Shaun Newman Podcast - #260 - Drew Weatherhead 2.0

Episode Date: May 2, 2022

Drew lost his business due to the government lockdowns in Alberta. For the past 6 months he's been living on the road with his family south of the border and just re-entered the Country. We discuss his travels and thoughts on coming back to Canada. Drew is an entrepreneur, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu black belt, creator of Because Jitsu the largest jiu-jitsu meme page & host of the Social Disorder podcast.  Drew also appeared on the show back in January - episode #243 Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Support here:⁠ https://www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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is rewind the clock a few episodes and you can find out your entire story of going to the states and selling your place losing your business i mean it's it's quite the story and um i got to ask you know like when we last chatted you were pretty nervous to come back north across the border How has the experience thus far been? Like how long have you been back in Canada now? Just over one quarantine's worth. So that's sort of the answer to that question. It wasn't great.

That's how we're going to decide how long time. I think it's a measure of time now. It's in the metric system at this point. We've been doing it too long. Yeah, a fortnight. A fortnight. That's what it was, right? Like, geez, then you get you read the book and you've got to flip back.

What the hell does a fortnight mean now? And then you've got to look. That's what we're going to do. So it hasn't been. great then since you've come back. I mean, it's what you would expect, you know, like there are different rules for different people in this country and that's supposedly normal. People think it's normal up here, but I'm coming from a country where it's not for the last six months and it is a stark difference. It just is. Well, and maybe for the listener, if they haven't listened to your

previous episode and I'll mention, I do this and then I forget to do it, but I'll put the link of your previous episode on the podcast on here in the show notes. But, You basically lost, here's the cliff notes and stop me where I get it wrong. You lose your jiu-jitsu gym during COVID for obvious reasons. I think there's a lot of businesses that can relate. You sell your house, you end up moving your wife and kids, buying a camper and a truck and going to the United States for six months because you're like, I got to get out of here before they close the borders, right?

And now you're trying desperately to find a way to stay in the United States because, well, I mean, every Canadian who's paying attention can see the difference. Like, it's very stark. We can't hop on a plane and travel across country. You know, like the mass mandates. I said I wasn't going to talk to the mass. The mass mandates. Are you five minutes in less?

The mass mandates ended in the states, right? They're taking them off planes. Sorry, I meant like federal transport. Yeah. And here in Canada, we're like, well, we're just going to keep on. We're keeping on, right? And you're like, hmm. So parts of it, I,

completely understand the misgivings of coming back up north, but at the same time, you know, when you're kind of in the middle of it, you don't know any better kind of thing, right? Well, to a degree, I pay pretty close attention to what's going on because of the way it affects myself and my families particularly, because I'm, you know, where I go, we go, and everything, the choices I make are for them, you know what I mean? And we knew what we were doing when we were coming back to Canada. Look, like we were down in the States as a visitor and you're only allowed for up to six months at a time as a visitor max. Anything over that you're considered an illegal and they boot you out and they'll never let you back in again.

One day over they'll do that. They're very, very strict about that. And that's good. That's their border, it's their country. It should be their rules. There was a possibility and an opportunity for us to get what's called an E2 visa, which would be a form of work visa where I start a business down in the US that would extend our stay. anywhere from two to five years, depending how we went about it. But as it got closer to the end of that six-month period

where we had to make the decision to either shit or get off the pot with this thing to get this visa, my wife was having more and more second thoughts about it because we've got four young kids. They're between three and ten years old, and they're all within very formative years right now. And they haven't seen their extended family who they're very close with for six months at this point.

At this point, it could be written off as like an extended vacation that they haven't seen them for. But six months for a three-year-old, or she was a two-year-old when we left, you know, and our four-year-old became a five-year-old and our seven-year-old became an eight-year-old. And there's a lot of differences in the kids now that the grandparents hadn't seen. And there was, the decision ended up being made that for the sake of our children and for their formative years, which can't be getting, you can't get them back when they're gone. a very few handful of them that if you screw up for them, it follows them, you know. And with that in mind, we decided to take the risk to forego the visa, come back to a country we're not very welcome in as an unvaccinated family, take the quarantine, do the tests, and hedge a bet that we're going to be allowed to be treated like a citizen by the time we need

to go back into the states as the weather turns at the end of the year because we live full-time in our travel trailer and you can't winter in Canada in it. So we have to get back across and as it stands right now we can't. We literally knowingly drove back into a Venus fly trap and we're hoping that the jaws open up and some sensibility comes back into this country by the time we need it. Well, you know, one of the things me and you talked about was was exactly this. And I'm happy to have you back. And I don't mean that as like, guilt in the end. Yeah, you can come to die with us all. I'm like, if the best of us leave, and I fully put you in the best of us, I fully put a lot of people who've held on over two years for their beliefs and everything else. You've got to be, have a little wherewithal

to get through that. Those can't all leave Canada, because if they do, then it ain't going to get better. So I would simply, where my brain sits right now is, are there dark, tough days ahead? Certainly. I mean, but we can put that to anything. It doesn't have to be COVID, but we're seeing what our government's capable of. And the fact that you have Justin Trudeau and a Singh team until 2025, I just literally talked about it with Daniel Smith, a politician from Alberta. And literally, we're like, well, for the next three years, this isn't going to get any better. but that doesn't mean you can't start aligning yourselves with great people such as yourself I mean I heard you on your your last podcast mentioned you know we've kind of become friends and

he goes I'm going on I've only met him you know through a you know a little bit of chit-chat through you know texting and and obviously sitting down like this it's a weird world but friendships can be forged real fast right now because of the pressure from society from our politics everything else and I I'm greedy I want you back here so that that we have another ally, another guy speaking, you know, for the listener since we've chatted, geez, I don't know if you had your podcast yet. Maybe you did. But you've started a podcast, started listening to it.

And I'm like, we need more of it. We need more people to pick up, I don't know if it's the sword, but you get the point and start entering into the battlefield of trying to change the narrative and, you know, we're desperately lacking in Canada voices, credible voices, that are. aren't too extreme to push everybody away or to grab one piece of society and nobody else and bring them in because I keep looking at this and I keep looking at all the great people in Canada. I'm like, we can win this. We can get back on track. The next three years are going to be a little interesting because there's no getting around Justin Trudeau and saying and we, I think

at this point, we all understand what they want and it's going to be up to the people that are living here to make sure that although they want some things that majority of the population don't want, they don't get it all kind of thing, kind of mentality. Well, the good news about that whole situation, and it's 10 different podcasts and one to break it down, but is that we're in an information war. And thankfully, we're in the best time in human civilization when it comes to the dissemination of information. It's never been easier. It's almost like a blessing and a curse because it's almost too much information in any given direction. You can be misled.

You can be, you know, the government loves talking right now about misinformation and disinformation. Everything that comes out of this podcast is misinformation. Absolutely. There's a label every time. I take it as a badge of honor that if any of my Spotify ones have a blue COVID label over top of it, that means that I at least talked about stuff. Well, they pretty much put a blue COVID label over everything.

You talk about your dog, they got a COVID label on it at this point, right? Like everything. everything and anything and you don't even look at it anymore. It used to be like, what the heck is that? Now it's like, if it doesn't show up, you're like, geez, what did I talk about? Yeah, I put up a joke of story on my, my Instagram page that had the warning banner at the bottom of one of my posts. And I screencap that and put it like five more times on the story. And of course, like, it's so easy.

You knew it was going to happen. It got its own little banner at the bottom. It was like, just having the words in there is all they're looking. you know what I mean it's it's such overkill but I bring that up like the information war thing about it to point out that whether or not somebody is in the country as long as they're for the country they can be for the country from wherever they are so thankfully I I'd most of the podcasts that you were listening to were done down in the States and revolved around Canadian politics

because they still affect me it is true but I would also say that there's a difference in hearing about the pain and living the pain and and that doesn't mean I welcome everybody back in to live it. I certainly can sympathize with a man with young kids because, I mean, I certainly have my three. You know, you were talking about, oh, what's under a crazy lockdown right now? Oh, Shanghai. Shanghai. And I'm like, I wonder what that's like, you know?

And the only way to truly know, like, you can see all the videos coming out, and you're like, frick, this seems like completely. Beyond 1984. There's a book you'd read and I know it's been brought up here several times and A dystopian future that we're currently sitting in, but like there's a difference in Even seeing a video online To hearing about it reading about it to actually being there. You know like Ottawa I went to Ottawa Saw it firsthand no matter how I try and explain the experience

You kind of get a sense, but you don't get the full sense because there's something about like living and breathing in and And when I talk to Vance Crowe, right, his eyes always go like, you guys still have a federal trial? That's messed up. And the only way, like you could talk about it, sometimes like experiencing it is just so much more impactful, I guess is the way I would say. Well, it depends on where your objection, where your view of what's going on is coming from. What's the word? Anyways, my observational view was from the states looking at. up at the convoy and I was watching it intently.

But what I found was interesting is that even though it was happening in Canada and affected Canada and Canadians should have known the most about it, they actually knew the least. Coming from the U.S., everybody was like, have you seen this crazy shit that's going on up in Canada? Because they actually reported on it. But then when I talk to my Canadian friends and even my family members, they're like, oh, you're not talking about that crazy right-wing Hitler praising thing that's going on. like you're really you're talking you're okay with that I'm like wait what are you watching because what I'm seeing from where I am this is like a straight up people's grassroots freedom

movement they're talking like it's like what exactly are you hearing you know what I mean so partly part of me wanted to be back in Canada while it was happening I kind of had some some sort of like survivors guilt not being there while it was happening because this is everything that I wanted well I was here that wasn't happening My voice wasn't being heard, you know? Please don't let me give you survivors' guilt. That's not what I'm trying to do here at all. That's...

But that's the problem we have in Canada right now, isn't it, though? Right? What did people hear about Truckers' Convoy? If you didn't know somebody who personally went, let's just say you're just... You know, you drew, you wake up one morning. What's going on in Ottawa? Oh, you flick on CBC and you start, listen.

This is the straw that broke my back, was I flipped on CBC while. I'm in Ottawa, like day three, watching what they're saying. And I'm like, oh my God. And then Justin Trugo gets on and talks about whatever he talked about back then. And I was like, this is, this is unbelievable that I live in a country that is willing to go this far. And I'm not saying, I always come back to this. And maybe this is overstated too much by me. Were there bad people there? Sure. Majority of them were not. Like beyond. And, So you do raise a good point.

By being in a different country, you'd give a different perspective of it. And that's a good thing, too. Perspective is a powerful thing, as we're seeing with the media warfare, right? Yeah, it's all about a perspective and how one dictates how a story's read or seen or what light or viewpoint and everything. All that matters. Something that came up in a previous podcast I did not too long ago, it illuminated an idea that has been percolating in my brain for a while is that as bad as things get at any given time. The moment whoever is in the wrong makes a move, they expose themselves. And so by the exposure of the media obviously posting a false narrative and trying to deceive the people in broad daylight, they expose themselves as one of the tools.

And it was, you know, you can make whatever accusations you want up until the point that they corroborate it for you. And at that point, it's decided, like CBC is captured. They are captured by the government and they'll say whatever they want. them to. Man, did you see the CTB news that living beside an airport, they've now found out that it causes a higher chance of a heart attack? You know, I read that and I was like, this is like complete, somebody's having too much fun here, right? Just having a joke? No, it was official. And then I listen to you and your sister's podcast, which I would recommend people doing because I think stories like that are really, well, you can explain it here maybe quick if you like to the listener,

so they have a little bit of an idea of what the heck I'm talking about. Yeah, sure. So my sister, my elder sister, Becky, she incurred a vaccine injury from her first shot of Pfizer back last year around. Well, she got her shot in April and had her injury later in May. It was like a three to four week latency, which I guess is typical of what she got, where she ended up getting paralyzed from the hips down. And for, I mean, as bad as it is, and it's not good, you know, that that happened. And there was a lot of recovery and a lot of struggle between that. One of the worst parts was the constant gaslighting while it was happening because it couldn't possibly be related to the shot. And she was told that by many professionals all the way through the whole process taking horrible, like tests.

She was getting spinal taps. She was getting like every type of invasive test you can imagine to try to figure out what it could possibly be besides the vaccine. And to the point that she brought it up once with one doctor and within a few minutes, they had the psych person come down and give her a psychavowal to make sure she wasn't crazy, asking questions like, do you feel like everybody is against you? And she's like, well, no, but I feel like some people aren't telling me things, you know? Like she had to try to express that she wasn't insane for asking the question more than once, could this be related to the shot? And she was not hardcore in any camp.

She's just an honest person who can't feel her legs that wants to like, okay, you've tested every possible other thing. Could it be this thing that they're saying it could be? That's too much to ask. And she's a school teacher in Manitoba, right? In BC. OBC, not in Manitoba, BC. Yeah. Listening to that one, I've interviewed Adam Conrad, a fishing guide from around Saskatoon.

he was the one that talked about having to have being rushed to the hospital multiple times for heart out of sync and like having to get shocked and like crazy stuff and nobody would admit what it was and Jamie Sinclair's come up several times he's a veteran of the military 31 years and he talked about when his son back in 2010 or 11 had the H1N1 lost all his platelets started bleeding and they wouldn't admit was from the shot then So this isn't something like, oh, yeah, it's a vaccine. Like this has been, I was shocked when he said that because I'm like, oh, wow. Like even back in a, like even back then they were saying it wouldn't admit like,

because you're like, if we got a problem, I don't know about you. I'm like, I want to know about the problem. And then we're going to fix the problem. And what you, you know, the longer this goes on, what you find out about the fizers of the world, about the big companies like that is they're not worried about that. Like they're just, they are. They don't want you to know that there's a problem. In fact, they want you to, to, to, to,

admit to the fallacy that there is no problem safe and effective is the only thing you're allowed to say and anything beyond that forget about these nine pages of side effects that they were forced to release by a court order well that they wanted to hide for 75 years a literal human lifetimes worth yeah they want it to be hidden for forget about that you wonder if when they filed the 70 and for the listener if you don't why who am I kidding my listeners know all about this the Pfizer 75 year we're not going to release like as they're filing in it and you're the lawyer are you having to try to of like this will never pass you know like this is gonna grab some headlines

right like why obviously you understand what they're trying to do right they don't want anybody to read it I think that's pretty evident when you put a 75 year timeline on it but did anyone think that was gonna pass like well this is gonna pass a smell test yeah well they set it up in a way that was like only like barely understandable why they might they had this tiny little excuse I don't know if you knew the exact details but it wasn't 75 years from now we're going to drop it all. There's 400,000 documents that they're supposed to release. And they're like, oh, it's just too much, uh, judge. There's too many things that we have

to go through. It's dense. There's tons of redaction that we need to do. It's just going to take too long. So we can give you 500 pages per month with heavy redaction if you'll, if, you know, we'll do that for you. And that led to 75 years over these 400,000 documents. And the judge is like, you know what? Um, first of all, fuck you. Second of all, you're going to drop this stuff faster. I'll, I'll give you a little bit of time, but it's going to be 10,000 documents the first drop, 10,000 documents, the second drop, 20,000 the next drop, and by the end of the year, we're going to have your 400,000 documents, and they're scrambling to try to redact as much as they possibly can.

There's tons of numbers, important numbers during their own clinical trials that they're not releasing. Red flag, much, you know, like if this were a company that you're looking to for, what might this shit do to me if I put it in my body and can't get it out? And they're like, no, don't worry about that. Just put it in, safe and effective, and here's your thing. third booster and here's your fourth booster and we don't we don't talk about heart issues and we don't talk about paralysis and you know it's safe and effective let's get our kids we're we're testing

it down to six month old right now this is so so good for protection they're talking about the fourth booster they're like pumping up right now in the news as we'll give you up to a month of improved protection against COVID-19 a whole month wait a minute um the first two injections were supposed to give me three to five months efficacy well no window of protection in the beginning it was going to make you immune. Sure, sure, sure, but we know now that you get about three to five good months of protection from the first two shots. Then the first booster comes out and they say it'll give you three months of protection. Okay, so it's not three to five anymore. Now you're getting like two to three. And now the second booster is saying, you'll get a whole month. It's like, how many boosters down the

line before I measure this in minutes and seconds? Like, what are we doing? And every single time, we're rolling the dice on these nine pages of possible side effects that, by the way, might compound on each other as we're going. We won't know that until the long-term studies come out. By the way, we're still in the long-term study phase, and they might never come out if we're relying on people like Pfizer. Yeah, you can't rely on Pfizer at this point. I don't know if you could ever rely on Pfizer.

I will give, I'll be, I'm always hardest on myself. If I go back, I was naive as hell when it came to a lot of different things. The podcast, in itself, though, starting to like started to like really open my eyes not because of the not only the information that I was getting but how people reacted to it how I mean geez Louise like I've been YouTube obviously you know it's it's a constant joke because I have the YouTube crossed out now we need to get you a medal you can have that has a little that's right I'm just like that one in itself right when it's censorship

censorship of Donald Trump right and you're kind of like oh yeah yeah Well, he's pretty extreme. When it's a little old Sean Newman from Lloyd Minster talking, I don't know. Like I'm like, what on earth am I? Oh, I'm thinking. Oh, that right there is censorship, right? We got to stop the thinkers from thinking about problems. And I'm not even great at it.

I don't even sit here and go like, I'm some genius. I'm certainly not, you know, like if you listen to the Dark Horse or like Brett Weinstein, like guys like that, I mean, Joe has had plenty of people on that just talk so. thoroughly, incredibly about a lot of different things. You're like, but they're coming after me too, right? And I'm like, that's wild. Well, what they've done is they've, that's thorough.

They've turned over the job of thought police from humans to bots. And so what's catching you is the algorithm. They don't even know that they banned you and they don't care. And they don't care. Cut it and you end up in the trash. They'll never look at it again. You're never going to get a reply to your emails. And that's their system because, A, I mean,

they have a scaling issue that I don't know how many millions of minutes of videos are put up on YouTube every day, but it's beyond human capability to oversee. So I understand you have to put some sort of algorithm in charge. But at the same time, you can't just unchain this watchdog and let it go eat everybody. Because that's kind of what's happening. You're like, well, at least people are being eaten. You know, we don't have to deal with it anymore. There has to be some sort of like, can we dial this?

Can we adjust it at all? So here's the crazy thought then on that, okay? Because as far as I know, YouTube isn't owned by Canada. I could be wrong on that thought, but I'm pretty sure that's accurate. What got me pulled wasn't the COVID. It was Ottawa. So think about that then. Within, no, Ottawa didn't go on for, for, I don't know, 10 months.

Ottawa went on for like three weeks. So within, well, it was less than three weeks, time of Ottawa happening, they removed me for an interview I did before there because I didn't release my stuff in Ottawa on YouTube. So that can send you down a dark little rabbit hole. Oh, it's typical clown world stuff right now. See, the difference is even though YouTube is based out of Silicon Valley, ideologies span borders, and it's never been easier through the internet age, right?

So what you're being hit with is their ideology is being preached from Canadian high throne right now, you know? So if you contravene the ideology, whether or not you're American, they don't care. It's against, like, look, Silicon Valley and the tech industries, the bigwigs in general right now are, like, happy to tell you how woke they are. Like, they're not hiding at all. You know exactly what they believe. And talking or listening to anybody who's in, like, deep into that industry, they're like, it is a religion behind closed doors. Like, they preach it to all of their employees and they hire based on how woke are you. So, of course, like, it shouldn't be that surprised that they are absolutely. happy to and feel like they're doing the world service to enforce this. Yeah, that's, that's wild, though.

You think of where we're heading in the future for your kids, my kids. It's going to get stranger, right? But again, every move they make exposes them, right? True, but they don't seem to have any consequences of it, right? Not yet. Not yet. What do you think is going to be the hair that breaks the camel's back, so to speak, for them? I will tell you, up until recently, I've been pretty black-pilled.

on this whole thing. I got red-pilled recently a while ago, and for people I don't know the reference, just a basic matrix reference of going down the rabbit hole, being unplugged from the matrix, looking around to what's actually going on. And you get red pill for long enough and you end up getting black-pilled where you just turn into a nihilist and everything is going down a tube and we're all doomed and there's no way to win and evil's going to conquer. And, you know, that gets really bad after a while. But I had a guy on actually yesterday, it dropped today. People who are listening to this can go check it out. His name's Josh Ketchery. And he's a black belt out of, oh, by the way, I do jujitsu. He's a black belt out of Buffalo, New York. And more to the point is he

is like a prolific entrepreneur. He's multi-business owner through a bunch of different restaurants. And he is huge into the idea, the conceptual idea of decentralization. And we're coming into this very interesting time technologically right now, where we're, we have the ability as a group of people, any group of people, to become autonomous for whatever reason we want to. Up and including at this point full on currencies, you've got all of cryptocurrency that is not owned by anybody. And the worth isn't controlled by the government. It isn't controlled by Wall Street. And those people, those bodies and organizations don't like that.

And they're trying to fight. Don't think they're not trying to fight it. They're trying to fight it in all sorts of ways. but it's difficult because of the degree of purposeful decentralization. There's no one node to attack. There's no one figurehead to take down. And you can't go to one country to do it. That's right.

It's, you know, the idea of decentralization is so powerful for a population, and it should be terrifying for people who are greedy for power because you can't control it. It's by definition uncontrollable. So I would suggest checking out his podcast on mine recently. First pitch of the podcast there, you guys can go check out my podcast. It's called the Social Disorder podcast. And Sean Ketri, or sorry, Josh Ketri breaks it down very, very minutely.

He's got a whole. Look, there's this thing I'm going to have to look into because he brought it up called the sunflower revolution that happened over in Taiwan. And Taiwan, for those that know, was part of China, is no longer part of China. But you're not allowed to talk about that because China, they look at it as part of China. and it's just not part of China again yet. But there are constant attempts by the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, to infiltrate Taiwan at the governmental level and take it over in a coup that's been happening for a long time.

Every way they can possibly take this back, they're trying to take it back. And there was a prodigy hacker, a young lady who basically implemented a decentralized network to oversee politicians in a way that they had to upload. every type of meeting that they ever did to this system for public consumption. Any time that if you got voted in in Taiwan, you had to agree to be visible, be visible to the public, which is bonkers that that's revolutionary in this time. You know what I mean? Like, if you go work at Walmart right now, they're going to have three cameras on you,

all shift to make sure you aren't taking money from the register and putting in your pocket. But we don't have that type of oversight for our own politicians that change the entire direction of nations. We don't know what they're doing behind closed doors. All we know is the rhetoric that they use to get into power. Beyond that, we're just like, all right, you do you kind of thing. They said, no, this isn't going to fly in Taiwan because we understand we're under constant attack by the CCP to take our country back. And I want to do more research into this. I suggest you guys do it as well into this sunflower revolution where they, at this point right now, have a fully decentralized and,

accountable government to the people. That's an interesting thought. You think of like police officers. They walk around with the body cams. That's an interesting thought. See, because corruption can only exist when it's hidden. The moment light gets shined on it, it becomes exposed. Actually, the first time, I mean, obviously that makes sense.

But the first time I ever heard somebody notable talk about that was Paul Brandt, Obviously the musician talking about child trafficking here in Alberta. And I was like, what? And he talked about as long as they remain in the darkness, it's allowed to happen. More people talk about it, more people shine a light on it. Then it's, I mean, we're seeing what's happening all over the place because people are talking about not the Emmington Oilers every time. And I know, you know, if you go back far enough in this podcast, there's a lot of people upset about that, that I changed gears because that's what I did. But the longer this goes on, I can't envision a future for my kids that isn't like pretty dark, honestly.

And I'm young and fit enough right now that we can do something about that, I believe. And a body cam for politicians. Yeah. I don't think they'd want to sign on to that. But then again. Well, it would discount the people that won't. People who disagree, we don't vote for them. People who agree, they're the ones that we want.

You know, they sort themselves out by how ready and willing they are to subscribe to that. it only attracts honest people yeah because one of the one of the things that's always confused me right coming from this area you know oil industry big money corporations blah blah blah blah blah right like that's that's Alberta and Saskatchewan now as it's industry continues to grow to grow is that successful people don't go into politics they go into big business because you can make more money about it and I'm like yeah but then you get where we're at Right? Where you're like, if you extrapolate that far enough out, eventually there's so much red tape,

there's so much taxation, there's so much because none of the business people are in politics or honest people or whatever you want to put there to like make sure that business is allowed to continue on and that smart things are happening and that, you know, you can't have it go too far one way or the other. Well, right now we got to go in real far the one way. And it's hurting everything that makes where we live. good right like our country has everything it needs but every time I get into it with a successful business guy they're always like oh there's never enough money there to really attract I'm like well how much money does one person really need because I look at politicians and I go I think a lot

of us think they get overpaid right now I'm not saying they do but they get a pretty decent chunk of money to do what exactly right now I can't quite figure it out for a lot of them because we just went through two of the roughest years and it was wasn't the politicians that figured out of this. It was a group of truckers that got upset, went to Ottawa, and then a group of people, and I'm speaking entirely about Canada right now, and then a group of people followed them, and all of a sudden, magically, all the mandates start lifting off, and you're like, weird, right? Weird, right. That's, that's, I'd never seen that type of pressure before. I didn't understand it. Now I understand how much power the public

truly has if they come together. And that was in spite of their best efforts to mute it to slander, it to silence it to not cover it. That was in spite of their best efforts. And that happened once. And here's, okay, I want to say something that is optimistic before I get to something as pessimistic. So the optimistic part is on the topic of decentralization, Josh brought up an interesting point that what we're doing right now is decentralized media. Okay, so like the power that the CBC and the CTV and all them have over the general population, dwindles and dwarfs as this grassroots media that can't be censored. It isn't bought out proliferates. So the more people that are doing what we're doing, it doesn't matter if we're small. Doesn't matter if we're not on

YouTube. We just keep doing it. And it builds up in this snowball effect to the point that suddenly we got put together. We got Joe Rogan numbers that dwarf CNN. And suddenly his voice or our voice or people's voice are being held or heard as much or more than the propagandists who are being paid off by the government. And I think that that is a form of decentralization. They can't control because they can try to censor you once on YouTube and me once over here and, you know, whatever. But you just keep doing it and they don't have control to stop us. Now, to the pessimistic part, they're trying. They're trying. They're trying. They've got Bill C-11. They've got Bill C-5. They've got all of these bills that are trying to come in. Now look, I don't think they were ready for Ottawa. They

weren't ready for that protest. They were probably thinking that they could continue on the way they had for the last year and a half, two years, and they could slowly roll out the things in the back room that nobody's paying attention to like they've been doing for forever. But suddenly, they had their hand forced now where they're like, hey, we can't allow that to happen again. We barely shut it down the first time using emergency powers that the whole world saw us as dictators for. Like, don't kid yourself. As much as Canada pretends like they did the right thing, everybody else in the world, including the U.S. when I was down there, are like, these guys are tyrants. It's North Korea up there. If you stand up to your government, they'll crush you with

horses and jackboots. He showed it, you know? They barely shut it down. And so I think that they are trying to fast track these things as much as they can to put some teeth behind anybody who wants to try something like this again. You see, have you heard what happened to Jeremy McKenzie recently? No, actually, maybe I haven't. He was disappeared for three and a half days in solitary confinement. That was right after Ottawa. No, this was a couple weeks ago. This was at a different protest, and they took him and his girlfriend,

and they put them in solitary individually. They interrogated. Oh, yeah. And according to him, if he didn't have access to a really good lawyer and he had access to a really good lawyer, they would probably still be in solitary confinement right now, if not under house arrest. They wanted to take away all of their cell phones,

take away all of their social media. They weren't allowed to be on the internet anymore. This was the first deal they got. They were going to be confined to house arrest in separate provinces not allowed to talk to each other. And until they got a lawyer in there to break it down a little more, as it stands right now, he's still podcasting. He's free now, but he's not allowed to use the names of politicians.

He has nicknames for them all now because legally, CIS is listening to all his broadcast. And if he trips up and says, Pierre Pauliev or Justin Trudeau, they can get him because he signed an agreement saying he won't use names. And these are like the concessions he had to get to get out of the teeth of the machine that's trying to stop. Well, Jeremy, if you're listening, it looks like I'll be reaching back out because I think more people need to understand that, that that's happening. I didn't realize, I'd heard he'd done solitary and confinement. I didn't realize that chunk of it.

That's wild. It's insane. And that's just the tip of it. That's what he's talked about, like here and there on his telegram. and stuff. Like, I think there's a lot more story he's not saying, and maybe he can't right now. Well, he's turned... Tamara Lynch. She got released with an ankle bracelet on and not allowed to talk to people, not allowed to go on social media. That was the only way they were going to let her out.

Did you watch the video of her being released and her children coming up to her or hadn't seen her for, what, five, six weeks? Yeah. Like, she was a legitimate political prisoner being held on conspiracy to commit mischief. Yeah. Well, give me a goddamn break. None of them, none of them can talk about it, right? All the people who got taken, like, I had Dan Bolford on. Which gives a lot of rise to a lot of people questioning whether Dan Bulford's legit or not, right? Because he's one of the few who got to come out of their unscathed, although I always go, well, he didn't really organize anything.

He was in Ottawa and he helped try and navigate the situation for the city of Ottawa and the volunteers and everybody else, right? Well, it wasn't unscathed. He got arrested too, right? Well, he got arrested, but he got released. And everybody goes, why did he get released? Right. Because he's a police officer and he's deep in cover, right? It's like, well, if he is,

He's doing a beautiful job of destroying his life and everything else, right? Like, you know, I don't know. But like Chris Barber, who got me pulled, he can't talk, right? And it's like, can't talk about what, right? Like, we can't talk about what's going on. And I don't know all the ins and outs of the legal system, but, I mean, there's ways to silence people, and we're seeing it firsthand with the names you're throwing out.

Yeah. I mean. Speaking of names, do you, did you hear that the lead lawyer for the convoy, I'm trying to remember his name Wilson. Keith Wilson. Keith Wilson. Yeah. I actually knew his son for years before I knew that he was the head lawyer on this thing,

who was in Jiu-Jitsu. He's a purple belt up in Edmonton. He comes to a lot of the tournaments that I do. And I learned, oh, his dad is the lawyer. That's kind of cool. So I saw what Keith was doing through his son. And apparently he has in his possession a list of 100 pages long from some part of the government, whether it is the RCMP or whatever,

some sort of oversight branch of the government, that is 100 pages long of names that the government has right now. For people who spoke out, for people to have large followings, for people that had, these are people of concern for the government right now. I guarantee we're both on people of concern. I guarantee it. As soon as I had raging dissident on, and he told me on the podcast,

like he has people that listen to everything he says, I'm like, well, shit. if I was off the radar before, I'm certainly on it now because I've had you on. I had him on too. Right? And so the fact that I'm sitting is like, well, if that's the where we're going to as a society, people better listen to that and buckle up because pretty soon, you know, you'll have the social credit score and they'll be watching every move all of us make.

Right. So I don't think there's any hiding from that. Like the fact you're on a list is like, I don't know, maybe I was always on a list. Maybe, you know, who really knows? It could have been for swearing early on. Sure. Oh, he's doing media and he's talking to whoever and he's swearing. That's the start.

Like, I mean, that's how ridiculous this can get. I mean, we've already seen the ridiculousness of where it's at right now. Yeah, well, where it's at right now is we've got this list and there's no teeth behind it yet. But why do they have this list? They don't have it because it was just like, well, we got nothing to do today. They're actively collecting this for the day that they can do something with it. Well, you ever read Guleg Archipelago? I haven't yet, no.

Well, maybe I thought the same. I'll add that to the list. I thought the same thing when you read 1984. I'm like, this is the wrong time to read that book. So if you're listening to this and you haven't read that one yet, maybe do yourself favor and wait a little bit because... Yeah, that's a black pill. You literally have to watch Family Guy for the next 10 years to get out of that.

Like, there's some pages in that book that are hard to turn over because you're like, like, this is... This is bad, right? Guleg, same way. But that's a historical one, right? Not a fictional one? Yeah, correct. Of Soviet Russia.

Man, there is a line in that book where, you know, they're talking about, there's just things that, as a younger man, and I literally say like two years ago, younger man. Yeah, two years has been a long time. That's 20 years worth of life experience. 100%. I didn't think was possible. One was the long game of Solitaire.

I didn't, you know, now you talk about China and things like that and their plan of like 50 years and stuff like that. It's like I didn't pay attention with, I had blinders on, I didn't pay attention what the rest of the world was doing, but I truly thought, man, there's nobody out there pulling the strings with a long game plan of what to do. They're thinking so, they can't see past the front of their nose kind of thing. And then you read Guleig Archipelago,

and in the first like 20 pages it talks about the big game of Solitaire. how some of these moves can take years. They don't happen, you know, if the tanks rolled down wide minstered marl, you think everybody's tail feathers would be up? Absolutely. That's why the Emergency Powers Act put everybody's tails,

because that was a bold move. Giant overreach. Holy crap, right? But here's this Guleg archipelago, historical account, Soljianitson, talking about the big game of solitaire in Russia and how moves take time. And you're like, fuck.

All right, well, there's one. And he mentions it a bunch of times. And the next one was he talked about if he got caught by the secret place, that he would, him and he would make up this story with his friend about they were just talking hockey. And you know, got to just look around the room to understand the word hockey in a book like that just hit me really hard. Like really hard. Like I read that and I'm like, okay.

All right. So it can get that bad here. Because in my mind, hockey is a Canadian thing. And there's nobody back in the 19, whatever, 40s talking about hockey. Oh, wait, they are. That was a dumb thing to even think. I was just so, like, closed off. I had the blinders on.

I think that nowadays is the best time ever to read old literature. Something like that mental fallacy you just had is it couldn't happen here. Oh, me, wow, it could happen here. It's so common and a typical reaction, myself included. It happens all the time. And it was something that the author, C.S. Lewis, coined a term called chronological snobbery, where you look back on things just like, wow, that was bad back then. Thank God that will never happen now. And you neglect to realize that these are the same human beings today as they were back then and the same power structures and the same incentives and the same reasons for people to do things. Look, people's intentions break down to very basic things as any psychologist. They haven't changed as far as humans have existed. So to believe that things could happen less than 100 years ago in World War II, it was like, well, thank God that'll never happen again. Why? Why would it never happen again?

In fact, the people back then, if they lived through it, would look forward to us 80 years later being like, please don't let this happen again. Please use our experiences as cautionary tales at the very least. You're not going to be able to stop this shit when it's 100% going. We wish we could have stopped it and seen it happening or seen it coming beforehand. And that's what Solgenitin says. If he could go back, he would have screamed as loud as he could of course. Of course. But at the start, nobody believes it. It says, boy that cries wolf syndrome, where it's like, yeah, well, it's just, oh, my freedoms, my freedoms. Yeah, it starts with one. Okay. If they can get one, they can get two. If they can get two, they're going to keep going.

And they're going to wait for you to be like, where are you want me to stop? I'm going to keep going. Because when they take one, they don't give it back. Look, we're getting our, oh, we can take our masks off now. Lucky us. We can finally. We can eat in a restaurant. Right. Yeah, we can go to these.

We could always have done those things. We allowed them to take it from us. Now, what did they gain from that? Oh, well, they got some time. They kept us out of these areas for this long. Was that the plan? No, the plan was to see if we would let them. And they know now that they would let them.

They have a switch now that they can flip. And don't think next fall they're not going to flip it. There's going to be a variant. There's going to be a reason. There's going to be numbers. There's going to be stats. It's the same old thing. the super duper Oma Delta Kron is going to come around.

And they're going to be like, oh, the hospital, the numbers, the ICU. They don't have to use any logic. They just have to use the things that worked last time. And it's worked for what? Four lockdowns here in Alberta? I didn't think they would ever do a second one after the first one. Once we got out of the first one, I was like, wow, I barely made it through that. I was like two weeks away from breaking my business.

And we were like, this two weeks to flatten the curve turned into four and a half months. And I didn't have any money left in the world. And thank God, we opened up for the summer. And wow, we made it through that one. I mean, they tried. They did what they could. That was their one play. They'll never do that again.

The economy is crushed right now. Like they had one chance to use that move. Nope. Come around November, they use it again. They extended it again until June the next year. Like we missed Christmas. We miss Easter. It was indefinite up until the time that they needed the Calgary Stampete to come around.

And all of a sudden we can start lifting mandates again. You know what I mean? Like it's not what you think it is with these people. They're not sensible people. They are greedy. They're power hungry. They actually lust for power. It's not just money.

It's not just fame. They want the power over the people. And every chance we give to them to do that, they're going to take it and say thank you. Yeah, that's the, well, let me ask you this. You think I grew up on a farming family. So there's like wisdom passed down by farmers, right? Adidges. Yeah.

You know, you don't prepare for a drought in a drought. You prepare for a drought in the good years kind of thing, right? And so I think I'd be foolish at this point to think that politicians, you know, I just look at Trudeau and Trudeau, the fact, his son followed in him, and families like that, or a big wealthy families don't pass along adages to their kids. Do you think that's possible that the reason we're sitting where we're sitting is because family said, you know, whatever it is, I don't know, right? Like, there will come a time when you can grab more power because of a crisis, and when the crisis comes, you do all you can't because it will only last for so long. Even if so long is 10 years or two years or two days, you take what you can off people's fears because they will be irrational, and that's what you do. Yep. And 1984 actually spoke directly to this.

They broke it down once he was finally reading the book that you're not supposed to read, that laid out what the society was. And in that, they described the power of the government at that point was so ubiquitous and total because it wasn't tied to bloodlines. It was tied to ideology. And as long as the ideology survived the next generation, that's all that mattered. He said that previous generations and previous dictators and emperors and, you know, world conquerors were tied to blood. And there was like royal lineages. and there was, you know, you could crush an entire country by taking out their royal class. And the problem was what they needed was something that was ethereal because every man dies.

And so, yes, I believe that this stuff is passed down generationally from leader to leader who ends up taking up the rank. But I don't believe it's passed on because this is the family business, like it's a pizzeria and we got to continue business as usual. I think they honestly are in essentially a religion. And this is their belief system. This is their ideology that they believe is. true. And I don't think that it's malicious, to be honest. Like, people like Klaus Schwab, I've listened to his audiobooks, and I don't think that he's malicious. He, in his mind, is player one. He's the good guy. He's the one who's here to save humanity. And if 90% of us have to die for that to happen,

it's better than 100% of us. And there's a lot of evil logic that can be run that makes a lot of sense in a bad way. Do you ever listen to Dan Carlin? Yeah, hard core history. Exactly. One of the best podcasters of all time, in my opinion. And he has an episode, yeah, he has an episode I've listened to probably 15 times called Logical Insanity. And it covers how World War II went from the beginning of World War II, where it was nation fighting nation, to the end of World War II, where it was total war. And it was civilizations fighting each other, where it wasn't just soldiers on the battlefield, but we were intently and purposely firebombing civilian cities to more and more efficient manners. The more people we can burn this next bombing,

the better, these innocent men, women, and children. That's the goal now. And he said that nobody who's, you know, a conscious bearing person, somebody with a conscience and an ethic would ever do that. How did entire nations do that? I don't think that all these people were evil. And he ran it down in this very good podcast that turned it into a logical scenario, that this is actually logical, the insanity that we're perpetrating on each other. And it took. like maximum insanity with the dropping of the atom bombs to end the war finally in a situation where it was just brute force against brute force and how much more brute can you be? And like logic is a very dangerous tool. As much as it helps us progress through civilization and technology,

you look at people like Klaus Schwab and the W.E.F. who have these great grand ambitions of this great reset. And they aren't kidding when they're talking about this. This isn't just like a coffee room chat where they're like, wouldn't it be cool if? No, they've got multi-billionaires around the world like Bill Gates. They've got people in Hollywood like Leo DiCaprio. They got people in politics like Justin Trudeau. They've got people that matter. All around the world, they've got people embedded in politics. Absolutely. I mean, it's on their website. They aren't hiding this because they believe they're doing good. This is what's good for the human race. Well, I read his, I read his book The Great Reset, and, you know, I was expecting to see Fire and Brimstone.

Me too. And what came out of it was, yeah, some interesting ideas, actually. He's a deep thinker. But he also had some bad shit crazy stuff in there, and I was like, oh, that's a scary thought. It's just a scary thought. Yeah. But he's like, you know, I have this argument with one of my brothers all the time, that

if you had all the money in the world, right, you're brilliant. Like, I mean, you're Bill Gates, honestly, right? You look at problems and you go, I can solve this. I can solve world hunger. I can solve disease. I can solve, and I'm in a position of that I can do this. I can spend all my waking hours, reading books and trying to solve this problem. It just comes back to what he, what you said at the start. He thinks he's doing good. He just, he goes, I'm going to have to crack a few eggs to get there. And Canada, the world, COVID-19, they look at it like, what's one of the worst possible outcomes for the world? I'll tell you what, a giant disease goes through and wipes out and wipes out 99% of the population. That's the worst. Okay, how do we stop that? Well, we get everybody

tracked. We do this. So when we can lock down, we can lock down everybody. And then it doesn't get to survive. And you're like, if I'm sitting in his shoes, this will sound stupid to say. That sounds kind of logical yet the insanity of actual consequences of implementing that are what we're starting to see right like what have function research that's exactly the reason why they did it it wasn't because they wanted to make superbugs because they wanted to be prepared for if a superbug popped up yeah like it makes sense they're playing what do i joke about with a couple of guys they're playing in a different level than i am right like i'm sitting here and lloyd minster and having chats and trying to think about things, I just, I can't even begin to understand what some of the conversation in those

rooms is happening. One, just to be in the room, but two, like all the people in the room have the capability and we just saw it. That's the difference. To actually enact what they think. Me and you sit here and go back forth. I'm sorry, Drew, you're going to go home to your family and worry about, you know, the things that Drew worries about. I was going to take over Yugoslavia, but I guess I could do that too. Sean Newman is going to go back home Have as people probably can hear my voice I'm going to try and nurse a cold

I'm got a kids that are sick I got a wife that works I got I got I don't know everyday problems My thought isn't to go home And I'm going to take over Lloyd Minster then Alberta And this and this because it really needs to be this way And even if it was that my thought

I don't have the power and the capability to get it there One of the things that's great about an open, like, dialogue is I think most people are rational. And maybe I'm wrong on that. Chris Montoya professor always laughs when I say that. But like, I feel like I can hear crazy. And when I hear crazy, you just turn it off or you don't allow them to move up the ranks. But somehow that crazy has gotten into the ranks and it keeps moving up. And it keeps, oh, let's bring this crazy with us.

And now we're at a, we're at this, you know, it's interesting to bring up World War II. The nukes going off or the A-bombs in Hiroshima. Nagasaki, it's like ultimate, like, you can't overlook that bomb. Maximum catastrophe. Thank you. Maximum catastrophe. That's the words I was looking for. And you wonder what maximum catastrophe for this situation is going to be. Well, you brought up a really staunch point that is the one that changes my opinion. Look, I heard some tinfoil hat people talking about W.E.F a while ago, and I was like,

yeah, this is like the club of Rome kind of thing. is the Vilderbergs, this is the, you know, Masonic cultures. Like, there's all these terms. They're like, oh, yeah, you believe in that sort of stuff, whatever. But then I started hearing about it more and more. And then I started looking into who's actually behind it. And again, they're wide open with it because they're not ashamed of it. They actually think that they're doing good.

And I look at this list, and I'm like, if I were to put together the all-star team of the human race that could implement the things they're talking about, they already have them. Yeah. So the difference is the, the capability. of implementation is already there. So if they really believe that they want to do what they want to do, they're already doing it because they can. And that's that needs to be understood is that these people aren't just talking about this stuff. They're doing it real time. And I mean, I don't know

who's going to stop them at this point, but just the understanding that they're doing it is so important. Like you talked about Bill Gates and people who are otherworldly wealthy. And there's a strange thing that seems to happen. When you look around people like, Elon Musk, like Bill Gates, like people who are just stupid, stupid wealthy, is they tend to turn more and more towards altruism. They want to use their position that they've gained through however they got there to help humanity in their later age. They see the end of their lifetime coming and they want to do as much good for the world as possible. Now, if that becomes your goal as somebody with the wealth and means to do so, your decisions of what you decide is going to be

maximally altruistic will happen. They're going to happen. In Gates case, he's like vaccines for everyone, for every country, for everything, and that's his way that he's going to do it. And he's signed, as far as I understand, he's signed a pack with a bunch of other billionaires in the U.S. That has something to do with lifetime altruism where they will donate the remainder of their wealth after they die to these causes. So this isn't just in their lifetime. They are like planning to do it in perpetuity because their goal is more important than their life. And their means is what can help perpetrate their goal. Now, where do we get a say in that? We're the ones that are going to have to live through and possibly suffer through the consequences of their goals.

And if it is vaccines for all and their vaccine has nine pages of side effects on it and you end up getting paralyzed from the waist down, there you go. I mean, that's happening right now. And I think that it behooves people to understand the power that these people have. and to understand where we stand in it. Because this is the thing, as powerful as they are, their power came to them through the people. One dollar at a time, through capitalism, started getting them more and more and more and more and more and money.

And look, I don't hate that system. I love the system that you can, by the merit of your own works and innovation, can become incredibly wealthy. Great. Anybody can do that. I love it. But at the same time,

to be able to put a check on that is going to be reliant on the population again. because what's always stopped tyranny. It's not one person, it's all the people. It takes an uprising like in France to bring the guillotine out and kill the upper class. You know, it takes... You said that one got out of hand. Everything gets a little out of hand.

But it wouldn't, I mean, how much more out of hand would have been if it was perpetual feudalism? You know, like when it becomes, when it comes time for people to stop something, it is the group of people that will do it, which is why it's so dangerous for people who are in power to allow that to happen. They need to put these checks in place as much as they can and have these shepherds and have people censor themselves, by the way, nowadays. That's the thing that has changed the game is it's so hard, like YouTube, to take down everybody manually, to look out there who's saying bad words like vaccine and COVID. We've got to make sure they all get taken down manual. No, it's never going to work. They're going to set up a system that does it for them.

And in society right now, the system is you and me and our neighbors. We are censoring ourselves so that the government doesn't have. have to have something to censor us. We'll do it because we're worried about saying these things. They make them anethema. They make them faux paugh. And therefore, they stop any major grassroots swelling movement before it starts because people aren't talking to each other. They aren't allowing themselves to have these open conversations. But the moment they do, we have trucks running from Vancouver to Ottawa. You see? It's the people that come together that makes the power to actually change what's going on in the world. And we need to remember that that's,

We're the majority. And they're supposed to represent us. And if they don't represent us, we're still the majority. And I wonder if they didn't take it just a step too far. Because the longer they held on to COVID, vaccines, the more people did start talking in an underground fashion. That's why when the truckers went, such a movement followed them. Because it wasn't, from my understanding, they had tried to do similar kind of things with trucks in a convoy I mean here in Canada you just got to go back to the yellow vest one they did

right and it like hit this peak tide or the crest of the wave or whatever you want to call it where when they started going enough people had been talking for enough time that when we all saw that we went that's it that's the time that rate that like as soon as I interviewed Chris Barbara mine it hadn't hit anywhere in Alberta yet like geez I don't even know if it had left yet. I was like, huh, I couldn't get it out of my head. I'm like, I've been saying to everyone on this podcast up until the trucker convoy is we've got to find a way to unite all the tribes. We just, like, to me, it's just a fraction, like you got, you know, your pilots for freedom, and I apologize because somebody from the pilots, less will be listening and I just got their name,

I butcher their name, I'm sorry. But you got all these different groups. And the problem is, is they're all doing great things. That's not the problem. They're doing great things. The problem is, they're all fractioned. Yeah. As long as they do that, it doesn't mean a hill of beans. And the trucker convoy brought together not only all those fractionated, fractioned,

um, unvaccinated groups. I mean, majority, that's what they were. It also brought in all the people who were vaccinated and are upset, right? It brought in everyone.

It didn't just bring in one walk of life. It brought it. What they tried to frame it as was these are all unvaccinated. half the people that led the damn convoy were vaccinated, right? Like this wasn't unvaccined versus a vaccine or vaccinated versus unvaccin. This was the people versus tyranny. Yeah. And as soon as people saw it going, they're like, that's it.

And the cool thing I was saying to Van Crow was, in Canada, it's kind of like this table. We got one road. So you got to witness it the entire way. And people knew where to go because it isn't all over the country. It's one road. And so people went to the road. And the more it grew, the more people understood that this is it. Like this right here is it.

And I wonder under that thought process if there won't be another this is it moment in the future where you just recognize, because those groups aren't going away. Like all these little fractionated groups do even podcasts, right? The Sean Newman podcast, through Weatherhead. All these little podcasts that are starting up are kind of the same thing.

When an idea catches on, it's quick now. Because the network, honestly, I didn't, you know, In war, you want communication to get out real fast. How do you do that, right? It ain't Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan, you know, although he mentions the convoy, he didn't go see what the convoy was. He certainly probably was told he had to be careful there because why his following and everything else, and it's in a different country and its attack in the government or however they framed it,

I can imagine how difficult that the situation he's become to navigate things. He's bigger than CNN right now. Yeah. You know what was the most magical part of the convoy for me? Was? You touched, was. Yeah. It wasn't once they got to Ottawa and they had the whole party there with the bouncy castles and the raves. And that looked like fun and all. But the thing that brought me and my wife to tears on multiple occasions watching from the U.S. was the procession from one side of the country to the other. and watching all these nameless overpasses filled with Canadian flags and people out there in 40 below weather, waving them with their kids.

And that brought so much hope to us. We were like, maybe when we have to go back to Canada, it's going to be different. This is a possible change. Like I never felt that during the whole pandemic. It was always just depressing, depressing, depressing, depressing, worse and worse and worse. And then finally I saw like, this is us. This is Canada. This is what they're not trying to show us,

desperately trying not to show us. And it is at every single overpass along the entire trans fucking Canada highway. That was amazing. A seven-hour drive took us 18, 17 hours. Because there was so many, and I don't mince, I wish I could have filmed, I should have taken a GoPro or something, right?

It wasn't like it was a million people along the road. I don't want to act like I'm blowing this up. But in the same token, a seven-hour drive took us 17. And I recall one stop along there, like where you actually stopped, got out, and whatever. The rest of it was so slow because there was so many people bottlenecking the road. Like, I drove those 17 hours, and it was fun yet stressful. By hour 17, I'm like, man, I just don't want to kill anyone because it's just, it was the coolest thing I've ever seen. I started calling it the pilgrimage to Ottawa because,

What was happening was the journey was just as special as the end. And you pointed out that for you and a lot of Canadians, the journey was more incredible than actually being in Ottawa. And like people around, right, in the United States, if you're sitting in Texas, you go, yeah, Canada's cold. Yeah, I get it. It's going on there. That journey there, there were days, like the end of that final push,

what was the little place outside of Ottawa we staged at? I'm earned prior. It's like 10 o'clock at night. It is minus 30. And you think, oh, maybe the people have all gone to bed because they're tired of waiting for this thing. And you'll go around an ass corner, and there'll be another hundred.

All bundled up with fires raid on the shoulder of the road. They didn't have to be told either. No. They're waiting for you. They were told it's coming. I mean, this isn't organized by Chris Barber. You know what I mean? No, everybody's falling on.

everybody's live stream. The CBC, from what I understand is they showed up in Winnipeg, made life a little bit difficult, not the CBC, but parts of whatever, tried framing it in a certain way, blah, blah, blah, blah. From when we caught up to him in Ontario to Ottawa, the only time I saw a news crew was an armed prior at the staging thing. No decals on anything. It wasn't like, I have no idea of his CBC. In Ottawa, I only saw one. They had some security. They had no CBC or anything on. So I just, I label it CBC because at that point, if you won't tell me who you are, you're worried about what's going to happen, which is funny because in that place, I don't think anything would have happened. But that, that's the way

they approached it. These people are extremists. Well, that's what they're being told, right? So the only way to figure out what was going on the road was to see all the videos. And the videos are like, unbelievable. The amount of people that had the same reaction as you did, I did, driving in it like that was I keep saying the CBC and all the major news outlets missed the biggest event Canada in my lifetime has ever seen this is bigger than any gold medal win by Sidney Crosby and let me tell you that that was a fun moment for a hockey guy right like that was cool the Raptors win in the NBA yeah that was unbelievable who doesn't remember Clyle Leonard's shot and the buzzer beater and Wow, this tops all that, and they didn't come and film any of it.

Like, I got a guy coming on next week. And his team was in Ottawa for the entire duration, and they had, I forget if it's Freedom Comboy, Andrew Pelosi, anyways, he's coming on, and he's doing a documentary on it. And I can just imagine the footage that's going to be in there, and the commentary is going to be unbelievable. I've seen some teasers for it. It's already, like, gives me goosebumps looking at it. Well, because they have everything.

Like and that will probably make his career and the CBC could have had it all their CBC They could have been like literally they got people platooned everywhere and they weren't they weren't there to see the people like handing out You know they had nothing to give so what did they give food right? Because no one should have an empty stomach Yep and the same way when when powers make their move they expose themselves when they don't move it also exposes them like them not covering this that exposed them oh I see what side you're on or what side you don't want me to be on. You know, that's, it, it reveals themselves and, and their stance on things. Speaking of, um, of cross country treks, have you been following James Top? Yes.

And I literally just got a text from, I don't know, was it as Handler, his person? So I'm hoping to get him on very soon. Yeah. I know I've had a ton of people reaching out that you need to get this eye on. You need to get it. Because he's walking Canada and he's not just walking. He's marching. He's rucked up.

Yes. And he's in Saskatchewan through. I mean, you got to see the weather. I meant to lead off with that. Like, you pretty much drove through. I mean, the blizzard last night was wild. But here we are in good old Canada where it's, what is it? It's April 20th.

And we just got like 10 centimeters. 15. It's like half a foot. Yeah, of snow, right? Like it dumped on us. It's the most snow I've seen all year. And I say that kind of boasting because it's the first time. As a Canadian, I've missed the world.

winter but yeah yeah so James Topp yeah like I'm hoping to get him on I think what he's what he's rolling across Canada doing is another slower version of the truckers except you won't get a million people walking behind him across Canada just time duration probably all that but it is interesting to watch his the following grow on him so to speak to the previous point about CBC missing their opportunity. This is a real life in real time Terry Fox happening right now for a totally different reason, but it's happening and it should be impossible for a human to do what he's doing. His feet should be hamburger by now. It doesn't make sense that he can do it and he's going to do it. And this whole story is not only not being talked about is being ignored, it's being censors, being muted. And he's going to make it to Ottawa and get to the whatever it is, the monument of the unnamed soul. soldier. And there is a giant swelling right now in the veteran community of Veterans for Freedom. Have you heard of this? Yes. Yeah, that they are going to meet him with pride and it is going to be, it could be a seminal

moment in Canadian history that will not, I guarantee you, be covered on CBC. What does that tell you? Yeah, well, that just shows once again what they want, do and do not want you to hear and see. The thing about James Toppe, I don't know if you go back to his. earlier videos. I feel like it's funny what purpose does to a person, but he almost looks I don't know if youngers or healthier or something, right? Like, he's got life.

He's got life. And that is, when you got that sense, man, like that direction, that's a cool, scary thing. Like, it depends which side of the coin you sit on that one, right? Like, if you're the government or if you're the people, that's kind of what I mean by that comment.

Because, like, watching him become what he's becoming is very interesting. And I think it's like, I don't know, added years to his life or taking wrinkles out of his face. I don't know what it is, but I'm like, man, there's a guy that if his foot tomorrow broke, he'd find a way to just keep labor on. He'll splint it up and keep going. And keep going. Guarantee it. Right? Like, yeah, he's a really cool story. And I hope, well, for you as well, I hope we both get them because, and I'm sure we will, because that, that's a guy that isn't getting CBC attention. He's getting the, the underground group of podcasters that are

talking about things that are happening here in Canada are staring at them going like this is a really cool story yeah and it's it's our honor to be able to cover it the cbc is missing out i don't care that they're missing out i think that this gives us the opportunity to show like one of the coolest moments happening in canada right now so by all means we should be doing that this is they're literally missing terry fox right now because they don't want to i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to watch this guy you know like go look at all the videos of terry fox limping across canada they are covered with giant cameras around him at all times and vans following him and it was a huge deal the whole time he's got a monument in ottawa where james top is going to end up and these guys are like

not talking about it i i mean they're giving us gold to cover this for you want some gold yeah we got too much we don't like this we like this paper currency hey we like this paper stuff you guys take all that that yellow stuff we don't want it anymore i want to talk to you a little bit maybe flip the script since I'm also the podcaster on the podcast here. I'm curious how it's been for you now that you're full time. Like this is a really cool thing that you're doing right now. I'm in a legitimate studio here in Lloydminster with a guy that doesn't have to worry about a day job to do his side hobby. This is now your day job.

I know you've talked about on a few podcasts, but I am interested myself because for me, it's just, I've syncing money into my podcast. I don't make any money. I don't really care to make any money. It's not what it's about. I just like doing it. I enjoy it and I'm having, I'm learning more from it than I have without it and I would do it if I wasn't making money if I was. But for you, now like it's interesting that this has finally become a legitimate vocational option.

So now from the other side, I know it's still fresh, but I want to hear from you. Like what, what is it like for you? Well, without the podcast, I don't know what becomes of me through COVID. And I mean that very seriously. I'm a social guy. I like meeting new people. Like the fact that we somehow met up and I got to talk to you and now we get to meet in person and like that that's like my life. I love meeting new people.

I love talking deep, complex things out. I can't sit here and say I'm the greatest at it. I can just say that I really, really enjoy listening and hearing people's thoughts out. Good or bad, even if I don't agree with them. I'm just like, hmm, that's interesting how your brain sees something I don't see, right? So I would say that going full time You know Three years ago

I would have laughed like I I started just the same way I think you did right Like I think like I've always wanted to be in radio And so I'm like ah I wonder if I could try this podcasting out Well pretty soon like the I don't know what a drug addict Feels like getting drugs But like podcasting is a drug to me It's something that just like man I it doesn't

matter who you sit across me, I enjoy it. And so the fact that I get to Sam, full-time podcast is really cool. I can't tell you how excited I am when I'm like, what are you doing today? Like to my kids, instead of saying, well, I'm going to work and then tonight I'm going to go podcasting and like, oh, podcast and confusing them. I'm like, I'm going to work. Oh, you're going to talk to some people? Yeah, that's right. I am going to talk to some people. And so like that's like, that means a world to me. It also means that, you know, I spend, I always wanted to have Zubi on. And I just didn't know the right way to, I don't know, find it, right? Within the first two weeks of going full time, I got to stare at the problem a little more clearly because I had more time and I got Zubi,

you know? And I'm like, oh, this is going to be fun because I got a list. And I've been trying to figure out how to get them, but like in my spare time, at weird times. And I just go, I'll get to it, you know, or it's too big or whatever. And it's like, no, they're all problems. They all have keys. You just have to find a way to unlock it. And so like that part of going full time, I'm really excited to see where it goes because I have a lot of time, which weirdly enough, you'd think being full time, the days would be so long. And it's funny how time just slips out of your bloody fingers all the time. And when, you know, this week I have six podcasts I'm doing, which is, I love it, but it chews up time too, right? Prap everything. Just, you know,

like I hadn't, I was joking with you before I started. I hadn't had the studio really cleaned up in a while because the only people who come in to use it were the brothers. I'm like, you're not getting a clean studio, but you know, anyways. So overall, like, I don't know, I don't know. When I was a kid, I wanted to be an NHL player. that didn't happen I did get to pay I did get one of my checks off I got paid to play hockey

in Finland that was really fulfilling and this is that on steroids I didn't think I'd enjoy anything more than hockey and for some reason this

like really deep down somewhere in the core of me this is like what I don't know meant to do what I've always wanted to do and I just didn't realize it like sitting and hearing people and meeting people and hearing stories and working out problems and talking about things like oh yeah I'm enjoying this I'm first of all very happy to hear that but also not even a little bit surprised um you said you've been listening to a few of my podcast recently did you listen to the one called mind of an aunt yes yeah so this is exactly that is for people who haven't heard that I have this idea theory in my head that I've been running for I don't know like six or eight months at this

point, but trying to fill it out. And basically, I was wondering one day looking at some ants why they're doing what they're doing. Like, are they just automaton's? Do they have the entire understanding of the colony that they have to keep this structure built? And I believe, without knowing anything about it, but I believe that if I were an ant, if I put myself into their body, a single solitary one, they probably don't believe that they are a colony. They probably don't even know that what they're supposed to do for any given day, they just go out and do it. And I think that the reason they do is because they would rather do nothing else in the world. It's probably the thing they would love to do more than anything.

And whether or not they understand the grander scheme of why that is, if we transpose that into the human experience, if you can find something that you would rather do more than anything in the world, I believe full stop, that's what you're supposed to be doing. Because nothing's going to stop you. If you're able to, you should be doing it. And I know that that comes across as a little bit privileged for people to have a full day job and a family and the whole thing. But I'm telling you you can too. It starts as a side hobby.

It starts as a side hustle. But feed the urge. Like don't let it dwindle and die and become this, you know, I've worked in the trades for 15 years and I saw nothing but shells of human beings who gave up on their dreams. Most people don't want to do what they're doing in the oil field. That's just a fact. They're there for the money. They're there because, you know, whatever they didn't have enough education to get a desk job or they didn't want to and they

decided to turn tools and they become miserable by about 40 and they become just decrepit by age 50. And I talked to so many people when I was welding that was like, what do you actually like doing? And this one friend of mine that I talked to a lot, he's like, man, I really like carpentry at home. Like I'm a welder, but I really like building small furniture and little desk things. And like nothing that would make me a lot of money, but I, when I'm home, even after a 12-hour work shift, I want to do that for like four hours in the garage. I don't have to. I'm not being paid to.

I'm like, man, you should actually look at that as your side hustle until you make money, not because you make money. Like, do it until you make money. And eventually it will flip for you. And you can do it instead of the thing you hate to do that's making money. And that's what it ended up being for me in this weird kind of, I was kind of forced into it. I was kind of fledged out of the nest, kicked out of the nest and had to learn how. how to fly on the way down as I lost my job welding, but ended up getting a bit of a severance

through it that I put into building my business to go full-time doing jiu-jitsu. And I couldn't be happier with the way it went, even though COVID crushed that. And it ended up being a different thing where I learned how to do e-commerce and learned how to do jih Tjitsu online and sell people instructional instead of having an in-person dojo where they came and train and now the same thing I feel is happening with podcasting where I just I've got six podcasts this week and like three of them are other people's podcasts three of them are my own podcast and I feel like I want to book some more you know like I couldn't be happier I'm not getting paid I'm literally paying hundreds of dollars a month to get this stuff out there and I couldn't be happier I don't even look at

that on my bank account bill that's is like I would spend it on something anyways this is the best thing I could do it on so I'm really happy to hear that's the same for you man you You just said a lot. Okay. So I would say, let me think about this. One of the things that I didn't do right at the very start was go, I can't wait to make money on this. How can I make money on this? I'm going to make so much money on this. Even now I don't do that. Now it's different because it's full time and I got to make sure that I don't bleed myself dry, so to speak. And I think I've given myself a window of opportunity. And if you went back three years ago and said, Sean, I'm going to give you a window of opportunity.

It's only going to last so long, and if you don't find the necessary people to support that or businesses or what have you, then you're going to go back to your day job. I would have taken that gladly. So I'm happy where I'm at in that. It's a window of opportunity, and I've built it over three years. For people who are thinking about whatever their hobby is, it can always just be a hobby. I mean, you know, working at Baker, where I was, was a ton of fun. I really enjoyed the relationships there for a long time.

I really enjoyed the work, sales, whatever. I thought I had the best job in the oil field. And for me, podcasting in the very beginning was a cool, like, you know, I got my senior hockey jersey up on the wall. For a long time, that was my hobby. It was like playing senior hockey, trying to bring it in Saskatchewan. There was like this crazy lore of senior hockey.

It's almost bigger than the NHL, and it's hard to explain. But for me, that was my hobby. Every night I would strategize during the day sometimes. But as I got older, I knew I couldn't do that anymore. Like I got young kids, my body isn't nearly what it was, and I'm going to have to adjust. And that's when podcasting kind of started to approach it as an opportunity. And I approached it as like, listen, the first couple of guests I had, Drew, were a good friend. My next guest couldn't make it, so I called up my dad and like, you want to come sit on a podcast?

because I don't do what you do. I always admire people who can monologue. I've never been great at it. I don't even know if I enjoyed doing it. Anyways, my third one was a guy who helped set up the audio equipment the first time. He's like, ah, you can never, you can't have just anyone on a podcast. I laugh at him. I guarantee it.

I can never have me. You'll be guest three. That's how it started, right? And of course, by episode 100 and onwards, you get the Don Cherry, the Ron McLean guys like that. And it grew. but like people put all these crazy even myself will put all these like crazy like okay the only way I can ever do this is if I get to that mountain top way over there that is extremely unrealistic you know you want to be Elon Musk well tomorrow is not like snap a finger in your Elon Musk

I mean like you got to do some things and you got to put yourself in some situations and you got to get uncomfortable and I know all that sounds like oh easy to do but like one of my biggest fears And I'm sure you can relate because, I mean, you picked up your entire family. We heard and moved to the States. It's like, if you're a young listener and you're not married and you don't have kids, literally go do what you want to do. Just jump into it. And if you're good at it, it'll figure itself out.

If you don't like it, that's going to figure itself out real quick. Like a bunch of these things can figure out as you get older. One of the things I agree with Joe on the wall there about is it gets, It's tougher to do that because I literally have to go like, like, am I going to do this? Am I going to leave a full-time job when I got kids, a wife, bills, you know, responsibility, and people are going to stare at you kind of strange because, you know, as many people are happy about it,

I got people like, you're going to do what? Like, you're nuts. Oil's at $100 barrel. Didn't you realize? Gas is through the roof. You're going to have to pay for that. Oh, no shit, right? Like, you're going to have to pay for your own phone.

You're going to have to pay for this. You're going to have to pay for that. I mean, the oil field, one of the hardest things to leave is I imagine being like the CEO of a company or something. You make so much good money, the benefits, the security, everything is just there to hold you there. It's logical. It's logical. It's logical insanity. Yes, it is.

And yet, I agree with you. As time goes on, you get older and older, and it gets harder and harder to go actually pursue what you want to do. And it's not saying you can't. Doesn't mean at 50 years old, 70 years old, you couldn't start a podcast. You certainly can't. It's never too late. It's just there's something about youthful and exuberance, maybe you'll even even a little stupidity or being naive, green,

that kind of gives you like this idea that I can conquer the world, and I'm going to go out. And if you knew the world, maybe you wouldn't do that. Naivity is a superpower. I think people underrate it. I think that overthinking probably stops. some of the best people that could do the greatest things in human history from doing them. There was something that you said we had to talk about on the podcast.

I might as well bring it up about the ability to run a podcast anywhere, anytime, no matter what your equipment is. So I've been doing podcasts in some way, shape, or form since, like, I was trying to find the original one. I think it was like 2013. Oh, geez. Oh, yeah, like just minor stuff. It was never like a, this is the most I've done up to this point.

But, I mean, I've had probably four or five different types of podcasts. Most of them are, like, cycled around jujitsu because that was my sphere. That was my work. That was my major hobby. The podcast before the one I'm doing now was with a co-host, Jamie Kielstein, who's a popular comedian down in the U.S. He's been on Joe Rogan a couple times. And we had guests on there, like, we had top name MMA guys on there.

It had like Jake Shields. We had Carlos Condit. I got, my favorite guests I was most proud of is we got Russell Peters. the comedian on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And we got an interview with him. It was wild. It was from his mansion and like Chuck Liddell walks in and says hi during the clip. It was wild. Right. So like in some ways, I was already further than I ever thought I would be in podcasting before the one that I'm doing now where I, we ended that one. I broke off from that one. Why did you break off from that? It was just interpersonal things. There was, it, it was a weird time to be honest. This was at the

beginning of the pandemic and my business was in flux and there was chaos at home. And it was. It was like it was a lot to maintain. And it was the most professional version of a podcast I had. We had a sponsor that was paying us thousands of dollars a month to do it. And we had like obligations and certain amount of things to do. And it was a full time job. Well, my full time business was struggling. So it was really hard for me to maintain.

And it just felt like I need to shave something off or else I'm going to snap. So it wasn't really my, my co-host's fault. It wasn't my fault. It was just that I feel like the time and the strain broke me at that time. But I came back to it to speak to something you had talked about because COVID and the lockdowns once my gym was fully locked out, I was still there like six to eight hours a day because it was my job. I'm still paying for the place. I pay for the overhead. I got this empty building and you get done your taxes and you get done your paperwork pretty fast when you think it was only two weeks and suddenly you're three months in and you're like, what?

Twiddling your thumb is like, what am I doing? And I realized that I hadn't talked to people that weren't. in my immediate household for months. Like I hadn't talked to people. Like, even just going to Tim Horton's was faux pa. You know what I mean? Just going through the drive-thru and with your mask on was like, you know, hopefully nobody sees me kind of thing.

Yeah. You know, we were in lockdown. You know, we weren't allowed. There was fines like $1,000 a person if you were at somebody's house. And I was getting to the point that I, I didn't have my podcast anymore and I didn't have my students anymore. So I had nobody to talk to. And I just started it because I was like,

I just need to talk to a damn human, you know? And like hear some other people's opinions on stuff just for the sake of like feeling like I'm a community again. And so that's what started my podcast that I'm running now, which was again started as a Jiu-Jitsu podcast. It was branded off of my online presence because Jitsu, which is my meme page. That's all Jiu-Jitsu based. And going forward up to recently, I ended up rebranding it into what it is now called the

social disorder podcast in the middle of February with an episode I titled Elephant in the Room. And it gets, it got to a point that you can only talk about jujitsu so many times before you've talked about everything you can talk about. And it just felt contrived. It felt like, well, I got to put a podcast out. What the hell am I going to talk about this time? Is there somebody that did something interesting in the last week I can talk about and make it, make it seem like I'm interested? And then I was like, most of what I'm talking to people about that isn't on a podcast is stuff I'm not supposed to be talking about publicly. God damn it, I'm just going to talk about it publicly.

And this elephant in the room needs to be talked about. And I was blown away at the response that I got from it. It's the same way that nobody knew how many Canadians were going to support the convoy until they started seeing the overpasses filled with people with flags. I didn't realize how many people were finally relieved to hear that, oh, God, finally, somebody said the thing. thing? Oh, finally. All right. Can we all, are we, are we doing this now? Are we allowed to say the thing now? And again, like feeling that that purpose calling at that point that's like, I got to do this,

A, because I love it, B, because I missed it, C, because it completes me. And D, because other people are like thankful. Like, I get constant messages now. And I'm not doing it for the props. I'm not doing it for the fame. I'm literally not doing it for the money. It's just like, we, we, we, We vibe, you know? Like, there's so many people that are like, it's so basic, man. All we're doing is talking. And it's like half of what you could say in the English language

hasn't been allowed for two years. Hasn't been allowed for longer than that, right? The more the craziness of the world picked up, the less we're allowed to say. That's been going on for, I don't know, like I assume you follow Jordan Peterson. We don't have to go very far back. I mean, far enough back, 2015, 2014, whatever it is.

I mean, you go back further to his lecture series, you understand he was ruffling feathers for a while. I think what, what's kind of got to this point is a censorship, you know, like, it was, you know, I was joking with you to start with Ron McLean on things he can and cannot say in the CBC, right? And like things like ladies and gentlemen, right? Like, that's where we're at on a national level, on like a national broadcast. me and you doesn't mean I'll be as polished certainly doesn't mean I won't say some stupid shit

I will and probably you will too and the thing is is we get to talk though and I'm not censoring anything I'm letting as you the word you threw out was flow like there's just there's a certain flow to podcast that allow you to explore an idea

and not for two minutes on a on a CBC oh we're going to do this and we're going to whatever or even a panel where where, you know, for 10 minutes, they have some really brilliant guests on, but they're constrained to certain ways they talk about things. You get them on this, and you get to rift off each other. You get to go full back and forth. You know, my parents, I was on Easter, I don't know why I was doing this,

but I was like, you know, I want a new playlist on Spotify. I'll enjoy music. And so I'm like, I want it to be kind of like classical. And my brain classics are like CCR and, I don't know. You get the point. Neil Young. The moat starts to the 80s.

That's right. Anyway, so I googled top 100 songs, and it gave me 100, geez, what's the big magazine, music magazine? I'm forgetting its name right now. Rolling Stone. Rolling Stones. Top 100 musicians, or what have you. So I started going, I started going through that, and like, I fuck it.

I forgot completely what I was going to talk about. This happens. This is normal. Well, you remember, it will come back to you, I guarantee it, and feel free to just jump in when it does. But something that you were talking about just a second ago was, like, the person-to-person interactive conversations that you have with people that are off of these mainstream media outlets where... I know what I was going to say. Jump in. I was going to say that what I said to my dad was like, man, there was so many.

many good musicians that came out of like, I don't know, the 60s to the early 90s, late 80s. And what they got to do is they got to play music that kind of mattered. You listen to music now. I'm not saying there isn't good music now. I'm just saying like... It's not Woodstock. That's right. And what podcasting is, what feels like to me, is music from back then, right? Where you get to have meaningful dialogue and conversation and you get to, like, you get to say something really stupid. really stupid and then be like what why say that oh what I was meaning was and you get to you get to work on it and people who listen to a two hour podcast understand that that chances are when they say something they're going to be grilled on it and they're getting to expand on their thought that's why

jordan peterson is so fantastic on a podcast horrendous in like a two-minute interview or a newspaper interview where they just put the headline out you're like why did he say that then he goes on joe rogan And you're like, oh, that kind of makes sense. That's a terror. And Joe's right. You should never do short form interviews, Jordan. That's very, very true. To me, that's what podcasting is.

Podcasting is like music of the 70s, 80s. Because when you go back and listen to that music, you're like, wow, this is, this is talent, like extreme talent. You know, like Colter Wall in Saskatchew. I don't know if you know who Colter Wall is. You got to do a little dig. He's like Johnny Cash. Okay. He's got this voice when you see him.

like, all right. And then he starts singing, like, who is this guy? That to me is like, the reason why it's unbelievable is in today's world, we don't have that. Or maybe we're starting to find that again. Everything is, I like technical music or rap, not even rap. Zubi's a rapper, and I've listened to a bunch of his stuff and it's great. We've gotten to where like, people don't actually sing at concerts. They just lip sync. And you're like, well, is that really music, right? Yeah. Going into a studio and getting everything fine-tuned and, and, you're And so I don't even know if it's your voice anymore. Or is it like having somebody riffed on a guitar for like, you know,

one of the bands, one of Dad's favorites is the Eagles, right? Like a little Hotel California or something where they're like, get into it. You're like, man, they just, what band does that right now? I mean, I'm sure there are, but I don't know. Anyway, that's why I was bringing it into podcast. Yeah, it's gate kept right now. There's gatekeepers that only allow what they want to allow through. And to speak again to what I was saying before you remembered your thought,

which actually is like kind of the same thing you were saying. is when you have these people that are from like the gate kept community of a verbal transmission of thoughts. So it's hockey night in Canada here and blah blah blah blah. They got the radio voice and they're only allowed to say what's on the cue cards. That only works in the suspension of disbelief universe where you can sit down in front of the TV with a beer and just sort of turn your brain off and let them blah blah blah blah blah blah. When you go to talk to a human being in real life, nobody talks like that. In fact, if they did, you would walk away slowly backing out of the room. Like, something's wrong with you.

What people want is, like, the conversations they have at work, the conversations they have at lunch, the conversations they have over at the dinner table, like just people talking to people. And like, you're allowed to be wrong. In fact, you expect that you're going to rally back and forth with some ideas. You're not trying to be perfect and polished. In fact, again, it would be weird if you were. You know, you bringing up all your podcasting experience. Then have you found it interesting when people are like, geez, you sound exactly like you do on the podcast? I'm like, well, yeah, I don't create a voice for the podcast.

This is my voice. Actually, one of the things early on I was very happy to hear is that I supposedly have a voice for radio, which is cool. Like people don't get annoyed when I talk, which is lovely. But so many of them are surprised. Oh, geez, you sound like you do on the podcast. I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't, I didn't go to voice training school. I didn't go like alter my voice. I literally started talking and this is how it comes out, folks.

Well, it's weird because especially if you listen to enough hours of the same person without actually meeting them, and then you see them in real life, who's like, oh man, this is weird. It is kind of weird because they're more real than they've ever been, but they sound the same as they ever have. This happened when I went to a Joe Rogan concert or a comedy. Yeah, a stand up thing where I just, the first time I heard his voice come over the mic, I'm like, oh shit he's actually here like that's him that's what he sounds like that's so weird because it's just been in my ears for years and now he's like on the stage a hundred feet away and it's yeah it almost like it brings some some volume and some color to the real world it's like ah you know

I'm not living in a fantasy you know this is how people actually are and this is what again I think vibes so much for people listening to podcast now is it's it's not weird in this in the in the radio world and in the CBC world, it's weird to have conversations more than five minutes without a commercial break. It's weird to go off script. This is stuff that doesn't happen, but only in that universe. Everybody they're talking to lives outside of that universe. So there are people. They're who we're talking to. This is how we communicate. And so it shouldn't be strange that long-form conversation should be the norm, because that is the norm. It's not normal to have five-minute conversations that go nowhere and are all superficial. We talk about what's

going on in the world and what the hell do you think about this? Isn't this crazy? this guy's doing that and this is how we talk you know it shouldn't be strange in fact this is bound to take over the the legacy media it just is it yeah if it ever was a question of will people listen to three hour podcasts like do people like talking at parties yeah it will of course it will i think it surprised a lot of people maybe even myself right like if you go back to when i whenever you found you know like dan carlin let's go dan literally talks to himself for like, geez, that World War I is what? 12 hours, been six podcasts or something?

I think it's more than that. I think it's like 16 or 20 hours. I think they're four-hour podcasts and there's four or five of them. And like, if you threw that idea at the wall and say, I wonder if that'll fly. I would have laughed and be like, and then you start listening to Dan talking.

Oh, I don't know. And he throws a couple thoughts in there. And then he goes, but these are my thoughts, right? And you're like, yeah, fair. And he's got a wonderful voice. And he's got a, you know, obviously he's got a team that really helps him construct the scenario and the key points. And he's got a good enough brain on how to stay on a script, but not completely on a script. It's like wildly good.

And I think like, I think back to the first podcast I heard, Joe Rogan, and I want to say Jordan Peterson. I want to say Jordan Peterson, but I could be wrong on that. And I was like, this is. And I couldn't put the finger to. it like my finger on what it was like how good it was but I think this is this is good and I didn't I didn't go searching for I remember thinking Joe Rogan the guy from Fear Factor I remember that like I'm not listening that no you got it you got to you got to try it out I'm not doing it and then you turn it on you're like oh man this is like music in my ears like this is

unbelievable and that's been such a there be a ton of people like you drew that went oh I don't know why this would shock so many people, but I hear over and over again how many people are surprised that they enjoy it so much and then do it like doing dishes. Like I started, you know, I'll flick on a podcast now doing dishes, walking the dog. Yeah, same. Sometimes, weirdly enough, I'll fall asleep to Jordan Peterson when I've had a stressful day and I just need a calming voice to talk about something that I'm interested in and somehow he does that. Buck Martinez, hopefully he gets over his cancer with the Blue Jays. You know what I'm talking about? No idea. Buck Martina, oh man.

I don't sports. I only martial arts. Okay, well, Buck Martinez got diagnosed with cancer. He's left the Blue Jays. He's been doing their broadcast since like 87. You needed a Sunday afternoon nap. You just sit there and he's got this methodical voice and just, oh, great.

You wake up for the ninth inning, see the end, and you're like, man, that was great. Thanks, Buck. And now he's not doing it. Anyways, I think podcasting surprised a ton of people. Not in the sense that they didn't want it, just in the sense that, for, so much of our life we want things that are fast like and lots of images right they want to turn on a TV and we want like I don't know things to move quickly right a show to move quickly and

never get too in depth and we hit a we hit a point where they stop talking about anything like you go back in Don Cherry and Rah McLean they really used to talk about some things and get in trouble all the time really and I'm not sitting here saying they got super indebt but they'd be told they're not allowed to talk about, I don't know, war in Iraq or something, and they would do it, and then they'd get shit for it. And then, you know, they'd come back on. And then Don Cherry would start talking about women not paying attention to hockey. And I'm not saying that they should air everything and be allowed to talk about everything.

But it was a show. And by the end, by the end it wasn't. And now when you flick on... What did he get canceled for? I don't even remember. For saying you people. Oh, wow. You people not wearing the poppy.

He was talking about, you know, it got slimmed down to immigrants, right? You people not wearing the poppy, come here and drink our milk and honey and, you know. And Don Cherry, if you go back through, he always said you people. And that's what Don Cherry was pulling in the air to do, was to direct. He was. Do you feel like they wanted to get rid of them when they were looking for something? 100%. Because that's what it sounds like to me.

It doesn't sound like, oh, my God, everybody in Canada needs to get rid of this guy. And we're all together on this. It was probably like the company's like, there, we have a green light. We can't get them. I bet you a CBC would tell you, the heads of it were saying, we've been trying to get rid of Don Cherry for 10 years. And finally, public opinion had swayed far enough that they could. What I keep telling Ron is they are the two sides of society.

Ron is the, you've got to be politically correct at all times. You've got to talk about inclusivity and gender equality and all that stuff. And Dawn was a blue collar. No, we're going to tell it how it is, and if you don't like it, suck it. And they found a way to work together. Those are the best teams are a dichotomy, right? Right. And by them canceling Dawn on Remembrance Day of No Other Day in the world.

That's rough. They gave a green light, in my opinion, to cancel all that side. Because in Canada, they were larger than life. That was Saturday night. Those two. everybody tuned into it towards the end maybe not as much and yes by the end dawn was getting old and he should have had a serenated song and they should have just curtain called them and been done with it but the way they did it is is accelerated where we're at because that is the two sides it's like does it make

ron a horrendous human being well a lot of people now would say he left his friend but that's the two sides of the coin that they were one side was we're going to talk about some things and you're not gonna like it because I'm gonna cut through the bullshit and the other one's gonna try and dance the song the way society dances because there's lots of good things that come from both sides now we just have the one side yeah and if you flick on what is it now sports nets you know roundtable with all the the cast of characters they have it isn't entertaining anymore like they I don't even know what they talk about and somebody is going no it's it's okay it's like oh it's okay it isn't good it isn't good television you want to have

some people talk about some things and sorry this is a long-winded rant on basically what I'm getting to is that's why podcasting in my mind has become so popular two-fold one I didn't realize I would like long-winded stuff but you actually get to talk about some things

and television used to talk about some things even if it was wrong even if you go into the decades ago oh that was a terrible thought they still talked about some things now they don't now they try and like appease to I don't even know anymore like television's hard Yeah. I had a thought that just fled my brain.

Well, I can keep going. You know, I've just literally ranted for five minutes. I was ready till the moment you stopped talking. Yeah, it's gone out. It'll come back. I'll jump in just like you did the other time. Yeah, it's, I don't know. I'm certain people were ready for Joe O'Rogan. But I would say majority of society probably hit it right where I hit it, where you were just like, three-hour conversation led by Joe Rogan the Fear Factor guy, not a chance. Then you listen to the first time, you're like, holy shit, he's on to something. I want to be into this too.

Okay, I remember and you're going to hate me for it. Okay, fair. That's good. Here we go. It's going to spin back to COVID for a second. I apologize. Speaking of sports roundtables and breaking the narrative, did you see this clip that came out of Australia here recently?

It was like footy Friday or something. It's the round table that goes over the cricket games and the, and the soccer games down there. And there's like five people on a panel and one guy standing up by the big telepromp thing. And he's talking about this guy who just got taken off the field for heart problems, his star player and how he's been taken off the roster. And then the one guy says, yeah, you know, that's been happening a lot in sports lately. Another guy chirps up since actually it's been happening a lot around the world lately.

And you can see, like, I can imagine in their earpieces are just getting screamed at, stop, don't. And they keep going. and this clip has gone semi-viral where they say yeah especially since the boosters have come out we've seen like an uptick in a lot of you know heart-related issues especially in the sports world which is strange you wouldn't expect hard issues and the fittest people in the world i'll put one i'll put one to you with ukraine russia uh i know people all over the sporting world that say you know my brother stared at me funny when we did the round table i should prefer it but whatever like alexandrovitchin is chasing Wayne Grexky's all-time goal scoring record. Okay. It is, like, it's a big story. And a lot of the major news centers won't talk about it.

Because he's Russian. Because he's Russian. And I think we can all just go back and go, I don't think Alexander Orbachin is, like, look at the- sure he's not shooting Ukrainians right now. And look at the population of Russia. There's going to be a huge chunk of them

that do not agree with what is going on. A lot of them. Right. But you come back to the NHL and Vechkin, Jason, like, that's where we're going to go, right? You've got to be a guy sitting on them shows going, like, this is too much, right? Like, this is ridiculous. Well, it gets more ridiculous as this clip goes on because the one guy, he says, you know, I don't want to,

he's continuing the conversation about around the booster. He's like, I don't want to dig into your personal life. But obviously, he points to the guy beside him, obviously, you're still recovering from your Bell's palsy. And the guy beside him, literally half his face is drooped. Well, he's on here. And they're like, talk about an elephant in the room. they're not talking about.

And the guy with Bell's palsy is like, yeah, actually, I was, when I was in the ward here not too long ago, it's filled with people like me. There's so many of them. They say this is totally weird. And then the guy beside him who brought it up, he's like, we're obviously not anti-vax. We've all done our due diligence and got our boosters. I'm like, oh, my God.

This is like, it feels like a SNL sketch where they're not allowed to talk about the thing, but they're kind of talking about the thing, and they're doing everything they can, not to talk about the thing. I'm like, this is the world we live in right now. Back when SNL didn't have Big Bird and all them saying, go get the vaccine. Or Stephen Colbert, done, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, vaccine. Like, ridiculous, you know, like that stuff right there. Did you see the one, you know, after Elon Musk comes out with the Twitter proposal and Biden and everything?

The news agencies sitting there, there's four of them, I think, on a panel. And the one woman goes, well, this is ridiculous. he's trying to do or trying to tell the people what to think and that's our job i did see and i'm like and the the best is all the people are nodding their head yeah you're right and i'm like oh man like that's that's that's that's why another reason podcast yeah because i i don't know about you i tell people all the time don't believe a word i say go do your own due diligence like i i can get things wrong i certainly can i can certainly everyone i've had people uh yell at me and i and not actually physically yell at me,

but yell at me through text. You can just tell they're fuming. Say, you know, your bias is bullshit and all that. It's like, yes, I do have a bias. 100%. I will not discount that. I am a die-hard, I'm a Mitholars fan. So when I have a brother's round table,

the flames are going to get shit on, and we're going to talk some Oilers. If you don't like that, don't tune in. And the fact that in the last two years I've taken the stance I have, you're going to hear some things about it because I want people to understand what's going on. And if you don't like that,

it's like, well, I have a bias, but I'm open to it. I'm very clearly like pro freedom of choice, pro body autonomy, right? Like, I don't think that's bad to admit. That's where I am. But I'm open to having conversations. I would be skeptical of anybody who doesn't have a bias that doesn't have a strong stance on anything. Not anything?

You don't believe in anything? Like, are you a person or an NPC right now? Who am I talking to? What do you? Why am I even talking to you? I should be talking to a wall. you know like you should have some bias again what why is that a character fault that should be a character trait well yeah what's something you believe if we let's go back to the the ant

theorem do you believe in god then i was raised christian so god was always a given to me i don't know to what degree I've expanded that understanding now, but I feel like I know less now than I did growing up because it was a lot easier when it was all Sunday school, and it was all stories that were neatly written out, and Noah gets eaten, or Jonah gets eaten by a whale, and he gets spit up on the beach and all of the things, where it's just like very easy to understand digestible kid stories. Nowadays, man, the more I learn about the world we live in and around, I don't discount the idea that God is behind it all, but I have so little understanding about what the actual workings are because they are so, they're almost more magical than we were led to believe in some ways. Like I feel like at some points we're in the matrix. I feel at some points maybe we're in a parallel universe.

I feel at some points maybe there's aliens. Like, there's so many questions that when I was growing up, we're just like, yeah, that's all silly talk, are now like, is it? But what about? I mean, there's, it could possibly, you know? There's this thing I was going to bring up here. What is it called? The Mandela Effect. Like, I wonder sometimes.

Like, do you know what that is? Mandela Effect is basically, like, you can go online and just Google Mandela Effect, and there'll be lists of things that you thought were a thing that aren't. aren't or that you thought were one thing and that aren't, like Berenstein bears and Bernstein bears or something like that. It's like simple things from your memories that are wrong, like fruit loops, the way it's spelled, it's actually two O's instead of a UI, like little things like that. And there's weird, there's wild conspiracy theories around what the Mandela effect actually is, because it seems to be universal. And some people think that there was a point in time where universe is fractured. And us all came from the same past.

and then we went off on this direction. We remember things different than people in this direction. And it's not that you have false memories. It's that the universe is slightly shifted underneath you. And there's all these weird, bizarre, bonkers theories out there. But they're kind of like when you get scientists and theoretical physicists talking about, it lends some credence to some of these wild ideas. So to long answer to a short question, yes, but I don't know what that means anymore, you know?

Well, there's no such thing. That's a pretty big question. Right. What do you believe in and then throw God in the mix? Because I don't even know what reality is anymore, if I'm being honest. Like, it's, there's so many things it could be. And this is part of listening to so many podcasts and listening to so many different people's ideas of what reality is. You can't be given 100,000 different options and say they all make sense. Like, you have so many different things that you can pick from. And I don't know if how many of them are wrong and how many of them are wrong. right and to what degree they are one or the other. Like you've got people that come on and talk about Hinduism, you've got people that come on and talk about Buddhism, you've got people that talk about Islamism. You got people to talk about whatever. There's a hundred thousand different ideologies out there

whether they are dealt with governments, policies, societies, religions, theories, conspiracy theories. And at this point, I'm open to a lot of it, but more to the, I'm kind of like a collector of ideas. ideas right now and I'm not quite sure personally not that it matters I don't care if other people believe what I believe that that doesn't even make sense to me why they would care to but um there's there's more questions right now than answers and I think that's fun I think it's fun I don't have all the answers right now I certainly do not have all the answers although that's

I take that as like man the next you know I'm 35 turning 36 now I hope I live to be 70 plus or whatever it is. I'm like the fact I realize that means the next 35 years is going to be a ton of fun, right? Because that means I'm open to anything, like for the most part, right? Like, I guess what I've really learned over the last, let's say just five years, we could probably shorten it up, but in the last five years for sure is I remember thinking five years ago, right around 30, that stories didn't carry as much hidden meaning as they, as they did. And I'm talking like Pinocchio. I'm talking,

I'm talking Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter or... Mythology in general. Yeah, mythology in general. Yeah. And that's taken me all the way back to start to read the Bible again. Because as a kid, I grew up in a Christian family, went to church all the time, certainly read the Bible.

I can simply say that it don't went in one ear or the other for the most part, much to the chagrin of my mother. right and now I sit here understanding that some of those stories mean a whole heck of a lot more than just Jonah getting swallowed by a whale right and you start to go oh man like that is a deep deep story and you know if we go back to early in our chat if you can understand that people a hundred years ago are the same as us they just lived in a different technologically advanced era and the fact they can only look

back on their history and they can't look back on their current history you get the present day right like you have hindsight mm-hmm like I go the Bible is a window into a long-ass time ago and they have some brilliant things that still stand the test of time till now yeah it's that's a reverse chronical chronological snobbery is believing that they have something to give you from thousands of years ago yeah which they obviously they do right and like that in itself is like that's a real conundrum, right? Like to understand that 2,000 years ago,

I don't know, 10,000 years ago, take a pick, is that there was some brilliant people and they worked with what they had. I mean, in my own, in the last 100 years in Canada, you don't have to go that far back to understand when the bar colonists came to this area. They had very, very little to work with and survived on some ingenuity,

and this crazy idea of community where you helped one another and that, when I read those stories, like imagine moving, you know, you picked up and went to the states. Okay, because what did you say at one point? You can't live in a trailer in the cold, right? My area where I grew up

around the Fort Pitt Trail, there's a book of the stories of all of them that came over. Imagine doing exactly what you did. and living in a tent through the Canadian winter. Nope. I can't imagine it, man. And yet, in all their stories, Drew, I swear, I don't know if the number is 90%, 80%, 100%. Happy is in there.

And we were happy. And I'm like, ah, that's interesting. Because I'm not sure that's translated all the way forward, right? We have a different concept of what happiness is. And I've heard lots of people talk. You don't need money to be happy and you don't need this to be happy and whatever. Community is a big part of happiness. Having people around you that are willing to talk or open a discussion,

don't want to force you to think like them, right? Like, you have to think, like, that's an interesting. Yeah, you want to peer, not a dictator. Well, you want to work on yourself so you become convincing. Sure. But you still can't force somebody, right? Like, I can listen to Barack Obama speak. He's a fantastic orator.

In today's world, Jordan Peterson is another one. They just have a way of breaking down complex things that really, like, Dan Carlin. It doesn't mean I have to agree with them after I listen to him. Hell, I'll say this first and foremost. There's lots of people like that. I'm like, wow, that was really entertaining. But don't come out there preaching everything they said. It was just interesting to like almost tickle.

your brain with their thoughts and be like, what do I think about that? You actually helped me whittle down the idea around, I think I rambled a little much when you asked about the God question. You never ramble much. Okay. If anything, I ramble much. Well, let me narrow it down and shave it down because of what you were saying. It's sort of illuminated something for me, is that I feel like at least what turned me off

to the organizational side of religion, which turns a lot of people off. Like the religion itself is less of a deterrent than the organization around it and the like the dictates from above down, the top down kind of situation. At this point in my life, I am more skeptical of someone who thinks they have all the answers than I am of someone who is willing to talk about all the possibilities. So when it comes to do I believe in God has less to do with what other people tell me God is or what they believe is, what answers that question? And more to like, yes, but what does that mean is where I'm at right now?

Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. Well, I think if you believe God exists, then you have to admit that he presents himself or herself, whatever you want to go along with. Itself, zim-zer self. Yes, that's right. Teach person in its own way, right? which means right there you have to understand that to one person that's going to mean one thing

and to another person they're going to have a completely different experience and they can both believe in something but in probably different ways. Interestingly, that's a through line through almost every religion too, is the personal presentation of God. It's very rarely does he show up into a crowd. You know what I mean? It's a person having an experience, a vision, a small voice, you know, know it's a personal thing which lends credence to what you just said there it is it's so

personal but also it's it's this big communal experience as the human experience which is cool it's it's two things at once in that way and depending which religion comes from three things at once right it could be a trinity it could be you know it's there's so many cool ideas but it really does like I feel I don't like being constrained by people telling me what is real and what to think because that is a red flag to me right away and I know that that's what chases a lot of people away who are raised Christian, raised Catholic, raised Muslim, whatever it is, they get stuck into this hard and fast rudimented system that if you swerve 10 degrees to the left you are now a heretic and you have to be

brought back into the fold and you're not allowed to think outside of any of these walls and your lived experience or your personal experience if you feel like it's a little different than you're being told it is doesn't matter you're wrong. I think that if we start understanding a little more about trying to experience things for ourselves and then coming to an informed, even slightly more informed opinion than just reading the words and having somebody else tell us what they mean, you know? I think that the personalized experience when it comes to spirituality in general is what should be reached for instead of like these really rigid ideologies.

I find maybe I'm just, I don't know, this is my own experience. I find that more and more people are becoming open to the conversation we're having right now. I agree. And I don't think that was there prior to COVID. Actually, I can guarantee that

wasn't there prior to COVID, at least from where I sat. And the longer this goes on, the more of this question, no matter how you try to like navigate around the intricacies of it and how complex it is and how difficult and how weird it feels to talk about it, more and more people are talking about it behind closed doors.

I can just sit and say for myself personally, I've been talking about it a lot. I've been trying to figure out how it works, and I don't even know, like that. That's me trying to spit out of my brain, trying to like decipher what I actually mean, if that makes sense, right? I think a lot about, once again, I mention them multiple times, but Jordan Peterson always talks about, you're getting me thinking about something. thing and I think by talking and when it comes to this question of like what is God or religion or how to you know navigate it that's something I don't talk about I think as a

society you want to talk about self-censored we've self-censored on that one yeah like that's been a societal thing for a long my entire life my whole life yeah for sure I somebody somebody started talking in the 60s or 70s somebody starts talking about Jesus you turn them off somebody starts talking about going to church you turn it off yeah that's the end of the conversation. That's the end of the conversation you don't listen anymore. And I see the complete opposite happening right now where people are curious about it again. And I find that interesting. It's interesting to me that you brought up the time period of during COVID you've noticed this. I hadn't noticed that until you said it, but there's something that Sam Tripoli had said in a recent podcast on the

tinfoil hat podcast. And you want to talk about somebody who's open to all ideas. That guy believes anything you tell them. If you told them there's lizards in his shoes, I got to find the lizards. They're in my shoes. But. But as a bred and pure conspiracy theorist happily, right, that's his whole thing, is conspiracy theories, he said, and I believe him, because it seems to be the case more and more, is that if you do conspiracy right, it leads back to spirituality. Somehow it leads back to God. No matter how, what route you end up taking down divergent thoughts, they come back if you do it right to some form of. of a center to it all. And over COVID, I think that there has been

an absolute ground swelling of conspiracy theories because they're starting to be proven right. There's never been a better time in my lifetime to believe something that other people don't believe because a year later it turns out that it wasn't conspiracy, there was conspiracy fact. It's just like the mainstream didn't allow it yet, you know? So I think that maybe part of what you're seeing

over this two year period of people coming back to God more often, or at least questioning it, bringing it up in conversation has something to do with that, is that they've been looking into things for themselves. They've been, you know, maybe I'm not allowed to talk about it, but I'm going to start studying it. And then it starts, okay, I'm going to talk about it to this guy, because he'll understand and I'll talk about it. And then it becomes a common conversation. Now I think, yeah, like I hear about it in almost every podcast that I listen to now. In some way, it's, there's a drip of it and it seems to be happening more and more.

Isn't that interesting? That's interesting. I don't have. have a different word for it other than that is really, really interesting. Because three years ago, when I started this sucker, I would have said, and once again to my mother's chagrin, she would not like hearing this. I'm going to talk about sports, and sports guys say there's certain things you can't talk about with sports, politics being one of them. And I'm like, I'm going to talk about politics, I'm going to talk about everything. But if you would have put the one thing I'm probably going to steer clear of, it would have been church and religion and God and just I would have left it off to the side because I would have

been like ah I don't want to preach and it's funny because I hope that's not what we're doing right now what I'm acknowledging is something that I'm seeing happen is people's curiosity going back to that and you wonder if one of the one of the you know when you do an event like creating social media there's going to be ripple effects both ways, right? Good and bad is kind of what I'm pointing to. And you go, COVID was, man, that was a long couple years. But out of anything bad comes good things, in my opinion.

And you wonder if one of the repercussions of COVID and pushing that hard is people looking into things for themselves. And where does that lead them to? Maybe there's something bigger here than we all care to agree upon. And maybe that will lead us back to what I hope happens. is community and how do you bring people together because for a while there I didn't care about it but now I want to do is how do you bring people back to a sense of community and and talking to one another and doing things like this and one of the things I notice and I'll

say it for the 10th time is talk of God talk of belief systems and deeper things than how Connor McDavid's doing and don't get me wrong hope the Oilers win the cup this year I'm die hard I want them to win I understand why sports is a around it's nice to turn your brain off and really just focus on a hockey game and don't give me wrong that gives me anxiety like nobody's business when they others are up three two and the third but i i can't get over this and the fact that you you know when you think through the podcast you listen to you're starting to you go what is that that's interesting it's new for sure of recent years it's definitely new um there's something in the aa system that's they ask you

to find, I'm not part of AA just for public disclosure, but I, you see it and you hear it all the time is they, they want you to find a higher power. They don't tell you what that is. They just say, this is one of your steps. You need to have accountability. You need to have this. You need to have that. You need to find some form of higher power than yourself. And I, I believe the reason, the rationality to that is people who have nothing to more themselves to drift. And it's easy to get lost when you drift, but if you have something to ground yourself to something, some sort of something, then at least it's a starting point to start branching off from until then you're kind of just a log in the river. Yeah, you don't believe in anything. So you just kind of float.

Yeah. Yeah, there's the old saying, if you don't believe in something, you'll fall for anything. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Well, this has been thoroughly enjoyable. I don't know about you, but certainly for me, there's a different type of energy that comes across, I feel, sitting across from somebody in the same room compared to doing an over Zoom. Like, I mean, you can still have a ton of fun, but, you know, I had plans in my head of where I wanted this chat to go, but I purposely don't do that unless I need to because I thoroughly enjoy this. And I thoroughly enjoy getting somebody across for me in the podcast studio to do this with. So I really appreciate you making the drive through the snowy weather to come here and do this.

And I hope the audience has enjoyed where we've gone because we've gone down a couple different rabbit holes. But thanks again for making the tour to Lloyd Minster. Yeah, absolutely my pleasure. My wife asked me, can't you just do that over Zoom? Not doing this one over Zoom. I'm going to Lloyd for this one. I'll drive.

One thing before I let you off, let the audience know how they can find you, Drew. That is one thing I should shine a light on if people want to find you and where they can find you. Okay, so for the podcast, you can just search any of the major podcasts outlets for social disorder, the social disorder. Everything that you want to learn about me as far as my background, my jiu-jitsu, my gym, my story, my internet presence. You just go to because underscore jitsu on Instagram or drew. Dot weatherhead on Instagram, and there's a link in the bio that's the same link on both places that leads you to all of my stuff.

So easiest place to find me as Instagram. Perfect. Thanks again. Hey, thanks for tuning in today, guys. I hope you enjoyed it. Certainly enjoyed Drew driving up and getting an opportunity to meet, meet him in person. And I look forward to seeing what he does with his podcast. And more than likely, we'll have another go-around at some point here. But regardless, we'll catch up to you Wednesday.

So go out there, kicks some ass, and we'll catch up to you on Humpty.