Shaun Newman Podcast - #252 - Eric Payne 2.0

Episode Date: April 11, 2022

Eric is a pediatric neurologist and hops back on the podcast to discuss his time in Ottawa, AHS & court battles.  Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500  Support here:⁠ https://www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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He obtained a master's of public health from Harvard University. He spent six years as a pediatric neurology and epilepsy consultant at Mayo Clinic in Rochester and is board certified in pediatric neurology. I'm talking about Dr. Eric Payne. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Dr. Eric Payne.

So, sir, thanks for hopping back on. Thanks for having me, Sean. Appreciate it. I don't know. I was having this conversation earlier with a group of people. They said, oh, you have Eric Payne coming back on and said, yeah, what are you guys going to talk about? And I'm like, well, I feel like a whole bunch of the world, you know, masks are gone here in Alberta, Saskatchewan, QR code, you know, to get into restaurants gone. And everyone's like, including myself, it just feels normal. So you believe the world is normal again. Everything's back. The oilers are playing. They're winning. And you're kind of like, oh, here we go. things good and everything's rolling along. And I went, you know, I kind of want to check in with Eric. I want to see how things are going. I want, I want people to be updated by what you're going through. I mean, there's many, many things going on. This world never slows down. And so I thought maybe we could just start with how are things in Dr. Eric Payne's world as of today?

Yeah, things are fine. We know we're surviving. These are interesting times. Churchill's comment, you know, thank, thank God I'm alive at a time where things make a difference. That's how I'm looking at this. You know, my family has never been closer. So that's, that's important. And I'm, you know, very comfortable with the decisions that I've made to date. So, you know, from that perspective, things are, things are good. I'm no longer on contract at the children's, which I think a lot of people thought, you know, that was a situation before. So that needs. that I don't I don't I'm not a I don't have protected research time anymore and I'm going to start doing more fee for service work and you're going to start expanding into the community with a clinic so we'll see how that goes you know I'm unfortunate that I'm still going to be able to be involved with the with the hospital to some extent and you know it's it's

Despite the fact that the mandates have been completely removed from the HHS perspective and from the University of Calgary's perspective, you know, I remain compliant with with all vaccination policies. But, you know, it's it's gone down, gone down that road. I mean, I think a lot of people knew that there was a legal case. Four of us had, we're seeking an injunction on the on the vaccine mandate back in october um you know as as a result of of those restrictions being just removed um the case has been resolved and dismissed um you know to your point about things being back to normal uh you know i i think i think it definitely

you know depends on your on your angle once again i mean this is it's very much not normal to me still. You know, you despite the fact that the current MRA vaccines with respect to transmission, you don't prevent it or reduce it with respect to Omicron, anybody who's chosen to remain unvaccinated can't get onto a plane in Canada can't actually leave the country across the border, can't get onto a commercial plane rather or across the border, right? So that hasn't that hasn't left. We are still, you know while a lot of the mandates have been been lifted some of the emergency authorizations that each province filed haven't been completely lifted we're still delivering under this um you know

this inevitability almost that uh you know they're already starting to ramp up the discussion of the you know the the new omicron variant increasing numbers that they're gonna you know maybe have to go back to masking indoors and and they're and they're pushing these jabs so to me that hasn't changed we haven't had a conversation um about any the decisions that have that have taken place for the last two years. We haven't had an accurate autopsy on any of those facts, nor have we really looked at the data with respect to children as we continue to push these things on.

So what I've seen in the last couple of years, and I think you've seen this as well, you know, the news gets tight for a period of time. It gets really stressful. You can't do anything, can't do anything. And then all of a sudden things relaxed in the summertime and you know, in Alberta back to normal. Everything's going to be great.

And then a month or two later, you get, you know, it gets crushed on you again. So, you know, I've very, very much feel that we need to continue, you know, talking about the data as it exists. You know, science has never settled, let alone in the middle of the pandemic, with tools that we've never employed before, like these new genetic technologies. And I think we need to have lots of discussion and honest appreciation of what we've had, because I think we're headed down the point of, you know, doing the same mistakes that we now have evidence show that we've,

you know, caused harm in some instances. You think we're, we're heading for, for, for, For bad times then? I would not be surprised at all if within the next few months we're back to a situation. It could even be weeks. You never know. It's funny. I had I had Dan Bulford on Monday. And he spoke very similar to what you're saying right now, right?

That people need to pay attention that they're starting to put, you know, different things into the verbiage of what they're saying. Just as kind of like, ooh, there's a hint there. hand here. So he's he's very much on the side with you of where we're going. And I, I don't know, I see, I see Hinshaw being in, I don't know, I was going to say interrogated, but she's in, she's at, you know, in court, yet Vernon, you, we discussed, you know, removed from here in Alberta. And I just see more and more things like that. I see that, I see that the travel restriction as the one thing, the federal government, there's probably more than that, guaranteed there's more than that. But I look at it and I see all the lawyers starting to

sue and everything else and trying to take everybody to court. And I wonder if it just isn't a matter of time, or am I too hopeful? I'm an optimistic guy. I'm a realist, but I mean, that's the way I'm wired is to be optimistic. So, but I think at this point, you're foolish to remain purely optimistic when we've been down this road for two years. I mean, how many times you're going to get fooled to sort of realize, well, something else might be coming. I mean, the reality is, while a lot of people are feeling like things are back to normal, for 15 to 20 percent of society, it's completely not back to normal. People still lost their jobs. You know, people still can't travel, can't visit family on a commercial plane. You're, you know, you literally can't drive over the border.

So those restrictions are still in place despite the fact that the science doesn't support, hasn't supported for very long time. And, you know, one of the things, you know, that I just saw this week, what was that bill that just got passed in Ontario where, you know, they protesting in public, you know, they can, they can seize your house without any sort of time in front of court. I think I can get them that bill, but it's, it's, it's. to keep businesses open is what they're using it. But it's in response to the truckers convoy, right, with the protest there.

So they're putting in legislation right now in Ontario this week that will prohibit protesting. So let me get this straight. There is a bill in Ontario right now that got passed. This got passed? Well, I don't want to misquote you. Am I small self here? I'll give you the name of the bill right now. Ontario Bill 100 allows government to seize your house and car without a trial.

that was just it was going through whether it's absolutely gone through it was going through a final reading Ontario Bill 100 um keep Ontario open for business act that's right so that was just this week so don't I know I wouldn't be we'd be fooling ourselves to think that that this is done man that's you know I got in an argument with with with a guy earlier this week um talking about well actually talking about protesting and how he thought protesting is dumb. Like nobody should be able to protest. And I was like, well, I don't know, in a democracy, when things aren't going the way you want,

I feel like peaceful protest is kind of like our sword, so to speak. And I didn't fully understand it until I went to Ottawa. And you always saw Ottawa firsthand. The world saw what the truckers did. you can have a protest every Saturday and by the sounds of it in Ottawa, that's what happens. Every weekend there's a protest for something. But when the protest stretches not only the country but the world, I think you get an understanding of what a good protest can actually do,

especially when it's peaceful. Well, that's it. And it came out, it was grassroots, right? And it came out because people were really desperate to be connected. it again to just it was you know this this idea that protesting is is negative you know it's only emerged with respect to COVID I mean I but just before I'm we moved back to Canada I lived in Rochester Minnesota and we were an hour south of some of the worst riding that was happening with respect to Black Lives Matter arsoning and all these other things and I remember our

prime minister at the time kneeling alongside of that right with the importance for to be able to to speak up when your concerns and your issues are not being acknowledged. And that's what happened. People were being locked down and beat down. And there was no conversation that was happening. You weren't allowed to debate things. You weren't allowed to have a conversation aloud about it. And so, you know, ultimately that movement, I agree, shows you just how powerful it can be.

Because whether you want to acknowledge it or not, within the weeks that followed, multiple provinces drop their vaccine mandates, right, or loosened restrictions. And, you know, the insanity of it was that at the time, when these guys were trying to get our prime ministers to sit down and have a conversation about where things were at, there were like 13 other countries internationally that had dropped their restrictions because they had observed that you were more likely to get the Omicongarian if you're fully vaccinated. And so all these other countries are dropping restrictions. Our numbers, you know, supported that move coming up coming soon.

It's certainly, you know, regardless of what our numbers were, if you're more likely to get the virus or the variant, or at least as likely to get this. And this is, this is borne out in information that we have in Alberta. This is publicly available statistic numbers. I mean, until about three weeks ago, I used to say to people just go and type in COVID Alberta statistics, go to vaccine outcomes and you can see these graphs yourself. Well, you know, since since the Omicron variant around Christmas time early January, you know, the absolute numbers, how many total people who have COVID are vaccinated versus unvaccinated? That's been, you know, heavily on side of the vaccinated, fully vaccinated for months and months because there are, as they always tell you more, you know, 85% of the population is vaccinated. But what changed with Omicron is that proportion switch. So per 100,000 vaccinated status, you are now a little bit more likely based on their graph, the graph line.

was higher. And that data was there in Ontario and in Alberta. It was also there in the UK. It was there in Denmark. It was there in Iceland. It was there in Scotland. It's, you know, there's a similar version in Sweden. And in the U.S., we know that, you know, the counties with the highest vaccine uptakes also have the highest COVID numbers. So these are numbers that go back several months. So to be punishing truckers and not allowing them to go cross border based on their vaccine status was, was, completely nonsensical. And one lot, you know, I think one thing that was missed on a lot of people was that the majority of truckers, I think, and the majority of people that were down at that rally were vaccinated. That the people were there. I mean, it was the beautiful thing that brought people

that that rally together, that protest together, which remained peaceful, which, as you know, decreased crime during that time, as you and I witnessed, free food being handed out, veterans cleaning up the war memorial, protecting lane, standing up near it. We saw the best of Canadians during those weeks. We saw the cops on our side until, I mean, I wasn't there when, after it had been declared, you know, what was no, used to be called the War Measures Act. And they came in and shut it down using violence. And it remained completely peaceful.

And none of those, with even arrests, you know, that those no numbers were, were what they were. But when we bringing people together was a sense of country, of love, and of freedom. That really was what it was. And it didn't matter. And you could see every walk of life, every color, every creed, every religion, indigenous Canadians. You had all walks of life there.

And our, you know, the unifying factor was that frustration with the beat down for two years, especially with the emerging evidence to show that there was no reason to be, you know, laying the beat down on the truckers with respect to crossing the border. And, you know, that was very, very powerful. And that's why I caught on because it wasn't, It wasn't organized. I mean, the truckers literally, it wasn't like they had a plan. They all just got on their cars, their trucks and vehicles and from different directions in Canada,

and met in Ottawa. I mean, there was no coordination to this sake, right? That was the beauty of it. Yeah, I always enjoy hearing another person's perspective on Ottawa. Before we hop to that, I just was doing two things at once, which is good and bad. I was reading this Bill 100, and I can't find the host part, but in saying that, I'm scanning it very briefly while trying to listen and pay attention. So bear with my brain. But it allows if you're parked essentially blockading, which is exactly what happened in Ottawa.

law that allows your license to be revoked for 14 days, allows them to pull all your permits off of any semis, anything like that. So like, you know, basically they're putting different things in place so that they never get blockaded again, right, so that it gives teeth to the law enforcement. That's what it looks like to me. Is they're trying to make sure. But in saying all that, you know, as I. Let me just, you should compare that with what's happened in Calgary over the last year.

There has been freedom rallies on Saturdays here going back a full year. And I've attended a few of them with my family kids. It's been a family event. They've been all very peaceful. There was one of the big first big ones in the summer. I mean, it just blocked off blocks and blocks on 17th Avenue. Didn't get any local press at all pretty much. I think the Harold commented on it a little bit, but underrepresented the numbers, as you see, they did, especially in Ottawa as well.

That was actually an eye opening moment for my way. wife because she was one of the first rallies that we'd ever gone to. And she saw, you know, how many tens of thousands of people were down that area and that and then to see it, you know, not even discussed or, you know, minimized to 700 people. She's like, you know, just eyes wide open after that. But my point is that in the since the truckers in the last three weeks, there was an incident about three weeks ago where some of the same bad suspects, a few of them, Same that were purported to have shown up in in Ottawa, you know, the couple of Confederate flags and some of those things. And we don't have to get into that, but a small number of people that didn't represent at all the crowd.

I mean, I didn't see any of that stuff while I was down there myself. But nonetheless, after that little incident with some of these people, the city council came out with laws where they're going to start putting pressure on these protesters, including that. they were going to start finding honking. I saw that. And last weekend they started finding people for honking as they were driving by in support of the Saturday Freedom rally in Calgary. Why is it, why is it Calgary? You know, like Calgary is where, you know, and I always, I'm a little rough on myself

for Ocean Wise Black getting arrested on the outdoor rink, right? That was about a year ago when I was talking about that. And I was very much in like, why is he just get off the ice, you know, blah, blah, Anyways, come a long way, I guess. But I watched the videos of these guys getting ticketed for honking. And I'm like, oh, man, that's where we're at right now. Like, that just seems like, like, why would you want to be that cop? Like, why would you, why would you want to be the guy like, oh, there's a honk?

You know, they're building in the legal infrastructure to prevent that type of grassroots movement from rising up again. them to the point about whether or not nonviolent protest works. I mean, if it didn't work, they wouldn't be enacting. But we saw it. The thing is, is I don't have to convince you of that. And you certainly don't have to convince me of that. And for a lot of people, you don't have to convince them of anything. But when you were in Ottawa, you saw it firsthand.

Like, I saw it firsthand. I was like, oh, wow, this is like, I'd been to a couple. Well, I've been to one protest before that, like realistic protest. And it was after Brian Peckford. And I've said this story multiple times. And when I went, I was just kind of like, like, well, this is going to do nothing. Like this, this isn't moving the needle at all. And the entire drive to Ottawa, while being in Ottawa, I was like, this is moving the dial every minute that it's here.

Every minute is on the road. This thing, this thing is moving it. And it was very interesting, wild, surreal, whatever the word is for the people, for you, for me, like, it's a lot of them. But to see something like that in action and so peaceful and so like like you say the best of humanity has to offer like that was pretty cool and i i know everybody including myself was just appalled or disappointed in the cbc and disappointed and um i was disappointed in trudeau that he wouldn't come down but it doesn't at the same time same point i'm like but does it surprise us that trudeau wouldn't come and meet with an organizer or two and try and like acknowledge that there's a part of the population that is just fed up.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, there was no, there was no attempt at reconciliation. And never mind coming to meet, there was a daily inflammatory rhetoric that made it that, that just, you know, it was like adding fuel to a fire that existed already. And despite that, they still didn't get any violence out of these people. You know, so I, I grew up in Ottawa and, you know, been to many candidates. And, you know, I saw, you know, the number of people down there. was impressive during the current trucker rally.

I could not believe after the first weekend, you know, how this was being reported in the mainstream media. And, I mean, I have my eyes open on a lot of stuff. I'm at least aware that, you know, the legacy media, you know, is a very coordinated message. And even if you get it from 10 different sources, it's still the same message. you've got to and they're going to you know conflate things and whatever but i was floored and

and actually i was it depressed me monday morning and i think i saw you there and i told you this i'm like this is it just you know my parents live in ottawa still and they're they were phoning me to ask what was going on in downtown ottawa 10 minutes from their house because you couldn't find out what was going on in your own city on the media honestly um and you know to hear the the the way that that stuff and and the sadness of it i think is that there's probably a third of the canadian population who believes the the outright like lies that were perpetuated by our government and by our media lies that are so quickly verifiably false i mean there's thousands of hours of video right you can't deny that video it's and and yet you know i i know people within my own

certain you know extended circle uh you know including what you know one one one friend who who who removed my wife from facebook one of these social media platforms because of links to the trucker videos because you know in your mind with with this you know i just like you know you can know someone like me for for for decades and know that i you know i don't i'm not i'm not in that group of people that you're trying to you know the unscientific misogynistic racist um you know whatever that we were called um and and yet you know when that message is so strong and so powerful and so ubiquitous that, you know, you, you end up maybe believing it. And, and because there are still people that, you know, are going to say,

well, yeah, we'll be 100, Bill B100, Ontario makes sense. We got to prevent that from happening. You guys shut down businesses. I mean, how ironic was it that the people who shut down businesses and destroyed small businesses for two years were lecturing truckers on shutting down business for two weeks, right? And you and I both know that it wasn't them that were shutting it down. I mean, multiple of those blocks, the blockades were coming from the city of Ottawa themselves. When people were arriving, the snow plows, big snow plows were already blocking intersections. And it was a city encouraging local dineries and restaurants not to be open. And the ones that were open were so thankful for the business because they hadn't seen this kind of business forever. Everybody had been

awesome. But those businesses that stayed open were getting harassed. by the local police, you know, including the iconic cafe. So, you know, it was really, really bizarre to watch that narrative, right? So what happened and said, well, you know, amongst all the thousands of protesters, people brought their own food and they fed everybody for free. And that included the homeless. I saw, I saw warm clothing being out given for free. You know, people, it was, it was cold those weeks too, you know, minus 20, minus 30 people are putting a tent outside the Terry Fox monument after the initial stuff

happened that first day to make sure it didn't happen again. Canadian veterans showing up to defend the war memorial. I mean, you know, those are all on video. Yeah. And well, you just rattled off everything that. For the bouncy councils. We've got the bouncy councils. Well, and the bouncy castles, the the Jerry Cane dancing, you know, after they, they wouldn't allow them to fill up trucks. So then people started hauling it. And, you know, like little kid wagons. And you're like, like this is this is this is unbelievable right like nobody nobody who's outside of this will go did all that happen it's like yeah you know i i might have been the first time i've ever fed the homeless story always always pulls in my heartstrings because i got to feed the homeless and i i did like

i realized that that's like something like everyone should do i just didn't know why and i it's it's almost like hard to explain it because it's just like it gives you like a really good feeling. And, you know, one of the nights I went out, probably the first night I went out, because there was all the warnings of Antifa and don't go out after eight o'clock, and there's going to be all this danger.

And so, you know, for the first night, you huddle inside and you, oh, man, maybe it's that bad. And then, you know, eventually you grab the courage because I saw women walk around outside. And I'm like, Sean, maybe it's time you put on your big boy boots and went for a walk. And the first thing I saw was like a family, three kids i would gauge you know five seven nine handing candy bags out to everyone and i was like

where is the danger like anyone tries to attack this family they're going to have like a hundred truckers go at it right like this is i think one of the that was everywhere i know it was uh i mean one of the the the you know so many of these little video montages that show especially as the convoy moved moved out and moved east and i mean obviously there are people moving west as well. But they, you know, there was that one where everybody was phoning in to leave messages for the truckers. And the majority of them were kids, right? And so, you know, never mind what, you know, what happened in Ottawa, which, as we've already talked about, what sort of happened.

But that whole movement for weeks before they even got to Ottawa and there was any sort of any concern, there, we already brought that emotion and that togetherness that was already out of the can. It was gone at that point. And, you know, I talked to, I wasn't, I talked to a lot of, you know, people who were driving through that. And, you know, the truckers were met with an outpouring of love all the way across, right? And it wasn't because they were driving to overthrow of government. That wasn't at all. You know, it was nothing like that, right?

It was just, we need to, you know, enough is enough. We need to have a conversation about this. Well, the thing is, the thing is, I'm certain somewhere in that. group of truckers, there was people that wanted to overthrow the government. I'm certain of it. But just like I'm certain there was people that wanted to drag Trudeau by his boots and drag him all the way back across the west. I can guarantee that he was the butt of many jokes like that. But the thing was is like, so that's what the media reported, right? Like that's what's going on. And the thing was is, well, what you saw and heard and what I saw and heard was, no, actually what they really want is

they just want to be left alone. Like just open things back up, stop harassing the people. Let's move on with life. Let's carry on. You know, your trip to Ottawa is a little different than mine. Mine,

I followed the convoy or I caught up to him and then followed them in. And at some point here, I'm going to have a pretty boy back on. That's one of the drivers that I rode with. He's the younger guy from Saskatch when he drove the entire convoy, right? And like, that'll be a wild story for him to tell as well. but you you flew out or drove out after the fact what was what was your thoughts as you're watching

this go down and then what was your thoughts when you arrived in Ottawa like I know you you you compress it all together and that's that's exactly what I do right like I compress it all together because like you do the highlights but like when when you're watching the convoy go out I'm sure you're like so many Canadians probably people around the world they're like wow here we go like this is something but then when you get the opportunity to drive out and like be there what what was going through your head what did you see and you know for your time there eric uh you were in a different place than i was like i was i was one place you were a different place i'm sure you were in a bunch of meetings you know there was a bunch of doctors there what uh what did

you see from your you know your your your your perch well i i was a when i was uh uh uh uh as a convoy was leaving calgary actually um was able to drive out that morning and and see see them off for uh for a couple hours so got to see already uh the outpouring of support just in calgary that that morning um and then then you're right you know sort of built up as you're hearing um this grow um across the country when i got there um you know i was i was surprised i mean the main thing was all the blockades you mean that was was the that was what hit me the beginning so before you can even get to parliament and get to rito and wellington you have to you have to you know head south down these these these side streets

and they were all blocked off and they weren't blocked off by the truckers they were blocked off by the city of ottawa so it was only the next morning when i was able to go out and and walk around and see all the you know just to see how many how many people were actually there um and then the the speeches on saturdays you know there were always people up there giving talks, you know, the crowd swelled salaries, as you know, you know, during the week, there was always people there. But as the weekend approached, that's when the things swelled up again. And so I was struck by, you know, how many people were there. I was also, you know, over the course of, I guess, seven days, I found that our relationship with the local cops was excellent, you know, that there

had been no issues. I mean, I think for a lot of us who are watching this, what we were hoping and praying for really was no violence. We, you know, we, we, we've seen these type of movements go astray elsewhere. You know, I think some of us were worried that there'd be some sort of false flag where there be a violent episode and that would be blamed on the truckers and then that, you know, and that, but, but the truckers I met all the way through, I mean, they, they were all very aware of that. They had no desire in violence, right? That was a, we, knew that as soon as any of that became violent, they were going to lose public, you know, perception, public support. And, and the fact that there were that many thousands of people there

for that many weeks and there was nothing like that. So, you know, and this was, I guess, you know, one of the things I just thought of, that's thinking back to what the, like the first Saturday, but it was, it was extremely uncomfortable in terms of the cold. down there. They had closed down, you know, public washrooms and bathrooms. So, uh, and all the restaurants and food were closed. There wasn't a, you know, the first weekend before people had set up the food that we just talked about. You know, people were, were on their own. They were, they, you know, they, they, they, they, they, they, they fixed things quick. But, you know, you couldn't get food. It was freezing outside. And, and, and even the EMS, you know, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to seeing seeing on a Canada right and I can remember actually during the the speeches on the first day there was actually a woman who became who was dehydrated and dizzy and she collapsed in front of the stage and it was right in front of me we went over and it took it took it probably took EMS almost 20 minutes until they were able to get it on a stretcher and get her out because I wasn't able to to get out there beforehand so I was thinking wow this is not this this could go back right I mean this This is, we don't.

And yet for three weeks it didn't, which I think we were very, very fortunate for it to avoid all that stuff, right? And I think the way that the convoy organizers voiced it at the end, you know, we're not gonna sit here and be punching bags for the people that the prime minister currently has

in enforcing this makes a lot of sense. Nobody went there to be beat up, have their trucks stolen, be thrown in jail, or you know, nobody donated 25 bucks to the convoy to retroactively be punished. and have your your accounts frozen like some people did. I mean, we know people, some random people who just donated online had done that. People lost jobs when because, I mean, you know, those who donated their,

their addresses became public for about 24 to 48 hours. So some of these people got targeted for that. I mean, almost those things were, it was, it was really, it was, it was constant amplification. from the other side. And, and, you know, I don't think what a lot of people even realize is that Ottawa, the city of Ottawa police went through three, three police chiefs that week, right? Over those weeks, there was, I think his name was, was slowly, but he was there for the majority of it. And then he stepped down because, you know, they, I don't know, he was under a lot of pressure,

and they weren't getting an answer. And I think they were under, I think retrospectively, they were under a lot of pressure to just to move in with force and clean this out. And then they brought in somebody interim for a couple days from Toronto. He thought he could get to a solution talking through things and realized within 40 hours he couldn't. And so the assistant police chief became the police chief. And they brought in police officers who were willing to trample Aboriginal grandmothers with horses. You know, so there was no point to remaining there when the other side had got, you know, wanted to start beating you up that way. And there are, you know, literally hundreds of hours of videos where you can see the abuse that took place on those last few days.

I wasn't there to see it in person. I've spoken to enough people who were and watched the video to know what happened. And that was not what was going on for the first three weeks over there. There was no issues like that at all. Yeah, that's, you know, when you talk about the lady dropping and needing 20 minutes to bring her, I was in the crowd that day too. And one of the things that I thought, you know, when people ask about the cops and the truckers and, you know, everything, one of the things I got to see firsthand being at the one hotel was in the very, very, very beginning,

the truckers lined the streets. So three abreast, all lanes. You couldn't move. So if you pulled into a lane, there was nowhere to go. And cops showed up and talked to the organizers and said, listen, I know you guys want to have a protest, but you have to open up the lanes. Yeah. Because if there's someone who's going to die, it's going to be on your hands now, right? And within, you know, I may exaggerate, but but not that much.

It felt like five minutes. I'll give 15. Within 15 minutes, you could drive anywhere downtown except for right in front of Parma. Everywhere else was was open with a lane. Like you wanted to drive through down there, you could. And then I would say, you know, but yet the fear of going down there was widespread because I've heard a ton of people talk. Like they had to mount the courage to go downtown. And then once they got there, they kind of like.

Yeah. Like this is what's going on? Where is that constant fear and anxiety message come from? We've been dealing with that for multiple, multiple weeks. But you're right. People in their own city were afraid to go down. And not only that, they also made efforts to block people's ability to get downtown, even going into the, you know, the highways leading into Ottawa. And there were thousands of trucks on that first weekend that have been diverted.

They weren't even in the downtown area. They were waiting to sort of come in. So, yeah, I mean, it speaks to the unorganization of how that sort of all came up, right? But they were allowed to set up along that main road in front parliament. but then, as you know, many blocks behind that. But they were, these guys were, you know, wanted to work. I mean, I know, you know, the message, you know, from my perspective, the science was just what I said already.

Multiple countries have already loosened up. And from the transmission perspective, it looks like you were more likely to get on the cron if you had fully vaccinated. And so, you know, it makes sense to sort of listen to these guys right now. but behind the scenes and I guess, you know, behind these truckers, they were, they, they were trying to work. I mean, they were trying to negotiate things like just outhouses that first weekend, you know.

And there were, you know, there, you can imagine there were all sorts of, I mean, I don't, I'm not privy to any of it really at all. But, you know, there were, it, those were the type of things. I mean, you had Bulford on. So I'm sure he, he was, he was much more involved in terms of, you know, the behind the scenes type. And he was able to speak to that much better. But, you know, every, every, every, the people that I met that were, you know, so-called organizers or leaders in the trucker movement were just, you know, salt to the earth people that were trying to do right by their families by themselves. We're thrown in over their heads, generally speaking, all, you know, and, and then you, you know, instead of, you know, thinking you lived in the democracy where we're peaceful protests, we're going to be respecting the loud.

It turns out that you're living in a, in a semi-dictatorship where you can retroact. actively penalize people when, when illegally implementing the War Measures Act. Right. So I don't, you know, so and then they have to make, they make examples of people, right? I mean, the fact that Tamara Litch spent, how many weeks does she spend in jail? They wouldn't allow her bail. You know, this is a, a Métis grandmother who is there doing this to support her family as well. You know, when you consider which, which type of offenders get granted bail and, and then, you've got you know she's uh i think she was charged with you know uh conspiracy to commit mischief

or sir or mischief or whatever and and you she's in jail for for weeks i mean that's not the country that you and i grew up right now right you shouldn't we should not be fearing our government i shouldn't be afraid that i'm going to not be able to access my bank account tomorrow because i donated a hundred dollars to a freedom movement um and that's literally where we're at right now i don't think a lot of Canadians appreciate that. Those of us on our side appreciate that because we saw it. Well, I think there's more Canadians starting to appreciate that, right? I don't think we ever thought it would get there. And then it got there and you're like, how did we get here? Right. And if you've been following along, there will be people who say, I saw this coming from the beginning.

I know quite a few of those, right? I'm just, obviously I'm a guy who still has some of the wool over his eyes because some days I go like, how did we get here? But I want to, I want to talk about what's maybe in Ottawa? One of those experiences are you're like, I can't believe I just saw that in a good way. I don't mean in a bad way. Obviously there wasn't a whole lot of bag going around that town. But in your dealings, in your walks,

there's got to be a couple stories that you got hiding in there. They're like, did I just see that? Like, that's pretty cool. Well, the thing I guess that sticks out the most were, were the speeches and crowds around the crowds around the speeches right on Parliament Hill. You know, the size and spirit of that crowd singing the national anthem and literally, you know, it was just such a positive emotion. That was what I will always take away.

And then on in order to get down to the speeches and get to Parliament Hill, you had to walk by all the beautiful things that were happening in terms of food being given out for free and and all of those things. I mean, I saw them work to clean up those, those minds who protect them. I thought that was, you know, impressive for sure. But it was a, it was, it was the clear, in the positive sense, it was the, it was the overwhelming response and, and, and, um, attitude of what we're seeing. And then that was juxtaposed with the complete 180 of how it was being described in the media. So for me, you know, I would walk around, you know, you're asking for, you know, specifics.

But, you know, if you walk around, just a second here. If you, let you see the little dog here. Yeah, she's going to start barking here. This was the Christmas presents of the girls and my son. I just feel like we were missing a happy soul, happy puppy in her house. So we got that. But I mean, you know, as simple as, you know, you and I would know the police officers that were in Ottawa walking around in packs, not really packs, but they would be walking on groups, I guess, because packs implies something negative. But they were walking around in groups.

And you would go out of your way to sort of, you know, say, hey, how is it going? going and I would ask them, you know, any problems today? And like, oh, no, this is fantastic. And, you know, I'm going to do, turn to what you told me that. I think I saw you that Monday morning when I was feeling down. I saw you that evening. I'm like, I just can't believe the lie is coming out of the media right now with respect to what they're saying and what I'm observing my first hand. Like, it's just like, I can't even, like, if I hadn't had a red pill before, it was an, it was incredible red pill. And you said, listen, you know, what do you expect? We're just going to show up here and everyone's going to just sort of move aside.

You think about what these police officers have to go through. Every day they get poor, they get an outpouring of love and support. You know, people are giving them high fives and everything is beautiful, motion, everything is great. And then they have to go home and they have to watch the same media. So they were all being red pill themselves, which is why I think, you know, ultimately you ended up with three police chiefs until you found somebody who was willing to bring in force to end this. you had other police officers who refused to be involved with that in Ottawa. And this I think was lost on a lot of people, but I don't know if you remember this. But did you know that the Ottawa police officers were trying, they were fighting back against the vaccine mandate themselves?

They got it thrown out, didn't they? They got it thrown out the same week of the truckers. Same week of the truckers. The police in Ottawa were successful at getting the vaccine mandate themselves. I mean, so it was those little things, right? Those little, those little things all the time. I, you know, I was, and I, you know, I got to meet ultimately, you know, brilliant people. And, you know, people who are, you know, who want this country to succeed and who care about their fellow neighbor.

That was who was down there. So it was, it was, I was, yeah, very, very fortunate to be able to spend some time down there for sure. You know, I, I, uh, one of the, the things that stuck with me for a long time was, still sticks with me. And I shouldn't say for a long time is I was out the one night at about one in the morning, walking around talking to different trackers, just, you know, kind of see what was going on. Uh, they had these little patrols, uh, going out, making sure, you know, nobody was causing mischief or whatever.

Anyway, so I'm sitting there, uh, talking to this one guy sitting in a half time, right? He's sitting there and he's got all of his supplies. And I'm like, how are you sleeping in here? And he's, you know, I mean, I'm having to chuckle. And I'm like, what are these people doing in there? And you got to understand, like the truck, for the listener, they had groups of people that were walking, essentially a loop around blocks, right? Just to make sure that nothing was going on.

So they were doing this. But what started to spread, just as much as the free food started to spread. And everybody started to come down and offer support. and bring their food and bring their talent, whatever, is I met to a man, Andrew Pelosi first. He was, him and his group, and they're doing a, I actually was just talking to him, they're doing a documentary here in May that's going to come out on this. But their group went out every night at like one in the morning to clean up the parliament

hell. And I was like, really? I'm like, are you nervous about going on? Oh, no. Oh, nothing to worry about down there. I'm like, oh, okay. So they started going out and cleaning up, and I thought that was really cool. And so anyways, I go back to this night, I'm sitting there and I'm watching these people.

And this is like, I don't know, three blocks away from Parliament Hill. And I'm talking to the guy, I'm like, what are they doing? And he's like, what do you mean? What are they doing? I'm like, well, watch them. And so we're watching them. And every probably, I don't know, 10 feet, they're scanning the ground. And so, and then they're picking up garbage.

And pretty soon you notice that on top of looking for anyone doing bad things, they're cleaning up the garbage. They're cleaning up everything. I'm not sitting here saying you could eat anything off the streets of Ottawa. I'm not going to say that. But I am going to say that I don't know if I've ever seen a group of people clean up the streets like that where there was like no garbage. There was like a garbage bag. There was no garbage just put out. You could just put garbage away.

I remember that very vividly from the start. So what happened was people started tying garbage bags to all the light poles. So now every 15 feet, there was a garbage bag. And so people were just like walking along, picking up the garbage. I'm like, like, it's like one in the morning. Are they picking up garbage of minus 30 right now? I think they are. I'm like, this is like, of all the things I thought I would see, this is not it.

No, that's right. You know, and that that's exactly right. No, actually, you know, that story just prompted, probably a story that you're going to appreciate more than any of the ones. I just totally with respect to. But in the hotel that I was staying at, the first few days, the the truckers very quickly sent out pro you know pamphus to each other to decide that they were going to honk for like a minute every 30 minutes or every hour once every 30 minutes or hour I can't remember which of the two

but so that they were all you know they weren't honking their horn non-stop it was supposed to it was supposed to a honk one a honk every minute long every half hour on the hour from like eight to six p.m. or whatever is what it was supposed to be yeah and so that was generally what it was so anyways right next to the hotel that I was at. And there were, there were a lot of truckers who had parked their truck on this hotel street on Slater because there was, they couldn't get down all the way to, to the parliament. And that was the hotel. But anyways, there was a, a psychologist who, uh, whose office was right next door to our hotel. And he came and, uh, and asked the organizers if they would, um, be willing to cut out the honking in this area, the following.

day, which was a, I can't remember what day the week was anymore, because he was doing a, a sensitive assessment of a child who needed a quiet room for eight hours. And he was concerned that if the honking was going on every 30 minutes, he wouldn't be able to get this assessment done properly on this child. And could they help him out? And it was like, of course, and they just, they shut down any of the honking in that area during that day. So this was the kind of reasonable people you were dealing with ultimately with respect to those things. That's a, yeah, that's a good story, right? Like, I think that's, as I bring different people back on that were in Ottawa,

that's kind of what I'm hoping to pull out of it because, you know, like, I think most people understand it wasn't this violent thing. I mean, there was, there was no, I mean, sure, there was, I'm sure there was some violence. But even the, what was the latest one, they, the absolved, truckers or anything to do with that apartment building being on fire right like that's the latest one oh they didn't do that well no kidding right like um so hearing the stories though of the people firsthand is is honestly um there's so much good in that because i think uh people need to realize like you know it's like one thing the thing with truckers is a lot of them are big burly men right so they don't look like

they're that welcoming and what the crazy part of it was is they were welcoming they were overly welcoming. They were like beyond kind. And that was what everybody left there, I think, with. Now, fast forward for me, you know, we're sitting here almost a couple months now past, I guess a little month and a bit past the Freedom Convoy. You're sitting here in Alberta. You know, you got Hinshaw on trial right now. She's been getting grilled all week. You had Vernon, We brought those two things up. You've had new Pfizer data come out. I forget how many pages came out.

What's caught your interest this week, Eric, or has all of it caught your interest? Yeah, I mean, it all caught us in my interest. There's no doubt every week. It's such a moving target. I have, that's why, you know, try to stay aware of those things. I have, you know, I don't know the background behind Dr. you being relieved from from her role as h sceo you know kenny is facing a leadership um race you know evaluation of his own leadership with his own party um tomorrow um so there's some timing there

um you know and hinshaw is finally uh responding to some questions uh that are being brought forth by um jeff rath as well as the jccf with respect to this the legality, constitutional legality of the mandates themselves. This case goes back in well over a year. Unfortunately, what's happened is, and this was a decision that was made back in the fall, that the judge hasn't allowed any new evidence with respect to the data.

So all the data that we have with respect to Omicron variant, and it's, you know, as we mentioned before, in terms of preventing, of transmission, these vaccines, you know, Omocrine don't do anything, at least anything sustained. And it looks like and some people made you more likely get the vaccine. That data is not is not up for discussion. And so even the stuff that I wrote about in September, a lot of it wasn't allowed entry into the courts. So they've got a focus scope.

So, you know, it's great to, you know, to have some questions. and ultimately, I think our leaders, two years in, all should have to answer questions. It doesn't have to be, you know, this negative connotation. We have to, you know, all of us in any sort of role, I mean, every year I got evaluated by my leadership, two years into a pandemic, I think it's very reasonable that we should be asking, you know, what we did right, what we did wrong, and people should be held accountable for the decisions they made. And it's helpful, especially at a time where, as we just talked about, the media censorship is so thick. To be able to hear her answer questions herself is very helpful.

Unfortunately, you know, I listened into the trial a little bit. There were a lot of questions that were being, you know, overruled, I guess, by the judge and Dr. Hinshaw wasn't having to answer them. But so those two things are moving target. And I just, I hope it's the start of of real questions being asked about the people who made decisions. That's it. I'm not saying, you know, I think we need a fair, fair environment to be able to have that talk. I mean, I would still love to meet with any of the scientific advisors and have a discussion about these data. We still haven't been able to get those conversations. But with respect to the science, I think the two things that have been the most interesting in the last couple of weeks.

One has been, as you mentioned, the Pfizer data. And the other one is, you know, information that continues to grow, suggesting we need to be very careful about the long-term side effects. But the Pfizer story is interesting because it, so Pfizer submitted thousands. I think it was something like, you know, 55,000 pages to get the vaccine, their mRNA vaccine approved by the FDA. And the FDA went to court to try to prevent Pfizer from releasing this information or from

FDA from releasing this information. So the FDA did not want us to see the data that Pfizer sent them. So then this error of transparency and vaccine hesitancy like they like to call it, I mean, the fastest way to get rid of vaccine hesitancy is to allow transparency. If there's nothing to hide, then you would just show us the data. If the data supported everything you've been saying for the last two years, you would just show us the data. But the FDA literally went to court to try to get this. And a group of physicians in the states along with some lawyers.

And fortunately, the judge in that case said, no, no, you guys don't get 55 to 75 years. You have to start releasing the data. And so the data is starting to get released on a monthly basis going to go into August. And the first data dump was interesting. it included not just that like nine pages of over 1,200 side effects that have been reported with the vaccine, but it included the three-month surveillance data, passive surveillance data that Pfizer was collecting, meaning that, you know, if you had, if you had received the Pfizer vaccine and had an adverse event,

you could, you could contact Pfizer to tell them you had an adverse event. And this was the data that they had been collecting during the first three months of the rollout, December to February. So December, you know, this is 2020, 2021 at right when the vaccines were coming out. And so in that three-month data, there were, I think, 46,000 adverse events reported and 1,200 deaths. And, you know, keeping in mind that all these databases, just because there's an adverse event, it doesn't mean that that was caused by the vaccine. But these are, these, these are supposed to be used as signaling systems. So sort of say, okay, post, you know, you only only, you know, for the kids, for instance, right? The teenagers 11 to 18, the trial only

included 1900 patients. So it wasn't even, it wasn't even sized big enough to capture one instance of myocarditis, you know, one in 3,000. So the only way you pick up some of these things when you're bringing this to market before you've done three to five years of longitudinal study and keep in mind, we don't even have, we have barely one year data from the original series, not even boosters right now, is if, you know, people put these into these databases. And then we should be able to go back and look. So the thing that was, you know, those numbers were high, but in the first release, they actually, they actually censored the number that you needed to be able to calculate all the rates. So how many, how many doses were administered or how many dosers did

they, doses did they dispense? They actually blocked that number right out of this, this three. In the subsequent release that just got dropped last week, they actually included the unredacted version of this. You can calculate these things. The bottom line is, you know, they're, they're much higher than sort of, you know, you're led to believe, you know. And if, you know, as I said, if these were, if these were, you know, make you feel better, they would have just, they would have just put these into context and shared the data. They wouldn't have, you know, go to court to try to prevent them and then release a redacted version, you know, and then so, so we know, the other part, I thought that was interesting about that first set was that there was a ton of missing data, not just,

you know, redacted data, but, you know, you would think that if you're bringing in a new, new product to market, if you've got 1,200 deaths in your database, you shouldn't know everything about those 1,200 deaths, especially a year later, right? This is, this is data coming out last month. Well, this is from the first three months. This is like last year, early last year when this first came out. And they didn't even have, they didn't even have all the data on, on, on who was dying from their vaccine or who was dying associated with their vaccine. So that was, you know, that was quite alarming. Subsequent dumps have also suggested that they, they acknowledge that natural required immunity was a thing with respect to COVID as it had been denying for for the

you know but you know they joined the rest of you know the CDC even even the Canadian authorities are now recognizing the natural required immunity um uh you know is something that that is is valid um and you know they've acknowledged a number of other things in those those documents but as you can imagine there's so lots and they're slowly coming out you know the take home I think from that whole whole saga is that the FDA went to court to try to prevent things. You don't go to, you know, if you're trying to make people get that last 15, 20% in the U.S., you're still talking 30%, 35% that aren't vaccinated, you know, share the data that reassures people and then you'll have vaccine uptake. You know, what with respect to the long term stuff, I mean, as I just mentioned,

you know, we have sort of long, you know, you have to remember that all of the original trials, the adult trials, the PEDs trials, it's two months. They looked at two months outcome. And what we know in the real world is that these vaccines with respect to transmission, that efficacy effectiveness, real world effectiveness starts to decrease two to three months, four months, five months out. Then there's sustained effectiveness with respect to serious illness and disease that looks like it goes maybe to five or six or seven months, you know, with respect to the first series. But over time, that is that is lost. We have absolutely no long-term data on the boosters. All the booster trials looked at was, okay, if we give somebody a booster, does that decrease

their chance of catching COVID. None of these trials were ever big enough to look at decreasing serious illness and death. I mean, even the original Pfizer trial had 40,000 people. I think 183 in the placebo, you know, 183 in the placebo arm got the virus, something like 20 or 30 in the other end up. That's where they got to 95% relative risk.

But not a single one of those patients ended up in hospital. So none of these trials were big enough to pick up an illness severity signal because they weren't designed that way. So we've been relying on real world data to feed that that in. Well, well, the reality is as of week nine, the UK data is showing that 9 out of 10 of patients who are dying from COVID are fully vaccinated. And so, I mean, I saw these things coming out. And I went to pull the actual week nine report. And I ran the numbers myself.

It's 89.5% of all deaths in UK associated with COVID were in the fully vacs. and they don't have 9% vaccine update. So getting back to that proportional risk thing, I mean, in September, we knew that the vaccines were about 50% or less effective at preventing Delta transmission. And there was still benefit from a serious illness and disease. But we also knew that in Israel, they were onto their third shot and they were failing down. They were still getting the disease.

So we knew that that wasn't going to end it even then. And now, you know, even in September, I was, able to quote a science paper in Israel showing that like 60% of ICU admissions were in the fully faxed. We knew that in September. So the idea that 9-010 deaths are occurring in the fully vaccine in the UK is not shocking. This is where the data was heading back several months ago. The same thing was found in the Scottish data a few weeks ago. And now Scotland's not reporting that data. They decided to not share that. And so even from the illness severity, you know, which currently were purported to have benefit.

We, you know, we're losing ground on that too. And then any study that looks at that third shot, even the Alberta, their own data, there is benefit after you get that third shot. But again, it's dependent on time. You get a couple of months. And we've now got studies coming out showing that the benefit received from these boosters seems to be reduced over time as well.

So why would we now be having a situation where the backs, those who are fully vaccinated are the ones who are disproportionately, at least slightly catching the disease and dying, you know, at least in the UK data and Scottish data. And if this wasn't real, either the organizations, the health authorities would explain that to us. But what they've done is they've just taken that data down. So I think that, you know, just like Pfizer and the FDA trying to hide the documents, it tells you that it speaks volumes. But it means that there may be, you know, some element of vaccine induced, you know, the vaccine-induced, you know, the vaccine-induced. induced enhancement is the word I'm looking for, meaning that, you know, does the vaccine lend

itself to getting more likely to get infected? So, you know, concepts like antibody dependent enhancement, primary antigenic sin, immune exhaustion. These are terms from very smart vaccine and immunology experts like Gert van der Bosch, who worked at Pfizer, Mike Eden, who the former Nobel laureate who discovered HIV, Professor Luke Montagnet from France, they've all been warning about vaccine-induced enhancement for like a year and a half, I've been hearing this. And it was because it was in all the animal trials

and even the FDA and CDC was aware they needed to continue following this. So the point is there's a pathological, there's a biological, pathological mechanism that that that that that would explain why you could be seeing enhancement among those who have had the vaccine we also know now through a number of studies that the innate immune system so one of the the you know the your primary defense system is very complicated system but nonetheless it's a kind of an automatic system that we all have and then we have our

adaptive immune system, T cells and B cells that kind of learn with time. But the innate immune system really is our first line of defense. And these studies are suggesting that that immune system is actually as effective in the negative way through, you know, proteins called toll-like receptors are involved in another immunomodulatory proteins that have been negatively affected by the vaccine. These are coming out in some in vitro studies and other studies to suggest there's a concern there. And so there's also that element of it. Is there a decrease in urinate immune system and never mind vaccine enhancement, but there's, you know,

your immune system is taken not as good at being able to recognize these things as it was previously because of injury. Now, I'm not, you know, saying these are absolutely proven 100% true, but we shouldn't be in a situation two years out where you're trying to bring this thing into six year olds and five year olds and six-month olds and so on without, you know, ruling out that, that this would cause long-term injury to the made immune system. And, you know, as you know, I think we talked about this in September. One of my big concerns at the time was that the biodistribution data, you know, where does this thing

travel to when it gets into our system? That's bread and butter pharmacokinetics we have on everything. It wasn't available. We had an access to information, Pfizer Japan document that Byron Bridal and his colleagues were able to obtain. But now we've got, you know, several other documents showing that this does travel. And it makes sense. I mean, it's, it's, it's, you know, the genetic material is blocked around a fat molecule. Your immune system doesn't recognize fat as being foreign, so it's allowed to travel. And we know it gets, it distributes everywhere, not just the injection site. It goes to the liver.

It goes to the ovaries. It goes to the eyes. And it definitely gets into the brain based on the animal studies that we're seeing as well. You know, so that that is a, that is a, that was used to reassure people. This can't get into the cell nucleus. this won't integrate insured genetics. It can't do any of those things because it's going to stay at the location. It's going to be expressed for two to three days.

And then your immune system is going to deal with it and memorize it. And then it's going to be gone. That's what we were all told. Well, this thing, it travels. And I have not heard in all the time that I've been speaking about this. I haven't had anybody disagree with that point because you can't. It's in their own. If you Google the Australian Comerati and Pfizer evaluations of the rat studies,

the data is in those charts. So we know it gets everywhere. We also know that the spike protein in vitro model, so meaning not in person in cell mouth, it binds to tumor suppressor genes. So what are tumor suppressor genes? Well, they prevent tumors. One of these tumor suppressor genes is P53, and it makes sure that the reading, the reading frame is, you know, there's no mistakes in it.

The breast cancer gene, the BRCA gene, those have been shown to be able to be bound to by a spike protein. A study a few weeks ago showing that, post-vaccine in humans, in your lymph nodes, you're still pumping out spike protein three to four months later. We've got studies post-vaccine and post-virus infection that spike protein is still circulating a year later. And so it's there. And now it turns out that it can interact with, it could possibly interact with tumor suppressor genes. It could be affecting your innate immune system. And then two weeks ago, we find out through a really nice study,

looking at a by Aldenol in Sweden looking at a liver cell model in vitro, a cancer liver cell model. And they administered Pfizer vaccine to this. And within six hours, they found spike protein, the mRNA inside the nucleus. So the nucleus is a double, it's a, it's got a double membrane inside each cell. And that's the control center. That's where all of our genetics are. the genetics that you inherited from mom and dad, who makes you who you are, that's all in there. And that's why they all told us it was impossible for that to get in there because if that gets in there, it can change who you are. They're telling us that the protein got expressed and created in this in the soul. If it gets in there when you say it can change who you are,

what do you mean? So your genetics as it stands right now, it was inherited. You got a copy from mom. You got a copy from dad. And it's not static in the sense that your genetics does change with time. What you do yourself and your environment over time can affect your genetics to some extent in a negative way. But we were told that this genetic vaccine would not be able to get inside your cell. Because as soon as it gets inside your cell, it means that if there is genetics there, then that genetic could possibly incorporate itself into the nuclear DNA, to the DNA that makes you who you are. You're not just pumping out spike protein for a few days. your cytosol via your ribosomes and pumping this out, this can actually get into your,

into your nucleus. They did not show in that study that the DNA actually incorporated itself in, but it showed that they were able to localize it within the nucleus. But what was more shocking, I found, not just that it got into the nucleus, although that's like really that this should be a full on, we need to do a complete rethink on these things. You need to prove that that doesn't happen before we inject anybody else. from my perspective, given that this was not supposed to be able to happen.

And keep in mind, the liver is one of those sites that that's got high value distribution after the vaccine. But they found that there's this protein called line one that gets massively expressed after they gave Pfizer vaccine to this in vitro model. And line one is a reverse transcriptase, which is an enzyme that allows the reverse transcription. So you go DNA to MRA to protein. Well, this allows MRNA, which is in the MRA vaccines, to go back to DNA. So there is something in the spike protein of these vaccines or something in the Pfizer vaccine itself. I guess you can't say for sure that it's a spike book, but the MRNA within the Pfizer vaccine, it produces an upregulation of line one, which allows, which allows the MRA to become DNA.

And they told us, you know, we knew that that can exist. We knew that these enzymes exist. but that wasn't supposed to happen in high numbers. And now we've got a mechanism that shows upregulation of that. Like it's that the random chance of having, you know, the base pairs and the sequences just in is really mind-boggled. So, you know, so now we've got this and it's there. And so you increase your DNA, DNA within six hours and they found it within the nucleus.

So we need, as I said, we've got to be asking these questions. You know, I go back to, when you and I chatted last, the FDA had not gotten approval yet for the vaccine in 5 to 11 year olds. They went to the FDA on October 26th. And you can Google this dog and send it to you, but they're 37 or 39 page submission, or at least part of their submission. On page 34, they modeled out serious illness in kids age 5 to 11 because as I just mentioned, none of these trials were big enough, even at 40,000 to pick up serious illness. So they had to model it out. And I mean, you and I both know, having looked at these models and, you know, being told

that, you know, one, two percent of the whole population was going to die from the Imperial College of London, that these models want or not always accurate. But they tend to to model them in a way that, you know, makes their case, you know, especially in a world where you see that they're going out of their way to hide some of these data. The modeling often makes it look better. But despite that, they model. that a million, one million vaccines in five to 11 year olds was going to save one death. So that's the illness severity that we're talking about.

So let's go back to the, let's go back to the rationale for children from my perspective, right? And let's, you know, let's remind this is, these are, this are based on my own impressions of the, of these data. But let's, so from a transmission perspective, you know, we should give this to five to 11 year olds and teenagers so that they don't transmit it to others. Well, the data, as I mentioned, suggests that you were more likely to get it if you had the vaccine. So from a transmission perspective, unless you're going to start assessing these people post-vaccine, including boosters, two to three months, that effect on this longer is gone. So that argument's gone. So what about serious illness and disease? Well, I just told you that over time in the next few months, we very well may be seeing a nine out of ten deaths the way the UK is among the vaccinated.

but we know that we were fortunate with this. It has not affected kids in a serious way. And there are reasons for that. We didn't have any child in Alberta die with or from COVID until the first 18 months. It was October of 2021. There was nobody in that first 18 months, we didn't have vaccines and passed away. And the first child who died and Dina Hinshaw, I think answered questions about this under oath this week because she had a press conference about this and and announced that this

child had died from COVID and at least that COVID had played a significant role in this child's death. And it was just child's sister who broke the news the next day that, you know, this, it was sort of an incidental COVID. It wasn't a kid didn't die with, with, didn't die from COVID. It was he had unfortunately passed away from stage four brain cancer. Yeah, we all, we all, we all, we all, we all. remember that one. Well, she had to, she had to redact that, right? But I'm, I'm saying those things. She apologized for it. I mean, I'm not sure how you don't know the full, you know, the very, the medical story. When you decide to go and do a press conference about this and, and potentially

you should, you should know the details. I've wondered that for a long time, right? You're going up to announce if it was just 15 people died it's one thing but when it's going to be the first kid you wonder why they were in such a hurry instead of doing the due diligence yeah and and i think there's a there's a there's an you know you there's a confidentiality uh patient confidentiality issue. And what I take from the fact that, you know, the sister of, of this poor teenager who passed away, you know, letting people know on social media, what the truth was, was that even that they, you know, that the office was misrepresenting what had happened. I mean, I don't know how you cannot know that that patient was in for stage four brain cancer. When you have somebody, when you're,

it's your first pediatric death in 18 months in the middle of the pandemic and you've been using fear and anxiety to scare parents all the way through to do what you want, to mask children in schools, to get them to vaccinate their teenagers. The first question you ask in that setting is, well, what else, what were the other medical circumstances? What other diagnosis did that child have? Keep in mind that even among the 70-year-olds and the 65 plus who are vulnerable to COVID, 80% of them have about three or four comorbidities, right? So of course you're going to ask about what the comorbidities may have been in this child who passed away. It's the first child who's passed away. And if you're going to go, I mean, from my perspective, if you're in that environment and you,

you want to disclose to the public that this has happened, the only appropriate message is one of reassurement. Keep in mind everybody. It's been 18 months of this. We haven't seen any child pass away yet. right this child had a very complex medical history and he was vulnerable you know whatever it it didn't it didn't have to be used in a way of fear and and but it was it's again it's part of this messaging right the that should have been reassurance to families but the timing was interesting because you know they were just about to start get they were they the approval for the five to 11 year olds was just around the corner and and so When I looked last week at the database, there were five children, age zero to 19.

So they include 19-year-olds in the database who have passed away with or from COVID in Alberta since the start. So there have been four more added to that database. And so when you go to the illness severity argument with kids, we talked about the transmission, but the illness severity, the reality is, yes, kids do get sick. up in the ICU and kids can die from COVID, but healthy kids don't. And the, I think when you now, you know, as I pointed out, Pfizer even modeled, you needed to save one life, you needed to inject one million children. They also modeled on that same table that there were going to be 34 excess cases of heart inflammation, mild carditis requiring ICU admission, but they predicted zero deaths from that cohort.

That doesn't, you know, that's a very overly optimistic, let's say, evaluation. Because we have, we know that you may not die right away from myocarditis, but if you look at outcomes, you know, six months, up to five years, you know, there are people that did get scars and there are people that do die. And the lowest, I went through, you know, five or six different pediatric sources of this is pre-COVID data. The youngest, the smallest death rate I was able to find was 9% at, in terms of my point to going into that and we just had there's a case report to two children in the same

area in the US by gill and all they actually did the pathology of these children died post vaccine in a very time-dependent way within a few days they were otherwise healthy they died of inflammation and they found that the inflammation of their heart was different than typical myocardias it looked like it was more of a catacolamine surge which is sort of a you know an endorphin surge injury or whatever, but there were differences with respect to normal myocardias. But the point is those are two children whose death is explained by the vaccine. So the idea that you're really going to save one life with a million injections, when you're

already admitting to causing 34 excess ICU admissions with myocarditis, that's not consistent. If you kill two children, if two of those children in the ICU die, you've now killed one more child than you needed to by giving the injection. So, you know, that's where we're at with the illness severity and death, right? So to me, you know, healthy children, we need to be having a very hard, honest discussion. The last time we talked about this was in the fall. You know, Sweden decided not to allow these injections in five to 11-year-olds. There are other countries that are refused to give it to healthy 30-year-olds. And now we have this emerging in vitro data, like I suggest, where, you know, it can interact with tumor suppressor genes. It can maybe get into the nucleus.

it's all these unknowns and and what we're resigning ourselves onto is a booster every six months for a year for this technology we don't even have that data on it it's it's gotten you know even more absurd in my opinion since September and I have not heard any um scientific argument to counter any of the things that I just said can we hop to like that was a ton of information And as you're talking, I go, you know, Hinshaw is on the hot seat right now. And I can remember, and I'm sure you can too, if you go way back when, rewind the clock to the start of this thing, when she first started doing her pressers, the amount of praise that she got was over the top. Like, so calm, the way she dresses, everybody was just loving on her. and now it's come almost full circle to where she is absolutely hated now one can argue

one way or another but i sit and i watch it and i go do we think hintshaw was the one who submit like came up with this entire plan or is she just the figurehead she's just the figurehead isn't she listen she she's she's in a very you know like you know my my genuine feeling on this is that she's in a very tough situation. I mean, when you happen to be the chief medical officer, you know, during the first pandemic in a century, uh, essentially, if you look at the data, you go back to the swine flu pandemic, not the swine flu pandemic, but the, uh, Spanish flu pandemic influence in 1918. You know, this, there's not like there's a roadmap for how to follow this stuff, right? It's not, it's not easy. And yet, and yet there was, uh, uh, there's a lot,

but she's also, but she also, but there, I was going to say, I was going to say, I was going to say, sorry, there was a program built in case something like this ever happened. Then they threw that. They didn't follow any of that either. That's true. No, and I'm not sitting here trying to make excuses for anything. I'm just saying, you know, to the point about the beginning, I mean, she, her background is in, is in public health.

And she, you know, she actually had worked for ADHD, Alberta Health Services as well. She was appointed under the NEP, not linked government. And, you know, I think at the beginning, when you're in the beginning of a pandemic, you definitely want your media, you know, providing you with reassuring messages about your leadership. And, you know, she likely earned all that praise. And but, you know, with great power comes great responsibility. And now two and a half years into a pandemic, it is extremely reasonable to have to answer questions about how. 100% on that.

And so if people are now using, you know, now she's starting to get negative media, you know, one, you wonder, you know, as we just talked about, you know, what media is giving her the negative coverage is, you know, one, because it's not always, you know, invalid, but two, you know, there are some real hard questions that she needs to answer here. And so I think it's, you know, and people are whether, whether you know, it's warranted in her case or not, people are looking, you know, two and a half years are looking for escape with or looking to point fingers at people. I do not. I mean, as she has stated under oath, you know, she is there to provide recommendations to our political leaders, right? And so ultimately, the final decision is coming from from the political leaders. Well, what I was, I guess like, I'll agree with you

completely on that if you're in a position of power where you get to sit up on, you know, government official, chief medical officer. or that type of thing. Like, you better have your ducks in a roll because this is exactly what happens if you don't is you're going to get people come after you because, I mean, like, it's been a long couple of years and people are looking for somebody to blame. They're looking for that one person. That's who it is.

It's interesting, but it's interesting to watch the political world try and, you know, Verna You is one out the door she goes, right? And she's, you know, everybody will say, well, she was paid, you know, she's getting her money when she goes and it's like yeah you're right she's getting whatever she's getting and out the door she goes with with hintshaw I watch it and I go not so much that bleeding heart for her just interesting to see how much time went along and how the public opinion on her changed so drastically yeah but then anyone who takes public office you know like they're supposed to be up to date on all of this because that is their job they're supposed to speak

for everyone in the population, which is almost impossible, right? And I would never, you know, ultimately, when you use a retrospectoscope, you know, hindsight's 2020, all those things, you're going to, you should be able to learn. My biggest, I guess, concern with respect to, you know, and I'm not pointing to any specific leader, I mean, because I think, you know, the political leadership ultimately holds a ton of responsibility here as well and needs to answer questions, which is why, you know, Kenny is being held to that same question by his internal party tomorrow. So these things are just, they're going to go there.

I'm not, you know, bleeding heart that way or another. But the reality is science is almost never settled. And it's especially not settled in a moving target pandemic where we're using, you know, therapeutics that we've never used before. And so to not be assessing things and changing strategies, as opposed to just repeating the same things that don't seem to work. I mean, we've got two years of data now, right? You don't get to just sort of, you know, we're not in, it's not 2020 in the spring right now

where we've got all this fear. Right now we know, we've got data to reevaluate this. And so that was one part of it. But the other part has been, has been the hard censorship and cancellation, right? I mean, this is the first time that I've experienced in my medical career science career, you know, just this sustained push to not be able to talk about these things. It's not, it's not, you know, you just absolutely canceled. But to your, you know, you, I was thinking of analogy, you know, you were talking about doing a 180 on public perception.

Think about all the thousands of health care workers across the country who decided they weren't going to get vaccinated and have been, you know, essentially forced out of their jobs, course away from their jobs because they chose not to not to do that. These were the same, and they've taken a lot of heat, as you know, called selfish, all sorts of things. But these were the same people that a year earlier were praised for in the middle of pandemic, when you didn't know what was coming, they were showing up to work. They were potentially putting their own families at risk. I mean, there were some families I saw that were taking out trailers. The mom, dad were speaking, it's living in trailers so they couldn't, you know, potentially bring something home to their own kids. I mean, nobody knew what was coming when that was happening. We all

saw videos of people dropping on the street same as everybody else, right? And yet none of us, you know, nobody was quitting at that time. But, you know, the public perception of those same individuals a year, a year later, six months later, even, you know, from the summer, I mean, July to September, three months, you know, that, that was remarkable, right? So when, when you're, when you're subject to that turn in public perception, it can go quick and it's, and it can be, can be very, very difficult. But I just hope, I mean, I really do hope that we just get to have a discussion and we get to look into, you know, who, because ultimately when you asked, who, who's making the decisions,

I would love to know that. Who is ultimately making the decisions? Where is the guidance coming from? Are we just following, you know, the World Health Organization, CDC, FDA, whatever, they're telling us, like, who, where is this leadership coming from? Wouldn't that be an interesting, like, this is the guy who made the call? why did he make the call? This is the thing. You know, that would be an interesting little thing. You know, one of the things you bring up over and over again and, you know, you were here in Lloyd for the SMP presents is discourse, discussion, talking about things, trying to get it out to the public, trying to open up some dialogue on a bunch of these different subjects is something that is it like needed like immensely. I know me and Mike Kuzmiscis once upon a time,

and discuss like wouldn't it be interesting to have a government throw up a whiteboard invite you know 12 different respected people from different backgrounds throw up the problem and go okay what are some different avenues we can do to to fix this now of course there's a ton of red tape in there and it's not as easy as just oh there's the problem and go fix it um out on the farm that's certainly how it is but i understand in a government with different populations different you know urban versus rural everything else there's so many different things it was interesting um And while it still continues to be interesting, how lots of times the solution that's sitting there, they won't discuss or acknowledge, they almost act like if they don't talk about certain things, it doesn't exist. And that's an interesting tactic as well.

Well, it's not even not talking about it. It's aggressively beating down anybody who voices a contrary opinion as well. Right. There is no way that we, you know, we move forward, heal as a nation or, or, you know, I think a lot of healthcare professionals do not even appreciate the damage done to the health care system and the reputation of health care workers during this time. I mean, there's still 15 to 20% of people in Canada unvaccinated. And there was a lot of people who took it just to maintain jobs and do all sorts of things who were against doing that as well that feel angry that they had to take it. It's going to take trust to build that back. And the only way that that happens is with a discussion. You know, we're beyond the point where we're going to take your word for it anymore. Because for two and a half years, you know, this is, I mean, when you, when you start by telling you that, you know, this is going to stay in the arm, it's not going to move a couple of days gone. And now we're at the point where, you know, where we're at, you know, I think it's valid for us to be asking some questions about this thing at this point, right? And you're not going to be able to silence people by just sort of without without having, having that conversation in terms of, you know, Where that happens.

It is interesting, though. The longer this goes on, Eric, the, I'll take myself. I'll put my hand up. I'm so tired of COVID. Like I'm, you know, like inviting you back on. I was like, do I want to talk about COVID? Do I want to do that? Right.

Like, except I go at the same token, if we don't talk about it and it creeps back in a society, I'm going to lose my absolute shit. Like I just. But it hasn't, it hasn't fully left. I think almost to a full 360 what we started at. It's not gone yet. True. And that's,

and that's why having you on and having the discussion about Ottawa, having a discussion about what you're, you know, you're focused on having the discussion about what you're, you're doing with your career right now, I think is it's really good for people to hear. Good for me to hear, right? Like that, you know,

things aren't exactly right back to where we were and away we go. Like there's, you know, there's a lot going on in the world right now. Alberta's got just an absolute immense amount of stuff happening here over the next month, month and a half. It's almost hard to keep up in saying that that's probably the way the world has always been. And I say that a lot because it's not like the world stops moving as soon as COVID goes away.

Yeah, no, absolutely. And I mean, to your point, you know, the other, I think, example of how this is proof that this hasn't gone away. I mean, I'm thinking about my niece. she's not allowed to join the Girl Scouts, Girl Guides this year, something that should be doing, she's a teenager. She's been doing this for years. She loves it. And she can't join it this year because they're enforcing a vaccination policy among

teenagers still, right? You know, so that's still going on. You know, I heard from a friend you met through the Taking Backer Freedom's group. I mean, her children aren't allowed to go to some of the summer camps for the same reason. So there are still, that is still happening right now. And that's despite all the things that we've talked about in front in in in in in in In spite of the data.

Well, it's it's interesting to watch like you go into I don't know Walmart subway pop to mind. I'm sure there's you know way more than just that. But the the mass band-aids haven't come off for a lot of the big stores. They're still all wearing masks. And I found that very interesting, right? Like we've become that's okay if the workers wear masks. and I find that very interesting, right? Because it's still subtly there then. Everywhere you go, they're wearing masks still.

And you're like, I wonder when that, when that ends. You know, like, I'm not like, if somebody wants to wear masks, so be it. Right. But to force people to wear them when, you know, like I was talking to a guy from, from Bell. And he's in the mall, Lloyd Mall. And he's got to be like, I don't know, 15 feet from like the common. common area of the mall, right? The walkway. And he goes, yeah, it's kind of odd, you know,

like I got to wear a mask here. But as soon as I walk across that imaginary line, I get to take it off. And I'm like, yes, that that is where we are now at, right? And you just wonder how much more time is needed before a giant company like that'll be like, because I mean, like, I can, I think people can make arguments. I don't want to make arguments. But I think people make arguments for like sub what, dealing with food or you're in a doctor's office okay and i'm not sitting here making any arguments for it but in a mall at a bell store selling phones i go yeah have a hard time here and that you know it's it's not like we don't have data after two years accumulated with respect to masking you know there's two randomized control trials including one in denmark called a dan mass trial suggesting

that there was no um you know statistical meaningful decrease in these things i mean there's a a whole science behind all this stuff. So, you know, why can't we have an honest discussion about that aspect as well? I mean, I think it's like, it's there. It's still in the background. The mask is extremely powerful in terms of, you know, producing fear and anxiety.

But we've got, you know, serious reasonable concerns with respect to ongoing use of masking in children at school, for instance, right? I mean, kids need to be able to look at somebody's mouth to be able to learn to speak. And, you know, so all these things we've got data, you know, suggesting that that's been, did you know the CDC this last month? They just decreased how many words a child needs to know by a certain amount of time.

So, you know, that we're heading the opposite direction. I'm not saying it's because I'm asking that we've been doing this, but my point is that it certainly didn't help, right? And I've, you know, I've had conversations with, with experts in that area and they've all said it, an incredible amount of articulation issues among the small children. And part of that is because the face is masked. So if it's not going to decrease transmission in those two-year-olds or those five-year-olds, can we have an argument, you know, a reasonable conversation about this at this point, right?

I found an article. Somebody sent this to me. I'll send this to you after Sean. One of Dina Hinshaw's, the former chief medical officer for Alberta. So one of her, you know, predecessors. predecessors was the word I was looking for and he wrote an article in the canadian medical association journal i think this was in 1920 or 21 it was published but it was just after the 1918 Spanish flu and in that article he talks about how the masking and lockdowns and all

those measures didn't work you know so we have that data based on the Spanish flu pandemic written by the chief medical officer in Alberta 100 years ago right so you know i would love to have that that reasonable conversation with people when it kind of comes to that stuff. And I agree. I mean, ultimately, you decide you want to, you know, you want to wear that, you know, I, I had been arguing nothing but choice and informed consent on all these things. My concern is that I think we still have a ways to go before we are providing full informed consent on a lot of these issues. Okay. Well, before I let you run out of here, I got a couple of things I want to, I want to think about. One of the things I want to really try here

as I move along with the podcast, is I really want to try and get the other side involved. Somewhere, somehow, there's somebody who knows somebody who thinks Eric Payne's an idiot. I think there's lots of people. I guarantee there's a lot to think Sean Newman's an idiot. So you're not alone. One is, if I could ever pull off, and I talked about this with you last time, if I could ever pull off having a doctor or somebody in from your field that wanted to come on and discuss with you in a respectful manner, I might say. But come on and discuss some of these. And I can pull that off. I assume you'd be

up for that. I've been open and begging for that since September. All right. So we're going to put it out to the listeners. If they got somebody they want me to reach out to, I'll do my best. And we'll see if we can't pull something off that way. Okay. So then finally, we come to the final five brought you by crewmaster transport. Instead of it being five questions, I've switched up because I, and I keep I keep explaining this, but I'll explain it again. I was doing five questions before, but I don't know where the five came from. It was something that I concocted or rated there early on. And I went, you know, I'm just going to, I'm going to put a time limit on it.

It's going to be the final five minutes. And the first one I did with Bulford, we went for an hour and 20 minutes. And I got made fun of for that by a lot of listeners. I was like, okay, so I'm going to wait until it dies down. So it's actually close to five minutes. So we're going to try this again. So with five minutes to remain. I want to know you said early on and I think I caught this and I was going to hop in and then I just kept letting you go.

Did I hear you're starting your own clinic or or anything along that lines? You mentioned that you're no longer contracted by the Alberta Children's. Are you starting up your own business then? I, you know, my own business is going to be me. I'm going to be at the beginning. There are a few, there are two. local clinics in Calgary that I've had discussions with and come to an arrangement with where I'm going to start seeing child neurology in the community and probably also adult epilepsy because I did that for six years at Mayo Clinic as well so comfortable with that as well. So we're starting to move, I think transition more more into the community with my own practice. Yes, but I don't have a name for that practice yet. But it's it's probably going to be Dr. Eric Payne's neurology clinic at the beginning. But we're going to be advertising that.

And I think there's a number of patients for sure in the area that I've been interested in coming to see me. And then that'll open up an avenue for some of that to happen. Well, I think if I'm thinking about this realistically, I would say when that day comes, you let me know. Because I think a lot of people certainly if they've listened to this point, which I assume there's a lot. I said this at the SMP Presents Night and I'll say it again, you continue to be the most downloaded episode I ever had. And I would assume people will hear that and go, when that happens, I'd like to know. Because people like yourself, although have faced a lot of criticism and harassment and everything else, have found a new following of people that are like, if I could get in to see Dr. Payne,

And obviously for a certain, I assume it's not a general practitioner. You've already said in neurology, right? It's going to be specialized. But in saying that, I think there will be people that will travel a ways to come see you because they respect how you approach, while everything that's been going on. I appreciate that. I'm looking forward to the new opportunities and seeing how that works. There's going to be advantages to it for sure.

And I'm hoping one of those advantages means, get to spend more times on weekends and so on with my kids. But I'm yeah, I'm looking forward to that challenge. I think we just, you know, I've chatted about this. I think we just, you know, go go with the flow. And, you know, as I say, I'm, I am fundamentally an optimistic person. So I got to, I got to believe that things are going to keep going around. But I also believe that if we're not, if we don't continue to be vocal here and

we don't continue to put some, some pressure, we're, you know, back to, you know, how do we get here. Well, that's how we got here. We became complacent and we took our democracy for granted. Yeah, I agree with you on the last point. And then talking about more time on the weekend with the kids, one of the cool things about doing the podcast full time. This is my first full week of it. Is on the weekends right now. I have no podcast lined up. You know, normally I work full time Monday through Friday. I'm either you've experienced us firsthand. Either I'm up bright and early to do a podcast or I stay late after work or it's a weekend, the editing, the everything. So I've been able to help Mel, although some days I wonder if my wife is like, you could just get out of here in

the mornings. But I've been able to help with the kids going off to school and to the day home. And at nights I'm around all the time now, the weekends I'm around. And I, you know, I was pleasantly surprised at how much so far in a week. I mean, it hasn't been that long. How much I enjoy that. Like, you kind of get used to being so freaking busy. And I'm busy now, but being around on the weekends and stuff and making sure that, you know, even if Mel needs to take off, I'm around is, is pretty cool. I've been enjoying that. So I assume you'll enjoy that a lot. Absolutely. Well, here's your final one as time clicks in. I've had many a different doctor talk about this. But how, like, how much harm has the last two years done the vaccines moving forward?

And the reason I ask is because every time I've had somebody in the past on, like yourself, you'd be like, listen, all my kids are vaccinated. I'm not anti-vax. I'm just saying I don't like this one, right? Yeah. Now moving. Now moving forward, I feel like any vaccine is going to be attacked the same way. Yeah, and you know, you don't have to take my word for that. The back in the fall, Dr. Martin Kruldorf at Harvard University's school public health, he was one of the three physicians who signed the Great Barrington Declaration calling for focus protections with respect to COVID.

He also used to be on the voting committee to decide, help the FDA decide whether or not to let vaccines be approved. So he was on that voting committee. But because of his outspoken nature with respect to being assenting view, essentially, he was not on that board role anymore. But he said during an interview that he having spent his whole career in the vaccine world, right, he had spent his whole career doing this. He said the last six months of the COVID vaccines has done more harm to the anti-va, has done more harm to the vaccine movement. than all the anti-vax, anything, propaganda going back decades. So we have hurt the vaccine movement more in the last six months by these coercive vaccine policies.

In his impression, I would agree with this. Then we have, because we've always had parents who were anti-vax for different reasons, right? But all of that over decades has not been able to put a dent in people's brains, public health-wise, on vaccines. You know, there's always been that small proportion, but everybody else has continued to do it. Now, you know, especially as you see these efforts by our health organizations to hide data or to bring data off their website, that trust is gone. I mean, I'm watching, and I won't let this go, you know, 30 seconds. What I'm seeing now that the Novavacs, right, the new, there's a different vaccine that's out and available in Canada, that's being discussed.

most people are like, I'm not going to trust. I don't trust anything coming from them with respect that produces spike protein or anything right now. You know, so and I also, now I'm hearing people who had vaccinated all their kids and now they're saying jeepers. You know, is there something in the data? And I missed that one too. So now you got people questioning stuff that they weren't questioning in the past. And that's all a result of how they've implemented this policy. Yeah, that'll be interesting to see how that plays out as we move forward.

but regardless, sir, thanks for hopping back on. I certainly enjoyed getting to meet you in Ottawa and then of course here in Lloyd and I look forward to bumping in you again. I'm sure that'll happen soon enough. But appreciate you taking some time. Go enjoy the weekend with your family and we'll talk again. Thanks, Sean. And best luck moving full time with the podcast.

I'm glad you're still doing what you're doing. So you have a nice weekend as well. Thank you. Thanks for tuning in today, guys. I hope you enjoyed today's episode. Make sure to like and subscribe to the podcast, leave a review, tell a friend, all the above. Shay, any thoughts? You think people should tell other people about the podcast?

Yeah, you probably should. You probably should? Yeah, if you don't probably subscribe. Well, we'll catch up to you guys Wednesday when the next episode comes out. It's an archive episode. So I hope you enjoy that. And of course, back Friday, wherever you're at, go be awesome. And we'll catch up to you Wednesday.