Shaun Newman Podcast - #230 - Mike Kuzmickas 2.0

Episode Date: January 3, 2022

CEO of Ichor Blood Services is back on the podcast. We discuss La Crete the lowest vaccinated community in Alberta, T-Cell testing & changes in his kids while living in Mexico.  CBC La Crete Link: https://youtu.be/X3DMCmuFmgk Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Support here: https://www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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the Prairie's trusted source for Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Fiat, and all things automotive for over 110 years. He's the CEO of I-Corp Blood Services. I'm talking about Mike Kuzmiskis. So buckle up. Here we go. This is Mike Kuzmis, and welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Mike Kuzmistis. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on. Thanks for having me on again. You know, I was going to comb my hair and like change my shirt. We were supposed to do this three hours ago. And then I walked outside to negative 34 and I'm sure it was chillier than that with the wind. And the truck wouldn't start. Nothing was going right. And all I could sit and go, wouldn't it be, isn't it just funny that the guy I'm interviewing today is sitting in Mexico. and is calling plus 21 brisk, you prick.

Brisk, it's brisk. I actually put a t-shirt off you. I had a tank top on all day. It's a little sweaty in this t-shirt here. Anyway, well, how's Mexico going? It's good, man. It's really, really good. We've been here two months now and exceeded expectations, to be honest.

Our four-year-olds in a nature of daycare that she just plays outside all day. Our little guy's got a caregiver that looks after him for a few hours, Monday to Friday. a massive expac community here. So you don't need to know any Spanish unless you choose to learn it, which we're, you know, we're doing taking lessons just to pick it up. I'll go surfing one morning a week.

I'll, you know, work from here. I just sent you a picture in my view of the ocean from up here. So it's, and it's not minus 30. So it's exceeding expectations by all counts right now. You know,

you're giving me the postcard, which makes everybody want to go there. But what, what's maybe something then that you didn't plan for that was maybe a bit of a surprise. There's two things that come to mind when I think of that. The positive side is the undoubted change that's happened in our kids since we came down, like completely reversed them as human beings.

So I guess the best example would be our son. He's 15 and 16 months now. Back in Calgary, he was starting to go in on himself a little bit, right? He was kind of just stuck at home all the time. When we do go out, he was just seeing people in masks. He didn't have the facial cues and the smiles and the things that develop some of those social, you know, skills and emotions. And anytime we'd go out to hang out with people, he'd kind of be intimidated by strangers. He wouldn't let anybody hold them but mom.

All of a sudden, you come down here and it's just this big community. He's outside playing all the time. He sits on the front of me when I ride around in the golf cart to take our daughter to school and back. He's seeing everybody in a community, interacting and now he just, you can go to a room with 20, 20 strangers to have a drink with somebody you've never met. You can put him in the middle of the room and he's totally fine. He'll just sit there and play with whatever and he's come out of his shell completely. So the positive irreversibly changed the trajectory of our kids' lives socially. It's worth it just for that.

The negative, I had a one and a half to two inch long friend land on our deck yesterday and I said, what is that? And I googled it and it's called a tarantula hawk wast and it hunts and kills tarantulas. So that landed on our deck. So that kind of shocked me back to reality a little bit that there is some, I'm not a big insect guy. There's some things down here that just not on the up and up. So positives and negatives, mostly positives though. Yeah. All right. Well, then how, while you sit down there, you know, basking in the sun, besides looking at me going, laughing at my text this morning because my truck's dead. And of course, I parked at right smack in the middle of our driveway so I couldn't get a vehicle out to even boost it, right? So I just felt like a complete

nutter moron. And to all the people listening to make me even more of a moron, did I plug it in last night? No, I didn't plug it in. So it's all on me today. When you sit down there and you're looking at Canada right now and you're reading all the headlines, you're falling along, what's some things that stick out to you? You know, it's, it's pretty easy for a guy like myself and others that are listening to, you know, we're dealing with XYZ, every single day. We're, you know, we're living it. And for a guy who's sitting down south, what do you pay attention to in Canada? What's maybe lifting an eyebrow or two? Sure. I think being separated from the situation emotionally has allowed me to focus more on

the analytics side, the data, the statistics, and kind of take a look at how data is shifted. So any of your listeners who also kind of take a look into the data and they go on government websites, The one thing I've noticed that's really changed is the data around Omicron and vaccines and infection rates, all that stuff. It is interesting to see how the narrative being pushed for vaccine mandates as it being for the greater goods to protect your neighbor and all that stuff. It's really shifted in the last two weeks. You've seen Ontario and Manitoba and Alberta when it comes to cases. it's been inverted now. You have more cases of vaccinated people than you have unvaccinated people.

So that obviously is a factor of you have way more vaccinated people out there. And I get that. But Ontario presents their data. It's more interesting. And it says it's cases per 100,000. So it kind of normalizes it out. And they've inverted. They've actually, their graph crossed, then they have more vaccinated cases than unvaccinated.

So sitting down here watching from Mexico, what's happening in Canada, the, I just see a lag in policy approach that needs to get caught up to where we are today. And so it's going to be interesting to see how long it takes for those policies to catch up to the reality of where the science is right now. And it's happening fast. I don't know if you've seen the transmissibility curves on on Omicron versus Delta, but it's almost completely taking it over. Like it's it's dominating like nothing anyone's ever seen. And you can see that in the graph. So Omicron is it now. It is going to be everywhere. and it seems to be evading vaccines very quickly.

You've seen some reports about effectiveness come down to 15% post 10 weeks. You know, I talked about the case count switching. So the transmissibility is actually equal now between vaccinated and unvaccinated. There's no difference. So the policies around vaccine mandates and all the heartache and all the trouble that's being caused by governments and people and, you know, people being laid off work and lawsuits and all this chaos is just right now is just not justified. That's not what we should be focusing on is what I'm seeing down here being being aside from it. It's been very, very interesting to kind of watch the data. And I encourage people, look at the data, do your own research.

Go look at the government sites. Don't just read headlines and make judgments. But go look at the actual numbers, which is how I've made my decisions along this path the whole time. It's interesting. You'll be episode 2.30, I think. And I had a lawyer on from Ontario on episode 2.20. 29. And his advice is just to go get vaccinated. And it was, it was an interesting, an interesting look into how, yeah, other people are approaching this. You know, the lovely thing about a podcast is I get to,

you know, lots of people say I'm very biased and I have on the same thought process and whatever else. But you get to see how different people are approaching the problems we're seeing in society right now. And the previous episode, I think, I think most listeners could agree with me was a bit of a curveball. They probably turned it on expecting, you know, we're going to fight for constitutional rights and whatever. And in walks a guy and says, don't be an idiot. Look what the rich and powerful are doing.

Get vaccinated. And then now here's a data guy going, if you look at it, you know, like it's evading the vaccines and go to your research again. And it changes quickly. I mean, three weeks from now, who knows? They're just, you know, I'm a crime is just getting going. So who knows where the data is? It's interesting.

I mean, the go get vaccinated thing is, it's a, that's been the message from the start. It's just the easiest, it's the easiest policy and it's the easiest thing to say. Just everybody go do it. And you won't have the disparity between backs and unvaccin. And then we're all going to be in the same ship together regardless of which way the ship is going. I understand that, right? It just avoids a lot of headache for people. But for somebody like me who I have a problem with authority, to be totally honest, and I struggle

being told what to do. It's been out with my whole life. So I have that problem. That just doesn't work for me. I need to come to that conclusion myself through understanding facts and the data. So very interesting to see how everyone's opinions and policies and things are different from all over the place.

What's interesting is there isn't really a right answer from anywhere. It's just you're doing the best you can with the information that you can find available. I would say is where we are right now with everything. So we will continue to see how things change. It's happening real quick right now with Omicron. Things are rapidly changing.

So we'll see where we are in a couple weeks again. What are you seeing down in Mexico? COVID, what? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you see right now it's crazy. The town is overrun by tourists. This is a huge tourist hotspot, especially right now.

You know, you'll see the odd person walking around with masks. usual the people that are walking around with masks right now are people that have come from from the environments in in the United States and Canada where that's just become the norm. So they come down here and they just assume that's the norm. So you see the odd mask. But in terms of like there's no, there's no, obviously, there's no passport system. There's no vaccine requirements to fly domestically or anywhere else. I had to fly to Tijuana for a meeting, just got on a plane and went just like you normally would.

What's interesting here is the TVs, very few of them and the ones that are on are showing CrossFit. MMA, you know, there's no Anderson Cooper, there's no CNN, there's no CBC just blasting you with tickers all day long, none of that. So it's not really a thing here. I couldn't actually tell you if I ran into anybody who had confirmed a case or wanted to talk about it in two months I've been down here. It's just not a thing. Well, then let me tell you about the, the interesting somewhat rabbit hole I got on. What are we at? We're in the on Boxing Day. There's two sides right now. There's always two sides, but the two sides are very interesting because they're both getting applauded, like a ton of applause for this. One is the family COVID Cup where, you know,

we all got free, uh, you go pick up your free, uh, rapid test. So you could make sure you're testing everybody before they get together. So we're not spreading this thing and blah, blah, blah, blah. So there's a ton of people who are saying, calling themselves the family COVID cup. And people are applauding them for this. I just, you know, like, my brain can't fathom it. I, in fair. I just can't fathom that. And that's one side. And if you look at the comments they're getting, it's not like you're an idiot.

It's like good on you, keeping everybody safe, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? I smile because it makes me chuckle. On the other side, you got people posting pictures of them together with like, I don't know, 30s probably exaggeration. But you get the point saying, no restrictions here, best Christmas ever.

And they're getting applauded. And I just go, and here we are again with these two like odds. Two sides, man. Two sides. That's how it's been from the start. It's two sides. And each person on their own side knows with 100% certainty that they're right. There's no middle ground. And two years later, nothing has changed and we're still here. So it's terrible. It's absolutely terrible. You think politics can bring us back? Do you think a leader can pull this back together? Yes, 100%. A leader can pull it back together. The problem is what my definition of a leader is different from your definition of a leader is different from someone else's definition of leader, right? Everybody responds to different leadership styles in different ways. Some people need the leader that takes their hand and shows them and tells them what to do. And some people need the leader that in the background is helping them to understand and solve problems by themselves so that they are empowered that they're part of the solution. So what we've had to date is the type of leader who's grabbing you by the hand, either nicely or force. and telling you what to do all the way through. And people like me who don't respond to that type of leadership are struggling with that.

But if you had some, if you had some clarity on statistics on the data, and you, and you had a leader who took the time to walk people through the data and the numbers and allowed them to understand exactly what the situation is, and allowed them to have dialogue based on fact and not what they saw on Twitter or Instagram and didn't force this. I think you would find a way out of this. I think you would find that you bring people

from both sides towards the middle to have a discussion to say, oh, that's interesting, that data you presented. I haven't seen that before. That's interesting, but have you seen the flip side and have an actual discussion. The whole concept of this is what you're doing. It's just one way or the other.

You're not going to get everybody under that umbrella. you need to have a different leadership style. And the leaders that we have right now, it's been two years of, what, banging your head against the wall, dragging people against their will, being wrong sometimes, not admitting when you're wrong, blaming it on something else. It's just terrible leadership all around from leadership courses and from leadership examples is just terrible. So yes, I absolutely think there's a path out of this with honest, visible, transparent

leadership, 100%. are you seeing that anywhere um i think you see a little bit of it in european union uh and some in some of the leaders out there not not the top ones but in some of um you know european parliament representatives you've seen some of it in in u.s senate representatives um obviously the there's people that are uh you don't want to call them your generals but your your captains and your lieutenants that are trying to do that they are trying to to bring people together and have discussions and and But it starts at the top. Something like this is from the top.

It's got to come from the top. So when you have the Trudeau on top, rightly or wrongly, who is intentionally creating division, right, putting the us versus them narrative out there forcefully, using the word them to refer to unvaccinated. I mean, you've immediately split the country. Your leadership credibility is gone. You are not going to be able to bridge the gap anymore.

You're just not. So he's got two sides right now under him in this country. He's not going to ever be the unvaccinated sides Premier or for Prime Minister. He's not. Those days are gone. Well, that's Biden in a nutshell, isn't it? Right? This isn't just Canada.

This is this is bigger. This is bigger than where we just live. This is, I mean, Biden and his presidency has done a very similar thing, right? Created us first them. And anytime you got that, you're right. It's our, all of us common people, we're just like, can we just move on? You know, like, I don't know how much. many times, Mike, in the last, oh, it's probably been two months, but for sure the last like 10 days,

I've just been told. I'm just tired of them. I'm just sick of it. Like, let's just carry on with life. But when government continues to, you know, I'm a hockey guy. Take a look at the world juniors right now, 50% capacity, no food or drink. The women's shut down. The max tournament that's been in Calgary since 19. Don't quote me on the 78, I believe. Toast. I'm just done. Right. And you're like, we've been in this for two years now. Like we either figure some things out or we haven't figured out anything. Either way, we should be able to figure out a way to do these things properly. Or just admit we got some things wrong.

Let the kids play because last time I checked, they're not the ones getting sick anyways. Maybe not sick. They're not the ones having the severe outcomes. Let the kids play, right? Like, but here we are. Yeah, here we are. And the thing is, is the common, the, the, the, the men, like myself doesn't get to decide when we're out of this doesn't get I get to speak with a lot of

people and figure out where everybody's at and try and pull people together but the longer the top guys don't want to bring us together bridge the gap you're right it won't happen and the thing is what you're telling me that is a guy like Trudeau has to go before this gets better essentially I mean you know the last election that was his um his big seeking approval for what he was trying to do and he ended up nothing changed, right? But he has his minority. He doesn't have a majority of overwhelming people saying 100% you're doing what you're doing is great.

And so out of that, he's now taken 20% of the country and put them into a them bucket with less rights than the other. He's broken the country. So 20% of the people are never going to, likely never going to trust him or support him or anything he wants to do again. I mean, he busted that.

They talk about burn bridges. That bridge is burnt, man. That's done. So it's going to, I think you need a leadership change. I really do. I don't, you know, next election is a long way, hope, but I just don't see any other way around it, to be honest.

And, you know, your comments about how you have so many people telling you, I just want, we just need to be done with this. I'm just over this. I'm so sick of it. You heard Kenny talk about, you know, a couple weeks ago, how he believes people have reached the upper threshold for their tolerance for mandates and lockdowns. And then guess what's happening right now?

Another one, right? Like, yes, people have reached the upper threshold limits for their tolerance for this. Of course they have. We'll talk about this small town Alberta case study that we did here that shows maybe it is over. Maybe it's over in some places. And we're just beating a dead horse here for no reason. Well, before we get to that, I would just say politicians have shown me. And I think a lot of people, they will say whatever they want to say.

And they're not held to the same standard as Miriam. I can't get over how one day they can say one thing and then do the complete opposite the next day, the next week, the next month. It's like, you know, probably five years ago they could do that. And for the most part, people just carried on with life, right? And I'm talking about where I'm at right now because nobody really care. All right. Yeah, sure, whatever. But today when it dictates so much about what we can and cannot do, people are pissed.

And the thing is, is like the upper limit. the upper limit was probably six months ago. And here we are at Christmas again. You know, like even if Kenny came out and said, nobody in anyone's house, we're going to have cops out everywhere, whatever,

I tell you what, nobody cared. Nobody's listening anymore. Everybody's just like, I'm going to Christmas. You know, like a year ago, we still had Christmas,

but everybody was like concerned, you know, like, hmm, right? This year, I don't know of a single person who was like, like, I'm just not going to go have Christmas.

That didn't account. And yet, you understand there are people out there still in that bubble of like, not going out, going to be careful, going to wear my triple mask, and I'm going to hand sanitize my entire body. And I'm going to, you know, like, I'm going to do all these things to make sure this doesn't get to me. And here we are. Yeah.

And I chat with those individuals all day. I do a lot of engagement on LinkedIn with, you know, a lot of statistics and then my opinions on things. And obviously, I get both sides respond to that. And I get a lot of the other side of it, the very pro-vax, no matter what type conversations. And what's come to light to me is what has happened in my mind is that humanity has decided that they no longer have a tolerance or a willingness for death. They no longer have a tolerance or acceptance of risk.

For some reason, in the last two years, everybody seems to have forgotten that life is, fragile and it comes with risk and death is a part of it. And they block that out. So somebody wants to talk to me on LinkedIn about risk management and how taking vaccines is a risk management thing. You know, and I'll bring up, I said, yeah, but you still, you put your seatbelt on and you go driving a car and you're accepting the risk of being in that vehicle. You will put on a life preserver and go out on a boat in the ocean because you understand that there's still an inherent risk of drowning off the boat. You took your vaccines, but now you're saying, even though you took your vaccines, you're still not going to go out and you're still not

going to do anything. You're pissed off because there's a risk that you still might catch COVID. Like the lack of willingness to accept risk to me is what has really changed in the last two years. That's the big driver. We've, risk tolerance has come up a lot lately with different guess because obviously, you know, like at this point, you know, we were talking the case is how they're flipping, right? Like more people with the vaccines are getting infected and what have you. And it's like, okay, so at this point, you know, like I just come back to the people who are unvaccinated, just have a higher tolerance for risk. Like they, they understand there's risk with getting COVID. And they're willing to take that risk. The people who are vaccinated,

Lots of them have the same tolerance. They're like, yeah, no, I'm good to go. But there are a ton that are a loud minority that want stricter lockdowns, want to obliterate COVID, so to speak, with a holy vaccine, you know, that doesn't stop transmission, doesn't stop you from getting it, right? Like, it's, it's a head scratcher, for sure. It is. And I just want to own the risk thing before we jump into this case study. There's a, there's a, there's a, I did a little digging on stats here last few days. And so one of the things that I found I looked into Alberta annual mortality, right? Accounting for increasing population. So you just, you just, you just, you break it down to just go by a percentage basis. So from the last since 92, 1992, every year Alberta loses between 0.58. and 0.61% of our population dies. Okay. In 2020, that went up to 0.67%. So an increase of 0.06% mortality when COVID kicked in. People die. People have always died. It's part of it. When we talk about this case study,

that's just the unfortunate part of what's happening. And when you put it and you break it down like statistics, a 0.6.0.06 percent. increase in mortality is what has caused this two-year cluster that that were happening. And from that perspective, if you think about it like that, it's really difficult to wrap your head around why this has happened. So I just found those numbers interesting. Doesn't that, when you put it like that, doesn't it just make you think this is where

the world's at? Like, honestly, we both got young kids. when I grew up there was a winner and loser there was first second third now I'm not saying we go back to that I'm just saying that's what my childhood was now you get participation medals and I know Don Cherry's done his long rants on it everybody's done their long ransom I'm just saying it's a shift in the way society thinks right we want to be man I was listening to uh one of the world leaders talks and I couldn't believe how many times he said inclusive like it must have been 15 times in his speech we want to be so We don't want anybody to feel excluded. But no matter how hard you try, somehow you're always going to exclude someone. It's like this impossibility, right? So they do participation, blah, blah, blah. You talk about death.

I just go, we want to save everybody. We do not want anyone to die. And that is an impossibility. Like there's no way to ever make that happen. Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't try. I'm just saying you have to understand that even by trying, I mean, geez, all we got to do is look at suicide, drug overdoses. Has that become a problem? Oh, yeah, it has. Well, it's a cause and effect, right? Like, by clamping down, we're not going to lay anybody outside their house. We're going to put masks on everybody. Great. How many people did we save that way? Maybe a few, maybe lots. I have no idea. But at the same time, we've also just created, you know, when I look at it, I've witnessed two people, one, a very good friend, one, actually both very good friends. have mental breakdowns during this.

Both healthy young men. Think about that. I don't know of a single healthy young man to die of COVID. Now, I'm not saying there hasn't been. I'm just saying I personally don't know any. I can go over those numbers for you too, because that's how I base my decision on me not getting vaccinated by those numbers. But anyway, carry on with your thought because I agree with you

that we have shattered mental health in this country. We've shattered it. We just don't understand. Like, we want everybody to be happy and have a good life and protect everyone and make them feel included in everything we do. But it's impossible. But that's where society's at.

This is where we're at. And so is it by any stretch of imagination that we're just a product of where we're at? Like we're at a spot where the death rate went up. And any death rate going up, no matter what the cause, we want to protect against that. Everybody's like, is it a bad flu? Is it worse? Like, I got friends who have been hit hard by this. I'm not saying it isn't there.

It's just here we sit. We want to protect everyone. We don't want kids playing a sport because they might contract Omnacron. While are they dying from it? Well, no. So what are we doing? in that. I got a really refreshing reply to one of my posts where a gentleman came through and he said it was about, it was my 1992 and 0.58 to 0.61% of the population dies every year. He replied and he said,

thank you for posting. He said, I'm one of the ones who have lost a very close loved one directly to COVID-19. However, I recognize that this is part of living. This is part of life. This happens. and we just need to move on coming from somebody who lost somebody very, very close to them because of this, right? Well, and I've had a lady reach out to me and had her young kid in the hospital, very serious. It wasn't, it was, what was the M? Geez, I'm going to forget now. It wasn't COVID, but it was something that attacked a young kid. and he was in the stallery.

And it was because of COVID. Like I'm torturing this story right now, pardon the term. But here, she wrote me this lovely email. And at the end of it, I just assumed she was going to say, you need to change your thoughts on kids getting vaccinated because, you know, my kid's been hurt by COVID. Like we're in the hospital right now. We're seeing the, you know, the ugly side of this for the very few it happens to.

And at the end, she just said, but we understand the risks and we still don't want people to be forced into something they don't want to do. And I went, oh, man, that's a, that's a balanced email if I've ever seen it, right? Like that's, you want those heads to prevail, right? Well, I think there's, I think there's more of those, those heads and those opinions than, then we realize. It's just like you said, the very vocal, overly vocal minority that's. dominating the conversation right now. It's just drowning everyone else out. And I think there's a lot of people that are in that both that understand the nature of what we're doing. It's a personal risk that people take. And we just need to just need to move on. So I think I just think it's important for

people to understand numbers and make their own decisions. This is how this always should have been. So here's the numbers. I updated these for myself last night to kind of walk you through my thought process. So these are for Alberta. So the 346,000 cases that have been confirmed. We know that number is going to be underreported just because of a lot of people not getting tested because of the stigma that goes with it, the lockdowns, all that stuff, right? So 346,000 cases, 32, 399 deaths. So it works out to 0.95% mortality rate overall in Alberta from confirmed cases. average age of death is 78 life expectancy in Alberta for the last 510 years has been 81.5. Okay. So we know what's happening. We've already talked about that. So then I look at myself.

So my age bracket, I'm 30 to 39. So we had 66,500 cases to date for my age bracket. So 34 deaths in that. So that's 0.051% one in 2000, basically, chance that somebody in my age is going to get COVID and die. of that, 96% of the deaths have had one or more preexisting condition, 96%. So as a healthy individual with no preexisting conditions, I have a 4% chance that one of those deaths is going to be me. So I take my 1 in 2000 chance and I have a 4% chance of that. So my chances as a healthy 37 year old with no preexisting health conditions is a 1 in 50,000 that I'm going to get COVID and die.

So that's my risk that I've calculated for myself. So my next, my next bracket is my kids. So the under 10, 13,500 cases to date, one death. I would really like to know the circumstances on that one death. Same thing, non-existent. The next one's my parents. This is where it gets a little different. 70 to 79.

10,242 cases, that seems really low. But 762 deaths works out to a 7% chance. So 7% chance for the at risk. To me, that's, that's elevated, right? that's a pretty good chance that you're going to get into trouble with this. So the vaccines, as they were always supposed to be designed and marketed, reduce your chances of landing in the hospital or the morgue for the individual who takes it. So for me, if I'm talking to somebody who's in the 70 to 79 category,

and they may have a little bit of medical history, I'm saying, probably take the vaccines. They're going to keep you out of the hospital. They're going to keep you out of the morgue. The numbers there make sense to me. On the flip side, you have adverse events. right so there's 200 2,155 that's been reported to aHS at a 7.4 million doses so it's basically a 1 in 3,300 risk of an adverse event that's been reported that's been reported right I mean

know people who had symptoms of myracarditis that went to the hospital and they it was told it was a coincidence and they sent them home so that's been reported so for me I have a 1 in 50,000 of getting from COVID and I have a 1 in 33 at the best of a of a of a of a adverse event. It's a statistical calculation. I'm not, I'm just not going to get it right now. Numbers aren't in favor of it. So, you know, I like to do this as question and answer. So the question is, the argument is that COVID protects you, the individual keeps you out of the hospital. For the certain category, it does. For me, my, my direct family, kids, we wouldn't end up in the hospital. So, no, my parents, take it, happy, fine. The other one, stop being so

selfish, do your part, protect somebody else, take the vaccine to protect somebody else, right? That's the other big narrative that's been pushing. That's why these mandates are such a hot topic right now is do your part to protect other people. So here's some recent updates. So CBC on December 18th, an Alberta update, 173 Omicron cases, 83% of those were from fully vaccinated people. Ontario, Christine Elliott Health Minister, Twitter update, December 24th, 9,500, 71 new cases, 78% of those fully vaccinated. So with an 80% vaccination rate and an 80% positivity rate on tests, you can't honestly tell me that this is really helping stop spread during the Omicron era. It's just not. COVID-19, this is the one that really got me last night. COVID-19 Ontario statistics website, they graph it and they show it as a rate per 100,000.

So it normalizes the fact you have way more vaccinated people than you have unvaccinated. It brings it down. And it says rate per 100,000 people. the curves where it used to be unvaccinated test positive way more often than vaccinated. Since Omicron started, it's actually inverted. So you have a higher prevalence of vaccinated people testing positive for Omicron right now than you do for unvaccinated people. So my response is that case distribution is aligning with the vaccination rates. There's no evidence to show that they actually do anything to stop spread. If you take the vaccine, you're protecting yourself, you're keeping yourself out of the hospital, period. it.

Forcing somebody else to take it to protect you is just wrong. It doesn't work. So that's sort of my situation. We can get into some of the stuff we're seeing with ICOR and the testing. And we'll talk about some T-cell data later and stuff like that. And maybe I'll park my comments on that until we get there. But that's the numbers as of today, right? It just, if this is nothing emotional, this is not a tin hat,

Bill Gates is microchip and ever. This is none of that shit. It's strictly looking at the numbers and using a logical to say, for me personally, this doesn't make sense. I don't know why everyone's so upset and angry about that. It just doesn't make any sense. So let's get into La Crete, but this one's...

Before you get into Lucrete, before you get in La Crete, my only thought is, geez, that seems way too rational. It just does, right? But in fairness, in fairness, Mike, would you not agree? And maybe I'm wrong on this. That saying the numbers is different than somebody going and looking at the numbers.

So you saying them aloud and people hearing that, oh, yeah, okay, that kind of makes sense. Is it different? You have to. You have to go look for yourself. You've got to go do it. Even if you're unvaccinated, you're vaccinated, you've heard the numbers a thousand times. I'm telling you it's different if you go look at them yourself.

And don't just look at Alberta. Look at Canada. For me, my wife's from Minnesota. So I looked at Minnesota. I looked at South Dakota. I liked at Florida. I looked at Finland. I looked at Sweden. I looked all over the place because I wanted to see for myself. And once you see for yourself, that's more empowering than hearing Mike come on the Sean Newman podcast and talk about it.

It is. It's kind of like, and people learn differently, right? We know that people learn in various forms. But to me, it's equivalent of sitting in a classroom and having a physics teacher dictate, you know, the laws of physics to you. But until you actually go through the workbook and you write down the formulas and you make it stick in your own head, it's not really going to take. It's not really going to stick. You got to show your brain the stuff for itself. You got to go see the numbers for yourself. So I totally agree. This isn't hard to find.

Type in Alberta COVID statistics. Type in Canada stats can COVID statistics. Put the effort in and pull the numbers up. It's not that hard to do. Just do it. Now, Lucrete. Let's talk about Lucrete. Can you give the backstory on this just so we're all up to speed?

Yes. Lecrete, for those that don't know Lucrete, is a town in northern, Alberta. It's part of McKenzie County, I believe it's called. And so McKenzie County has, what, 25,000 people in it. And it includes, I took some notes here, so I don't get any of this wrong in Gila, but it basically includes high level, Rainbow Lake, Fort Vermillion, Lucrete and Zama. It's kind of kind of the area. And so Lucrete is a, you know, northern community. It's got a population of around 3,500 people. And it's a very tight-knit community. Church every Sunday. Everyone's a big, big family basically up there.

And what happened, just coincidental timing, CBC did a piece on them on December 13th. And the piece was inside the community with the lowest vaccination rates in Alberta. Right. And it was another one of these, I don't want to call it a hit piece because it really wasn't. But it was another one of these pieces that they like to put out to say, look at these people, how be irresponsible they're being. You know, they interviewed a couple people in the town that were fully vaccinated that were scared to go into town because they worry about COVID, which is fair. I'll put the CBC link in the show notes. So people can see.

Great. I'll sign it to you. It was about a three minute piece, right? So, and it was, I don't think it was meant to be divisive necessarily. It's just the way these pieces have been new. What was it meant to be? I'll say it. You could say it wasn't, it was meant to, so you go get your vaccine.

That's all it was. It was meant to paint a community with the lowest vaccination rate as irresponsible. Carry on. I can say it. That's fair. Okay. So coincidentally, right around the same time, the La Crete town council reached out to us, to ICOR to say, hey, we've, we kind of,

caught wind of the antibody testing that you've been doing in your other offices, are you able to help put together a little program to come to come up in Sessa? So Lucretes, I think seven hours north of, like it's a long drive, it's a big deal. But they self-organized, they got a roster together of 10-minute appointment times for us. They found us a couple, you know, LPNs to do blood draws for us. Massive help, amazing community. So we sent a few people up there, a couple cars, all our equipment. And it ended up being a three-day, full day,

full day program where we tested about, that was a 1,219, I think something like that, 1219 tests that we completed. So I don't know which way I want to do this. Let's, let's do first the CBC piece. So in the CBC piece it talks about, so there's been 55 deaths due to COVID in McKenzie County, right? So anybody who does the math, they're like, oh my God, the percentages, they're dropping like flies up there. So I talked to the town. I said, listen, here's your opportunity. I'm going on doing some podcasts. I might even talk to CBC. Like, tell me what your actual data is on the deaths. So they broke it down for me. So Lucrete itself in 2017 had 24 deaths, 18 of those were over 70. 2018, 27 deaths,

2019, 30 deaths, 2020 and 2020 and 2021 went up to 41 and 49 deaths. So there's been a death rate increase in the creek, but it's 11 and 18 respectively from 2019. And again, 26 and 30. over 70. So the majority is over 70. So I just want to read this note because this came back directly from the town. Speaking of only 2021, the deaths in 21, 21 included disabled children requiring feeding tubes, a kidney transplant from a few years prior, and another from a transplant numerous years earlier who had multiple organ failure, brain aneurysm, heart attack, diabetes complications, numerous cancer patients, and a vehicle accident. There's also a couple over 90 that died within days of each other. Of the total deaths attributed to Lucrete,

Please remember our seniors generally retire here and die here. This would be verified by the 13 cemeteries located throughout the community. There were possibly three or four deaths of COVID patients directly that did not have any or free or few preexisting conditions. Of the 49 deaths that we know of in the county, of the 49 we know of in the Crete, only a handful died with none or free preexisting conditions. The rest may have died with COVID, but not necessarily from COVID. it was the cancer heart attack vehicle. As we know, they'd like to play around with the definition of COVID death. So there you go.

So three or four is what they have seen in Lucrete for COVID deaths. So we go in and we do these, we do these 1,19 tests. We know that they have a low vaccination rate. Of the 1,19191, 991 declare themselves unvaccinated on check-in. And 203 declare themselves undisclosed, which the most part is going to be unvaccinated. people just still are scared to say it. So are the 1,219 tests, 25 of them were vaccinated.

So as a samples, and this is roughly a third of the town, just no vaccines. Of the 1,125 are vaccinated, just 25. That's right. Just 25. Okay.

The numbers come back, and they're 89% positive for antibodies among the unvaccinated crowd. 89%. And that does not include people whose antibodies may have cleared, and they still might come up positive, on a T-cell test to show the longer memory, you know, cellular immune response to COVID.

So as far as I'm concerned, with a sample size of a third of the town, you know, they've called elections with 5% of ballots counted, right? A third of the town reporting in and you got 90% positivity for antibodies. They're done, Matt. Like, they're done with COVID. They've reached herd immunity. That was always the target right from the start is, I think it was 75, then it was 85 and then milestones keep moving up.

So they're at 90% positivity. for antibodies on the unvaccinated. So the story that CBC posted, I've reached out to the reporter and I've said, listen, here's the data. I'd love to sit down with you and have a conversation about the other side. She expressed some interest, but I haven't heard back to confirm anything yet. I said, you need to tell this side of the story. Like you can't, you can't just smear them as as unvaccinated, irresponsible people when in reality, I remember in our first podcast, I told you right off the top. I said, if Alberta is being billed as the worst performing province in the country and we're getting our teeth kicked in, there's a pretty good

chance two years later that were probably in some of the best shape in the country with respect to future state of virus. Here you go. 90% positivity on antibodies, natural immunity with unvaccinated people. Now, I would guess that if other small towns in Alberta who did not follow lockdowns as closely and they were still going to church on Sunday and they were still mixing up in cafes, I bet you see the same situation and the same pattern unfolding. So I'm almost thinking at this point that COVID as a pandemic is being restricted to the urban centers where lockdowns were followed. And the price that Lucrete paid for being in the situation they are now is four deaths, essentially out of a town of 3,500, 3,500 people. So is that worth it? I've talked to Lucrete town council. They say, absolutely, I hope you can help us get the word out that we haven't been piling bodies in the streets up here, right? Generally up there, they're going to

to live a very healthy life of fresh food, right? Fresh homegrown food, lots of outdoor sunshine, fresh air, fantastic immune systems. There you go. So I look forward to, I've already gotten calls from, from a few other small towns, you know, Oyan, McComb, a couple of places like that. I look forward to seeing if there's other communities that are interested in replicating this and working with us to do, to do some testing. Because if we rely on the government, to take the chains off, it's going to take a really long time at the current rate we're on. And I think Lucrete has the data to say, we're done here. We're done with us.

So, interesting. That's fascinating. I think the last time, well, the first time you're on, I think episode 215, if memory serves me, correct. It was beginning of November, I want to say. This was a hypothesis of like, it'd be really cool to do a mass study. Right? Because, I mean, we all have our thoughts, right? But you have a testing method, which is, you know, why the government won't, you know,

why Alberta wouldn't, you know, the chunk of population that is currently unvaccinated? If you said, and I essentially rehashing the same thing we said in the first one, but if you said, listen, for 120 bucks, you go in, take a test and you prove you have the antibodies, you're free to do whatever you want, right? Like, I mean, you have what we're trying to give everyone with the vaccine. Arguably better. Arguably better. Arguably. But we won't go down that rabbit hole. And yet, nothing's changed, right? You wonder if La Crete can be, you know, can be a shining light as to maybe something that could open the door, because here it is again. But I'm going to be honest.

Politicians keep, they just, they love dragging their feet for some odd reason. Like, here's another possibility of where, open it up. Screw the, screw test in everybody at Christmas time and giving them free test. Give them a free antigen test. Let's go here. Let's figure out if we, if we're passing. Anybody, sorry, not antigen. Let's get by this thing.

Like, like I said on our first, our first meeting, it'd be nice to know what our actual baseline is to determine what our plan of attack is going forward. We've never had an understanding of what in the last since we had our first two three waves now, you've had so many people exposed to it. What is our baseline exposure to future COVID outbreaks, right? What is it actually? If you combine recent vaccinations within six months with with antibody testing for people that have that have seen it themselves, what's our actual exposure? We don't know. It'd be real nice to know. La Cretes is very low, extremely low. I want, you know, some more of the data in science is coming out saying once you've had, once you've had like genuine, authenticated COVID and you've recovered, you're good.

You have nonspecific antibodies that'll deal with whatever the hell variants come down the road. You've got nothing to worry about it anymore. So if I was the creed, I'd be having a town high five right now, man. Let's all go to church and celebrate, to be honest. You wonder if there will be more towns that hear this. that take the onus on themselves to facilitate this. Because, I mean, one phone call or create, I'm sure that wouldn't be hard.

A couple texts, and you can have the number of the people who reached out to you. And Bada Bing, Bada Boom, you could have the same type of thing. I-Corps come rolling in, do a massive test and figure out what you're working with. And, I mean, that's going to give everybody confidence to move forward from this.

Absolutely. We, as you know, we are not a big enough lab core-ish type company to handle testing for three and a half million people. So a lot of it is us working with the community, right? We need to lean on the community big time to help us find nurses, which there's a number of nurses now who are out of work that would be available to help out in small towns. So we need, you know, we'd help finding nurses. We need help finding spaces to operate, clean spaces to operate. You know, the rest of it, we only need to send one or two of our

reps there to really make sure that what's being done is going the way it needs to. We can absolutely step up and help. So I hope to get those phone calls. You know, people are going to say, oh, my God, you're in the business of selling tests. Of course, that what you say you want to sell more tests. And my response would be sure. But given that we're the only ones in Canada offering this test and doing this, I could be charging probably three, four, five hundred bucks for one of these tests. And I'd still be selling them. And I'm not, right, charging 120 bucks.

I want to get this test into people's hands. I want to get these results out. I want to get this goddamn pandemic over with just like everybody else and move on to what other interesting stuff, some of our other tests we want to do that we can't launch because our calendars are full of rapid antigen tests. Anyway. Yeah. Well, the same people are either have already taken the vaccine or are spending 100 bucks here, 100 bucks there, 30 here, 40 over there on antigen tests or PCR tests or whatever to do anything they want to do because they literally can't. I mean, money makes the world turn. Nothing's done for free big fella. So to me, I think it's a small cost to pay to find out what you're working with. I know a lot of friends and family who've taken the trip to

emminton for a day to go exactly to your lab, get a test done and see what they're working with if they got something. Because it's a confidence booster, right? Like, I think I had COVID. I did have COVID. I know a lot of those people, which, you know, they didn't want to get a COVID test, even though they had COVID because they're like, I don't want to add to the number, which so when you talk about the early number, I chuckle about it because I'm like, oh, I know a bunch of those people. Those are small-town people. They don't want, they don't want, no, I have COVID and now they're going to be calling me, tracking me. I'm just going to sit at home. I'm going to beat this thing. I'm going to move on.

And some of those people for sure ended up in the hospital, right? Because, you know, COVID, you got to look at it, eyes wide open. I mean, you know, I'm in this weird world. Had Peter McCull on, you know, um, several, what was it, two, three episodes ago. Of course, he was on Joe Rogan, everybody, you know, like, uh, it came on a 45 or 50 million million views and it gets blowing up, man. And it gets yanked off YouTube, mind it, not Joe Rogans, right? I don't have that, that, that That status, yeah, yeah. That's right.

So mine with Peter McCullough gets pulled for medical and misinformation. I'm like, I mean, literally. Yeah. Like, what are we doing here? This is you. And this is where if I was, you know, on the other side, the people that have sort of trusted the government, had their vaccines, I'd want to, I'd be wondering why these conversations, which have never been really censored before, all of a sudden being censored. Like, I'd want to hear the perspective from the other side. I'd want to actually have somebody take me through and show me the numbers that my decision was based on.

Where are we now? I know things changed a lot from April to December. What do the numbers look like now? Is it still valid? How are my efficacy is doing, right? It's pulled and it's just go get it shut up. So yeah, I feel like it's crazy. It's crazy.

T-cell testing. You had the last time we talked, that was brought up. And I had mentioned if you had charged $1,000 people probably pay for it. You've been doing some research into it. I've seen emails come out about it. Where are we at with T-cell testing? Is that coming in 2022? What's the latest, greatest?

So it is coming in 2022. I'm really desperately hoping that our Canadian solutions that are in clinical trials right now can get through those quickly and go to the commercial phase. We have, you know, talking to Dr. Stephen Pelick, he's got. He's got a test that's in clinical trials that he, they're trying to figure out, they're just backlog with results and they're trying to figure out how to commercialize it because, you know, we wouldn't be throwing them three or four a day. We'd be thrown them three, four hundred a day, no problem, right?

So, you know, that's coming on. There's another group that we're talking to, same thing, clinical trial phase. How do we get, how do we get to commercial? So in the meantime, what we found is one of, one of Europe's top infectious diseases labs out of Germany, we, we found that they had a T-cell test. And so we wanted to validate it. And so we sent 10 samples because these are much more expensive than antibody tests are. But we sent 10 samples to them to validate it, choosing people from all over the spectrum.

And so we got results back half of them last week and half of them this week. And the results that came back, I'm not doubting the test itself, but I am hesitant to unleash the beast because I just feel the way this is. gone, it's going to raise a lot more questions than answers for people. And I don't want to just create panic and pandemonium and confusion just to make a buck. That's not the goal here. But I'll go through these results. And again, this is not to say one thing or the other. I find it interesting. It's interesting data. And we'll see as we talk to more groups and we try and cross validate the same set of samples with different T-cell tests from from Dr. Pelick and others. We'll see where it lands. So what do we

We sent one, two, three, four, five samples that were vaccinated and five samples that were not vaccinated. The first four samples, the first, the first patient had natural COVID-19 and then followed that up with two doses. So the last dose was in September this year. Recent antibody score of 250, high titers, great short-term protection. T-cell scores for your inferior gammon interleukin 2, which is your sort of your, um, your, your, your, your cytokines that indicate, you know, when your, when your, when your body encounters COVID, it kicks, those kick in to produce antibodies. Cellular immunity basically is how it's referred to, uh, zero. So zero cellular immunity for that one. The next three cases, two doses five,

two doses Pfizer, two doses Pfizer, July, July, July. So what was that six months, five, six months ago. Um, same thing. Antibody tiders that scored right in December high, 250. Full titers, full protection. Cellular immunity, zero, one, zero. There's no cellular immunity there. The fifth person that controlled, no vaccine, no exposure, no nothing, antibody score zero, T cells score zero, zero's across the board. Okay.

So now you get into the non-vaccinated people. So you have, you have three people not vaccinated with September, early September positive PCR confirmations. Antibody scores from early October, 250, 250, 50 and 95. So very strong, very strong medium range. T cell scores seven and eight, which is positive and strong. So they have cellular immunity showing right now. On the flip side of that, you have somebody with no vaccines that had an April infection. So that's going back eight months with four antibody scores all the way along, recent one being a 51. So there's still antibodies

present, but they went zero zero zero across the board on T cell. No, no cellular immune response. And then this final case here, three doses of Pfizer with the most recent being a booster in December, full antibody titers and very weak classified as negative T-cell response. So this is an incredibly small sample size. You know, we need to really get into a lot more to validate this. But if I was looking at this from a data analysis perspective, what I'm seeing is that vaccinated people zero for five on. on cellular immune response T cells and vaccinated people, or unvaccinated people, sorry, two for four on a very strong cellular immune response.

So of the two non-vaccinated people that had no scores, the exercise is to say, okay, is there something else going on? Do you have a compromised immune system? Is there some medical history there that would be, you know, preventing you from having the same cellular immunity that the other ones had? So I think this could be an incredibly useful test for unvaccinated and vaccinated alike. But the concern I have after seeing this data is that, especially with the case who had COVID

and then followed it up with two vaccines to have no cellular immunity. My concern is that the vaccines are suppressing your cellular immune response to COVID-19. which means that once you start on the vaccine train, you may be on the vaccine train on boosters for the duration until COVID is no longer presenting as dangerous to you. So this whole two and done are two plus a booster. I really think that if we can confirm this with some more vaccinated cases, you might be six-month boosters for a long time.

the lab when I asked them for comment, you know, they confirm that they've seen quite a bit of information coming out of Europe, a lot of more papers that show the vaccines are not conferring cellular immune response. It's just sort of that short-term surface, you know, antibody immediate protection. So basically keep your gas tank topped up and you're going to be fine with the vaccines. But it's the keeping your gas tank topped up part and what that might be doing to you. That could be interesting. So that's the data. I mean, I would say it's nothing more than interesting at this point.

I wouldn't go one way or the other with it. I found it extremely interesting. I would love to get that going and potentially, you know, there's what we might do is, you know, is offer it up on a limited basis to people that understand that we're still kind of in this feeling it out phase and say, hey, well, you can buy this test. But if your result comes back and it confuses you as in you had COVID, but you're showing no T cell response. I mean, that's, you know, might want to have a chat with some specialists and see and understand with the experts how this, how this looks and how it might break down. That would

allow us to get more data, data points to validate this. But certainly, this is not a test right now based on how the results come in that aligned with what I was expecting and saying, okay, here, 10,000 people, you go pay 300 bucks and you get this test. And it's going to tell you, you know, if you had COVID and you have a satellite immune response. That's, I don't, I don't know if we're there with this right now. So I'll keep you posted if we decide to open this up on a limited basis. I know there's going to be a lot of people that don't care and they just want to get it done anyway. So how many how many how many how many doses of vaccines did Trudeau purchase for the next? Do you remember that? All I know is you fumbled the ball off the top and then

you ordered like 4,200 per person for the next 15 years. I can't remember the numbers. I don't know. I haven't looked into the contracts or anything like I don't know the contracts were sealed as well. So I actually don't know. But you you start to hear things about how the H. like, you know, vaccine cards had spots for six or seven or eight or whatever it was. And you start to kind of look at this and you look at the efficacy dropping off to 15% with Omicron. You're like, yeah, you know, there's a report. It's not peer reviewed yet. It's in preprint, but it basically showed that vaccine effectiveness wanes after 10 weeks with Omicron out in Europe.

So now we're down to 10 weeks potentially. So shit, man. I don't know. It's like I said off the top. It is rapidly evolving. and we're just trying to stay on top of the data and the information where we can. Canada orders, I'm just looking here. Yeah, yeah.

I'm trying to find the article because I know Canada has now ordered over 350 million vaccine doses from seven different sources. It's saying 358. I was really hoping to find the CBC talk about this, which I can't. So to all the listeners, please, I'm sure I'll get it sent to me. But I'd heard this crazy number. And I was like, why would you ever order that many, right? Like, I think a lot of us were like, geez, that's a lot.

I mean, eight or nine per person based on that way. You just told me, right? Right. But, you know, if you, here's speculation for you. Here's a word that's been being used a lawful lot right now. You know, it's interesting to watch language and how it changes as this thing goes along. And everybody's starting to use the word speculation because they're getting, while you said, well, here's speculation.

What you just said was your fear is as long. as COVID's around, you're going to be on the booster train because you basically got to keep your tank filled to have protection, right? Go back to Peter McCullough. When Peter McCullough was first on the podcast, he said three to five years of COVID. I'm not trying to scare everybody. I'm just trying to piece together some speculation for you. And then you go, and we have, you know, is it 300, is it 350 million? We know this. He's ordered booster shots or shots for for in the 2025, I believe, right? And you go, well, McCull is a smart guy,

you're a smart guy, and what our government is, if we don't think they're completely blind mice and they know a little more than we do, it adds up to your fear might be somewhat true. In that if you stick on the vaccine train, you might have to, because at the end of the day, if your antibodies are or it's suppressing, I guess. I'm trying to take your words here and just try and expand on them a little bit.

There might be something there. That's a scary thought, though. Yeah, the concern is the vaccine spike proteins are out competing and bullying out sort of your innate immune system, right? That was talked about on a recent podcast I was listening to. So, I mean, if that is a possibility where you've essentially, compromised your immune system with the vaccine relative to COVID-19, then yeah, you can't, you can't pull off, you may not be able to pull off the vaccines until COVID has mutated to the point where it's just, it's not a big deal. Omicron being as transmissible as it is,

if Omicron turns out to continue to be what it is right now, which is this really, you know, mild symptoms, not a big deal. This could be the home run for humanity. Like, this could be the beginning of the end. You've got this very transmissible virus. It's not going to kill you. you know, even if you have people that have been on the booster train and pull themselves off and they're basically starting back at square one and they get it and they're fine, super, then we're all done and this thing moves on. But if that thing shows some teeth and people that are currently on the booster train have just decided that they're done with this whole vaccine program and they pull themselves off

the program and then they get the variant and they get sick and they got nothing, you know. Yeah, but then you come back to early treatment. Then you come back to what McCullough is talking about. Everyone at this point, whether you're on it or off of it, should be looking at the early treatment protocols that have been going around because that can help make life just move on regardless of what's going on here. And I finally found the CTV news article about it, and it said that the federal government has reached a deal with Pfizer

to secure 35 million vaccine booster shots for next year and 30 million for the year after that. And then it said Justin Trudeau made the, announcement or press conference on Friday stating that the agreement includes options for an additional 30 million doses in both 2022, 2020, and 60 million more in 2024. Yeah. So those are options, right? Those are, those are him being able to pull his option card and, and get those doses. So he's basically, he's planning for one a year, one person a year for the next two years with

the option of audible link to a six month booster for the next two years, if required. that's you know i mean i can't if if you if you're on the the vaccine is the solution plan i mean that's that's probably contractually the right the right move there but you know i just can't have people that people have got two that following the government program you know i'm going to get my two so i keep my freedom mobility i'm going to do what you told me to or i'm going to get this vaccine to keep my job because if i don't i'm not going to put food on the table and then all of a sudden they wake up and the statistics start showing them that the vaccines don't actually prevent spread they're not protecting their neighbor they're still going to

to catch it, right? And they were never at risk of landing in the hospital anyway. Piss, man. I mean, absolutely pissed. I think a lot of people are, like you said, a lot of people get pissed off. So, yeah, really, really interesting to follow, you know, emotionless, follow the data and see how things have been changing rapidly right now. Well, let's slide into the Crude Master Final Five. I do appreciate you coming back on. I know you got a real tough life down there in Mexico. But shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald, the supporters of the podcast since the very beginning. I'm curious, you know, is there a community in Western Canada

that you've read about or are staring at that you'd like to go into and do a bunch of testing? You know, like would you want to go into a city like Emmington that's been under lockdown and do testing there? Or is there something else? Is there another place you'd love to try this theory out, like Lecrete? Well, well, first of all, we've been doing testing in Calgary, Emmington, Red Deer. You know, we've done 10,000 tests to date and we're showing a 55, 60% antibody positive on the

unvaccinated. So, I mean, that's a pretty good sample size. You could argue that you have half of your people that are out there unvaccinated, have seen it and they're done with it, right? So we've done that. The next one, you know, for sure, in any small town who wants to do the program, yes, I'm actually in conversations with some people right now to potentially open up the Grand Prairie office. I think Grand Prairie. would be an interesting one. There's there's boots on the ground there that can help us. Same thing sort of in northern community. It's larger. It's got it's got more of the urban sort of policy to it so you'll have more of the lockdowns and the restrictions there.

So I would not expect to find the same breakdown there as you would in the Crete. But GP is one I'd like to see if I can't make that one work. And then yeah, any any town councilman or town council lady from any of these small towns that's even not even commit to a program just have a conversation. Feel free. Reach out to Sean. I'll give my contact information. We can have a chat and see if there's anything we can do to help you out.

Angry Uncle Helen. Don't quite understand that one. So I apologize to angry Uncle Helen. He wants to know or she wants to know. It's an interesting. Do you have a spare room in Mexico for the rest? Man, it's great down here. But cost of living is insane.

And inventory is zero. I think word got out what we were doing. And there's a whole bunch of, as soon as we landed, we got people from medicine at Calgary, Toronto, Edmonton, Red Deer, like just families down here, left, right, and center. So there's another business I got to figure out starting up is a Canadian refugee real estate company in Seulita. Sort that one out.

Do you need a real estate agent? Do you have one in Seulita that knows the Mexican local lending rules and legal paperwork? No, but I'm pretty motivated, Mike. I can figure some things out. be a personal assistant for the CEO of ICOR. Come on down. You mentioned vitamin D. I saw your early emails on this. You offer vitamin D testing. What's been the early data on that? Early data is actually good. It's encouraging. There's, you know, the reference range from Mayo Clinic for your concentrations is anywhere between 20 and 50. I think it's micrograms per mill.

So there's kind of that bandwidth in there that they like to see people in. they're there south so we're a little bit further north so you'd arguably like to see people a little bit higher but the vast majority of people that we tested so far have are pretty good um they're they're in that 20 to 50 there's a lot of people that are between 50 and 80 which is elevated but not dangerous but the value in the test is when you pick up the the person who's very deficient who's you know kind of under 10 or the person who's out of out of fear and potentially watching too many um podcasts without understanding the background is pop and vitamin D pills like a like a mother and they're testing at 156 in danger of toxicity, right?

So it's a very valuable test for that. Check your levels, get it done. Just like all this other stuff we're doing too. Like next month into February, we're going to start doing follicle stimulating hormone, you know, pregnant fertility testing for women, total testosterone levels for men, Lyme disease. We're going to do Lyme disease check. We're going to do a bunch of stuff.

This is the stuff I want to get into that I want to offer to people, but we got to get past COVID to do it. Why? I see those. I see the list he sent me, the female fertility, the total testosterone, prostate health index, and Lyme disease. Why those four? Like, they, I get the, honestly, I get the cancer one. After that, I'm like, hmm, why, why those four? The testosterone one has always just been of interest to mind. You know, hormones are so important to the basic chemistry. For me as an individual, I was kind of always wondering, like, what my testosterone levels.

were, do they increase when I'm on an exercise cycle? Do they go down? Where am I relative to the optimum range? I've been feeling really crappy and depressed the last couple weeks. Maybe that, you know, that was sort of a personal one that I looked up and it was reasonably priced and a good one. Female fertility came from a lot of client feedback for people asking about, hey, you know, I know there's fertility clinics in town, but it's kind of a pain in the butt to get that

all organized. I would just like to check my FSH levels and do you guys offer that blood test. So sure, we can do that. Lyme disease. We're in hiking country, right? We plan to put that out probably in May June, but a lot of people go to the mountains. Lyme disease is, it's controversial just because of diagnosis on it. But, you know, this disease test for antibodies to Lyme disease.

So if somebody's been dealing with a lot of chronic health issues that are inexplainable, maybe they run a Lyme disease test and that comes back positive to explain some of the things they got going on. So it's not just those four. Those are just sort of the four that we picked out. But, I mean, what I'm trying to do with the company is take the model that we've proven successful, which is give people access to, useful tests at their fingertips and broaden that past COVID. You know, get it.

If your listeners or anyone has feedback on, you know, I think this would be a really interesting test. I've always wanted to do this. I'm sure we can get it done. We're very tight with Mayo Clinic and we have access to pretty much their full roster. So, you know, if there's, if there's some tests that people want to get done, we can probably bring them in and get them done. That's the whole point of what we're trying to do.

And it's cool. It's, uh, well, as I don't know how I got stumbled on to you. I don't know how this, uh, you know, relationship. I say this to quick Dick McDick all the time, the guy from Saskatchewan. I say it to do on, like, it's very weird to become friends with somebody having never met them, meeting them through the virtual world, right? That's the new world, man. Yeah. It's very strange. But as I sit here and watch what you're doing and read the emails and follow along, what you're doing is, is, well, in my eyes, very unique. I'm sure it isn't as unique as I give it credit to.

but at the same token, I feel like you're offering up solutions for how to move us out of the current situation. Anyone doing that has the tip of the cap for me because we desperately need to get out of this cycle we're in to where, you know, the masks come off. People start to feel more confident. We can go back to smiling at one another and not trying to stick, you know, knives in everyone's back, so to speak. Like it would be really nice to get back to where I'm not hearing about Canadians, although Mexico's a nice place. I just want to go there for a holiday and come see Mike and eat them out of house and home and then go back to minus 34. I just need a break for a week, you know? Yeah, yeah.

But right now it's the opposite. There's tons of people that are just getting out. They just, they're looking at it. And I know we talked about this last time, but you just hear an awful lot about it. And I look around at my community and the place I live. And I, you know, do I not like the minus 34? Sure. But other than that, this is a pretty cool little place to live

and surrounded by great people. Yeah. Yeah. And we, you know, my wife and chat, I've chatted, apparently being down here in the summer is not advised, just hot, humid, and just awful. So I'd love to be able to come back to, you know, Canada on May 1st and have this all done with and get my life back where it was

and do all the things I wanted to do. But as, as it stands right now, there's nothing for me to come back for. There's nothing for our family to come back for, right? kids would be back to not doing activities. You know, we wouldn't be able to do anything. So I look forward to doing my part to try and get us past this to try and reclaim our country and move forward. Well, I appreciate you coming on, Mike.

All the best. Enjoy the heat. I'm sure you guys will have a fun little New Year's. Mexico and New Year's. That'll be a fun little treat. I'll be thinking of you as we all stay indoors, socially distant. mass on not making sure we check each other's cards, taking a rapid antigen test before we go to anywhere.

Am I missing anything? I'll be thinking of you regardless. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Sean. It's been a pleasure as always, buddy. Yeah, you bet. Thanks for tuning in today.

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