Shaun Newman Podcast - #233 - Dr. Paul Alexander

Episode Date: January 12, 2022

Pauls worked for the government of Canada, the WHO & the government of the United States. We discuss being personally attacked, vaccinating kids & suppressing antibodies. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Support here:⁠ https://www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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and all other things, automotive for over 110 years. He worked for the government of Canada as an epidemiologist for 12 years. Has expertise in teaching of epidemiology, evidence-based medicine, and research methodology. He's a former assistant professor at McMaster University in evidence-based medicine, a former COVID-pandemic evidence synthesis advisor to the WHO, a former senior advisor to COVID pandemic policy in the U.S. government, health and human services. He was employed from 2017 to 2019 at the Infectious Disease Society of America

as the Evidence Synthesis Meta Analysis Systematic Review Guideline Development, Lead and Trainer. He is currently an independent academic scientist and a COVID-19 consultant researcher. I'm talking about Dr. Paul Alexander. So buckle up because here we go. This is Dr. Paul Alexander and welcome to the Sean Newman broadcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Dr. Paul Alexander. First off, sir, thanks for hopping on.

Thank you very much for having me. It's a pleasure to be on your show. Thank you. Now, Paul, the way we start this off always, as we've been moving through this, is there's going to be a lot of people who don't know who Dr. Paul Alexander is, sorry, not our. And I wonder if you wouldn't mind just sharing a little bit about your backstory so people can get a feel for you. Well, I mean, I think then I've tried to just focus quickly on what does you mean to this

way, you know, this type of podcast. as COVID-related. So reality about it is that my background, let's say education first and then work, I wouldn't go into my undergraduate because that really is not important as to graduate school. So I did graduate school like master's training at York University in Canada.

I moved on to University of Toronto. I did a graduate training, master's degree in epidemiology, University of Toronto. I did a quick small program in biological warfare, Johns Hopkins, just after that. And then I went on to Oxford. I did a graduate degree in evidence-based medicine, a master's in evidence-based medicine. And I was in two minds about doing, finishing my doctorate in bioterrorism.

or evidence-based medicine. And I got accepted to Johns Hopkins under Donald Henderson, who eradicated small parks in the field of biological warfare. But I also got accepted at McMaster under Gordon-Gaac, who founded evidence-based medicine. And I did my doctorate there with him and my postdoc. In terms of work, Jimmy, into your discussion. I mean, I worked for the government of Canada for about 12 years as an epidemiologist.

I worked in various organizations such as WHO, Europe. And in June, today's 2019, mid of 2019. I was doing a position with WHO and Pan American Health in Washington, D.C. in developing a training program for law and middle income countries in just conducting basic research and all of the issues around evidence and evidence-based medicine.

Then around January, February, when COVID began to emerge in Italy and China, W.HO and Pahou asked me to change my position with them and to be actually their COVID pandemic advisor because everyone was trying to understand COVID and they needed someone to help them look at all of the data, look at all of the evidence quickly and that's my background. So that was my position. I was advising WHO, Panorican Health, everything to do with the evidence and the synthesis of

the evidence and bringing it together. And whilst doing that around a. I got contacted by the United States government, asking me to consider coming to Washington and supporting the Trump administration at Health and Human Services in pandemic response as a senior COVID advisor. So I took that opportunity and I went to Washington and I worked there until around. I think the end of September, early October. And since then, I've still been connected with COVID.

Everything to do with COVID on the U.S. side and the Canadian side. I work with different international groups. I work with. The core group that I work with is a core set of scientists and doctors where we champion early our patient treatment. That we formulate this approach. So I work with Dr. Macawla, Peter Macaula, Dr. Harvey Rich, Dr. Zlanco,

Dr. Osso, Dr. Lodapo, Dr. Robert Malone. And we basically talk and meet daily where we look at all of the sciences being published and look at all of the news conferences and we discussed COVID to remain very up to date. We also are evolving with the early treatment approach in terms of the optimal combination of medications that the clinicians are formulated and just putting it out. I'm very anti-vaccine. I'm very for vaccine. Well, actually, because of COVID and my study of the area now to understand the vaccine development process and I was very far vaccines.

All my children are. I came from a place where you vaccinate any and everything, even if you could. But COVID has taught me that there are a lot of questions. And the vaccine process is driven more by profits than benevolence for the population. It's a very staggering thing when you come to understand that, because you think that there are people running around with your best interest at heart.

And it's not so. It's about money. And these vaccines particularly, so I'm not saying no vaccines for anyone. I'm speaking about these vaccines, these COVID vaccines. They were sub-optimally developed. They have problems.

They're not effective. Well, we were saying that eight months ago, now people who've gotten double and triple and four backs, see for themselves and they're angry because they know they've been duped and they're not safe. So I'm very against the vaccines for children and that's one of the key issues

here right now. These COVID vaccines for children. I'm not talking about the other vaccines for children right now. I'm talking about the COVID vaccines for children. There's no condition. There's no data. There's no science.

There's no situation that anyone, any public health official, any vaccine, developer, CDC, NIH, Health Canada, anyone can show where children need these vaccines, period. None. In fact, these vaccines may harm children severely, and that's the battle right now. Well, Paul, I've watched from afar. I've had McCle on here multiple times and I've followed all the doctors you talk about, Zalinka, Malone, of course, Malone having his interview there with Rogan not too long ago, shook the world, so to speak. One of the things that I've admired about all of you is you've spoken against the grain from very early on, taking, I can't even imagine the amount of heat you've taken for your position.

But in researching and going back a little bit on some of the stuff that your experiences in the last two years, one of the things that I found interesting is there was a piece in the New York Times on you, and I'm sure there was more than one. But you were quoted as saying infants, kids, teens, young people, young adults, middle aged with no conditions, et cetera, have zero to little risk, which I would think by now we can all agree on. But not everybody will agree with that statement. But a lot of people are starting to agree with it. I certainly when it comes to kids agree with it.

But back then, that was a wild thing to say. How has been the last year for you? What I mean, sorry? No, just on a, to me, I've watched you speak multiple times. You're a fiery guy. And this morning, I've either caught you a little sleepy or the COVID for the two years and watch what Canada's doing right now is just, is it the start of a new year and some of the things I'm feeling from people where it's getting people a little,

just a little down. No. Well, first of all, it's actually not my first. It's my second interview for the morning. But the thing about it is that, well, I mean... So in other words, sorry to catch you off, Paul. You're getting tired of saying who you are over and over again. That's what it is. No, well, it's not that. The reality about it is this. you hit on a very important topic there because I even wrote this op-ed in Brownstone and even wrote one for EIR, where I discussed the attacks on scientific dissent and persons like myself who question the issues and raised valid questions

and we get smear and slanded in the media. So first of all, you know, I run my own website, Dr. Paul, Alexander.com. I want to say that. Dr. Paul Alexander.com. People could find everything that I write. Everything I do every day, I go to my website and I log it, day by day. So you can find like a chronology. But let me say it this way. So that was about, so let's say August to August. That's about a year and a half ago. I saw the evidence. We saw the evidence. We knew two years now the children,

young cousins were statistical zero risks. And that meant we knew that COVID was amenable to risk stratification very early on. And basically that meant that your baseline risk predicted the outcome. And we knew that a more focused age. stratified approach was optimal and you don't cart blanche shut the society down to close schools because because we had data that showed us that an elderly person was 1,000 times more at risk of death than a child. So my approach with Dr. Atlas, Dr. Batacharya, Dr. Kula, we were screaming and saying, no, stop. We were beginning to get information.

that the lockdowns were killing people. The school closures were causing suicides and children. So we were saying, you have to stop the persons who've dictated and demanded these policies and enacted these policies. First of all, didn't do any cost-benefit analysis looking at alternative causes of action. But we saw that it was not the virus.

It was the actual lockdowns and the impact of the lockdowns, were causing business owners, employees, children to harm themselves. A lot of anxiety and depression and many of them committed suicide. And the thing about it is because of my position in Trump administration, the news media would not report the facts. So we were getting on a daily basis coming up from the different states, actual data and information that little children hung themselves.

and it was devastating and President Trump knew this. So we were, when you saw him on the podium fighting with his task force and this begging the states to open up and begging the country to open schools to open then, that was because he understood the catastrophe behind the scenes. The news media had this agreement amongst them. to not publish the actual information because then it would have let the public know that Trump was informed on this and he was actually fighting to fix this that matter at that point, the lockdowns. Look, he allowed Fauci and Dave to take control of the response and it was their lockdowns. I mean, he was the CEO. So he had to go by their guidance, but they misled him.

I would argue with anyone. It was a constant subversion of Trump behind the scenes. And the guy is not a scientist. So it's like right now, you look at any political leader. Yes, they make the final decision, but they depend on people behind them who is giving them the information. And they go by that. So Trump was badly misled.

And in my case, I was in a battle with NIH behind this. scenes and CDC and Fauci because what was happening was they were going on the news media every day and every weekend and they were undercutting the White House and Trump and they were undercutting the message and when I see the message they were undercutting the actual data so we knew the data was very stable 20 months from about end of April 2020 the children was at basically no risk. So here are these people going on the shows and maintaining and calling for schools to remain close.

Fauci, books, all of these people. And me behind the scenes trying to inform them with the science and show them, look, whatever you are advocating for is against the science. So, of course, I was taking a lot of licks and heat behind the scenes. And when I made that statement, first of all, that was internal communications between me and just other people. That was not official policy statements or positions to put out. That was me expressing to other people that schools should not be closed.

Children are the lowest risk. And by taking children out of circulation, you're taking the most potent tool. of the battlefield. So it became, I was told clearly that because of my pushback on NIH and CDC and Fauci and questioning Fauci openly, they're gonna attack and smear me by leaking line by line of different emails, not the entire communication, so that and the media will create a story around it

and smear and sland them. But my statement then, people are writing, I have roughly 2,000 emails I get a D from across the world, scientists and doctors who tell me, lay people, all sorts of people call me now and they say that we want to thank you for what you said before and that you have changed your position. We can't speak because we will lose our academic appointment, we'd be fired, our license in Canada, United States.

Well, there are doctors who right now, Dr. Trossey, Dr. Phillips, Dr. Gill, etc., Dr. Hoff, Francis Christian. That's in Canada. In the United States, we have the same problem. We have doctors under a lot of pressure by their boards and stuff to yank their license because they treated patients with early treatment that saved their lives. That's the doctor's right to exercise, their clinical judgment, based on. on the best treatments to save the patient. And the truth about it is that they tell me that we can't speak, we have to be silent because you see,

you have to understand the NIH in the United States and NIAID funds all of the research across America, gives the research to other funding agencies and all of the universities, all of the hospitals. So any of these doctors or scientists, they tell me, They said, we know Fauci is wrong. We know it's been flat wrong and everything from day one, but we can't say it because I won't get my research grant this year funded. And then my salary, because a lot of these people, the public don't understand it.

Like one of my best friends at University of Toronto in Canada, he was telling me recently that this project that he's on, the research has the grant has dried up. So he might be looking for a position shortly. So, you know, the point is that you have to bring in the research funds to the university and some of it funds your position. And if there's no funding, your position basically has to go. And think about it.

How could you have Fauci who is allocating the money at the top of NIH and IAID or part of that process yet also involving the pandemic response? And you can't question it. as a scientist or a doctor because your grant will not be approved. And that has been the position. So they attacked me and smearly because I said children are at low risk, then and we know the data. There is not one healthy child.

I need to understand the statement. There is not one healthy child in the United States since the beginning of this pandemic. It's a day this died from COVID. None. Not one healthy child, period. None in Sweden, none in Germany. We have the data. So when Dr. Martin McCarrier to Johns Hopkins recently challenged the CDC with their reporting and he said, look, you know, show us the autopsy information, show us the information

so that we could verify those. You are saying that 300 children died, whatever, in America, whatever the exact. number is 400. And remember the CDC logs a pediatric as up to like 21, 21-year-old, 18-year-old, 18-year-old, not a child. But anyway, but most of those are happening on that elevated age, 17, 18, 19, so those are teenagers or young adults, or adults, but CDC for their report and logs those as children. But let's go back to it again and look at it. CDC won't give us a full accounting of the information. So McCarrie and his team looked at it and they founded all of those persons who CDC said die

were severely ill people. They wound well persons and that's the point. The point is that no one ever discounted or this thing COVID was not a problem, but we knew very stably that it is a problem for elderly persons with underlying medical condition. That has been the situation from the day one, and that is the situation still today, a mean median age of around 82,

with two or three underlying conditions. If not, age is the principal risk factor. Second behind age is age with underlying medical conditions. And then what emerged quickly was that morbid obesity emerged as a superloaded risk factor. But the point of view, viewers that to try and focus on that question is the media, etc. In Canada, particularly, didn't understand that part of my communication was leaked and they didn't understand that I was

actually talking about the science then and now it has come around. So, for example, six months ago, I said on others that the vaccines are ineffective, the vaccines don't work and the vaccines are unsafe. And people are, people who've taken the vaccines who understand that's still that now. They're probably going to have to take a foreshut

on every month because it's that bad. Moreover, when we look at the CDC data and the usual vigilant surveillance data, we see that the vaccine causes deaths one to two days post-vaccine or even, it begins

to have a tail by around the fifth to seven day. But we've analyzed it in about 85,000. to 90% of the deaths can be linked directly to the vaccine. The vaccine causes blood clots, it causes bleeding, et cetera. So look, the vaccine appears to work for some people, but it also does not work for another set of people. We should not have that situation.

We should not have a situation where I can basically predict that if three or four people go and take these shots together, one or two of them are going to have some adverse effects. And probably one could die. That should never be the situation with a lot of, vaccine never so yes i was i was devastated a year ago because again particularly by the canadian people macmaster i had tremendous debt threats by macbaster professors professors of macdmaster university where i looked i had the most vicious emails and it shocked me and it made me realize

and Canadians, let's just talk on the Canadian side. They were more interested in American politics. And most, every single person told me a simple thing. But we hate Trump so much that we think you are traitor to work for Trump. And I explained, I said, look, if Obama administration had asked me to sue, if the Biden administration, and I will full disclosure here, I have been in discussions with the FDA commissioner, Janet Woodcock, about a position in the FDA.

And I wouldn't discuss where it has gone at this point. And I don't know if I would take a position like that if they offer me. But if a proper offer is given to someone like me, it's not about politics. I would serve the administration. I would serve this president. I will support this sort of liberal extreme left view and all of that. That's not me.

So but but but I keep. come to the table as a scientist and bring my skills because if at the end of the day is going to save lives and improve people's lives, I want to be part of that. But the point is, you're very right. It's a devastating for the law, not just for me, for Dr. McCullough, he lost his academic appointments. You have to move from universities simply because he's championing early treatment to save people's lives.

A lot of us have lost our income and the public doesn't understand that. Like, every, I do about eight interviews a day. I'm writing, I'm publishing. Me, Macaulah, Malone. I mean, people think we get paid. We don't get paid. And to hop in on that thought, Paul, you know, that you've said a lot here. And I think where you're right at here at the end, I think that's a good thing to bring up.

a lot of people truly believe that people like yourself, McCullum, Malone, Byron Bridal here in Canada, are in it. He's like you. Yeah. Are in it. Beautiful guy. Are in it for the clicks, are in it for the fame. And I'm like, well, I've experienced a very small taste of what I can imagine you've went

under in that by allowing people like yourself. on the show to talk openly, to speak your thoughts. The amount of societal pressure has been something I could not have predicted. And it is very uncomfortable. And so I think it's really good to shed a light on that Paul Alexander isn't all a sudden a millionaire because of his views. No, we don't get paid. We get ravaged.

we've lost. Look, I'll be blunt. I had two different consultancies. Both of them wrote me and one called me about one year ago when I was leaving D.C. and said, you know, we just figured out really that you work for the Trump administration and always also that you, so you support this hydroxychloroquine or this ivan and this early treatment thing, you know, we kind of uncomfortable. We don't really want to be kind of uncomfortable. We don't really want to be kind of. connected with somebody like you at this point. And they just yanked my positions. So all of a sudden you find yourself without income, without a position, and then McMaster, which every three or four years, your appointment gets comes up for renewal.

It's a seamless process as a faculty. I mean, I can share it. The process is you fill out a document after three or four years and you are because for everyone it comes up for a new one you have to just indicate whether you still want to be on staff and what areas you think you want to teach now because you were teaching some of you. I was teaching other things before what areas you want to do some research on blah blah blah and what were you doing in the last three to four years and they knew what I was doing because I said, I said,

sat down on the faculty for the admissions for the master's program, the new MPH program. So it wasn't just teaching for me. It was beyond that. It was helping the university because I like McMaster. I appreciated my time there. I met very good people there. And the research methods group there is probably the best in the world. Yeah. Well, I admire the conviction you have because it's not for the faint of heart to do what you folks are doing to speak against the masses. Even when we look around and, you know, Omicron's going through the populated, the vaccinated population, like nobody's business, right? Like, and if you go back through Fauci and, you know, certainly any Canadian you want to pick, you know, the talk of protection and ending it and blah, blah, blah, blah,

is there. I have three young kids. And so, you know, we only got a few minutes left, 10 minutes or so. So one of the things, the kids thing really is interesting to me because it was back in April this year. I had a good friend on and he talked about the suicide hotline number and I can't remember exactly the name of it. But it, they had released a thing in Canadian media talking about how, you know, the jump and calls to it and like life threatening calls. That was back in April. And now the New York Times has come out talking about the pandemic of, well, the epidemic, I guess, of mental health issues going on with young children. And I think there was this thought early on. I'll even throw myself on the grenade of kids are resilient. They don't understand what's going on. And I don't think anyone

fully understood back a year ago. But I think we should all buy. now understand this. Kids aren't resilient. Like they're soaking in everything in their formidable years of what's happening. And what's happening is we're putting a lot of anxiety and pressure on them. And I've heard you say, right at the very start, it was acted like everyone could, the death possibility, like the severe outcome of COVID was equal across board, meaning a one year old to a 90 year old all had the same possibility of COVID severe outcomes, which, We all know by now isn't even remotely close. And yet we still act like it.

We still, we, you know, Alberta right now has closed schools down. Ontario has closed schools down. Quebec's in curfew. It's like we can't seem to get off this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, um, this hamster wheel. Because, sorry. No, no. And I just, I guess the kids thing is really close to my heart. I got three young ones.

And it's why I changed the direction of this thing. Five, four, two. All healthy. Well, okay. So let me, look, look, you say we have 10 minutes. So let me just, when I speak, I always speak from the heart. I have no, this is the thing. I'm not spinning.

I have nothing to spin. When I go on Fox, when I go on these, the news people, they get back in touch with me and say, oh my God, Paul, you know, the response we got people want you to come. They like your accent and say, look, it's not my accent. You know, I speak. You know, look, how do you ask, how do you want me to say it? We were getting reports in the United States when mothers and fathers were appearing at the emergency room in different states with a child in their arms telling you, doctor, we think we might have killed a child.

The child unresponsive, broken limbs. They told the emergency over and over. That's what I was fighting for at last, because we knew the science. The news media refused to report what the actual suicides were because it would make Trump look good because he was fighting them to open up. So they had to pretend that wasn't happening.

They would say we've been laid off for a year. The wife would see my husband is beating me, and I'm beating him. And now today we beat the child. We're very sorry about the child we think is dead. And the emergency room doctor now have to fix this situation. That is where we got to. And I know that happened in Canada too.

So we knew the situation. Now, the reality about it is this. The data has been clear for 20 months. The children have a statistical zero risk of being infected. We knew that because then we were. looked at research by Potele et al that showed us that the ACE2 receptin in nostrils and nasal passage of children very limited in number so it meant children didn't have the biological the molecular capacity to be infected because the virus uses the ACE2 to gain access and in

and in young children that particular molecule has not expressed that large numbers in their nostrils nasal passage so we understood there was a reason. We also knew that children come with a pre-activated innate immune system that they come with. Your young children, the ages you just said, didn't come into this world with an immune system that is acquired and adaptive, which is what you and I have. We've gotten this from, we call immunological memory because of our exposures to pathogen across our lives. Our immune system has acquired immunity and lay down a long-lived memory. Young children don't come with that.

So they come with something we call the innate immune system that's pre-activated and ready to go that has to protect them. That innate immune system is serviced initially from their mother. And they come with it. And as time goes by, that innate immune system loses as they get older. it's prominence and it's it's almost a transition to the acquired immune system because they are now developing immunological memory. So when they get exposed a second time and a third time to pathogen, a particular virus, etc., that acquired immunity is what works now. The innate immune system, because it's very important, the people understand this, we've always spoken about natural immunity.

and that like I wrote this paper again, Dr. Paul Alexander.com, if you go to it, you would see I wrote this op-ed that I think right now it's being used in the U.S. Congress and the Senate to inform a lot of legal bills they put in forward. It's I looked at natural immunity and it's about 140 studies now to pull together to show the natural immunity is superior to vaccine immunity. There's no way. all who said that you need the vaccine because the natural immunity wouldn't stand up. That was a lie. Vaccine immunity cannot supersede natural immunity. But what the public doesn't understand and rightly so, and even I had to do deeper and deeper studies,

there's this first line of defense. It's called our first line of defense. And the innate immunity is composed of our skin, our eyelashes, the tears. But principally, the innate immunity is that neocosal layer that lines your nostrils into the back of your truth. That's not. That slimy mucousin that lines your oral cavity straight down the digestive tract. That is called your leucosal.

That's the mucosal compartment of the innate immune system. That is critical because that compartment sitting down below that slime, Our cells underneath there produces an immune response. That's the innate immune response. And it comprises innate antibodies and natural killer cells that normally will vanquish anything. So when you get up from there and you go outside, particularly if you're a child, your children, 100,000 different viruses and pathogens land in their nostrils and their mouth daily. You don't know about it.

they don't even know about it's out there. It's part of living. But their innate immune system, that deposed a layer, vanquishes it instantly. They don't even know that pathogen landed there and their innate antibodies neutralized it. They don't even move on to infection. That is why children are often asymptomatic.

They don't even get to the phase where they develop symptoms because the innate is so vicious. it destroys everything. And the point I'm getting to is this. We have some evidence that the vaccine, the antibodies produced by the vaccine, we call them the vaccinal antibodies. So that's like the IgG, etc.

It suppresses the innate antibodies. And we worry that the vaccine, if you vaccinate, if you mass vaccinate children, mass vaccinate children, You are going to suppress the innate antibodies. The vaccinal antibodies outcompetes the innate antibodies. And the reason is that the vaccinal antibodies are highly specific to the antigen, high affinity.

The innate antibodies are low specificity, low affinity, but very broad. Their job is to look at a range of pathogen that presents to children and destroy all. And that's the problem. So what we are saying is, if you vaccinate children, we are going to suppress this innate immune response that they naturally have. And they're going to be defends less than a range of pathogen. And we are going to see children presenting the emergency room with illnesses that they normally vanquished.

It's not a problem. So when we see the government in Canada mandating and forcing, and whatever. We understand that whoever's behind this, they're not understanding the immunology properly and the virology and what's true. And I'm not an immunologist. I'm heavily worked in the area now,

but I try to understand what's happening. And when you mass vaccinate, we told them six, we told them, we said, do not mass vaccinate the population now. That is why. you give the influenza vaccine, which is garbage, but separate discussion, you give the influenza vaccine at the end of summer, the beginning of fall. You never vaccinate during the season

when the pathogen is circulating. You never do that because then you will never be able to mount proper antibody immune response. You need a clean battlefield so the immune system can amount. So now we've told them if you mass vaccinate, you're going to drive barriers. We showed them. There was Delta. We showed them again. There's Omocrat. If we continue. In other words, if you want more variants to emerge, keep vaccinating. And but the danger with that so is we could actually drive the emergence of a deadly variant. See, most often 99.9% of the chance, of Mueller's ratchet and the way viruses mutate the mild version of itself, it will be a mild, highly infectious variant, non-pathological, but there's a chance just because of the copying

mechanism of genetics, we could derive a crazy lethal variant that could threat mankind, humanity, and that's a very serious issue. Virologists fear that, constantly. That is one of the greatest nightmares. This issue, the potential, but the potential of using a non-steroising vaccine like these, these do not stop transmission. You do not use a non-steroising vaccine in a mass population like this because all you're going to be doing is driving the emergence of driving natural selection to pull forward variants like what we're seeing now. And we may drive the emergence of a deadly one. So under no condition, look, no Fauci, no Theresa Tam, no Howard knew, no Trudeau,

no Biden, no Trump, nobody has come to the podium yet and prosecuted a case and made a case. as to why your five-year-old must be vaccinated. Your five-year-old has almost zero risk. If your five-year-old is healthy, if your five-year-old, you see, this is the key where people are not understanding. Healthy children, it is almost impossible. I'm using the word, I will say zero,

but I won't to cover myself. It is almost impossible to harm a five-year-old healthy child. they come with a developing body and immune system that is so rigorous and robust and versatile and elegant. They could cope with anything the environment throws at them. So leave them alone. Leave them to hell alone. Leave their immune system alone. COVID will not kill them.

COVID will not harm them. Leave them. In fact, by vaccinating them, you're damaging the immune response. and it is children who are going to help us get out of this pandemic. Just leave their immune systems alone. Let them contribute to natural immunity and herd immunity on their own. No vaccine. So your child has near zero risk.

The vaccine confers no benefit to them then. None. Yet, we know the vaccine is potentially harmful. We know of all of the teenagers. with myocytitis, et cetera. The FDA has put warnings on the vaccine vials for my arthritis, myocarditis and CVST. So the FDA even knows it's a problem. So why would you vaccinate your children?

That's the point. Knowing these things, there's no reason that. No, no. And he says, well, boy, Paul, I'm going to have to take them out of school. Because then I'll say, take them out of school. talk to the parents who want to start some homeschooling and do your own thing? Because you will run the risk

of if things go wrong. You see, none of these people have liability. Sorry to say it, but even though I worked for him, Trump said, however they did this, they absolves all of the vaccine manufacturers and everybody involved, including in Canada, from liability. And that's the problem.

Your child could die, not yours, but yours mean anybody, sorry, from this vaccine and nobody has culpability. That's wrong. Parents need to stand up and say, unless you take liability protection off the table and you have liability, just like my child, we must have a means to drag you into court and sue you and punish you if my child gets sick. Nobody has liability, and that's a criminal. situation right now. So you are asking people who have no risk to take risk, but you have no liability. Something is very wrong with that. Something is very wrong. And it's just devastating, especially these vaccine mandates when we look at the science. I published that op-ed again in Brownstone.

Looked at about 39 different studies that have been done so far that shows that there's no difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. None. Let me ask you a question. I'm taking you over time. Do you got to run, Paul? I got to. Yeah, but I have a few one minutes to ask me.

Sure. Okay. One of the big things right now is Omicrons everywhere, right? Like it is infecting everyone. So what they're doing is they're giving out free tests because they, you know, at Christmas they wanted you to test

before you went to your family Christmas. They wanted you to test before you go to the grocery store. They want you to test, test, test, test. Here's my question. If you're asymptomatic, meaning you're not sick, right? You're walking around, you're fine. Should we be testing healthy people, even if they test positive for Omicron or COVID or whatever the variant is? Should we be testing healthy people with no symptoms?

Absolutely not. It's the most ludicrous and same thing that we've done because we're using tests that are oversighted and overly sensitive. so you will get false positives. High false positives. In fact, the PCR test is running about 95% force positive once you oversighted over 30. That's number one. But number two, everybody knows that you don't mass test

asymptomatic people. You don't isolate asymptomatic people. You test people who are unwell, who there's a strong clinical suspicion that they're sick. They have this issue. You're using the test to confirm the clinical suspicion. You don't use the thing. tests you're of course blind out of the box to then categorize this person. When the test is

quality to begin with, they're asymptomatic. They're likely well. You don't test a symptom. You test unwell people with symptoms. You isolate people who have symptoms who are sick. All this mass isolation and it's just a bunch of garbage. There's no science to back it up. They're just making things up. No science. Well, then here's your final one. It's more for my brain than anything. Then again, people listen to us always say it's just for my brain and they get to come along.

But the final question that the first, it's the final question brought to you by Crude Master, showed to Heath and Tracy McDonald. They've been supporters of the podcast since the beginning, is a simple one. If you could sit down and do this with anyone right now, Paul, and pick their brain. Who would Paul Alexander want to sit and hear from? When you say pick their brain, you mean like as a leader of a country or just anybody?

I mean anybody. I mean, who would you want to hear from? It doesn't have to be COVID. I know that's, we've gotten into this rabbit hole of everything being COVID topics. I'm almost, at this point, I'm like, how do we get, like, what is the solution of getting out of this thing, right?

Is it just going to be this variant that comes through? Everybody's infected and we move on. You know, like so to me, when I say the question, I just mean, who would Paul want to sit with and try and spur on a thought or two that isn't being talked about right now? You know, I never got a question like that. I mean, look, I think the lay person,

the general person in the population is actually the most informed part of this whole equation now because they've been two years of this garbage and they've heard enough, they've read enough, I think they understand enough. They're more informed than even high-level government people. I think... Why do you say that?

Why do you say that? Why wouldn't a high-level government person, like their entire job at this point now is to try and navigate the situation? Why would they not know more than us? because and because I worked in the government in Canada and because I even worked in the government in the US, I worked at WHO, which I don't think none of those three things

are the highlights of my life or my resume. But anyway, I've had the opportunity to work with people, technocrats and bureaucrats, and most of them who are in positions are not their based on merit. And that's what the public doesn't understand. Many of them get there based on favors and who they knew.

For example, let's say like the task force in Ontario, I know many of those people on that task force, and they've told me that they brought along two or three of their friends. So if you look at the task force of 20 people, and you say, oh, my God, these are 20 most skilled people, smartest people in Ontario. They're not. They're just there because, oh, well, you asked me becoming a task force,

or how about you ask this other person too? All of a sudden, you have 20 people. And nobody's checked anybody's qualifications or whether they understand how to manage a pandemic or they understand policy, et cetera. So the reality about it is we have people in positions of power making decisions who have no idea what they're talking about,

to be quite honest with you. I mean, if you listen to Fauci, I'm not getting to his credentials as a scientist or whatever he did before. But if you look at his statements from a public health point of view since this began 20 months ago, People talk about his work at HIV, which was bad and all of it.

I don't again do all of that. I'm just talking about COVID. I can't find one statement that he's made, one, that I could square it with the science on that issue. It's always averse to the science. So it makes me understand. It's either they don't read the science. They can't understand the science if they read it.

They're not understanding it. They just don't get it or they just blind it to it because of their politics and their own personal biases. And another thing on Fauci that I found very interesting. I forget the guy who had him on his show, but he was asking Fauci, it feels to me like the public no longer follows along with what you're saying. And he was just saying if at some point you got asked to step aside, would you?

And Fauci didn't lose it, but was very firm. And that is a load of crap. I'm not stepping aside. And I was like, huh, that's an interesting. Like on one side you go, Fauci maybe has to, protect himself that way because if he says that on a show then it gets clipped in all of a sudden now he's stepping aside and you can just see how they they twisted in American politics. On the flip side you go, that's an arrogant thing to say. Do you want to save people and get people

listening if you truly believe vaccination gets us out of this? Don't you want somebody there who the people will listen to and move along with? Now the American world is and actually to be honest, the Canadian world is fast approaching what the Americans are doing, which is you listen to your side, you stay on your side, you don't switch, you never talk to the other side, et cetera. And our politicians, well, I mean, it was just this past week here that, you know, the Trudeau came out and said, the anti-vax group or anti- or the vaccine hesitant are misogynists, racist, anti-science or don't follow the science. And you go, two years into this.

I'm talking to a ton of people that are just down to earth don't want to be here. I don't want to be here. I don't know how many times I got to say that. I want to talk. Look at what's on my wall, Paul. Hockey. And I'm not saying, I'm not saying I can't go back to it. There's a lot of people wanting me just go back and talk about hockey.

And I go, I want nothing more than that. But the problem is, is we see the censorship going on. We see all these common people getting just fucking. and hammered by government, by their friends, by their family on a medical choice. And then they're told they're idiots. They don't follow the science. They don't do this. They don't do this.

And I talk to a lot of them. And I'm just like, man, you seem like a pretty normal person. Right? For yourself, for Peter McCullough, for Robert Malone, for Byron Bridal, for Francis Christian, who I got to meet this past week. Good guy. Yeah. These are people going, it's me, me, me, me, me, me.

me, me, they're going, really don't want to be here. But this is why I'm here. And what I found with Fauci, bringing it back to Fauci, which I've listened to a lot of his interviews. And I'll give the guy credit. He speaks well, in my opinion, when he's on a, people would argue with me on that. They'd say when he's given softballs. But in my opinion, when he's on an interview, he speaks well enough. But this last one I watched, I was really surprised because it was about me. Instead of just being like, you're right. If at some point the American people come to me and say, Fauci, you need to step aside. His answer should be, I'll step aside, right? But it isn't. And that's a dangerous thing, I think. But that is also the United States of America. And I've tried keeping this show as much as possible.

It's one of the things I liked about you, Paul, is you're a Canadian, right? Your heritage comes from a different spot. Your work history comes from all over the place. But I've read articles where you say you're proud to be Canadian, you're proud to come from this country. And right now in our country, I look at it and I go, man, it feels like we're heading for a dark spot, right? As much as people are starting to wake up, we still keep doing the same thing, right? Quebec, Ontario, Alberta now. I'm hoping Scott Mowen here in Saskatchewan is holding his ground, which will be extremely uncomfortable because me and you both know it.

You know it more than I do, but I certainly know it. By holding your ground, it becomes a very uncomfortable place to be. Yeah, and let me just say this on the Canadian side, you know, this group in California, the Unity Project, it's headed by this guy, Jeff Hansen. I'm part of that project now where we are really fighting in California, these mass mandates and vaccine mandates, etc. So I'm glad to be working. McCull on me and this unity with Malone, the three of us. The point I'm making with unity is this. What I've learned this.

You mentioned something about Trudeau, and I think that statement Trudeau made was devastating, and I don't think his handlers were himself understood. It's like a cockiness. He's way out of line. He's trying to tear his society apart, and let me say something here. Many people I know have taken two shots and three shots in Canada

are coming to me now and telling me they're so angry. They're livid. they know they've been sucked snuckered and had, and they're very angry when they're seeing that the vaccine is not working. And then they're saying, so what else is not true? And we've been trying to tell you a lot,

but you won't listen. But now they want to listen and they want to, they're coming over because they realize something is very wrong. And the truth of the matter is, I'll give you an example. Sorry. the Canadian government, the provincial government in Ontario, Doug Ford and they, I mean,

they have done so much to tear people apart and have neighbors snitching in each other and people, they live in like, like they've harmed each other. I think the real challenge is going to be when all of this is over and it will get over at some point. How are we going to repair the society? Because people are just torn apart now

day, the Canada that I knew when I went to, came to Canada, 1989, which I thought was the most beautiful, the bestest place ever to live and to raise a family. It's a, the last five to ten years has become a completely different situation. I have people there, the day that Canada joined the Afghan-Iraq War was the day that Canada really changed because we went from a different person. We went from a very different person. balanced, peaceful, caring kind of person. And I went, let me just give you an example, what I deal with. So you'll understand.

So I mean, talking to Canadians, I get invited across America. So right now I go and I could enter America because I could enter America. And I could enter Canada too for different reasons. And I have different status. And, you know, I have to do. my family also did different quarantines and whatever. But let me just say this. I was invited recently a unique situation, so you'll understand.

I was invited to one of the cities in Ontario, some of their police officers. I'm not going to name anything to think, but I'm just telling you, this happened about three weeks ago. Some of their police officers reached out to me and said, look, in this city, blah blah, blah, in Ontario. We are being forced all of the force to take vaccine. And I think they had like about maybe 2,000 police officers on strength there. And maybe about 400 or 500 didn't, something like that. And they said, you know, we don't want the vaccine.

And we want to get you to speak to the police chief. So I said, well, how would you do that? They said, well, we will arrange it, but would you come? And I said, well, yeah, well, I will come. So they made an arrangement and I went. And my wife went with me and one of my youngest children. And it was fascinating, you know, we parked and these police officers met me and we signed me into the building, blah, blah, blah.

And I proceeded, we went to where the police chief's office was a sat on, also waiting. So they explained to me that the police chief, you know, a very busy person, I'm going to give you audience. You have about 10, 50 minutes. And the police chief is open. He wants to hear the science. So I said, what do you mean? So nobody under knows the science.

You know, we're just being told what we have to do. And a lot of the officers are very concerned. They're scared. A lot of them are in the prime of their lives. Some of them have recovered from COVID. and they understand. I said, well, yes, you know, if you're COVID recovered, you're not a candidate for these vaccines.

You have natural immunity that will work for the rest of your life. And so I'm sitting there, and all of a sudden these other police officers came up and started to question the police officers who brought me in there, and they're having this kind of back and forth, almost an argument about how you can bring this person to talk to the chief about the vaccine. about the vaccines. And he said, well, this guy is a scientist. He's all over the news.

We want to inform the chief because we have a lot of our members here who are averse to this and we want some information. And this other police officer who was like their supervisor. And he said, no, no, no, no. I am ending this now.

You all have to leave the building. and they tossed me out. So here I was, I'm living in one side of Ontario when I'm here. I went to another side of Canada. Probably used six hours of time, but I wanted to because it's Canada and I love Canada. And I wanted to help. Here I went into a police station with police officers who were so scared. And they wanted somebody to talk to their chief.

So the chief could have more. information before they mandate this thing to everyone. And here, other police officers that get brainwashed. I'm trying to talk to them there and I'm saying, listen, allow, sit on and listen to some of the data. Let me just update you on the situation. And this is even before Omicron was showing you that the vaccine is almost basically a gut.

Vaccine does not work on Omicron, period. but they just kicked me out of the building in a nice way and I left and now I have police officers writing me routinely they've gotten to find out

those who were not even present who were like out in the society driving around they got to find out when they came back that somebody came here they're writing me saying you know thanks so much you know that I would take the time and they didn't know this had happened

and said, well, and they said, you know, we're going to keep trying and see if we could get you to come back and said, yeah, just tell me how come. There's no harm in sharing information because people want information. And that's the point. We've just been given a lot of pack of lies

and misinformation and people are just buying everything and going along with it. And had I told you, which we did, eight months ago, we said it. I said, you're not going to get one shot. They're going to tell you you need two. Then they're going to tell you need three and you're going to need four.

You're going to need masks and you're going to meet social distance. Exactly what we said is happening. I mean, for you to take three shots today and still have to wear a mask and socially distance on the university campus as an example, it should tell the people, stop. Think about what's happening around you. The vaccine just didn't work. you're not thinking you're just okay let me put on this mask why because they're trying to tell you that the vaccine doesn't even work you did that for no reason but you didn't stop to think of what are the implication and this is what i'm trying to tell people here a vaccine takes eight to 10 to 12 to 15 years to bring from conception to arm and that's generally process they took this and did it in four months How could you tell me you didn't cut corners?

They are safety issues. The thing with people, once again, I'll use myself. I remember when they talked about a vaccine and it was going to take years. And I'm like, we're going to be in this thing for years. Like, whoa, that's a, your brain can't work through that, right? So when they come up and say, we did it, this is like monumental. Can't believe the whole entire world worked on this. We got blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

By that time, you're a little bit conditioned, Paul, to be like, oh, thank God, right? We can get on with life, right? And then once you've taken it, you don't give a shit. Like, I'm being a generalist here. Like, on the most part, most people don't give a shit anymore. I took it. Okay, let's move on with life. And then you got what?

What? Oh, oh. And then they just carry on with that. And it's hard to do exactly what, if you've not gotten the shot and you've held on this long. The narrative in front of you, you're just like, but you can just see it playing out. And you're like, what the hell would I get it now? Like, it makes zero sense. If I get it now, now I got to take three or four, right? Or where does this end? Miles just get Omicron. I mean, at this point, I would say everybody, even the vaccine are like, well, we're all just going to get it. It's the

mildest form of COVID, whether or not, well, we can just go down that rabbit hole further. But it's just for a majority of people, they heard, if they were doing the research, including this guy here, you heard like maybe two years, maybe five years. They're like, oh, man, what are we going to do, lock down for five years? Oh, God. And then when it got brought out that all this amazing things and all the wording, it's very interesting to watch the wording, right? Because today, what is being said or yesterday was record cases again.

It's record cases, right? It's the fear. It's the fear. It's pushing on you. Well, go get your booster, the visual. And to me, it was all conditioning. And we're being, you know, we're just, and I can't figure out if this has been going on for the history of time, just on different subjects. And I just clued into COVID because it was kind of like, what are we doing?

Like, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And then you find people like yourself and others that you go, gee, that makes a little bit of sense. Why aren't we giving a little bit of voice to both sides to let them fight it out to us, the public? hell if I was a politician I want to sit there and listen to you guys go huh we need an answer but at the same time like I'd like to have the debate out over and over and over again so we get to an answer because by just agreeing with one side now you know Kate King was a paramedic she was just on before you and she talked about different governments in the history and did they ever get off did they ever get off the narrative. It's like, you know, and the one we always bring up right now is Nazi Germany. And I

hate doing it because I think it's extreme and I certainly don't think we're there yet, at least, and I could be wrong on that, but that's just my own thought. But she went, when did Hitler get off the narrative? Well, he didn't. He committed suicide, right? And you're like, oh, yeah. I come back to silencing one side and I just go, if I was a politician, yes, we need to have an answer at some point. but we better make damn sure that we have the debate out over and over and over again. Even if the public never sees it, we better have it internally. Because we can't silence one side. As soon as we do that, we lose their voice.

And their voice is going to hold this all accountable, vice versa, back and forth, right? I think of the great Barrington declaration is when you talk, I think there's something that even today we could adopt. The entire North America just be like, you know what, we've tried this isolating thing of healthy individuals. It hasn't really been working. Just hasn't. We're following the cycle of like peak. Oh, we're through it. Oh, no.

Another peak. Oh, we're through it. It's like, well, I mean, there's enough people talking now that just say like, chances are we're going to have another peak here. And what are we going to do? We're going to shut down schools, kids activities, make gyms non-essential again, which makes zero effing sense to me, right? Like obesity, we have this, we have this, listen, I,

back to almost the heaviest weight I've ever been. Why? Because I'm not allowed to, I'm not supposed to do recreational activities unless there's a mask on my face. And I go, I think that's assinite. I don't want to, I'm an older guy now. I don't want to skate, play hockey with a mask on my face. It makes zero sense. It makes zero. Yeah. Well, so then I just go. So what we're doing is, is we're not talking about some of the things that could help us get through this. Keep gyms open. Actually, probably give everybody, talking to about, listen, you probably need to lose 10 pounds. Probably do, because as a society, we're just heavy. Why? Because we don't, food is a plenty. Good times are here. It's been an awesome place to live.

People have got to chase their dreams. And, you know, the fast food industry in North America compared to different parts of the world is a juggernaut. And I think we can all see that for what it is. It's just, it's a big part of our economy now. So how can you shut that down? You can't. Okay, fair. Well, we can still talk about things that are affecting the population, and it just isn't COVID. There's ways to get through this. Now, I've kept you half an hour.

I really do appreciate you coming on, Paul. I really do appreciate you saying towards the end of this that you got escorted out of a Canadian police station, but they're really nice about it. I find that hilarious. That's the most- Yeah, they were nice about it, kicking me out. That's the most Canadian thing you can say right there.

They escorted me out, but it was really nice. But I appreciate you coming on and giving me a little extra time, Paul. This has been really enjoyable. I'll come again. Just let me know and I'll come again. Hopefully, maybe in the near future, over the next week with this, Omicron and all of these vaccine, we have a lot of court cases going on too.

So we're going to see how things are going to set out in next week or two. Maybe then we could do an update. I often go on these shows with Malone and McCullough and Dr. Tenenbaum from Toronto together. Sometimes we go three and four of us because it makes we get into a debate amongst ourselves too with the host. And it's very rich too. So you must think about a model like that. I don't know. Maybe you do have that.

No, you're giving me an idea. I bet you if I threw that at McCullough, he'd jump at the opportunity. The only guy I haven't had on this show has been Robert Malone at a lot. the or even tenon bomb i believe that's the name you threw out from Toronto and so in my mind for my audience the first thing that i'd love to happen is to have a one-on-one with them so that my audience can get to know them understand them and then i think a roundtable is a lovely idea and i think it would be something very

um worthwhile throw something at you guys and hear you guys argue about it well man that'd be a fun uh hour or whatever it turned into regardless now you've given me a of ideas. You're going to make my brain chew on things all day long. I appreciate it, Paul. I'm going to let you get out of here and we will have you back on. Yeah. And from here on, you know, what, Sean, any questions, you know, you have my email, you know, COVID related and stuff. Just slide me an email. If they have a question you have, even for other viewers and you want to understand something. Look, I don't pretend to be an expert. I mean, okay, I'm heavily worked in the area, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, and I have some background. But the point is that I look at yourself as likely as informed as me. So I could learn from you and you could learn from me. And this is what life is about. If you ever have something, you want to slide me an email and I'll be very, very happy to help you and to share information that could help you in your own work. Awesome. Well, I appreciate that, Paul.

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