Shaun Newman Podcast - #220 - MSM Anita Krishna

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

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She has worked in the radio and TV broadcast business for over 20 years. She's worked as a news talk show producer, an on-air host, and reporter. She's worked for three Canadian networks and cable as well. She currently works directing local TV news broadcasts. I'm talking about Anita Krishna. So buckle up. Here we go. I'm Anita Krishna. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by Anita Krishna. So first off, thanks for hopping on. Oh, you're so welcome. Thanks for having me. What I'm laughing at is, you know, for a lady who's been around TV for most of her life, you're nervous. And I never thought that would happen. I just assume you'd walk on and own the camera. I, you know what? I perpetually look nervous. Even though I'm not nervous, I just look like this all the time.

It's just, that's how I am. But I don't feel nervous. But maybe we should be nervous. I don't know. People like to say that I should be nervous about having conversations. But I think as society, we've got to be pretty nervous if what I'm talking about is all of a sudden being outlawed or whatever else. Or if I get hauled off, I think that should be a pretty big red flag to most people. Me too.

Me too. Yeah. Now, yeah, you got to tell, you got to tell the fine folks that are listening a little bit about yourself, Anita, so they can get a feel for who you are and a little bit of your background. Okay. First of all, I just always look like this a little bit, whoo, jumpy or whatever, but that's just how I am. But anyway, okay, so I've been working in television. I mean, honestly, since I was 18 years old, I was hosting cable shows and stuff like that. So that goes way back. But my first real official job in television was started in 1997. So I've been working for news, basically. I don't do like talk shows. Well, we have talk shows and stuff like that. But I don't do stuff. other types of production. I've just normally worked in news, local news for a long time. But I did go off and do a number of other things. Like I was an entertainment reporter. I lived in New Zealand briefly and I was a producer there. I produced like a morning show, like a fun morning show, light, not newsy. And then I went to work for a radio New Zealand. And that was more serious. So that was like serious, like a CBC type of stuff. Right. So I was a producer there. I worked at City TV. I've just worked in this business for a really long time now.

So it's 1997. Like it's a long time ago, right? Since I really, really started. Yeah. So I guess the first thing I'd be curious about then is over your 24 years then, has there been a change in your opinion and how, you know, like you go back 24 years. We didn't have any social media, you know, you weren't, I mean, there wasn't. podcast. We weren't doing this 24 years ago. So obviously the landscape of news and journalism has changed quite a bit. You would have got to see that firsthand. How has it changed maybe from your standpoint from, you know, being in it for 24? Well, it's so different now. I guess, I mean, back in the, like I've always been part of the crew. So I'm a director or I was an assistant director. I sit in the newsroom and I listen.

to what everybody's doing around me, the people that are gathering the news. And of course, back in the day, well, how are you doing things? You were on the phone. You were on the beat. You were looking things of things in newspapers. You were digging. You were like a bloodhound, like the really good reporters. They would get a tip on something. They were in the know. They were friends with the, they knew the cops. Like they knew everybody. You're always out in the community digging. And so a lot of it was like phone based. Like you're on the phone. You're working the phones, right? Or people are calling in the newsroom, hey, I got a tip on this, a tip on that. At the time I started, we had volunteer student researchers.

And so I was like a researcher in the newsroom. So the news director or assignment editor is say, okay, well, we want to work on somebody emailed. Here's a story. Find out if it's any good. So you'd call them and you'd talk to the people and digging. So there was a lot of digging because you had to dig because not everything was at your fingertips. So do-do-do-do like sort of fast forward. That changed.

And like when all the businesses started tweeting, then you could sit there and now people, which is fine. I guess that's the way it goes now. But now it's like, oh, the RCMP tweeted this. Oh, hydro tweeted this. So now tweet, tweet, tweet. You can just maybe you're not digging as hard because it's coming to you. And also video is coming to you.

So back in the day you hear about a fire, camera. guy goes in the truck, shoots the fire, brings back the footage, or sends the footage in. Now, sometimes we don't need to do that. Somebody's shooting it on their phone and you email it in or send it into us, right? So news gathering has changed. And maybe it makes it easier. Maybe that makes it more transparent if you're getting the official word from organizations tweeting at you. Maybe. I'm sure. I don't know, right? Maybe there's a lack of digging. now. I don't know. I can't. I don't know. I'm sure people are still digging. But that's what I've seen change. With the internet, do-do-do, type in whatever, find out whatever. You want to chase somebody.

You want to get an interview with somebody from a certain community. See if they're on Facebook. You can find people really fast nowadays. So that's, that's good. I would say that part of it is good. Now there's pros and cons in what you just talked about because there's something to be said about doing a little digging and right now it feels like if you do any digging you're kind of penalized for it because nobody wants you to do any digging on what's going on anywhere right now it's kind of while we're seeing the censorship and and some of the prominent doctor well i mean doctors in general if unless they say one thing they're kind of railroaded lots of people railroaded right now it's it's a strange strange time well never in our lifetimes have we seen

this. And I'm not sure how many people know that this is going on. What you and what we're talking about is like censorship and stuff like that. Right. Like, you know, people's voices are being shut in a way. If somebody doesn't like what you have to say, you'll get yanked off YouTube. You know, like got yanked last week, Anita. Did you? For the, for, it's the third time. My interview with Todd Kenyon, who's a marine biologist, got Yank for medical misinformation. And why? Is it because you named something? Yeah, we talked about several different things.

I actually, of all the interviews, I've done, I thought it was, I don't know, harmless. Yeah. Like, I don't know at this point. But, yeah, the YouTube thing, I've felt personally multiple times now. Yes. And you are not alone. Like many, many podcasters who are just talking. are getting yanked. How is that? What is happening? So it's only this past year, only like, well,

you know, the past 20 months, like since the pandemic started. No, no, no, it's only this year that I've noticed the yanking, the censoring, the fact checkers, right? There's one message that people want you to hear. Somebody wants you to hear. And anybody with another message, bye, bye, you said something we don't like so you're off. Now what that's dangerous. That's wrong. And I don't think do people know that that's happening? Um, hmm, that's a good question. Does a lot of public know? I think a lot of people know it's happening. But when it's, you know, the YouTube, the Twitter of the world, these aren't the, I don't even know, the local mayor or something trying to censor some dissent in the town. Like, you're talking like giant, beyond giant.

So what do you do when YouTube starts pulling things? I don't know. Like, I have no idea. What do you do? Like, what does the general population do? Now you have to find other means. So a lot of people go to other things. 100%.

rumble, odyssey, bit shoot, people. What is going on that we have to do that? Who is doing this to us? And why, here's what I think. I don't know, like I live in a world where I work for mainstream media. So I live in this world, right? So this is one world over here where we, there's a narrative. There's, we report certain things.

I don't even know what's going on in that world. but sometimes I'm in that world. I'm like, this is not making a lot of sense to me, you know, but okay, I'm down if you're down. If you're telling me this, I want to trust you. Okay, I want to trust you. So, okay, so let me, but you know, in my heart, I don't, I feel weird, right? And then in the other world, there's another world. There's a world on YouTube in a world where we can Google stuff or sometimes we're not

Googling things. We're using other search engines and stuff like that. So there's another world full of. of people that are making sense to me. Those people are making sense to me and speaking from the heart. And they make sense, but their voices are not heard. And so I got this world and I got this world. And I'm like, what that?

Oh, and I'm running in the middle. And I think I'm running to hell or something. I don't know where this is going. But this is the most dangerous time I think I've seen in my life. And I'm not alone. and I know you've talked to people that feel the same way. Yeah, lots of the guests that come on here. I know I got lots of listeners who text the open line, so to speak.

I don't know if that's what it's called now, but anyways. That's very old school. Yeah. You should go call or are you there? I remember that? I certainly do. Okay. Well, I just, when you talk about the old way of doing it, you know, you get a text or an email,

and then you got to like follow up on it. That's that's pretty much how I run the phone call. Like back in the old day, phone call. Yeah, I love a good phone call. There's nothing that gets to the heart of an issue quicker than a quick phone call to go, wow, that guy is crazy or, huh, that was interesting. That sounds like they had something there. And then you get to follow up on it.

That's, I enjoy that. And I think, I don't know, when it comes to what you're talking about, it's just after the first, I don't even know what it is. For some people, it was three months. You know, I'm going back to 2020. For some people, three months, for another, it was six, for another it was eight, for another it's a year. For some, it's right now, just as the message hasn't changed,

like it hasn't changed on our, on our mainstream media's, our major networks, just hasn't changed. We'll start going like, do they realize we can literally just like there's, you know, there's this really Uber popular guy. And, you know, I always. show some of my cards, but like, I really like Joe Rogan. And the thing about him and the CNN going back and forth is got to be the most odd thing I think I've ever seen in my life to the point where Saturday Night Live just had a skit

about Big Bird taking advice from Joe Rogan and Joe Logan and all these psilocybin and like they just, you know, and horse dewormer and all these crazy things. And you go, like, does nobody on that side even like want to understand what? Joe Rogan was talking about or they just don't care because it hurts what they've been talking about for the last year. That could be it. That could be it. It defies the narrative. But who cares about the narrative? Why do you care? Why is one side digging their heels in that much to to neglect the other side? I don't know. You're in the bubble. I don't understand it. I mean, you've got to help me try and make sense of it because, you know, like, I'm in there. I walk around there. I don't even know.

Something. I don't even know. But you know what? I'll promise you this. I'll go ask. I tried to ask the other day. I always speak up at work and like, okay, here, okay. So this is where this is, okay, all the last year in 2020, right? When this all started, I was just like, okay, well, I just follow along. I put the public health officials on TV. I, direct those press conferences. So I'm listening like, you know, like, okay, what can I go get a beer? What's going on? Right? Like that's the extent of how worried I was back then, right? And then I was like, can I go to this concert? What's going on? Like it was just very inconsequential stuff I was worried about. And I just did my thing. I did all the things I was told to do. And then I just listened.

And I was waiting for our public health officials to give us some guidance or some. I started to get frustrated. I was like, are you going to tell me anything different? Because for six months, you've been telling me to wash my hands and stay away from people. I've been doing that my whole life, what are you going to tell me about what's going on with all these small businesses being shut down, with all these lives being destroyed, with locking people up in old folks' homes, pressing through the glass to visit people? Is that really the best way that you can think of to mitigate the spread of COVID-19? That is the most creative thing that you could think of is touching behind glass, I can think of five things you can do where you can put your arms around

your mother if she's in a care home and shame on you for not thinking that, of thinking of that. You should be creative as a medical profession, right? You can't think of a better way to do things. You can't, you're not talking about the data. I started to get super frustrated at the end of the year because it was clear when you looked at, I guess, the Chinese data and the stuff coming from Italy that older people were dying. And it matters. that older people are dying because we're going to be old one day. So we want to look after these people. So do whatever you can to look after them because door dash them, get them their groceries, use your government taxpayer money to look after the people. For the rest of us that

maybe are not as much in risk, I think our lives should go on as normal, but maybe some protective measures, right? Like, I don't know, but you don't decimate someone's livelihood over this, but maybe we didn't notice so much in 2020 because you got the serve. So people are like, oh, I got the serve, but even the serve wasn't cutting it for certain businesses, right? So 2020 was a gigantic mess, and I think our public health officials should apologize to us around the world for how bad they have. handled everything. Okay, so that was that. That was 2020. It wasn't until 2021 that I started listening to certain podcasts, and there was only 2021 that I discovered the laboratory in Wuhan.

And I was like, there's a what? There's a laboratory in Wuhan that studies back coronaviruses. It's a BSL level four laboratory. They have four laboratories. They have four laboratories. They're level one, level two, level three, level four. They have a bunch over there, but that one. And when I would go to work and I'd be like, I'd tell my friends at work, I'd be like, there's a laboratory that studies bat coronaviruses. Hey, do you think, and it's in Wuhan, do you think that perhaps this virus came from there? And they'd all go like this, they'd go, nah.

Everybody went, nah, everybody rolled their eyes in my face. And I had an argument with my best friend who is the nicest, sweetest, most kindhearted woman. And she's like, Anita, you can't go around saying that kind of thing. You're going to sound racist. I'm not racist. How is that even remotely racist? I think it's racist to say somebody ate a bat. I think that sounds awful, right?

I don't know. So anyway, I felt at that point, I felt like I don't understand humanity. I don't understand any of some of my friends for rolling their eyes at me at something that seems so obvious. I don't know. What do you think about that part, the lab part? Well, I didn't, you know, in the early going, and maybe it was the wrong mentality, but I was like, I don't know how it coming from a lab does anything to what's happening out in the population. Maybe they could have been like, oh, these are the ways it's going to, like maybe knowing the origin, all of a sudden changes everything. It helps.

It probably helps. Yeah. But once it's rolling through the countryside, you know, and in fact, and grandma and grandpa and your brother, your sister, whoever, I'm just like, okay, we need to adopt solutions here pretty quick. Now, for a lot of people, the vaccine, they hear that and they go, just get the vaccine. But then the deeper you dive into all the data, you start pulling out some things that make a lot of sense. like, well, kids and children

and everything else under about age 20. And I mean, you don't have to, you can extrapolate through the decades as much as you want. You just,

you just start to see that, oh, this isn't a pandemic of killing kids. It just isn't. Like, it just isn't. And for me,

I don't know. I want to protect my community. I've been a community-minded person all my life. And what you're talking about with you and your best friend, and I'm kind of hopping from subject to subject here. But that's been to me the hardest one to watch is the friends go at it, the families go at it. Because we all want to be so right instead of just finding a way to like understand everybody's situation and that we've been always, I think we've been taught to think for ourselves. And right now that's not good enough.

That's just not good enough. And so it's been, it's been really interesting to watch, hard to watch. Yeah. But I mean, go back to what you're talking about with Wuhan and the lab and everything. That's where it all starts. If you're willing not to talk about that as a news source because you're worried about how it's going to, you know, racism and everything else. Well, that's where it starts. And if that's the jumping off point, I mean, look at the narrative that's on the one side right now, safe, effective,

the vaccine. Yeah. It's open to five to 11 year olds, which I have a five year old. Let me tell you. I'm not exactly thrilled about that. It's safe, effective, get them vaccine. And it's like, no, no, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And there's, you know, like, I'm not saying I have to clear this point every time I bring it up. I'm not telling anyone to not get vaccine. I'm not telling anyone to get vaccine. I'm saying do whatever you think you need to do. But you have to understand you should respect my thoughts. Like that's the whole point. That's the whole point of everything we're doing.

Sorry, that's a little long and I'm winding. You're getting me jumping from that. No, no. No. Just to just, yeah, just to finish off the lab thing, I would say that it is important where this came from because it matters, because this kind of testing is going on all over the world. And right now, this virus, as I'm told, has a 1% mortality.

rate, but then they could make a virus that would have 10%, 15%, and then that could get out. So where this came from matters. So the fact that people that I couldn't speak about that, I one time did bring that up in the newsroom and that was shot down right away. And I started to get a little punchy about it. But then I just ended the conversation. I'm like, which is very much unlike me, but I was like, I got to shut this down because obviously I'm wrong.

I'm not wrong. I don't think I'm wrong on that. But anyway, that's why it matters where it came from. because things matter. Okay, now it's out here. Anyway, once people started to literally shit on me, anytime I brought up the lab or roll their eyes at me, or even Fauci's involvement in that,

and anybody can go look that up, all those emails, the funding, Peter Dash. Why don't people? That's probably the more interesting question, Anita, is why did you go look it up? But other people in your profession won't go look it up. They don't go look it up. Even if you send them a video, I mean, I work with people on the crew, so they're not the news gatherers, right?

So I did send some videos just really about the lab. Because this is one of the guys that rolled his eyes at me, and he never watched the video because I asked him. So people are not interested. We've been told to stay home and watch Netflix and DoorDash and not go to the gym. can't go to the gym. It's not essential. Yeah, so we, and it is absolutely essential. And so we are creating a big, big health risk.

So I think it was that fight with my friend that made me look into all this. And I can, yeah. There's nothing more confirming. I don't know the word, like, there's nothing you can do that is like, but see it for yourself. When you see, like, just go to the government. government websites and like look at some of the stuff and just do some simple math and like just see oh oh yeah 74% have cor morbidities what's a coromorbidity? Ooh yeah type oh oh oh yeah being so what is it being a bit older or not our overweight

not to shame anybody but but that's but that's that's that's part of where we're at in society right now is we're so worried about hurting anyone's feelings yeah is that you know like No, heaven forbid we talk about anything right now. And it's like, yeah. But are we worried about hurting people's feelings? People are pretty mean on Twitter, even though I don't go on there. I've started to read some stuff. We're worried about hurting certain groups of people's feelings and not of others.

Yeah, true, true. That is true. When it comes to certain areas of public debate on Twitter, let's say, if you're vaccinated or unvaccinated, that argument, you can say whatever the hell you want you can you can damn them to hell and everybody will applaud you for it yeah it's a wild thing yeah now if you're talking uh um the gender you know the different genders and things like that completely taboo don't don't even talk about it which is like whatever i could care less just that right now the biggest thing influencing your life my life everybody's life is this little thing called COVID-19 that we're only allowed to have one narrative talk about. And if you

talk out of line of that, you're a conspiracy theorist, you're a quack, you're pulled from everything. And it's like, really? I know, this is just so true. I think people call you a conspiracy theorist to shut you up, that you're a tin hat wearing tin foil hat wearing conspiracy and nut job. And it just makes you be quiet. Well, I would just say to people, don't be quiet because there are a lot of people self-censoring themselves, right? A lot of people are not speaking up because you're so scared of the, of the, what's it, the wolves coming to eat you or something, right? Like if you say, hey, I have a question, right? Like, I'm not allowed to have a question. And I know we're going to talk, I know we want to get into the, well, that we should talk about the vaccines, right? But apart from that, I have never

seen people demonize people doing their own research. That is absolutely shunned in, I'm sorry to say, in mainstream. Like, we mock people that do their own research. What do you want me to do? Go to the library. Is that what you want me to do? I've been told that I read too much. Think about that. Well, who the hell told you that? I can't even say, because I'll get, I'll get damn for bringing up. But it doesn't matter. It was somebody higher up than me in the food chain, in my opinion, and just said, I read too much. And what are you to make of that, then? Are you supposed to live in ignorance? Well, that brings you back to the matrix, you know, and cipher. I just want to be put back in so I can just, you know, not have to worry about anything anymore. And it's like, I don't know. I, I always say, yeah, I always say I really, really, really hope I'm wrong about everything.

Me too. I've dragged my feet, Anita. You know, if people have been along for the ride, I mean, in January, I was still interviewing, well, I was trying to be light and jovial. And, you know, and it was in June that we biked from Lloyd to Tuffel and back a thousand kilometers and raised a bunch of money for schools and kids. And like, listen, I haven't approached this with this amount of ferocity, in my opinion, like having, interview after interview after interview on it until about two months ago. And then finally I just hit a point where I'm like, like, listen, this is not going away, unless we get more people to understand it is not going away and then try and find a way out of it.

Yeah. The time is now. The time is right now because now, first of all, you should really be skeptical of a vaccine that has come that quickly. I'm sorry. don't rip my head off right but like to people who might rip you off the internet or whatever you need to be skeptical because those clinical trials you you takes at least two to three years to do them and they haven't done them properly they have they have um rush those through with bad bad consequences that are also not being come to life okay so uh there's i'm going to just

read you there's a girl. I mean, if I, there's a girl that did a clinical trial. Her name is Maddie, something I can get her name in a second. She's 12 years old and she wanted to do one of those clinical trials because of probably watching so much news, she just felt awful and she wanted to do her part to help. So she told her parents, I want to be in the Pfizer clinical trial, right? So she went in the trial and the next, I'm trying to find her name. And the next day, her mother's name is Stephanie. And if you Google or search up vaccine, injury, Stephanie, she'll come up. I don't know. Her name's Maddie. But anyway, okay, she took the vaccine and in 21 hours, she 21 hours later, her whole body shut down. Her body shut down.

She just had her neurological function went. She's in a wheelchair right now and she has a feeding tube. And the parents have been doing everything they can. Pfizer has not really been that helpful towards them at all when I have I've seen stuff like that evidence of that and now what she's like crippled and they're like you know and she's not the only one there are loads of people in a clinical trial that had adverse effects that we are not reporting and anybody can look that up anybody can look that up so that scares me but then also there's been tons of people that have taken the vaccine and they've been fine I don't know what to say about that but I I I say that you respect anyone that has doubts and fears and you treat them with some sympathy

rather than with tyranny. That's what I would say. Yeah, the, the, uh, I always said when it came to the vac, it's not like, it's not like you walk outside and people are falling over and their skins melting off and like, it's like, obviously it's not, you know, but in saying that, the way they report statistics, I should probably never know or, or, you know, or, it's like, obviously, it's not, you know, it'd be extremely rare for me to know anyone that's had an adverse reaction. And maybe I need to have somebody on that and it's dealt with vaccines all their lives because I now know, I think it's four people that have had Bell's palsy, you know, and it's, you know, and they just say, well, it was a simple medication. I get it and I'm fine. And I'm like, it spells palsy.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. To me, that seems, I don't know. That's slightly paralyzing, right? It paralyzes your face. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Are they back okay now or? Yeah, they took a bunch of medication and I just think of all the stuff you had to put in

your body to get it back to where it was. I mean, but there's just constantly more and more things coming out where, you know, like is everybody dropping dead? No. Some people are fine and they swear by it. Yeah, absolutely. So fine. So it's fine.

You know, I interviewed a guy named Brady Leavold. He was a hockey player who ended up living on Hastings Street. And you can imagine some of the things he's seen. And he's had addiction problems. And he's pulled himself back together. He has a podcast and that type of thing. Oh, I've heard of this guy. Yeah, yeah.

And so I've interviewed him. And one of the things he put out, because he obviously had addiction problems. He said, never forget the FDA approved OxyContin for 12-year-olds as a safe, effective, and non-addictive drug. It was only after 500,000 Americans died with hundreds of thousands of more still addicted before pharma and the FDA finally were held accountable. Yeah. And it says now Purdue pharmaceuticals is now prohibited from producing opioids ever again,

but it doesn't bring your children back. And when I read that, I'm like, yeah, like, we're... I just feel like there's red flags kind of every... right now. And normally we're trained to look at those. And everybody right now doesn't give a shit. Literally, I just want to go back to going to Mexico, uh, hockey games, entertainment. Just let me have life back. And it's, it's, it's, it's really interesting to watch. But in the meantime, government is allowed to make lives extremely hard for a small portion of the population now, right it's and it just gets cranked up all the time and now with five to 11 year olds

becoming open like i'd read a story on uh porto rico um talking they have five to 11 year old shots yeah and the same things happen in the schools of five to 11 year olds that we're seeing with 12 18 the shaming uh teach you know um yeah interactions among students you know like and and that's we're about to expose all of our kids to over again. Yeah. And a lot of people, just by sheer peer pressure and wanting to go to a concert or something, want to get jabbed. And my son was one of them. My 15-year-old son absolutely wanted to get this vaccine. And I said, you are young, you are healthy. If you get COVID, chances are you're probably going to sail

right through it, right? Maybe, maybe not. Then the joke's on us if it's not, right? But, But you know what? I am betting that with your immunity and your health, you are going to be okay. I don't see why you need this vaccine. And I begged and pleaded. I did everything sort of throwing myself in front of the injection woman to stop this. I couldn't stop it. He's allowed to do it.

And so he is double vaccinated with Pfizer, right? My cousin, 25-year-old cousin, healthy young man, got Pfizer in July of this year. and in August became paralyzed. This is my wonderful, gorgeous cousin, my mom's brother's son. He got Gan Bar syndrome directly after. But the funny thing is everybody's like, well, what is it? Where did this come from? Like, nobody is making a connection that, hey, you know what?

That's probably from the vaccine. And if you look that up, you will see that that is one of the side effects, that can happen. And then you'll see story after story of young men that, that has happened to. So when I talked to him, I said, what the heck happened? And he goes, well, the doctors won't tell me if the vaccine triggered this. He goes, I don't know, right? So he was paralyzed for a while, walking on a walker, but he's getting better. He said to me he's 90% better now he thinks. I certainly hope so. And that he's just lost some feeling in his feet. So don't tell me there are no adverse side side effects what if that was a permanent paralysis are are is is mainstream not

allowed or do you guys report on that maybe you do i i have i have not um said that to my work but i want to i want to just scream it out to them and also my friend's wife took a shot of fiser and nearly died in the chair beside him instantly and so her doctor told him not to told her not to get the second shot. So she's running around trying to get exemptions. Oh, so that maybe she can go to a gym and go sit in a restaurant and they wanted to travel and stuff like that. That's why they wanted them wanted to get it. But it nearly killed her. I will tell my work about that too. And there's one thing. And now the reason we have to speak up is because they are coming for children. So this is from the BC CDC. This is our

CDC, right? Okay. Most children are at low risk for acquiring COVID-19. And if they do, they most commonly have mild or no symptoms. Among five to 17-year-olds in BC, there have been 94 hospitalizations, 10 critical care admissions, and no deaths, okay? No deaths from COVID-19 from January 2020. to October 12th, 2021.

Rising case rates among children in BC since late summer 2021 have not translated to a significant increase in hospitalizations. So I ask you, why on earth would you jab your child? It is not the job of children to protect the adult. 100%. When I listened to the FDA, you know, they got the eight-hour roundtable where they voted 17 to 0 and 1 abstained, I believe. When I listened to it, there was a couple doctors that made points that made somewhat sense to me in that they were saying their job isn't to decide whether a government mandates it for all the kids to get or how society deals with it. Their job is to deem whether or not it should be available for a parent if they feel their child has immunocompromised or what have you to help protect them and so that's why a bunch of the

doctors didn't vote it down because they go we hope it doesn't get mandated to whatever we need to have it so that parents have the option of getting it for their kids and to me it seem like the most honestly it seemed reasonable to me i was like huh that's that rate there seems reasonable but that brings it back to it's your choice like you should have choice and i'm just curious to see how this rolls out once they have the five to 11 um everywhere if it's if the narrative says listen parents you have choice don't worry about this or if they continue to do what they've been doing you know to the point where there's ringed in Saskatchewan where if you're 12 and above,

you need to have a vaccine passport to get in. Think about that. That's fucked up. Absolutely. Yeah. Could maybe our public health officials tell me why and show me some data on why that is necessary for a 12 to 18 year old?

What is going on here? And now they're coming for children aggressively. We are coming for children. We are coming for children. What is this? about it's not about your choice it's it wasn't it your whole life it was your body your choice that's what people fought for roe v wade and all that you can you have the right to die do you not you have the right to make all these decisions i don't take Tylenol i don't like it it doesn't work for me

i don't take a lot of medication it doesn't work for me i don't take a flu shot i don't want this and i'm mad about it because i think there's something very serious sinister going on and that this is not about public health at all because if this was about public health you wouldn't be so tyrannical about it this is about public health but at what cost it's about public health but if it was about public health you would deem a fucking gym as essential like you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that we need to get people moving and outside and like I don't know. Once again, I always come back to your occupation and what you, so I always, I gotta be honest, I don't watch, I don't want mainstream anymore at all. Because I'm just like it doesn't,

yeah, like it just, it doesn't do anything. Like I don't get it's designed to scare you to death. Right, because fear sells. Like it really does. And so I'm trying to figure out why on top of, listen, vaccines are eligible, are available for everybody. why we aren't making gyms essential, why we aren't allowing all minor hockey sports to be played, like find a mask anyway. Find a way. Yeah. Why we aren't talking about healthy lifestyles and like, listen, here's a trend that's going on in COVID.

It's bad. So if you want to maybe reduce your risk, because no, the next thing that, I mean, Fauci and them are already talking about, like, booster. are coming. Like, oh, yes. They're seeing it as an essential part for everyone because they're falling Israel's data. And what does Israel say? Well, they're starting to see all age groups in the hospital and not being, you know, all of it waning. Which means if you don't, yeah, yeah. If you don't get the, the booster shot. Yeah. You're just like the rest of us. And that means your healthy lifestyle and everything else you've been doing, pushed and talked about. Like a lot.

lot. Of course. Of course. Exercise, move your body, get your fitness down up to the level that, the best level you can. Go for a walk outside. Take some vitamin D. Take some zinc. And if our medical health officials cared about us, when you get COVID, you, they would give you medicines to treat you. They would give you drugs to treat you. And there are a lot of drugs and Trump named one of them. And I know that that works. And along with, you know, Dr. Peter McCullough. will give you a list of drugs that will work. And those drugs are like not available and doctors can't even prescribe. Just go to the FLCCC or the CCCA in Canada.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. You do once again, you do a little bit of digging and you can find these different protocols. And once again, I'll say this a thousand times. I'm no doctor.

Me neither. Not trying to tell you what to do with your life. But it is interesting that there are things coming up that make a lot of sense that you folks won't report on. If I do, I'm censored for it. Yeah. Right. So if somebody is sick with COVID, you don't go home and then just wait it out, give you some treatment and you might get better. I mean, I don't know really what monoclonal antibodies are, but I certainly heard that that works. I've heard the drug I won't name that people, everybody thinks that's a horse dewormer. And it is not, it is something you can get in a tablet form and you should probably take 12

milligrams tablet of it. I feel like I'm in an episode of Harry Potter where we're not allowed to say Lord Voldemort. It's, it's Ivermectin. Are you allowed to say it? Yeah. I don't know. I don't really give a damn. Like to me, it's a word.

Exactly. It's a medication that could probably save you or heal you. It just, it's funny. It's like by not saying it, we're purging ourselves. of the sin. It's come on. Like, I mean, it's just a, it's just a, it's just another drug that is popular right now that looks like, you know, it could have done some real good for a lot of people. Yeah. Instead of them like doing something with it, they suppressed it. Yeah. And because you can't get it, that's why people run to the veterinary store to get the paste. And then that's why they're

being mocked and made fun of and ha ha. Look at you, you big dummy. When really look at India, they give out ivermectin kits. They give out COVID. kits and they really like brought it down because it's a very very good drug and why anybody would criticize a drug is beyond me isn't it yeah beyond yeah well when you say you know uh can't remember if you use the word insidious but i always say nefarious right like something just i don't know like once again you're in the world that Whether or not people are moving away from it and moving to different ways, like CBC is giant. The different news sources across Canada are giant, like for the big cities.

I mean, I've talked a lot about this on here that the rural versus urban population, while in Canada, it's like 83% of people live in a city. So chances are there's a huge chunk that's still getting their news from the primary sources, which is the mainstream sites. And to me, this is where it gets philosophical in the sense that when you're fearful, you kind of lose the ability to think. And I think we can all agree at some point through all of this. We've all been there. Like, I mean, when they first came down with it, the world literally stood still for like a month. And things in the oil field just like shut down.

like that was about as eerie as life has ever probably I will ever see like that was strange and to be not fearful then is is I think there's a fairness to it but then the longer it goes on you kind of have to look at like come on like at some point here media's got to stop acting like there's nothing else to talk about other than get the vaccine and if you aren't getting the vaccine you're not helping the cause and the only way out of this is vaccination it's like why aren't we being creative? Yeah. Well, the vaccine isn't working.

You're not getting a good level of immunity from it, you know? So, you know, a long time ago on one of these podcasts, they, I listened to a guy, his name is, oh, God, Vandenbush, Gyrt Vandenbosch, right? And he's like a vaccine technology guy. He's like so into vaccines. He's so smart about them. And he said back in March, look, we're vaccinating everybody and we're going to have a suboptimal result is what he said. Because, you know, we're like trying to fight a war with a little water gun or whatever because the variants will rise up. That's what he said, right?

And he goes. Van and Bosch. Yeah. It's interesting to me, Anita, how there's become like a little network of subculture of all these different names, right? You mentioned. That we know. Yeah. Yeah, and people will do a quick, because I've heard this lots, you know, did you realize McCullough's getting sued? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's getting sued for not what he's like, not what he's saying by different media groups associating him with a university and no longer works for it. I'm like, how would you just go listen to what the guy has to say? Like, it's pretty interesting. And he's not saying COVID's a farce. He's just saying the vaccinations isn't going to be what gets us out of this, or at least not the way we're doing it.

And Vannebosch was another one. And then, you know, in our own country, Byron Bridal, I mean, how he isn't on every media source right now, just saying, you know, like, and he's being absolutely demonized. Why? Because he's saying, don't get. Like, yeah, I know exactly. I feel you.

He's saying, don't vaccinate your kids. That's what he's saying. And people are upset about that. People are probably confusing these vaccines with the vaccines. with the vaccines that have been around since we were children. These are not the same as our childhood vaccines, right? Even polio, they messed that up when they first came out with that vaccine. It killed 10 kids and paralyzed, I think, 150.

Like the first batch was no good. Okay. So they went back to the drawing board and then they figured it out, right? I don't know what's in this first batch of all this crap that they're trying to give us, right? Okay, so there's that. But people are confusing measles, mump, whooping cough, but you know all that rebella all those vaccinations with these current vaccinations and people have to remember that these vaccines have only been put in people since 2020 you cannot have long-term data

we are the test we are the test yeah when i mean that sounds like a conspiracy when you say that outlaw that okay but no no no no when i say we are the test i go now i sound like a complete everybody goes oh yeah whatever but you know like um no you make total sense to me but i know what you're saying when you talk about like polio and all the different vaccines like i always i always vaccine vaccine debate has been going on for 300 years now 300 seven year like 17 20 roughly in there they started messing with their first vaccinations and you got to like once upon a time smallpox was around and one and six people were dying. Can you imagine if one and six people were dying right now and us arguing about not getting vaccine? Come on. But a hundred years or 300

years ago, that's what they're doing. And it took a lot of years per fact things. Polio was the next, like polio, everybody thinks like polio happened in 1950. In 1952, they had a polio vaccine and that's what we used ever since. It's not true. Polio started showing up in the late 1800s. And it took until like the 1960s for them to figure out and not bugger up because you're right. There's a bunch in there that didn't, you know, it's the moral dilemma. You're going to give a bunch of healthy people who are never going to get polio, polio, essentially, and some of them are going to die. So you're essentially killing healthy people.

Well, let's look at coronavirus. This isn't one in six people dying. Coronavirus is one in 100, 1% roughly, right? Oh, wait. And if we break down that 1%, it's honestly, like, what's the percentage breakdown of over 70 or over 80 for that matter, right? Like for the longest time in Alberta, the average age of people dying was 82. I'm not saying old people's lives. Don't matter. I'm just saying, so why are we vaccinating children, knowing that we're essentially going to give a bunch of them coronavirus and chances are you going to hurt at least one of them.

You've already mentioned people who want to. You will hurt them. Right. You will. Not all, but you will hurt some. And that has to be accepted. And is that good enough? So here we sit.

We're told like vaccines have been around for 100 years and this is all safe. And they try and like rationalize it. Like normalize it. It's okay. When the truth of the matter is like if you want to go get the vaccine by all on you. But this whole thing like trying to twist and like break every rule in the book when it comes to the medical profession to get people, the vaccine, like coercion. Losing your job.

Right. Like, here we sit. And why more people don't look at that and go like? Yes. Yeah. Just go, wait a minute, wait a minute. These things take time. The polio vaccine wasn't good in the beginning.

Just like what you said, all these things take time. I mean, smallpox was eradicated with the vaccine, but, you know, it took time. something came from the cowpox vaccine i think somebody figured out how to take the cowpox and do it for and make a vaccine for smallpox or something like that but these things take time so you know so give us time give me some time i i'm asking for time and time to think and uh i think in the meantime we say no because if we comply with all this then we are just kind of going oh oh well i was told to do this no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. Don't comply now. Forget it. The time's up. Our health officials have shown us, they don't care about us.

That's how I feel. You don't care about anybody. You have ruined lives. I'm sure you know people who have been suicidal throughout this pandemic and people who have had awful financial problems, emotional problems. If you're an athlete, which you are and you don't get to play something you love, well, how does that make you feel? That fucking sucks, right? And they've done that for swimmers and whatever your sport is. That sport went down the toilet. And then everybody's doing funny videos on how they were coping. Okay, that was last year. Now you're done. You haven't figured this out, right?

The public health officials. And you're not listening to the ones that have figured it out. So we're done now. And this whole bullshit at the border and thing that is happening, I think somebody wants to control us in some weird way. And that sounds very conspiratorial, right? Like if you get the vaccine and you get your Vax passport and it's green and then it says, oh, in six months' time, oh, Anita, you're due for another one.

It's going to go red. Now you can't go sit and have a drink at a bar. You better get your shot. Oh, you got your shot. It's green again. So this is, is it about your health or is it about control? And maybe nobody's talking about this and this message isn't getting out in mainstream. It's getting out in our little world.

That world. Well, here, I mean, yeah, it's funny. Up until 2021, we kind of knew what a conspiracy theorist was or you kind of had a general sense. Now we've labeled part of the population as it, if they speak, it did just talk about it. So I'll just pull up what the UK prime minister, it's from a global article that talks about the third shot, right? It says the current, the current definition of fully vaccinated means a person who, has received a full course of a vaccine authorized for use against COVID-19, which typically requires two doses of the vaccine.

Of course, requires the one that doesn't is Johnson and Johnson. It's very clear that getting three jabs, getting your booster, will become an important fact and it'll make life easier for you in all sorts of ways. We'll have to adjust our concept of what constitutes full vaccination to take account of that. And I think that is increasingly obvious. That was today. So right there, I mean, is that,

But that's been being talked about now for three months. And everybody who brought it up, all they said was, geez, you sound like a conspiracy theorist when you're saying stuff like that. Third jab, okay, yeah, whatever. I was just at a buddy's house on the weekend and they were talking about it. Oh, yeah, if that comes, it's like, well, if we haven't realized this by now, the other side of the pond is a few months ahead of us. And if they're talking about it changing the definition of being vaccinated,

buckle up, Dorothy, because here we go. It's coming down the pipe. where, you know, whatever time that is, January, December, it doesn't matter. Like, just read the tea leaves. Trudeau's already bought how many doses of this for how many years to come. If you don't think it doesn't mean or it doesn't mean that it's going to change what the definition of fully vaccinated is, you're living in a dream world because it's coming. And that is going to be the way of life for, I don't know, how long.

And I've read other articles that talk about how this is, you know, it's a global problem and we need to start thinking globally. It's like, oh, here we go. Well, yeah, you're absolutely right about Trudeau. I've heard that he's bought enough vaccines for every man, woman, and child here to vaccinate us three times over or eight times over. I don't know. So I'm telling you that this pandemic is probably going to go on until 2024 at minimum, if that's true, if he's bought that, why he's bought that, I don't know. Maybe he should buy some ivermectin, you know. I would like to see that on the store shelves because that will reduce your symptoms. But anyway, okay, fine. So he's going to do that. How do you're, that's not what a vaccine is anyway, what you just read to me

about Boris Johnson. If, but for some reason, you got measles naturally and then you recovered from the measles, you, guess what? You are recovered. You are recovered for life. You probably don't need a vaccination. You can get one if you want, if it's your choice, but you are immunized for life. So you can get your two jabs and then you're immunized for life if you haven't got the measles. That's how that works. And that's how that works for chicken box. And that's how that works for all kinds of things. Shingles now or whatever.

Probably, you know, all the other whooping cough and what the hell ever, yellow fever. If you want to go to the Amazon, you get a yellow fever shot. You're immunized. Maybe you have to get one in 10 years. But you're immunized for at least a decade, right? Six months. Yeah. for most vaccinations. But for this one, I've heard that four months after your second shot is when your

immunity fades. And the person that said that was Heather Heine. She's an evolutionary biologist. She said that. So, whenever you're last, say you got your last shot in July, you know, August, September, October, November, you're done. You're not immunized. So don't look at me. Right. Don't point your finger at me. People will be like, are you vaccinated? It's like, well, are you vaccinated? Are you vaccinated? Are you? you sure you can still get it Oscar de la roia double vaccinated ended up in the hospital healthy as a horse and there was a minnesota i think it was a minnesota viking that ended up in the hospital just this past week double vaccinated nine NBA players i think double vaccinated also got it and a lot of people are dropping Sydney crosbie uh got it Eric carlson got it no absolutely the

NHL is a full breakout right now. I shouldn't say full breakout, but like there's enough people getting it and they're just leaning on that it's not severe and it's doing its job. It's like a mild cold now or something for them. Okay, fine. Good. You made, okay. Good. You made your choice, right? Like if you're pregnant, do you want it? Hell no. People are, women are losing their jobs over that, right? Oh, so back to that point. If you're a nurse, you looked after a patient, You cared. We were banging pots and pans for you last year, and today we're putting you out of a job. Why isn't that a bigger news story?

Why isn't mainstream running with that? Because to me, you hit such a major point. They literally were applauding, throwing parades for all these healthcare professionals. Hell, half of them got coronavirus from being in the hospitals. Yeah. Now, because they don't want to take the shot, which should probably give everybody some pause. Yeah.

They're like, I don't know how many doctors I've had on here. Like, there's no time for them. And they talk about how toxic the work environment is right now because they don't want to get it. Hmm. Hmm. Well, yeah. I mean, what is it that's not coming through about that? So you've talked to doctors that are like, I don't want to be around my coworker if they don't have it.

No. If they don't have the, no. So what happened with my conversations, by having all these doctors on, I got to have, you know, some like off air kind of these chats that very few people are exposed to. Hell, I don't even know how I got exposed to them other than by doing this, right? You're my hero because you talk to Dr. Peter McCullough. Like, you know, I think he's amazing. But anyway. What they started to talk about is, you know, I won't name the hospital in Alberta.

There's no point in bringing them into it. But that some of their better, like some of their, the word that was used was lynchpin doctors, like really successful doctors were quitting or taking leaves of absence because they were unvaccinated and couldn't handle the amount of hate that their staff, so other people in that we work with their co-workers were, we're putting towards it. And so they're leaving. You can imagine what that's going to have the implications on the health care system for that happening. And then, and then you go a step further. And I mean, the Alberta, um, healthcare workers got an extension or they extended it because, I mean, what are you going to do? Are you going to walk

a thousand or two thousand or three thousand health care workers off in the middle of the pandemic, which you need all of them to survive it, right? You literally need them manning the stations. You're not in the middle of a, you know, you're not a pirate ship, you know, a shipboat in the middle getting attacked by the pirates. You know what, guys, we don't need the staff. We're just going to see how we do while we get attacked. Like, no, you need all hands on deck. Yeah, yeah. So some of the things the government isn't doing makes zero sense. But instead of media pointing this out, like this makes zero sense. It's like they're complicit in just, no, keep pushing. It's actually only this small little

percentage of the population. So it's not a big deal. So what we need to do in the media is we need to talk to that doctor that doesn't want to get the shot. And he needs to tell us why and listen to his medical expertise or his opinions without judgment. And we need to get a nurse or another doctor that's like, well, you know, ostracizing them to say, okay, this is how I feel. I want this guy I'm working with to get the shot and here's why. So then you need a conversation. And we need to see that conversation in media. Like that's why why haven't why hasn't mainstream facility? I'm acting like you're the big head spokesperson. I got to have. I got to apologize.

But like, why, why, why don't you, they, I don't know how to say it, facilitate that? I mean, like, these giant media powers have all the power in the world to facilitate something that I think every citizen would love to sit and watch. And it would probably have, my humble opinion, it would probably have more of an impact on people being vaccinated than by not doing that. Yeah. And in fairness, what my listeners are probably going to argue is they wouldn't do it because they're afraid that nobody will get vaccinated because they don't have enough strong. But if that's the case,

then honestly, they really need to have it. Because if we're just vaccinating because we think it's the right thing to do instead of like, is it the right thing to do? That makes sense? Yeah. I'm not so sure it is based on what Garrett Vandenbush says, based on the results I'm seeing. and, you know, the breakthrough infections. There's so many breakthrough infections and can't even count it. But you're absolutely right. Why that is not being done.

Like if I produced a show, and many years ago I used to produce shows, I don't anymore. I just direct them. I just put on what I'm told to put on, right? But if I actually produced a show, you better believe I would have my public health, my top doctor on one side,

and I'd have another doctor, another side, not to fight, not to create division. but to discuss and to create understanding. So I would want her to make her case as to why she's pushing so hard. And I would then like to hear the counter points to that. And I would like sympathy for anybody's choice. That's what I would like. I would like understanding, not punishment.

You wonder how hard they're going to, they started talking about, you know, I was talking about terminology with you before we started, you know, like the words and how they talk about things. And they talk about, you know, it was like as soon as one person adopts a term, it's like everybody's got to adopt same thing. So, of course, the carrot and the stick was brought up a ton here in Alberta about how, you know, they gave them the carrot forever.

But if they aren't going to do what they're told on their own will, then we got to give them the stick. Like, got to really work them over. And I'm always wondered, have you not heard that? No. Really? I haven't heard that. What is the carrot their day?

Dangling freedom. No. The carrot. The carrot they were dangling was they did lotteries. So if you got your shot, you could be put in for a million dollar lottery. Got to the point where if you got, if you got the shot, you got $100 gift card. Right. And so they were giving you all these incentives.

That was the carrot. And now the stick is you're ostracized from society. You're not allowed into concerts. You're not allowed into hockey games. Now I'm being a little, I mean, maybe a little, I should point out with a negative COVID test at your expense from a private institution and all these things, then you can go. But the stick is that all the way up to losing your job and your livelihood. Yeah. You're being discriminated against. Yeah, 100%. And but instead of that being reported on, that isn't. Right. You're being discriminated

against in the name of public health. And I haven't seen enough data about asymptomatic transmission. for me to like buy that now. Because all this time, I've been thinking, you know, they think they make you feel like you're a murderer. You can have it and you can give it to someone else. You're a murderer. Don't paint me with that anymore. I'm stick of that.

Get out of here. If anybody's going to say that to me anymore, like the asymptomatic spread thing, I'm so over that. So, but anyway, to your point about why are we not talking about it, obviously there is, I promise you this. to anyone who is watching i will go to the people that i work with and present this to them i will tell them about my cousin i will tell them about my friend's wife i will tell do i need to tell them about theirs jesus even bears is underreported like i mean this is one of the most dangerous

vaccines to come out on the market right uh i will talk about all this to them and i will plead for them not to go ahead to press on people to vaccinate children at this point. There's no need for it, right? So I will go and speak to them and see what happens. They might fire me. I don't know what's going to happen, but I will. Isn't that a crazy thing to be in a time, Anita, where you could get fired for speaking up for that?

Yes. It's unwarranted. It's not a position I deserve to be in. No one does. There's a couple people I work with that feel the same way and they just want to fly under the radar and they're like, I don't want to lose my job. Well, you know what?

You shouldn't even be in this position anyway. This is not even a choice you should have to make, right? You want to get vaccinated, get vaccinated. Get it. Protect yourself because a vaccine at the end of the day protects you, protects the individual. my job isn't to protect you, Sean, right? Like, for your mother, your job isn't to protect my mother. They have to protect themselves.

It's not the job of children, certainly, right? When we don't know enough about it. We're going to screw up generations. Is that what they want? Yeah, maybe that is what they want, you know? But I promise you all go and ask them, because I'm sick of this, right? Like I'm sick of this.

I feel like we're not speaking up enough as Canadians, right? You can't come back into the country, even if you're vaccinated without a PCR test that you must pay $200 to get. And a PCR test is not a good test. I think doctors have told you that. You can swab this, right, and get a positive result or something, right? Did you hear about that guy in Tanzania, the president who swabbed fruit or whatever? Well, he went missing. Geez, and anybody that speaks up, they go missing.

Well, I haven't gone missing. Yeah, good. You haven't gone for that. Listen, if you can't find me, somebody came from me, right? You know, but yeah, people who speak up go missing. It's something bad is happening. I mean, I think we can all agree. Something bad is happening.

And when I think about what that could be, that's the thing that sounds dystopian. Right? your passport pretty soon your fax passport will maybe link to your bank account or something and we'll come up and have some yeah talking about the the social credit system right like that like china they monitor your activity and then they can exclude you from certain things and everything else well i mean sitting here in canada that sounds like a wild idea but i mean we're at a point right now where they're trying to eliminate federal travel for anyone who doesn't abide by um what they want want under the under the understanding it's behind public health right like that that's we're trying to

keep the population safe yeah yet the booster that you've got an or the booster the vaccine that you've gotten everybody last you've read four months I've read six I've also read two but let's just all agree that at some point it wanes and they all say the same thing in that it doesn't it isn't the same for every person which means that it could be longer could be shorter Different vaccines can be different, right? Well, in this country alone, we have AstraZeneca, Moderna, Pfizer, and mix and match, because that was allowed. And then they screwed that up and then tried to retract that too. But yeah, yeah, it's maybe this is not a one size fits all, right?

Maybe we don't need it, you know, like, you know, and I, if I, maybe everybody's going to get COVID and then, and it'll be a mild cold for some. You maybe you'll be gravely ill for others and you have to go to the hospital. But that's what the bloody hospital is there for. right? Look at all the people that are in the hospital suffering from adverse effects. You know, my cousin was in the hospital for weeks after he took that Pfizer vaccine. Is he clogging up the hospital? Well, he's sick. He has to be in the hospital. Ironically, he's sick because he took something you told that he needed to keep himself healthy. Right. So there's a big problem with these vaccines. There's a big problem with our rights in Canada.

There's a big problem with these Vax passports, which I think we should all delete off our phones. I think we shouldn't even play this game. I'm done. Don't play this game. Just walk into a bar, walk into a restaurant, walk into your gym. Just go. What are they going to do if everybody stops? Marshall law, the military come in?

I don't know, probably. Who the hell knows? Everybody stop this bullshit over COVID and also recognize that the stress, the financial hardship, the sickness, the illness, the destruction of small business, everything you've done in the name to keep people healthy. Well, when I look around, I don't really see healthy people at all.

I see people in despair, upset, worried, wanting to leave the country. You're seeing people wanting to leave the country there too? One of my closest friends just left this morning. To go to Mexico, looking for a better life. He just like, he was a camera. guy before at a major network here.

And he, but years ago, he found the news very despicable. So he just left. He's a very interesting thinker, this guy. So he, he started to do Airbnb. So he had a bunch of apartments in, and in Vancouver, and he would rent them out. And that was his little business. It was a good little business. Well, 2020 happened.

That business, you can kiss that goodbye. So he did, you know, okay, I'm going to listen to the rules. So you shut everything down. Well, there was no customers. Nobody's Airbnb. Nobody's coming. Nobody's traveling, right? So then he was like, I need to do something. So this guy, educated, really smart guy. He ended up no shame in this because I respect him for doing this. He got a job in a store. So he worked in a store that I won't name, not making money he wanted to make, but he made his money and then he bought his groceries or whatever. And then that particular store told him he needed to be vaccinated. He's like, I got to go. He just does not believe in this vaccine whatsoever. And it just, like, destroyed his life, right? Like he had to sell one of his apartments. He's like, I can't be here. There's no life for me here living like this. He just is looking for another life now. It just depressed the

shit out of him. It, like, made him almost suicidal, you know, the losing of his business and and working in a store. And, you know, he made the best of it, but he thought like the country just shit on him. And what about his public health? What about his mental health? Does anybody care about him and the amount of, he's a former cancer survivor too. So he's had enough jabs with things that he just wants to keep himself healthy. That is his right. But it's made it. So he just found it unbearable to be here. Ladies in his building would wave their finger at him because they knew he was like, you know, whatever, right? And he's like, I got to go. I got to see if there's something else out here. And so until November 29th, you can get on a plane in Canada if you have a test, right? So,

yeah, I don't know how you come back. Maybe one day he can come back. I don't know, right? But we'll see. Maybe he'll be happy. But that's what happened here. That COVID drove him out of the country, literally. I've said this multiple times. I'll say it again. People have always come and gone from Canada, you know, it's not something new. What is new in my eyes is why people are leaving. And I don't think in all the stories I've ever heard of anyone going away from Canada, it's ever been about fearing the country. And right now, that's exactly what it is. You know people in Vancouver they're leaving. I know people in Lloyd and area that have left. I know people in Eminton now that have left. I know people in Ontario that have left. People are just leaving for all

the same reason. The vaccine passport and being able to come and go from their country and they're gone. And Mexico is become a destination. Of course, parts of the states have become a destination. Costa Rica's become a destination. All these different places are people, a listener is married or dating a woman from Estonia, went back to Estonia. So just we're done with us. Yeah. And he goes, Estonia's got things that are similar. It's just not to the craziness that Canada is. And you think, like, I'm not sitting here going that I want to move to Estonia. And no offense, whoever, I'm forgetting his name right now, nothing against Estonia.

I've never been. Like maybe I should be like, no, let's all go to Estonia. Yeah. But just to me, when that starts to become a trend and a theme that people are leaving this great country to get out of what's going on, I think that's just another red flag of like, here. we sit. Like, you know, there's times when we've been talking that we both say that we hope we're wrong and I hope I'm wrong about that, but something feels very wrong about your lack of choice by your vaccine passport, by people getting so distressed, they're leaving their jobs because

they don't want this. They're leaving the country. So what is going on? Why the inflexibility on this for a disease where you, for a virus that you have a 98, percent chance of surviving for a virus where it should be acknowledged somebody made that and released that that didn't come from nature that's what I resent too is like it's not like a bat went to the first SARS was bat to civic cat to to human merrs is bat to camel to human they haven't found a host for this this bloody thing just is somebody made this poisoned everybody took your livelihood away and shut you in the house and then said, oh, we got a vaccine. Take the vaccine.

Life will be normal. So everybody's like, okay, okay, I'll take the vaccine. I'll do what you tell me. People did what they were told. Or is your life back to normal? When my friend just left from Mexico this morning, you coming after the little kids now, get lost. Get out of my face.

Why don't you go cure cancer? You didn't come up, you know. That's how you should have started the podcast often. You know, when you tie it together like that, right? Maybe that is why the lab leak part of it is so important is because when you do the math then and add it all together, it looks pretty awful, honestly. You know, have you seen, there's a video of Jim, I think it's Brower, Brower, B.R. A comedian, he always looked high. Yes. Have you seen him do the boom, do do po do and he's doing the, this is a circus.

He goes at the end, turn the circus off or at least know you're watching one. No, I haven't seen that. There's a video of him going around and it's basically him doing an impersonation of people pulling this ring. Oh, no. Master, the plan's working. And he goes, I'm doing a horrendous I'm not paid to do impersonation. Anyways, about just like the evil in the world, just dividing and conquering the population and then he does the sound. You got to look it up. I recommend.

Oh, okay. I think he's funny. Oh, hilarious. Actually, who knows, maybe what I'll do is I'll splice it in so people can hear it. Yeah. It's like a minute and a half of just like, it's awesome. And it pretty much encapsulates where we are right now. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, somebody's doing this. We're the little puppet. But, I mean, you're on the inside of seeing the narrative play out on a big, like, mainstream has a big arm in all of this. Like, we're driving the fear. And absolutely, yeah. And one thing I was also thinking is all the people I work with are lovely, hardworking people.

And I would think that they would never want to hurt anybody. Like, so. I think that's all of us, though, isn't it? That's all of us. Like, yeah. Like, that's probably right there, 99. Something percent of all societies across the world. don't want to do bad things.

I'm not, I just want, I just want, half the people I talk to, man, I don't care what you do. Yeah. Okay,

well, that's great, you don't care, but the rules that are being put in place by the select few are segregating our society into two.

And at some point, we've got to find a way to come back together and tell them to do exactly what you've been saying now for a little over an hour, which is, piss off.

It's time we went back to life. and have a little empathy for people in different situations in their lives. Yeah. It's done now. Stop it. Stop it right now. You've had your time. Well, I'm going to slide into the final question with Crude Master Transport, showed it to Heath and Tracy, supporters of the podcast since the very beginning. I sometimes wonder what they think of going from Paul Bissonette of spitting chicklets to Ron McLean, the Dawn Cherry to COVID and the lovely Anita Krishna. I sometimes wonder.

They're probably like, who's she? Well, hey, in fairness, what did you think when you first stumble across the Sean Newman podcast? I bet you were like, who's this guy? Yeah, I had to look you out for whatever. There's not a giant file. I guess it's growing every day now. But I mean, there isn't, it isn't like there's this long,

laundry list of where I've been and who I've seen. My friend that hooked me up to you said, hey, he's just the coolest guy. He's just a guy speaking from the heart. And he's somewhere in Alberta and he did this podcast. And oh, my God, you should check this out. And I did. And then that's, then I did. And then I'm. And here we sit. And here we sit. Yeah. Well, here's your final question. Okay. I, I like when I bring new people on. You Usually it is this question, and I'm going to stick with it for you today. In that, if you could sit down with somebody today, alive on this planet, to pick their brain, and you cannot say Peter McCullough, because I know you like Peter,

but we've heard a awful lot from Peter. Yeah. Who would you want that somebody knew that you think would have something to offer to the conversation, that you'd like to really get into their brain? Alive or dead? Is that what you said? Let's do Alive. Oh, alive.

who alive is harder. Pick their brain to get into, oh. Oh, somebody that's alive. Oh, well, I mean, I think if I sat down and talked to Jordan Peterson, he could probably guide us through this. Are you a Jordan Peterson thing? I think he's one of the smartest men on the planet. What? Oh, no.

Oh, no. Sorry, I do not take my... Listen, this podcast is not here if it's not for Jordan Peterson. Oh, 100%. So one of the growing trends I've seen in Canada specifically is that people who are standing on their values and their moral compass listen or somehow or one of the ways, not all the ways, but one of them is Jordan Peterson for sure. For me, he was. Yeah. Think about that for, yeah. For me, he was.

Because I know you're probably wrapping up now, but he just said that he, you know how there's agreeable people and disagreeable people. Because I'm just a nice little woman. I've always been very agreeable. But then he was just talking about how that, that it's okay to be disagreeable. And it's okay. if you have something legitimate to say to say it. And even if you say it badly, it doesn't matter. You said it. If it's a legitimate problem that you see in life, something at work, something,

whatever, say it. And even if you don't say it in a perfect way, it doesn't matter to say it, because that makes you someone to contend with. It gives you a voice. So even if you say it badly, it's okay. Just say it. And I lean on him a lot because when I first started watching his lectures and when we saw, I saw him live for the first time, he said something to, the effect of you have to understand I'm speaking well I think which means you're getting it very raw and I say that on here an awful lot because you're getting exposed to my brain and I don't have notes and when you talk for almost two hours you get exposed to a lot of different things and that's very unique about him from anyone I've ever listened to.

They never admit that they don't have the answers that they're just like literally thinking about it while they talk. Yeah. And one of the things that I took to heart with him was don't lie to yourself. Because once you start doing that, I mean, there's no end to that pit. And it's kind of where I think a lot of us are sitting right now. It's like we know something doesn't add up. Yeah.

We, for whatever reason, people are wherever they're at on any of the spectrum can be vaccinated, unvaccinated. It doesn't matter. where we sit right now isn't that problem. It's where the arguments focused on. But on the underpinnings of it is this censorship, this monitoring of everyone's daily life, how they get in and out of facilities, you know, and the QR code came into effect here in Alberta now. And you just go, something feels not right. Yeah. And if there's anything that anyone can take away is that we need to listen to that and stop being scared. of being judged, because you will be judged.

People will not like you, and people will call you names and stuff like that, and we call you all. Now it's time to not care. The jig is up. The jig is up. So you speak up now. You stand up for your right. This is, and you assert yourself.

And I think everybody should just stop with this, delete these passports, say, I'm not doing this. Stop with all this. Just do what you want to do. You want to get third booster, fourth boost. and then you want to get fifth and sixth, seventh, eighth, I will not stand in your way. That's your decision. That's your decision. You can keep going till 2050.

I don't care. Don't make me do that. And respect my choice. So everybody, stand up. If somebody says to you, are you vaccinated and you're like embarrassed to answer? You can just say, no, I'm not. And are you? Are you sure you are?

Because I'm not sure you're immunized. None of us seem to be. So don't put that shit on. on me anymore. Take it off. Take that shit off me now. I don't want to wear it anymore, right? And let's be more open and honest in mainstream media in that world. And the other world is doing fine. We got to stop censoring that world, right, and bring everybody together. That's what I would say. It's what John Lennon would say or something. One other thing, remember, you're asking me alive or dead. I would say dead. If anybody wants some direction in life, I would probably listen to

some interviews with Aldous Huxley, who wrote Brave New World. There's some interesting pieces on YouTube about people about propaganda, about your mind changing, and about sort of almost accepting your own tyranny. You're just accepting it. Oh, do do, do, I'm doing it. So he, he would be someone to guide us to him and Jordan Peterson. And maybe you and maybe me. I tell people all the time when they stumble upon me, don't listen to me. Yeah, don't listen to me. I'm not a doctor. I'm just, I'm just an everyday guy. You're just a thinker too, yeah.

It just keeps asking questions. I didn't realize how disagreeable at times I can be, but I just want to keep asking questions. And I don't think it's wrong to keep asking questions. We applaud our children when they ask a ton of questions. It would be frustrating when they ask why for the 17th million time, but it makes you, man, that's a good question. That's actually a good question, right? Yeah. Dang you four-year-old for asking a good question. Yeah. And you might not have the answer, but that's okay. You're thinking. At least you're thinking, right? That's right. Well, I appreciate you coming on and doing this. It's been fun. Yes, I appreciate you having me. And I'll update you with any news I find out from that world, the other world. I do appreciate that. Okay. Thanks again, Anita.

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