Shaun Newman Podcast - #226 - Nadine Ness

Episode Date: December 15, 2021

Veteran RCMP officer. Started Unified Grassroots. Caught the attention of Scott Moe. Labeled an extremist by some, we dig deep to learn the truth. Let me know what you think   Text me 587-217-8500 Like the podcast? Support here: https://www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast https://unifiedgrassroots.com/

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Now, to the listener, you got to give the backstory. You got to give them a little bit about yourself, Nadine, so they can get a feel for who they're listening to and maybe some of the relevance that's brought you here today. Yeah, well, it all started. I think it was like first week of September, if I'm not mistaken. For one, I wasn't looking for this. I think a lot of people who get in this position weren't looking for it. It kind of came looking for them. So it started with there's a post on the town page of someone asking when the next school board meeting was. And I messaged the girl saying, hey, are you concerned about the things?

I'm concerned. You know, you want to be careful what you say. You don't know which side they're on. So, and it turns out she was concerned about the same things. And I said, hey, we should meet up and come up with a plan to do a presentation in front of the school board. So I say, how about we meet up at my house? And she's like, sure, I have a few friends that want to join in. So I think we had maybe seven or eight.

So I was like, okay, I'll start a Facebook group just to share the address so everyone can know how to get here. And so that was like on Tuesday. And then we were supposed to meet on Saturday. And within 24 hours, that Facebook group, which was private by only had grew to 850 people. So we obviously couldn't meet at my house. had to delete my address. And then we ended up renting a hall in Hepburn, small town of Hepburn. And so within a few days, yeah, we had over 250 people show up. And then we had started what was called Grassroots Concerned Parents, which was a Facebook group that we still

have. And so we had that town hall. We kind of met a bunch of people that wanted to volunteer, who then after that became part of our board of directors for a not-for-profit organization, which was really cool how all that came about. And then the concerned parents group grew to about 2000. And because my husband was a family physician, I had a lot of other physicians reach out and nurses saying, hey, do you know of anyone else who feels the same way as you guys, who are concerned about some of the COVID policies?

So we ended up starting like a small signal. groups with that and then out of that we kind of teachers reached out so we ended up starting a teacher signal group and then there was one thing I noticed in the province nobody was coming together everyone was so afraid to talk and if we were going to affect change we needed to give everyone a place where they could come together so we started signal groups for for all different professions so police officers, firefighters, crown workers, city workers, construction. We have over 40 different kinds. And then they announced the vaccine passport shortly after that.

So our group had probably grown to, I don't know, maybe a couple thousand by then on Facebook. And then the signal group, we probably had about 1,200 people. So, and then the loss, I got approached by lawyer Luke Kupal, who was doing the lawsuit against the, the mandates for crown employees. And because we had some in our group, he approached us and then asked if we wanted to join in on it. So we actually only got in on it the last week that it was, well, it kind of only got put in together for about a week. But that didn't really go anywhere, not because we didn't have. evidence, but because they said you can't file a lawsuit for something, you don't know what it is going to be yet. So they had announced the vaccine passport, but they hadn't put out the

policy yet. So, yeah, so that happened. The same week, all the doctors and nurses had come up, come together and wrote a letter to the province. So we organized this, unity concert in Saskatoon. So we had city permits, everything. We followed all the health guidelines. And we didn't have, I don't know if we had our Facebook group Unified Grassroots at that point in time. It might have been started around that same week, just a place for all the signal groups to join together that wasn't just a concerned parents group. And then, so we had the concert and over a thousand people showed up. So if you're, if you're not familiar, you're with Saskatoon, that's a lot of people to come in at an event in Saskatoon. So,

so it was really successful. We had, it went off without a hitch. Like, nothing negative happened. It was really good. I'm curious, Nadine, to hop in here for a sec. I, like, there's, I think we both can agree. There's tons of these little groups forming all across the country, not just in Saskatchewan, not just in Alberta, everywhere. What I find very intriguing about your group, is that, well, it's somehow galvanized a group of people. Like, it's become very notable, right? Like, I mean, for myself, I was joking around with you, you know, I had Ken on me. You got to reach out to Nadine.

And we've met before Nadine, right, obviously. And I was like, yeah, sure, you know, like, whatever. Like, I was just, I kind of was in my la-la land. And he's like, no, no, we need to. And then me talked. And you're like, oh, have you heard? I'm going, have I heard what? And then I look and I'm like, oh, I mean, you've had a phone call with Scott Moe, which I mean,

I've been trying to convince Scott Mo to come on this platform for some time, right? I think it'd be wonderful. You want to talk to some people that are pissed off, come to where they're pissed off, right? I think reaching out to you is a bunch of concerned parents, a bunch of concerned citizens of his province. I'm curious. Like, I'm listening. I'm going like, you seem like the sweet lady who's got three kids expecting, you know, you're expecting your fourth.

And I go, what is it I'm missing here? Like, I feel like there's something I'm missing on how you've pulled people together that quickly, had an event, had it successful, and just continue to grow. Yeah. I think part of it, too, is our message. We try to come from a level-headed approach as well. We're very careful, like, when we do speeches and stuff that we're sticking with our message of fighting the division and hate.

Like I said, we're not. anti-mas or anti-vax or anything like that, we're against a division hate that the vaccine passport creates. Now, when you open up yourself like that, you tend to get people from all walks. There's a lot of small groups that would get the 20% that were really against everything to do with COVID, but then you have the 50% that didn't really have a place to go where they might have been vaccinated, fully vaccinated, but still aren't okay with what's happening with the vaccine passport and the segregation and stuff. And it was a, we really wanted to make it a place where people would feel comfortable coming.

And I think a big part of that was too that we have doctors and nurses in our group. So we had to be very careful with our messaging and stuff because we don't want to ruin the professionalism of our organization and anything that would put their jobs and career at risk. So that might be what kind of made it go kind of a more, I say middle ground, although some consider us extremist group. I mean, isn't that a what? You know, like, I was saying to the wife today, she goes, oh, who are you interviewing? And I go, oh, Nadine S. And she goes, well, who's that?

And I said, well, it depends who you listen to. I said, the opposition leader in Saskatchewan calls you an extremist radical. And I'm like, if Nadine Ness is an extremist radical, I hope all extremists in Saskatchewan follow your suit. Because I go, when I go to your Facebook page, when I see what you're doing in our communities, I go, we could all use a little bit of extremism then. Because you're trying to, you're trying to sew everybody back together. And I go, I don't know, every time I've been taught about extremism or extremists or radicals or whatever, they're pretty far out there. They're like, you know, hate, let's do some bad. things kind of thing. And all I see is, I don't know, and maybe this isn't what you're going for,

but I just see kill them with kindness. That's what I see. Yeah. And it's funny too because hate can come from both sides. Division can come from both sides. And everything we try to do is something, we're trying to bring people together. So some, it's funny because I'm hated by the one side that wants vaccine mandated for everyone. And then sometimes I'm hated from from our side because they say I'm too, too nice, too, to middle ground or, or as I've been accused, being controlled opposition. It's just to me, the biggest problem here, that I see is the destruction of society. Like we've become something we never thought we would be. Like families being torn apart and communities being torn apart.

Neighbors not even talking to each other. So it was a thing, it was something that really needed to be addressed. So that's kind of where we focus on. So I'm not going to do it like everyone else. And I don't think we need to do it like everyone else. Well, I can agree with you there. The societal part of this, our humanity is an interesting thought because I think I've said it on here before. Like, what is extremely concerning is how this is infected every single family that I know personally to the point where lots of people aren't talking.

Like, no, we're not talking. Like, I just, nah. It's like, I know you get heated, but it's your family. And you're supposed to. And I know there's certain families that can never, you know, they have that argument and then they blow up for 10 years. find a way to stitch back. But most families stick together. Right now, this is down to the family, the core of the of society. This is infected at all. And, you know, I know you'll have some thoughts on Scott Moe and your conversations with them, but, you know, our leaders, and I sit right on the

border. And both of them had some pretty stern words for the one side. And when you do things like that, that's pretty much putting all the blame on that. And once you have that, now, I mean, It's been an odd couple of months. It just has. And the thing is a lot of people will take their lead from government. Especially in Canada, we've got this huge trust for government, right, compared to other countries. So if the government's doing it, then it must be right. It must be okay.

So I think when the government started using that language, you started seeing it a lot more in the public. Like, I mean, the mainstream media was already doing it way before the government, but the fact that the government did it kind of entice people to be bolder and start using that kind of language. And some of the stuff that's come out of it is completely atrocious. Even the words coming from Scott Mo's mouth or Premier Moe's mouth was really atrocious. We've had enough patience for you or some of the other stuff he said. There will be consequences. Yeah. We're going to make it difficult for you.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to remember all the terms. Well, it's pretty sad when you've got to go back through to your leaders. And that's what you're like, oh, those were some, I know a lot of people. Those were some pretty tough days. And I don't think they really, maybe. And I mean, how is, I love to think a leader understands the, the consequences of their words because they're speaking for everybody. Obviously, they think they're speaking for the majority of people.

But to say those harsh comments, like they just have no idea of the anxiety that they're putting on a group of people that are just trying to do best for their, you know, they're in their own. Yeah. And the thing is, it's funny you say that a leader, the language of leader, those are not great qualities of a leader. A great quality of a leader will bring people together and unite people, not cause division. It's actually the opposite of what a good leader does. I can't say I wasn't disappointed. I was extremely disappointed in his language used. I used to like the SaaS party, actually.

So I even thought, I thought one day maybe when I'm like 20 years old or maybe I'll run for their party. But after seeing that, I was so disappointed. And to be honest, I think looking back, I think when Scott Moe looks back at that, he's going to see it as words he shouldn't have said, hindsight, 2020. But I don't know. I don't know where they came from. I don't know if they came from him or his advisors.

It just, it didn't look like him. I don't know. Well, imagine, imagine. Theory of me. No, I mean, if we're, I mean, think about it. I just go like, think of the pressure you're under having a group of thousands of people wanting you to do hard you got to be in need Dean you got to be harder you got to be harder and you're like oh this is uncomfortable well now put it in a million people and just feel like I mean we're both

going to sit here I'm certainly going to sit here and go well that's the job he signed up for and you know as a people we need to uh elect the best and I think we're all understanding that and I'm not saying Scott Moe isn't the best I'm just saying like who could have planned we'd be in the situation we're in. And I can't sit here and act like I fully understand even remotely the pressure Scott Moe's in. But I still have my part to play and I still have sat here in front of this mic and had to my part to play. And I like to think that I haven't changed too much, although, you know, maybe the audience would suggest different. And there's been pressure on me too. you you everyone uh who uh has stood their ground in their thoughts and beliefs has had some sort

of pressure put on them so you kind of get a small inkling of what he's going through uh it's just the harsh words like to think out those words man uh i don't know i just take a step back and i go i agree with you in a few years he's probably going to go shouldn't have said that like should not have said that but i don't know what what was the phone call like well actually before we get to the phone call nadine i wanted to ask it you you you were a cop for RC&P. I don't know your role as being an officer, but you were an officer for almost seven years.

I thought, honestly, I thought you were going to lead off to the start. And I was like, now I better make sure the, the audience knows a little bit of your, your background, because I was curious,

did that help you in being like something is up here? Yeah. So, so, yeah, I was a cop for almost seven years. I worked in North Battleford, La Lash,

roster, and then my last post was Martinsville. So I've lived all over Saskatchewan, even in the north. So I have a different perspective than probably a lot of people do, just because not a lot of people have gotten to experience living in such a different variety of places. But one of the things that I found very, I've always had really strong conviction in a sense of right and wrong. And when I would see something wrong, like someone being bullied or a victim being abused and stuff, I always had that strong conviction.

I need to protect her. I need to protect her. And then all this started happening. And that sense of conviction didn't go away just because I'm not a cop anymore. And one of the things were trained when you're a police officer is the Charter Rights and Freedom trumps all. You can only breach that if you have very good reason. So when I started seeing some of the stuff that's coming out, I'm like, that's odd. We need a warrant to get any medical information for anyone.

But yet a waitress can ask for your private medical information. So there's a lot of things I was like that that's not matching up with, I guess, my set of morals, my conviction. and also I was trained on. So does it make me aware? Yeah. And I think a lot of the police officers who became police officers for the right reason feels the same way.

Unfortunately, I think a lot are put in a position where they can't really speak out against this. But a lot are. It's funny because I made this video to Scott Moe, and I had some of my old coworkers that I hadn't spoken to in years reach out to me. I saw your video. It was awesome, but I can't join your group because I'd get in trouble. So it's just kind of funny to see, see that kind of happen. But, but yeah, I think it did make a huge difference because I know the law and I know when you can

break it as well. Like I'm not kind of an idiot to that either. I do know about their emergency orders when they're putting in place what what it means see i saw it a little bit differently too than the regular public so or i say some of the regular public so when they put them in place and it said oh you can go into a house without a warrant or you can take land or i didn't see it as like oh my gosh they're going to come get our cows i saw it as yeah when there's a flood or a fire you have to sometimes go into people's homes to make sure they're alive to to to pull them out or you might sometimes have to take all the cows and change their fields if the field is on fire. So it's like a copy and paste the emergency warrant. The emergency order. It's not like

they can take some of it out. So when that was put in place, I didn't panic. I'm like, oh, that's the same wording as usual. So things like that, I knew a little bit or the quarantine facilities or the quarantine camps, whatever some people call it. A lot of people were like, oh my God, they're going to stand all the unvaccinated there. I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. There are people in certain situations that would need a place to go like the homeless people that we used to arrest on a daily basis that lives on the street. Well, we would bring them in because it'd be minus 40. Well, you can't put them in cells if they're COVID-infected. They'll infect the whole drunk tank. Sometimes it's 30 people in the drunk tank. So you'd have to have a place

that's secure to bring them or like a lot of the First Nations, I'm just using that as an example. They have two or three generations in the house. Not everyone has two or three bathrooms or have their own bedrooms. So if someone was COVID positive in their house, they'd have nowhere they could securely isolate. So there need to be a place for that. So when I saw stuff like that, I didn't panic. I try to kind of calm people down because I've seen the part of society that. that would require some of those facilities or things. So, yeah, it did help in a way to bring it kind of to level-headed. But see, the government should have done that.

Yeah, so I was going to say, Nadine, the problem is, is the government should have just spoke openly. You go back to the cow thing. We're not going to steal your cows. And you're like, yeah, dummy, we don't all think that. Like, I mean, come on, get off your, like, now you've just insulted your entire audience, especially the audience that doesn't believe a thing coming out of your mouth, if you would have just spoke openly,

especially with the quarantine facilities. To me, when you read it, you go, what a lot of people say, and I'm thinking of like the Julie Pinesse and those, isn't that it'll be a problem right now. It's opening the door for a problem later, right? Now you have these facilities. What happens with them down the road?

I don't know. Right now, you can speak to it and just be like, listen, it's been given blah, blah, blah, blah. And you could have, you could have just calm things. By not talking directly and trusting your audience, your public, with some of the information, now you let conspiracy things go wild. And once they're out, you can't put that back in the box. Like, it's just gone.

And now you're fueling the division. Like, it's just utter nonsense to me. You know, you talk about audience, RCMP guys, not being able to come. come speak uh even get in your groups i go back to episode 218 so you'll be episode 226 so if the audience listening wants to go back to what i'm talking about officer james drove to me from somewhere undisclosed in alberta because he was terrified of what's going on and wanted to be an officer who spoke up who's active and just let the public know what's going on and i i i was like oh oh oh okay, right? But he said, like, they're not allowed to speak up. Like, even by driving here and doing

what he did, he's like, if they find out, I'm toast. And you go, oh, that's where we're at right now. We're in very, very precarious times then. Was there ever a time in history in Canada in ways where you were afraid of speaking? Like even me messaging that lady on the Facebook group, I was like, how do you approach that subject? Are you okay? with the restriction. Do you want more? Do you want less? Like it's not, it's not just, sorry about the screaming child in the background. I don't know if you can hear it, but he's not alone. My husband's with him. But, um, but yeah, it's, it's not just the officers. It's everyone. Doctors, not, like, completely afraid to say anything at all that doesn't fit the main narrative. It's, it's gone to the

point where we can't even have discussions back and forth or debate. Like even me coming from a level-headed approach and say, hey, I'm not against the vaccine, against the passport. I'm being called a right-wing wacko and an extremist. Like, we should be able to have these conversations. Like, I'm a pretty level-headed person. I've been a professional. Like, I was a police officer. And to be called that extreme over me not being.

being okay with the population being segregated. That's just a pure example. Like what happened this week in mainstream media is an exact example why so many people don't speak out. Because the onslaught comes after, right? As soon as you do. It needs to change too. We can't fix this.

We can't come up with solutions if we're not allowed to discuss things. So, yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. I haven't, I can just imagine the onslaught from being national newsworthy. But I, I said this early on and I continue to say it that I think we, I did a disservice by not starting to talk about this sooner. Because by not talking about it, we all just kind of went about it. It's not that bad.

It's not that bad. Everybody, okay. And then here we sit. And now by trying to open up the discussion, everybody's like, no, this is overweight. just carry on with life and you're like is it over with i don't know about that and and so there's a lot of if i don't know maybe i'm wrong on this if i would have been starting if i would have talked about this a year ago maybe it would have got laughed out the door i'm not sure but here we sit we're closing in on christmas year two in the books and when is the end in sight i i don't know you know i just had peter

mckella on and i was i was surprised he talked about omicron and he talked about how it's transmissibility was less than Delta. And he goes, yeah, it's kind of odd. And I was like, oh, because I could have swore all the articles, news media I read says the complete opposite, right? But I don't know. How was the call with Scott Mo? Can you give us some, you don't have to read this play by play, but what did you think

of that? I mean, that's got to be an interesting moment for you. Anytime I talk about it, the mainstream media will accuse him or use user. our organization to try to slander him. For one, I was not expecting that that response in the media at all to think that that's such a big deal that he's talking to someone who represents now 14,000 people in the province. You would think that would be a conversation. How many times did he talk to Saskatchewan Teachers Federation's president or any president

of the union? Someone who represents a big group of people should be a norm. conversation that would be had. But anyways, no, and the thing is, we almost talked before, before it even became this big when I was just the concerned parents group. So a few MLAs, people had reached out to him and some people who knew him. So he's known about me for a while. So when I say, I've tried to contact you, I've had. And I even missed a call. from his office the one time and I called back and it turned out he was there but she said I don't think he called you I'm like well this number didn't show up my phone for nothing well and then his clerk

well maybe I called you I'm like why would you have called me so so anyways it's just kind of this really weird instance I think too when you get that much attention from a video and I think a lot of MLAs saw that video and probably said hey you should probably call I know of a few that has So, so yeah. So I didn't think he was going to, to be honest. I wasn't really expecting it. And I was on my way home, just picked up my two oldest kids. And I wasn't ready for it.

So we ended up pulling into a parking lot so I could concentrate. But yeah, I have my 12-year-old daughter complaining next to me. How many times did you yell at the kids? I'm talking to the premier. Stop it. No, no. My daughter kind of knew because she, 12 so she's she hears what goes on and stuff so she's like did he call did you really call so she had watched

the video that we had made and stuff so is that really him that's what she was saying so no so it went really good um like he said we we didn't agree on everything and but but i also know how to conduct myself during a phone conversation it's not going to be productive if you come at it with hate or anger or anything like that. It was more like, okay, we both want different things. These are the concerns that I'm hearing from people here. Here's some personal stories. There's obviously a lot of problems.

I also talked about some of the problems that the doctors and nurses were bringing forward to us. So things like that. So it kind of gave him a, I guess, an eye or an ear into what was happening right on the ground that he might not have already been aware of. So a lot of things like the monoclonal antibodies, I say, well, it's not really apparent where people have to go to get it. So can you hear dogs barking? You're good.

You're good. I'm listening. It's a nice serenade in the back. Okay. I don't feel the same, but they're not going to stop. So there's probably coyotes. We live in the middle of nowhere. So, but yeah, so monoclonal antibodies, we didn't really know where to go to get it.

Someone asked me, where do you go to get it? I said, I don't know. See, that's something everyone in the province should know as soon as they get COVID and there's a treatment option that they can go and get it and where to go get it. So we talked about that. He's like, well, the intake's been really low from what last I heard. I said, yeah, because no one knows how to get it. I say, I'm not even sure my husband does.

and he's a doctor. So it's stuff like that we addressed. And then about potential problem solving in the future with the healthcare system. Also, how we have so little ICU beds, we should have upped it and we should have upped it a long time ago. So he kind of talked to me about some of the issues they had. And see, that's where the government fails.

They don't, they're not transparent with the public like when they're having issues like that. So instead of saying, hey, we screwed up, we thought we had 170 ICU beds. Turns out staff shortened stuff when push needed to shove, push came to shove and we needed them. We only had 87. But we're not going to talk about our screwups.

We're going to blame this on the unvaccinated. Like, and see, that's where the problem lies. I think if the public were made more aware, not just that on, on basic COVID stats, not the, oh, this is how many people died. This is how many people are positive. How about let's talk about the comobilities. What puts people more at risk?

Let's work on addressing those. You know, it's funny though, Nadine, when like this just becomes, I go, what is it with politicians in the word truth, right? Like they got to spin everything because, you know, everyone always goes they got to get reelected. I'm like, I don't know. Wouldn't you reelect somebody who just spoke the truth? I like to think I would.

Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But at this point, two years into this sucker, I'm tired of hearing about cases. I'm tired of hearing about this. Give me some options. Oh, we got some monocolonia antibodies. Oh, wait.

Half the people are dying with all these coromorbidies. What is it? Cor morbidity? Well, let me tell you. Bomb, boom, boom. If you want to get healthy, we're going to open up all gyms because they are pretty essential,

it turns out oh and weight sports and athletics and all these things that keep us healthy more and wait anxiety and suicide and things like that geez and instead it's the same old thing you know and i think that's where a lot of the the anger and resentment and why there's a chunk of the population that don't want to give anyone a break in politics right now because they won't give themselves the you know they won't like the track record is they just keep singing the same old tune expecting a different outcome well at some point at some point at some point. And this is why I was interested, you know, after I read all the stories on you, I was like, hmm, here's a lady who took it upon herself to create something out of nothing and got,

you know, one way or another has the premier corner. I think that's my hat's off to you. Because a lot of people are trying different ways to make that happen, right, to try and move the dial, so to speak, just a little bit, not a 180, not like COVID doesn't exist. We're back to But for the love of God at some point here, we got to start to moving it where we find a way to bring everybody back together, like you said. And I just admire you, Nadine, from what I've heard now and watching what's going on, I go, huh, well, I think maybe some Saskatchewans and other people across our great country could probably take a lesson or two from you to how you approached it. Because it obviously was working a little bit because otherwise Premier wouldn't call you back. he'd label you an extremist and would be like, I ain't talking to that. What did you call yourself a wacko YouTuber?

A right wing wacko. That's what Ryan called me. It's funny too that he used that term considering in 2015, I actually voted for Trudeau. I regret it now before you give me a hard time. Oh, interview over. I'm sorry, folks. I didn't know that part of it, eh? I'm originally from the East Coast, so we kind of grow up more liberal there.

So when I moved out west, it took me a little bit to wake up. But yeah, no, I am, don't worry. I've regretted it since. And I've, I'll fully take the blame. Consent hate my way. But although I don't think my vote mattered because I lived. in Saskatchewan at the time and conservatives did win but still it's it's funny yeah that he said that because not only that i'm also i used to be like president of the union when i worked for

the federal government before i was rcmp in in the northern region i was actually president for the all of the north so it's just kind of funny that he pegged me a right wing wacko president president of what nanny of the union uh pAC i think it was called at the time So it's the federal government's union. So I was the president of the area for all the north. So not really a right wing type of position. Yeah, that's what, you know, that's one where you go, oops, I probably should have done just a smidgemore homework, you know, and realized, oh, oh, okay. Yeah, I just called.

But I mean, you might as well take the media coverage and run. It's only, I mean, since that happened, how's the, I assume, it's. It's attracted a few people to you. Yeah, yeah. I'll be honest, the first day when I saw that, like it hit hard. And I was like, wow, that kind of hurts because you know who you are. But to see your name being portrayed something completely different was hard. But then the following day when I heard what Scott Premier Scott Moore was saying,

it's uh when he says it's time we end the stigmatization of the unvaccinated i'm like wow he actually listened or or maybe it was my videos that he said he didn't watch it i'm pretty sure he did i'm pretty sure they all did they want to say they didn't but why would he have called so so but i think they're starting to see what's happening out there and And they have friends and family that are not vaccinated. So they know. They hear the stories. So I think it was, I think it was something they were feeling for a while.

And then they just hadn't, didn't know where to start or how to approach it or what. Because when I talked to Scott on the phone, it was something we talked about, about the division and stuff. and I told them stories. And he's like, I'm getting the same stories. I have family and friends who aren't vaccinated. So he's like, I know it's a problem. So I said, okay, then address it. And he said he was planning on it.

But I don't think he was planning on addressing it that early. But then Ryan didn't really give him a choice. So it was kind of neat to see that happened so fast. And even not just that, if you, if you, if you are interested in politics, if someone's watching this, if you go back and look at question period that week, there was more than just those words. There was a complete switch in the house. When he did his speech on Thursday, I think it was around 11 o'clock, if you go back and watch it,

he did his speech and he had a standing ovation from all the MLAs. You could almost see like this weight or this dark cloud kind of be lifted. Like almost like people were waiting for this, but they didn't want to say anything. they didn't want to kind of go against him. And then all of a sudden you see this, this big lift. So I'm hoping, I'm hoping it's going to stay that way. And I'm hoping it's not going to go back to, we're going to make it difficult for you or we're going to make it uncomfortable for you.

I'm hoping there's going to be changes coming in the future. But I do understand, too, we got to understand any move they do, whether it be courageous, or the right thing to do, if it doesn't fit the mainstream narrative, they're going to get attacked. Like, he got attacked for doing something good, calling people in the community, calling someone who represents a big part of his voter base. And he got to attack for that. So what do you think is going to happen when he starts implementing changes to unsstigmatize the unvaccinated?

see he's going to get it from all sides so it's going to be when when i think about how do we affect change is more than just changing the minds of the politicians we might be there with the stigmatizing of the unvaccinate but we need to change the mind of the public interest or the public perception too because politicians are just going to do what the public wants them to do So we need to show them what the public wants because the mainstream media is not going to do it. So the way you show them is unified grassroots. We now have 14,000 members in two months. That kind of gives Mo the message that, okay, maybe a lot of people aren't okay with the policy.

They're implementing. So they have a job to do, but we also have a job to do as the public. Let them know that we're okay with the, we love the new direction they're going. Like call your MLA and say, what happened this week at the house is awesome. Keep going that way. Start doing, following it up with actions. Don't, don't call and say, I don't trust you. It's the worst thing you could have done.

You lied to us then. I don't trust you now or kind of follow it up with hate. I know we're angry for what they did before. But if we want change and we want them to keep. going that way let's let them know all our loud voices that we like the new direction that we want them to keep going that way so it's hard to do when you're so angry at someone for treating you poorly but i think i think right now it's funny i kind of use this with my kids you know reward the good behavior don't constantly bring up the bad behavior right you want to reward the good behavior

So when they do something good, you call and say, good job, good job. I'm really happy you did it that way. But you don't say, oh, but you did a really bad mess yesterday, you know? So kind of see it that way. Treating the government like our children. I think you're the second person in, I would say a week. I think it was Shane Getson first. He was the MLA from Alberta that came on.

and gave me a little bit of hope. And I haven't felt that way in a long time. And I had a lot of listeners text me going, geez, that was rather enjoyable. And what I hear you talking about, I go, hmm, there's something there because I can feel that. Like when I listen to you,

I go, hmm, yeah, I like that. So here's my question to you. How do people join, get a hold of you, find a way to become a part of this, if they're in Saskatchewan. I don't know if it matters if they're in Saskatchewan. I assume that would be most preferable. But at the same time,

if they want to help lend a voice to what you're doing, Nadine, how do they find you? Sure. We've got our website, which is unified grassroots.com. So just spelled, just like it said, unified grassroots.com.

You can also find us on Facebook, on our Facebook group, which is unified grassroots. So we have a group, a business page. If you don't want to join the group, you can follow the business page. Same name. Just the business page, all our posts there are public versus the group is when it was made. It was made private.

So you can't share any of the stuff in there. So there's those locations. We also have, you can subscribe to email updates with the website. You just go on our website. It'll say, get connected. And then there's an option in there. I believe we do have Twitter, but we're just starting to use it. What I'll do is in the show notes, I'll put your website.

I think that'd probably be the safest way for them to find you, right? Everything's on the website. So, yeah, and you said a comment about Saskatchewan. So one of the things out of this, we had, E.Poc Times did a really awesome article about us. So we've actually had a lot of people from Ontario, B.C., Nova Scotia, kind of all over Canada to actually join this past week. And I forgot to mention, we've grown by 4,000 in the last two,

well, it'll probably be two and a half weeks since I made that video there. And even just this last week, I think this last week is by 3,000. So a lot of people are joining. And I think whether it's good press or bad press, the people who watch mainstream media, who are aware,

they know everything gets twisted. So they, I think it sent a lot of people, oh, Ryan doesn't like her. I'm probably going to love her. And the funny thing is I actually had some people message me to people who were NDP before. And they said after seeing that, they couldn't believe how much, like they had to go check out for themselves. And they actually like what we're about. And they're like, yeah, we're not voting for Ryan again. So he's actually losing some followers.

But it's, yeah. I think if you guys want to have like a place where you can kind of make a difference and have a strong voice that will actually make a difference that that will actually put pressure. I think the more we grow in numbers, the louder that voices that voice gets, you know, because it's something to say you have 500 people in your group. But let's say gross to 50,000 in Saskatchewan, that's 50,000 that cannot be no matter how much. Well, and everybody's searching for a way to move the needle, right?

It's just like, how do we move the needle? How do we just affect a little bit of change? It doesn't have to be this giant thing. And with your group, you've moved the needle, even if it's a slight bit. It's a noticeable bit, right? And so therefore, you've shown the way for people to maybe start to move the needle in their own respective camps, their respective provinces, et cetera. and I think everybody's searching for solutions.

We've all been complaining and finding the problems in everyday life. Everybody wants a little bit of hope. And I feel like you're offering some of that up, which is pretty cool. That's pretty rare in these times to find something like that. Well, before I let you out of here, Nadeen, we've got to do the final question brought to you by Crudemaster Transport. Shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald. Supporters of the podcast is the very beginning. I sometimes wonder, I'm going to have to have Heathrow.

back on here because I mean the podcast has gone from Don Cherry and that sort to now where we sit and I'm not I put I tell you what Nadine I put you in the same company as as as Don Cherry so here's here's my one question for you I'm curious what your thoughts on this are but I've had a lot of different people give me different guests they would have on who would you sit down and pick the brain of right now maybe within Saskatchewan I'm going to hold it to Saskatchewan and see if there's a name that comes up that you're like, you know what? I'd love to sit and pick this person's brain.

Oh, yes. What's his name? Well, I wouldn't want to pick his brain. I'd want to debate with him. Okay. Is it Dr. Missouri? What's his name? The one in Saskatoon that's...

The one in Saskatoon that was on the articles from Global? No, I don't know. I don't know here. I'm going to just Google it. Oh, wait. Are we talking this talk? The one that just always raising the alarm causing fear and panic in Saskatchezan Mazri? Yes.

Him and debate with him. Ooh. I would love to have him. Ring the bell. Sean Newman podcast. Hassan Mazary versus a, well, no, not versus a nice discussion with Nadine Ness. Hey? I think, I think.

But see, that's the thing. think you have some people that are pushing that fear narrative so strong and what we will and they're allowed they're given the platform they're all over mainstream media and then you don't have the counter narrative out there i'd love to get both narratives out there and see who comes out the the strongest well i don't even know even debates of of doctors like jason uh i not McCollum. Jason? Is it Jason McCall?

No, it's Peter McCullough. Yeah, yeah. Or having him and or Ryan Miley, whatever his name is, Masur, and some other doctors and see and see, and just see what would happen. See, but I don't think they'd ever come up.

Yeah, I disagree. I think they would. No? I don't know. Yeah? I don't know. I tell you what, leave it in my court. I mean, what is it?

See if Ryan will come on with me. Let's put it this way. Why would a guy, and I mean, there's no offense, actually, I'll cause offense to the two of us. Why would a guy like Hassan be nervous about a lady Nadine? Really? I mean, at this point, he's been in the ICU room. He knows all about everything COVID-related inside it out. I would think at this point.

So for him, maybe this is my thought for if he ever listens to this. It's like you want to talk to all the people that you think are just a bunch of morons. Come on here. There's a lot to listen. And let's see what you have to say. Because maybe you can convince half of them you're right. And you win part of the segment back to you. And see, see that you said a point there.

He's in the ICU. He sees that side of it. He doesn't see all of this side. No, because there's, yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a ton of different perspectives going on in society right now. I mean, you having kids, me having kids, we know a little something different going on right now. And that is, well, I was a parent. That's, that's why I sit here doing what I do. And I've said that multiple times.

But regardless, I will, let's ring the bell. Let's see if anything comes of it. I appreciate you coming on and doing this with me and giving me some of your time, away from your family. And I appreciate what you're doing. I think anytime you can move the needle, I can't honestly sit here and say, I know of too many doing it in Saskatchewan or Alberta for just where I sit.

I haven't seen many. So I appreciate you what you're doing. And I look forward to seeing what you do in the future here. Sure. And also I just want to say it's not me moving the needle. It's our whole group. So I don't want to take all the credit for it because it wouldn't have been possible. without our whole team and all the members and stuff.

So. Yes. Yes. I apologize. Of course, I mean your group. Yes. I just don't want to say it's all me because it's not,

it's not just the group. I sit like throughout all of this, God has been completely guiding my steps. So I even have to give him credit because I wouldn't be able to do this on my own if it wasn't for him. So, but yeah. I appreciate some time of yours and go back to your kids. Thanks, Andy.

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