Shaun Newman Podcast - #228 - James Sinclair & Henry Seidlitz

Episode Date: December 27, 2021

James is a military veteran with 33 years of service & Henry has worked in the oilfield all his life - together they represent a combined effort to change the minds of SHA (Sask Hockey). Beginning January 10th Sask hockey will require certain age groups/levels to show proof of vaccination or negative covid test. Here we discuss some of their thoughts, experiences & efforts. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Support here: https://www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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The first is a current member of the Royal Regina Rifles that has served in the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. He's also served with the two-commando Canadian Airborne Regiment, served in Croatia, Bosnia, Afghanistan. He was in the Canadian military for 33 years, and currently he resides in Regina Beach. The second? A volunteer firefighter, former Lashburn Flyer, Nielberg Monarch,

Bethune Bulldog. You might say a veteran of the Saskatchewan Senior Hockey Leagues has worked in the oil field from regulation to drilling to production. Currently, he resides in Lumsden. I'm talking about Jameson, and Henry Sidelets. So buckle up. Here we go.

Hey, this is James Sinclair. And this is Henry Sidelits, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by James Sinclair and Henry Sidelitz. So hopefully I got that right, big fella. I'm staring at you. I feel like the last name I was going to torture it.

So thanks for driving up, fellas. This doesn't happen every day. It's been happening more, actually, I should say. So first off, thanks for stopping in the studio. Thanks for having us. Yeah, thank you. I would say that normally nobody drives as far as you two have, but actually in the last couple months,

it's been starting to happen more often, which kind of, I think, shows us a little bit of where we're at with things going on. Obviously, you guys are here for your reasons, and the people who've come before have come for their reasons, but they're all looking for a channel to get something that's meaningful out to the public, because as we sit right now, it's strange times.

Absolutely. Now, we're going to start with James. I just want you to give the listener a little bit of your background and a little bit of your story just so they can get a feel for you. And I'm probably going to poke and prod as we go along and then we'll switch over to Henry and we'll see where it goes from there. Okay, well, set your wake-up alarm. I hope I don't put anybody to sleep on this. But I started out in the military in 1988 against my will. my five-foot-nothing mother, which was Irish, forced me to join the Army to get some discipline.

It was best thing never happened to me. So fast forward to being in the Army in Croatia in 1993, had all these foolish ideas about, you know, what a soldier does and why he's doing it. And being my first war zone and seeing the actual effects of what humanity can do to each other, unfortunately, I saw, you know, know what it does to kids and uh i do many talks around the province to schools and to other groups and and it always goes back to education because education is truly the the secret to world peace and i'm not trying to be you know saying that that i know the answers to everything but i know education has a key to it so i had to do you do you mean education as in like going to school and getting an education that way or do you mean like traveling and seeing the world?

If we can start in our own backyards and have an education system where kids can go to school with a full belly and sit and learn about life and history and do good things in our own community, it just perpetuates and moves throughout your province, your country, eventually the globe, right? We got to start within and work out. It's like when you heal yourself, you got to heal yourself before you heal somebody else. right so we're too busy running around the planet trying to solve everybody else's problems when we don't even have clean drinking water in our own backyard like we got to start working within and work out right until your house is clean in order you can't tell somebody clean their house and

get it in order right and unfortunately that's what's going on in our in our government type you know system right now unfortunately so sorry to no no back to my story because i could be on that for hours but anyways um i got this young kid and this is this is early fighting season you know they haven't evacuated the the people from the from the combat zone yet um the both the croasians and the serbs are preparing for a big summer battle like like there's five kilometers to cut in croatia off. We're right on the tip of this. And there's this young kid. And on this observation point that we monitor daily to check on enemy movement, this kid's at the bottom of the alley every day. And he's there to get food for his family. And he's wearing rags. You can see in his face

of distress, you know, constant like his family would have been talking about what's going on. He's a young kid five years old or younger, listening to what's going on. And his main goal is to get food from us United Nations soldiers that feed to his grandpa and his grandma and his mother because his dad's off, you know, on the line, you know, preparing to attack or counterattack from whatever army starts it off first. So he started realizing like this isn't just a fact, like this isn't a war like where it's just them and us. Like there's people involved and and there's feelings and there's emotions and it as a you know 20 year old guy thinking you're you're everything you're realizing no this is this is more than just me against them like so that started sinking into my head and it changed my thoughts on lots of things in life. So fast forward to being in Bosnia in 97 there was you know racial cleansing where they would

take the opposite, be it Muslim or be it Serb or be a Croat, and they would do things to each other that I'm not going to get into, but it's beyond compensation. Like, people just don't understand it. Like, you can't tell people the things that humans will do to each other because they're a different person. And it all started with a divide. You know, those wars started because somebody started a small thing like,

he's Croat, he's Serb, Greek Orthodox, he's Muslim. You know, like, it just starts slowly and it fosters and turns into something very ugly, very fast. And unfortunately, I'm starting to see those slips in our own society, and it's kind of scary in a way. Moving forward to being in Afghanistan, again, those kids, they've never not seen war.

Like since the early 80s, like 1970, those, that family or that group of people have never seen peace. It's just been constant conflict. And one thing that is an indicator to me is when you see a kid, you know, flush in color, big eyes, and the crackling in their voice, and they're talking about something, right? So I got a six-year-old boy coming home from school. and talking about COVID and talking about how scared he is about it. Yeah, there's no bullets flying, but it's talked about at school. It's talked about the supper table. It's on the news.

It's everywhere these kids can hear. And they're scared. Like, we have no idea. We think it's, we have no idea what we're doing to our kids because we haven't been through those strifes in Canada since, you know, late 1800s, really. and it's terrifying for me to think where these kids are going to end up. The other day my son come home from the school bus and because his principal makes them wear a mask during gym, because for whatever reason we feel by adding layers onto the onion,

we're going to protect our kids better. My kids got to wear a mask and gym running around playing dodgeball. and he came home the other day he's got to wear a mask in the school bus which is kind of understandable if that's the rules you want to have and I'll stop you right there you should go back to Brandy Suvon here the listeners following this podcast I was just like you I went I grew up rural riding the school bus

I heard about the kids wearing a mask especially the young ones and everything and I was like that kind of makes sense you know they're in a you know small space for a while, whatever, and she had her son show up essentially unresponsive when they got him home. Her husband was a U.S. military man, revived him, and he'd basically become unresponsive. We'd fallen asleep as a five-year-old on a bus with a mask over his face on it for a long time. And the response we got from that episode gives me the chills because how many people in our provinces,

you know, you guys were joking when you first got here. We're just in Alberta. We're in border city, so I get responsive. from both sides, we're lots of rural population in both provinces, and how many kids that's happening to right now. And the Alberta government knows about it, nothing's changed. And so, to me, when it comes to the reason I speak up about it is because I've now listened to a mom sit here and tell me about it, and it's eerie, and I really implore any listener

who hasn't listened to that. I go back a few episodes to Brandy Suva and hear about her son Hudson, and it'll it'll make your skin crawl. Anyways. So my son is like physically grabbing his mask when I'm undressing him from all of his clothes and such, you know, coming in from outside jacket and ski pants. And he's like, he's like, dad, I just want to tear these masks up. Like he's so pissed off, right?

Like, and it, it upsets me because I can't tell him any different than, like, because he's got to follow the rules, right? but I know that it's causing him stress, but I can't, how do you fight that, right? Other than doing what we're doing now. And we're going to get into it a little bit later with, you know, with Henry and the great points he's brought to light to me. But when it comes to our kids, like back in the 60s when our government at the time said,

you'll never take our resources. The biggest thing that happened and the worst thing to happen to our province is everybody left for Alberta because Alberta opened up for a while. And the best people of our province left to work in Alberta. We're slowly getting some of those people back.

Today we're on the phone with a guy he's thinking about moving to the states. There's already a bunch of them to move to the states. Because our government is depriving them of freedom that we should have. And again, this could be the second purge of good people and good leadership that our province is going to need in the future by taking them out and their children and their families.

So I don't think people really have thought everything through. And I'm glad some like government organizations like SaaS hockey and such, they've actually watched things evolved and they've been fluid and been able to adjust some of their policies, which I'm very thankful for. But the mental health side of this that we're doing not to ourselves, but to our children, is it's horrific and we're doing it willingly and not understanding the full result of it. I was trying to find it. Jordan Peterson has a quote that's basically, you follow the rules until the rules no longer

make sense. And we're at a point right now, guys, where the rules no longer make sense. We all have young kids. We're seeing it on a first day basis. I don't let my son use hate. He's five. And he said, I hate COVID. And I went, well, actually, that one kind of fits, buddy.

You can use it on that. That's a five-year-old. The thing is, like today we're here talking about this, and I'm willing to put myself on the line. I don't want my kids involved in any of this. Yeah. But they shouldn't receive any harassment for their father standing up for what he believes. That's right.

And you should be able to, at least, least be able to raise your children and make sure that they're going to grow up physically and mentally strong. And we're not able to do that because, you know, there's not enough people right now standing up and saying, hey, let's take another look at this. Let's really look at like the stats show that the shot isn't going to protect you. You're going to catch and spread it. And let's figure out a way where we can.

live with this and make sure our kids are going to be healthy because that's the future to our nation right there. And if we're given them like potentially disabilitating their ability to be mentally and physically strong as we grow older, who's going to take over the nation, right? Like there'll be a day where people are knocking at our door for our resources and if we can't fight and keep our like our country together and make it stronger, we're losing it. all so I just I just feel that our kids are our future and we've got to be able to figure out a way to make them healthy and strong yeah well when it comes to children specifically they're at such a low risk from COVID I'm not saying there's no risk there's always risk but there's so such a low

risk of all of this and you think about it we had them in school the entire time right if they were you know falling off the face of the earth we wouldn't have been doing that as parents. They went through this entire thing. You look at the stats. The stats show they are, you know, Alberta's own website. And I'd like to bring up Alberta because they do, compared to Saskatchew, and they do a pretty damn good job of at least giving you the stats so you can read through them. And it shows they're more susceptible to the flute. They're even more susceptible from getting hurt from falls. And so you just come back to it. Adults, we've had our choice. Everybody's made it. At some point, you've got to move on, right? Adults have made their choice. Kids, there's no

to force it on them. And I would come back, I get to be a little bit of the A-hole in the room on Saskatchew. I agree they adjusted, but they adjusted because of pressure. And you see what pressure does to organizations when we exert it. That comes back to the people. And the people when they don't exert pressure, nothing changes. They just think, oh, we're moving along. And what happened with children, as soon as they started to bring it out, Jason Kenney was a prime example. All of a sudden he said, oh, but it's parents, you know, and it's just your choice, it's your choice, and he made sure that was, because he could feel the anger coming. You can feel the anger when you start to tell parents what they have to do with their children.

So going back to this, like I guess I really should state this as well, like being in the military deployed all over the place that I went, I've never questioned vaccines. Like going through basic training in Cornwallis, there'd be two nurses on either side of you. You're going through the line, no shirt on. They're jamming shit in your arms. Like, you just take it, right? No, it's, it's like, so I'm, I've never, never questioned science, right? I'm never, because that's this, that's, you know, we've been using these things for 20, 30, 40 years, however long, these vaccines have been out.

And, um, no questioned it. So I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I just don't, like, for, for an example, my oldest son, when H1N was going around, that was given to. to kids. So I was doing security for the province at the Olympics in Vancouver. I get a phone call from my wife, hey, our son got the shot. He's not doing well. I'm taking him to the hospital. He's bleeding profusely from his nose. He's puking up blood. And, you know, I'll let you know what's happening, right? So now, you know, my ex is keeping me updated. I'm looking at flights to come home they get him in the hospital they do tests on him he has zero platelets like all of his platelets are

are gone after like within a couple days of the shot which means he can bleed out right yeah yeah so he almost bled to death like they tried cauterizing his nose and just complications on that he's a five-year-old kid oh man and he's throwing up blood and eventually the doctors get ahead of the bleeding they they're giving them you know interviecy iBs you know doing whatever they have to do out I wasn't there, but this is what my ex was telling me. And so being gone, you know, like, am I on a plane? Am I not on the plane? Like, what's going on?

And so I come home from it all. They stabilize them. I come home after the Olympics and we question the H1N one shot. You know, like this is the only thing that's changing his life. He's been perfectly healthy up to this, had many nosebleeds, you know, regular kid stuff and his nose would stop bleeding. He got the shot two days later. His nose doesn't,

it doesn't stop. Like, what's going on? And what did they say? They basically laughed this out of the room, right? Really? Yeah, like it was like, nope, this has nothing to do with the H&N one shot. So that right there didn't raise concerns and certainly didn't get, I don't know, an adverse reaction report filed.

No, nothing. No, nothing. Because it, and I don't know if you've ever had, or, or, talk to anybody that's gone up against the, the, basically the policies of the health department, like, they're the big brains and like, they've got all the control, like, as being a parent and just suggesting such a thing. And this is back in 2010. Yeah, it's not gotten better. Yeah, it was, this was probably, like, that's probably the, and it had to have happened to other kids across the country or even in the United States, wherever they were given out H1N

with shots. So the data probably goes back that far if they collected it, but they didn't collect it from us. They basically left us out of the room. And at that time, you really realize you're up against a big, powerful force, right? And how do you stand up to that? Like, how do you find out who other kids had that? Because they would have been treated the same, I assume.

So how do you find out who else in the country had that same situation, right? So that's why I guess I'm here today is because now I know my son and I know that the different vaccines do affect platelets. So I've gone to the doctor. They've given them a note saying that it's got to be studied by, you know, by the pediatricians and other people in that medical field, which they're still looking at it. But, you know, it's hard to know what direction these guys are going to go because they basically got a mandate. They got to follow too because they could lose their license.

But wouldn't it make sense to the three of us sitting here that you walk in, you tell that story and then this go here, here's an exemption. Like, I mean. That hasn't been our experience. I can tell you firsthand unless you're showing a reaction to that first shot. they're not going to give you. Well, and the reaction in the first shot has to be a pretty specific reaction.

So, and here's the thing. Like, they want a cookie cutter solution to everything. Just to make it easy for everybody, because at the end of the day, health issues are individual. Like, everybody's different. We're all different, mentally, physically. So what I'm asking for, for my own son

that has, you know, displayed a reaction to a, to a H1. an end one shot. I want them to look at this in a light that's not cast down by the government or by policy makers in the medical department. I want them to look at my son's situation individually and without bias or without recall on their own practices. Like I want doctors to be able to go, this is the best thing for this kid, not for like a cookie cutter. This is what everybody's doing. you got to do it. Yeah.

And so far, you know, they are going to look at that and they're going down the road. But because I was caught snoozing when I should have been doing things like this earlier, which Hank will get into earlier a little bit later here. But, yeah, it's important that I'm here and I'm talking on behalf of my family. And I thank you for letting me be here. I appreciate you guys making the drive. Now, Henry James has been sucking up the air time. It's all good.

Give the listener a little bit on your backstory. Yeah. I'm just your normal run-of-the-mill, boring, born-and-raised, small-town, Saskatchewan kid. I've been living in Lumsden since 2008, but I grew up on a farm outside of Bethune. I played all my minor hockey in Bethune and Bethune and Lumson area. I'm a father of two beauties of sons and, you know, husband to my lovely wife for 20 years. Worked my whole career in Saskatchewan and Alberta. I'm one of those Sasky kids that moved away to Alberta and found my way back home.

I'm a professional engineer. I've got 23 years of experience in the mining and upstream. oil and gas industry. I currently own my own consulting business. And yeah, I'm, I guess the story I'm here to share with people today is, like, as a lot of people who know me, understand I'm pretty engaged in my community, what my kids are active in. I've coached my kids pretty much all the way through their ball and minor hockey.

member of the Lumson Fire Department I'm currently on the Lumson Rink Board, former Duck Derby Chairman I've been on the rep, I've been a rep on the Lumson Minor Ball Association. Do I dare hop in and ask what the Duck Derby is?

It's pretty cool. It's, yeah, it's a... 10,000 ducks. It's a major fundraiser in the community. Down the river? Yeah, we... We drop 25,000 ducks down the river on a year where we sell out, which they actually did this year. It's, they started it to raise funds for a new rink in town, but it's been going on ever since.

And yeah, it's, yeah, it's a good time. It's five bucks a duck. The duck that crosses the finish line wins the first prize, and there's usually 20 other prizes. You try to herd 25,000 ducks. No kidding. Well, I was going to say in Hillman, we did a duck derby, but we had an engineer build us a little course the size of this table. And then we put a little motor on it, so it swirls the water.

And then we do heats of 12. And it's a huge night on our rec hockey tournament night. And then we have a Calcutta in the middle where we have one race. We get an auctioneer out to auction off a bunch of, you know, Wayne Ducksky. and things like that. It's funny. And it raises a ton of money. It's a ton of fun.

So I was curious what your, Dr. Derby. This one goes down the Coppell River. Okay. Geez, I think we calculated it at one time. It's, it's, I don't know, probably three quarters of a mile down the river. How long does it take them to go down the river? Depends. Like, there are weather conditions that, like, impact the speed of the race quite a bit.

like there was one year. I wasn't part of the Duck Derby, but the wind was working against them. I think when they came out of the cage, they actually went backwards upstream, about a couple hundred yards. And there were people out there with flashlights till like 2 o'clock in the morning waiting for the winning ducks to come across.

But usually it's about, I don't know, anywhere's from 30 to 45, maybe an hour-long race. Can you imagine how often kids are down at that river finding ducks? Oh, they find them in the lake. Yeah, they end up in Last Mountain Lake. Yeah, people return them. Oh, yeah. They do a pretty good job of collecting all of them,

but yeah, there's some that go astray. Absolutely. But, yeah, getting back to, like, just the volunteer effort that's in the community and myself personally, I'm fairly involved. You talked about the drive that we made up here. I've done it many times.

I've lived in Lloyd. Both my boys were born here. spent a lot of time in town and yeah I made that trip a few times um well for locals he's a former lashburn flyer Neilberg monarch please don't hold that against them too much right exactly yeah yeah played in the North Sask River hockey league for oh gosh I got to think back a handful of years I was I was a flyer for a couple years and then found my way out to Lloyd Minster or to Neilberg

and uh yeah fell in love with that Marsden, Nielberg area. Actually, when I was a student, still going to the U of R, spent a summer out there living with the home at alls out in their farm and playing ball with the Lakers. And summer 96, it was a good one. Yeah, lots of fun. So, yeah. Were you like James then, where you sleep at the wheel, not thinking this would impact your kids?

Absolutely. Yeah. And I think for somebody like myself that feels like they're pretty engaged with what their kids are doing and feel like you give a lot of your time, I did quickly find that I was caught, I guess, I don't know, sitting back thinking this isn't affecting me, not affecting my family. you know, there's mandates, there's rules but, you know, it wasn't

impacting me. And I was even, I was fairly engaged. Like, coming into this hockey season, I attended a lot of the rink meetings, the annual general meeting for the hockey association, and was waiting to hear, you know, some kind of a mandate or rule that was going to impact us and that we'd have to make a decision

and was fairly, engaged and thought I was on top of things until November 11th, rememberance day, I'll never forget it, sitting there on the couch, watching Remembrance Day ceremony and having one of my boys come up and toss their cell phone on my lap and say, look Dad, this is what Sask hockey is doing to the, you know, U-15 and U-18 AA players in the province, and right in the middle of the hockey season, quickly found myself kind of on the defensive and in a position where, you know, I thought it wasn't impacting me, but it quickly was. And, yeah, that's kind of my, my story is, um, um, um,

uh, top and I got three young ones. I got five, four, too, right? So, uh, I still remember saying this aloud. Like, I'm, I'm really thankful I got young kids. So they won't have to remember or go through some of the, you know, the hardships of what we're going. Because you just assumed, you know, in a year, maybe I was being naive to think in a year this would be over and done with. But certainly at two years, I thought we would have had handles on this by now and carry on. Now my kids in, my oldest is in kindergarten. And obviously vaccines have rolled out for five to 11-year-olds.

And now they're talking about, you know, from newborns up and you're going, like, where does this end? Like, where does this end? And I think for a lot of people, you know, you two have shared your stories on, you know, how it, all of a sudden you're like, oh, like this is going to impact me. I feel like that's happening to everybody right now. Not everyone across the board, but everybody's coming to a realization at different times. Like, oh, you know, to go play in the rec curling league, I got to have my vaccination. Hmm. Or to have my kids play, you know, hockey.

I got to, they got to have their vaccination. you know and it's it's it's kind of getting to this strange point where the everyday person who just wants to you know be a good citizen work their job go to coach their kids hockey team etc is starting to stare at this and go this is this is getting this is getting wrong like this doesn't make any sense anymore well the sorry to jump in on this um okay so it started out where it started out where you know, if we're going to get our vaccinations, it's all going to be over. Because basically that's what the government

and the media we're telling everybody is like, you know, we're going to get ahead of this. We're going to win. Well, the numbers and the stats don't lie. Like, the vaccination is not getting as to where we want to be. And more people with vaccines that are vaccinated are catching it more than the non-vaccinated. It's a debate to see.

who's more like ill or not ill, I think that really depends on the fitness or the ability of that person to fight off the COVID at the time, whatever variant it is. So now that people are realizing that vaccinated people aren't the problem, the government's still saying it is, but actual local people, and Henry, maybe you should talk about the situation

with your wife that was invited and, you know, if you want to elaborate on that before I carry on, but. Yeah, no, it's, it's becoming more, well, I mean, the kids are going home from, you know, from school and on a Christmas vacation and what are they coming home with, right? Rapid tests, you know, the teachers are sending them home with rapid tests, and it's not just the unvaccinated kids that are getting these tests, which, I mean, you know, if, if you haven't done one before, they're, they're not hard to. to do. And, you know, they give you a point in time that you can make a decision. And,

and yeah, more and more, I guess, people that, you know, felt that, you know, I've done my part, I've got my vaccine, but it's becoming evident that, you know, we need to be testing as well to feel like that we can go out and see our loved ones. All the stuff that, you know, some of the unvaccinated population have been having to do to keep their jobs. And, and, you know, play their sports because their own personal decision or personal medical situation put them in the minority and put them in a segregated part of society and vilified by, you know, media, by our leaders, by politicians.

Listeners always love to point this out. I'll stretch it to go by the beer, to get in a restaurant, to go to an oiler game, I assume it's Saskatchewan Rush game. and one of my lovely listeners always love to point out to go into a courthouse. To go into a courthouse, you have to have your vaccine or a negative COVID test, right? Yeah. And so this has started to filter into a good, good chunk of society. And it was a lawyer, the, oh God, I'm forgetting, Andre, I'm forgetting your last name, I apologize.

They just want a case against New Brunswick because they were going to have grocery stores start to say that you couldn't go in the grocery store, right? Yeah. You can do curbside pickup. And you just see where this is heading. And yet all of us sit back and, I mean, the news is even talking about it at this point, right? Like, I'm not sitting here acting like millions of vaccinated people are dying, but they're getting sick, which means they're spreading COVID, which means if the whole point of all this is to stop spreading COVID, maybe we need to rethink how we're approaching problems. Because, honestly, it's pretty evident at this point. It doesn't stop transmission.

And it doesn't even stop you from getting it. that you get easier symptoms or less severe symptoms, but you're still getting it, which means you can still get it, you can still pass it, and yet we're penalizing a small part of the population that hasn't went and got the vaccine. Which goes back to that, you know, situations in foreign countries where it starts off as a small thing and it starts off against you and them. And we've all heard those words, and it's actually quite alarming how. quickly our society went from peaceful loving people to all of a sudden now we got a situation

where we got families turning on each other within their families we've got people willing to point people out that they're vaccinated not vaccinated to to the situation where the government is actually depriving non-vaccinated people to hey listen to and if you're not vaccinated, you don't get to enjoy these parts of life. Although they pay their taxes, they do what they've got to do to survive. And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, creating another divide which our country at any time in its history needs to be brought together. Yeah. And I think it's starting to turn the corner like the example that,

that, that, that you kind of let us into here with, you know, you know, you know, your friends, your family that would normally, you know, I'm vaccinated. I'm good to go. come over, let's go do this, let's go do that. Like, it's starting to become, I guess, more acceptable that, no, we got to check ourselves too. Like, yeah, we're going to have a house party, but before you come over, you know, those kids that, you know,

your kid brought home from school or the kids that they're handing out, you know, at the, you know, town hall, like, let's, let's take a check before we go visit grandma or before we come over. And it's, I don't know, it's, it's, starting, I think, to turn the corner, like, especially when you have, when you have, you know, leaders in the community and in government that are saying, you know, like, I got to hand it to Scott Moe for sticking his neck out and being one of the very first leaders and premiers of, you know, the provinces that make up our great country to come out and say, you know, it's time to stop vilifying the unvaccinated, like for him to do that, to stick. his neck out it took a lot um you know he took a lot of heat for for saying that especially when it is almost a 180 degrees different to you know things that he'd said before uh that that takes a lot of courage i think that shows some leadership and and uh you know what i called his office uh afterwards

somebody that we'll talk about later um in your show here um you know somebody that you know when you see positive behaviors to support them. Well, Nadine Ness comes right to mind because they just had her on, right? Yeah. You got to applaud them. I mean, Scott Moe has a lot of things rolling through my brain, and at the end of the day, you got to applaud them for trying to take a step in the right direction. I called his office.

They picked up the phone, the gal at the reception. She couldn't put me through to him, but, you know, said, what do you want to say? And I just told her, I said, you know, as somebody who's, you know, on the receiving end of some of these, you know, some of the things that are happening and on the receiving end of some of his comments to hear him turn around and say, you know, this is, this is wrong. This isn't us. This isn't the way that we should be treating each other. Like, you know, it was a glimmer of hope. It was a, you know, it was a small thing, but I just, I just wanted him to know that it meant a lot to me. And I think, you know, hearing things like that from our leaders is important. And of course, you know, obviously some people aren't going to agree with that. Some people have completely the other opinion, but that's not, I don't think, the way we are. And, yeah, like, I listened to your interview with Nadine. And, yeah, it's, she's another one that's, well, I keep thinking if he would just make a hard line and open, not open, I don't know, open things back up, start treating people with, like, dignity and everything.

else you get an influx from all of Canada. Everybody's waiting for somebody to do it so they can just get out of, like you look at Ontario right now and they're going back into the dark ages again and I think if I was sitting there, I'm just looking for a glimmer hope in the West to go to, right? You know what the problem is?

It's the way that our political system is structured and coordinated with our media structure, it's political suicide. Like it's really at the end of the day, they've got mandates pushed down by the federal government

the provincial government puts another layer onion on it sends it down to local government local government distributes it throughout the population and makes they don't have actual law enforcement like going around checking on this they've got health

like SaaS health guys checking on it they've got they make rink boards they make You know, people that's really, everyday people enforce this. And the reason that they're doing it is because their jobs are on the line. They got mortgages. They got to pay their bills. And I'm not trying to give them an excuse.

But they're basically financially forced into doing it. Aren't we all at this point? That's what everybody keeps saying. Like, you know, I keep asking, why aren't more doctors standing? Well, because it's their livelihood. It's everything they've worked for. It's blah, blah, blah. It's like, it's fair.

but the dark days come when when good men stand around and do nothing well and that's why I think we're here you know because I was standing on the sidelines too and looking back at it that was a wrong thing to do and I don't really care too much about myself but I care about my kids

so if 10 years down the road the vaccine's the right thing to do and it's safe and it's displayed that it's going to work hey I'm all for it. They've had flu shots for however long. Never had a flu shot in my life. I've lived all over the world.

I've been exposed all kinds of whatever's out there. Thank God I've stopped licking doorknobs, so I'm a little bit healthier. And, you know, like, but maybe that made me stronger too. Who knows, right? Your body is such an amazing organism that fights stuff off constantly where it's a constant miracle going on inside of us. Well, and you said early on vaccines have been around for 30, 40 years. They've actually been around for 300 years. We've been having this 1720.

If you go back in the books, for 300 years of the population has been arguing about vaccines. So, like, some of these vaccines have been trialed and tested and screwed up and tested again and screwed up again. And, you know, for a long time. This has been a moral dilemma for a long time because when you vaccinate a huge swath of people, you have to understand there's going to be healthy people in there that get hurt by it. Okay, here's my question. You hear that? Yeah.

How long has humanity been on the planet? A lot longer than that. Like 20, 30,000 years? Well, like, who, who, uh, what number are we going here? Yeah, exactly. You want to go back, you want to go back to the old bones? To one where a caveman? Yeah, well, I mean.

Like, that's a long time. So guess what? They didn't have science. A hundred thousand years they don't have a vaccine? Yeah, whatever. So you got to believe that in our bodies. is a system to protect ourselves from viruses. Is it a complex?

It's like it's been changing for thousands and thousands of years. So you can't tell me that that our bodies aren't able to, I'm sorry to say it, but there's people that are compromised in health that need to be protected. But I go back to the average healthy, like when a baby's born, it's got to drink the mother's milk, to help its immune system to kickstart it.

Like that's the most essential thing to get your, to be like your body to survive through what it's got to go through for the rest of your life. And that has been developed by nature. And it's, it's proven to be effective. Like the Spanish flu. Like it killed millions of people across the world. Eventually,

everybody was exposed to the Spanish flu and whoever, could fight it off survived. There's still no cure for the Spanish flu, but our bodies know how to fight, and it's been passed on to us since the, you know, 1918 or whenever the hell it was around. Well, I just go back to, I just had Peter McCull on only a couple episodes ago,

and he's been on multiple times, and he talks about, you know, like, it doesn't matter if you're the most fit guy in the world or you're an 85-year-old when COVID hits you, if you take the protocols that they've been working on and developing, you just get over this. You just can. You can do it at 85.

You can do it at 22, right? Obviously, kids, for the most part, got a robust whatever because they are kicking it to the curb fast. Now, that isn't every kid. I've heard of different stories where kids develop some things or kids got underlying conditions. I'm not saying every kid, but majority of kids kick to this curb. And then as you go up, you know, the age groups, and, like, you can be the most healthy

guy. Joe Rogan's a healthy guy. He still took the monocolonial antibodies and the ivermactin and all the different things so he could get over it because there's no point in fooling around with it. And I think that's one of the things I try and impress on the listener is like when you come to the COVID thing, it's like you get it? Just treat it serious. And by treating it serious, there's a whole bunch of stuff you can do to help get over it real fast. But I mean, to have you boys in here, have all the way come up here. We haven't got to Saskatchew.

I mean, we have a little bit. but the big day coming is January 10th, isn't it? January 11th? Yeah, January 10th. Yeah, January 10th is the kind of the deadline to either be fully vaccinated or now that they've revised their policy, you know, you can present your test results, third-party test results every three days to attend any event. So, yeah.

So I got to jump in here real quick. Like, I got to really give me, I honestly, I got to give a hats off to these guys because at first, their policy was absolutely like nothing other than vaccination. Yeah. And I don't know like the, if they got a pulse on on what's going on in the community or they're looking at their numbers and seeing how this works. I bet you their phone didn't stop ringing for a week straight. Well, that could be part of it too, but I want to give them some kudos here because. I don't want to throw these guys on the box. Yeah, that's fair.

That's fair. At the end of day, like, SaaS hockey looked at what was going on. They listened to the people that are basically paying the fees and, you know, care about their, like, their children's well-being. Although the people calling in, you know, were vaccinated and unvaccinated, at the time they listened to us and they looked at the science and they made a change. And so I really feel that, you know, having that happen once, I think Saks hockey is watching and following what's going on with the infection rates.

They're watching what's going on throughout the country. And although there is a hard date that they set, you never know what could happen by the 10th of January. Like it's still... Things are changing from day to day and week to week, it seems like. So there's some leadership there. Yeah. either in the, either in the office or in the board, they're actually,

they're actually looking at what's going on. And so, well, I'm always half cup full. Yeah, for sure. I'm, hey, come January 10th, if it's still that mandate, yeah, we'll, we'll, uh, we'll work with it. I would like to see it go to where if they really want to do a,

a good thing for everybody that they look at, that vaccinated people are spreading it and catching it and catching it as much as anybody else, is that they go to a rapid test that everybody does that's on the team, part of the team, so that these kids, at the end of day, they can just go be kids and play hockey and have fun. And if they do test positive at home,

they just don't show up. And the coach doesn't, like, phone them up and give his parents the gears, right? Like, it's just, if they really want to do it right, that's, I think, the direction that everybody should go in hockey or any sport. Yeah.

You know, and that's, if we really want to make a difference, then that's the way for us to protect our kids. Do I want to see it to go that way? No. I definitely don't. I want, because of the amount of kids that get sick and get, like, die from this, I'd rather see them just be kids and live the life that we got to live. Yeah.

If you're sick, just stay home. Yeah. So you either do it all or you don't do anything. don't go in the middle and like just try and cater to the vaccinated people because obviously that's not working let's let's make it fair for everybody let's not like start doing the him and her and he is and he isn't or she is and she isn't let's treat everybody equal and and stop calling people out and either do it all like the government wants like their mandate or you don't do any of it Well, and I think they did get a lot of feedback from some upset parents, you know, people that were concerned with the direction of there's only one solution and that's it.

And I mean, even the way that it was applied to double A players only because they travel a bit more than, you know, the U15A or the U18A. Even that, I mean, when you look at where the outbreaks are happening in the province and it's available on the website, like you can go into the same. SAS health website and you can look up where the outbreaks are happening and it's it's not in sports settings there are some but um it's you know majority's happening in their homes homes school um you know there there's kids getting it and and i mean but it the hockey rink isn't the main vector right and um you know i i give the sask hockey guys a lot of credit for being accessible um you know on like you know the news hit me on

you know November 11th on the 12th as soon as the you know clock ticked over at 8 o'clock I was on the phone and and they they got me through like Kelly McClintock answered the phone and I talked to him for 45 minutes

and you know he he was accessible they've all been very accessible in terms of sending emails and and they did course correct and revise the policy, but I do think there's still some flaws in it and that it could be better.

And I guess, you know, kind of just going back to the message that I'm hoping people get out of this is, you know, just because your kid's not affected because you're able to sit at home and, and, you know, you're not happy with the direction. Or maybe you're just learning about it and it's like, well, thank goodness this, this isn't my kid. I'd implore you to pick up the phone and voice your concerns. and share that with, you know, maybe it's Sask hockey, you know, maybe it's your local school board, maybe it's your hockey rink, maybe it's your hockey association, you know, maybe you've already

been through this, like there are hockey associations and the province that have mandated this before the season even started, which at least going into the season, you knew where you were going with, like this was dropped on us right in the middle of the season and some pretty tight timelines to meet the January 10th deadline. but yeah this this whole situation that we're in it it's just changing so quickly like how many how many NHL teams right now are or are shut down like you can't even keep up with it it goes from three to five to ten to I don't know what it is today I was joking that they were talking about shutting the oilers down and they were having so many players I said you know

when was the last time Lubsden didn't play a hockey game because they only had 11 skaters I mean I mean geez and seniors that's what you kind of they're a stander road game as you're rolling in with one goalie and you got the guy stretching in case the goalie goes down he's going to flop on the goalie gear everybody says mac david can't can't play 30 i say he's the best guy on the bloody planet let him play yeah but i mean it's so evident in the n hl the NBA NFL i got an answer for your question by the way it was just this past weekend that lums didn't play a game they had an outbreak really on the team well guess what highway hockey league has had a vaccine mandate from the start of the year.

In order, all senior hockey, in order to play without masks, everybody has to be vaccinated. Yeah. So if they're... As you're playing, they've got to wear a mask. Yeah. If they're not vaccinated. Think about that. Listen, don't get me fired up about that.

I think some of these rules are just like... Yeah. My personal thought is, you know, we should be imploring people to be active, right? In a time where we've sat around for a year, two years, and we haven't deemed gym's essential, skating essential, like getting out and being active essential. Like, that's what's healthy. That goes back to the mental health for our youngest of our future leaders, right?

Like, what are we doing to protect these kids from not being seriously affected by this for the rest of their life? Like, people have no idea what they're doing by thinking they're protecting their children and their elderly. They're actually taken away from our ability to be a nation in the future. It's just mind-boggling to me. Well, we think by wrapping people in bubble suits, they're going to survive, and they'll be better off for it in the future. But we all come from, I assume, a life of where you fell, you got scraped, you got banged up, you got up, and you did it again, and mom and dad weren't there to watch it. Yeah, that's a long way from your heart, son. Get back out there.

Are you hurt or are you injured? Yeah. It's just, it's, you know, like, I always go back to Skip Crick. Skip Crick was a guest very, very early on in the podcast. He played for, like, the Buffalo Sabres and the Boston Bruins back in the Bobby Ordeys. He was on the original Buffalo Sabres team. He played for the WHA Oilers, and he said, hockey mirror society. Because we got talking about helmets and, you know, fighting in hockey.

And he just said hockey mirror society. And I just think, you know, once again, his words have really echoed a long time to me, because this pandemic, would we have done this in 1918? No, but I mean, 1918, I mean, we're 100 years ago. And people were dying, and maybe they should have done some more of what we're doing. Maybe not all of it, but some of it, because they were having people all over the place. But they were fighting a world war. They didn't give too crap.

I mean, you know. Well, it just came out of it, but you got to remember social media. Like, by the time something was going on in the Maritimes, by the time it got to the telegraph station would have been, you know, within minutes, but now to spurts that out throughout the province? You can reach every single person by the pocket. Yeah, immediately. I get an argument.

This phone is the demise of basically freedoms as a child. Like as we were kids ripping around doing whatever we were doing, you know, we actually grew up where we were free, we're respectful

because the last thing you wanted was your dad to find out. but we did stuff and things that like kids aren't going to be able to do now because they got this in her hand. If you were inside the house and the sun was still up, you were in trouble, right? Get out. Don't come back till. Yeah, you'd be washing floors or doing something that you didn't want to be doing.

Yeah. And it's actually affected how our kids grow up and we're the last generation of being free, like running like free range animals, like running around. the community. You know, and if you were getting out of the line, somebody would slap you in the back of the head and tell you to smarten up and, yes, sir, don't tell my dad where you go.

You go somewhere else, right? Yeah. And it was awesome. Like, I lived up in a community at Regina Beach and run around the beach. And if you didn't have lunch yet, somebody's house, they ate supper at your house. And you just roam around the town like a crew of guys

and, you know, on your bikes. And there was no cell phones. Like, we'd ride out to the road. rapids on gravel roads it was like 20 miles away in 30 degree weather without a water bottle between 10 of you to go throw rocks at turtles in the in the river like it was just yeah what are we doing next let's go get bottles at the beach and go buy a pop you know like 20 miles back you know that's what we did right like it was just that that that's been taken away from our kids because they can't do that anymore like you can't go out of like you don't see a kid without a

mom putting a water bottle in a kid's mouth every five minutes. When I was overseas in 06, I could go three days with three liters of water, you know, in 40 or 50 degree of weather fighting the enemy when a newer soldier that was drinking and forced to drink water through his training and such was running short on water. And we'd have to share with these guys, like us older guys. Like going through military training, when you, were told to drink water, the sergeant would stand you in a line. The guy that was being a jerk, we drank his water bottle first, and we all shared the same water bottle because you couldn't

walk around with a water bottle slushing around, giving away your work, because we're a reconnaissance's outfit. We drank his water first, so he, you know, that was the sergeant's way of saying, your shit, Ed, you know, now you have no water. So if you want more water, you better start pulling the party line, right? That was his way of controlling him, right? So, you know, that was how life was. But nowadays, it's like every time you turn around, somebody's got a layer of onion to put on a kid to protect that guy. And we're actually creating more harm than good.

Don't you think, and I don't mean, I just mean us as a collective. We've all played our part in where we're at right now. And what I mean by that is, I think here, spitballing as I go, I do this from time to time, is like, you know, this is much my world as it is your world as it is, you know, Billy's world down the road, in that for too long we've been a little complacent. And things have been really good in Canada. I can't think we, would any of us, were to disagree with that for the first, you know,

up until 20, 20, February. It'd been pretty good run until then. And this is what we've inherited by not realizing, you know, like whether it was being on, you know, just on a local level, reina board, school board, And I'm not sitting here. I want to make clear on this. There's probably been lots of lovely people on there.

But just as time marches on, things have gotten soft because probably good times, right? And we've, you know, I don't yell at the wife when she puts the water bottle in the kid's backpack, right? That's just kind of what it is now. It's common practice. It's common practice. But that's what good times have probably created is soft, soft people. And we've just, you know, we just kind of roll in. I laugh.

I'm saying that to a military guy because I'm not. I can see him. I can see him. He's sizing me up right now. He's going, I don't know if I agree with that. But I think about it. Totally. Oh, well, we were just talking about it this morning.

Like, I'm standing in Jamie's living room. And, I mean, you got to go to this guy's house. It's, well, it's beautiful to start with, but he's got a picture of his dad on a rail car, you know, loading three foot by three foot cubes of ice. I mean, these were, these were hard men. And it wasn't that long ago, you know. No, a lifetime ago. A lifetime.

There's people still alive that did that. Yeah. Like my, you know, when my parents were born, you know, they, they shit in a dirt hole. There wasn't running water in the house, right? And now, you know, we got kids, you know, you walk to the back of the bus on a hockey trip, and there's, you know, 17 kids back there, and there's 17 cell phones, and they're all, they're, you know, whatever, they're texting or, you know, they're on their social media, are they're playing a video game and they're together but it's they're not playing cards

right they're not they're not uh you know trading stories they're they're they're making memories on the on the on the in the virtual world and and i don't know if we got good kids and and uh and you know they're there they're our future but uh but yeah i don't know what kind of future they're inheriting and like i know where you're going with it like he yeah you know i i had an easy life like i and i can't and i can't sit here and say we could have done anything it, right? Like, I look at it and we can all agree. I think we can all sit here and agree. Social media is a bad thing. Like, it is a reason we're in the place we're in. It's done a lot of good things. But overall, we can all sit here and go, man, you can see the evil that is created

by something that dings at you and alerts you immediately and how you can be controlled by that. But we're not getting away from it. Like, they aren't going to just awesome snap a finger. Can you imagine tomorrow there's no social media? How many kids would come out of their house and just be like, well, what do I do now? Yeah. Oh, deck of cards. Checkers, chess. Yeah. No, but here's the problem I got with social media is anybody can pick this up and be an expert or a doctor. Yeah.

And they could be like somebody that has no idea. And somebody will read that and take it for beta. Like, this is real. Yeah. So it's like the Mars, the attack of the planets like they did in the 40s, where they did that radio broadcast to generate this, the Martians. are invading and people were grabbing their shotguns. Like they really believed it. Oh yeah.

Like that was a thing that they actually happened. Put on the radio. Yeah. And it was really just a radio show. It's just a radio show. It's just a radio show. Right. So people pick this up right now.

And it's the same situation where it's like, oh, the Martians are invading because they read something by some called doctor where they can't fact check it. And then they spread that on like right away, just out of instinct. they just like in communication with whoever without researching at first to make sure oh this is legitimate you know what I mean and that's the problem is that anything that's on here you got to do some digging and some researching to make sure what you're saying is really real because you really don't know you think we'll get better at that over time geez I don't know how you do it it's so far down the road well I mean how do you put a check stop in on that they're censoring people now

Yeah, but they're censoring them maybe because they're not saying the right things. Yeah. But even we know our news feeds are not logistic. I've been censored. The censorship part of this is scary. I've been censored, right? By having a marine biologist on the show. Think about that one.

Yeah. Like, and that's a freedom. Like, we can't start being censored. Like, we can't decide who's censored. I just, I wonder when the average person starts fact-checking not only themselves, but people they, you know, like how long does it take to realize to most people that everything that comes across your feet isn't, I should probably just, let's do a little more digging than just retweet that because maybe that doesn't feel right. Like, do we get better

at this or do we get worse of this? Well, I think we got to, we self-checked though. Like, I'll find out something and Hank's way smarter than I am. Like he's got a computer in front of them. I got a ball cap. Anyways, I go to him, I'm like, hey, man, like, what do you think of this? Like, is this something we should talk about tomorrow? Let's figure out if this is legit or not.

And if we don't know, like, and I tell this to my kids, like, don't assume anything. Like, because you're just going to make an ass of you and me, right? Like, so so let's make sure we're talking about real things. And here's the stats and the science

and the numbers, which is out there. like because SaaS government does it, Alberta does it, Manitoba does it. And going back to Kelly and like SaaS hockey, obviously these guys are feeling this because they are adjusting to what their policies are. They're giving us worst case scenario January 10th. But we don't know what's going to happen January 10th because they've already demonstrated, hey, this is what's happening now. You know, this is our new policy.

They're obviously not going to say nothing until that day, but just like they did prior to the last mandate. It's too bad they wouldn't say something before then. Because as the days get closer, you know, everybody's going to feel, because I've certainly felt a couple. But things are changing rapidly right now, right? Like, so, like, just hate bringing up military situations, but they're funnier in hell sometimes.

They're pretty relevant too. So we had a new officer. that came in to our company. We had a wounded officer. So this guy come fresh in out of Canada, hasn't been in battle yet, feels he's got to give a proper set of orders to us, and we've been fighting for four or five months by this time.

And as he's going through his battle orders and we're going to do this at this time or we're going to do this at that time, we'll be at this grid reference by this hour. you know and then we're going to attack the enemy from this position and after everything was said and done we're all listening and then he asked for questions and this older corporal sticks his hands up and he goes sir i got a question he goes yeah corporal so-and-so he goes so you ran this by the taliban taliban's okay with your timings and everybody just bursts out laughing right because like

all the plans are great until the first round is fired downrange then everything just goes to shit, right? Like, you just, you just got to cope and deal with what's in front of you. You got a plan until you get punched in the fingers. Everybody's got to plan until they get punched in the face. You just got to fight what's in front of you. You achieve that small little goal

and find the next fight and just keep moving. And you don't know who's going to make it to the end of the, like till the end of the killbox. And when you get to the end of the killbox and you figure out who's missing, where are they, let's go get them. And usually it's dehydration that,

you know, was our biggest casualties. but yeah like that's the reality dehydration was your biggest cat let me say that you got in Afghanistan in the middle of a firefight you would lose guys to dehydration 60 the hottest day I fought over there

is 64 Celsius oh it was it was so hot radios don't work it's like we were we were trying to move across an open field your body temperature is cooler than the environment you're in well no i i would beg to differ well obviously it is or we'd be dead but you got a kevlar helmet on

you got body armor on you got you're carrying all sorts of ammunition and stuff like it's yeah so you think you're running and and we've got video of us in one of these attacks where i think i'm running across this field and you can anyways there's like incoming fire and such and uh when when you actually see the video you're like is it in slow motion. Like, were we really moving that slowly across the field? But it was like everything you could do to get across that field, gain entry into the village, fight your way through the other side.

And like people physically fall flat on their face because they're just dehydrated and fall down. And going back to hydration. So I'm an older guy. Like I'm 36 at the time, which I still look like I'm 22. But anyways, that's a different story. Yeah, maybe 12. I love how he says that as we have no video for this episode. Don't worry, I'll find a picture from 20 years ago and I'll put it up somewhere.

But no, so going back to like learning how to like condition your body for those environments, like a good friend of mine, Willie McDonald, not name dropping them, but him and I would drink coffee when other guys are drinking water. Like we're like out in, like you didn't even have to heat it up. It's freaking hot. as hell right so our water would dissolve her instant coffee and we drank it and chit chat and other guys are like looking at us shaking

her head like that's coffee that's not like helping you it's like shut up fucking you know like that's just how we work because that's how we were we were raised or trained in the military no but what you're saying though like getting back to your point where buddy made the joke about it did you check this over with the Taliban like

you have a plan but I mean when the conditions when the conditions that you're working in change. That plan has to change. And that's getting back to Saskatch. And I really feel they got the leadership there that's looking at this and they've demonstrated it and I'm optimistic.

I have a cup full here. I think I'm hoping that the right decisions are made. I mean, as we sit here, how many hockey, let's just stick to the NHL, how many NHL games have been canceled now in the last three weeks and they're rolling into Christmas

they're going to probably have an extended break. You know, they're talking about not letting them go overseas now for the Olympics, right? They shouldn't go anyway. That's the entire Olympics should be. They should take every winter sport and put them in different parts of the world. Like take skiing to Switzerland, take hockey to Canada, take curling to Canada. You know, like take different parts of the Winter Olympics, put them in different parts of the world.

Let's do the Olympics, but don't do it in. China. Like after like every like the from COVID to what's going on in Taiwan to what they're doing to the leaders like where it's it's like 1936 when Germany held the Olympics prior to World War II. Like people have no idea and history repeats itself and we've always been taught that but nobody's listening and watching what's really going on. It's it's horrific. I thought you were going to go somewhere else with that. But that's a good point when you talk about essentially boycotting China is what you're saying. Yeah.

Yeah. Not that, not, let the Olympics happen but in different parts of the world. And that can happen. Where were you thinking he was going? I thought he was going to say that pro athletes have no business being in the Olympics. Because I just literally had an argument with the guy about this.

I think if you're the best, the best, you should go compete with the best, myself. And who doesn't want to be in the best? Like, I've always inspired to be working with the best, fighting with the best.

Yep. I do like watching pro hockey players get together and have a tournament where, you know, they're playing for their country. Yeah. And these guys get up for it. Think you're the, give me a different sport. You're the pro downhill skier. But since they have a circuit where somebody makes a bit of money doing it and they're the best in the world, now they're not allowed to go. So now you're not actually getting the best skier in the world.

No. That's what hockey is. They just get more money. The problem with hockey. And I believe in capitalism. Like people should make money. I get it. But they know every four years there's going to be an Olympics.

Change the schedule. Like this. And when I say cancel the Olympics, if every athlete that couldn't go to China because we can't find another place for them to do their sport, I think as a athlete, that's horrible. because they train, they're ready for it, they want to do this, and we're stealing their dream, right? What's happening, though, is you got to understand, like, by giving China the Olympics and you going there,

has nothing to do with what you're training and what you're desiring for, because sport really at the end of the day is, you know, I've got a theory behind it, everybody's got a theory behind it, they got a belief behind it. but it's something that unites us as people. It creates emotion and passion amongst people. Comeratery. Comority. It builds us like, I believe sport was invented to develop warriors in peacetime, like right back to the original Olympics, if we really look at it.

That's why sport was, you know, there. That's why I'm passionate about hockey rugby. Hockey is so much like battle. It's incredible because you're on the attack, you're on the defense. you've got to maneuver. You've got to think three steps ahead at all times. You've got to be on the ice. You've got to work together, teamwork.

And when fighting went from caveman throwing rock to Roman legions, lining up in order and learning formations to maneuver through enemy positions, that's where sport was developed to create those same teamwork and movements so men could work together as fighting units. not individuals. And so sport is developed from combat, really is where it developed to. And when you watch like young girls to young boys on the ice working as a team as a unit thinking forward of where they got to be on the attack or the defense and the main goal is to win the game,

the nice thing about sport is you don't have dead people at the end of it, right? and you have and you congratulate the people that beat you so it teaches you humility like you just learned so much about it it's it's it's best it's it's so awesome to have sport in our way of the world and our way of life right like it's it's incredible would you say it's equivalent to part of a kid's education oh totally like to me even though like there's a lot of sport that is played in the school but i mean our hockey rink is an extension of the community it's an extension of the school. Like, I mean, as essential as it is for kids to go to school and everybody knows at a public school, you can't turn kids away. I believe that our hockey rinks are an extension of that.

Well, hey. And they should be treated that way. Hey, we've coached the other. And one of the best things I love to do is, like, I'm on an initiation team now. Yeah. And I'd love to, first thing I tell the kids and I tell the coaches I coach with is I'm not here to make an NHL player. I'm here to teach a child, boy or girl, that this is going to like benefit you to be a better brother, better sister, better schoolmate, better member in our community, and a better, at the end role, like our whole job is to be a better mother or dad. I got a cool story to tell you about that. So that's my goal, right?

Yeah. And I love drawing community into. to the team, right? So I love being in the main foyer of the Lumson or Bethune Rink. It's got all the banners up there. Everybody's names. It's got us, coach's names on there, and I'll go to my boy. See that? That's your older brother's name up there. Yeah. You see that? That's my name up there. That's, you know, championship, league championship this year. And my son, you know, he's six now. He's like, hey, he's telling his buddies, hey, there's my brother's name. And, There's my dad's name.

And you know, it's cool, right? Because that's why we're better than most communities when it comes to hockey. Because when you play in the city, they don't have that link to their rink. It's harder to do. Kids play on different teams. They don't understand the banners. There's no names up there. You know what I mean?

So in a smaller environment, they see their family's names up there. Like my kid can go find my dad on the wall. Like there's a picture room on the wall. Like it's cool. Saskatchewan's built on its rural communities, its rural roots. And I would say I'd go one step farther. The hockey rink is the heart of all the communities. Absolutely.

Right? They all rallied around the rink. And that's why we can't let this end. We can't let this stop for these kids. Like our kids have to be part of this and carry on this thing that builds these communities and builds better people and builds better mother and dads, right? Yeah. It breaks that chain of like all the ugliness that's going on out there.

Our lives are getting better and we've got to believe that our kids are going to raise great kids and, you know, build our community strong. Well, that's what you guys are doing here today, right? Voicing an opinion, getting it out to a larger community because they're going to hear it, right? There's tons of people that think exactly like you two do, especially when it comes to hockey and kids. And honestly, you know, the SaaS hockey. part of it, right? That's where my roots are. So I hear all about it. When that, the ruling came down, the amount of people that I heard that were calling, you know, and I'll give this to Kelly McClintock and the team over there. The one thing that I heard that I think surprised everyone was how accessible they were.

So you got to, you got to give them credit. They didn't hide behind voicemail and not talk to people. They talked to people over and over and over again. And I think that's pretty admirable, considering the times we're in and a lot of our lovely politicians I can't say the same thing for. I did date a girl one time said that I wasn't approachable and that I was stubborn and such and you know what? She was right.

And I've learned from that like I've learned okay well they've, you know I have to be more than just think of myself and I got to like look at somebody else's position and be in their shoes. and I really believe that, like, in my heart, I believe that they're looking at things. They made a decision.

They looked at what was going on, and they were mature enough and responsible enough to make a change. And I think that's great leadership. You know, I want to be more like that, right? I want to demonstrate that to my kids as well. And they are demonstrating that Like our kids are affected by their decisions.

Yeah. Our communities. Our kids' mental health. Like I think they're really starting to look into it and see that this is important. But that being said, I mean, even since the change that they made, whatever it was, November 15th, if you look at the date on the most recent version, things have changed a ton in a month. A ton. And the policy hasn't kept up with it. And there are still some things in there.

But I think that's because it's in flux. Yeah. Yeah, it's not in effect yet. But, I mean, people are making decisions based on the way that the policy is currently worded. And there's some, I think there's some things that we should talk about, too, that maybe aren't out in the public space yet or on their website, but that, you know, certain team officials and people that are on the hockey associations are privy to.

And, again, I think it. You're talking vaccination status, that type of thing? Just how they're talking about monitoring, you know, keeping track of the kids. And once things are in effect, yeah, they're going down a road where, you know, private medical information is going to be collected, documented in a hard copy, you know, sent in to the Saskatchaki Association twice a week. just so many potential liability issues and potential for, you know, I guess they call them a COVID rep, but volunteers within each hockey team that are being tasked with collecting private medical information. Yeah, collecting it in a way that identifies each person's status is the concern that I have, that I've raised and that as of right now is still in effect.

But, yeah, it's... Well, let's talk about that. Assuming your biggest concern is the spread of COVID, how could you get away from that that isn't doing exactly what they're doing? What's a solution? Because we can offer up different ideas around this. Yeah, exactly. So a memo went out to the hockey associations

and was distributed to team managers and, you know, team volunteers that are, you know, they signed up to help out. their team, they're volunteering, you know, now they're part of the mandate and they're being tasked with collecting names and putting check marks on boxes that clearly identify whether you're vaccinated or whether you're providing, you know, a test of your negative, you know, COVID status. So a rapid test, a PCR test. So like on January 11th, you're, you're, you're, friendly neighborhood COVID rep on your team, somebody that is just, you know, somebody in the community, somebody that's volunteering their time is going to be collecting.

Somebody who got volunteered, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's carry on. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're going to be asking for your medical records. And instead of like what happens at a restaurant now where they look at it and they either they let you in or they turn you away, this person's going to look at it. And then they're going to mark on a piece of paper.

They're going to document it, and then that document's going to get sent in. Yeah. So they're putting it on a piece of paper. They're keeping it in a binder in a backpack in their back pocket on a piece of paper, and then they've got to send it into SHA. So again, they're digitally making a copy of it, transferring it via email, and then they're told they need to keep their records just in case they get spot-checked or audited. So that's the initial one right on January 11.

where they're going to segregate between who's vaccinated and who isn't. And then every two weeks, they're going to go to the unvaccinated kids or the ones that maybe don't want to tell you what your status is and that are going to be turning in results from, you know, antigen tests or PCR tests. So again, they're going to be creating records of just the kids that are submitting tests, not all the kids, but just the kids that are submitting tests, a paper record of who's been submitting tests that are negative, right, and then sending that in to SHA.

So again, clearly identifying, you know, the kids that aren't on that sheet, but are on your team roster. If somebody was to get a hold of that, you know, now I know if you're vaccinated or not. And it might seem like, you know, a little thing or, you know, just a little thing that you need to do to keep everybody safe. But, I mean, we're living in small communities where, you know, I know lots of people that, you know, they don't want to play this game. They don't want to show their ID to go into their restaurant.

Well, just go back to what James, when you said it right at the start, when James was talking about being in different countries and it starts with a little divide. This seems like a pretty little divide that keeps growing. And we have a choice, you know, to keep growing the divide or just say no more. And let's just cut this off. It may seem inconsequential right now. but I think when you listen to talk, Henry, you can go, yeah, there's enough there that just it doesn't add up. It doesn't make sense. We want to stop COVID. By this time, I mean,

we're seeing it play out firsthand in the sport, our number one sport. It's happening to all the major professional athletes. If it's happening to professional athletes, it's going to happen to our kids, which means if you're vaccinated, it doesn't mean you can't spread it. Doesn't mean you can't get it. So if you want to treat COVID as the plague, start testing everybody. If you don't want to do that, Then you just got to pull it because at the end of the day, we've got to treat everybody the same because I go back to what you were saying, James. Like to me, like when you said it, I didn't want to hop in. I wanted to let you keep going. And that was a while back now.

When you said it starts with a little division, we're in a little division right now. And it's growing every single day, right? We've all felt it in communities, families, all the building blocks of society. It's infected. And we've got to find a way to start to, you know, focus on the solutions, on the ways we come back together, not the ways. we fall further and further apart. Yeah, we're going to pull together. So, I mean, if they go ahead with this,

it's going to work. They're going to collect a bunch of information, but these reps are being tasked with a huge amount of administration. They're handling sensitive information. If you look at the act that is in place that governs this stuff, like your COVID rep is not a trustee. Like a trustee is somebody that is, you know, trusted with or is legislated to be, you know,

able to collect your information. And when you look at the legislation, that's not what these guys are. And so there is a way to do it. I mean, if they had a list of every player and just a single checkbox beside that player's name, and if they made a list of the entire team and the COVID rep, whether they're looking at a QR code on somebody's cell phone, somebody's vaccination card paper copy, or they're looking at a, you know, a rapid antigen test from a third party that's negative,

they can put a checkmark beside that kid's name that doesn't identify their status and just says you are meeting the requirements of the Sask hockey policy check and everybody gets a check in terms of that document that they're asked to retain and make a copy of and send in it doesn't identify anybody's status. If you could lose that, you could mean nothing. It means nothing. Everybody tests. Everybody can see it.

They show up to watch the game. The guys that are on the ice, obviously you're following the policy. You're assuming the Coverage Rapp's doing his job. Sask hockey can spot check it. Shit, they can even send it in this sheet twice a week, and it doesn't out anybody, and it's not a sensitive document anymore.

And if they want to spot check it beyond that, if they want to get into everybody's business and somebody from the board or from whoever in Sask hockey needs to check this, they can go beyond that. But I don't know. I see it as a way to, again, if they're going to segregate people in terms of, you know, testing some and not others, at least this is a way to create a record that's not sensitive. It's not going to give the COVID rep.

Like, these guys didn't sign up for this at the start of the year. If I was a COVID rep and I see a form that has me putting a checkmark beside whether you're vaccinated or submitting a negative test, in my mind, that day that I'm filling out that form, everybody submitted a negative test or everybody's vaccinated. I would just put a checkmark beside everyone and send it in. And if they want to come audit it, they can get, you know, into people's business and,

and call me out for, but I wouldn't take on that liability if I was a COVID rep. Yeah, I don't think people understand what they're taking on. No. I really don't, I don't think they understand the potential, like,

harm they could do their own family by doing something they think is right. Yeah. Like, I don't think it's been explained to them the liability part of things. I didn't mean to cut you off, No, I totally agree with you. I don't think people signed up for this.

Okay, I just got to back up here. Sorry, but you brought up a great point. And this is an old cliche, or maybe people heard it a million times. But like freedom, it's not free, right? And since like the Boer War, World War I, World War II, Korea, the African campaigns the Canadians have been on

to Croatia, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Rwanda like the list is like endless. There's blood that's been spilled and many people killed, nations destroyed in it. So like what we're doing now

is we're giving up easily without a fight. We're given up freedom within days of being asked. We're giving up freedoms that our forefathers fought to have. And for us to get those back, again, there's a cost to that freedom. And what people don't understand, because there hasn't been a civil war in Canada since, you know, 1800s when we're fighting the rebellions and fighting the French. And, like, really, it's been a long time since there's been blood spilled on our,

on our land. They, people don't understand what it's going to take to get that back. Well, some people would tell you, some people would argue with the point that you just made and say, well, what you need to get it back is to get vaccinated.

No, but yeah, that's the problem. That's the, that's the price you get to get it. What they don't understand is what happens the next time they want more information from you or more freedoms.

That's why. And then you're now, like when right now, the way our forefathers have had it set up, we're on top. of the mountain. We won King of the Mountain. We're standing on top of the mountain. Are people trying to take our freedoms away from us in the past. We're standing on the slippery slope. That rule is now reversed. The people that want to take our freedoms from us

are on top of the mountain. We are now positioned ourselves on that slippery slope. And any kid that is from our generation that was allowed to play King of the King of the Mountain. That's a bad spot. You know, you can't do that anymore, unfortunately. But my kids do but yeah um you know like that's that's where you learn those those like that's how life is you want to be on the stable high ground you don't want to be fighting from the slippery slide slope yeah because that's where we are now and that was because of my complacency i'll take 100% responsibility for that i'm trying to correct it but boy it's hard to correct it now well you know i'm talking to you listen i i i beat up on myself for a long time because i dragged my

feet on this for a long time. I got a show. I had the Don cherries, the Rawn McLean's. I mean, everybody's got their thoughts. I'm Ron these days. Well, I've got a story about Ron. I actually... But that's what I was trying to do, right? Like, I just wanted to, I wanted to have this nice little fun show that, you know, just brought on some cool people and it was fun and it kept everybody not thinking about the day-to-day. And what you don't realize, or what I didn't realize at the time is by not talking about the shit going on, you allow the shit to continue. Actually, I learned that from Theo Flurry. Of all the things Theo Flurry, of all the things Theo Flurry,

Flurries taught me, he led me to a conversation with him and Paul Brandt, talking about child trafficking, which I didn't believe was going on in Elbert. I just had a hard time, and if there's anyone listening, go look up Theo Flurrie's podcast, Paul Brent, and Paul Brandt's a soft-spoken, you got Theo, you know, and Theo's just, Theo's Theo. And Paul Brandt brings up a point that has resonated with me in that the reason it's allowed to persist is because nobody's willing to talk about it. And if you're not willing to talk about something, then it gets to hide in the shadows.

And I didn't fully understand what that meant until you look at where we are. And like what we're doing right now is seen as like a little bit out there, controversial. And it's like, all it is is three grown men talking about, you know, what they want for their kids. And a couple of the policies just don't make sense. We just need to change them. But we haven't been, you know, you look at media for the last 20 years. I mean, honestly, how much of this has been really going on where people actually, you know, like politics has been kind of like, oh, that's a, let's talk about hockey.

Right? Let's talk about things that actually matter. That's what our life has been. Yep. And now it's like, the role's reversed now. And now we're on the slippery slope. Well, thanks for doing this. Well, we need to talk about it because if we don't talk about it, pretty soon the day goes by, nobody realizes. And once it's gone, we already know this, then you really are fighting up uphill battle.

Hopefully we've done it soon enough where hopefully, you know, a couple of years at Saskatchew here this. And they go, gee, that's not a bad idea. Maybe we should just have it. Where are they abiding by the protocol, right? that puts it back in the COVID reps hands. It takes a sensitivity out of the document. Now, is it for the people on the one side who want it all done away with?

Is it a win? Well, no, but it's a compromise compared to where we're heading. And I just think, you know, we've got to start talking about the serious stuff going on or pretty soon them freedoms you're talking about James are going to be gone and we're going to be looking up at the hill

going, how do we get back up there? Well, our kids have to spill that blood, right? Like, I'm still part of the military and I'm not engaged like I should be. And I know that and that's for different reasons on a different day. But there's a reason why I stay fit. Like my gunner in Afghanistan was 55 years old. And he joined the Army because his two kids were in the military in 2001.

And he quit his job as a Millwright, went through basic training. What? And yep. And he wanted to fight with his kids. against people that were trying to destroy our way of life. So right now, we have people within our country thinking they're doing the right thing and inadvertently not knowing they're really destroying our way of life. Like they really do believe and and I feel sorry for them because they really do believe

they're doing the right thing. And I've seen it. I've been in, you know, orders groups in the military. I was part of a group of guys where I would be in like the main area giving advice to our commander to how best to deploy us. So you see how like majors and colonels they spin like they figure out the best way of taking on a battle, right? So it's all about jockeying. Like they all these guys want to outdo each other and come up with the best plan to advance her career or what have you right so that's happening in civilian life you know

everybody wants to do the right thing and be smarter and so and so and and be applauded and be applied and that's and at the end of the day um what a military wants to do is has a simple effective plan that's easy to understand and and and execute it without flaw. So as you make a plan so complicated, you can see that they made our plan so complicated by the confusion that's like every day something's changing or something's misread

and everybody thinks this or that. You have no idea what's going on. So that's a plan for failure, right? So going back to General Curry and Vami Ridge, nobody could take Vami Ridge. The British tried it, the French. tried it. Everybody failed miserably. The creation of our nation was at Vimy Ridge. Well, General Curry went to the English and said, you let me do this with the Canadians with my plan and we'll take the

ridge. General Curry invented modern day warfare with fire movement and rolling barrage by listening to his commanders, his men underneath him and said, we can do this. This is how we think it should work. And he he followed him and he believed in what they were doing. The plan was so simple. They would start artillery instead of hitting the enemy with artillery, having a break and then doing the rush. He'd have the artillery constantly firing, rolling the artillery at a certain,

so many feet per minute up the hillside. The men would follow in behind the artillery, and they took the rich. It was the simplest plan, but the reason why it worked is because they didn't overcomplicate it. The Germans and the British were famous for overcomplicating plans that always failed. Like the Newfound Regiment, they were part of the English Commonwealth in World War I. They fought at Boland-Hamil on July 1st.

And the English generals wanted to see the advance of the Newfoundland Regiment moving towards the Germans. so they put a shiny triangle pieces of steel on the back of their backpacks. So as they walked to advance ahead, the British officers could watch them with their binoculars. Well, when the men went to ground, the fire at the enemy, that was a shiny triangle for the enemy to shoot. So they actually were putting targets on their soldiers, and they got slaughtered.

They got decimated that day. And for whatever reason, a political party in our country is decided to make July, first our national day when it should be after we won the battle in Vimy Ridge on April 8th or April 10th or whatever the day is excuse me for not knowing that should be our nation's day not the day we were slaughtered or a province of ours was slaughtered they came in a confed April 9th to April 12th yeah so that should be the day right so it's stupidity that's been I remember you know that's that you know boys

I gotta be honest, that right there, I love learning new things. I didn't, when you put it like that, I never really put much thought into why July 1st is the day we have. And that right there, it solidifies. April would be, makes a lot of sense. Well, if we ever do get a new nation on this side of the world, it should be April, April 9th or 10th. Maybe we should just get together and celebrate that day anyways. Yeah, well, I do. I do every day.

Yeah. But getting back to it, like if you, if you, if you, if you, talk to a Newfoundlander that his grandfather or his father passed away or was killed in that battle they're first of all just irate with the whole ignorance of the of the english military at the time like just you know it was it was just run by people without proper military battle experience they were put into power by their family position and should never have been on the battlefield and the second thing that they're very upset about is July 1st being our nation's like day like without regard to what they sacrifice on that day so yeah it's it's

there's lots of things we could go down that road but at the end of day like we we fought for these rights and we're willingly like people that never when you haven't when you haven't personally fought for him you have a little different story you know when I sit here across from you James you have a little different view, and I've got to be careful here because I say things, I go, and then I've got a military guy sitting there looking at me, and I go, he's probably thinks I'm a dummy,

but I think about it, and I go, you know, you're one of few who understand that. I would say a lot of us have no clue. Like, honestly, no clue. Tell them about your visit from the Army psychiatrist. Oh, that was fucking hilarious. Excuse me the language. No, but I mean, it puts into perspective of the things that, like,

So where you're coming from. So after Afghanistan, 06, you have to fill out, you know, you had to fill out information sheep and let them know, like, your experiences, right? So I was part of a reserve unit fighting with the Patricius in Afghanistan. I'm actually part of the Regina Rifles, one of the best regiments that, like, just, I'd love to come here and just bring a couple of Regina Rifle guys. We might just have to do that. It's such a cool history.

Like the rifles, just the backdated, the last guy killed in World War I was part of the South, like the Saskatchewan Regiment that turned into Regina Rifles. World War II were supposed to disband. All the men, the 900 men were sent to different regiments. We ended up going to England, being the best regiment in England, first on the beach, fought off a German Panzer Division,

basically saved E-Day. And it was a bunch of like Aboriginal. or First Nations and farmers that were recruited after everybody left. And it's just such a cool history. And I'm so proud of it. I've also part of the patricians. You just made it official. Sometime in 2022, maybe close to Remembrance Day.

I'm making a road trip. How's that? Yeah. Well, do it before June 6th because that's Regimental birthday. And you can come down to that. I tell you what. Let's plan for that. I think that's something to look forward to.

A little road trip for the podcast. Yeah. Yeah, you got to experience it. It's crazy. But getting back to the whole thing, like I've, you know, for 30 some years, have been on remembrance days and parades and you're in uniform. And people are ignorant to, you know, to the military. And you know what?

I'm glad. I'm honestly glad that people, they don't understand, you know, the dangers and the troubles around the world. because at the end of day, I want my kids to grow up, you know, happy and healthy, right? So I don't want them knowing all the ugliness in the world. I volunteer for that. I go deal with that. That's my job.

And I'm glad that our people are ignorant and they don't realize, like, how good they got it, really, at the end of the day. Because they never had to experience strife and war. And they don't understand the angry hand of a gun, right? so like I'm I if you're if you come up to me and you're upset about me being in the military hey as long as you don't hit me or hit any of my friends I'm okay with it right you can say whatever you want I don't care it doesn't bother me at all to the very like you're not insulting me and and I'm I'm really okay with people not knowing what we're for because they shouldn't know you know what I mean at the end of day I disagree well no like they shouldn't understand

the ugliness of war. They should understand the right like the value of a you know of a secure nation and what it takes being policemen or a firefighter or people of service right a nurse or doctor whoever yeah like

teachers like I said education is the key to world peace and I really believe in that but yeah I'm okay with people that don't understand why I fight I'm okay with that But when I go to fight, don't tie a hand behind my back, because I swing with both fists, right?

Wait, Henry brought up a psychiatrist. Did I miss the story? Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. He maybe skipped over it on purpose, but he needs to hear. No, no, I've been blowing up twice and beat up several times, so I forget. So anyways, yeah, so as I'm leaving, I had to fill out this sheet, right? So it says, have you ever been detained by a foreign army?

Check. been in a gunfight, check. You ever, like, had to kill somebody, check, you know, so on and so forth. People, you're, our own guys being killed. So I had to check, like, I checked all these things. And I'm like, holy Christ, I hope somebody else checked all these. It's like being in school, checking at your buddies. There's no wrong answers.

What do you check off? Like, am I doing this right? Can I put your name on this? And anyway, so fast forward to being, like, it's like October or whatever. and I'm actually going back overseas to do private security stuff for the American Army. And so I'm leaving right away. But, oh, sorry. No, this was like a year later.

This was a year later, like the psychologist finally made their way across the country. And I don't know if they hire a local psychologist in the city or whatever. And they mail out a package to the psychologists. and they phone me and they want to have an interview. So I'm like, okay, like I'm working at the campground. I'll meet you at the Quartet. It's lunchtime. I'll see you there, right?

So my wife at the time, it's lunchtime. I usually have a beer and, you know, some eat. And there's usually people there. Like the people I work with come down, we have a beer and eat a burger or whatever it is. But now it's just me. And my ex comes in. she's going to sit with us and like we're going to have a beer she brings a beer for the guest which is a psychologist and I'm like no not for the psychologist right like so like she didn't

understand it was a psychologist coming to interview me from this thing I filled out a year prior or two years prior so now I'm sitting there and the psychologist opens up this package right and she's looking at it and she's looking at me and she's looking at it she's like um You know, we'll go through a bit of this, but I really feel that I'm the wrong person to be talking to you about this because I've never, out of all the packages I've opened up and talked to, I've never seen all the check marks checked off. And I'm like, okay, is this like a Homer Simpson episode where I get the insane stamp and I don't get out until it wears off? Like, what's going on here? Like, do I get a Michael Jackson jacket? Like, what's happening next, right?

So, yeah, it was kind of funny and comical in a way because there's obviously questions about, you know, this and that. I didn't want to, you know, you don't want to answer truthfully because then you're in trouble, right? So I feel like, and I'm sure Henry can agree here, I feel like there's probably a six-hour podcast waiting someday where we dig into some of that because right there you just rattled off a bunch of things where I'm like, probably not allowed to ask about half of them, but I really want to because your brain goes to... I'd love to talk to him, but this isn't this, like, what we're here to do is something totally

doing. 100%. I think the reason, well, the reason I didn't want to do this without you, and the reason that I, you know, kind of brought that up is you bring a perspective to the conversation that nobody else can.

Like very, very few people can. Like the people that are sitting on the SAS hockey board, the people that are making the decisions that are impacting your kids, they've never seen what a war-and-turned country does to kids, what not having options to or access to education and access to sport, and just being nervous every day does to kids. And you have. And, you know, like people listening to this will say, you know, those are two completely. different things, but I don't think they are. We're not that far off. Like, I see what is happening to kids. I see the stress that my kids are going under.

They just want to fit in. I mean, they just want to be normal. They want to play. They want to go out there. And, you know, before, you know, 20-21 kind of came along and, you know, the segregation that, you know, came with it, everybody was missing out on it

and they were all in the same boat in it it was terrible but now you know there's there's a split and but I don't know the reason I bring it up and like you said you could you should do another one

and I the experiences that you've gone through Jamie bring a perspective that you know people need to hear it and people need to realize that we're going down you know taking our kids to a place where you know when they

have to make decisions and parents have to make decisions for five-year-olds, 11-year-olds, 17-year-olds. They're all kids and, yeah, it's troubling. And I see a lot of parallels in the fact that, you know, when you're under stress and you're living a life where, you know, you're not thinking about having fun and the sacrifices that you've made so that the kids can have those kinds of things and you see it, you know, they're bringing it home, you know, your own six-year-old.

And, and, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I don't know, I, I, I, I keep thinking back to the, to the, to the parent that's, that's, that's sitting back and, and, and I don't like what I'm hearing, but, uh, I'm not going to say anything. I, you know, I, I implore you guys to to pick up the phone to get engaged you know get talk to the people that that are making the decisions become one of the people that are making the decisions don't let them mess with your kids and you know if you think you're not impacted don't wait like just don't wait because it'll it could be too late and and then you know you're sitting like I did on remember and stay thinking how the hell did I get here and you're angry

angry and you're you're digging yourself out of a hole that you got yourself into just because you you know bad things happen when good people don't say anything and uh well iner you nailed it like um i remember you know talking with you about a certain thing and i i decided i i felt oh he's got this like i don't i don't need to be part of it i realize that today on the way up here i'm like what a fool like that was the worst decision And, you know, as parents, like, that's on our heart, right? Like, it's not on our mind, but it's on our heart because it's our kids that are affected. And then we had a conversation with another parent in a totally different sport.

And here's the thing, like, like, this is a big can of worms. Like, this is Pandora's box. Like, SaaS hockey is now doing something that nobody else is doing, right? So, SaaS hockey implements this. January 10th, let's say there is no changes in their, in their, in their policy. So now it's like a, once again, layers of onion being put on by basketball, by volleyball, by curling. Oh, I've seen it happen. Law and bowling. Yeah. Right. So now Saskockey has come up with a system that because it's a political like this is being done over here, all these other organizations are trying to play

catching. Why aren't we doing it too? But again, they try and outdo, like people try to outdo each other and think they're doing the best for our kids. Add another layer of onion to that and make it worse for like the hockey or the basketball players or the volleyball players or whatever sport it is. And so it's a, it's a, like they've thrown the, they've thrown the rock. Let's hope it hits the shore, not the water. Because those ripples, they'll go to the far side of the lake, right?

It's long-reaching. And I just really hope and pray that the long-term effects they haven't thought about, the little things that's going to come from this policy, I don't really think they thought through the whole. I think that in our hearts they were doing the right thing. Yeah. But it's going to end up harming more than it's going to do good, unfortunately. And like I said, cup half full, I, in my heart believe that they got a pulse and they're looking at what's going on.

And going back to it, like Henry, like we've, if there's only one thing we can do in our lives, because our kids are our future, is to protect our kids. And I thank you for, like, making me realize my shortfalls. and, you know, I'm hoping that there's parents out there that are going to listen to this or policymakers that are going to listen to this and think everything through, not just their bubble, but like that bubble that connects to another bubble and what it really affects in the long term? And what are the pros and cons like? What are they really achieving out of it?

And here's the cool thing. It works both ways. So they can be the ripple that ripples out the end of this, too, right? Right? Oh, totally. They change what you guys have started. It could be the little nudge to push it the opposite way. And it can ripple the same way, right?

Just ask hockey decides, no, we're not going to do that. And then somebody sees them do it and go, well, how come they don't get to do it? And then they do it. And then they do it. And all of a sudden it becomes a positive motion of change the opposite way. Well, we had that leadership from Mo, right? like he was at one side of the fence and one day somebody contacted him he thought about it and he stuck his neck out and said hey

you know what let's stop the divide let's stop calling out the non-vaxed and let's and you know that's that's leadership and I'm just hoping that this stuff you know it starts like a little snowball on the top of the hill and once it's rolling downhill it's like well we'd like to stop it but it's a mile away from us going 100 miles an hour. Right?

That's right. Yep. There's no stop. It wants to go down. Well, in our situation, it wasn't away from us. It ran us right over. Yeah. You know, like Hank said, like of all days, they laid it out on remembrance day.

But, you know, like that, you know, it ran us right over. And any parent that's out there that's sit, on the side of the fence on any sport that's not affected yet. My advice is get prepared and be ready for what's coming down the chain. I looked it up because I wanted to make sure I got it right. I always am cautious of tying this to some of the worst times in the last 100 years because I understand the parallel draws. But I mean, this poem, and this is only part of it, by a Lutheran pastor from Germany back in World War II,

I think just nails it on the head, right? Because you're sitting there going, yeah, well, I'm going to use myself to blame, right? I got young kids. This ain't going to affect them, right? They won't ever. And it's, first, they came for the socialist, and I didn't speak out because it wasn't socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because it wasn't a trade union. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

And then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out. And you go, you know, I get it. It isn't identical. But, geez, that's what we're just talking. talking about it's like I want to sit back it's not really affecting me whatever but honestly enough you know all of us we work in the oil field what are we taught we're taught to look for red flags because you know identify the hazards oh there's a hazard we should address that and I feel like there's enough hazards starting to come up from really really respectable people you know if you

both walked in and uh were high on something and you know had smashed into my truck outside and come in here and started talking about whatever. It'd be a little different, but like, I'm having really, really, in my opinion, respectable people coming in and saying, like, we better be cautious here. Like, these are some serious things. And to me, that's a red flag.

And it's been going on now for like, you know, some would argue a year and a half. I'm going to argue for three months now. Like, going back to Dr. Andrew Liebenberg, who's now not in the country anymore, he was a guy who was about our age, came in, young kids, and just said, I'm a doctor, and things are not right.

And he was, like, shaking in that seat you're sitting in because he's like, what I'm saying could get me deported from the country, right? These guys are sticking their necks out of a big way. South African. South African. Yeah. I work there. I have a lot of respect for there.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you guys making the tour all this way. Is there anything that we've left off the plate that you want to make sure it gets out there? Yeah, well, like the reason we're here and one of the things I want to share with people, like if you are, you know, one of those parents, volunteers, people that are sitting back thinking that this isn't going to affect me and maybe the light bulbs are starting to come on. I think being positive and taking your message forward and,

trying to speak to people in a in a positive way is way more effective than being angry lashing out and and i know i've gotten a lot of help from a lot of people um my wife for sure is one of those people that believe you you know you're going to catch more flies with honey than you are with vinegar she's proofread a lot of my emails and i'm i'm here to tell you like the saskok you guys have got a lot of emails from me as they have from other people and and uh she's done a good job of softening the message and it's still, I mean, I could do better, but being positive opens doors. And one of the reasons that I, well, I know the reason you reached out to me and Jamie is because

of, you know, somebody that did that. And I'm going to name dropper here, Latash and McMullen, like, you know, she's a big fan of yours. She's listened to your, your podcast. I think the one that she initially kind of sent to me was the one that you did with Peter McCullough here recently. And, you know, she had the, you know, the courage and the heart to reach out to you and compliment you. And thank you for the work that you were doing. And, you know, through those kind of text messages and conversations, you know, asked her, you know,

who would you like to see? And she texted me right away because we've been sharing a lot. of information. She's like, I don't want to waste this. Like who, who should I, who should I tell him? And I'm like, you know, I'd really like him to get, you know, Kelly McClintock on there and to talk about this Sask hockey thing. And then I got to thinking more and I'm like, you know what, he needs to hear from Jamie. He needs to hear from, you know, guys like him who have, have seen the bad things that happen when we go down the road that we're going down and where people are segregated and people are, you know, left with no options. And, uh, and it just kind of turned into, you know,

reaching out to me and and you know the more positive that you can be um and and it's happened for me too like uh i saw our rink board stand up to the town um you know the town was trying to influence our rink board and trying to segregate people and the rink board stood up and i reached out to them and said you know what thanks for doing that you guys did a great job of keeping our rink open and i learned some things that i wouldn't have otherwise and uh it you know it empowered me to get back on the rink board and to reengage with those guys. And it's just careful when you do reach out. Like I'm wanting a lot of people to get off their hands

and don't be like me and don't make the mistake I did. Do it before you get kind of steamrolled. But when you do it, try and do it in a way that you're being positive and reinforce positive behaviors and identify the things that you need changed. And I think it's huge. And I thank Latasha for doing what. she did and and for you for doing the work that you do. I can't believe that Jamie and I are sitting here talking to, you know, a guy that's,

like, I'm looking at the list of people that, that you've interviewed, both from, you know, a hockey perspective and, you know, a professional perspective, you know, people like Nadine Ness and Julia Panessie and Roger Hodkins and Peter McCullough. And, you know, like, I could keep going. Like, you know, it's impressive. I'm still just a country bumpkin. No worries. Man, it's, I really.

appreciate it. I want to say thanks. Well, I got to give, uh, you know, we'll, we'll blow Latash's tires up for a few minutes because she sent me like a beautiful text that was like, you should read it, man. Yeah, it was, it was really well written. And my, my, normally I don't respond with this. I'm sure a lot of listeners, you know, uh, I probably have it hiding somewhere. And I, uh, it's good. I, I, I, I just responded back, geez, when somebody puts that much thought into a text, I wonder if she's got some ideas for who she'd like to see, you know, and then what even impressed me more. She said, let me think on it.

And most people don't do that. So my hat's on tour. That's leadership right there. Because I'm surprised. I'm surprised she didn't, you know, lots of people would say Scott Mom or I don't know. Who do you want to, you know, just give me a big name and they throw it out. And she came up with the YouTube, yeah, who's? And I'm like, she obviously doesn't know me.

Well, I'm looking forward to this. How about you, James, before we. Well, you know what? From what Hank just said, they're like, on. see i i don't want to say another word because like you nailed it like uh thanks buddy that's a great like that basically summarizes everything i feel if i can though because i won't shut up and you will yeah yeah and i will talk but i'm not i'm what i want to do is i want to emphasize like at if you're there there's so many people out there like us like we're we're we're not we're

not the guys, you know, and unfortunately, you know, I'm certainly not the guy. You're not the guy either. There's like gas station attendants, there's business owners, there's people that are doctors and nurses, like, they're out there and they're doing the same thing we're doing, except we're not doing it collectively. Like, we're not organized. We're hitting better. Yeah, well, and we're not trying to like have a revolution here and like to do this peacefully and respectfully like canadian should is what hank's saying yeah like but don't get hit by that snowball or don't get steamrolled i feel terrible like it like it hit me in the head today you know listen to this other father and his problems with you know their sport it's like we're we're smart

smarterness. Like we've got the leadership and the people out there that can that can help navigate through this fog. Yeah. Like we're, we're in a, we're in a unknown, uncharted area. We're smart, innovative people. We can do this. We just got to be respectful and we just got to work together and push through it. On our way up here, I got a call from a buddy who he had to pull his daughters from Notre Dame College because he wasn't cool with, mandate that they had and it was black and white either you're your vaxter you're not going to be here and and uh yeah so i mean he's navigating the same thing and uh you know these are good people that um leaving our country yeah potentially potentially or second generation of people leaving this

province well what did i say before you guys come on i know of people that are erdogan artigone yeah and that's our biggest that's our biggest resource i don't care how much oil or gold or diamonds Yeah. Saskatchewan's biggest resources are people. Yeah. Because we're pioneering people. We're innovative. And we have the best work ethic probably in the country.

And that's why we're so valued wherever we go. Yeah. And thank God Hank came back and, you know, other people like him. Maybe he came back for a reason. But now we're pushing them out again. You know? Like it's taken from 6. until now to get people to come back.

How long is it going to be... Well, we just got to push. You know, that's why you're here. Yeah. I just, you know, cup half full. We just... Yeah, half full. We got pushed and we just seen how...

Well, we got to push back, all right? But we've got to be smart and respectful, like Hank is saying. That's nailed it. Yeah. Well, let's do the Crude Master Final Vive. We'll eat... It's Final Four because we brought up Latasha early. But shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald.

They've been supporters of the podcast since the very beginning. beginning and we'll do four here we'll try and keep them light for you the first one's a little tough though i'm going to channel a little conversation with natasha i'd love to do this question is who would you sit down with uh if you could um and i'm going to try and keep it specific to saskatchewan since we're all hailing originally from there is there anyone in saskatchewan you'd want to sit with uh to pick their brain uh probably the help minister i i'd because uh Um, our help minister, I believe he's from, um, a region of the world that has gone through all kinds of horrific things. And I'm sure he's got family members still there.

And he knows deep down in his heart, um, what I'm talking about. And are you talking, uh, Hashab? Or are you talking, um, I'm, I'm, Sakeeb Shahab. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to sit down and talk with him. Yeah, I've listened to a few of your podcasts. I kind of knew this question was coming up.

Yeah, if it's specific to somebody in Saskatchewan, this is non-COVID related, non-hockey related. You know, we met with them before we came here, had lunch with him. He's an icon of the Lloyd Minster community, and a lot of people will know the name, you know, Gary Erickson with the Ministry of Energy and Resources. You should get him in here. He'd be a good interview.

I don't know if you, have you ever met the guy? I have not. There's a name. I'll write it down. He's a gem. He's a gem. He's a long time resident of Lloyd. He's been the director of the Saskatchewan Ministry of Energy and Resources.

He'd be a good, he's been there forever. You surprise me. Not many people surprised. That was surprising. Oh, really? Well, I'm just thinking of guys that, you know, given, you know, where you're located, you know, who you're talking to, he'd be a good one. No, that's cool. Another Saskatchewan guy.

And again, I'm a big Joe Rogan fan. I see the quote that you got on your wall here. He hasn't been able to get him on, and I think he would like to. Colter Wall. He's been trying to get Colter Wall. Yeah. Colter Wall's badass level went up when he turned Joe Rogan down. Like, I mean, nobody in their right mind does that unless you, you know, you know, he's badass level.

unless you're operating in a different level. It would be my, my, well, one thing that, that Saskatchewan people have is, like, we got morals and ethics,

right? And at the end of day, because we're pioneers, when we make up our mind, we make up our mind. And I've got a few X, Xs that, when they make up their mind,

it's made up, right? So, no, no, I get it. It's, and I appreciate that.

Like, that's a great, that's a great trait to have. coming from this province. He's got a badass card, right? Oh, absolutely. He's one of like, I don't know, I'm sure there's a whole bunch of Richie and Famous

that haven't been on Joe Rogan, but Colter Wall, I mean, like, is he a big name? Sure. But not like, he's not, you know, I don't know, he's not. No, he's not an Elon Musk or, uh, you know. He's not, he's not on that level. Which has ties to Saskatchewan. Elon does, yeah.

Yeah. Did you know he shoveled green in Swift Current? No. Yeah. When he, uh, he escaped the border. wars in Africa and landed in Montreal, I believe, took a train to Estaban because he had family there. Well, there's another Saskatchewan guy. We'll see if I can try and get Elon to talk about his old Saskatchewan ties.

He ended up in Swift Current, shoveling green, because he had relatives there too, him and his brother, and they were sealing internet. I get Elon Musk, and then you can call me a big deal. Is that a deal? All right. All right. With us being, what are we at? We're in the 20s now.

We're closing in on Christmas. With us closing in on the new year, what's your predictions for 2022? Doesn't have to be anything too deep. Just what do you think of 2020? Well, Regina Beach is going to have the best New Year's fire at midnight, like always. And that's going to be a big blast. We have fireworks, and the whole town comes down. We burn Christmas trees and brush, and everybody shakes hands and wishes each other

the best for the new year. And that's all I'm looking forward to you right now. Like I'll take it one day at a time. Like I celebrate my birthday, one day at a time. And yeah, just keep pushing forward. And the light will be at the end of the tunnel. I think we're going to get through this. 22.

I'm going to plug the local fire department here a little bit, Lumson Volunteer Fire Department. We've got some fundraising duties. We're trying to raise money for a new rapid response unit. And we just met with our little group here last night at the fire hall. And we're going to be doing, working towards a kickoff in January. We're going to be doing a St. Patrick's Day Cabaret in March. And we're going to do another annual October Fest cabaret in October,

trying to raise money. Can I wear my leader hosen? You definitely can, yeah. You can wear the... I had the best stag ever. If my relationship was like my stag, it'd still be going on. It was awesome.

Anyways, I'm Scottish and I ended up in leaderhosen. Long story. So my prediction for 2020 is Lumsden Fire Department, raising a pile of money for their new rapid response. And I don't know, maybe a Rider Gray Cup. Maybe a... Oh, we're taking it. We're taking it this year, boys.

I've got to be honest. I've got to think about this for a second here. We're hosting this year, hey? I think that's the first time the CFL has been brought up on the podcast. Think about that in 200-some episodes. Like, I'm trying to remember... Look at the hats we're wearing.

I know. Maybe the riders has brought up a couple of times, and listeners will let me know, I'm sure, but I just don't think it's been brought up that often. So, all right. Not only a Ryder Gray Cup, which I mean in Saskatchew, we all appreciate, but your first maybe on the podcast from bringing up the Rough Riders, because that doesn't get, you're in a select company, I'll leave it at that. What's the best senior hockey team you've seen assembled?

The 54s? Give me, yeah. We beat the old dogs all the time. He said, senior hockey, not beer league hockey. Oh, come on. Is there a difference? Yes, there is. I was in attendance in Lloyd when Horse Lake Thunder won the out on top here.

And, yeah, saw Theo Fleury playing. It was. Did they win that year? I thought they did. Did they not? Oh, no, they lost. Wasn't it Thunder Bay that year? man

Alan Cups I'm looking them up I'm looking it up I don't think they won that year actually like I'm like 90 Can I tell you a cool story about being part of like like high level hockey

obviously I quit hockey at a younger age because I was way too small to play with the big boys like Hank but I was actually asked to be the Pats guy to light the ice on fire during

no way Yeah. So I got to go in and, you know, it was a big deal. I had to barge out there with, like, in my uniform and have the torch and light the ice on fire. And it was a pretty proud moment, like being a former Patricia and asked to do that. And, like, everybody, like, the new ownership of the Pats, you know, really bringing in the military history why the, like, the Pats are called the Pats. Like, that's the nickname for the Patricia. after World War I, you know, the soldiers started playing hockey.

So that's how they, that name was brought up out, was their former Patricia's fighting at, you know, Vimy Ridge and, you know, all the big battles at Vimy and, you know, Passiondale and, you know, just horrific situations. But these guys started the Pats. Yeah. So the Pats are named after my old regiment, the Patricias. And so anyways, I got the march out there and light the fire and everybody's like going bananas. And it was, it was pretty, I was pretty honored to be asked to do that.

I must say. And that was, that was a good part of my soldiering experience of it mixed in with hockey. I'm not liking the look on your face. Well, so I was trying to figure out what year Theo played in Lloyd, which all of Lloyd's going to be like, come on, Sean. But I'm sorry, I don't have photographic memory when it comes to this. So in 2012, when Lloyd hosted, the Southeast. Prairie Thunder beat Rose Town. I was either that time, I think it was that time, or in 2005, the Thunder Bay Bombers,

it might have been that time, beat Montmagmini Sentinels, and I can't say it. And now Olive Lloyd, for sure, is laughing at me. And then the only other time before that they hosted was back in 2000, and that's when Powell River beat the Border Kings and the Files. and I think it was the year that, I want to say it was 2005 when Thunder Bay Bombers came rolling through. Yeah, I think it was in 05. So maybe they're the best team that never won. But I mean, how many X NHLers were on that team? There was like, there was at least two or three.

What team lane were they? I thought it was Horse Lake. Yeah, Horse Lake. That's right. They would have lost in the semis then. Yeah, because they came in way too cocky. Yeah. Well, I remember the interview Theo gave to that.

Theo played a season with the Horse Lake Thunder in 2004. So that would have been the year that Thunder Bay. Yeah, they were. They were stacked. They were stacked. They were good. Yeah. And Lloyd and Theo, like, Theo will kind of talk about it now, but like tons of people

talk about Theo's antics while I was in Lloyd. And, yeah, it was pretty, you know, calling Lloyd a bunch of racists and stuff like that. And the tournament was rigged. whatever, right? Yeah. It was an interesting interview, but I mean, people did show up to see that team.

Oh, 100%. No doubt. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It was... What's... I can't remember if we started this on the podcast

or if it was right before we started. But regardless, what's the best barn in Saskatchewan for hockey left standing? Best barn. Best rink. I got a soft spot in my heart for the Nielberg rink.

Like, I mean, as much as I love playing in Bethune and as much more I love playing in Lumsden. I mean, okay, as a monarch, tell me a better feeling when, and I mean, if you've played in a rink where you have your own dressing room and you hang your stuff up in a locker.

I feel like I just had a ref riffing in this hometown and we got a homer. I'm telling you, man. That rink, it has the smell, it has the banners, it's got character. You know what? Nothing.

The kids nowadays, they don't get it, but I mean, you walk into, and I mean, nothing wrong with the Regina facilities. They're good, but you walk into the cooperator center, and I don't know if, like, you could be playing in rink number five or rink number three. You don't know the difference between them. They're cookie cutter. There's no character. It's like, blah.

Well, that is fair. Yeah. I don't know. I got a soft spot for Nielberg. I had my own locker. You hung up your gear. You went home, you know, on a, away game somebody brought it for you there there was just guys looking after you there and it's

it was a fun town to play in for the few years that i did and uh yeah i don't know it was a great old you're making me miss i've been retired from senior hockey for two years now and i i'm i miss planting there's a that is the funnest senior hockey in saskatchewan is the funnest hockey ever played and i've played i've played a lot of spots why you look like you're ready for beer league you can come down be my winger that's right Hey? Yeah, you can go play for the 54s. Okay, we're wrestling after this.

I'm probably going to lose. Bear chested. What kind of wrestling are we doing? Play King of the Hill. King of the Hill after this. Hey, kids still play that, you know, like growing men. Yeah. Yeah.

We did it at the fire hall just last weekend. That's the guys. I got a King of the Hill in front of my house. My kids play on Earth. They're cousins all the time. Oh, deadly. They just can't do it. at school.

Oh, man. Yeah, no, you're welcome to play at the 54s. With the 54s, as long as I have no shirt on. That's what you're saying? No, no, keep a shirt on. Also, there's a new guy price. You've got to bring beer for the first year. You've got to be the beer guy.

You know, you've got to take care of the money and make sure that they're going to do this. It's got to be cold. Yeah, I won't get into the chicken. You remember the chicken running around the rink that year? Yeah, we'll get into that. Hey, if you play with the old dogs, if you come up for the old dogs, we have HFC night once a year. HFC in the rink.

The local Arm River colony comes out, the gals come out, and they fry up high fried chicken. We're part of that. We're part of that same. Absolutely. It's a good tradition. The Hutter 8, local hutter eight colony comes out. It's HFC night.

It's the best. Yeah, great times, actually. Yeah. Best hockey ever. I'm still laughing at James's dig at me. All right, fair enough, hey. I think it's time to wrap this up. Don't be scared.

Just come play with us. Well, boys, I've enjoyed this. I hope this was worth the drive you guys did today because you're putting in a few hours today. But I appreciate you guys making the drive and stopping up to do this. Thanks for having us. Lloyd feels like home to me.

I love pulling in. You know, it's awesome. Hey. Like I said, my kids are born here. I love it here. You talk last. Like I'm always, No, you talk last.

No, you should be the guy talking last. No, not today. Oh, man. Anyways, I think, obviously you and Hank, like you guys have no idea what you're doing and you're doing the great thing for like basically our future of our country. And I hate keep saying that. Like, I don't want to be a broken record, but our kids are our most valuable asset and our most valuable resource.

And thanks for like asking me. to come Hank and thanks for doing this like you guys are sticking your neck out and um it's pretty easy to stick my neck out when i get people like yourself to come on the show to be completely honest right it's to me it's who's gonna tune tune this in and go those two guys are wackos right nadine ness is a is a wacko YouTuber right extremist she's an extremist yeah yeah and you and you go like well i mean her views go against the current narrative, sure. But at the end of the day, she just seems like a pretty lovely person from what I get. I got to summarize this then.

Sure. Because Curry, the creator of modern battle, went against the narrative of the British Commonwealth and figured out a way to end World War I by developing a new battle system that the British would not accept. and he took all liability upon himself and he did it only with Canadian forces. So there would be no British blood spilled if the battle went sideways. So I'm glad you brought that up because it goes right back into history. Sometimes you've got to swim upstream, right?

Yeah. And not go with the narrative. And thank God, Kerry did that. And he saved countless lives from that day on. because he used intelligence and he listened to people and he made a battle plan that was adaptive to this situation which we hope some of our leaders are going to do for us in the future. So I'm glad you brought that up.

Well, that's one hell of a way to end it. How's that? Thanks for coming, fellas. Thanks, Sean. Hey, thanks for tuning in today, folks. Make sure to like and subscribe. Believe me, it helps. I want you find folks to check out my new website,

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