Shaun Newman Podcast - #249 - Ken Rutherford & Tanner Applegate

Episode Date: April 4, 2022

53 days off has been long enough. Today back with Ken & Tanner who have been busy in business, politics & the community. We discuss the past year as its been 100 episodes since our last chat. COVID, mental health & a healthy dose of rabbits holes.  Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

Oh, yeah. Man, it feels good to be back. I mean, I was thinking of how in the heck do you bring back the podcast after 54 days away? How do you pull that off? I don't know. A little red hot chili to start it, maybe. Maybe that'll help. How's everybody doing?

Happy Monday. Man, it has been a long freaking time since I got to say that. And tickle your ear drums wherever you're driving. I'm walking, working out, whatever you're doing, washing the dishes. I started doing that lately. I don't know how I, you know, you're doing dishes and then you flick on a podcast. And I tell you what, the dishes fly by a heck of a lot quicker. How's everybody doing?

Like, it has been, like I say, I said 54 days. It's been 53 days since I last recorded a podcast and released it. That was February 9th. Man, that seems like a lifetime ago, doesn't it? No worries on this side. I know I left everybody kind of hanging. scratching their heads, left everybody hanging. I did not get arrested.

I did not get a DUI. I did not fall off the face of the earth, although I kind of did. At the end of the day, if you go listen to an interview I did with fans Crowe, just recently here, Friday actually, kind of get into it a bit there.

We get into a bit of today, but I just want everybody to know I'm doing great. And this podcast marks my first time as a full-time podcaster. Who, never thought I'd say that three years ago, roughly three years ago, a little over three years ago, the dream in the back of the brain might have been, hey, I wonder if I can do this full time. And I got to say, there's been a lot of nights spent at the podcast studio, and none of it ever seems to feel like, you know, work. There are ups and downs for sure.

but I didn't ever think, you know, the late nights, the early mornings, I had fun with it, and I'm having fun right now. And I tell you what, two weeks into my 53-day hiatus, I had a twitch in the old leg. I was like, okay, it's time to get back, it's time to get back. But I said April 4th, I meant it, and I'm happy I stuck to it. As you guys know, when I say I'm going to do something, I go do it. Now, the SMP presents happened while I was away. I know everybody was waiting for the audio

and I tell you what the worst thing that happened of the entire night was the audio didn't record and so I was extremely disappointed because I wanted to release it on the podcast and let everybody hear what was said that night it'll be a learning lesson as I move forward but we did do the first SMP presents

to everybody who held on in their tickets and dealt with me while I was coming back from Ottawa and all the surreal times of that and some of the hardships and everything. I just appreciate you holding on and then coming and enjoying the night. At Baker Hughes, I worked there for just shy of five years to all the boys there. It was a bittersweet day on Friday walking in and handing everything and the keys and the cards and all this and that and everything.

And some of the friendships, you know, all the friendships actually you've made over the course of five years. It was bittersweet. Obviously excited to be here and get this rolling. but, you know, a sad day almost walking out and handing everything in because you work your tail off, you know, to get where you are and then to just, you know, one day it's all gone now. I won't be, I won't lie by saying I'm not excited to be sitting in this chair full time and to see where it takes me. I'm excited that all of you have come along for the ride.

I'm excited from some of the messages. Like, guys, you've been just fantastic guys and girls, that is. and some of the messages you've sent me throughout the last, like I say, 53 days. I know that's a long hiatus. I hope I never have to do that again. But at the same time, it was good to recharge the batteries, get everything firing again,

and find that the love for podcasting. Not that it ever disappeared, but I wanted to make sure that this was the career choice I wanted. And let me tell you, I'm excited to rock and roll with you today. And we got some exciting ones coming through the week. It's going to be Monday, Wednesday, Friday. of course what we started at the start of 2022 and uh i'm looking forward to to seeing what we can

drum up for guests for you some topics and uh we'll see where it goes it's uh we talk about it again once a little bit in this episode that uh i hope never to have to stick to one subject so closely uh ever again um covid dominated our lives for two years and i know it's not gone and i certainly know some of the the laws and um mandates and everything that you're like that aren't gone but uh i think um sticking to one subject was not only hard on myself and good for myself like i needed to talk about it because everywhere i went that's all it was but i also think focusing that much uh on one subject there's so much more to life and we all know that and i want to i want to shine some light on a lot of different things but don't worry i'm

going to be the same sean i'm still the same sean and i'm going to be hopefully bringing you some of the content that all you have come to enjoy and expect out of me. We got some exciting guests firing up this week. We got some people that haven't been on in a while. They're coming back. I mean, the first one here with Ken and Tanner, they hadn't been on in 100 episodes, and we planned on doing an episode a lot sooner than that. And then, you know, just the guests just kept coming and things got away from us. And here we sit. So it was fun to sit down with them and ease back in, as I call it, easing back in to podcasting and getting to sit with them. Like I say, if you haven't listened to Vance Crow episode and you're wanting to find out a

bunch more about Ottawa, I would suggest you search for Vance Crow podcast. It's on, I believe, YouTube and Apple Podcasts, that type of thing, and you can just search Vance Crow. And you can see I did that Friday and it came out this weekend. To all my sponsors that held on, they've been fantastic and we'll get to it right now, St. Bruce, Saskatchewan. It starts with Joseph Borgoe and his team over at Borgoe Tillage and Tools. First off, Joseph Borgoe, in my hiatus,

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The other is a business owner, professor, and a former Maverick candidate. Together, they co-hosted the War on Weakness podcast. I'm talking about Tanner Applegate and Ken Rutherford. So buckle up. Here we go. Fellas, we're back. We're back. It has been 13 months since we last.

sat in this room and chatted 13 100 episodes this marks 100 episodes since we last chatted I don't remember of you two remember me talking as we left I'm saying I'm never going back to that conversation again until we go do something about it right well do you feel like you've done anything about it yeah not much just kind of sat back and took it all in okay oh boy she's been a long a long 13 months I the feels more like a few years to me, Sean, actually. That was long for everybody. What do you think, Tanner?

Yeah. It's fast and slow. I don't know. I kind of enjoyed it in hindsight now. So. You enjoyed the last year. Fuck you. I kind of did.

I didn't realize that I did. Actually, I kind of did realize I did. But we had an enemy. We had a war. We had everything mattered for, like heightened. I mean, from my world, a whole bunch of people that just followed the leader and whatever. But for me, it's a bit of a nonconformist. Kind of missed the excitement, to be honest with you.

So, and it's, I mean, it's, we got, there's more coming. Don't get me wrong. This is just, you know, this is just a little intermission. Did I mention I miss being in the seat? I did not see that answer coming from. We should probably start with that. You okay, Sean? Oh, we're rolling right now.

Well, let's, let's, uh, it's good to be back. And, uh, I actually proposed it to Sean because, uh, you, you, uh, you did a really good job of this podcast, Sean. And I'm not, I know, like the, um, these have been tough, tough times for people to come through. And, uh, I'll give you an example, which we can get into later, but I was a group I'm involved with, which we're going to get to that hosted an event up in Saskatoon, Tana, you know about this too.

Um, and invited, but whatever. No, so we invited all of our closest friends, you know, if they're outside of the 1,200 closest, right, which I think you're about 1205. I think that's a story of my life. I tried inviting Tanner to the Sampi presents. He blew me off. Stay late and a dollar short. But anyway, so we're up in Saskatoon and I, we had around 1,200 people show up.

And, uh, I asked the people, I said, you know, approximately how many people here show up hands, listen to the Sean Newman podcast. And I would say it was about half the hands, right? And that's just the random people coming, probably from the northern half of the province, I would suggest. And, you know, you talk to people. There's, there's a lot of people from small communities or any community that you gave them through your guests and through your discussions, let them know that they weren't going crazy. They weren't nuts. And I have talked to lots of people that have been missing you. And where's Sean's podcast?

Is Sean okay, right? All the rest. And I even proposed to you, Sean, why don't we just interview you? Yeah, but that isn't the Sean Newman podcast, right? So I did Vance Crowe this morning. And Vance Crow's episode will be out about me in Ottawa or whatever, you know,

whatever we talk about. Listen, I don't want the format of the show to change. For the people who haven't realized, we could clear up a couple things, sure. One, I didn't get a DUI. That was one rumor going around. Another rumor was that I was shut down by, you know, X number of things. The cops got me.

I bet thrown in jail, mugged, drugged. I don't know. Just go down the list. There's a healthy dose of rumor mill right now, which is, I guess, rightfully slow when you disappear. But the only person who shut me down was me. I just shut myself down. I tell a lot of people, I hit a point there where I just didn't think Sean Newman needed.

Everybody could see what was going on, right? Like, everybody could see firsthand it was going on. There's enough people videoing it and talking about it. It's just... You're talking about it. What's it? Ottawa. What the protest was going on.

It's just too bad. The CBC and global news and, you know, I know... Listen, if they had done their job, and I'm not saying this is the greatest thing ever but I just went in there and met the people and understood why they were there

instead of generalizing them all if they went and done their job I think it would have been a way different outcome instead they do what they do and what does it do it doesn't quiet or dampen the rage it doesn't dampen the conspiracy theories

it doesn't dampen everything it accelerates and so you know in the two months off it's been pretty much two months since I did my last podcast geez we've got a war going on in Russia and the Ukraine

You got a leadership review in Alberta. Your group has met in Saskatchewan. You got everything and anything happening all across Canada. Conservative leadership race, the dumpo tool, right? Yeah. Joseph Borgow, one of the sponsors of podcasts. I'd like to point out, I had no idea that was going to happen, right? I talked to him last December, and now he's announced he's going to run for

conservative leadership, right? Like, I mean, just in two months, so much has happened. I just unplugged from it all. I needed to recharge. You know, today marks. my first day as a full-time podcaster. And I think me and Tanner when we had coffee last week, like you joke around when I was in the jiu-jitsu gym, you know, when we were doing that. And that was our first episode, Ken, the first episode of this podcast. And I was saying that.

I mean, it's pretty hard for me to remember all of that. But to be sitting here and now it to be here is, I thought I'd be climbing the roof and excitement, but it's more like, all right, it's time to work. It's time to go. Let's get after it. Well, it's good to have you back. You, uh, just for your listeners, you know, you were, you had a full-time job. You've got kids, husband, heavily involved in the community. You don't have a husband, do you? Oh, sorry.

Did I say husband? I was just, I'm out of here, man. Sorry. Was that? This coming from Ken who went in the women's washer, man. Because wrote me into it. Sean, I'm distorting a little bit in my ears. Is that right?

Or is that just the, I think it's, I think it's just you. Okay. Is that the microphone or the headphones? Yeah, because I think you sound great. But anyways, you're a busy fellow and you're having been involved in the community. You have a lot of volunteer efforts that you've been involved in. And then let's not forget, the last couple of years have been extremely stressful. And then you're podcasting.

You weren't just putting out three or four podcasts. You know, were you doing three a week? Well, it started out in the first year, 2019, one a week, then 2020, two a week, 2021 to a week and then 2022 was going to be three a week. Yeah. In that kind of. And three a week working a full time, everything. You know, it just, yeah, it was a lot.

So then you go off to Ottawa and from what I've heard from you and from others that there's just an incredible amount of emotion there. And I've heard people call it spiritual. But you, you and then he came back, you said, you know what? You'd already put in your notice that you were going to leave your job, which is the end of March, which we just hit. and you just gave yourself a time out. In a nutshell, and now Sean is a full-time podcaster, back in business and ready to rock and roll. And no, you were not, did not have a DUI.

No, you were not picked up by the CIA. The Gestapo. You just, and that's all right. I think a lot of people, the nice thing about for myself is I'm not as public as a figure of you by even close. And, you know, there'd be lots of days where I have to give myself a time out. You know, these have been tough times where it's just, I just don't want to talk to anybody.

for three or four days. I'm exhausted. And so they were just kind of putting the rumors to bed. Sean's intact. He's happily married. And I think people have to understand like, uh, somehow I landed at the hotel where all the big players were, right? So you think of Tamara Litch being in jail right now. I was in the same, like I, I'm not sitting here saying I, I knew her on a first name basis, but at the same time, I knew exactly who she was. I believe she knew exactly who I was. And, you know, like right at the start, there's things thrown out. like, you're going to be famous, right? Like, if you stay here and do this, you're going to be famous.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I never want to be famous. I just don't want to be famous for being on a trucker convoy. And I hope that makes sense, right? Like, does that make sense? Like, I want to be good at what I do. And I really wanted to go to Ottawa. But once I got to Ottawa, it became pretty clear that after, like, day, whatever that was,

the government was going to do whatever they could to squash this. and that's a terrifying thing like to realize in the first five days like listen they're showing nobody in in parliament hill they're showing that they're a bunch of white

racist, nationalist, whatever the word they used that's what's going on misogynist, terrorist it's going to be extremist right and when you see what was going on there like in the beginning it was really cool to have so many people

with the same mindset, right? Like they've been, all they want to do is just live life. It didn't matter their vac status. I say it all the time. It wasn't all unvaccinated. Quite the opposite. There was a ton of both.

People just wanted to stop being told how to live their life and what they needed to get here or there or everywhere, right? It was destroying families. You know, like we all know how this has affected the last two years. Me and Tanner were talking.

Like, it's just, it's time to move on. Now, whether the world's going to let us move on is a different story, right? And that's how you can get back down rabbit holes. But being in Ottawa, um, was a surreal experience. And you saw the best. I didn't realize that level of humanity, uh, existed. Me and Tanner, once again, I, uh, me and Tanner sat and had coffee. I hadn't seen Tanner and I don't know how long. So I stopped in, uh, last week to have coffee with him. We sat and, of course, bullshit for way too long, or maybe not long enough. But we got

talking about good and evil. And, uh, if one exists, like the book, good and evil or the topic? The topic. Okay. If one exists, the other for sure exists. And once I was there, it just reminded me of, you know, you read the old stories of our area, right? All the settlers coming in and how they had to really rely on one another, right? And the amount of trust that that would entail, right, that some random person is walking down your road in the community and you invite them in for supper, maybe give them a place to stay and leave a candle on at night to let people know if they're lost. they can come to your house.

That's a level of trust we do not have in our society anymore. And the level of trust in Ottawa was that. And I was like blown away with, I didn't realize this existed. And to me, that right there is the best humanity has to offer. And I saw it firsthand. You can't ever put it into words.

I think some of that you just have to experience. But if that exists, chances are, as me and Tanner got discussing, the opposite exists, which means people were probably there, to do bad things. I think we'd all be in line if we didn't think that and acknowledge it. But from what I saw and everyone I saw, everyone I approached, I mean, I didn't see any of it.

Well, see, I wonder if, you know, talking to you regularly and I had other friends that were there that I talked to regularly in the trucker convoy. And, you know, it's like we have these soft statements that are, oh, everybody's good and bad. Well, that's true. but some people are rapists and do bad things to children and some people feed the homeless and put their lives on the line to rush into a burning house to save other humans. So there's very much a variance in good and evil,

you know, depending on the human. So I think to say that there was good and bad in the trucker convoy, sure, that's a soft statement. Like it's like, sure, there was a bad person there and there was a good person there. But overall, let's talk about the majority. you know, like I found it was painted as though these are bad people who are urinating on the,

on the memorial, stealing food from the homeless, lighting an apartment building on fire, what were the others, throwing garbage everywhere. I can't remember all the statements. But the, those have been disproven, you know, time and time again.

Like I think the, Andrea, what's her last name? Oh, she ran. I don't think it's her last name, but. That's her Twitter handle. That's her Twitter handle. I know you're talking about.

But she does a lot of under investigative journalism. And I think that's been proven that apartment fire is not a trucker, right? Well, I can safely say, actually, that's an interesting. I probably haven't talked enough of people who, while I was there, what they were being told. That's interesting. I know in the first day they talked about in Tifa, there was hundreds of riot police just down the way from us. That'll freak you out in a hurry if you've never. You both know this, but maybe the listener doesn't know this.

I'm not a protest, like I don't go protest things on the weekends for fun, right? I just really was moved by what the truckers were doing and wanted to see it firsthand. And then the podcast helped because I could go and I could interview some people and you kind of get that. But when you got there, you had riot police on the first night and talking about Antifa coming down and, like, you know, and listeners, the podcast and all. So I interviewed a guy about Antifa, and he talked about how they were, you know, like in different places. They would do some really bad things. I didn't see any of it.

It doesn't mean they weren't there. I'm sure they were. And I've heard some stories after I left where they definitely were there. But in my short time there, I didn't see that. One was that truckers were ramming cop cars. I was there for that. when trucks truckers were racing around the the streets trying to block off things because they heard these stories about this truck ramming a cop car and and sent everybody in a panic right like what's going on and then it turned out that actually uh as a trucker was pulling out a cop car was pulling in the trucker didn't see him he stopped and the cop car hit him just like light bumper but somehow that went from like nothing to you know the old game you played with uh whispering in the air yeah yeah where all of a sudden it was caught and pandemonium broke out for,

you know, probably three, four hours and I give credit to a ton of the people there, um, that were sitting there trying to like navigate the situation of like, um, those little situations came up every, every day,

every four hours. A new one would come, right? And they handled it with, I think a lot of like, not like, just like fortitude. How do you deal with like people trying all the time?

to mess up communications, to try and provoke. Like the amount of provocation of trying to get things like towards the end there was wild. You know, and once again, everyone, you know, you talk about the Wormel Monument, Terry Fox. In the early days, yeah, some bad things went on there. I would argue that it wasn't anyone there for the reasons I was there.

Like when you see that, for example, the photo of Terry Fox, I think there was a Canadian flag draped on his back and was there a hat put on his head? And everybody's like saying, that's too far. You've defaced Terry Fox. Well, like, what's the, this is a tactic, right, to try to re-label things and re-re find new meanings to words.

And that Terry, there's multiple photos on Terry Fox. Like the gay rights parade. Well, they put a rainbow on them and and so be it. That's not defacing them. Like that's Terry Fox is part of Canadian. Well, what happened after that was people camped all night long beside Terry Fox to make sure nothing went on. There we go. So where's that story?

Right? A hundred percent, right? And like, you know, like the first day we're there, me and Jackie talked about us all the time, the first day we're there, we're walking on the street alongside Capitol Hill or Parliament Hill. And there was a solid foot of snow and loose powdering. Like almost to the point you're like, they probably spread this last night, but so be it. Maybe they do it for every protest. I have no idea. And then there was a lady in a wheelchair who couldn't get down it.

Obviously, I had a hard time getting down it. And while somebody took obsession to that, bought a shot. shovel and one shovel turned into 13 and 13 turned into whatever it turned into and I tell you what it was a clean street there's no porta-potties there right now I've heard the argument that there was no porta-potties because then drugs start happening and bad things can happen if port-a-potties there I don't know is that true I have no idea but I'm like okay it makes sense so in the beginning where people peeing everywhere probably and then the news story got out and then what happened it cleaned itself up everybody talks about the horns oh can you imagine the horns going all night the first night they went all night and it was

unfucking real. When Quebec rolled in at like one in the morning and the guy was sitting there just playing his horn, it was unbelievable. But after like day two, day three, they were getting the message out to truckers. Guys, we don't start until, I don't know what it was, 8 a.m. I don't even know what it finished at. Maybe it was 4 p.m. Maybe it was 6 p.m. But everybody needs to sleep and no trucker can sleep through that either. Like, don't kid yourself. Like that's a lot. And so like in the beginning, a lot of the harassment that came was things you couldn't have predicted. I don't know if any of those people on that comic had you predicted what that was going to that was what was going to happen like when they started i don't think they saw the the tsunami wave that was going to

follow them and the amount of energy it was going to and so the fact that they held that together for as long as they did you know like i was saying earlier like probably the biggest mind fuck out there is how our media handled it i we talk all the time that the media is corrupt and you you're like, oh, it's a talking point. It's easy to talk about. But then you actually see it firsthand, and that's hard to bring back together, like really hard. Tanner, you were looking like, I don't know.

What did you see when I was out in Ottawa? Like, or maybe the entire trucker convoy. What did you notice? Or did you pay attention? No, I paid attention. It's exactly what, you know, I had my moments where I thought it was going to do something. And then what I like,

liking it to is um and i told you this i think i've told ken this is when i first started jiu jihitsu some dude showed up from out of town he was a fucking killer big big big strong guy

he said he was like a brown belt or something i don't know but either way he was high level and i was young or well younger i guess but not as versed in it but basically what happened was everything from the instant that he knew he was better than me, everything I did put me in more and more and more

and more and more trouble. And every time that I thought that I was doing something I was winning, I started to lose more, right? So, but at that point, you're in the fight, you can't leave. And what I watched with the trucker convoy from afar, obviously out there, was I watched a black belt completely dismember a lowly. level blue belt, low level blue belt being the truckers and a black belt being the Canadian government slash media. So nothing surprised me when Trudeau ran to the hills. That was part of the plan. When they invited everybody into town part of the plan. Like these guys are playing a game that people just don't like people are naive to the fact that there's a game being played here.

And this government is ruthless. They are savages. They're subhuman and they will do anything. And that you're starting to see it. But do you think the trucker convoy then surprised them? No. I think that they probably, Trudeau knows how much everybody hates them. You know, Hitler didn't wake up in the morning and say, man,

the rest of the world must fucking love me. You know, unless he is that sociopathic and delusion. He knows everybody hates him, but it's his agenda that's the point. It's not he's not here to win hearts and minds That's not his job. He doesn't never was we he he's an actor That's what he did before so he's been brought into stage this whole thing and No, not at no point that I think they were scared there's a couple times where you saw and you're hoping You know what I mean? They knew what they were doing right from the start everybody walked in of the trap and the the the level that you've seen the liberals just link with the

NDP the level to which they're going to use the repercussions of that trucking for the trucker convoy to basically enslave this country will be it gave them all the permission in the world to do it so but humans so don't don't you think evil's been trying to overtake good since the beginning of time for sure and good will always fight against evil since the beginning of time And I wonder if it's just not that, like the, who wrote good and evil? Beyond good and evil? Beyond good and evil.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's hear you say it. Let's hear you say it. But the, the, Fred. Oh, I thought you were joking. No, no, I didn't. It was a true.

It was just, I thought you were going to come in and say some. But is that sometimes I find we talk about these powerful forces and the world economic forum and the globalists. And it's just, it's just a slow decline. and eventually we all die. Well, people have been vying for power forever. There's always been bad people that want to do bad things for their own self-game. But once in all these humans come together

and say our backs up against the wall, looks like we should unite and go back and push back. So I wonder if we are, could they have underestimated the truckers? Is it like there's when people come to get, the French Revolution, right? That was like, but you need a boat. 30 trucker convoys to make a revolution happen.

But maybe it's coming. Like these are just maybe. Well, it is coming 100%. This is like when you talk about good and evil, Sean and I talked about this. Good and evil is a lot of times environmental and I don't mean like climate change fucking environment. I mean like like but I mean you know collective good will be contagious and you've seen it

when you were out there. I'm sure Sean. Right. Where you know there's a collection of of. good trying to be free trying to be now freedom too is a funny one because that's a new concept to humans like you know this whole freedom and democracy thing's pretty new um but you you know you gain momentum through it if evil has one thing it does well that's stifle the will of good you know what i mean and evil is it's very in my this is my opinion might be completely wrong but

in the Bible, you know, is the devil's always not seen as the devil. He's a shapeshifter type idea or whatever, right? And that's what you've seen down there as you see the smoke screens and all this stuff. So yeah, good, this evil regime that's taking over was due because we haven't had it for a while. It's going to take over. And then we're going to have to kill it to get our freedoms back. Now, does that happen in a year? Does that happen in 10 years?

Does that happen in 100 years? We don't know. But it's this good and evil constantly. The yin-yang. Every fucking TV show we've ever watched has predicted this. Every cartoons we've ever watched is predicted this. Everything always, every book that's ever been written predicts this. It's just when what happens, we're like, holy shit, where did this come from?

It's like, this is humanity, man. This is what we do. No, you see the bad side. let's call the bad group that want to come and have globalism and World Economic Forum. Control. I mean, is what it is. It's just control. Sure.

Let's call it control. Are they getting more powerful? Sure. But I've got to say the number of people that I talk to who are just everyday citizens, you know, these aren't high-end politicians, high-end lawyers, just average people that are saying, well, me. Turns out the media might not have been telling me the truth all my life. right it turns out they might have been only telling me half truth so I'm I I got to say I find a lot of people are well the common term is waking up to say huh

maybe CBC's been if they were lying about that because for all of us a lot of us from these provinces from these rural areas we had friends cousins neighbors in that in that truck convoy you know these weren't we weren't watching this from a you know the half a planet away the convoys drove through our communities we seen them with our own eyes and we had friends there that we talk to, a lot of us. And it's like, huh, well, I'd talk to Sean, and then I'd watch the news at night, or I'd talk to, we'll get it to, the lawyers, friends with the lawyers that were with the convoy. You saw it with the cops there.

I, I've mentioned before that, um, the first day I was there, I, all the cops had their arms crossed and were wearing almost full bell of clavas or masks, right? And they were very much standoffish. And even one of the cops that I talked to,

he said, yeah, you know, it's always a new protest, whatever. Out of the group of, I don't know what it was, 50, 100 cops, whatever it is, they all went home that night. And how many of them flicked on the news? Didn't have to be 100% of it? Let's just do five did.

All it took was five, because all it took is me watching the news once. And I went, what the? And so then they would go and talk, and they'd talk about all these nasty things they're doing, and the cops would come back and look around, and all you see is people smiling and kids and handing out food and just being the nicest human beings under the sun. Yes, breaking every law right now.

Sure, not wearing masks. You know, restaurants not abiding by the QR code at the time, right? Like, sure, that way, sure. But other than that, like, you know, right at the start, they had three semis abreast on every road, so you could not move downtown. It was a gridlock. Cops walked in and said,

guys, if somebody gets hurt right now, this is on you. What did the semi-truck drivers do? within like 20 minutes like that middle lane open to everyone so you could drive around anywhere you could walk around anywhere cops could get wherever they want emergency services could get to everyone on now bring it back to the cops as they're watching this so day one two cops look then they come back and they talk to their best friend on the force and go man you should see what the news is saying like this is pretty crazy and so then the next night maybe three more ago and by day four they were smiling they were taking selfies they were friendly they were

high five and they were joking because there was nothing to be nervous about. So the truckers were friendly with the police. The police were friendly with the truckers. And then what they'd do? They'd rotate them all out and it'd start all over again. And by the end we saw what they did, right? Like it wasn't Ottawa

police that were trampling all the people and pushing them all back. Like you had I didn't realize, I was like I always wondering like, how can you be a cop and push against people who were just standing there? No, don't get me wrong. By the time I left, I saw a little more disagreeable.

out of the truckers. And what I mean by that is I started to see like when you sit around that long, I started to see a little more drinking. And when you start adding in drinking, you can have a couple of oopses in there, guaranteed. But one of the things is by rotating the cops in and out all the time, by day four, they were friendly because nothing bad was going to happen. I remember talking to one cop, and he'd been yelled at by a guy calling him everything on his son. And he'd said, listen, if that's the worst thing, he's like, listen, we've done a lot of protests, like riot patrol kind of thing. He goes, this is, this is like night and day. And I mean, you had everybody, you talk about contagious. Like, a group of people started at 1.30 in the

morning were going and picking up garbage in the middle of the night. I was like, oh, that's really cool. And that spread like wildfire. So pretty much as soon as people saw and heard that story, then they started picking up garbage. Then there was garbage bags on every light pole because there's no garbage bins for all the garbage downtown either, right? So then what did the truckers do? And what did all the people coming to? what the truckers do. They started clean the streets. They started doing laundry.

They started inviting truckers in for a shower, giving them a hot meal. Then family started coming. And it just, I don't know. It renewed my, I hear what Tanner's saying, sort of dive us off a different thing. Like, the last time we talked, 100 episodes ago,

Tanner said, basically stop trying to stop this. Stop trying to stop what's going to happen. Start with parents. Like a tsunami wave coming. And when I think back on that, I go, yeah, you're probably right. But at the same time, I go, I don't know how you predicted the truckers doing what they did. And the other thing it did for me is it really gave me faith that they're like, there's humanity. Like, I've never seen that level of humanity.

And that's no knock on anyone from our community at all. It's just like, man, they tell stories about what happened in Ottawa, right? That becomes a book someday. And our media is trying to write it off as like these crazy people or this or that And people who don't understand and just watch CBC or saying they were out, you know, shitting on the war memorial. It's like, come on. They had war veterans there protecting the damn thing by the end, right? Like, you think that's what really was going on there?

No. They did one of the signatories to the charter rates and freedoms there. Right. An MP there, Ronnie Hillary, who's just been charged. So going back to you, I think they have. the upper hand and we're starting to see that they're willing to do whatever whatever and so when we haven't seen what they're willing right yet but people are starting to understand that oh they're willing to do like ken's right when whether people love or hate me when i go people still understand from

this community right here that i didn't go there to uh i don't know destroy a city i went there because i wanted to see what it was about and I wanted to report on some of it. And so when they started calling them everything under the sun, you're like, but I at least know one person there who isn't crazy. And he went there for mostly the right reasons. And I listened to him up until he went silent. And he wasn't going, you know, they weren't doing it. And something's off there.

And that spread. I really believe that spread a lot in communities because I wasn't the only one that did that. There's how many thousands of people that left from their communities for reasons of like I lost my job I don't want my kids to have this future I blah blah blah blah blah and then the CBC and and I rag on the CBC hard because like there are national news they didn't recover shit well they're a government funded I tell you why so everybody watched that and for me I go at least people are starting to pay attention now does that push anything against I don't know I don't know I was trying to figure out this

not that any of us have the answer in here, but Premier Kenny and Alberta has a leadership review. What was the last time a Premier had a leadership review? That's a good question. We've come from unstable times, recent times, to a lot of instability, haven't we? Like, everything's kind of tipsy-turvy right now on the world stage. Can we just boil it down for a bit, though?

Can I back up one step? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. is I was kind of think about this, preparing for this today, is that why did those truckers, what did they do what they did? Because a lot of people were like, oh, they were, they were this, they were that, they were exactly what Justin Trudeau called them, a misogynist, terrorist. What were the other names? Nottsies.

Yeah, something on those lines. One to fight. And you know we've watched. Come on, man. That's the easy one. Hey. Nothing like the guy that's acting like a Nazi calling people. It's kind of like when you're a play at a lot of.

hockey and you're 17, it's like, F you, no F you, no F you. It's like, that's cheap. That's what you got. That's what you got, eh? It's like, oh, you're a Nazi. No, you're a Nazi. No, no, you're Nazi. But the, no, let's think about this. These are blue collar hardworking people that were frustrated. And why were they frustrated? Because their employment was being harmed. And everybody comes out with the cheap wall, well, then that's, what's the, I'm so saying the statement, but they could have just went and got vaccinated and then they don't have a problem anymore, right? Because decisions have consequences? What's that line?

Sean, do you know that line? You know a few people got vaccinated. They learned that actually pretty good. Yeah. Decisions have consequences. But then you have a leader. What we've watched is failure and leadership on multiple levels. And I know, Tanner, you hate politics.

I think a lot of us do. Politicians. Politicians. Yeah. But let's think about this from one. Trudeau had the opportunity to try to bring our nation together. We live in the West. And the West has felt a lot of

of us in the West, at least in the rural areas, have felt isolated or harmed or alienated from the East. And I don't know about you, but I, obviously, I ran with the Maverick Party, right, who was kind of saying it's time for the West, take care of the West. And when I watched those conversations or YouTube videos or Facebook shares where you're in a restaurant and there's somebody from Quebec with a heavy French accent sitting with somebody from British Columbia and they got their arms around each other and they're supporting each other. I'm like, oh boy, do I miss the days that just love in Canada. I miss the day. of just when I seen that red and white flag cheering, you know, and maybe, maybe there's hope.

You know, it's such a rare opportunity for us. If you're a Trudeau, couldn't you, if you really cared about our citizens, you would have said, this is a time to bring us together. Not saying you're going to get a degree. There's no way everybody's going to agree on COVID. But he could have at least met with them. He could have at least not used those words. He could have at least not created stories.

But this is what Tanner talks about, right? Yeah. This is what gives, this was what. This was what gives Tanner's argument such weight is the fact he didn't. The fact that he just divided and conquered, brought in the Emergency Act, and everyone, although was, like, upset about it, it didn't, you know, off they go. Go buy yourself a rattlesnake. Go buy a rattlesnake and then try to cuddle with it in bed.

You know, when your rattlesnake doesn't act like a dog, you know, so I bought a rattlesnake. I curled up in bed with it and I was like, my first night with this rattlesnake. like motherfucker bit me on the leg and now I lost my fucking leg. It's like, why wouldn't he cuddle with me? Because it's a fucking rattlesnake. So you're asking this guy to be something. You're asking him to be moral. You're asking him to be a man of integrity.

You're asking him to be all these things. He isn't. Right. We're in the West. We should never, ever, ever be blindsided by anything this piece of shit does. Yep. Like you hired, you elected something that, is hideously evil.

My confusion is in how he gets away with it over and over again. Like over and over. Yeah, the system was built by guys like him. Yeah, but there's, it's to act like there's, there's nobody there trying to hold him accountable. It just seems like, it just seems that's a part that I don't understand, right? Like, you know, once again, 100 episodes, we sat in here. talked about, you know, I listened to the thing and I'm like, man, I'll never let down

joking about Ocean Wise Blatt, right, like in his name. And then, you know, like, think about those things. They're crazy though. Just remind us what that was. Well, Ocean Wise Blat was the one who got arrested on Calgary. W.HL hockey player. Yeah, gets arrested on an outdoor rink because nobody was supposed to be getting together, right? And you think back on that and you think to where we are now and all the things we know and you're like, that is wild. City of Calgary paid tax dollars to go throw sand on the outdoor rinks so the kids couldn't skate outdoors. Right.

To help people. Think about that. Right. Nikki Mathis and Rebecca Dix were a couple of the ladies that were stuck in the quarantine hotels. And that is not a story that hasn't been retold by thousands of Canadians coming back to Canada and then being stuck in these hotels with plastic everywhere. And like, that is wild. Daniel Smith, who was just at the SMP Presents, she was on 630, Chad, right?

And of course, now she's no longer there because they basically, I think, started to muzzle her like you can't talk about certain. And what have we seen on all of media, right? You start talking about, I mean, my YouTube channel, we don't have to go any further than that, is gone. Like it isn't suspended, it is gone. There's no more YouTube Sean Newman podcast.

And I keep going like, you know, I'm extreme. I'm not that extreme. I'm talking about the things that are going on. And they're trying to, like, just like, no, you're not allowed to talk about this. You're certainly not allowed to talk about that. Like, that's wild. George Arwell, 1984. It's kind of, you know, we read it earlier.

A lot of people write it. And at the time, I'm trying to imagine, oh, this must have felt what it, this must be what it felt like, you know, in the Soviet Union when it was coming in. Well, now, you know, we get to live in it. You know, if there's some blessings, there's some, good things that come out of this, isn't? I know that, that statement, good, strong, good people make, strong people make good times, good times make weak people, weak people make bad times, bad times. It's actually men. Yeah. Is that it's, it's strong, or hard times create strong men. Right. Strong men

create, weak times. Or good times, great times create weak men. Who wrote that? Which definitely understand. There's, there's men and women rolls. But I think that goes for everybody. I can watch of my daughters. This is our problem, Ken. Yeah. Is we think this, we think this is up to women to fix. That's one of the biggest mistakes where men, I admit, I'm not, I'm not misogynist or whatever. But it's femininity that can be blindsided by compassion.

Like that's what women are wired to do is to be compassionate in almost kind of unconditional in a lot of ways. Men are wired to see evil and destroy it. while we don't do that anymore. We look at evil and we're like, well, maybe it's not like that. You know, he's got nice dogs. Maybe it's just a rotation through that. Well, yeah, we're going to have, here's the thing. Whatever, whatever men are left out there are going to have to step up at some point.

They're probably our sons because I don't think we're going to be around to see it. But that's who's fighting this war. We'll be men as much as you want a bunch of Amazon women to think they're going to run up and fight this war. They're not. And so if the women step up and fight this war, it'll be the first one they ever did. True. I mean, now they don't, I'm not saying the women didn't go to war because they did and they were massively, um, they're a huge part of this.

But what I'm saying is the ability to come in and do what is necessary in the face of maybe what kind of looks bad is going to be men that have to do it. If what's, so I guess my, my response that would be, uh, I agree that men and women have different strengths and weaknesses. Those are easy statements. Our family got pushed to the brink. And what I watched is both my sons and my daughters became stronger because we went through a hard time, right?

You know, two people I know that sacrifice probably the most during this last year, both win it. I'm not saying that they're not strong. We've had a good. Like we've not very many people do we know have had empty fridges over the last decade. Right? Lots of work. Lots of food.

lots of opportunities. Everybody's, when are you going to Mexico, again? Oh, I love your new holiday trailer. I never have to hear that. Right, you know, and all of a sudden, things got turned upside down. And on the trucker combo, I know it was, I'm very controversial and all the rest.

And, but like, let's, let's boil it down for a moment. Sean, you know, I'm a stats guy. Is people would say, well, the truckers, well, they just, if they, if the rules are the rules, if you don't like the rules and go do something else, you just go get your vaccination. The, the step, people was, oh, and it's understandable why we had the emergency act in place, because we're in the middle of a pandemic, didn't you know, right?

You know, and I get it. There was a point in time we didn't know, right? My wife was pregnant for the first month of the pandemic. I didn't know. Am I bringing something home that's going to kill the baby, kill her? I don't know. But, you know, as of right now, I just print these off is, as of March 21st, I followed the Alberta stats very closely, current hospitalizations.

in Alberta hospitals, number of people in ICU being hospitalized in Alberta with one or more dose of the vaccinations, very close to 70%, about 30% being unvaccinated. Okay, so that's, so we can remember the thought was, I got a quote from Scott Moe, Premier Scott Moe is that remember the first was like, well, you ought to go vaccinate because then you won't catch it. And I was like, well, okay, but you'll catch it, but at least you'll have a less chance of transmitting it, right? And then I was like, well, at least if you, even if you can catch, you can transmit, at least you won't take up a hospital bed from some, some young person that's trying to get their cancer treatment, which, you know, at some point in time,

I do believe that stats were higher for the unvaccinated to take up a hospital bed. Well, now it's pretty close to a one-to-one ratio, right? About 81% of Albertans have one or more dose, and about 70% are hospitalized. So it's almost like it's, and it's trending in the wrong direction. So now let's talk about those truckers. Oh, a number of people who have died, you know, under the age of five, they're at age 20, there's 0.1% in Alberta. So now with these truckers. With. Yeah, the with are from.

That wasn't from. We're being. That's the things we got to understand is. Well, the stats. I get shot in the head and I have a cold. Right. The stats, and again, I just print these off.

These are fresh. I followed them all through the pandemic. 92% of deaths in the last 1020 days, 92% preexisting condition. And that stayed pretty much bang on through the whole pandemic of at least one or more comorbidities they called them. So 8% had no condition. So it was a lot of the elderly and the ill.

But even now, everybody's catching it. Everybody's transmitting it and everybody's going to the hospital. Not everybody, but it's no longer, remember the pandemic of the unvaccinated? So when we say, well, the trucker, it was in the middle of pandemic. No kidding. He brought out the Emergency Measures Act. No, no. Everybody can get it.

Everybody can transmit it and everybody can take up a hospital bed. Right. It's, and the ratios are changing and not changing the right direction. So now we go, wait a minute, we can't leave the country's borders if you aren't vaccinated. Right. So now the truckers are protesting for basic fundamental human rights. Right. So were they wrong?

Right. What was it controversial? What were they supposed to, like what were they supposed to do? And in the middle of that trucker convoy, Omar, I forget his last name, our minister of transport came out in the middle of the pen. First of all, just Trudeau runs for the hills. First he said he's worried that his kid got it. Then he's worried he's got it from his kid. Then he's worried that he.

There might be some COVID bugs on his socks and he didn't have a new set of socks. So that's why he's going to stay at the cottage for another week. And then the minister transport, well, you were down there, Sean, this transport comes out, Omar and says, not only are we going to leave that in place, you can't leave the board as a trucker. We're going to put it in that we campaign to say we're going to make it between the provinces and that's coming. So we're going to just shove it down your throat, whether you like this or not. So the, uh, it was about control.

Yeah. It always was. Anyways. So you're back. You're doing better. trucker convoy wasn't all it's cracked up to be. I think the trucker convoy, I wish 38 million Canadians could

went there and saw it for themselves. I think if you, one of the things I said when I got home is like, I just like, yeah, there was some days there that were uncomfortable, but overall, I had a lot of deep conversations with myself as weird as that is to say.

I did a lot of deep thought on a lot of different, things. I've never been, I don't think I've been this confident in myself since going there. And that was partially seeing what was going on. I was partially experiencing it. It was partially sitting there and watching what the CBC was talking about and going, oh, it's one thing to sit here in little old Lloydminster and talk about how corrupt the CBC is or whatever. And, you know, it's another thing to experience it firsthand. And then have people try to be. trying tell you that how bad you were it's like were you there well no how do you know why i watched cbc that's interesting that's really fucking interesting and i don't mean that to hold it over anyone i just

think that's where we're at right now we watch a video on any of the mainstream on and then all of a sudden we think we're and i'm guilty of it just as much as anyone but when it comes to this thing in the week two weeks i was there because i followed the convoy too right so like in the the two weeks of the my entire trip that I was with the convoy. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. That is partially to do with the two years we had and how everyone, not just COVID, just how everybody treated everybody in COVID, right? And then to be in a place where everybody's high fiving and shaking hands and smiling,

dang, it's good to see people smiling again, right? How healthy has it been to see everybody no mass and just smiling and walking around and just acted normal again, right? Like, it's just, it's fantastic. So, you know, I had this deliberation when I came back. And the liberation was pretty simple. Do I do the podcast or do I not? Like total?

Yeah. Do you start it up again or just let it walk away from it? Yep. Yeah. And it wasn't, it was like, it's got check time. Do you really want to do this, right? Like, this is, you know, you worked yourself into a corner here where your backs against the wall, and that's not what I started the podcast to do. I just wanted to interview

interesting people, as everybody knows. And somewhere along the way, the world, the, the world, uh, somewhere along the way you ended up with us here. Got to start all the way from the bottom and work the way back up, Sean. Well, I mean, like, everybody knows. Back down to the miners. For the most part, everybody knows my story. Like, I started and I, I, I just wanted to interview interesting people. I wanted to shine a light on this area because I think we have a lot to offer and that area's grown to you know I think a good chunk of western Canada now but regardless there I am I'm sitting in Ottawa and I've gone silent and I'm sitting there going like how do I like what and so when I came home I really had to think about it only took two

weeks two weeks my lag was twitching I'm like it's time to get going again but I gave myself the the time off to recharge to regroup to really think on things so when I got behind this mic I was clear head and then let's go. And one of the things listeners, you know, everybody's asking, what is it going to be? Is it going to be different? Is it going to be, are you just going away from everything? It's like, no, it's going to the same bloody thing. But, oh, wait, the brother's roundtable is going to come back around and I'm going to talk some sports again because I, me and, like, I've talked to a lot of people. Part of the two years that was so tough was talking about the same bloody, and that isn't a fault of anyone, including mine. When you go to the store and you can't get

in the store because of XYZ or you can't get in a restaurant or you got to go here but you need your your your Vax pass or you can't fly over to there because you need negative COVID that's it was everywhere it was hard not to talk about it but moving forward well and everything that we talk about was put on hold like when we were saying the other day there's nothing I used to love more than to say how stupid the Ebenton Oilers some management team was right you almost got sick of that conversation because we've been saying that for 10 years.

We've been saying, well, at least, yeah. So, you know, but you started to realize, like, yeah, you couldn't even do that because they weren't playing. And if they were playing, it was stupid. It was like empty building and it looked like fucking beer league at 10.30 at night at the archie, you know, like, right? So you're right. There was, what, what were you going to talk about?

Yeah, but do you find sometimes I feel sorry for myself. I had the hardest winner in my life, this last winter. mentally and it was just dragged like so many people did well no but the what you say was it got hard to talk about one thing now I'm just imagining you know in Russia when Soviet Union was moving in right do you think they enjoyed that do they just kind of sat down and say isn't this wonderful and let's just go go go right now in Ukraine you think they want to talk about everything but the no it's going on you know it got forced on you yeah so you can kind of say I don't want to do it or All I was meaning was even in the worst of times, you still have to bring out some of the best.

This is good. Absolutely. Like this is, there was one thing that I've noticed and that is for myself, don't know anybody else. But I had a moral code, if you want to call it that. Sure. And for two years, that thing was challenged every fucking day. Every fucking day for two years. What?

What do you mean your moral code was challenging? Well, my moral code is I will take care of myself. Yeah. And you can fuck off. Yeah. And when somebody's telling me to wear a mask everywhere, I'm like, no, I'm good. And they're like, well, you can't be here. Okay, later.

Right. Or I'm going to. They look at you and say, okay, now that I'm thinking about, the rule only applies to men who are under six feet tall and under 240 pounds. And you exceed both of those. Well, that's sad. You do as you please. But you bring that up.

And it's actually a good point because a lot of times people would come to me and say, you know, can you put on a mask? And I'd be like, you know, I'm so fucking moly not. And I'd be like, okay, continue on. It's like, well, aren't you going to stand for what you believe in? Like, kick me out. You know, so you're as spineless as everybody else. Like, if you really need me to put on a mask that,

but I know your boss is telling you to do it. Yeah. But at least stand for something. But it's just these gelatinous people everywhere. So, you know, I didn't wear a mask. Wouldn't wear a mask. And I stud by that. I feel good about it.

You know, I don't think I killed millions of people because I wasn't. I feel good about that. You know, I was tested and got through the vaccine, man. Like everybody, everybody in their dog was forcing it upon you. And there's a lot of people that went and got it right away that believe it, good. I don't care. The people that didn't want to get it and got it anyway, I wouldn't want to be one of those people. That's all I'm saying is I would hate to be that person.

that got it and then six months later you didn't have to have it anymore. Well, because you sold out your goddamn soul for comfort. Yeah. You know, so that, that's, I'm glad I'm not that person. I know.

So that was the test and I feel like I passed. So I'm not, I'm not saying that all those people should go and cut themselves because they're horrible, but all I know is for me personally, I feel amazing that the same moral code that I had on day one is the same one I have on day 600 and whatever. And so for those people that took a stand, whether it was to fully support this narrative

or to fully disregard this narrative, if you stuck to your guns with the best knowledge you had available, I think you came at this, I'll say this, best two years of my life. Yeah, the, uh, by a mile. Kind of, and I know from all the conversations you've had and what we did our podcasting, Tanner, is I always think of the one-offs. And some people, like, if you had a choice between a $200,000 year job, and if you were vaccinated, you get to keep it, or if you don't want to get vaccinated, you have to take the $170,000 year job

and you wanted to keep that last 30. Well, I don't have a lot of empathy for that. Like, that's, you did it. You had choices. But we know there's a lot of people who single moms, right, and you're a nurse. and you have three kids at home and your husband's a deadbeat,

your ex-husband is a deadbeat not making the payments. And you, by the time you pay your rent, you pay your food, you pay your this and that, you don't have 50 cents left over at the end of day and to keep your job,

you had to get vaccinated. Could that, did that single mom have choices? Maybe, maybe, but the level of choice changes from person to person. Some people just want it just because I want to be able to go to the restaurant.

For sure. And some people did it to feed their children. Well, it was life and death. I'm going to disregard it. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not just. saying the excuse for everybody.

Just we got pushed our backs got pushed to the wall. And I wonder, here's what I'm struggling with is. And just to qualify that, because I know where you're going with it. Yeah. And I know how I can be. So. I know what you were going to say and then I knew what you're going to say. And I knew what I'd say.

And I knew what I'd say. And then I also. But what I can leave. But what I'm saying is, I know how I can be. Carry on. At the end of the day, it's, it's one of those things where. I'm not saying it's right. Like there was a lot of people that were the backs were against Swamp.

Yeah. All I'm saying is whether or not that happened or not, there's a lot of people out there. Yes. That are like, I, I, I, I respect myself less today than I did six months ago because of what I did. And I know that because I've talked to them. One guy told me, he's like, that was the dumbest decision I've ever made my life. Because now I can't walk up the stairs without fucking panting and just about passing out. And I've also talked to people that stuck it out.

And they're just like, man, I'm so glad I didn't do it. So there's your two. You know what I mean? But then there is people. Like I said, like my girlfriend, luckily, single mom I could talk about, quit her job. Quit a very lucrative, prestigious job. I said, fuck you and went to a different job that didn't require it. Here's my, I think, no matter who you are and no matter what choice.

you made, you did the best with what you had. And I think that's how, I think that's how we move on from here, right? Do you think, I don't, do you think, repeat that same? I don't know if that's true. No matter who you are. You think I were to get the best they could? For their situation, yes. Scott Moe?

No, no. No, no, no. Let me stop here. You're jumping on my. Yeah, I'm doing my. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm just like, there's some people that I, I don't, I'm, I'm, forgiveness. I'm going to have tough. Yeah, yeah. No, no, but here. He's speaking more of the. But let me finish here. I think for the common person, anyone who did whatever they did, doesn't matter.

You got vaccine, you didn't get vaccine, you held out for until they... I'm sorry, I understand. Then they did the best of it they could. Whatever you did is your choice. I got to the point with my company where they put out, you know, you have to be vaccinated by this point. I felt that pressure. That pressure was unbearable. Like it was that was terrible

I hope we never put anyone ever in that box again So for people who Bent to that pressure Man don't beat yourself up That that was horrendous Here's what I do not agree with Trying to push your ideas on anyone else And that's where our politicians were

Ruthless It's where a lot of our population was ruthless Like get this or you can't come home Like that's destroyed families That's what destroyed communities Businesses jobs like everything That's what the two years was so hard about You know one of the things I saw

And I didn't realize I was struggling with so much And I'd talk to you about this And I mentioned it in our text About what I wanted to talk about was You know mental health two years ago I didn't laugh about it I just went you know We're coddling society someone right

Like you know like we got to find a way To empower people so that you know like everything isn't a problem like you can fix this yourself you know like you're struggling with depression or uh you know anxiety or stuff like that you know like jujitsu working out running joining a team things like that getting active how now that i've fed the homeless like community involvement all those things spur on and you know me and me and once again tanner this coffee chat we should probably recorded tanner but we got talking about like how you know and actually Joe Rogan was just talking about this with one of his latest guests, right?

Like if you're angry, punching a bag or going to jiu-jitsu or lifting weights, gets that energy out. You're anxious, you know, you start running or playing hockey again, things like that. It'll get it out of your body. And for two years, what I saw, and I bring up the mental health, is like, I saw good friends really struggle. It didn't matter their choice on vaccine.

No matter what they chose, they struggled. For sure. And I got to that point, right? Like, I was a guy that went dark and everybody worried about me. Well, there was right reasons to worry. I struggled with a lot of things coming back from Ottawa. And that was a lot of mental health, right? But you didn't realize how the two years just kept snowballing and snowballing and snowballing and snowballing.

Fuck, like, we got to give everybody a little bit of a break. We do. On their choice. Whatever their choice was, good on you for doing it, right? Like, you made the best of what you could. What we can't do and what our government wants us to do is they want to. us to force our ideas on everyone and that's what chokes everybody down and what we as a population have to do is realize it's okay to have your ideas it's okay for sean to say what he wants to say

it's okay for ken it's okay for tanner it's okay for somebody it's okay for somebody to come in here and call us all idiots i'm fine with it but you can't tell me how to think that isn't how this works you can't tell me what to do with my body that's not how this works and that's where it got really difficult and so to the scott mose the premier kennies the entire leadership group the fact they wouldn't stand up for a chunk of the population. Yeah, you're right. They don't get a pass. And that's why Premier Kenny's having a leadership review. It has, you know, there's probably other things there. But fuck, you want to be the leader, you've got to stand in tough times for everyone. And that's a tough thing to do. And he didn't in spades. Nobody did. There wasn't one person

that stood for everybody. Except unless you're in the United States, like DeSantos and the lady from south the coast. Like those two people, everybody kind of gets like, like, wow. Like they really, they were a movable rock against the waves that kept crashing. Because they're still crashing. But like, we don't have any of that in Canada.

Everybody's so flippy, floppy, you know, the truckers go. And what happens? Within like two weeks, all the mandates are coming off. Well, I mean, don't get me wrong. I was happy about that. But if that's all it takes for our government to move, man, we're in trouble. I back at my statement.

Sean, I think I see where you're coming. Is that the reality of it is, is that while we're guilty of this as well, if the government fit, Justin Trudeau, the premiers fed you a piece of, of the information that they wanted to feed you.

The news media fed the piece they wanted to feed you. How you chose to react, that's on you. Right? So I get you that whether you took the vaccination or not, that's up to you. For sure. It's like,

like, well, we've been known to have the odd sip of scotch. Some people would say it's the worst thing for you. You should not be drinking an ounce alcohol. Well, I don't drink a lot, but I have a drink of scotch. Should we have societal divide over who consumes alcohol or not? And should we hate each other and refuse to speak each other? And if you see somebody having a beer, kick them out of your home and don't let your kids hang out at their house.

No, that's insane. But that's what happened. And to people who reacted that way, like I never once yelled at anybody or their choice. I never once told you're not welcome my house or welcome my house because of your choice, not once. Something I stayed in my mind is I have to remember how I treat, how I talk to people five years from now when this, when everybody's on to the next problem, Ukraine, Russia, or, uh, Will Smith slapping somebody. That's the, oh my God. These are lasting about seven days now each, right? But anyways, I'm like, at some point in time we come out of this and you got to

remember how you treated people, right? And I, and we've all had this experience where, like, I've coached 18 years. I think it is behind a hockey bench. I didn't coach us here. There's people who's kids I coached who I helped give a lot of time to who would not talk to you if you weren't wearing your mask properly at the rink you know and so something I'm struggling with and gentlemen I'm opposed this to you is part of me is like well Sean I'm with you like you know I mean I did bite for breakfast for you I have coached every year if there's a fundraiser or something in the community I mean we're there and people turned on us because your mask

wasn't up over your nose right and how do you forget that. How do you forgive that? No, no. And then here's what I'm wrestling with. I don't know. Bible would say different, right? It'll well, here's Andre, my buddy, the lawyer, which we'll get to. He says, yes, you have to forgive. You have to forgive. But there's also justice. Right. So, so it's not like you're just forgive and forget, you know, like that you're not supposed to be stupid. But here's where I'm wrestling is that I'm a little bit leery to go out into crowds now. Like I've, I've been, I'm not looking for sympathy here. but I've been mentally damaged where I'm like,

I don't know who I can trust anymore. Like who will turn on me, right? I know you won't. I know you won't. But who will throw my family over the bridge because I don't watch a certain TV program. I don't vote a certain way or I don't. What's next coming down the pipeline?

And if you turn that easy because you demanded that somebody did, we've just looked at the stats. Scared. Everybody catches it. Everybody spreads it. Everybody has pretty much an equal chance from the hospital. So, so we, and we knew the studies were out there.

But people chose to follow CNN. and chose to destroy their relationships, destroy their communities, destroy their own families. There's parents that say, if you're a kid that's not a vaccine, you can't come in your house. There's husbands and wives that have split over this. You made your bed, right? And now it's time to, you know, earn the crop that you sold.

Now, but let me throw this, do you want if I just finish your time? Yeah, no, and then I, yeah, yeah, for sure. But then when I go up to a 50,000 foot view, I'm like, we're weaker apart. And just because people got caught up and hating their neighbor over this and destroyed our own communities, that's not what's going to take us out. You know, whether I'm vaccinated or you're not vaccinated, you chose to get triple vaccinate, you're double, I'm none, or we're all, whatever.

It doesn't matter. It's personal choice. That's freedom. But what's coming down the pipeline is the world economic forum, universal basic income, right? This is coming. And so true leadership will find a way to bring those people back together. So I'm struggling with how do I forgive and say, folks, Listen, I've got 18 knives in my back right now,

but the problem is the tank that's coming over the hill that's going to put it between my eyes and wipe out my entire family and yours, I'm willing to forget you put the knives in my back because we need to focus on the tank. We're being distracted. Mark Carney, right? Governor, the banker for with Bank of Canada was also Bank of England. Trustee on the World Economic Forum.

Christia Freeland, right? A trustee on the World Economic Forum. Claude Schwab bragged, what would it be, maybe a month ago. He's saying that over half of the liberal cabinet that's sitting right now came through his young leaders program with the World Economic Forum. Right. Who just merged with the liberals. So now, folks, what we need to do is we need to say this is part of the plan.

I'm trying to, I got to get over my something and forgive and say, I'm willing to forget about the knives. We need to worry about the tank that's coming over and we need each other to do that. We need to do it fast. Well, you don't have to invite everyone over your house for tea and biscuits camp. Yeah, how do we do that?

It's simple. Like, lots of people, even though they, they, it's just like Tanner said it the first time. It's just fear and people react. Like, fear is tough. It goes both ways. What you just talked about is going to make a ton of people, holy shit.

Like, that's fearful. The thing is, if you're sitting in... Which part? Which part is fearful? World economic form. Tanks rolling in. That's... You should be aware, but don't be scared. Well, by wrong? Am I silent? No, I know, but all I'm saying is, is

like, we have to, as a population, find a way to come back together. Because, in my opinion, together, United, none of this works. Like, none of it, because we can all talk. And even if we don't agree with each other on everything, for the most part, lots of things are going to make sense and we're going to be able to talk through things.

and whatever. But we've lost discourse. Like we don't have people talking enough anymore. It's, it's changing, but that's one of the things. And as long as they, you know, play the game of look at the Shriding Object while they do things over here and nobody's talking about it, yeah, bad things are going to happen. And right now, the population is trying to heal. Everybody's trying to heal from the two years we came through, which is a lot of what you just talked about. Because there's a lot of people that aren't happy with choices they made or are trying to fix their families or trying to do a ton of different things because a lot happened in two years. Yeah.

That's a great. Oh, sorry. No. Well, that's a segue into what I was going to say is fixing it or, you know, let's say you were hoodwinked by this and in hindsight, you're like, man, you know, messing everybody, but there's probably people that like, shit, like I kind of fell for this, right? Do you think so? I think so.

Oh, guaranteed. So what I'm thinking is, or what I always says, is, you know, like, what can we do? I've always, like I said, the tsunami's coming, right? So the tsunami being this wave of leftist, socialist, globalist, you know. We have three more years of Trudeau. Yeah. Right? We don't have to go, we don't have to go any further than all you have to know is it looks like Trudeau's in power for the next three years.

We have three years of a coalition that now can pass any bill they want. That's right. That are all part of the world economic. Yes. So you look at it and you go, the next three years, no matter. what happens, you're going to have Trudeau. And I think for any listener, you don't have to go down any rabbit hole to know, well, under the leadership of Trudeau, it has not been great.

And now you have, and now he has unmitigated power for the next. Listen, no, listen, I don't think, listen, it wasn't just the West that showed up to the trucker convoy. Quebec showed up. You're right. Ontario showed up. The Maritime showed up. There's people all across the world that showed up to that.

Because they're, they're like, this has not been a fun two years. And we got three more years of Justin Trudeau, which, and if we don't get people talking together, it could be longer than that. Because he didn't say, oh, in year 2025, I'm done. He was like, I can do whatever I want. Right. And one of the, you know, as a kid, I used to think, oh, man, Canada's got it right. What if you get a leader you love? Well, what if you get a leader you don't?

And now here we sit, looking down at, you know, you look at it's like, it's enough time to ensure, but we got to get people on the same page here. Otherwise, it could get ugly. And it starts with people leading themselves. Like that's where this, this is, this is what happens. What you just saw is something I've been saying for years. You know, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. It's that old age old thing, right? And what we saw was a lot of people that don't stand for anything.

And they keep getting it too. And now, I don't know how firm I am on this argument, because I'm sure you guys are a little more open-minded can probably dissect this better. But like, it's weird how, you know, 80, percent of the people or whatever say yeah 80 percent of the people bought COVID 20 didn't then they come up with the Ukraine thing well the 80 percent that bought COVID for sure buy in Ukraine because it's the same people selling it to you well now that 20 percent well 10 percent of them bought the Ukraine thing now maybe you didn't buy the COVID but guess what you're still buying the narrative sold to you

so I have this idea that every time it's like smoking if you ever try to quit some if you crush darts your whole like Then you go to try to quit smoking and you go like two or three weeks without smoking a dart and then finally you have a couple beers You like fuck it and you smoke a dart what do you do now? You smoke all of them Right so soon as you start buying lies You'll buy all of them and that's what I'm starting to see right? You think it's going the other way Well, I think and then like you brought up the Will Smith thing Right now I'm watching guys that have that were against the media lies about COVID not saying that COVID exists but there's a lot of media lies

about COVID not saying that COVID exists but there's a lot of media lies they didn't buy that right they didn't buy the Ukraine lies I'm not saying there's no war going over there I'm not saying there's bad shit happening but what you're seeing isn't what's happening or there's more there's more and then something is stupid is this fucking will Smith slapping Chris Rock there's a lot of people to believe that's real and if you watch it it's not it's 100 who gives a shit well but here's the thing I do you care about will Smith No, I give a shit on how, how gullible people have become. Because the more you keep selling little bits of your soul to this narrative of believing

whatever you're told, the easier it is for these people. And so, like, I don't, that's why it's so hard to link though, because you're like, oh, Will Smith, what the fuck's that? While you watch it, it's fake. And I can point out six reasons why it is if you go watch it. But the deal is, is we keep getting sold these absolutely assinine ideas. ideas and we keep buying them and the people every time they sell you one more and more and more and more people are buying it to the point where there's a few people left there just like what the fuck is going on and that scares me what are more people wait i want to know why do you think will smith is fake okay so when he walks up he's six feet away from chris rock chris rock braces his left foot and leans his chin into it and keeps his arms behind his head anybody that the only person that would ever do is

that somebody knows they're going to get hit. If you watch him, he picks his fit up and braces all of his weight on his left foot and moves his chin in. These guys are also, Will Smith's been paid for 25 years, hundreds of millions of dollars to hit people without actually hitting them. Right? Chris Walk then comes up and he's like, whoa, I just got smacked by Will Smith. If I went and smacked you right now, Ken, you wouldn't fucking react like that. You'd be like, what the fuck? If I went smack to you right now, if it's staged, you're going to be like, oh, Jesus, there's one for the team. Will Smith then got a little. No way he's just a comedian who's dealt with some things all his life.

No, no one. He's never been hit. He's never been hit as an actor, probably. Sure. But has he ever been hit in front of, you know, however many. That was so staged, it's not even funny. The body language of the whole thing, 100% staged. Now you've got to ask yourself why.

And now you're starting to see now. There's a whole narrative that's being attached to it. And that's how these fucking losers work. But if you watch it, go watch it in. slow motion. Chris Rock braces about eight feet out. He braces his left foot and leans into it. He knows he's getting hit. That's what I would do if I was, if I'm going to get hit. As we talked about this, I think it was Leonardo of Da Vinci. I think he lacked education. And I think a lot of his education was just spent out in nature, right? Just watching how butterfly flies and watching how,

like, and then became obviously very, very talented and very, very smart. And I'm like, what I'm I'm watching what's going on. I'm like, what kind of a competitive advantage will my children have? We just turn off everything. Forget who Will Smith is. Like, like, like, habits that you're, all your being is just thinking, designing, the last two months I've been off. The reason I ask about the Will Smith thing is the last two months, I haven't turned,

I mean, I apologize to all the listeners because I just, I just shut everything down. Didn't do anything on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. Snapchat, like just naming the thing, and I just remove myself. So the only reason I know about Will Smith and the rock is Mel's like, oh, my God, you've got to see this. And then I watch it. I'm like, holy crap. Well, that's awesome, right? Like, I didn't, I didn't, after that, I'm like, what do I care?

I just watch it. I'm not going to get into a debate. I'm not going to get into a debate online about whether, you know, like this, that. And the other thing is like, at that point, like, whatever. Yeah. Coming back into the podcast now, I'm going to have to. interact on social media a bit more because obviously that's kind of the realm of what I'm doing. But like the two months, you know, I just go back to the social dilemma.

How many times have we talked about the documentary, the social dilemma? I tell you what, you remove yourself from that. Your life gets exponentially better. It doesn't mean you to earn up to date with everything going on. But if you just stare around on what's going on, it's like, hmm. But, you know, there's a level of like removing yourself and understanding what's going on too, right? like watching the gas price go up and up and up, if you don't pay attention on someone,

you're going to go, and it goes back to your prepared tantan right? You still got to read and listen and pay attention enough to understand where we're heading to. Well, you've got to understand what the empire is going to use. Like they don't use guns and swords anymore. It's media and ideology.

So if you're somebody or finance, but they're going to eliminate that right away too to where it's just, just a social credit score or whatever. But they'll use it to put nations into compliance. Oh, for sure. But what I'm saying though is, you know. You mentioned, you mentioned, sorry, you mentioned right at the, right up the top, the women, uh, men need to fight the war.

I was actually going to question you on that because right now, you're right. Like we're not in typical, you know, when I think for war, I think of, I think of, oh, it depends on old school I want to go, but like, I think of Troy. I think of, uh, Black Hawk Down or something, right? Like I think of all these movies and all these different visuals and that's how war is fought. today's war is fought through these devices. Absolutely. Which means physical prowess goes pretty much right out the window. For sure.

No, and that's, that's true. And I've thought lots about that actually because that is the new war is, is in, um, media. The media. Yeah. Controlling, controlling what's being said to everyone. I think, and I don't mean to do this just to try to validate my own stance and because I don't want to come off of it. And I sometimes get worried that that's what I am doing. So I hope I'm not, but maybe I am.

See, there's the, the, the, the, the feminine ideology is emotional. And they at its core, at its root, right? Like a feminine, like, even a feminine male is more emotional, more empathetic, more, you know, accepting. males typically are less of that when they're more masculine I guess so women are still involved in the in the in the social media war I should say

but I think it's gonna take I think men will be the half to be the ones this is like I said this is my opinion and I don't know if I'm 100% sure or not but it'll be men that don't get caught up in the emotion of it as much. And I think that's kind of what you look at war as well, is can you, like, for example, I watch a guy talk about Navy SEALs and if women can be in the SEAL teams, right?

Because, uh, G.I. Jane or whatever, right? Which is funny because that was the whole Will Smith thing. Um, there was a lot of guys that broke it down and said like, can women, could a woman be a Navy SEAL? And every Navy SEAL said no. And they're like, whoa, she could be. is strong. They said it's not about physical strength. It's about the fact that if you build a bond between 12 men or whatever, 12 people, let's say, because say there's 12, 11 men and one woman,

the problem is, is that woman cares more basically about those other people than she does the mission or herself. So what the problem is, as soon as one guy gets hit, her job is to go save him. but as a seal team that's not your job the mission comes first so if a guy goes down you all have to keep walking without letting that bother you right this guy signed up for and they said women it's so much harder for them to detach from the fact that one of the guys just got hit and can't keep the mission in focus enough and we'll start to have issues now this is the way it was explained to me and I think it makes a lot of sense. Therefore, it just scares me that, and I'm not saying it's just women.

It's all these feminine men, too, that it's narrative, narrative, narrative, narrative. It's about the feelings, the feelings, the feelings, the feelings. And if you think about social media, it's all about how you feel. Because social media doesn't actually do anything physical to you. You know, social media doesn't reach out and rub your back and kiss you on the cheek and tell you fucking matter. Social media makes you feel something. That's what it does because it can't touch you. It's a different type of drug.

It is. Right. Dopamine and everything else. And I think that women, particularly and feminine men, love that emotion more than a more masculine man does. So I think eventually you're going to have to have masculine men step up and say, enough emotion. We need to eradicate what it is that's controlling us through these emotions.

Does that make sense? It's a lot to fucking digest. But and like I said, I'm still formulating this in my mind. So if it's a little bit fucked up, I apologize to people. I just, but I just you get into masculine feminine and I wish I had a guy like Jordan Peterson sitting beside us so he could break it down and you know in his background and everything like that. I just go when it comes to men and women some of the people I respect a ton are women.

And I think they can help solve some of the problems. A big giant problem we have is social media, is the fact you can have instant gratification. And some of the things that we used to have, to get gratification, it took more than taking a screenshot and I don't know, whatever. You know, if I took a selfie with you two in front, right? That's instant gratification. People message you. It's instant. Everything's instant.

And I see a ton of masculine men doing just that, right? Like that's... But then are they masculine? I don't know. So the only way you can be masculine. masculine is if you live in the bush and you bench press whatever and you don't talk about your feelings is that masculine i don't know i just today's world isn't where it was 20 years ago isn't where it was 50 years ago and the problems that are coming in the future and keep coming for us are these really intricate problems of like is social media going away i don't think so no they're going to just make it even more and more addictive and so like so then it comes back on the individual to um whether it's your kids whether it's yourself to be really cognizant of that, right?

Like, I got to be careful of how much screen time I have today. Yeah. And I'd love to sit here and act like that's going to disappear. But I don't think we're getting rid of social media. I just think we got to be really conscious of, you know, of how we interact with it. Because it's pretty wild how much you can get sucked in. And it's pretty wild how that really affects your emotions. When if you literally just pay attention to where you are at, you don't need.

You don't need the phone to be there with you at all times. And yet that's the way our society is going more and more. You look at the Metaverse and Facebook. I'm like, that one hurts my brain, but my kids are going to have to deal with that one because I'm not even remotely interested in putting on a set of VR goggles and being in this world. And yet, I remember playing Harvest Moon,

like so many probably others, where you get to be a farmer and you walk around and you do all these little things in your... And SimCity was another one that a lot of people liked, right? and being a character in a game for some reason is just so enjoyable, right? And you get the comfort from your house. Well, now you're going to get to live that experience in a VR headset, which I don't even want to go down. And yet, that's where we're going, whether us three like that or not, that's where we're heading.

I wonder, like, if we had our own community, like say that we were a community, the three of us here. And I think what we do is we'd say, what are some threats that could take us out, right? like an opposing tribe, right, or opposing country that could come and kill us or wipe us out or take our resources, maybe natural disasters, right? You know, like communities that are on the shoreline, you know, they might have some protection in place for tsunamis or for hurricanes or these kind of things. And I'm watching this. I'm like, I could see social media taking us out.

So I would think the three of us would go, like, if this could actually take us out, what are we going to gain from it as a community? Like if our three families were in one community, what are we going to gain for? well, we'll see some cool TikTok videos and, you know, learn a cool dance. Could you have had? But it can also take us out to where it can make it so that I hate you and you hate you and you hate you. That's the thing we got to break through. But social media isn't going away.

No, but what we could say is let's turn it off. I'd almost say like until we figure this thing out, if it can bring us to war. Or even be strong enough to handle it. Because can I just say one thing about that? You couldn't have had the pandemic and you couldn't have Ukraine. You couldn't have all these things. without social media, just wouldn't have happened because there wasn't enough evidence. It was just all given to you.

But here's the thing is the empire will always take away your weapons. So whatever they try to take away is the weapon. Does that make sense? So if, you know, and I say the empire because it's always the empire of something, right? Like it's funny how Star Wars does it. So the Romans, when they had their empire or the Russian, whatever the hell of Soviet, you know, what did they always try to do? they take away the weapons.

So it's two things you take away weapons and food. And now people are pretty easy to control or kill. They're dependent. Yeah. So sure, they're trying to take away our guns. I get it. But they're also trying to take away your voice on social media. So if they're trying to take that away.

Censorship. Yeah. That's the weapon. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because they want to have the any good king or any good, you know, tyrant wants to have all the weapons and the civilians to have. have none.

Yeah. So you, do you just turn it right off? Yeah, I guess. But it's kind of like saying this is, if I give you a sword, you know,

if you give your kid a sword even like a thousand years ago, that's the same thing as this phone nowadays, as fucking sad as that is. But your phone is your sword in a way. You just have to understand that. Right. So, but here's the thing.

What about heroin? Like, are we like, like, like, like, like it's, like,

heroin's addictive. Do we bring it and just let our kids and us just, play with it a little bit. We'll see what you can handle. See, here's this. We're in a predicament. We're in a predicament. Or do we say, you know what?

Maybe there's pluses with heroin, but, but it can also take our family. Now, so let's just no heroin. Now it's, no social media. Back in the day, here's your sword. But if you nick yourself, you die. You know what I mean? So you can't make any mistakes with that thing. But you're going to need that sword to fight the king, right?

And the his men. That's, so how do you, people just need to be strong enough to, like that's just it if you sit on your phone for 15 hours a day and do no physical activity and nothing that challenges you you're fucked yeah I just wonder like I'm just but you're gonna have to go learn some lessons outside like so I should take some heroin but be strong enough to be able to not take it for a day or two no but but what Tanner's saying is is the phone is like a lightsaber yeah right you're gonna have to understand it it is it so how would you know where they're coming

from if you don't because they're coming for you I'm just wondering yeah the Yeah, it's a complex thing to think about. And I'm like, I don't know if the algorithms that figure out your mind, can I, can my kid as a 12 year old, 14 year old, 16 year old, are you going to be able to say, you know what? I felt that trigger. I actually felt a little bit of dope. Yeah, that's the problem, right? Right. And, and, you know, the, what I'm swiping and what my eye stare at for three seconds long and that one, it already knows that I like, you know, my Instagram.

You know, it shows me a lot of volleyball, volleyball pictures and jiu jihitsu pictures. Why? I like volleyball and jitzy. Yeah. Right. And it's like, I don't know if it knows my mind. You know, this is science, really deep science. And I'm just wondering if we shouldn't turn off.

Now, going back a step is when we. But wait, just a second here. But if you, my listeners are going on absolutely, like, they must be laughing at us right now. But like if you equate the phone to a lightsaber, right? Like if you get that thing off goes your arm. Mm-hmm. Do all they train is with the sword? No, they train a bunch of different things.

I never thought I'd bring up Star Wars on here but like they don't just train with the sword they train a bunch of different ways but their most powerful weapon still is the sword and one of the things I've said with social media is like I hate it like everybody knows by now I don't love it but I'd be a fool to not admit that there's as much bad that comes from social media

there's a ton of good and you just have to be willing to use it for that and it's a giant communication thing. And one of the things that, certainly right now, our government doesn't seem to want us to do is talk about things. And the best way to get the message out is social media. The problem is that gets,

is it gets, like, constricted and twisted and turned and everything else. Sure. But when you're running for politics, Ken, do you not use social media? No, you flick on social media and watch the views go up because you need to get your message out.

You need people to understand. You raise good points. because I'm just thinking if it's a if it's somewhere I can look and I can say you know what our family can benefit from this but it could also wipe us out you know it there's risk on both sides to not using it and to using it well it's given an AK 47 to a five year old and hoping he shoots the bad guys and not you yeah in a way yeah it's like without training and understand the responsibility you don't give the three year old the sword right you wait till they're old enough to pick up the sword exactly and you teach them to use it wisely on day number one where you

use a dull sword and what a prediction is like you can see this sword you can see how What goes on up here? It's how scary this new war is. Is that the only like the things that in the mind. The things that can crush you are the things that can save you. For one, it's not called war. No. For two, they don't talk about like, you know what?

Maybe you should prepare your kid for only using it this. They don't, they don't educate anyone, right? They just give it to you and go here, here you go. Yeah. Right? Like there's a lot of big problems going on right now that our media isn't doing a good job. covering, right? Like,

and depression and mental health is a huge one. And a lot of it comes from that device. It just does. And instead of linking the two and understanding that, and I don't know, I don't even know how to solve that problem. Yeah, what if we talk about,

when you talk about depression, I looked it up, there was an article talked about as a benefits company. In early 2021, in early 2021, compared to 2020, the claims put through this benefit company were up 25% for antidepressants from 2020.

That was early in 2021, right? So you can see the mental health side of it is antidepressants. I've been wondering. There's a lot of people on antidepressants before COVID, right? And so early in 2020, they were up this one company. I can't remember the article. I've got it here. But anyways, can imagine what the level of antidepressants has done over the last couple of years, Sean? Like, it's got a, I bet you's gone through the roof. Now, let me propose this. We talk about a lot of problems. Let's talk about solutions is people got caught up. You know, whether you believed in COVID or didn't believe in COVID, believed in the vaccine, didn't believe in the vaccine. That's not the issue. It's just like my example on scotch or on a cigarette or on watching movies. Some people think

you shouldn't. Some people think you shouldn't shouldn't, but beautiful thing about a free conscience, you're allowed to make your own choices. Now, Sean, what do you think of this is if we do believe that there's a bigger problem on the horizon world economic forum Carl Schwab great reset for people that are like ads not coming here well Canadian parliament it's already past second reading universal basic income for any of your listeners look up what universal basic income is and look up Bill C2 to 3 right it's coming there that's they they want to start universal basic income which is great reset which is world economic forum which is socialism or it's all think now

if we need to unite quick as a population, okay, maybe our leaders are never shown up. Maybe the Scott Moes and the Trudeau's, they might just not have it in them to bring us back together. But that, we are responsible for ourselves and our own communities and our own relationships. And yes, has there been people that got a little nutty and said, I think that you should be banished from society

if you don't take two, three, five, 17, whatever number of shots, CNN and social media told you to say. And there was people that did some very harmful things. such as saying, you're my brother, you're my sister, you're my friend, stay away from me, stay out of my house, my, my, my kid, your kid's not a lot of my home, your kids not a lot of my hockey team, your kids not a lot in their vehicle, whatever, the heartful things. But here we are. So we have a choice. Are we stronger, stronger together in battling this, this is what's coming down the pipeline? Are we stronger together? The easy answers,

we're stronger together. And now how do we do that? Now, I was thinking about this. Let's say you two or two, my, my family members. And I went a little bit Vax crazy on my demands on you. And I said, listen, we've been friends for a long time, but get out of my life. Don't talk to me, never look at me, a pound's hand. And now things have calmed down. We can see that everybody's catching, everybody's transmitting, and everybody's going to the hospital. So now, how do we, what's the right thing for me to do?

I think, what if I showed up on your doorstep? And I said, listen, I was just scared at the time. I didn't want to lose my mom. Didn't want to lose my dad. I didn't want to lose my kid. I said some hurtful things. And I'm sorry. I got caught up.

What would you say? If I asked for forgiveness, if I kicked you out of my family or kicked you out of my house or kicked you out of my, you know, whatever you did, I fired you.

I advocated for employers to get rid of you. My social media account said, I think you should, your decisions have consequences. Would you forgive me? It's a question. I'm asking,

you know, what would you do? I, you know the answer. Do I? What would you do? Me? Yeah.

It would depend the level to which you came at me. I mean, like, you know, like if it was, you know, I'm a pretty vengeful son of a bitch. So I mean, I just go if it was sincere. Yeah. I mean, it depends. And it would depend for me on whether or not it matters. You know, like. You know, I know, Tanner, you always go to the individual.

And for some reason, I always try to. You're the collective. You're a socialist. Yeah, maybe. I'm just like, how do we come together? How do we help our community come together? We're going to come together. It's probably going to be too late,

but people will come together. Here's the thing you can't pretend to come together. We've proven this time and time and time against social media is probably the best way. We can't all pretend we believe in something. You don't believe in something until you believe in it. And unfortunately, you're only going to believe in it when it's at your back door, front door. well that that that's what happened that's why the truckers thing worked yeah enough people saw it and

believed in it you felt it you felt it in a community but we can't we can't read like we can't pretend to do that i don't think well yeah like it has to be real i actually agree with that a lot right like things had to get to the point to where they were and then the truckers had to come out of not not nowhere but nowhere and it just it was like oh there it is and all of a sudden now you you have leaving from a small community in Lloyd, I don't even know what it was, 25 trucks maybe, but it felt like there goes hope.

Okay. And you heard how many people went and followed along and we're just with it. And right now, you could talk about all these things. You can warn people about all these things, but until it's like here, I don't know. I wish our politicians were more transparent,

but then everybody laughs at me and says, well, that's not what politicians do. And I always say to that, well, then I think we need it. I think we need a different type of politician. I want leaders who actually lead and actually, you know, if they think I'm wrong, they can tell me that. That's fine. I'm never going to have a politician that agrees with me 150%.

That's impossible. They represent too many different variations of people in Lloyd, let alone Alberta and Saskatchewan and Canada, right? There's too many variations. But at the same time, I would like them to stand up for some things that are core values of Canadians. And right now I don't see any of that. Like to everybody, well, the Canadian flag doesn't mean anything because of the truckers.

What a whole load of horse shit that is. Right? Like, um, actually the first time in my life, the Canadian flag actually was, because when you see the rest of the country's flying it, you're like, okay, that's kind of cool. Well, it meant, it meant human rights. Yeah. That's what it was. It stood for something beyond the, yeah.

And the only thing I thought, you know, when I said it when I did my, uh, my previous episode where it was just me, the only thing I thought would have been an, even. bigger gesture because a ton of people went that way looking lynch trudeau or hang him and one of the cool things i thought that people probably didn't get to hear was how many people by the time they got to ottawa they're like i don't even hate trudeau man like i honestly i just i just want life back and if he just come out and meet us and i think uh one of the things i would have thought would have been even cooler than the canadian flag is if people would have pulled down the fuck trudeau signs because i don't think you can rally behind hate i think you have to you have to bring compassion

love and and I know that sounds corny and whatever but I don't think you want to rally behind hate I know that's a feeling we all had but once once we're there I think if everybody would have told those down and across country everybody would have just said it's not about Trudeau this has not like sure he's the guy at the top but he is to me he feels just as powerless as everybody else right he's being in a role yeah absolutely so to single out one guy yeah he's the guy speaking and I didn't like his actions but as a population when we come together nobody can stop us. That's what I saw out of the truckers. That gave me a ton of hope. And if people would realize that, come together, start talking to one another, open up things and they're going to try their

damned us not to make that happen, I'm sure. But that's what behooves all of us to get talking to one another again. Get, you know, like, sure, do I want to sit there and hate some people? Sure. Yep. But if that's all we're going to do, well, we're not going to get very far because somebody else is going to be looking at Ken and Ken's going to be looking at somebody else and I'm going to look at somebody else. It's like, well, I want to move on. And I want, I want, I want better future. Better future means coming together. Because when you have winners and losers, right now we're, we're, we're on the losing end, I think. And when you have that, man alive, I don't see a great future coming. But if we can find a way to bring majority, you're never going to have everybody

come together. And maybe it's too kumbaya. But if you can get majority of people coming back together, which is under, you know, simple things, like the Charter of Rights and freedoms, things like that, it doesn't have to be this all the way to the bottom. You're not going to have everyone agree on anything. But I mean, what percentage of Canada right now thinks Trudeau is a great leader? It's low. Very low. Very low.

And that goes across all creeds, all vaccination status, everything. Okay, so there's one. And Canada said it to me a long time ago. Do we believe in freedom? Well, yeah, for the most part, yeah. Do you, is it okay if I, whatever? Yeah. I think if you make it simple, we can bring people back together.

I just don't know what that looks like. You got to pick your, pick your enemy. Like if you, do you really want to fight your neighbor because they did or did not take a vaccination? Right. Yeah, but do you really want to fight a neighbor because of the way they treated you for two months? That's a question. No, no. It's a good question.

And it's hard to struggle with, you know, to heal and to forgive. But the right answer is I want to fight with my neighbor to watch for the tank coming over the hill. Now, I agree. Now, I want to, this is a new feature right now. So this is the final five brought to you by Crude Master Transport. Shut out to Heath and Tracy. Instead of it, five questions, it's the last five minutes. I thought a lot about this.

Nobody, at the end, we don't want five questions. I just want a time frame for the listener to know we got five minutes left or if my battery dies on the Zoom. One of the two is going to happen. But five minutes left to slowly wrap this up. I've really enjoyed having you guys back in. Anyways, finish off what you're saying, Tanner. Well, I was just going to, and I'll try to use up as little amount of this as possible,

but I think that we got to stop worrying about healing and brotherhood. Not brotherhood, but all these things. Here's what it is, in my opinion, anyway. You just said there's winners, losers. I think in this, there's winners and learners. Right? So the government won, the populace learned, right? We're a little bit farther ahead.

It's like, you know, if I'm going to beat Khabib Nirmagameh off in a wrestling tournament. It doesn't mean I'm going to have to win lots. It means I'm going to have to lose lots, right? You're never going to get good at something by winning. You're going to get good at something by losing and learning. We just had a high point and a low point, got kicked in the face a little bit, right? More people are aware now than ever on how this thing works, right?

But we're going to need some more losses. We're going to have to stand up again. this get kicked in the teeth stand up against it get kicked in the teeth and then eventually you're gonna get good enough because like I said they're a black belt in tyranny in politics we're a blue belt in freedom or I don't even like freedom but independence and we need to get to that level and it's only gonna take fighting these people to get there it only takes standing up for what you yeah so you're gonna have to just keep fighting against them whether your

neighbors there or not well that's not up to me to decide if my neighbor's there or not. I can't tell. Leadership can change odds. For sure, but now the leadership needs to go have those losses as well. Yeah. Like the leadership. So what I'm saying is people just got to keep fighting.

Stop worrying about the fact that like maybe this isn't coming. It is coming. So just stand against it and get used to getting kicked in the fucking head because this is how these things work. What do you think, Kim? Well, it's probably another conversation. Well, I mean, you've been going, I can't wrap it up here in three minutes to explain how hard you've been going, but you're one of the busiest men I know. You're heavily involved in the political world now. We can't get into everything, but I mean, you've been going about as hard as anyone I know for the last year.

You've learned a lot. You've met a lot of different people. You've talked a lot. You've ran a political campaign with the Maverick. Where do you sit now? I think one would be as a person trying to figure out how to forgive and heal. And either part of the problem or part of the solution. And so part of me wants to sit and feel sorry for myself and say,

I feel like our family's really been harmed by a lot of people and I'm not ready to talk. I don't want, I don't go to very many community events anymore. I stayed away from our arena for the most part this winter. And part of me kind of feel sorry for myself because our family. family was harmed or pushed to the outside or judged. And but then I'm like, but then I'm part of the problem. So then I'm like, okay, well, we have to do something. So obviously became involved behind the scenes.

It's taken a lot of time and involved with a group on a Saskatchewan that has come together and basically formed a steering committee from a group of people. There was a about 100 people, 150 people that got together in a shop in Saskatoon this winter. And these were current politicians, past politicians, large farmers. business owners, lawyers, you name it, blue color, white color. And it turns out we thought there was just a few of us in Lloyd Minster that felt this way, and that's province-wide. And we kind of kept it on the down-low, but they appointed a steering committee to go out and explore,

what do we do? How do we lead people out of this? How do we lead ourselves out of this? And the answer became, we have to become political. On this team, our couple lawyers, or the ladies that all runs one of the largest, Well, you've actually interviewed the Dean Ness, one of the largest farmers in Saskatchewan. You know, a few folks are on it. Maybe I shouldn't say names right now, but we just went out and just explore,

talk to different political parties, different people. We've got a team now. And we put on an event with about six days notice here about a week ago and zero marketing budget. And we had 1,200 people come out. People that spoke at it, Jerry Ritz, sort of MP under Stephen Harper. minister of ag, Nadine Wilson, sitting MLA with a SaaS party. She was kicked out of the SAS party due to vaccination issues. Nadine Ness spoke, Jason Dearborn, a past MLA with SAS party.

Pretty boy, Spencer votes, brought his truck in. And I think there's a lot of people that feel this way. Us three in this office, you know, sitting in this room, you think, you know, there's got to be a few hundred, a few thousand people that just want, just want peace and unity. Want our old province back a bit. And they're everywhere. We underestimated the numbers.

And then people want to get behind this. And so something's moving. Now where we've arrived that is we're not going to be it. We've just the people appointed us as a steering community. Say, what do you think we should do? And our advice to the people start your own political party. NDPs, I don't know if I don't, I don't see them leading us out of this.

Saskatchewan party that's been in power for a long, long time. are the ones that wouldn't have been easy to be a politician over this time, but at the same time, Scott Moset had some very hurtful things and has not backed off one of them and has not asked for apology or has not shown leadership to bring us back together. So it's rolling and it's going to come.

And how big is it going to be? I don't know. Might not do anything, it might lose. But basically where I'm at is you have to try. You have to try. We owe it to each other. So I mean, well, that's maybe another discussion from the time. But that's, there's a lot of,

current and a lot of conservative people that we'll call them old conservatives maybe more real conservatives that are involved with this behind the scenes as well but it's but it's a remember we you know I watched that Mark Chanzigi video it's no longer right versus left it's freedom versus authoritarianism right do you want to be ruled by the government and have them poke their nose in all your business or do you want to just be left alone and turns out there's a lot of people in Saskatchewan just want to be left alone peace unity not not just Saskatchewan there's a lot of people across the world that just want to be left alone. There's Alberta movements that are doing the exact same thing behind the scenes.

Well, I mean, geez, that's like, well, by the time this airs, it was supposed to be April 4th for the leadership review of Jason Canney, right? Yeah. We're going to do it again. My bet is there'll be three to six thousand people there. My guess is the next one. And they'll come from every end of the province. Yeah, it's moving, actually.

It gives me hope. Because you kind of started, I don't know about you folks, but I started doubting my neighbor a bit. And when you see this, you're like, oh, no, no, there's a lot of people. And these are vaccinated. I'm almost getting tired of the backs. Well, I think all of us are done with that. Let's just forgive each other, come back together, find some real leaders and put our province back together, provinces, country.

Yeah. Well, Boyd, I appreciate you doing this with me, the first one back. I hope the listener understands we're back. We're all over the place. Yeah, well, that's all right. I mean, it's been a year. It's been 100 episodes since us three sat down, right? It's pretty hard to keep one topic going when, you know, there's a lot to talk about.

But I appreciate you guys coming back and being my first one back in the saddle. It feels good to be sitting here and, you know, talking about things again because it's been two months of recharging the battery. And I feel like I'm a reference a kid's movie. I'm Wally. I've been sitting in basking in the sun. And the battery's charged and it's time to get going. I'm ready to roll and I'm looking forward to some different conversations, some different people. And to start it with you two guys that I know very well, I appreciate you guys,

good for you, Shuddy, good to have you back. Thanks, man. Hey, thanks for tuning in today, guys. Thank you, thank you, thank you for hanging around and waiting for the podcast, come back. It means a lot. I'm going to try and shake off some of the rust. It is full time now, so it's going to be, you know, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We're going to be going to be going hard.

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