Shaun Newman Podcast - #229 - Lawyer Philip Millar

Episode Date: December 29, 2021

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Now, let's get on to that T-Barr 1, Tale of the Tate. Entrepreneur, former prosecutor, former infantry officer, current CEO of the trial-focused law firm. I'm talking about Philip Millar. So buckle up. Here we go. This is Philip Miller and welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Philip Millar.

Thank you, sir, for hopping on. It's my pleasure to join you. Now, before we get rolling, or I mean, I guess as we roll, could you start by giving a little bit of your background so the audience can get a feel for who they're listening to? Unfortunately, these days I'm known as a lawyer, but I'm kind of a lawyer by accident in that I lost my sight in the military. I grew up in Markham, Ontario, started a bunch of businesses when I was 16.

I was going to join the Army early, broke my leg in training, then went to university, became a bit of a hippie for a while. My dad lost his business. We were well off, and then when he lost his business, I realized bad things happened to good people, became a hippie, and then was dared to join the military again, joined it again, almost got kicked out for having attitude, but ended up top in some of the toughest courses that we have in Canada.

And then thought I was going to be a general, served in a variety of operational tours, was in charge of Canada's sniper platoon, did psychological operations, information warfare, NATO stuff, lost my eyesight. And then they repurposed me to law. So they paid me a nice chunk of money to go law school.

and I'd say that the Canadian government, sometimes I hear the Canadian government takes care of its vets very, very well, I believe. And so they paid me to go law school. He became a Crown attorney, realized I was just putting guilty people in jail who had shitty lawyers. You know, they wouldn't give me the good cases or, you know, I just found the system not rewarding.

Went to a big firm. Now I owe my own firm and do some advocacy for veterans and do a wide range of interesting cases. Are you, I got to, are you not proud to be a lawyer? Well, I like, I like going to law school. Like when you have these titles, it sounds good, right? Like your parents want you to be a doctor or a lawyer, right? Like, so I remember when I told my dad, I was going to law school,

even though I was a very successful infantry officer, he got a little emotional because my family didn't have degrees, right? And I love, I see law school like Ranger training for the brain or SEALs training for the brain when it's done well, right? Like it really pushes your brain to the limits. The unfortunate part is that law school, it's a scarcity mentality. And so people go in there who have high-powered brains, but often they're not really good social people. They don't really care about other people. And so for me, going from working in special forces units where it's much like a hockey team, people are like a high-end hockey team.

people aren't necessarily polite, but you know they got your back, right? Like in those good environments. And then you go into law where everybody is polite, but they don't give a shit. Am I allowed to swear on your podcast? Absolutely. We just got to apologize to mom. Sorry, Mom. Carry on.

So I call things as I see them. And most lawyers don't give a fuck about anybody else other than their ego and their billable hours. And so what I didn't like about law schools, I was surrounded by these high performance people who do a lot of good. But they were really self-motivated. which is understandable. So I tried to build in law school. I won a couple of awards for building some groups

that help make people support each other and do all this stuff. But yeah, I would say honestly, like, I'm leaders go into business. Leaders do things that involve a lot of risk. Law attracts high performing brains that are risk adverse, and I don't resonate with that, right?

It's just, you know, I find like, yeah. So I don't mind. I have a couple of good lawyer friends, but I'd say I don't like the system. I think it's rigged against the client. The billable hour system is a ripoff. You don't know what the lawyer is doing. So, yeah, I have some issues with it. But what I love about being a lawyer is that you can make huge change if you care,

if you're willing to expose yourself and get out there. So that's what I'm trying to encourage in my friend. Doesn't that cross not only lawyers but to a lot of different places? If you're willing to expose yourself a bit, you can really do some. good. Yeah, but you have to have that courage to step out from the crowd because the crowd will initially laugh or mock at you. Like when I started doing some things, they're like, oh, you can't do that. And now that we're very successful, but you know, for the first five years of doing that, they would snicker, laugh, who do you think you are? But yeah, it's very true for anybody,

any of your listeners, doing the right thing and having the courage to stick your neck out can be great, but I'm not saying in corporations, you won't get fired for it. Like, so you have to be careful a it's a it's an interesting thought coming from a lawyer i you know most people are pretty proud to be where they're sitting at and i mean i'm not saying you're not just that in the first two minutes of being on here you you kind of slam being a lawyer which is interesting because most people take their entire life to get that title and are very proud of it and and and carry on but you sir um have an interesting take right from the get-go so this should be a fine an hour. It's even the same thing with veterans, I would say, if you want to even throw more

controversy on it. Sure. Like, I'm sick of veterans being lionized as the only heroes, right? Like, I go to a hockey game and they're paraded out like a circus animal where people stand up for a minute for 10 seconds, sit down. Like, the vets I know hate those things, right? They don't want to, they're like quiet professionalism, but, you know, I didn't join the army out of necessarily service, right? Like, my grandfather, who's He served in World War II. He served the country. He went four years over to Europe. Four years in hell. I joined because I was a young guy who wanted to be able to blow stuff up legally, put some medals on my chest so I could get ladies. Like really, you know, like it wasn't service.

It was absolutely fun. I wanted to go everywhere. And I just see that there's a lot of other heroes in Canada who are out there working midnight shifts in the ER, teachers, people working with disabled. There's lots of heroes in society, so I don't want it only just to be veterans because even in the military, there's a spectrum of guys who did amazing stuff, you know, and guys who, you know, folded paper and ran over a goat and now have a $200,000 patient. Well, the government and media together love to put a spotlight and tell us what a hero is,

but we know what a hero is. If hero is the guy who, you know, when you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're goes out, comes over at two in the morning and gets back, run it. Like that, that's a, that's a, that's the blue collared hero, right? Like, that's, that's the guy that makes the world spin. We're going to have an interesting time here if it plays out. In the start of the new year, you know, my father was a truck driver, is a truck driver. Yeah. And, uh, truck drivers are talking about walking off the job if they're mandated to have the vaccine to go across borders. And if the bunch of that walk off, uh, and they push that through, we might have a rude awakening on the old

supply chain and what a real hero looks like if they decide that they don't want to be forced into that into that process. I love to talk about that topic too. Sure. Well, listen, here, we can talk about any topic you want to talk about, Philip. Don't worry about straight off the beaten path. That's what we do here. So what's your thoughts on truck drivers possibly walking off? I mean, it's been in Canada alone, the number has been as high as 22, 30,000, like anywhere in that range. That's a lot of truck drivers. I don't think we fully understand that. Obviously, truck drivers are essential, right?

And they get paid hopefully good bucks for what they do, just like what the rest of us who do what we do. I've had probably during COVID, 20 people come in and pay for a consult on vaccines, right? And I could have easily asked him to give me 10 grand and said I'd fight them, this under a constitutional thing. But I know that you're going to lose because it's easy to say they're breaching our charter rights, but our charter rights are breached all the time. They're breached when you're told to put out a seatbelt. They're breached when you're given a speed limit. They're breached when you have to get a polio vaccine.

They're breached all the time because there's a clause that says, for the good of society, your rights can be breached. Right. So notwithstanding clause. And so if everybody's charter rights were absolutely prime, the most important thing, we wouldn't be able to do things for the benefit of society. But the point I have is, and when I talk to people about vaccines, and I served, and I wrote a paper on this, right? My grandfather, for the good of society, put on a Canadian uniform, went overseas, was injured, and his friends were killed by machine guns and beat it.

Right? His charter rights were breached when he was conscripted, and every listener needs to know that. His charter rights were breached. He was taken from his house, put in a uniform and told to run into a machine gun for the good of society. And that was a European battle. Nobody was on the shores of Canada. Right. So we did it for Canada's good. So if our leaders say that for the good of society, we need to get 95% of our population vaccinated because that reduces the amount of host people where the vaccine can mutate into something more dangerous, that's called service. And nobody is looking at it like that.

And so I tell people, I'm like, I call this the stupid tax. Because I just had a kid come in the other days and last year of actuarial science, he graduates is going to make quarter million dollars a year. He's quitting school because of a vaccine, right? Now, if you just put an actuarial table together in terms of cost benefits,

one in a million chance of something going bad, or more from a vaccine, right? The antibiotics he takes for strep throat are more dangerous. And so I say the same thing if a trucker would come to me. I'm like, okay, look, you want to quit your job over a vaccine? That's fine. But like when you go to the doctor and they give you a prescription, you don't know what's in it. You just take it because the doctor said, okay, doctors are in the business of protecting

people. But what I think might happen with truckers is there's kind of the law of unintended consequences. If that happens, they're going to speed up self-driving vehicles. Right? So there's a short-term impact. We will walk off the job. But if all of a sudden humans can't be relied upon to do whatever and there's a giant shortage, it's going to make it much more economically attractive to move to those

Tesla vehicles that are self-driving battery things. That's going to happen. Like within 10 years, 80% of truckers are going to be out of the job. anyhow. So we can't fight technology. So what I would say is make money for your family, save it, invest it, because crisis has come along. In the past when a pandemic happened, it would wipe out a giant chunk of society because there was no vaccines. When there's no vaccines, the virus mutates, it starts off like COVID where it kills the week. But because there's no vaccinations, like if you look at the Spanish flu, it took five years, right? It mutated

multiple times and ended up killing tons of healthy people because we weren't able to control it. And that's why we say, let's get 95% vaccinated. So the virus will stay in a non-lethal state to healthy young people like us and our children. So I would say to somebody who came to me, who's a trucker, I understand your concerns are legitimate. I think government has messaged vaccines horribly. I can understand why it's upsetting. But I'd say in terms of service, it's minuscule compared to the service and sacrifice others have done.

And I wouldn't give up my career because somebody on a talk radio show is jiving them up to be angry about vaccines and then destroying their lives where most of the people on the talk radio shows have vaccines. Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Trump just got the booster. But 95% of his fans think vaccines are evil. But he just got the booster.

Powerful people get vaccines. Right? And that's how I say to your listeners, look at what powerful people are doing. Not what they're saying to get you to click, but every rich dude I know, powerful person I know has the vaccine and wants to boost. And they don't do stupid things generally.

That would be my first take on. That's an interesting new take for this show. I'm curious then. go get the vaccine, just do what you're told, essentially, follow what powerful people are doing. And yet, the vaccine here in Saskatchewan, they just came out with, oh, by the way, we're going to allow you to get your booster three months after because, oh, you can still get COVID. You can still pass COVID. You can still do a bunch of things.

And it went from take one or two shots to get away from COVID and get to that, you say 95%. I find that interesting because right at the start it was 70%. Then I had a doctor on. I asked, well, what's the number? Is it 80? And he goes, well, it's 80, 85. Now it's 95. I don't know what the number is.

That's because nobody knows, Philip, what the number is. It's this hypothetical. We know that restricting the amount of host bodies that are not vaccinated dramatically increases the chance of immunitation. So a virus exists not to kill its host. A virus exists to live forever. Yes. Right?

So viruses don't generally kill healthy people, but they transmit. But when they're allowed to mutate, they often will mutate into a lethal form. And that's what happened in other pandemics. They mutate into a very lethal form because there's so many, there might be 1,000 mutations in six months of a virus. And 950 of them are benign. But if one or two of them turn into a lethal form, then it will wipe out 10% of your population. I'm not a doctor, but I've talked a lot about this. and I like to, I call it the alternate middle.

And where I want to bring people, because I have a lot of vet friends, and I have a lot of liberal friends, right? And I find the woke people are retarded, and the other end are retarded. And what's happening is you have these tribes of people who are reinforcing their circle of uneducated certainty. Yes, the echo chamber.

Yeah, let's come into the middle and let's have a discussion and figure out what's best. for Joe your listener who's got to worry that if he loses his job, you know, his kids might not be able to go to college, right? And but you, you know, that's what gives me tingles in terms of trying to help out the average Canadian makes good decisions because it's easy to make them angry. You know, whatever side you are, I can make them angry all day long. Well, yeah, well, we can all make everyone very angry all day long. I'm sure we've both done that in the first 20 minutes of this podcast. We've probably pissed

off enough people by now. I've never heard a lawyer throw it retarded on the show before. But you don't learn unless you experience discomfort. It's like your muscles don't grow unless you're going to flex them. We're in the gym right now. We're working on. We're not competing. We're throwing ideas against each other and seeing what comes.

And the thing that you're talking about is when you talk to the same side over and over and over and over and over again, you reinforce it's the echo chamber. You're getting the confirmation bias, right? You're actually convincing yourself by talking to yourself, essentially. And what we're doing here is, well, you're sitting in Ontario, I believe, today, correct? Yes. And I've sit here in Saskatchew, I just, I think it's two different worlds. That's the way I look at this.

You know, you talk about 95%. And the funny thing is, is when you come back to these pockets of, mutations. I've heard this argument before. And I sit and I listen to it and I go, okay, yeah, that's interesting. And then I got to, I'm curious what your thoughts are then. You know, I've listened to a lot of different people talk about by mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic. You're actually spurring on mutations. And I've had doctors on here who've talked about it, where they say by doing that, you're actually propagating mutations getting to where they figure out, well, I mean, they're talking about it with Omnacron. I don't know if it's there or not,

because I've also had doctors on already that say Omnacron is not as bad as the media is making it out to be. Well, it's not. But by mass vacillacinating in a pandemic with a vaccine that allows transmission and everything else, you're actually propagating something that could be worse. It's possible. I have an office in Calgary and so like I know the West and you know, I hate Toronto. I don't mean to, I don't mean to pigeonhole you as an East. Turner. And don't get me wrong. I'm very aware, and I have sued pharma.

I'm aware of pharma trying to advance things. You just have to be an economic reality of pharma is that vaccines are the least profitable product line, right? And this is what people also miss. It's like one shot, maybe three shots, right? But if there's no vaccine, they can prescribe monthly medications that, you know, they don't actually want it. They were mandated to develop it by the government.

They're going to make money off of it. They're going to rip us off. But they prefer monthly everybody on some medication regime. Their most profitable lion cereals are monthly medication. The vaccine is kind of a one and done. And I agree that they may be pushing the booster. Do they prefer having a booster shot every three months? Well, that's what I mean.

We shouldn't listen to the CEO of Moderna say we need boosters. We need to learn, you know, because I believe, I agree. we need to get, we don't need to boost or everybody. Like I'm on the same side as a lot of people there. But I just believe if we get vaccinated, take the masks off, let's go back to normal. Like we got, you know, if the average age of people dying is 80, they get diabetes, they have poor metabolic health and they're dying. I don't want to destroy society or all of our kids' educations.

Like we make these decisions all day long and I'm so disappointed with our government. And I think I'll resonate with your, I deliberately don't mind starting off your list. maybe pissing them off. But I'll resonate with them on, I think, some other things and that I really hate how our government is treating it because it's like we're scared, scared, and we're just trying to do everything about no risk. Like when we decide that if we really cared about deaths, right, we'd make the TransCanada Highway speed limit 40 kilometers and out, right? Nobody would die. Right? Photo radar every 200 meters, nobody would die in the highway. If we made a 200 kilometers an hour, maybe more people would die.

So we make a decision down the middle. They say, okay, at 100 or 120 kilometers an hour, that's an acceptable risk. Some people are going to die, but all of society doesn't want to drive 40 kilometers an hour. Omicron is a cold. Like it hasn't killed, it's killed one person in Canada. So we shouldn't be shutting down our society again for something that's a cold. We're all vaccinated. That's why it's not, let's go back to your point, because we're all over the place a bit.

But for the doctors that come on and say that, I understand. that, but you have to ask yourself, if 97% of the other doctors don't agree with that, is that doctor who's saying that, trying to get a million clicks? Because if you just look at it rationally, there was not a vaccine for one of the past global pandemics, right? Which killed huge swaths of healthy people. This pandemic has not killed huge swaths of healthy people. It's killed a lot of older people. So it seems like it's actually working. And when you talk to 95% of the doctors that I know that are in there, numbers are just numbers, but the vaccine is probably one of the greatest medical achievements in the last 50 years. And it's sad that nobody will even think about it.

But what our science has been able to do with computers that are more powerful than anything before is stop a pandemic that used to wipe out 20 to 30% of the population. And we should be celebrating it, but instead, a group of people who are like my old friends are looking like this is the hill they're going to die on and not take a vaccine. And this is the hill they're going to lose their job on. They're not going to speak to their family on. They're going to think they're taking away their guns and their ranch. And, you know, I got the vaccine. I felt nothing. You know, like, so I think listeners have to be careful on how easy it is to make the vaccine a bigger issue to get their eyeballs as opposed to saying, hey, what's good for my family 10 years down the

And you don't see a bigger issue with the vaccine and how they're pushing it out? I just, I know that in every society, if the government and our governments are the best, even though I'm not liking Trudeau's government at the moment, but our Western governments are the best in terms of having a science-based approach to public health. Like we have the cleanest drinking water, sanitation, we don't have like our society exists in a fairly healthy way. I'm not saying that doctors can be wrong, policy can be wrong, or pharmaceuticals can try and make money. But generally, we're doing okay compared to the rest of the world, right? Like, you can go to Ukraine where you get, it seems like there's more rights there, but they're not. People are dying,

and they don't report it. So, you know, I just, I know that they're pushing the vaccine. I think they messaged it very poorly. You know, I think Fauci messaged it poorly with the mask, not mass, but what I would say to a lot of people also is most of the people we know have a very hard time organizing their closet. Like if they just go and look in their closet, most people's closets are a fucking disaster, right? Try to run a government, right? So it's easy for me to sit back, you know, with a beer on my couch watching a hockey game and say the politicians suck, but try to run a trillion dollar organization or, you know, and make policies that are, it's not an easy thing to do. So it's easy to say they're all idiots. You know,

You know, and they, most of them are idiots at this point. Yeah. Unfortunately, politicians doesn't attract like real, I think real leaders, like the ones who are in business because it's too costly to get into it. And most good leaders have skeletons in their closet. So it just attracts these kind of timid people who are very, most of them are owners, right? They're risk adverse. They're self-interested, you know, and that Ottawa crew right now is ridiculous.

I actually was trying to reach out to a tool. I would probably reach out for a different word than ridiculous. I would go something more extreme. We're in uncharted waters. And I would say, I would even probably go a little further, Philip, and saying that what concerns me most,

it's concerned me for probably a decade now is what you're exactly talking about. And that is, the best of us won't get involved because we're worried about what might come out if we do. And yet, here we sit. And,

you know, this has already been an interesting to have somebody with a different view on this than I do. Because I sit here and I have had military lawyers, doctors come on and say this is the hell of the die on. And I find it very interesting that you're on the opposite side. And I just look at that and I go, huh, right there is the crux of what's going on right now, right? Very educated, decorated. You got a background that's, I mean, geez, that anyone would love, uh, uh, maybe not. not to go through, but to certainly have the credentials you have.

And to look at it just differently, right? Just go get it and we're through this. And yet that's the message that's been being said now for close to two years. And now in Saskatchewan, just this past Friday, they come out and they say, oh, by the way, booster every three months. Not every three months. That's not the way they say it. They say you're eligible for a booster starting three months.

But that's just pointing to the fact that what's going on hasn't gone exactly according the plan. But it doesn't help in fairness to you. It doesn't help that our politicians, our leaders are risk adverse in that they won't just say, listen, at some point, we just got to get on with life. Now, some people are going to say we should have done that two years ago. Others are going to say we should do it now. For others, in three years, if this continues on, eventually they're going to say it. But at some point, we're all going to be like, you know what, listen, we've got to realize we're going to live with some.

things we got to move on. Like at some point we got to move on. And I think what the small percentage of doctors and just regular folk actually, I won't even throw doctors of course in there, but the small percentage that haven't gotten it are they're just more risk adverse then because all they want to do, they just want to move on. Just let me move on with life. We'll carry on. Right. And society will not let them do that. They're, I mean, geez, it was just last week, no, this week, I think, that the court case was one about New Brunswick and, and, uh, girls grocery stores not allowing unvaccinated in. They were going to let them do curbside pickup.

And I think most of us at this point can go, that's a bit ridiculous. I mean, like, at the end of the day, are we going to move on from this or aren't we going to move on from me? I think where you are and I love it is in this middle that I'm trying to get people to. Right. So I think vaccinations make sense. I think mask mandates when you're vaccinated are ridiculous. I think if somebody, you know, I personally feel that if somebody doesn't want to get vaccinated,

you know, in one sense, I just think it's thinning the hurt. Like if you don't want to get vaccinated and go kill off your parents, you know, like, you know, then that's just the consequence. But here's the thing, Philip, you say kill off their parents. But the thing is, is like, vaccinated, which you are, you can still carry the disease, which means if your parents are vaccinated, what the hell did they got to worry about? Whoever walks in the house. This is just basic numbers that's left.

Like there's a way to do a risk assessment. I did it in the military. I do it in a lot of things. You know, like if you, I just look at it. Like, if you get COVID, right, you have between a one in a hundred or a one in 200 chance of dying. Right. And if you get the flu and you're old, you have a greater chance of dying, right? If you get vaccinated, it's a one in a million chance of a negative reaction, right?

if you get COVID and it's a serious. So like a serious element of COVID, let's say is one out of 30, one out of 40, one out of 50 for a healthy person. If you get a serious form of COVID, you're going to be injected with a with a bundle of drugs that you don't know that will do far more damage to you. So I'm just like, okay. So but if I get, if I know that if I get vaccinated, and I've traveled around the world, like I've got diamond miles during COVID, right?

And I've never tested positive from COVID. I've done 25 tests at airports. I was vaccinated. I also am healthy. I got vitamin D and all that. But to me, it's just like, if you get vaccinated, you reduce the virus's efficacy by 90%.

So yes, some people are going to get it, and they're not even going to have symptoms. And when they don't have symptoms, it means the viral load is dramatically reduced in terms of contagion. So I might test positive for it as a vaccine, and that's a talking point. But its contagion factor is like,

next to nothing. I could still, if I went up and licked my mother, you know what I mean, and I had it. She might get it if she was unvaccinated. But if she was vaccinated and I'm vaccinated, I have a low contagion factor and her immune system can defeat it. So yes, vaccinated people get it, but it's a red herring meant to throw people off. It's a risk in terms of groups. So if your mom and you don't get vaccinated and you get a load from a vaccinated person and it develops in your system because your immune system is compromised and it becomes strong

and you go see your mom and she's compromised, she could die. But if my mom is vaccinated and I'm vaccinated, it's much less likely. That's all I'm saying on that point. Like it's just, I like to assess risk. Yeah, and I just, I listen to, I go, man, we've made this complicated.

And I don't mean us too. I just mean in general. I go, you're a grown-ass man. I'm a grown-ass man. My parents are grown-ass people that have dealt with life's shit, year after year after year. If they want to go get it, Philip, or I want to go get it, or you want to go get it, so be it.

Go get it. Here we are two years in. Do you think we should be making our population worried about killing mom and dad? Because mom and dad are grown people. And they've lived life and probably done a lot of great things. And they've made their choice. Just as everyone over 18 has made their choice. We can certainly get into kids.

but anyone over 18 in our great country has made their choice. Now, can we argue some of them listen to bad information? Sure, right? Like, we can go down in the bad information room. Regardless, I mean, what are we going to do? We're going to start acting like we can parent every single individual over 18 and every country in the world and tell them exactly what's right for their body. I mean, although rare, side effects do happen.

Although rare, people have died from it. So there is risk there. And people assess that risk however they want. Here's a number on the death. So we've had hundreds of millions of people vaccinated. Hundreds of millions, right? Now, if I was to put a million people out in a field and vaccinate them all on one day, how many people of that million people would have died tomorrow, just of any other cause, right?

So you have to be careful with the people who want to report it, right? Like, so it's correlation versus causation. But it's fair. It's fair, but you have to be careful and that you don't exclude. You know, it's funny. The reason why I'm hanging on this is I literally had yesterday a military vet at 33 years sit across from his daughter got, no, son, daughter, doesn't matter. Got vaccinated for H1N1 back in the day, right, when H1N1 came through and had an extremely adverse survived, extremely adverse reaction to it. blood bleeding no uh oh shoot what's the word i'm looking for they uh couldn't clot so they

no coagulation yeah and the doctors it was a day after the shot and they wouldn't call that an adverse reaction so listen i will agree with you you'd put a million people in the field you vaccinate them okay like it'd be an interesting test i think it'd be very interesting but fair it's not like i look around and all sudden 10 people have dropped dead in my eyesight from the vaccination. I do know several now that have had extreme adverse reactions, in my opinion. It doesn't matter. That's my opinion.

Everybody's going to make their own. And that's what I want them to do. But here was a 33-year vet of the military sitting here talking about their kid having an extreme adverse reaction to the H1N1 shot. And they laughed him out of the building and didn't record it. And you go, if that happened 10 years ago, that's certainly happening right now. And so is it as bad as what some of the conspiracy theories think? Well, obviously not because honestly, I look around.

Geez, you're not falling apart right across from me, right? So, I mean, it isn't as bad as what some want to make it out. But it isn't as not bad as others want to make it out either. It's somewhere in the middle. So the doctors that I think, doctors take an oath to preserve life, right? So yeah, you can get a doctor who wants some face time on an immediate. media who's never been listened to their whole life. And so they come out anti-vax and now they're on six,

six different shows. But when you look at 97, I don't even know what the number is, but it's of the doctors who have pledged to take care of people are vaccinated themselves. Yes. Right? At some point in the brains of our listeners and of ourselves, we have to say if 97% of the doctors who have medical degrees who are pledged to take care

of people are vaccinated and their families are vaccinated, should we listen to the 2% who come on and create controversy. And I'm not saying that they're wrong, but look at the motivations. A doctor vaccinates himself and his family to preserve his life. Somebody comes on and is anti-vax to increase their pocketbook. Which doctor are you listening? Well, I tell you what, I know there's a, the, for some reason, Dr. Oz comes to mind. And I don't know. I haven't, I haven't, I honest to God, we, I think we both can laugh. about it. And I apologize if there's listeners who love Dr. Oz. I've heard, well, I've never, here's the thing. Here I sit. And I go, I haven't listened to

a thing, doctor, because I look at Dr. Oz. And I go, what the hell do I want to listen to Dr. Oz for? The thing is, is I've had people sit in the studio who are nobody's, just doctors, who haven't talked about anything vaccine, have just talked about the coercion and the loss of moral ground in what a doctor is supposed to be, informed consent. that was early on, sit across from me and go, something is wrong. And they are no longer in the country. They had everything to lose, Philip, absolutely everything. And they sat across me and I'm watching them as they're like visibly shaking.

And that's stuck with me. You know, we go, just follow what the 97% are doing. Well, this is the argument for Nazi Germany. That's what happened. And I'm not. No, no, Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany, Hitler won with, 32% of the vote in the Wymyre Republic.

32% of the vote. He appealed. What did Trudeau win with? He appealed to disgruntled white males who thought that they had been done a disservice. And the intellectuals and the scientists were ignored and they actually were complacent. And 33% vote and then taking power resulted in the worst massacres ever. But when you're talking about rights for your parents, so I agree. Like I like, I've often been a libertarian, right?

But we have a lot. Now, maybe you think we shouldn't have a motorcycle helmet. Right? I can understand it. I had a motorcycle. I don't really want to ride on a helmet, right? But if I, or a seatbelt law. But if I get into it.

But here, we'll use the seatbelt law, right? Everybody goes, once upon a time, people are pissed off both seatbelts. I agree. Like, I get it. It's for people's safety, whatever else. But then I also had sit in here, a lady who almost lost her son to masking. And that blew me away. Five-year-old.

Masking? to masking. Hear this. A five-year-old, so out here in the rural communities of Saskatchewan, Alberta, we have a rural busing system where kids are on a bus for a long time, right? It's very, I would say it's unique to where we live, right?

I understand. The poor kid was on the bus for an hour and 15 minutes. Have to wear a mask? Has to wear a mask. That is allowed here. So children shouldn't have to wear a mask. Well, so let me finish the thought then.

So we go, the seatbell lot. Everybody's pissed about it. Do we have seatbelts on bus? No, it's ridiculous. So there is exceptions. But the reason why for buses is they get in less accidents because they're big and they drive.

No, the reason for buses is because exactly why they shouldn't be wearing masks on it, because they're unsupervised. You've got a group of young kids. So a five-year-old falls asleep on a bus with a mask on. And when he gets home, he's unresponsive. You know, like, can we go through?

through the science of why that is? Well, yeah, he's oxygen deprived. I'm sure there's a bunch of life. Anyways, they get him back to vibe. Like, he comes back. He's fine. He's a healthy kid. Everything, all the tests, everything is fine. But here is logical human beings. We can go, me and you can sit here and go, kids shouldn't be wearing masks on bus. That makes zero sense, especially unsupervised, especially as young as five. But I also say that masks don't cause suffocation if it's a proper mass. Like, if he fell asleep on his face, you know, like I used to do runs in gas masks, right? Like in the military, it was the worst thing.

Would you trust, but here's a thing, Philip. Would you entrust a gas mask to a five-year-old? Would you? No, but it's got an airtight seal, right? But you understand, like, we're entrusting things to kids that it doesn't matter if we, with me and you think that this can't happen. It has happened.

It's happened here like half an hour from where I live. And this is where I want to make your audience hate me less, if they don't. I don't think anybody. This has been, let me be very clear. I find this fascinating. Because this is what the world needs. More of this right here.

So don't let me, like, the audience, everything, don't worry about them. Oh, I'm not really worried about this. So sure. Finish your thought. So this middle, like, this is what I mean is like my buddies who are veterans who are steel workers, like, I, they're my. my blood brothers. Like, you know, I want their families to be, you know, but we have this, I think they've been pulled away, but this is what's missing. Like Omicron is ridiculous. Like,

and when you go to doctors, I criticize doctors publicly now because they won't stand up to the government. Doctors like being on TV. So you have the doctors that love being on CBC and CNN, and then you have the doctors that like being on Fox. These guys are all media hoars, right? What I want our doctors to stand up and say, look, we make risk decisions all the time. Omicron variant presents no risk to the healthy population. There is no reason to shut down. Where is a doctor in the Canadian Medical Association, the Ontario, the Saskatchewan,

they're not doing it because they're terrified of our society because woke culture has made standing up and saying something that goes against panic, they get hammered. But why we're doing that is because they get associated with the far right, you know what I mean? And so they won't say it. And so we don't have a space in the middle

for somebody to come up and say, look, I believe everybody should get vaccinated, but I believe we're over the hump. We shouldn't have people dying of suicide, opioid overdoses, denying children, you know, engagement. We shouldn't be wearing masks if we're vaccinated. Let's grow up and move the fuck on. Like there's nobody. And I tried to reach out to a tool because he was in the military. My buddy knows him and he's just, I don't know, he seems a bit scared.

But I'm like, the conservative party could message this beautifully. And when the election in a landslide, if he was surrounded by some advisors, who would inform him to do something courageous at the moment. But you go back to what you earlier said. You got to go against. I mean, maybe it's not 97% of the population, but it's going to feel like 97% of the population is going to hate you in the first month

for even remotely mentioning it. I think the majority of the population are in the middle. I agree with you. But the most vocal, vocal part of our population is for tougher restrictions, for Omicron is the worst thing in the world. Like, this is lovely because more and more people are speaking openly about it, right?

I'll give you an example of how it works. And this is why, you know, I don't like, when I say I don't like wars, because they don't take a lot. So we had a case in Ontario and Costco. Did you read that on my website? No, I didn't. Yeah.

So Costco parking lot, there's a vet. The guy is a veteran. He served in Somalia. He's got handicapped. He's handicapped. And so he's in the handicapped parking space. It's busy.

And there's a car blocking him. Right. And so obviously this car is waiting for a spot close to the door. Right. And he's sitting there politely with his wife. The guy's 57 years old. And five minutes go by. Starts honking his horn saying,

can you move? Like this car is blocking him so they can save a 40 second walk. And he's blocked in the handicapped space for five minutes. He gets upset. He gets out of the car. He's like, can you move your car? And the driver is like, this won't look at him. And he's like, move your fucking car, right?

And I'm going to lay this up. Your listeners will like this, right? And so I'll leave out of detail. He goes, go back to your fucking country. Move your car. And eventually two Muslim people come out, older guys with their fists up. There's an altercation. The police do an investigation.

See that the Muslim family was a bit aggressive. I believe that he was a bit aggressive, decide to lay no charge. The next day in the media, and this is why I mean, the media don't represent the people. The son of that Muslim person is a lawyer in London, Ontario. He tweets, hate crimes against Muslims told to go home. This whole campaign starts and my client is arrested. And the newspaper reports white male hate crime against Muslims tells them to go home.

Now, the rub to your listeners is my client is Algonquin First Nations. He's a social worker who's been helping people for 10 years. He's not a racist man. But he was labeled a white person in the media. And the car that was blocking him had Michigan plates. And there were witness statements from the police where he said, you fucking Americans are blocking me in, go fucking home. Excuse me all this front.

But that's what he said. It wasn't a he crime. It was nothing to do with Muslim. It was about American plates, but it wasn't reported. And then nobody would help him. He came to me. I helped vets. and I said, screw it.

I did a press conference and I called out. I called out the lawyer and the response was very positive. So it's okay for the doctors who are thinking about saying it's okay to say something and go against that Twitter mob,

I think, because the population is hungry for it. And I just thought it was a good story that represents we can go against media. Yeah. Listen, you're raising a very valid problem we have in this country in particular. In that all the media, unless it's independent is on one side of pretty much every argument at this point. It's,

I mean, like, it doesn't matter what argument you throw out there, Philip. COVID is obviously the most blatant one in everybody's face, but you pick, you pick any, anything. Mainstream media, corporate media is in line with each other. There's very little this. Like, what we're doing right now is unusual to our society. And it shouldn't. It should be more. It should be more accepted across the board. The reason more doctors aren't speaking out has nothing to do, in my opinion, with the media, has everything to do with the medical colleges. They don't want them speaking up.

They've literally, I mean, yeah, right? So, like, me and you can sit here and go, come on, man, speak up already. But here I am, you know, I take a risk every single day. Like, I'm fully employed. And, you know, can one day my employer walk in and be like, we don't. like what you're saying yeah and then you know i got a choice to make just don't say something too crazy well if you do get fired for for discourse i'll i'll represent you for free and see their asses well that's that's fair i appreciate that right but i mean it is a risk you take in today's world

by expressing your views because everybody has a definition of what their extreme is right for me and you it might be saying that uh earth is flat i don't know let's take something that that's That's pretty extreme. But it feels pretty extreme. That's right. For me and you, it feels extreme. And I just lost a couple listeners because they're flat earthers. What are you going to do?

At the end of the day, you know, like the, the, the, everybody has their level of extreme. You know, for a bunch of people right now walking outside without two masks on or whatever it is is extreme. And they're worried about that. And they're worried about having people in their house for Christmas. For other people, they're like, they've been over this for two years. And they just want to get on with life. And we just keep going through this, you know, this motion. And a huge problem of that is mainstream media, right?

I had a politician. They love the double maskers pitted against the anti-vaxxers, right? They love that because it's good media, right? Like, they're built on a foundation of viewership. What brings viewers in? Fear? Well, I mean, it was Don Henley who had the song, Dirty Laundry, right? I mean, all you got to do is listen to that song.

you go, well, actually, yeah, it still fits, right? Like what sells? Well, it ain't like hopes and dreams. Honestly, we all love it, like, but we want the dirt. Give me the dirt. There's a good quote. I think I used to, I worked for Colin Powell for a while. And when we were talking about messaging, he said, a lie gets halfway around the globe before the truth puts its pants on. Yeah. Right. In the digital world. So, you know, having a headline that that seems crazy gets shared and liked and then, you know, how does a, how does a listener ever validate that it's happened? You know, they just see that it's got 10,000 likes. You know, it, I, I, I really, I really care about trying to get my brothers and sisters, you know, back onto the, onto the, onto the discussion point,

rather than on that Facebook cycle, like, because it's kill, it's literally killing them and making them hate the best country in the world. Like, tell me what country in the world is better than can right now. Well, honestly, yeah. Like if you were, I love the Santas. Yeah. We'd like it to be Florida. But on the global stage, nowhere's better than Canada. The problem we have right now is we're being run by a bunch of imbeciles.

Like, honestly, they just can't, you can't even find their pants, let alone put them on. Because really, we've always been run by imbeciles. That's what people are missing. Like, we just didn't see it because it, like, it wasn't covered the same way. But government is just hard to run. it. So I don't think it's unique to us. But I think your point is true. Countries can fall out a favor and die. And if we keep being risk adverse and apologize for everything, you know, our country is going to lose its vigor because it was built on courageous men and women who took

risks. It was literally built on where I'm from. It was literally built on people who traveled halfway across the world for a better, you know, a better life and then lived through some of the most horrendous conditions because you've been to Saskatchew. Let me tell you. Winter isn't the best place to be, you know, this time of year in Saskatchewan on the open plane and minus whatever. The wind howling. It ain't the greatest place. And they pulled it off. And then we get to live here on what they built, right?

Let me share just as an aside going, because I love this element of Canada. In political organizations, often the environment creates the political focus. So in the U.S., it was very easy to pioneer the U.S. a lot of their rivers go east-west, right? And you could survive a winter as a solo pioneer, right, on a homestead in the U.S., right? In Canada, we had the Canadian Shield, swamps, most of our rivers are north-south, Saskatchewan, you know, prairie plains. So you couldn't survive a winter without working together.

So if you look at northern communities, Scandinavia, Canada, they have more of a socialist background. I know people think it's a bad term, because you could have it. survive without working together. Like one person who had the most, and it's interesting, I think, because we forget that, that working together is what built us. You know, you couldn't survive a prairie winter unless your community worked together. You couldn't just go and start a homestead in northern Saskatchewan and survive a winter by yourself. So I think remembering that as a country is something to be very proud of. It was much harder for us to make this country. And as a result of that, we created things that took care of the group more than the individual. And that's

difference between us in the U.S. Yeah, I would agree. I mean, you're right. Socialist doesn't have a good feel to it in any country, I would say. But when you put it in terms like that, 100% agree. Like the sense of community from where I come from, you didn't survive the winners without it because that was honest. You had to lean on people.

And I would 100% agree. You know, before I let you get out of here, one of the, one of the things, one of the the thing is I wanted to bring up with you to just switch topics was the Kyle Beach story, NHL, you know, huge news. I'm a hockey guy. You know, this, I don't know, this nuclear warhead goes off in the NHL. And it's, you know, he gets his time in the sun and to talk about it and everybody applauds them and, you know, and then it kind of just, you know, as much as they want that, they want to sweep it under the rug. Like, let's get, let's, let's move on. What did you think of the Kyle Beach?

I don't know. Is it saga? Is it story? Whatever you want? I think every hockey player is horrified. That could happen in the NHL. And not only in the NHL, but under the leadership of one of the, specifically at that time, you know, like guys like Quinville and Bowman and like,

I mean, these are some hockey names right there in front of them. My journey. it's a passion of mind to destroy pedophiles. Like when I was a Crown attorney, I was assigned a lot of the child rape cases because even though I might be obnoxious, I'm actually good at communicating with a kid, right? And so to convict a rapist,

you have to have a child or somebody who's damaged, go on the stand and retell the story. Right? And it's traumatizing for the child. It's traumatizing like I'm getting shivers thinking about it because I have to put a kid on the stand and ask them to retell a horror in order to put that scumbag. Yep. Right?

I tell you what, you just went up about 70,000 percent in my audience eyes because pedophilia is something I think we're all coming to realize is more prevalent than anyone ever thought. So carry on. You need to be able to communicate with a kid to do that. And so when I left the Crown Attorney's Office, one of my mandates is to deal with institutional child abuse, right? So the Catholic Church famous for it, moving them around. A lot of schools did it.

And pedophiles seek places where they can have access to children with confidence. So you trust your priest. Right. And in a hockey, if you're a pedophile, going into the hockey rink and being a coach, you trust the coach because you want your kid to play. Right. So the Boy Scouts, same thing. So it's a small percentage of the population, but they kind of move to where they can have access to kids.

And it happens in hockey. And I think where we resonate is. I played hockey in the military and when I was younger and military guys. Tough guys, a lot of male sexual assault goes unreported because of the fear of being labeled a homosexual, right? And so we always hear about female sex assault, right? But some of the studies I've been involved in, one in three, one in four women will be involved in a serious sexual assault in their life. Men, it's one in six, one in seven. That's what they believe. But it goes unreported because it's very hard for us to talk about it because we always have to appear impenetrable

and perfect. And so in the hockey community, you can't tell your buddy that somebody's diddling you because they're going to call you a homo, right? So it's pressed down. And I admire the courage to come forward as Flurry did. You know, that case reminds me of Sandusky, right? What I want our tribe to do is don't protect the organization because you end up doing more damage if you put, sweep things under the rug. If you've got a problem, identify it right away, you know, rip the Band-Aid off and then move forward with integrity. But when when people are more worried about winning the season,

not disrupting this, they do more damage to the organization. The Army did it when it came to Somalia, right? Like, just deal with the issues, allow the scrutiny and move forward. And I deal with that with cops too, like when a cop beat somebody up. And then the police force says they didn't do anything wrong. I'm like, hey, you're going to have a cop every once in a while that does something wrong. Deal with it. the good cops aren't sullied by the actions of one.

But if you try to pretend like you never make a mistake, you don't help. I don't know if that helps answer your question. But, you know, we need to allow men to talk about what happened because controversial, but I think your show and talking to you, I respect your show, almost every pedophile, male pedophile who abuses a boy was abused as a boy. And so you need to sink that. And nobody would choose to be a pedophile. It's the worst thing in the world.

Like, you know, there's nothing that would make you, you know what I mean? It's not like you just choose one day to go down that road with all of the punishments and ostracization is there. But almost everyone was abused as a boy and never talked about it. So there's almost a need to allow people to talk about it so they can get therapy. It's very complex psychologically, but we need to allow men to be able to talk about that to protect the next generation of kids. Yeah, the, I think what's a new thing.

nerving everyone right now is the move to try and normalize pedophilia. That it's it's something in your DNA and that um just that you know these are people that we have to live to learn with uh live learn to learn to live with thank you I don't know why I couldn't spit that up and and I think you know as a man with young children I have a hard time with that like to me that is the you know the on the scale of brutality, doing anything to children is at the absolute highest. It shouldn't be tolerated at all. And in the past, you were, you were removed from society, right? But I think as they get into the science, think about it later, you think somebody,

I don't think anybody would choose to do that. Because it's, you know, women are just so enjoyable, right? And it's like, so, and the consequences of being a pedophile, even though people say it's not serious, you get, you get destroyed in prison, right? When you go to jail, your life is destroyed. Everything is destroyed. And I've seen what's happened where people have been accused of it and were innocent and what it did to their life, right? Because that does happen that sometimes there'll be an accusation and it's, and the person's innocent of it. And their life is absolutely, they often commit suicide. Just the innocent person will commit suicide. So that's a deep. deep conversation for later but I hope I've contributed to your to your show in some way. Oh, absolutely, Philip. This has been, listen, I enjoy talking all walks of life, all different people. And I appreciate, hopefully I appreciate, I try to come off as I appreciate everybody's views because every time I hop on this thing, I'm learning something new. Like I'm really trying to expose myself to different, you know, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

certainly know the thought of the echo chamber or saying the same thing over and over a confirmation bias, all that. And I certainly, I certainly, hopefully, I'm trying to expose myself to different views, different thoughts. I think as a society, all of us need to do that. Social media is, well, we all know it and we willingly allow it to happen where it just feed you the same thing. So if you believe one thing, it's going to feed you because it wants you on the bloody contraption. Just go look, watch the social dilemma. And you'll be like, oh, like, okay, we can see it happen. it in front of us. And we all just willingly let it happen. And hopefully, one of the things I'm trying to do on this thing is trying to bring on different people. So please, if nothing else,

when you hop off of here, I have enjoyed this. I've been thoroughly enjoyed, you know, I'm a morning guy. I love a morning coffee. I love a morning banter. And this has been a back of forth. And I've certainly enjoyed it. Before I let you go, we've got to do the final question brought to you by Crude Master. Shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald. They've been supporters of the podcast since the very beginning. And, you know, for you, sir, I'm curious. If you could sit down with one person right now, and let's go Canada, in Canada, sit and pick their brain like we're doing right now,

who would you take? Would I pick their brain? Yeah, who would you want to sit and try and pull some thoughts out of them? In Canada. Well, if I wanted to hang out with somebody, if it was deceased, you know, it's different to, who would I want to pick their brain? Like I kind of like your listeners wouldn't like it, but I've read some, I thought David Suzuki was pretty cool for a while. Like I think we should have a council of Canada where we have like 10 people who are considered the smartest people who can get together and make.

So it's not politicians. They can get together and suggest policies. And they're from all walks of life, right? Like so I just want to be around those people. But right now in Canada, it's more like you. Like you're going to be the Joe Rogan of Canada, I think, if you keep doing what you're doing. but like I want I don't want to talk to somebody famous.

I want to talk to somebody who's struggling who I could help help get over the hump so they can enjoy their life and not be angry at everybody all the time. That's what I want to do. And if you ever get a chance, I think Rogan interviewed Russell Brand. I don't know if you ever saw that.

Yeah, yeah. But there's two people for an amazing conversation. And I hope you can help facilitate a little bit more of that. Well, you know, I'd like to be in a room with Trudeau and slap them around and say, uh, dude,

what are you doing? Like step up. You've got nothing to lose. Do something interesting. Grow a set. Like, said you in 30 million Canadians, right?

Like that'd be the greatest pay per view, uh, on our planet. You, you want to, you want to solve COVID overnight, all the problems of money and everything. Get Trudeau in a boxing match with Mike Tyson and we will fund our deficit.

Over. Actually, you just have to get rid of Trudeau's advisors because they're the ones that are, that are keeping their position by encouraging him to do, nonsense things. He's actually a fairly smart guy I've met him. But his advisors are just constantly pummeling him. These are the people who undermine government courtesans who want to keep their position. Another topic, I'm helping the Canadian, some senior Canadian generals dealing with a sexual assault thing. And that is a topic where liberals are destroying our military and people

in Trudeau's government are deliberately leaking these investigations to destroy generals. But that's another topic for none. Well, we might have to just have you. back on just to go deeper into that because that sounds like it would be a fascinating hour to sit and hear a little bit more on that. But I'm not going to keep you all day. I do truly appreciate you hopping on this morning, Philip. It's been a quick hour. She flew by, but I appreciate you hopping on and doing this with me. See, brilliant. Thanks for tuning in any day, folks. I got a question. Is your blood pressure raised at all? Well, I hope you enjoyed it. I hope it spurred on some thoughts. It didn't make you swerve the vehicle or showed at the radio.

I probably did. Who am I kidding? I know half of you when I don't say something aloud, usually shouting at the radio. I'm glad I could get you involved in the conversation today. Regardless, I appreciate you tuning in for 2021. Believe me, I'm going nowhere. 2022, we're going to start off like a rocket ship and just keep it going. I'm really looking forward to the new year.

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