Shaun Newman Podcast - #1141 - Jeremy MacKenzie

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

Jeremy MacKenzie, known online as Raging Dissident, is a Canadian Army veteran and podcaster. He enlisted in 2003, served as an infantryman with the Royal Canadian Regiment—including a deployment to Afghanistan—and left in 2017 as a master corporal. He hosts independent commentary on politics, culture, and national identity, and founded the online network Diagolon; he also took part in the 2022 Canada convoy protests against COVID-19 mandates. In 2024 he founded Second Sons, a men’s nationalist club of which he is president.Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Nor’East Apothecary - USE promo code SNP for 15% off your orderhttps://thepowerofplants.ca/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the John Newman podcast. I'm sitting with Jeremy McKenzie. You know, the first time, well, first, thanks for having me in. Of course. You know, welcome to the lair. You know, it's, yeah, I always, I'm appreciative when people allow me into their space.

Because, you know, not everybody, I don't know. I just know that this is probably your fortress of solitude in a world that hates Jeremy McKenzie. You know? Yeah. And so, no, I appreciate you having me in. The first time I ever talked to you was about a day before I left for the convoy. I was thinking about that on the way out here. You know, we sat down.

People have been sharing your videos with me in the middle of the insanity. and I reached out and we did a, you know, we did a podcast, but I hadn't released it yet. Or maybe it was actually the night I was leaving. It's right in that, but regardless, when I got on the trip, I released that episode, and we were already driving towards Ottawa. So to be here, you know, roughly four years later, four plus, you know, is, almost five this is coming winter. Yeah.

Yeah. A lot has happened. Yes, it has. In that short time. Well, I mean, the convoy happened. Yeah. And I appreciate you coming, too. And I appreciate you taking a time because, you know, it's not a lot of, as you said,

it's not a lot of people who are, a lot of people like to talk about me, but not very many will talk to me. Well, and from this standpoint, you know how many people have, be careful. I'm sure a lot of people have said a lot of things to you. You know, watch out. You know. Well, I don't know. Like, I'm like, oh, I don't think Jeremy McKenzie's going to abduct me.

That'd be a poor move. The other thing, not to mention, I just don't believe that. But the other thing was a lot of people think you're employed by the RCMP now. I actually, I don't know where a friend of mine sent me. It's a funny gag. I don't know how to implement it yet. But the last time I was in British Columbia, there's a merch store there that, like the RCMP has. Like, they have the merch store, I guess.

Okay. So he gave me a sweater just has RCP on it. So I wear it on the podcast sometimes. I just like to take the piss out of people now. It's funny. And they treat you really well at the airport when they think you're a cop with this mustache and the sunglasses. I've had multiple people go, are you still serving? I say, yes, yes, I am.

Thank you. Thank you for your service. I said, you're welcome as I'm going through security. But when I don't, they're terrible. But all of a sudden, they think you're a cop. Everybody's like, oh, well, in the airports and that kind of thing. but uh and i got a what do you send me a uh it's like a replica like long rcnp long service metal so he's like you should put it up like just hide it up there somewhere someday is like an easter egg

kind of thing so that might be fun uh yeah that where did that even begin uh the old the old fed jacketing uh tactic i think it started in in the 60s maybe um it was the fbi i think it was the I think the Black Panthers, I can't remember, but the whole idea was, you know, it's hard to infiltrate them and we can't really get a, you know, grip on it because they're, you know, there's like a black power group and how do you, if you're, somebody looks like me from the FBI, it's going to be pretty hard to get in there. So they started this sort of rumor mill mongering thing. And they ended up tearing each other apart and, you know, causing a lot of problems of just paranoia and suspicion. So it's a very effective way to, you know, kind of

throw like a corrosive agent into into a pool of you know something and you know if it's not pretty pretty tight people will eat each other up uh on that so that's part of it and i think uh i think they like it i think they like that people say that and and think that so they're not in a hurry to dispel that and it's almost kind of funny that i mean we're not do i'm not doing anything illegal but like i feel like they would give us a little more leeway because it's like we could arrest him but then then we then we can't keep pushing the fed stuff anyway so maybe just leave it alone. They haven't really bothered me since.

I think my last case was finished in 2024. And I do see them, more than I see them often, whenever anybody's in town. If it's the prime minister, if Pollyev's here, if like some random cabinet, like anything, anything's going on.

They'll be parked right down the end of the road here when you came in. They'll just be a... The cops will show up. They'll just sit there. And I would, Some days would be there and some days they wouldn't be there. And they would always look at us and sometimes they'd follow us and I would just couldn't make sense like why today?

Like what is going on? Are they and then in the news like oh, Christian Freeland was here and Polly of was here and so and so was here. It was like every time they send someone here they put the, they send a police to keep an eye on us in case we go to disrupt or. Do they like you leave the driveway if you want? Oh yeah. No, they don't like come into that. But they're just on the road like if I leave, they'll see me. You know.

And I kind of want to go down there next time if I notice they're there, she'll text me like, yeah, the point. police or I want to go out in my house coat and tank top and underwear like Tony soprano and do I look like I'm going anywhere can I get you want a coffee or what you know just take the day off boys I'm not I'm in my sweatpants nothing's happening today I'm too lazy to make make believe I'm not lying just you know take the day off go to something else well I wanted I wanted to go back to yeah sure I wanted to go back to the convoy start there because there is a lot like you say in in the time sense but we talk before the convoy then you're in Ottawa I'm in Ottawa a whole bunch of people are in

Ottawa and my days there and time after are murky I just compare notes if you would you know like your thoughts on Ottawa and what you saw there um I mean I was under a lot of just a lot of heat at the time yeah and I mean probably still but so I was fairly you know cognizant to that like I I wasn't in a hurry to get too involved in anything because I had just been arrested right before I went there. And they'd raided in my house and took all of my firearms and stuff, which they since have been able to get everything back. What did they raid your house for? Firearms suspicions of this and that. And then they took my firearms license and then charged me for not having a firearms license.

And then took all my rifles and then said, oh, these are all illegal and charge me with them. But they weren't. These are all illegal and that's illegal. not, but it's going to take you two, three years and a lot of money in court and time to eventually did, you know, dispel it all when it fell to nothing and disintegrated. I ended up getting my stuff back, but, you know, I remember the lawyer being like, oh, you should be happy. You know, you won. I'm like, did I win? I spent years in and out of this courtroom and a lot of money and time and reputational damage, which is the point. They say the punishment is the process

or the process is the punishment. So. And I assume you would agree with that. It's a punishment. Yeah. It's like there's no winning, you know, it's winning would be like, do you get $10 million at the end of this? Do you even get an apology? No, nothing. Just, oh, well, oops, see ya. And that's that. So it definitely left a bad taste amount.

I was actually a fan. Like, I actually tried. I wanted to join the police when I left the Army. That was kind of the plan. Because there's very few things you can do that your skill set will translate into uniform, chain of command, rules of engagement. Police and probably the prison system or something. Yeah, there's very few things that are pretty, if you're going to,

laterally move one to the other and uh yeah they they weren't interested in having me you know at all and then uh i had family who were you know career mounties and cops and stuff so it seemed like the thing to do it's something i kind of was interested in since i was a kid and then uh yeah that didn't work out and then kind of it kind of went the other way but um uh oh godua yeah i couldn't remember where i was going with that but uh yeah so they were i was you know and i had more arrests and stuff coming they were you know on top of me and they were surveilling us too so i was just kind of focusing on my own doing the podcast thing and just kind of being silly and taking the piss out of the government and um just having just having fun with just being a troll really um

and really have any plan or designs on anything uh derrick a friend of mine when we got to ottawa thought because uh like the first day everyone arrived there's like the big you know it's starting you know everybody was showing up downtown and We thought, if we go down, we might get arrested because it was seeming like that was sort of the environment. And then we thought about switching our phones with a couple of guys who were about the same build and size of us in our clothes. And we were going to hide. Across the street, there was a guy we knew who had a space up high. We were going to watch and see if anybody came to arrest us, which would have been funny because it was like Scooby-Doo.

Who does the switcheroo in real life? I was like, we could. That would be hilarious. And so we were just having fun. And it was basically a party. Like we were just kind of distra. A lot of people were meeting. meeting for the first time that had been coming together like you said from across the country in a

different situation so that was that was kind of fun and it was just yeah three weeks of just kind of a party like a real long like networking mixer kind of kind of event and uh we were staying in a couple of guys outside the city and uh an Airbnb that had been empty someone we knew was renting it and in between tenants and stuff no no he's like there's no furniture there's nothing but you can stay there there's heat and whatever it's like okay so we're sleeping on the floor and there's police surveil like everywhere like i am a spend a fair amount of time in the military i know what reconnaissance looks like and i know it and they're like clover leafing the property and they have vantage points and there's like i go out and there's like cigarette butts and coffee cups and the bushes like where we like

there's basically like i can see you like they would pull up at the end of the driveway and like there was all this you know nonsense going on and it came out later during the you know the evidence and stuff hearings they were oh yeah tapping everybody's phones and watch and following everybody and stuff, which was, you know, some, a lot of them, people were worried and concerned. Like, we're not, we're just drinking. We're not doing anything. So, you know, they can't arrest you for something that's not happening. But there was still the understanding that we were on the wrong side of, you know, what was happening because there was what the government wanted and we weren't on that side. So it doesn't, you know, people instinctively know that that's not,

they're not our friends, right? They're looking for reasons to get you. And so, There was a lot of, yeah, paranoia and still, a lot of people haven't recovered from that. Years of gaslighting and kind of just the atmosphere of those years. I like a lot of people, unfortunately, went crazy. You know, we'll say that, you know, about me probably, but like a lot of people just lost, you know, cheese has slid off the cracker entirely. And it's not really their fault. It's just, you know, who's built for that? It's years of gaslighting, abuse, anxiety every day on the news.

It's the end of the world. You're going to die. You got to, you know, you know, nobody can afford anything. Like, it just, the liquor stores were all open, but the gyms were all closed. Like, it was a recipe for a day. A lot of marriages fell apart. Like, it just people were, life is hard anyway. And then the pressure, it was like, here's an extra hundred pounds, everybody, carry this on your back.

And it's just a lot of people didn't make it. And it's not there going to be an announcement. But, like, I know people whose marriages fell apart, their lives felt, you know, their parents and children don't talk to each other. Lost their businesses, committed suicide. Like, there's a lot of wreckage. And, you know, that before and after the convoy, but that was kind of the, that was the folk, that was one of the most significant, I think, points of our entire national history. I think 100 years from now, it'll be able to go, maybe know exactly yet, but you'll know that that's when something, you know, there was definitely a schism or a split or something happened there. And I'm worried about that on the way home after it was over.

I was like, I hope that wasn't like a Viking funeral, you know, like that was the last hurrah. and then it's all going to be when when did you leave ottawa when was the final day you were there they so they called the emergency act and then attacked it beat everybody up um i think it was around valentine's day it was early february second week of february something like that i can't remember the exact date but it was um towards the like maybe three days two three days after that we kind of hung around it was like no some people just didn't want to go, look, what do you do? Like, there was no real plan. There were thousands and thousands of people just kind of camped out in the city. And then it was like, well, everybody just kind of went home.

It was like the police had broken up the biggest high school house party you've ever seen. And everyone was like, well, I guess, might as well just go home. And, you know, that's kind of what most people did. And Morgan and I actually went, because we couldn't, there was nowhere to get a hotel in the city. And we were like, well, we found one by the airport that all of the cops were in. everybody there was the entire the whole police force was seemingly in this hotel i saw warren kinsella was at this hotel and uh so we got a room there and a friend of mine came out to see us and he's like you do it you stayed in that hotel you're crazy i was like don't ever look for us here it's the last place they'll think we're at it's in the hotel we're in the pool having drinks in the pool

cops are coming and going all day long it was fun that's where we wrote the uh in that hotel was where we wrote a letter to the senate and all the umps and everything about you know their tried to say, we need the emergency act because we're being attacked by a militia. I know this is all crazy. So I took the time to craft this letter and sent it to them. But it was in that hotel. He came out and helped us do that and underneath where all the police were. Nobody ever stopped and chatted to you while you're there? No, no. Even though you've been under surveillance at your first place living on the floor. Yeah. But I think because I think that was the OPP and this was the RCP. Like, you know what I

mean there's different agencies and I don't know how well but uh well I mean and it wasn't it wasn't the whole time it was for like a few it was for the initial like few days I think they were satisfied like you know I was concerned there were some outbuildings there was other it was a big property and I was like they could be planting things like I don't I don't know I don't trust these guys I don't know what the hell is going on and they're saying crazy stuff on the news and trying to straighten it was hard not to have paranoia while you were there yeah and I've since learned that like you're not wrong. I mean, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. I've seen them do some pretty greasy things and they've done some pretty, I mean, just, I've watched

them lie and invent things and hide and bury evidence, like blatantly. And then we would catch them. And then a judge says, well, the police don't lie. So they're, anyway, moving on and they would just wave their hand and dismiss it like it was nothing. So, you know, it's like a fairly traumatic experience. If you, on the one hand, started out as somebody who was like, wants to to be of service to the country and the people. And so you see the military that way, the RCMP, the police. And then you find out like it's actually nothing like that at all. And it will turn its guns on you and it'll lie and ruin your life and attack your family.

Doesn't care at all. Like it doesn't matter what you did or didn't do or how many medals you got, they don't care. So yeah, it was very eye-opening. I got a very good crash course education and, you know, courts and law, what the police are all about and what they can be. if they're motivated politically. And it was nothing at the individual officers because like, you know, it's not there. They're not at home. Like, we got to get this guy.

Like they just show up like, I was in the army. I know how it is. This is what we're doing today, tomorrow, whatever. But the leadership, the assistant deputy director, commissioner of the RCMP, I have an email from her asking why I'm not in jail. Like, excuse me, you're the, you're the, you're the, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, basically the number two or three of the entire institution and you're taking a time out of your day to wonder what like don't you have bigger things to do number one and number two is that proper at all like should you even be taking an interest like what what reason is there other than political to be to be doing it I posted it on the you know it's all out there and no one's ever come to say no that's not true they just sidestep that and do what aboutism and point to this and point and try to find something else to you know attack you over it's you know so to say you know you know People say you work for the RCP.

There's a lot of evidence to say that that's definitely not the case. They spent an insane amount of money to come after me and attack me. They gave me 23 charges in five cases and three provinces simultaneously. 15 years in prison they wanted. I was in solitary confinement for weeks with the lights on. No bathroom. You got to ask to go to the bath, you know. This was all just to trick people into buying some T-shirts.

Like I don't get the, you know. What did, um, walk me? Because, like, walk me through that experience, if you don't mind, right? You're talking about solitary, confinement, lights on, everything. And, you know, you can read through the charges, right? Yeah. Which I've done with, my wife was asking about you, right? My wife has no, like at times, absolutely love my wife.

But at times, it's almost probably better she doesn't know what the heck I'm talking to and who I'm talking to. So I was trying to explain you, which was. Good luck. Yeah, right? I can't explain me. So good time. And then I'm like, but I'm listening off all the charges. And she's like, okay.

And I'm like, but all these charges are dismissed now, right? Like they made... Not one of them even went to trial. Like they all tapped out before it didn't even get through pretrial. I think nothing. They just... Once I had a good lawyer, which I was like, if I can get a good lawyer who's not an idiot, who can see what is happening and just does the work.

Was that a hard process? I was very lucky because a friend of mine was actually Kareem Assad connected me with a guy who was at a Sharif photo who did... He was at the Emergency Act inquiry. Okay. And represented me there. And during the kind of interrogation they had set up there. And he was excellent.

The, the, when you're testifying in the prison garb. Yeah. I was in a suit, actually, suit and tie. Because I knew that's what they wanted. So I was like, I asked for everything. It was like, mail me a suit. I just mean like. In the cell and everything.

That's what I meant. Sorry. Right? Like, that was, for me, sitting there watching that. I was like, this hits almost a little too close to home. Because I mean, almost everybody, not everybody, but majority of the people who testified, I've interviewed all of them. I interviewed all of them through COVID.

I'm like, this is pretty wild to watch. And then to see you sitting where you were sitting while you testified, it was like, you know, but you're the guy living it. It was a little surreal, I guess. but I mean, I'm lucky in a sense that I did spend as much time in the military as I had because I don't think I would have survived otherwise. When you're like a fairly stressful, like there's consequences. Like if you make a mistake, it's not, oh, better not like next time, like your life's over.

Like you could be in jail forever. If you say the wrong thing, you do the wrong thing. Like there's people in here are trying to kill you. Like that was real. And so you just go back to mission mode. survive the end of the day, like get it done, get this done, and don't think about it too much. And then worry about it later. Once you get home, like when the deployment's over, you get home, then you can unwind and

processing, oh my God. But when you're in, you're in the pocket, like, you just, it's meal time to meal, lunch to lunch to supper, supper to breakfast, and then just, you know, one thing after the other. But, yeah, that's part of like POWS training, actually. Like, you want to maintain your dignity as much as possible for your own mental estate and also your captors and stuff that you are. a person with dignity and self-respect and these kinds of, they're more likely to treat you, you know, better and perceive you that way. And they want me to be on TV and look all disheveled

and, you know, like, so I shaved my beard off and tried to, you know, as much as I could tidy myself up and I was like, can I have some clothes mailed? I was like, I'm going to be on national television and I'm not convicted. I'm on remand. I'm on allegations, which worked, you know, later were proven not to be true. Can I at least have some clothes to look like I'm a veteran also. And it was around Remembrance Day. I was like, you know, and they were like, we're not supposed to let you have a poppy because it's got a pin on it.

I was like, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to take over the prison and kill everybody with a pin. Like, all right, fine, we'll let you have it. We're not supposed to. But I was like, well, that's a nice gesture. They let me have a poppy to wear, even though I was. Or no, did I wear it? I can't remember. I think so.

I remember there was a back and forth about it. While you're in solitary. Yeah, the first couple of weeks I was there. And then a couple of punishments. they give you for disobedience. They would, they, uh, they, uh, take COVID tests. And I was like, I'm not, no. Like, well, if you don't take it, you got to go to solitary for a week.

So, okay, put me in there. And they did. Solentary of a week for not taking a COVID test. Yeah. After all the mandates, I mean, they weren't all off, but certainly in provinces they were. Yeah, it would have been the end of 2022 in Saskatchew. So, yeah, November. Yeah, by that time, everything's come off.

Yeah. Yeah, they still were doing all that stuff. And the other inmates were, they were, it was funny because they, like, were shocked and couldn't, like, it was a whole big, you know, not a riot took place, but it was like a commotion, because it's, there's a lot of happens in the run of a day. It's the same thing every day. It's very good. So anything, I was like, I'm not doing it. And then the guards had to come and the whole thing. And then they were like, all right, fine.

We're putting you in the, you know, you go back to solitary for a week. And then the other, the guys were like, I didn't know you could say no. Like, you could just say no. I didn't know you could do that. I was like, yeah, you don't have to do this. So, yeah, it was actually kind of, it was a weird experience. You know, if I'd known ahead of time, it's like, you're just, that's the worst part. They call it dead time.

You don't know how long you're going to be in there? I think it could be a week. It could be 10 years. No idea. That's kind of hard on the head. It's better if you know. It's like three months and then you're out. Yeah, well, okay.

Yeah, at any point when you have an end date to anything, you can focus on that. But when you don't know, the unknown, now you're adrift because you're like, like you say, you know, is it going to be 20 days? Yeah. It's going to be 200 days. Young kids at home. And Pat King had already, that was on my mind, because he'd been in for months and months already on, you know.

And it's like, regardless of what you're like, I'm not friends with a guy, I don't talk, you know what I mean, doesn't matter what you think about him. What they did to him was ridiculous. Yeah. Like for what he did, allegedly, and what he was punished with. And the same with Litch and Barber and the rest of them.

Like, that's just obviously very heavy-handed and, like, petty. You know, it's like a bully beating, up a small kid. It's like he has no chance of even hurting you and you're there just like, I'll show you how tough I am. Like you're doing the opposite actually. Showing everybody how much of a jerk you are and a coward. Like you're just beating up. Oh, is that impressive? Look at me. I can put a grandmother in jail for months and months for what. You know, we've got like there's actual terrorists running around in the country. I mean, I could go through a laundry list of things that are better use of our resources and time that people should be focused on.

for as far as safety is concerned. These people are so concerned about safety all the time. And the line share of the attention goes to, you know, situations like that. And it's because I think they're inept and they're incompetent. And they can't and don't know what to do about a lot of these problems. Corruption could be a factor. But so they just beat up like a bully does, beat up on somebody who can't do anything about it. It's like, I can't fix my life, whatever my problems are at home with my abusive stepfather or something.

I'm just going to beat up these kids at school and take it out on them. And that's kind of what, you know, is going on. So we can't do anything about the Bishnoi gang or the Muslim gangs or the Indian gangs. But these people protest, these six people with a sign on the side of the road will ruin their lives. And, you know, it's just really, like, it really betrays what kind of character and attitude of like the spirit of the institution that it would do that. It's just a gross use of resources on the one hand. It's very, it makes us look disgusting as a country. I mean, that's, we used to go to war with people that, I mean, would do these things.

That's what they would tell us, you know. We grew up on the whole Saddam Hussein and all these, oh, they're dictators and they do these horrible things. And now you've got, you know, in the UK, they've got 65,000 people in jail for Facebook posts, social media posts, 65,000 arrests and charges for internet posts in the United Kingdom, you know, not an alternate universe where, you know, now, today. And Canada's doing the hold by beer. We're going to do even, we're going to be even more safe.

We're going to have extra safety. We're going to have pre-crime, thought crime safety. We're going to make it illegal to criticize politicians. It sounds like they want to do next year or something because it's, what did he say, undermines the political stability or something. You know what I mean? The verbiage that they use is very like, okay, what does that mean? That can mean a lot of things depending on who's saying it.

And that's how they write everything. So that's something else I learned over the years doing this, is that I thought Canada was a certain way, and that there's, you know, you've got Charter of Rights and Bill of Rights over there. But that only goes as far as they don't like it. And in which case, there's actually really fine print in subsection A in parentheses here. And essentially, they can do whatever they want anytime they want to whoever they want, and you don't really have any rights.

It's all just kind of, it's like Santa Claus for rich kids. It's like, you know, it's a fantasy we let you have until, you know, it's inconvenient and then it's, you know, not real. But it doesn't apply to 99% of people, so they don't care. And I think, oh, we live in a free country. I'm like, as soon as you want to do something you're not allowed to, you'll find out. But as long as you're doing everything they want you to do. You've had, so you've gone to prison or remand. Oh, yeah.

And prison's better, I've been told. You can wear your own clothes. You can get outside more. You get TVs. Yeah. The guys want to go to prison. They were like, accept things like, I want to get out of your. Jail's the worst because it's terrible in there.

It's like, great. So I don't even get the good part of, you know. Well, actually, I'm going to go back to solitary confinement for a second. You know, most people don't spend time alone and think through their thoughts. Now, that's an extreme way of going about it. But, you know, you had plenty of time to contemplate everything you've done to that point. What went through your mind? during solitary.

Like, were you losing your mind or were you starting to, like, walk back through some things? Because, you know, like, you just mentioned, like, when you're in remand, you know, you're constantly vigilant to make sure something doesn't happen between breakfast to lunch and lunch to supper,

and then, you know, you kind of repeat the day over and over again. You're constantly vigilant. And they were pumping in, I mean, it's local, you only get the local newspaper and the local news and stuff in the jails. And guess what was in the news? newspaper and on the TV, it's every day.

All, you know, super racist, neo-Nazi, probably a rapist, all of this stuff. And they just, they were looking for excuses to hurt people in there. So I had, you know, there's two, you know, pretty dicey situations where I got away with that a scratch, luckily, you know, not that I'm a super, I'm not John Wick or anything, but there's more, you know, luck and timing than anything. But there was a couple, like, sincere, like murder attempts. And they had to move me. Could you, do you mind sharing?

Yeah. So, you know, they're putting the stuff in the paper and the anti-hate people and they just riling people up. And they see it on the TV. I remember I was, uh, have like kind of like a makeshift gym. It had like water jugs with like a broom handle that they taped it. We're like, so we're doing, you know, whatever. And there's a kind of a mess area, like a common area sort of with some glass and there's a TV. It's like the TV room.

And they're all in there. And I can see the news is on. And I'm just, I can see me on the TV. And then they all just start. doing that. I was like, uh-oh. It wasn't too long after. That night they tried to come at me while I was literally laying in my bed.

I'm not a religious guy, but I was, you know, why not? There's something to do. I'll read the Bible while I'm in jail. That's what people do. And then all the heads just started, you know, coming around the bed. I was like, yeah, can I help you? And then the fight began. I just, just be as violent as possible, as quickly as possible,

to just cross his, that's really your only chance to try. to like break the ambush essentially is what it is and then I was you know able to kind of scramble out of that and shove their guy hit another guy and then they were quick the correctional officers the COs they called them were pretty quick on the draw on that one so that was good and then another one I would just so happen to I think they told me I had a phone call the lawyers would call to jail and then tell them to tell me to call them kind of this play your telephone game yep so I said okay I'll call them we're supposed to go out for yard time at that morning like every block or every has its different 10 or like 45 minute block or something so ours was whatever

time that day in the morning and i was like i was going to stay on the phone this time and uh they all went out and there was one guy his name was lenny uh who came back in while i was still the phone and he was like pale i talked to him like the day before you know just kind of uh what are you doing how did you get here and you know and he was like you got you got to go you got out of here i was like what why what now, you know, he's like, they're coming to, like, kill you. It's like, who's coming to kill? I was just mad and frustrated. But also, like, looking at his face, like, oh, there's real fear.

Like, this guy's, he's serious. It's not a, you know, so I was like, oh, great, this is another thing. And they all file in, and the whole thing's, they're all just quiet. It's a big dormitory. It wasn't like cells in this range I was on. It's all just quiet, like bunk beds in a big kind of, you know, almost like a U-shape. And then there's, like, the bubble where the COs are. and then there's like the phones and the eating area and stuff.

I just kind of came out and walked. And again, it's like, you can't really turn your back or anything. And there's cameras in here. So you're kind of safe. But apparently the plan was to get me out in the yard there. It's a big baseball field, basically, with chain link fencing. And it's far enough that if anybody, you know, you'd be dead before they even realize. It's a far way to run and get out, you know, it would be a good spot to get somebody.

And like on the inside, who are the guy? Like, is it just the fear mongering coming from the media on who you are? Well, was it more... There was, again, I'm on the phone with people here in a home, and there's like Antifa and people were trying to, like he's in this jail somewhere, he's probably on this range or that range. And there's, that's what we're doing openly on social media,

trying to organize my murder. And again, to their credit, there was a couple of guys in the jail who I think were retired. I can't remember what they said. They either were law enforcement or used to be or something like that. But they basically were like, didn't work there. And their job was kind of like prison security, like looking for stuff like that, anything, you know, going on. And they're like basically listening to all the phone calls and keeping an eye.

And they're like, we don't think anything. Like they pulled me out one day and we're like, so these guys try to kill you. Like, we'll keep an eye on it. Like, okay. I mean, there's not, if they see something in the news and come after me, what are you going to do? So there was that sort of outside influence from these, you know, psychos. but also you've got basically there's kind of two kinds of the inmates and I got along fairly well with the older guys my age the first range that put me on role like like murderers and lifetime gang

members and all these guys they were all very chill like and it's you know they know they know the score like there's no they don't care they're like you're here I'm here you know whatever they're just doing their time and getting out but the younger guys 20 22 you know they're trying to make a name for themselves they don't get you know they see this on TV is like oh I'll stab this guy and then I'll be super popular, right? So that was, you know, the younger guys were, be careful around them, and then the older guys didn't, they didn't care. They thought it was funny. They just laughed. Is this you in the paper? Like, yeah. Actually, there was a guy, oh man, what was his name? Oh, no. He was kind of the one guy. He was like sweeping and cleaning up the range at the end of

the day. This was like in the solitary area. So there were sales there initially the first place put me in and I got denied bail but they all was like oh no you'll get bail you're a white guy they'll always and I said no no you don't understand this is like you don't you don't get it and like oh no you'll be fine you'll be fine okay and sure enough denied bail there was a woman who stabbed another woman in the neck downtown Saskatoon and was murdered her she got bail after me I was denied bail right the same judge I think same day I was you know so I was sitting there and I'm sitting my bed just you know and he's he's coming by and sweeping and he comes and looks in the glass and look at him and goes hey no you're a real indian walks away i was like they like i got along

with a lot of them afterwards you know but yeah some of them were suspicious and thought i was like undercover there too they're like what do you do you do you don't have any tattoos and all this like no there's a tv show they'd watch in there called like 90 days in or something it's like an American jail show or they send somebody in undercover to try and they're at I'm like guys like no like this is Canada we're poor we don't even have the resources to do these guys of things and like no I'm not on a secret TV show trying to bust up your ecstasy ring that you do and whatever you're doing I don't care man I have no interest I'm just trying to get I'm just trying to survive this place but yeah it was a crazy ecosystem but yeah it was mostly and then reputation too because

if they think there's a guy on your range who's like a rapist or some kind of like you You have to deal with him or else it's your reputation kind of thing. So there was a couple of those. Everything's fine until it's not. They read something in the paper or see something on TV. The next thing you know, you're... There'd be evidence like one guy had hung himself or maybe. I don't know.

There was a death there recently. And then you'd be kind of like the shower area. There's like, oh, there's a razor blade just hidden inside this in the tile right there. You know, it's like if I put... somebody put that there. So in the event of a scramble, like you know where you've got a razor blade hidden and you can, you know, use that. So things like that, you know, little signs and things around that like this is not the safest place you're in. And people say, oh, you'll be fine. You'll be safe in jail. No, you're not safe in jail. It's very much the jungle. And it's not like a super concern. It's basically, we'll do our best to keep everybody alive.

But, you know, it's going to happen statistically. And that's just kind of how it is. So it's doubted having your kind of freedom taken away, especially for something that didn't happen. And you don't know how long you're going to be in there. Like, it would have been better if I had been a criminal and known how, you know what I mean? It's like, ah, I got caught, you know, stealing cars or whatever it was. I'm going to get five years. And I deserve it, you know. But so it was interesting.

Like, so I did feel like I did deserve it. But at the same time, not for the reasons that they said. What do you mean? So I had a lot of charges and a lot of these things that, you know, they came after me for all this stuff. And that was all, you know, nonsense and bullshit. But to me, I felt like I deserved it in a lot of ways. Just like carmically. It felt that way.

It felt kind of personal in a strange way. That it was like, though you're not being punished for what they say, but you're being punished for a different reason. And you know why. you know, just life things. I'd done some shitty things to some people and I wasn't super proud or happy of how like, you know, the relationship with my, my ex-wife had ended and just how I'd been living, you know, for a few years and, you know, it was, it was like a corrective sort of, you know, it felt like that. So in a way, it wasn't like I was minding my, it wasn't like I was a perfect angel of a person, right? I wasn't committing crimes, I wasn't doing any

things they said they were doing. But to me internally, I knew I was kind of living in a way that was not, it's not who I should be or was. And I felt like I was accruing a debt that was going to have to be paid at some point. And there was definitely a moment there. I'm sitting in solitary going like, I can, I can whine and go, I shouldn't be in here. But I felt like another part of me, you know, could go on, could go on and go, are you sure? You don't deserve anything bad to happened to you at all. Well, yeah, that's true. So. Yeah, when you talk about, you know, somewhere, you know, like not for what they charge you to with, but part of you, people get divorced. Yeah. Yeah. I know. But yeah, we're all human and stuff. And I'm pretty bad for beating myself up,

like, I was just saying to somebody the other day because I have this reputation. Like, he's so, oh, he's awful. He's so, you know, vicious. And, you know, I'm pretty critical and chop up politicians and people and so on. But when I'm not doing that online, you know, that guy is in here attacking me every minute of the day forever and it sucks um so i ruminate on things and beat myself up over things i mean i didn't kill anybody it wasn't you know anything yeah yeah yeah just you know things i had done i wasn't proud of and wish i you know handled differently or you know and i just felt like i wasn't i i not been punitive i'd gotten away with it i guess you know i'd like screwed this person over or whatever and nothing bad happened to me when i feel like

maybe I should deserve to have something bad happen to me. And this happened a few times. And then so finally, I felt like, okay. And I was kind of being a knucklehead. I was drinking a lot and just being, saying crazy things. And it was like, you know, there's legitimate grievances and, you know, the activism, the entertainment and stuff. But there was also an edge to it that was a little out of control and just, you know. Well, the last time I talked to you was right after the video of you talking about raping Pierre's wife. Yeah. And I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, saying like I was expecting like I don't know you've had lots of time to think on that I was like you know getting having drinks with your buddies and saying off the color things you know in certain

circumstances that's just what people do to film it and then to put it out there yeah well I didn't film it well be fair but my dad made a comment about it it was it was very much that it was like a three in the morning Morgan had just been arrested for an imaginary gas theft that didn't take place and she spent four days in solitary and Burnside with a fake witness that never existed like to this day we don't even know what the hell it was about so you know that had happened I was you know stressed out again it's not an excuse but I'm just you're walking through and I'm I was up all it was like three in the morning I've been drinking all night at that point and I'm just kind of like

hanging out with the guys became a public thing sort of so it was like you know my dad it's like if you're outside the tavern at any time you know and recording people say People say all kinds of crazy stuff. Like, we're just trying to get a laugh out of each other. We're trying to, you know, it's not meant to go on television. But there's people spying and recording and, you know. And it was never, you know, meant to be in that kind of a context. But that's sort of what I mean.

Like, you know, again, a lot of time in the Army and just in a different sort of niche pocket of life that most people are not accustomed to or aware of at all. And then you leave there and come back and just, you know, or like this. And you know, well, I'm just being me. And that's just not how the world works. and people are not okay with that. You know what I mean? They're going to freak out. So it was like I need,

there was a, there was a bit of a corrective sort of smack from the universe. It felt like in a number of ways. Like that's a good example of what I mean. Like I was just kind of a reckless, you know, uh, person in a lot of ways and more so because I didn't appreciate

and realize how many people were actually listening to anything I was saying or doing and taking any. Well, I, um, prior to the convoy, I got sent. It's,

it's, It just started happening, I don't know, two months before, 30 days before. I used to get a text every time you had a video from somebody else in the audience. You became a lightning rod for people, a different way, right? Because I'm, I think, a pretty calm at times way. I let other people talk and I just, you know, and I want to hear what their thoughts are. you were an avenue of like, I'm angry. And this is frustrating.

And people needed that. And so you had a ton of people, a ton, watching you. And they wanted you to be the angry guy who still walked the straight line. Yeah, it's hard to do. And then, you know, you go to prison or jail, sorry, you know. I always screw up that too. And then the rape. Doesn't feel any different, yeah.

You know, and then there was probably. probably other comments and for a lot of people because like I was talking to a guy before I came here and I was like not not like today sorry on the trip yeah not today and I was like well the only guy I knew once upon a time Nova Scotia is the raging dissident I should probably go sit with them the entire world tells me I shouldn't and he's like they're insane they're all triple vaccinated you should probably go sit with them and like there's people who still wonder what has become a Jeremy, you know, and what has happened to his life. I'm still here.

You know? Because if you go online and were to search your name, you, you, like, I don't know how far you'd have to go look. I don't even know if you can to find something that is a positive. Not much. No. There was a few people who did go to bat for me. Tammy Robert was one, a Saskatchewan.

There's been a few, but not a ton. And it's just easier. it's easier to just go with the grain and, you know, do what everybody wants to do. But, yeah, I had a thought there and they lost it. What were we just saying about, well, that people didn't want me to come. No, I shouldn't. Oh, the line thing, because it's, yeah, my dad is, there's not really, it's not like there's a formal, you got to put on a costume and then go on a stage and then you're done and then you get changed

and then you go home. Like, there's not a clear separation of like, we're just hanging out and now it's entertainment and now it's serious it's all just kind of one thing and it's like you can't talk to everybody and a specific person at the same time like it's difficult when you just have the cameras like this and it's like there could be 5,000 people listening to this and there's always people that take some kind of issue with something I say they're convinced I'm talking about them personally yeah like that's in I can think of a caricature or like a you know, it's sort of a situation, but you don't have the ability to kind of manage your,

not persona, but like how I'm going to behave and speak to you as a man is going to be different than I am with my children or with Morgan or with my own father. So it's not you're a different person. It's just there's different speeds for, you know, depending on where you're at. Yep. And when there's people not in the conversation watching from else, like it's not for them. I was offended by. I was like, well, I wasn't in your kitchen.

and having tea with you and then say to, hey, we should go rape some people. That wasn't what I mean. That wasn't what happened. Like my dad said, like if you'd gone down to the tavern and just, you know, you're going to all kinds of stuff that's, you know, it's not the same thing as if you're in a circle of people and engage in a conversation and then, you know, it's different if you're coming from outside and picking things up. So it's very difficult.

I can see why a lot of people don't do it and don't do it for very long because it's very unforgiving and people don't you know they don't care they're just especially the internet's a pretty brutal pretty ruthless place so you better have a thick skin that even be on there um yeah it's it's tough and yeah they want you to do you know do the do the angry thing and say the stuff that i want but also never get trouble but also this and also that like it's you know it's impossible you can't make everybody happy either i think there's an old bill cosby quote McQuistence Wow

God damn it I just remember it because I put it in a high school year book like in 2004 when I got a high school is the secret to you say I don't know what the secret of happiness is but the secret to unhappiness is trying to please everybody

and you can't make everybody happy somebody's always going to be upset so don't even don't even try to make everybody happy just do what you got to do and do your best but you know when you look back at the rape comment

though do you regret that I mean, in the sense that, like, I shouldn't have, it should have, it should, I should have been on the internet at all. Like, that's just, you shouldn't be drunk. Like, that's just asking for trouble, you know, and you, who sees video or sees himself when they're, you know, hammered and, and it's like, great job, me. You're just like, good Lord. It's fun when you're in your 20s. It's kind of funny. Like, oh, you know, Billy puked and fell down the stairs and woke up with no pants and you know, ah, but now, like, your 40-year-old man is like, that's humiliating. That's, you know, Oh, my God, you don't want to be doing that.

You, uh... And to this, you know, the point, like, if I'm just, if there's a few guys hanging around and if it's the off-color kind of humor, and I think they might get a laugh out of it, I'll say it. I'm just going to say things that I think, even if it's, like, kind of a shock, like, you know, I just can't help it. If I, if I see it, I'm going to, you know, like maybe people are like that at, you know, sports or something.

Like, if there's a shot, they're going to take it. It just, it's there for me. I'm going to go for it. Well, the guy, a comedian that comes to mind is Ben Ben Ben Ben Bannakis. in Canada right now. Bankus? Bankus. Sorry, Bankus.

He doesn't like me very much, I don't think. Really? Yeah, probably. I've never talked to him. I've heard, anyway. Well, you watch his stuff, right? And he steps over lines all the time. I'm not super familiar.

I know he does a pretty funny, like his Olivia Chow character is pretty funny. Or the Chinese one that he does. But again, it's like if you're on a stage, people understand that when they go to watch a you know, a performance, it's like, well, that was in a theater or that was in a, you know, um, where's the line if it's, if it's just, you know, you in your basement with a camera and there's

no feedback. You can't hear if people are laughing or if they're, you're just like, it's like, oh, there are some emojis. And it's like, oh, there's some people. Okay, there's 20 people in a comment box saying whatever often to each other or to no one. Like it's, you know, it's not even really worth looking at reading a lot of the time. And then there could be, thousands of people listening at the same time. So it's like, that's not an accurate way to judge how it's being perceived at all. It's really just, you know, you'll find out later, I guess. So it's hard to, it's not, especially if you're live, which I've done, we did the tour, it's a lot easier to like back and forth. It's like, okay, they think that's funny. They like this.

I can lean more this way. Or like, well, that's not going anywhere. I'm going to get out of this area and maybe try this or try something else over here. It's just blackness. So you're all, it's all, I find out just, if I think it's, if I think it's, funny or if I'm having fun generally somebody else probably will and then you know try not to go to jail and they're trying to always make everything less and less when you were uh in jail you mentioned reading the bible and what you're not you mentioned the word religious i've heard that word twice now in like two days and i'm like well i don't know if i would consider myself religious but i have faith i believe in god i believe in jesus christ i believe those things yeah but you know when you

read the Bible, did that not, I don't know, you had time to sit there and contemplate the words on it and everything else for a lot of people. You know, I've talked to different people who've gone into remand and that was a real thing to lean on and they've come out different that way. It's good that they'd still do that and I can see why it's popular, why it's sustained itself all this time. You know, it's a reason it's still around. There's a lot of real wisdom in there and a lot of interesting ideas. And I just, I've always been. sort of a, I want to say a free spirit kind of guy, but I kind of do my, I'm very hesitant to really commit to something that enormous.

Sure. So I don't know, you know, for sure, but I've got a lot of friends who are Christians and a lot of them are really excellent people and our belief systems are not, like what they think is terrible, I think is terrible and what they want, I, like, we're very close, you know. So spiritually, I mean, we're pretty much on the, we're on the same page with most things. So I just, I don't like to get caught up in the institutions and the, the rule. Wherever there's a lot of guys making rules doing things, I'm kind of, you know. Take a step back.

You know, if it's like a business, it's one thing. But it's like, why do you have the authority to do this? Oh, well, God told me I could. I'm like, well, all right, I'm out. I don't think, I don't think anybody has a, like an extra connection that like, oh, no, I have a secret frequency. You don't have. I'll talk to God for you and I'll let you know how that.

That's bullshit. Like, that's everybody can, I think, look, inward and find something. I think we're made that way. And other people have found ways to take advantage of that and monopolize it. And so it's just like anything else, it's like 10% of it it is probably great. And the other 90% of people are lying and stealing and trying to make money off of it. It's like out of the art, like everything. It's like there's a minority of people doing a lot of the good hard work and then a lot of the rest of them are just riding on their backs and, you know, but I'm not, I'm not a religious.

person like I'm into that but I definitely like the spiritual aspect of at the end of it has driven mostly everything I've done I think oh it's just you know these feelings of like right and wrong and where does that come from why would we have it at all because it's not good for you you know to do the things I've done like this isn't beneficial to me so it's not like an evolution thing where it's like oh well if you just challenge it well it's going to destroy your reputation and you're not going to, I can't have a bank account. I can't, I can't even rent an Airbnb. I'm like banned from everything. I can't, I can't use the Maple app. I can't, you know, I can't do basically anything. So it's not like do, you know, pursuing what you think is the right thing to do

is going to bring you like the opposite's true. So that can't be, it's not biology. It's, you know, it's not like, well, if I do these things, I'll have better mating prospects and I'll have better access to food and shelter, you know, things that make sense. But people will do things that are in, you know in the bible and jesus like destroyed got him killed why you know because there's an internal there's there's something there that's real that drives people over the like into death which that's that's very compelling powerful that's one of the most powerful things that there is is to you know put your life on the line and for other people um when there's no guarantee or you know promise of anything it's just we hope you know we don't know so but you just have

this, and it's very powerful. It's like, I have to. I can't live with myself if I ignore this. You know, if I feel like something I need to do or say or not, whatever it is, and I hide from it and cower away from it, like it, you feel weaker. You kind of power down because you came up against that friction point and hid from it and you just become smaller. And I found that as life goes on, the more you do that, the smaller you get. And then the opposite's true. You do the opposite, they'll hit you, it'll hurt, but you'll get stronger for it on the other side of it. But also, I've always, you know, I think about these things all the time, like, where does that come from? Like, what is, where's, you know, it's just, it's in the, it's in the spirit and it's in the, you know,

the life essence of people. And what really, you know, what really, uh, pulls me into thinking about it is actually the people that I'm very opposed to, uh, have made me this way. Because they're basically the opposite. Everything, when you look at it, it's all anti-life. They're very anti-health. Like, they don't like, you know, it's not like there's anything wrong with you if you're not a beautiful person. But we used to have a, we would have statues carved of like, like, wow, like something to look up to and strive for. Like, I could try to be, like when I was a kid in the 80s, everybody, you know, there was like Arnold and Stallone, you know, everywhere. And now it's like, oh, no, no, we have Ed Shearren, you know, you know what I mean? It's like, what happened? Where do men go?

You know, the women are all, you know, hard. Like, what's going on here? Like, they don't like health. They don't like families. They don't like anything that just good and wholesome and, you know, would have been like, you know, in the 50s. It's like, oh, that's bad now. It's all actually. We actually, we need to, we need to abort as many babies as possible.

And when that's not enough, we need to get rid of the old people. We need to have made. We need to put people in death chambers. And we need to harvest their organs. We need to, we've sacrificed. 80, 90,000 people now this way, 60, 65,000 we lost in World War II. The government has killed more of its own citizens than World War II and World War I almost combined now. Speech, put these people in jail for talking. Like, if I'm, someone's the need to express themselves

is, like, that's part of their spirit. They can't be themselves if they can't. If they feel a certain way, they braw beat us over the head. heads with you. You have to be tolerant and inclusive and accept people for who they are and all these. Except if you're that or this or that or you better not be those things that will put you in jail, you know, or it's justified killing you. Well, it was good. They should have killed Charlie Kirk because he said, blah, blah, and it just, whatever angle you look at it, the pharmaceutical companies, we're here to help you. No, you're killing people. You're getting them addicted to heroin. Oh, it's safe supply. It's helping them. You're killing these people. And if you just take a step back and I just

Because it started with one issue. For me, it started with the war stuff because I was in the military. And I had problems with like, what is really going on here, man? This is wrong. A lot of this stuff is wrong. And I told me it was like a spider web. Wherever you start from, if it's a pharmaceutical, if it's the health industry, it's the entertainment industry, it's banking, wherever it is. You're going to see something that's like a thread to pull. And it starts going in a dark direction. You're like, this is just nasty. Like there's a nastiness to the spirit that's animating. the people themselves, almost like it's not even them doing it. It's working through them and having these sort of things play out, all these different, and if you, wherever you just pull the thread and they all come down to the same sort of place, you know, if it was the

military, if it was the pharmaceutical, whatever it is. And they all meet somewhere in the center and you step back and see, like there is like a force of just nastiness that is trying to destroy everything, everywhere. And it seems to just be getting more and more powerful as time goes on and it's more obvious and more coherent. Like it wasn't 10 years ago where people would pretend. They say, oh no, we're all about love and tolerance and we just can't have. Now they're like openly campaigning for mine and other people to be killed and sloth. That was the bad guys, like 10 minutes ago. And all of a sudden, you guys are embracing it and encouraging it. And we need to pass speech laws and we need to, you know, punish people. We need to make it illegal

if we don't like it. And we need to put, whoa, that was always, you know, the bad guys. And it's just everywhere and because it's so common and pervasive, everybody just kind of lets it happen. What we did to our own citizens through COVID. The police did that to their own guys, I like to remind them. Oh, we're upholding the lot. You rolled over on, how many of your own guys said, this is wrong, we shouldn't be doing this. They just chop them all up and threw them to the dogs. Oh, well, same in the military. Like, this isn't what we signed up to do. This is wrong. Nope, fired, fired, fire, fire, fire. So now we have just yes men everywhere. That's great. Let's have yes. yes, men in the medical industry, yes, men in the military, yes, men in the police, yes,

men in the education, entire education industry, yes, men in the media, everybody's just a yes man, because saying no, get your throat cut. What is that? Is that love and taught, is that God? Is that a loving father and a bened? Is that family and understanding and let's, you know, life is hard and it's harder if you're by yourself. It's a team sport. And it's like, no, no, you're going to do what we want. And if you don't, we're going to crush you. So it just, it all came to, basically, what I'm trying to say is at the bottom of this, when you get to the bottom, it's not so much an ideal, there is ideology components of it. There's political elements of it.

There's, you know, religious elements of it, there's racial elements. There's all these different things. But at the bottom is like, there's something awful that is just trying to just tear down and destroy and kill. And like, it's all the spiritual. It's not just because, oh, everybody just wants an extra piece of pumpkin pie. Like, it's more than that. There's like some sort of animating force of just wants to just destroy everything. And then to go against that is going to hurt you.

But it's the right thing to do. So when you think about the Bible and that whole story, like, that is a mirror image of just the world we're in. So it struck me when I read that, I was like, man, that's, and not to say that I'm or anyone else is Jesus, but like that is the story. in a nutshell, like, the world's, you know, kind of a nasty place, and you can take a side, and maybe you should, but if you do, like, you're going to, they're going to come after you. They're going to hurt you for it. And that's kind of how you know you're on the right team, which is kind of messed up, because if you're like, I am making tons of money, I'm super popular, everything's going my way.

I've been out of a single problem. That's probably a red flag, you know? Maybe you're, maybe you have Epstein in your phone. I don't know. But, like, no good people. I really like good people I've ever known and I've been lucky to grow up with a lot and my family's been great and they don't have a good time and they're just like surviving in spite of it and trying to keep you know on this keep it together and keep everybody you know together

and protect them and stuff and it's just there's no reward for being the good guy you know it's not like there's money in it for you there's no you're not going to get any of that you're going to get crucified you know to one degree another you might get a bad media article They might shoot you in the neck while you're trying to talk to people at a college campus about why it's important to have conversations because otherwise it just devolves into jungle violence and anywhere in between. So yeah, when I step back and look at it, it's like that's what this is. It's a spiritual thing one way and the other. And it cuts through the heart of every issue, whatever it is. If it's the abortion thing, the maid thing, the polity, whatever it is.

there is someone there who hates everything hates the country hates but i just want to destroy things and then there's people who are trying to stop that and uh the rest is just kind of cosmetic really but i just try to use that as the lens and then everything just kind of made sense when you go down the spiritual thought process right yeah and there's a benevolent force yeah you do you put a name to that or you just call it that i mean i think that would be God, I guess, you know? Like, nature is a good example. I mean, I didn't create you. None of us did. It's just here. And it's like, why does it, why does a beautiful landscape look the way when it's healthy, when it's clean, when it's, you know, it's wonderful. Look at that. Isn't that great?

You know, that's a good feeling. And when people are healthy, it's again, like why I'm, I'm, you know, pretty hard on fat people. But it's kind of a get, it's kind of, and again, it's like, am I trying to be entertaining? High calorie human beings? Yeah. Yeah, right. Extra space accumulators. Yeah, I don't know.

But it's not like, I hate you, mate, you know. The people who are enabling them hate them. Like, oh, no, you're beautiful. You know, the body positive, it's all beautiful and you're just full of hate. Those people are all dead, actually. There was a movie that came out years ago when I first started doing this called Fatitude. They had Fatitude. And there was a doctor who was obese.

Everybody was obese. It's not unhealthy to be obese. I'm like, what is going on? And who would do that? Like, you're telling people it's okay to be, oh, it's okay to be on heroin. It's fine. It's good for you.

You should get the safe supply downtown. You want to have some fentanyl? Who talks like that? The devil, maybe? Someone who hates you and wants you to die would tell you, oh, no, no, have you? You want to try some meth? Yeah, maybe you should cut your face off, you know?

Crazy. And then you're like, I don't hate, like, you're sick. It's not okay. You're going to die. Stop that. this to yourself, but I'm the bad guy. Oh, they just don't want to, one of, I saw somebody was out filming one of these, just something you used to see at a robocop. There's just 20 people downtown needles in their arms, ah, and the guy's like angry at him for films. He's like,

why are you just let us live? Like, this isn't living, you're dying. You're being murdered by something you don't even understand or see is happening. We see it, I see it, and it sucks. It's awful. And then when we, it's like, the people you're trying to save, fight you and try to stop you from doing it it's you know crazy they don't see it that way but yeah it's everywhere man it's just this uh and it's like after a children it's after anything it's like the better the the like charlie kirk is such a it means it's a terrible thing but it was like of all the people to shoot yeah you shot ned flanders you shot like he was a nazi it was not at all and like i'm you know uh i don't i'm not going to lie i don't like to it's it's it's it's

mentally exhausting and takes up energy and I'm lazy and I'm kind of autistic and I just I don't want to manage all that so I just like to be honest and I'm not I'm not a center right I'm a fairly far right wing guy Charlie Kirk was you know if he was even on the team yeah he's basically the guy at the door who says hi welcome to the you know he's Ned Flanders like the guy so if they murder him and they're gleefully happy to see his blood spill all over the street like well I was like what does that mean for the rest of us then I guess we're all toast you can be this he wouldn't even swear like that This guy was trying to be the super Christian, nice guy,

to do everything right, and he got shot in the neck for it, or whatever happened to him. He's dead. You know what I mean? That says a lot, and that's mask off moment for all these people, and he got what you deserved. Like, did he? Who deserves that?

You know, like, well, he was in that. Says who, says what? You're something in there, you know, and when you talk to these people and you hear them, they're just, you know, there's nothing in there. We did, when the club first stood up in 2024, I wanted to do, we had the guys in like multiple different cities. And what is this?

The second sons Canada club. Okay, second sons. So it was just like, like, again, we're starting with what we got and the idea is of, well, we're to try and find the rest of the like-minded guys around and, you know, and pull them in. So we'll have guys here and Calgary, whatever, in just different spots. And then all the same day, same time. and then stitch it together in a video and do it.

It was like, okay, we're here, we exist now, you know, and we're all over the place, you know, come out. And so we went down to, it was like Sullivan's Bond here in the city in Dartmouth. And within five minutes of being there, you know, the goblins are on Reddit and, you know, all this stuff is happening. And, you know, like, it was a Nazi rally. There was a squirrel that was watching us. Like, there was no one there. It was an empty part. It was just for the image, you know, we weren't, there's no one there.

And so they had their own. rally the next weekend, the anti-Jeremy McKenzie rally. And there are like a hundred people show up and they had these speak. It was just grievance politic. I went there. Me and Morgan went to attend our own like out in the outskirts at first, like listening to what they were saying. And there were people, you know, Palestine and, you know, black, it was just what is, I don't know what any of this has to do with anything. So we went, I went to the front of the stage and said, hi everybody. Thank you for coming to my rally. It's great to see everybody. Some of the signs even spelled correctly. That's good. And they freaked out. I talked. I talked. I talked. I

In full view, the police, I had a bunch of guys, you know, try to swarm and attack me and then, you know, knock my hat off and we're trying to, some of them like punch me and kick me in the back and stuff, but it was kind of like playing with children sort of thing. So I was like, what the? Turn around to like square up with them and nobody, you know, wanted to do anything. But we hung around for a bit and talked to some people. And they were like, well, you know, you love Trump. And I said, oh, what are you?

No, I don't love. What are you talking about? like the guy's in the pocket of all kinds of terrible human beings like no he's not well why you just go hang out with poly up that if you love him so much i'm like i don't are you crazy what are you talking about uh and it just became obvious five six seven people we talked to all of them hated me for reasons that they had invented or someone else had told it weren't even real they didn't even know why and be like well that's not true and then they go well i still hate you you literally don't even know why they're like ah i'm just a designated punching bag it's like just

It's right out of, is it Orwell, the four, eight minutes of hate or whatever they would, do you remember that book? Are you talking 1984? Yes, 1984. Eight minutes of hate? Something like that. Where they'd have like the enemy and everybody would, ah, yell at the scream, boo, lock you. Man, that's one of the things I don't remember that book. Yeah, there was, the tell was.

Like when I read it, I needed a cold shower after and I needed to go watch something that was very upbeat. Yeah, it's dark. It's a dark book. And his last words are dark, you know, you ever see him on his deathbed there? and they're like, what do you have to say to people who read your book? And he said, it's up. He's like, it's up to you. Don't let it happen, you know.

I thought that was a reenactment. He had tuberculosis. I don't know if it was or not, but he did I think he had tuberculosis. Because I remember getting sent that video and being like, it seemed fairly produced. And I'm sure, I want to say it was, I'm sure it was a production. I want to say it was a production. Now, I could be wrong. The sentiment is still, you know, true.

It doesn't matter. You go read 1984. and like it's a very sobering book it's just like at the end of it like I say I needed to go hang out with my kids for a bit you know like and that's a great I you know same with me when I spend a couple days with them it's just like you know because that's what it's all about yeah without them why am I doing anything I wouldn't care about anything like everything is centered around you know the family and like that's you know that's what you're supposed to be driving our whole civilization and it's like no no no no forget all that money stuff

up things, things, money stuff. That's what's important. You know, that's not even matters. Again, who's telling you this? The guy over there at the cape and the, but in real life, that's not what it looks like. And, you know, we get conditioned as kids and young people, like, that you think you'll see an evil thing coming when you, you'll know when you see it. No, you won't. It'll have great teeth and perfect hair and I'll tell you all kinds of things you're happy to hear. And what do they say about Satan? The angel of light. It won't be until later. You realize, oh. butchering that but regardless he's going to be smooth and yeah and very seductive and

this a great idea Satanoid and I think yeah do it do it you know it's only later that you realize oh no oh you're faster walk me through the second sons because this is okay full disclosure I know probably less than a thimbleful about what you're doing there I the videos that I've seen or maybe I shouldn't even even go that far. The, the, probably the way media portrays it, right? So this is a very moronic thing to admit to you, but I'm like, it's like dudes in mass. And, you know, like, what's the outrage as I sit here, got bones? That would be the one, right? Is the 215 graves and Kamlips, I believe, is where it's centered at, right? And if you've followed that

and Francis Whittleson and others, you go, yeah, on that particular one, it is, there's nothing there, right? But the second son's part of it, well before the Got Bones thing, what is your goal there? What are you trying to do? Scare people. We got matched and we're going to hold signs. So, yeah, it's, let me break this down to the beginnings. It, I just kind of settled on this as like, you know, the math had been done that, you know, there's obviously a lot of problems with the country.

And I'm, you know, fairly politically interested, I guess. I don't really like politics, but it's like, you could ignore it, but it's not going to ignore you. Yeah. You know, whether you like it or not. So, okay. Initially, there, then the PPC was a thing for a little minute. I'm like, well, let's try. There, yeah, we'll get an alternative party.

you learn as you grow and get older that that's not as easy as it sounds and things are not that simple. And, you know, I'm not a billionaire. People are looking at like the prime minister's chair. It's like, how do we fix and change that? It's like, you know, I'm this big. I barely exist. I should, what do, you know, like, oh, the emperor should do this and that. Like, that is a waste of your life to even, you know, instead. Like, what can you actually do? Like, I can help that guy and that guy and that guy. Like those are three people and that's what the country is. So I would describe myself as a nationalist

because that's like the family aspect field. That's where it comes from. It's more of a spiritual thing than a night. It's not a textbook, you know, typical conservative money, you know, fiscal responsibility. It's all centered around, you know, the people themselves. And the individual is the smallest unit of the whole, like a cell in the body.

And if too many of them are sick, you're sick and you die you know and that's kind of what we say like the countries there's a lot of people are just either very overweight they're mentally ill they're addicted to things they're on it's just it's a mess so people are like we you know we got to take the country back and we got look around like we're like a lot of people are on their deathbed there's not even a manpower pool of people like the individual level the cellular level is like that's how bad it is so it's like you almost got to start it's like we just got to put up some curtains when the whole house is destroyed and rotten and there's, you know, bugs and it was like, no, no,

there needs to be a total renovation where there's a lot of work that has to be done. You can't, we can't just check a box and paint some curtains blue or get a different color and it's going to be fine. Like, that's not, you know, and number two, like, I can't even influence, you know, these big picture things. You know, I can yell on the internet, but I don't, you know, Carney's not going to go, you know, he's got a point, you know, and all of a sudden, that's not going to happen. Like, it's, you know, to what people think.

But the people are the country. The country's not the great, like all of this could leave. Just blow it all up. It doesn't matter. Take all the Canadian people out of Canada and put them in just some, put them on Mars. It's Canada, just on Mars. It's the same because it's the people that make it. These are all just things we've made.

There's all just stuff. We can make more stuff. It looks the way that it does and sounds the way that it does and behaves the way that it does and works the way that works because we're the people who made it that way. It's why it's not Japan. Why does Japan be Japan? Because Japanese people are there. That's why it is that. They're Japan. Like, you can switch us. We're not going to, you know, all of a sudden wear kimonos and speak like, we all live in Japan and they all live here. It's just now Japan's there and now Canada's here. So, you know, that's the people are the nature. So if you want to help the country, the people is who you help. You know, that's what it is. It's not, none of these institutions or buildings. So, you know, that's at the lowest level. And if you've got a guy who's really, you know, misfiring, really unhealthy.

and really, you know, at low potential. Like, he's not anywhere like he could be or should be totally given up on himself. Doesn't care booze bag, drug, whatever. And if he's able to repair that or fix that or rehabilitate himself in some way, or even just be better than he was or, you know, having the mutual accountability of the other guys and stuff, will, you know, iron sharpens iron, you know, kind of thing as they say. And you're an asset to your friends, your family, your community, like you're healthier. You're more committed and focused on things that matter.

You care about your health. You care about the other guys around you. You care about the community. You care about, like that's, you know, you kind of try to kickstart that and make that the reason you get together and do it in the first place. So you're trying to bring these guys in and give them a space to do that. And there's really nowhere for men to go anymore to do these things, to learn any of this stuff. I was in the military.

I wouldn't recommend people do that. But where do you go to learn any of that? Men used to exist in collective tribes. Like we had to. It wasn't like, I'm just going to live in the woods and order DoorDash. I don't care. It wasn't an option. Life is a team sport like, you know, hundreds of years ago, even not that long ago. Up until pretty recently, you couldn't afford to just, you know, do whatever. Like, if you got exiled, that was the ultimate punishment. You were dead. Like, you know, you're screwed.

So, you know, we got to kind of regenerate that, you know, kind of team spirit. But there's nowhere for men to just be men and learn these things. And I was able to pick that up from having, I mean, my father, my grandfather and, you know, he had these figures. but then also like these sort of uncle characters and they're all different but they're all get something in life experience to teach you that you're not going to learn anywhere else and it's a hard-nosed place it's like people die here a lot you know and it's rough and like there's consequences there's alcoholism there's suicide there's divorces there's you know drug problems and it's like it's you know there's a lot of things to learn in there and you navigate it in a way over a career you've got like a war officer a sergeant major and stuff and they're very they're very

a lot of wise, you know, things to teach. And the young guys benefit from that. So there's like a transition. When you're young and full of, you know, you've got energy and strength to do all kinds of things and that's great. We need those. But you're an idiot. You don't know. You're just like brand new out of the plastic wrap. Like, let's go. You know, you survive that. You graduate to like then maybe the middle of the road, you know, you're maybe not exactly at the front, but you're managing these guys. And then towards the end of the career, you're kind of like the father figure where you've been there and done all this and you're teaching them and showing them the way and guiding them. And the young guys help the old guys,

the old guys help the young guys that just turns the wheel. And that's how the army's always operated. And we've lost that. It's just that it's been cut. There's nowhere for, unless you had these kind of guys in your family, like a good strong father, and it's like, where do you go to learn? And there are guys that don't, like, and I'm not saying you should. Everybody go out and get beat up, but like, most guys have, you've never been in a fight ever? You've never been punch in the face not once in your life ever like it's never come up that's you know the the numbers are pretty uh off of what it used to be you know what i mean it wasn't a big deal it's not like something people did all the time but like in the 90s getting cracked in the mouth or something you because you were

oh wow were you lipping off uh he punched me yeah well don't be a jerk now you're getting a swat team raid and take yours in prison and i'm like okay relax um you know so you can't you can't grow as a man if you can't test these boundaries and kind of push yourself in these directions, how do you, like, you see Fight Club? It's a great movie. Actually, that's literally what's in my head. Right? It's like, how much can you know about yourself if you've ever been in a fight? Like, that's a good, you know, it's a good point. But it's a way to learn a lot of great, you know, lessons and stuff.

So that's part of what they do is like the martial combat, you know, fitness and stuff. We do like, you know, a lot of health and fitness stuff. Guys do like canoe trips and hiking and that kind of stuff and they do overnight campouts and crazy. I don't, I'm not, I've done enough camping, you know, like, we're going out to the woods for three days. I'm like, good, have fun, see you. I'm good with that. I'm good with that. You know, I love boxing. I've just taken it up in like probably two years ago now. I've always been a fan of it, but I was like never trained like a, like when you learn to play a guitar, the screwing around with the guitar and then trying to learn how to play a guitar, you know, and I started doing that.

It's just the focus and the discipline from it. And, you know, it's good for your brain. It's good for your mind and skill building and confidence. It's good for your self-confidence. It's good for a whole bunch. It's the intangibles that you get out of the experience. It's not the fighting itself. It's the process of learning these things that, you know, strengthen and build you up as a man and just doing hard things. You do something that's uncomfortable, not impossible. Like, don't be like, I've never done anything before. Like, okay, we're going to go fight Mike Tyson from 1991 now? Okay. You reach to like, it's, okay, this is uncomfortable. I was like, okay, do that until it's not that uncomfortable, not that hard anymore. And then you reach for

the next thing. And then you just keep doing that until eventually you come, you know, I don't know what Nietzsche, or one of these guys would say, you like, an actor. you know, you're done or you're you're you know, but you don't get to be you if you never, you just stay in your shell and you never do anything and you never step up, you know. So am I, do I understand you correctly, you started the second sons as a men's group? Yeah. To help men become men. In some way, like, it's hard because there's a lot of things we're trying to do at once,

but yeah, it's a men's club and based around, you know, the nationalist ideology and spirit. And why? Why masks? Well, a lot of death threats, a lot of attacks and a lot of things like they'll attack your employers. They'll go after your wife, your family. Like, they, I mean, I've got thousands. We're actually going to, I don't know if we're going to publish it in a booklet to sell as like a gag kind of fun. Because we're coming up with some things that we got like flags and pans, just minor stuff to like, people are like, I want to help you guys. Can I, you know, I'm not going to be like, yeah, just give us money.

They at least give them something. Some things. Like, here's a booklet of like just death threats. There's thousands of death threats that we've got. You can read these. I don't know. I might just put them on the internet. But it's very real.

And because they don't report on it and talk about it, it's, you know, they like to say violence all the time. Violent this and violent that and violent. I wish it was a more intellectually impressive brainwashing operation, but it's really just volume. Just say the word violence over and over again long enough and people will just associate it with that. So they think we're terrorists or some kind of thing. It's been almost three years, it's been not a single, like not one problem, not even a parking violation or anything like that. I think it's important as the, if you're a leader and a figurehead, you can't hide.

You have to be up front and willing to take the first shot. Like I was talking to a friend of mine last night. Great movie. We were soldiers, Mill Gibson. Sure, yeah. I'll be the first one in, the last one out. Like, that's how it has to be. That's how it has to be.

So I was like, okay, I'll do that. So if we need to speak, I'll do that. If somebody asks a question, I will talk and I'll take, you know, whatever. Otherwise, you're just putting these people at risk. And they've already demonstrated that, like, they've identified a few people here and there. I guess there were some guys, one guy lost his business, tried to commit suicide. Another guy lost his marriage. Another guy in Quebec, he was an Olympian.

And Docs ruined his business and his gym and everything like that. They'll just, just for being associated with us. If they find out, and they will just set about sending people to try to hurt you in some way. And what is, so why? Why give it to them? So just, if they don't know who you are, it's a lot harder to do. And what's the, what's the, what is the, what is the, what is the, what is the, what is the, what is the, what is the, what is the, what is the, what is the, what is the, what, how does this help us by just here, offering these guys up to any number of things. And it was like, we've got, there's guys that are doctors, poters.

pilots, like, there's people, they have things to lose. And I'm like, I'm not going to, yo, go expose you and your family by extension. Like, oh, do your kids, who this guy? Where do their kids go to school? Maybe, maybe we can attack, you know, attack their kids. I don't know. I've seen them do some, say some pretty crazy things online. And there was a guy actually, not in our group in Canada, but in Australia just passed away by suicide recently. And his home was firebonds by Molotovs on Christmas Eve with his pregnant wife and family inside because he thinks the wrong things. So there was a guy in France killed, just murdered in the street,

five or six guys jumped and beat him to death, stomped his head and killed him. Like that's, it's not a game. Like a lot of these conservatives and people, they're online and they just think, there's real risk. If you're going to take a real position that's, you know, it's not, I think we need to lower taxes and get the libs out. Nobody's going to burn your house down over that. But if you go a little further and takes like a real opposite side of the field stance,

they're going to come after you. They're going to try to hurt you. If you go a little further than that, what's a little further than that? So, yeah, what is the, what is the, I guess the line of departure where you stop being acceptable political discourse, which is basically all the same shade of blue, red? and then, nope, too much. It's sort of, I wish it was a simple answer. It's not super simple, but there is an answer.

I'd say the crux of it is based around identity. And there's people who understand that and kind of embrace that and carry that. And there's a lot of people who don't. And because they don't, that's what's enabled them to really erode and destroy the country. It's a weapon. So we were brought up to believe the whole multiculturalism. Everybody's the same and the government now is like a Canadian is anything. And I saw Sean Fraser say something like, what did he say? He said, you know, they say there's a Canadian born all over the world every minute. They just don't know it yet. Like that's, that's, no, that's great. Right.

Like, is there a Japanese person born all over the, in Congo every minute and just doesn't know? He's not Japanese, right? It's exclusively to just, European countries where there's this kind of expectation where everybody's interchangeable like light bulbs, it doesn't mean anything, it's all the same, just passport units, you know, whatever. Everybody else, oh no, they've all got their own exclusive space and, you know, Muslim association for, okay, and all the indigenous people, oh, okay, and everybody's allowed to have it except you. And for a minute, you think, okay, well, majority control, they're just, you know, They don't really, they need to help more assistance, you know, giant majority overwhelming

people. You know, we don't need protection or so, but more and more and more and more. And now it's becoming institutionalized. It's in, there's a very obvious, you know, bias everywhere. So just identifying and saying like, yeah, I'm, you know, a Canadian is not just everybody. Just the same as a Japanese person is not everybody. A Portuguese person is not everybody. It's a specific thing.

It comes down to like you're, why is my name McKenzie? because of my dad. Like, I can't be something else. I am what I am. It's not up to me. You know, and same with the rest of my family, my children. And that's what the nation is built around. That's where it came from.

It wasn't a business. It wasn't like, okay, we're opening up a, you know, this is going to be a stock ticker, everybody sent your money in and we're going to start throwing this together. You know, Canada, all of us, but Canada came from a specific place. There were specific people that came from a specific place. came here, built it up, and up until very recently, it was a cohesive hole and, you know, more or less undisturbed. And then now we have the fastest changing demographics in the history

of the world outside of a war with Genghis Khan. And the main vector that they're able to do that is this is this sort of like belief that, or kind of like a spell almost, that like, yeah, anybody coming in and out, it's just like light bulb units. It doesn't matter. It's just numbers, population up and down, whereas like we're not, we're not taking 5,000 people in to just sprinkle around. You're taking millions and millions and million. Over a quarter of the country wasn't born here. This is pre-end of the Roman Empire sort of situation where you have an entire alien nation inside your own. They're not going to conform. I would they? If 10 million of us moved into Japan and carved out a whole city, it's like, why would we, we've just got our own

little piece of a country, you know, inside there. So again, it's, it's, There's a lot to unpack and break down here, but there's a concerted effort to erode the national identity of the country. If people don't know who they are, how do you defend yourself? You'll say, you know, we stand for the Canadian people. Okay, who is that? Pierre, can you name, can you even write that? Like, how would you describe that? It's a passport? If it's just a passport, then it's everyone. And if it's everyone, then it's meaningless. It's like, like, if you hyperinflate and produce, and everybody's got a million dollars. Well, then everybody's, poor. Does it just mean anything? So, you know, that's really where it is. If you start to venture

into that sort of lane, because the ultimate end case there is there is an us and there is a them and there is a line and there is a door and there is people who, you know what I mean? There's a, threshold. And it's like there are a limit. Without that, none of this works. The mass migration doesn't work. Giving all the money away to the third world doesn't work. The guilt, like, and again, I'm not insensitive to the native issues and it wasn't like, there's denialism. This specific, you know, God, bones, that one. There's that. There's a lot of other things going on there. No one's saying there's not other, you know, bad stuff that went on. But should we be bankrupting the country and giving everything? Like, this is not going to end well based on guilt and stuff

because of, you know, this sort of spell they've got people under. So it's very nefarious. in coming from a bad place, it's not going to do good things for anybody. And a lot of our enemies are celebrating it. They can't wait. Like, well, there's less and less people. More Indians is good and less Canadians is better. And like, what? When did that become a thing? I didn't, you know, I didn't have any experience.

My experience with Indians was Apu from the Simpsons until like eight years ago. Never saw one. You know, never. Now it's like every four, like, you know, Nobody asked us about this. No one said, hey, do you guys want all of Mumbai to let? No, that was never campaigned on. No one ever brought, it just happened.

It just started to happen. And you go, okay, I'm not saying, you know, if we've got extra food, you know, not help out some people. But like, talking with the doorway and threshold, like, I have a, we have doors on our homes and locks on them where our family and our children live. And there's a difference between you can stay in our guest room and or maybe you can come over and I'll feed you if I need you. and you can move your whole family and take the pictures off the wall, put your pictures up, have your way with my wife, beat my children, and throw me out of my own house. That's, you know, there's a difference. These are not the same thing.

We have doors and locks on our homes for a reason. And the country is no different. It's a micro macro, the same thing. And that's really the key issue. If you don't have that sort of awareness of the identities of who is where and what team, you know, so to speak, who goes where, it's all. it's all free game for, you know, people taking advantage of it. And it's very good for businesses and money, too. It's not just like, not entirely motivated by, I hate, you know, white people. There's some of that,

but also, if I can bring in cheap labor from all over the world and pay them nothing and put 10 of them and live in a landlord, you know, just jam them in these hives of people and treat them like scum, they're used to living like garbage. They don't care. Everybody's quality of life comes down. They make more money than, you know, it's just the middle class is also being destroyed. which is the last or in the best, ballwork against like a tyrannical government. If you've got a strong middle class, if you've got mom and dad, dad's got a good job, mom doesn't have to work. She stays home with the kids. Great. You can afford to go on vacation once a year. You've got a car in the garage, you know, like it used to be. I grew up with a guy who sold shoes,

or a friend of mine, his father sold shoes like Al Bundy, I'm married with children. House, garage, car, wife didn't work, kids stayed home. Sold shoes. You couldn't, you can't live on hot dogs if you sell shoes now, I don't even know if you can sell shoes. I got lost there. What was it? Oh, right, the middle class. So if you have the means to feed yourself, like, you don't need the government to do anything. Like, I can take care of myself.

I've got my family. I've got the community. Like, we don't need. They're only supposed to be managing certain things like infrastructure, roads, trading with other countries, national defense. You know, very basic barebo stuff compared to today where they're in your phone. They're in your house. They're in your bedroom. they're in your wife's underwear, they're into everything. That doesn't work if you've got a middle

class of people who are fairly well off, affluent enough, they can say whatever they want, they can work amongst themselves. Like the government's supposed to work for them and it's completely flipped upside down because they're weak and they have no choice like look what happened with COVID. I have to or else I lose my, there is nowhere to go. The only game in town is the government. The number one employer in Nova Scotia is the government. Something like 70% of of every job in Nova Scotia is a government job or a contract or subcontract of a government job. So they need the state to live. And nobody's doing well. You know what I mean? Like nobody's rich anymore. Like we're on the way down.

So all these things are related. The middle class is being a road and destroyed on purpose, I think, as part of their great reset. It's not just exclusive to Canada either. This is happening in Australia. It's happening in England. It's happening in Germany, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Spain, Portugal, Italy, America, everybody at the same time, despite their own religions, histories, cultures with each other. They all went, you know what we should do? We should mass replace our own populations, ban speech, take the guns, destroy political prisoners, and do all the, you know, it's hard to get 10 people to agree on anything. But all of a sudden, that's all, and no one campaigned on any of this either. So it's all being centrally coordinated by the same people. Again,

and up there's the Epstein map behind you up there on the wall. There's some figures on there. Conrad Black is on there as well. He gets into the National Post opinion pieces often, which I find is odd. But, you know, this is all very beneficial for some people and very, very terrible for most people. Kind of the trajectory of the world's going on. But anyway, the whole, anyway, the point is, I think the key thing is like once you start to take that turn of there isn't us and them, there's a home team and an away team and it's not you know that's it you're and i'd say like once you

once you know that you know the bad guys once you've kind of seen behind the curtain a little bit too much and they know you've seen it like they saw you can't oh it wasn't supposed to you're an enemy for life and you're screwed like they're you can't go back you can't apologize and say i'm sorry i didn't they'll just hurt you worse and they'll humiliate you and drag you around and make a big show of it and all um so you know i've seen that too We're, by the time this airs, it'll be basically two weeks, maybe a touch more, until a referendum in Alberta. I'm curious, what you think of Alberta and a referendum on whether to stay in Canada. Well, I did a, I started a podcast series, well, the normal one where I just kind of riff and hang out,

but I was more deliberate and serious. There's just two episodes for now, I think of the third one soon, but the second one was about that, in Alberta. the country. And I don't, I mean, I don't, it's not shocking. It's not, like, why would anybody want to do that? I basically boil it down to like, if you're in a house full of people at your family home, like, let's say, and you've got like an abusive stepfather. It's not even a real dad, Ottawa.

Like, that's my opinion. The people in Ottawa are not Canadian. A lot of them literally aren't. And the many other ones might as well not be. They don't have any. I couldn't do what they do to this place. and think that they're my kin or people at all. Like, they don't care at all what they do.

So I don't even, we're basically occupied by some kind of cesspool of, some kind of abscess there. So you've got this, you know, monstrous sort of a stepfather who's abusive and, you know. And, you know, one of the kids is like, I'm just getting out of, I'm going to get the fuck out of here, you know. I don't want to stay here and put up with it. Why would I? Well, of course, yeah, obviously that makes perfect sense. nobody's fault in for that. But there's a lot of other kids in the house and they're all younger and

smaller than you. So if Alberta can't handle it, how is Saskatchewan going to survive? Or New Brunswick? Do they think, and there's this, I don't know where this came from. I think it's easy, it's lazy to just have this perception like, oh, the Easterers, man, more Eastern people. We have no more control over what goes on here than they do like our votes don't matter nobody listens anything we say it's all it's not it's not up to us we're we're just here we don't you know i don't control where we're born and right and most of the people out there came from here in the first place like my dad lived and worked in calgary like i right it's just a geography you're just in a different place what's important is we're related like like i bet if you go back

for enough if you took your blood in mind they'd be like look at these these these specific genetic markers you have and i have came from the same guy somewhere back in 1827 we have a common relative somewhere. And we're one of the more cohesive people still left. The Canadians are still pretty tight. It hasn't been diluted as much as like the Americans and other people. So like we're literally a family. Like we're the same like I've worked and lived all over the country.

I used to think that was true. Like when you're kind of a sheltered, I was from a fishing town here in Nova Scotia and Picto. And, you know, there's a difference like Cape Breton. You know, it's like they talk different. But, you know, Newfoundland, New Brunswick, I got to work with guys from all over the Atlanta, Canada. And then I lived in Padua, Ontario, a lot of guys out there, Western Canada, the PPCLI guys, and the Albertan guys and the British Columbia guys. And I realized, like, you know, steel-toe boots, tobacco, pickup trucks, you know, you're just fishermen on land. You're just those guys.

And then the lobster fishermen guys are like, you're the rig workers. You're the same. Like, you're basically the same guy. You talk different, but you're the same guy. just put it on mute and I'm like this is every other party I've ever been to like these are the same guys like when I said earlier if you take Canada and put them somewhere else it just becomes Canada there we had a place in Afghanistan called Canada House it was like a little it was our house and it was our house and it was just all of our stuff and all of our and it did kind of feel a little bit like

home you know because it's the people who make it that thing so I understand the knee jerk kind of like we got to get away from this mess. And we tried to vote and they don't care. And then there was the convoy. And they're going to do whatever they want and they don't care. So we should just take our stuff and leave. And I understand that. But I don't think that is going to end well for, I don't think it'll succeed.

I understand it as a negotiating tactic, I think, for probably the more serious operators in Alberta who are not, you know, when we're grown up and understand like, if we can, we can generate enough of a threat, we'll get a better terms of. when we come to the table to negotiate, because we can say, you know, if you have no support, you know, you can't threaten people, you can't back it up. Otherwise, you're just complaining. If you can't do anything to hurt that person, you're just complaining. So it's like, if I'm 120 pounds of walking here, everybody, be quiet. No one's even going to listen to you. If Brock Lesnar walks in here and goes, shut the fuck up, I'm like, okay, okay, Brock, would you like some candy? Like, there's a different, it's not what he did, that both guys said and did the same thing, but one can hurt you and one can't. And that's, you know,

make sense so i think that's uh part of you know kind of what's going on there uh which you know also makes sense but to i just don't it's separating you're stronger together you know as the stupid idiom you know politics slogan says it's true but let me um you mentioned uh you know you got an abusive father using using the or stepfathers i guess to summarize i think the strongest most powerful child the would that should rally the rest and and be and run the rebellion against the stepfather that so so so So let me throw it out of it. What if that is exactly what's happening?

I'm down. That was basically how I ended the video. It's like if anybody, there should be, I mean, something's got to be done about these people. And Alberta is the strongest cat in town. Then they should be up front leading the charge. Everybody's been looking at similar things what you're talking about.

All the things you just, you know, hour and 44 minutes. I can eat up time, buddy. Well, no, but you're rattling off a whole bunch of what probably not just Albertans, but Canadians are staring at going like, it can be done. And all of us in our different areas

have looked through and everything, I don't know what to do. Albertans have come to, you know, is it every Albertan? Certainly not. A large chunk of Albertans have come to the firm conclusion, things are not right.

Using your abusive stepfather, it's like, well, how do we, how do we, lots of people point to divorce and say you should never do it. And it's like, wait, wait, if you're being abused, abused in a relationship. At some point, you have to draw a line and go, we can't carry on this way.

This is not healthy. In the example you give, what about the weaker children? It's like, well, first, you have to protect yourself. You have to remove yourself from the situation so that you can come back and help. Because right now, the way it's going, nothing's getting better. This is a way that, and I don't know, listen, Jeremy, I don't know if I'm right. I just look at it and I go, Albertans have come to the firm conclusion of a law

of what you're talking about. And their way going, well, they've got a stymied here and here and here and here and here and here and here. And, well, we're going to leave that. And then everybody loses their collective minds. And you go, good. We're going to leave. And we're going to have a vote to see if we can leave.

And then, of course, all the political actors and everything twist and turn that. And Canadians, the way in the media that they do it, is they go, oh, see, Albertans hate the East. It's not true. Yeah. I think...

I mean, there's people online, but like, again, it's not... No, no, no, but I think Albertans... Yeah. ...want to be Canadians. Yeah. We are Canadians. Heck, I think they go, we just... Everybody just wants their house back.

That's right. And then they go, so how do you get it back? Yeah. And they look at it and they go, we're going to separate. And then, you know, I've heard different people say, well, you're banning us. I go, I don't think that's what's happening at all. I think they're trying to put on their, you know, the plane analogy is put on your mask first and then help other people. That's, to me, what they're feeling around.

They're just trying to figure out, like, how do we get out of this situation? Because everything you've talked about, people are seeing that. They're going, I don't know of another way. Yeah, I mean, I'm sensitive to it because I, we do the same thing. Like, I play with the deck of cards that I have. Yes. I'm not the government of Alberta, so I don't have the same kind of thing. the government of Alberta either. Right, but they say, oh, God, bonds, there, this, this, this, that.

It's like, that all went exactly how we wanted it to. I didn't say anything for two days, because like, let them make idiots of themselves and say, like, they're going to walk right at it like they always do. But you can see something and think, oh, they're doing, I don't really know what's going on because I'm not in the war. I don't know. I'm not in there. I'm not in the Pentagon. I don't know what is really happening. And same with that. So I don't know. If that is, if that's their play, that makes sense. you know, if they're saying, I mean, the inner chambers of wherever this is happening. Like, if we can create this kind of wedge to pressure, like, it'll create a crack in something that we can then use later to pry this open and start to get some ground back.

Well, sure. When you look at the Freedom Convoy, do you put that same analysis on it now, that it wasn't, you know, like, of like, was it a play to open up things and was there government or political actors in there? Or was it truly grassroots? think it was yeah truly grass I think it was hijacked but I would position to you then yeah that Alberta separatism is truly grassroots yeah now is it going to try and be hijacked and all the things for sure I would say disproportionate amount of the convoy

were we're from western Canada and from Alberta like a lot of people it's not a short drive we talk about this first down it's a bit of a hall it is a hall and when I saw that because there's always been there's been you know God rest his soul Mark freezing was a great man he was a good friend of mine he was uh he didn't deserve what we got and uh it's a shame that he's not around to you know he wanted nothing more than to just win win this you know and uh they would go to ottawa and you know we're gonna protest this i was like i don't they don't care like they let they just yeah yeah yeah close the window they don't care because what are you going to do but this was different like no no we're not going to leave we're going to jam up the

arteries and this is going to be a problem so i saw it and it's like you see the trucks going. You see the... I was like, oh, oh, they'll weigh old the phone. This is novel. This is new. This is outside the box. I like this. It's like, it's not illegal. Like, you know, it's mass participation. There's a lot of, this is good. This is smart. And we'll see what happens. And we did. And that was, that was what, it was just a lightning rod for people. And everybody was just upset. It was just stop it. Like, it was basically, the country banging on the door. Like, stop it. Stop what you're doing. Like, this is enough. And they answered with guns and horses and batons and clubs and it's like, okay, they don't care that you're hurting. Like, that's what that was.

It was a bunch of people would like, stop, you're hurting me. And they went, oh, and hurt you more. It's like, okay, that's been established. That's who you're dealing with. You can't negotiate with somebody who's not trying to be your friend. Like, that's not like, hey, we have a disagreement. Like, oh, what's the problem? Oh, well, you see, you're doing this and it's causing these problems for me. Oh, I didn't realize. I'm sorry. If it was, well, what should the government have done? I said, if it were me, you know, do the ballsy move, because that's respectable, first of all. Trudeau should have walked out of there with four cops. Go down, fine, you got four guys.

You, you, you, you, you. Come with me. Let's go, walk right out, right out there. Walk right up to the, where that big truck was in the stage and go, what's going on, guys? I mean, you know, I'm not going to talk to a mob, obviously, but it's like, provide some people, like figure it out, you know, and then we'll talk because this isn't what anybody wants. If I'm sincerely trying to lead the country and do a good job and I look outside and there's 70,000 people saying fuck you with, you know, on my front lawn,

I'll go, well, I've obviously made some mistake somewhere. This is not what I wanted to happen. Whoops, because these are the people I'm trying to lead and, you know, make their lives better. And it's clearly not working. So obviously something's gone terribly wrong. They didn't do that. You know, he didn't come out there like a man and face people.

Because if he had done that, I guarantee people would have been, can you believe the balls on that guy? And it would have changed everything. It could have went a completely different direction. Nobody did. Pollyette, nobody did. Nobody walked out there and said, what's going on, guys? Like, obviously, this is not.

At first they said it wasn't even going to happen. Like, oh, there's no convoy. They always said, okay, well, there's some people are going to protest, but it's not going to be a big deal. Oh, well, they're going to show up, but they're not going to stay forever. And then eventually, he's like, oh, send the army. Like, that escalated quickly. But there was no demonstration of, you know, courage or self-sacrifice or that they were even remotely interested in what was wrong with these people. It was just shut up and do what we say

or will hurt you. So, you know, once that's been established, it's like, okay, well, there's no reason to try to, you can't negotiate or talk to somebody in good faith who's not interested in talking to you. They just want you to submit to their will. That's fighting, right? That's not talking. We're not friends. You're hitting me. Well, I'd argue the same thing is happening to Albertans right now. Right? Nobody's going to talk to them. They've labeled them traitors, right the the language has has gone up i've said some things too but it's again i'm not in the i'm not in the in the war house so i don't know who's you know what's the game plan is there may be more because you don't want to give everything away you don't say we're going to do this then we're

going to do that i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that if we have a demonstra or something we're going to do i'm not going to say put it out line for we don't tell anybody anything because if you do they will ambush you they'll show there'll be all kinds of problems you can't uh that's fighting you you tell you tell you you're upfront and honest and transparent with your friends and the people that you love and care about. You don't want them to be confused about what you're doing. But with somebody who's an opponent, you don't telegraph what you're doing until, all right, I'm going to, here we go. That's a great way to get knocked out quick. So, yeah, there could be that. But I just, again,

maybe that's the intention. I don't know. But I think Alberta is the strongest pocket of people who are serious about, like, something's got to be done. Because it doesn't really exist anywhere else for a number of reasons, just not enough money, is enough people. The middle class, I think, in Alberta is less destroyed than everywhere else. That's a big problem out here in the East and they go all these welfare people. Again, I've lived there, I've lived here. They don't want to be on welfare. Like, we're not allowed to work. There's nothing to do. Like, there's oil and gas, tonne off of Newfoundland. Saudi Arabians have a deal with the Irving family, so we're not going to let Newfoundland be rich. There's natural gas in Nova Scotia, but we're

There's all kinds of things that are going on like this. There's potential in the country. Everywhere. We should be, we should have, we have a, you know, we have everything to run any country. There's nothing we don't have. We have uranium. We have potash. We have fuel.

We have energy. We have lumber. We have diamonds. We have rocks. We have like, what do you want? We have it all. Water. We have all the water.

We have everything. We don't need anyone or anything. And that was the dream of the guys who built this country. They're like, if we beat the Americans to the Pacific, and hold this down. Like, we could, we could be a super, they said that. Like, we could be a superpower. We should have, if it's a bunch of you've been managed properly, there's, again, a whole other history you think it into, but in the 60s is when it clicked over to like, we're going communism way now, or 65, 67, it started to the shift change. But before then was like, if that had not

happened and it was done, we could have 80 million Canadian people here by now. Had they been encouraged to have bigger families and, you know, we'll pay more kids, less taxes, free houses. Like, There's lots of ways you can do this. We could have 80 million people. We would be competitive with Germany. We're not going to be a, you know, the United States is a bit far-fetched, but there's no reason we could have

60, 70 million people here. We could have one of the top 10 economies in the world. Japan's a tiny island with almost nothing, and they're one of the biggest economies in the world. Like, we could have had that. And that was all there. It was all here. There was all here.

There was us and the natives. It's not like, well, we could, but then the Germans and the French, we've got to get around. We've got to circumvent the Dutch, and then we got a, like, Europe, right? You've got all these problems. It's just, it's just money, basically, right? You just see, oh, think of the potential, the things you could do.

And they, you know, went for it. So it's like, that's the why. It was, you know, a bunch of stuffy old shirts like, I think we should have a country and write things down on paper and be boring. Like, no, man, like do you, and it's not going to happen in our lifetime. But what an endeavor? Like, what a thing to tie your name and legacy to that you had a hand in creating something that magnificent and huge.

That's why people built these cathedrals in Europe that were, you know, they took longer to build them than you, your son and his son might live to finish it. You ever read? It was a Ken Fawallors of the Earth. Pillars of the Earth. Yeah. And it's like, this is not done next week. This is, I'll be dead before it's even half finished.

So why? It's like, it's not for me. It's for everyone forever. And that's what I'm giving, that's what I've dedicated my life and, you know, my to it's of service of sacrifice for other people and for for greater things than myself that's you know the good guy energy bad guys like ah I want to mass produce it and sell lots of it and make me rich now so I can go live on an island and hang out with Jeffrey Epstein you know or the other so I think they saw the potential of what

this place could be and and I mean just well it doesn't you know I potential is something that the further I drove Because I biked the country 20 years ago. Biked it, like on a bicycle? On a pedal bike. You're a psychopath. 20 years ago. I thought James Topp was crazy.

Well, James Top walking it is impressive. Yeah. But I mean... Also ignored entirely by CBC. Yeah, wow. I mean, that shouldn't shock anyone. 20 years ago, I was too young to really comprehend... Yeah.

You know, the size of it, sure, but like driving it this time. Yeah. And seeing the potential... is just like Yeah. There's no way you couldn't be the leader of this country and just see the potential. It's just, it's so evident.

I would be so, it would just be, imagine the victories, be like, what would be going to happen? All right, we're going to be so rich. It's going to be a crate, we're going to cry. I mean, the Americans deserve some credit for their restraint. It's like you have all of this right next door and they're just like, you know, it's like having, it's,

It's like there's a, you have a friend who's kind of a jerk and you don't even really like. He's not even really your friend, but he's got a really hot girlfriend. And you shouldn't, it's, America's doing a really good job of not stealing her. But I don't know how much more patience they're going to have. The longer this place gets turned into a communist hellhole. Like, they're giving them every excuse. Sometimes I wonder if that's the game plan. I think, like what Cardney and these guys are doing and what Trudeau is, like, it's all the same program.

They just switch out salesman. It's like a Ford dealership, you know what I mean? It's like, that guy's not running. He's just here to sell you a truck. They're going to be the deals, the models. That's all, it's not him. That's coming anyway. But if they were trying to destroy the country, I don't know what they'd be doing different.

Like, I don't know what else could be done to make it happen any faster. Let's sell off all of our assets. Let's take, let's print money like crazy. Let's, you know, bring in endless amounts of people. Let's pass crazy laws that are going to end. It's obviously going to create violence and problems and friction in society. Like, what are you doing? And they know this. Like, they know better. If they have to, like, so why are you doing it? I don't know. They're making money. We're opening foreign investment now. We're going to have some foreign investment. That's a nice way to say going out of business sale. So you're going to let foreign companies buy our airports and our docks and our farms and our, like, are we going to own anything soon? I don't know. Like, like, whose team are you on? Like, I'm sure Brookfield's doing real well, you know? And again, I get, I'm probably preaching to the choir. Like, everybody's like, yeah, that's why.

we want out of here and i you know i get that it's just uh i use a lot of military analogies because it's like that was my life i don't i don't know if i played hockey it would all be no i know you got it in the corner boys you get the elbows up and there's a bad reference you know but it's actually it's actually i hockey player right so like yeah i i i get the elbows up reference it's just it harkens back to to a time where hockey players were men yeah If those guys from that era were alive today, they would be burning things and they would be jail. Don Cherry would be their lord, you know, he'd be a warlord. He'd be a warlord. He'd be Bobby Orr would be hitting people over the head with his day. It'd be great. We need the 1975 Philadelphia Flyers to come back and then things would be fine.

But, you know, in the military, you know, old school wars, you know, it's different today to some degree. But the urge to kind of bail and run to save yourself. is dooming yourself most to almost always. Your best odds of surviving are actually to stand firm and, you know, with the rest of the guys and not give an inch. Because once you start to try to, most people used to get the statistically, most casualties were guys getting shot in the back running away. The guys that stood in a hole and stayed in fight for the men. We had, Cap Yong was a fight in Korea in the 1950s. And, you know, it was a PPCLI regiment.

But it was an emergency like, we need guys now. Like the war is on. We need to send guys to Korea. Let's go. So there was guys from Quebec, New Brunswick, all over the country came and they put this unit together. So it was like a real good, it's just Canadian boys went there. And the Australia's got overrun and the Americans got overrun. And it was just a disaster.

And they're completely surrounded. And there was like a few hundred guys, three, four hundred guys fought off 5,000 Chinese soldiers for two days. Just incredible. You know, incredible. had they run, they could all be dead. So you look at Alberta Independence and is running. Again, it depends on what the actual planet. I think if the idea is to like, we'll just go by ourselves and we'll leave that

to end. You're actually, you're just going to be more vulnerable to other, because it's not just the government of Canada is going to be, you know, after you enough for granted. The Chinese are going to be right there at your heels looking for it. The Indian government, every government everywhere is going to be, that's the, oh, the hot girl has broken up with that guy that we all. for there comes the inbox careful that's what it's going to be and like are you prepared to fight off the whole world of it and it's not you know the way they do things now everything's back

doors and you know scum sucking kind of stuff so it's you know I think they however the method whatever works but I think that the best path you stick with the people you have and you know that's where you're safest I see people have like left and fled Canada go live in like Mexico and wherever and it's like maybe that's okay for now, but as things continue to deteriorate, you're always safest with your own family and the people you trust. And that's where you're best. Yeah, the community you have. That's where you're always going to be your best chances where you have the most people and you can work together. And so, you know, I think that they should, like, they, like, they, I said,

Alberta should rally the revolution and then we'll move the capital to Calgary. And I said, you know what? And everybody, they would, they, what are you going to say? I was like, you'd, build a giant cowboy statue in every province and make everybody show up and salute it once a year, make it a holiday, and it would be deserved. Like, that's the least you could, you know, like somebody's got to do it. Somebody's got to take the, pick up the shield and say, let's go. This is our charge. Like, I told the story in this podcast because it just, I'm always trying to find a way to, you know, convey the message because I feel things very strongly because I'm just, you know, fix seriousness. It's like, when I'm mad, I'm really mad. When I'm

sad, I'm really sad when I'm, you know, it just, it's, it's very intense. And so I'm trying to, like, get that feeling in, and there's a story that I had when I was in the Army, brand new, like, basic training kind of level. And there was a guy who was, like, just not going to make it. You know, he was falling apart, a lot of gear. And there's another guy who's a just, he was a CFL player. He was like 26 and like six two, six three, just a machine doesn't care. He's indestructible. And then he, uh, stopped and went back and grabbed this guy through his rucksack on his back on top of his own rucksack so he's carrying i don't know what and lifting this guy along and took his weapon from he's like ah and just saved him basically and everybody was like that was crazy like

i'm exhausted and he's got he's just picking up other people and there's stuff and then later i had uh i'm sitting we're sitting there cleaning our boots and stuff and he was like media away and one guy's like why why did you do that you she just left him and he just even look up in his boots he said because i could i was like oh i got what he meant he's like he's like he's like he's like he's like he's like I'm because I remember I was behind him he kept looking back and looking back and he's just like everyone's exhausted he's like I have to do it and if I don't when I said earlier I'm going to live with that I'm going to be like I could have saved that guy I didn't because I was you know like who else could have no one else could have he could have chose not to and but you know

that's not the kind of guy that he was so you know it's like that internal like I got to live with myself at the other day you know yeah And if it's like, why should I? Like, well. Because you can. Yeah. Why can you? Are you, you know, that's take the hint.

You know what I mean? It's like you get the gifts and opportunities you have. Like, I try to make the most of it. Like, I don't, I didn't set out to do anything. I like the Joker. He's like, I don't have a plan. I'm like a dog chasing cars. I was just kind of doing one thing to the next to the next.

And then eventually, like we said earlier, I kind of needed a bit of a corrective, you know, from the universe and there's a lot of people listening and there's a lot like I'm drinking and I'm doing like they don't need that this isn't helpful like you need to try take it a little more seriously like you have a real opportunity to influence people in a good way that you can't buy and I'm what am I doing with it like that's so I take that a little more seriously and I can't go ah somebody else who like who who is in this spot that has access to these people in this time in this

environment with all like there isn't anyone like for me in in my little you know world it's like it's just it's me i can't give it to somebody else there's not a two i see to take over i'm quitting i there is no one i don't have to it's like but if i don't then all of this goes away and none of these people have any of this and none of these guys have each other and none of these like it's all don't have to but like why did you do it because i could you know um i think that's what everybody should just just do whatever you can do instead of working about what the, you know, people way outside your weight class are doing, you know. It's like, I'll deal with the prime minister if I'm a heavy, you know, you get up there to some level that

you're Elon Musk and you can buy countries or something. Well, that's a different conversation. But it's like, I can't do anything about that, but I can, you know, help this guy who's having a rough day, a rough time, and I can, you know, give these guys a good weekend and I can give these guys some, you know, improve their life, multiplied over, you know, 100 guys, 500 guys, a thousand guys, they're a little better, they're a little stronger, they're at a better mood with their kids, their wives, they're fit, everybody benefits, everything starts to, the engine starts to generate and the community starts to come back together and the train starts to move again. And you don't worry about, you know, the destination. It's in the process just like fighting,

learning out of fight, it's doing the thing that produces, you know, what it is you're looking for instead of trying to get to the destination, it's to doing this. And if you keep doing this in five more years like I don't know how many guys will have or how much money but I mean we're looking at getting some like physical clubhouses established so it'll just be a place to operate and you know train I'll have a little gym there in a ring and stuff and they'll be rude like we can't house everybody but there's four guys who're like I can't afford to live anywhere anymore I mean live there we've got there's room you know it's something it's something to do because it's that's another problem like there's guys uh five six people men living in a house together

renting rooms and they're not bums they're not late they're working full-time jobs like this is what i can afford it's a thousand dollars right here you want to rent a bedroom in dartmouth halifax that would cost you $1,200 a month for a bedroom you know i bought my house uh you know down across town 2017 uh when i moved out of here from Ontario uh my mortgage is like 900 bucks the whole house one-a-half bathroom three four bedroom garage you know nice suburban, it's, I think, four or five times the value now when I paid for. I didn't do anything. You got to put a new roof on it. But like, it's literally impossible now to own a property. Like, unless you already got in before the parabolic spike of cost of living. What are you going to do?

You can work for 30, 40 years and save money, but you're never even going to catch up to, you know, the cost is just doing this. You're going to need a down payment of what, 20% or something. Okay, what do you have? 200 grand? That's not enough. Maybe it is, but then your loan is 700 grand. Because it's a, you know, what's the interest on that? What do you pay it? What are you paying $4 grand a month? You can't, it's just done. So, like, good Lord, you know what I mean? Like, how does this, obviously isn't sustainable, but it's like, I wish I could, you know, provide. If I had the money, I'd like, bitch just build, like, we'll just have barracks everywhere, which is what happened in the 20s and 30s when the, there were guys living in houses, 30 guys, maybe not 30, but like a house,

bigger, you know, and there's a bunch of dudes living there. They all work at the coal mine, whatever. And it was like, it's all we can afford. And, you know, what's old is new again in that way. So, yeah, you just, I can't do everything, but I can, you know, do what you can do around you, whatever is within range, you know, you can mow your own lawn, you can help the guy across the street do his, and it's infectious. And it's infectious. And so is fear. So you just choose, you know, which one you want to, you know, commit to. That's why, you know, people get mad at the, you know, the black pillars and the, I get it to,

like, oh, it's over, forget it, it's all. Well, then just shut up and go away. Like, you're just the guy in the hall being like, it's over, we're due. Like, you're even to be alien, or aliens, the second one. Bill Paxton, he just passed away a few years ago.

This came over, man. It's came over. There are animals, man. How are they open the doors? He's like, freaking out. They're like, get all to yourself. It's like, yeah, like, that's not helping. Right. Freaking out.

Like, oh, you're right. We should be terrified. Like, this is not increasing my odds of survival. at all. What's going to happen is going to happen? You're making it worse. It was actually a crime and like, I think up to World War II. It was called defeatism. It was like you'll charge you. You could get, I don't know if anybody was shot over it, but you get in a lot of trouble and be like, you shut up and keep it yourself. And that was kind of the culture in the army, which is like a double-edged, you know, guys, you know, take that home with them too much

and they don't ever complain. And they just die because they don't want to burden anybody. they don't want to feel like I've had to stop the formation because my back hurts my knee oh poor me everybody's back hurts everybody's having a good so why am I special and then they end up you know they don't make it but when you're you know in the fight it's like you know who suck yeah it does we're all wet we're all cold we're all tired yes this is not helping so just shut up if you don't have anything you know helpful to say so it's just you know it brings the other guys down around you it's not helpful. But it's also, it's kind of in that internal, you know, fight. Again, you learn

so many great things in the Army, which is a terrible place to learn sometimes, but that kind of, that fight is everything inside your own head when it sucks. It's easy when everything's fine, nice, sunny day. When you're like, okay, this is really horrible and I don't want to do this anymore, now you're working, because now it's a choice every second you continue is something you're putting yourself through and you can just leave. You can quit anytime you want. You know, nobody's forced you to be here. You can just say, I, quit, I'm quitting the army, I don't want to, okay, we can do that, you know. But when you go, okay, well, it's not helping to complain. If I just, I know it's terrible, but I'm going to

just choose to start to try to think the other way and find reasons to continue and find, you know, reasons to gas the guy's up or whatever it is. If you have to get angry, it doesn't matter, that's more conducive to winning. And then if you just, you know, you do that long enough, you might find out, you'll end up in a better place. It actually, that happened to me. I did a special forces selection when I was 23 C-sor and it was like a week of just punishment. It was awful. And there was a guy, a friend of mine

from down home who was there and just tough guy, great guy and was always like, boy, this is easy. I don't even know what's wrong with you. Tired? Rory with you. And then afterwards when we were done, his girlfriend was on the phone with him. He was like, he was crying. He was hiding it from us being this bravado thing and then, you know,

we were all suffering. But I was like, man, I'm I got to a point in my head, like, I'm not going to make this. It was like the last day and we're going and going. It's like, there might be another 20 kilometers of this. And I'm like, I'm literally spent. I'm toast. I'm screwed. It's over. And, you know, they didn't want me to quit and all this kind of stuff. And I thought, well, I'm just, I just kind of committed to like, well, I'm probably going to just collapse of them exhaustion or like, I don't know. Like, I was that kind of, you know, messed up. But your body's like, you need to stop. Right. I was like, I'm just going to push through that and go, well, I'm going to go out in an ambulance then. Whatever, it is what it is. And I stopped caring about if I was going to make it or not.

I was just like, just go till the wheels fall off and whew. And then surprisingly, you know, another however many hours it was, it was over. I was like, oh? I'd forgotten about the stuff because I was like trying to fight this, you know, urge to, you know, give up and all this kind of stuff. And it was like, just let it go and just put one foot in front of the other and just, you know, accept that it's horrible. And yeah, maybe you will. Maybe you will pass out.

But, you know, just go anyway. And there's a lot of power in that kind of, your mental state and how you choose to internalize, think about it and view things is huge. And without, you know, that experience in the Army, I don't know. I probably would not have survived the last, you know, because again, like when I was in jail,

it's like you're in here for stuff that didn't happen. And there's, everyone's lying about you, and you've got no, you're in a box, you can't talk, no one cares what you have to say. I have no lawyer. I have no money. I'm like, you know. The world is over. Yeah.

You know, and then I got angry about it. Fuckers. You know, I said, oh, we'll see. You learn to, you know, try to find ways to, you know, fight through it mentally. And, yeah, I lost my train of thought. There I got. Well, I tell you what, we've been going for a while. And I appreciate you.

let me in. Yeah, of course. And I'll be curious what I said coming here. He's on the phone with my wife and I was saying, well, one thing for sure. My life could be over tomorrow. I chuckle. I said that, you know, there, you know, of all the people I've talked to in the 1100 plus episodes I've interviewed people, you're the only one, only one that people have warned me never to talk to again. I don't mean that as a feather in anyone's cat. Just that, you know, I'm like, well, why? And there are certain, you know, certain things that have happened through your last five years that I'm like, well, I can understand why people see that, right?

But I'm coming to Nova Scotia, I was like the one guy I knew before all convoy broke out as I interviewed you once. And I've interviewed you a few times since then. I believe. It's probably the third, I think. Yeah, somewhere right now, third or fourth. Yeah. I mean, it's been a long time since I've, I don't normally like, lots of people are like, you know, I don't care to talk to, you know.

Sure. I don't care to, obviously, like, CBC, they're always like, they'll say, we need a comment by the end of the day Tuesday, or we need a comment by 6 p.m. on Tuesday. And they sent the email at, like, Tuesday at 5, you know, 45 p.m. or something, it's like, give me a friend. You know, I don't, you know, they're just, they're not good faith. And then, you know, there's not that many people that are like just reasonable norm, like, right? But I have all the time in the world for them. If they are, I'm not hiding from anybody. They act like, you know, I'm just here.

You know, I'm not hard to find. And they act like this, I'm hiding in this whole thing. I'm like, nope. Well, I'd like to see you. I'll go to your protest and stand on the stage and say, thanks for coming. Just to make a point. Like, I'm not scared of any of you. None of you are going to do anything.

Like, do you have any idea how difficult it is to do and carry? all this stuff and staying here. Like, you think you're brave? Ganging up on one guy. I could have brought a hundred guys here. I came here with Morgan just to make a point. And I walked in and walked out, you know, good luck. Good luck with your ego recovering from that.

You can think all kinds of things about themselves. Have I ever? No, you won't. No, you won't. Yeah, it's been a ride. Yeah, a lot of people will talk about you, but they won't talk to you. And I just, like you were saying with the Alberta thing and the Got Bones, People will just, they've already made up their minds a lot of the time.

And I don't, I'm not going to bother. Because if they've already met up their minds, they know what they think, they know what they want, they're not, you know, they're just looking for a reason to hate you anyway. But if there's anybody who's like, I just actually want to know what the hell's going on. Yeah, sure. No problem. You know, I'm not, I'm not hiding anything. It's just easier. Yeah.

Like the stuff, the RCMP stuff, like, oh, you shut the feds. And they like, it's all there. It's all, there's all, it's all open. It was not a secret court. You could have came any day. Like, we were grilling cops. and catch them in lies. And one guy was like almost in tears.

And there was some good days. And there was Dr. Strang had a nervous breakdown. It was like yelling at our lawyer and how dare you? And like all that. It was like, this is great TV and there's nobody here. And then they'd show up for the last day to, you know, say, oh, there was no political interference. They said, because the judge was like, oh, well, the police don't lie.

We just produced you proof that they lied. But she said, yeah, but they don't. Oh, well, what do we need you for then? We took the police don't lie. Well, why are you here? Why do we just get judge dread to just judge jury execution. or from now on, I'll do it. Well, what I want to do with you is one of the things we started up, I used to do it,

and I didn't like it when it was virtual. It was really tough to do, but in person, it seems like it's easier. I must prefer the, you know. Well, as do I. And we do, we do bonus questions. So what we're going to do is we're going to stop. We're going to go over to Substack. We're going to have a few fun ones.

To me, they're light. I think they're light. I always wait, like somebody's going to ask me the bit, and they never do. Oh, well, what's your favorite candy? I'm like, nah. Well, what's the hard question? I don't know. I'm just, well, I tell you what, we're going to switch over to substack, and then I'm going to,

that's going to be the first thing I do. So we'll take a pause here. This is the teaser entitled. That's right. You don't have to subscribe to substack because it's going to be bad. Well, I tell you what, if you're at two hours and 18 minutes into this or roughly. You might as well. You might as well.

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