Shaun Newman Podcast - #264 - Andrew Peloso & Jeremy Regoto

Episode Date: May 13, 2022

Andrew & Jeremy are two film makers who captured the convoy's trip across Canada & while in Ottawa. The first episode of their docu-series is dropping May 15th and we dig into all the details as well as their time in Ottawa. Docu-series available at www.truckingforfreedom.com Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Support here:⁠ https://www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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and will be releasing their first episode of their docu series Trucking for Freedom on May 15th. I'm talking about Andrew Pelosi and Jeremy Regato. So buckle up. Here we go. All right, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Andrew Pelosi and Jeremy Rigato. Boys, it's been a while.

Thanks for hopping on. Thanks for having us. Yeah, thank you. It's been a while. Going back to Ottawa, I ran into you guys several times. I think I can probably safely say that everyone had one of your cards or multiple of them. I think they were going around faster than anything in the city of Ottawa. And for the listener, you've always had cards made so that anyone with media, videos,

anything could send it to your trucking for freedom. And like I said, they were everywhere. Yeah, they were. We found an amazing local printer. I remember calling him on a Sunday saying we need 4,000 cards printed. And he happened to be in office and did a rush order for us. And we were throwing those around everywhere. and it was just another example of the movement,

how willing people are to help out. You know, people, we passed around these cards and continued what we experienced of seeing people send footage for this documentary around the clock. So it was very cool. Now, before we get to the documentary,

I certainly want to spend some time on that and let the listener know what you guys are working on. Maybe we could start here. I think for the listener, neither of you have ever been on the podcast. So why don't we start with just a little bit background so the listener can kind of get a feel to who they're listening to. We're going to start with Jeremy since Andrew hopped in right off the hop. That way we share the talking time here

and see if we can't get you both talking a little bit about your experience in Ottawa. And then, of course, the project you guys have been building with May 15th coming up awfully quick. So Jeremy, maybe just a little bit about yourself. And then obviously what, I guess maybe the final question on your background is what took you to Ottawa? What got you moving that? way. Yeah, of course. So my background is definitely an entrepreneur's background. I'm involved in a number of different companies, mostly in the technology sector. I started working with Andrew about a year ago here. We started working on some really cool things, mostly around marketing, around film, around coming up with some new ways to use some newer technologies. And we've just been dabbling over the

the past little while here. And he reached out to me, I think two nights before the Freedom Convoy was going to roll through Calgary. He was actually in Vancouver at that point in time. And he said, hey, really crazy thought, but apparently there's going to be this group of trucks. It's going to be driving across the country. And I think it'd be pretty cool if we caught it on film. And immediately, I was like, whoa, Andrew, my week's full. I don't know about you, but my week's pretty full. And I don't know if we, if I have time to do that. But he was like, well, just think about it.

And I was like, you know what? I'm 90% sure. Let me just make sure. So I committed to driving out and capturing these trucks. But as soon as we started filming, as soon as we even like started talking about this, we reached out to some of the organizers and we're able to get a little bit more on the inside and understanding what this movement was for and why it was happening and and who was involved and it grabbed a piece of our heart and it pulled us right in. We realized that it was way bigger

than either of us could capture. So so that's honestly what it was was it was more a surprise to me. I know a lot of people were planning this for for months in advance and, and myself personally, I was just caught along for the ride and it was a ride of a lifetime. Yeah, it's funny. I think, I think more people are like your story, Jeremy. So many people that I ran into and continue to run into that went, someone were like, I'm just going to Saskatoon, right? I'm speaking from Lloyd to Saskatoon or from Saskatoon to Winnipeg

or until they hit the Ontario border. And then they get sucked into it. And pretty soon they're in Ottawa and they're like, I actually don't know what I'm going back. And it's kind of a, it's interesting because if you weren't there and didn't follow along, you're kind of like, Yeah, that's wild.

But if you got to touch even the sliver of it, you're like, oh, I get it. That was a hard, well, cool momentum to see and feel go across the country. Andrew, a little bit about yourself and what took you there? What made you make the phone call? Yeah. I come from a media background. I've been making films. I've been working on a documentary for three years.

It's about to come online about cancel culture. this fall. But, you know, just been around the media space and making commercials and, you know, playing with cameras my whole career. And I really, you know, went through this, these last couple years with a heavy heart. Like I know most of your listeners. And decided to take a little bit of a break. I just finished a couple big projects.

And I was out in my camper van for a month in BC in January. And my dad got to love dads who send links. My dad sends me about five to ten links a day. Got to check this out. Got to check this out. And for whatever reason, when he sent me the bear hug, you know, Freedom Convoy link, something pulled my heart in. And I just thought, even cinematically, that is a wonder to behold.

and of itself, like the amount of vehicles that were being talked about and driving all the way across the country, combining into this big demonstration in Ottawa, I just thought it would be a cool thing to film. I did not realize how deep the heart of this movement ran. And I think I shared Jeremy's comment there, it just pulled me in. And I consider it a great honor to be able to capture this movement and make a film about it because it runs so true to what it means to be Canadian or what it means to live in a healthy democracy that promotes freedom. And that experience changed my life and continues to do so for sure. So that's what I, that's who I am a little bit about what I do.

You know, this is for, from now on, feel free to jump in and cut me off and anything else as we go along here, fellas. I think the audience has got a feel for who the speakers are. You said it pulled out your heartstrings. And I remember, and I think maybe that was something that the convoy did extremely well. And maybe is unique to Canada because you're right. There's the one from the Westers. Like, we're going one road boys.

Like there's nowhere else to go, right? And in the dead of winter and everything else. But when that was something, I think a lot of people, as soon as they heard, about it. And as soon as you saw the first video from it, you're like, oh, man, this could, this could work. Like, this could really work. Yeah. It did. It did. And I'll just say, you know, I'm a fairly emotional guy, I guess, but I, I've never cried so much on that road on the convoy. It was nonstop because this was not, you know, you weren't seeing the people you would expect, the more trucker based crowd. You weren't

seeing those people exclusively on the road cheering you on. You were seeing like a mosaic of all of Canada saying we want to be free. And to see the little kids running to your car to give you a sandwich, you know, I have on footage, you know, the amount of trucks that stop the truck stops and get out after an eight hour, eight hours of driving just to be met by a family who wants to embrace that trucker and say, thank you for what you're doing. Like, you got a place to stay, do you have a place, do you need a shower? Like the amount of altruism in this movement was deeply touching. And it's honestly a story that has been hidden, right? You're well aware, legacy media and all of that. Like, there's just so much of that going on. And this story

needs to be told properly because what we saw and witnessed on the road was transformational, regardless of which side of the bench you sit on. We saw more tears of joy and more more smiles. And I don't just want to cap it with, uh, in the past two years during that trip, but I think, I think in our entire lives, we've seen a higher concentration of joy and, and outright happiness, uh, than in our entire lives. And even yourself, like when we were, when we ran into you yourself, you were just awestruck, uh, just like us. We were just, man at no point in my life have I ever given out more hugs than I did that first couple days in Ottawa it was unreal well I I grew up in a uh a farming community and I read the old stories

of the settlers coming here and how hard of conditions they lived in minus 40 in a tent you know like and it went on and on and on with kids and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah but all their stories read, we were happy. We were fed, blah, blah, blah, blah. You get the point. And I, when you guys talk about like the level of emotion, the hugs, the crying, the tears of joy, the mosaic of different people that were out on the highway, what it did for me and I'm, and I'm curious your thoughts is the old timers talk of a time where they lit a candle in the window. And now we go, well, we don't want people and know that. What if they come and rob you, right? You don't leave your anything unlocked. What happens if they come and do this and that and everything? And there was such trust across Canada where there, somebody would be like, you want to go for a shower or stay out here in the boonies? And you're like, absolutely. I just need to get off the road. Like, we've been going forever. And I didn't realize that existed anymore. And I don't mean that in like this, a dark way, just in a way that that's not how our society operates anymore. Our society is very much kind of, kind of. high-paced, busy, keep your head down, you don't know that many people or your community's

kind of like different? I don't know. What are your thoughts? Yeah. It was the biggest demonstration of the true North strong and free, you know, and we saw that represented every single day. It's funny, right? People talk about us Canadians. We get whittled down into niceness, you know, whatever that means. But the truth is there's a real resilience in. strength in Canada across every province and territory. And that's what was what was inspiring because it's so easy to get caught in the day and day out and not understand who your neighbors are. But it brought great inspiration to my heart about the resiliency of Canadians and really some hope for the future. The majority stays silent often, right? But when there's something,

I forget who said it on the convoy, but someone said, you know, us Canadians are very, can take a lot. But when the gloves drop, they drop across the entire country, you know, and people are willing to fight for what they believe in. And yeah. Yeah, just with what you were just saying there, we pre-booked hotels right across the country right before we left. And that's because my romantic partner had the foresight to suggest that we do that. And she's a wiser woman than we will ever be. She helped a lot throughout this entire journey. But as we drove across the country, our route changed.

We were following a group of people. And they had to change routes because we were concerned with potential roadblocks. we were concerned with a lot of different things and not actually getting to Ottawa on time. So we got a hold of some random guy on our Instagram lives and said, hey, you are leaving Winnipeg. You just decided you're leaving Winnipeg. Here, take the next two nights in a hotel. And we ended up chatting with him later. You know him, Jeff.

So we gave that hotel to Jeff. And then we reached, we talked with them later when we got to Ottawa. like well what happened with the hotel room he's like oh no like the first day i gave that away um and the second night i gave that away so and it's that was honestly just the the the general flavor of the convoy was just uh everybody gives it abundance and there was so much abundance it's like where is all of this giving coming from it's got to come from somewhere but it was so abundant that it just felt like it was falling from the sky. And nobody was ever in need.

We'd drive through towns and our car would be full of sandwiches. And like you can't eat that many sandwiches. No. And we were telling people like, no, no, no, no, we have enough. We have enough. And they're like, no, you'll need it. You'll need it for the, you got a long road ahead of you. Like, you're staying there until things change.

It's like, okay. I say, I say I walked everywhere. in Ottawa and I gained weight. Like, think about that. Because literally every corner I went to, there was somebody with, you know, cooking 100 hot dogs. You got to have a hot dog. I'm like, well, I just, yeah, I'll have a hot dog. You know, you're working it.

And then you walk around the next corner and there's stew there. And you're like, you've got stew out here. And you eat some of that and you carry on. And this went on. Well, you boys know. And it just on and on it went. But it was, like you say, that's something you won't soon forget. One of the things I think is cool about what you guys got going on.

And the entire way across Canada, I didn't see any legacy media. I didn't see them like film everything. And I was like, man, this is like this is pretty crazy because I've witnessed a lot of things in Canada. I think I have. And I'm like, they're always there to cover. Like this is the biggest news story. You want your ratings to go through the roof.

You should have been on the highway. You should have literally live streamed it. They were nowhere there. But you guys are going to have. all that footage and a ton of cool like I can just imagine you know I want to I want to make sure we talk about this docu-series right you guys got a dokey series coming out May 15th the first episode comes up and I think one of the cool things is going to be that you actually have from beginning to end because one of the things that I admire about you is not only as you get to Ottawa but then you

stayed in Ottawa and you filmed everything you were there through maybe the early days of smiles and everyone being hopeful to all of a sudden it's starting to ramp up to holy crap what's Trudeau doing to people being arrested people being trampled and holy hell right um let's talk about the docu series how has things been progressing on that i can just imagine how much footage you actually have yeah i have to jump in earlier then then we'll tell about what we're sure in the talk to series, but when we were on the road, we're both driving, you know, taking turns basically coding a website to try and get this trucking for Freedom Project off the ground. And in the course of, I think it was 36 hours, the site went live and started

getting 60,000 hits a day. Like, it just blew up. And the amount of people, we're like, man, we got to capture this and we cannot do this ourselves. Like, yeah, we're in film and we've done this before, but we don't got enough cameras. We're trying to capture a story on the fly across all of Canada happening in tandem. And so we decided, you know, let's get an upload button where people can send them, send us, their self footage and all that kind of stuff. We were overwhelmed by the response. Some of our producers back in Calgary were overwhelmed as well with the sheer amount of link requests of people uploading, hey, I got a photo, I got a sweet photo on the overpass. here you go. Hey, I got this video. Here you go. Hey, I got this video of my kids yelling

freedom and jumping on the bed. Here you go. Use it in the dock. And the outpouring of generosity with this footage was insane. I think we did a metric earlier on once we got to Ottawa and we had close to 16 terabytes. So 16,000 gigabytes of footage. So as far as like a database of real footage that happened in real time, we got it. And it's not ours. It's the story of Canada built by Canadians. And we feel a great duty to handle this footage with care to show the truth about what was actually witnessed. As far as where the docu series is now, yeah, we've decided that we can't wait a year to work on this editorial and put together just to feature film documentary.

the story because the news is not covering it. We don't want it to fall on deaf ears and people forget about this. So we decided to pivot and turn it into a docu series of which the first episode is airing on May 15th this Sunday on trucking for freedom.com. And it's going to be free and will remain free in perpetuity to the public because it's the public story. And so that's where people can watch it. And the first episode is chapter one, how we got here. And we have attempted in one episode to do an overview of the last two years of policy mandate lockdowns and the culture therein, both socially as well as some of the psychological

elements of this that served as a justification for the freedom movement and why it surged in Ottawa towards this big demonstration. So that is what episode one is about. I'm sorry, I talk too much, Jare. He does a better job at refining. We've been busy because I have to hop in there for one quick sec. I have to hop in for one quick sec. I think it's super cool that you're doing it. I don't know what the word is. Free. I'm going to just did I did I catch that right? Like anyone just go to Yeah, so here's what we're doing, Sean. We needed to first legally protect ourselves. So we, we incorporated a company. We didn't have time to create a not-for-profit. So we have a corporate entity. And we were like, okay, bank accounts are getting shut down. We're spending a lot of our own money, trying to keep people here in Ottawa filming this thing, keep a team running. back home. It's all coming out of our pockets and we don't have the deepest pockets in the world. So we're like, okay, well, let's let's put together film credits that people can purchase on the

website to support this movement because we've told everybody that this is going to be free forever for always. So that that opposes a lot of streaming deals and how these things typically roll out. Because if you think about it, like you take the weight up front, but at the end of the day, maybe you have a profitable project. We don't have that. We have a project that is very grassroots. We're running through a corporate entity. We're not selling at the end of the day. It's going to be made available for everyone for always. So Canada's not only partnered with us in providing footage for this documentary, Canada and the world honestly has partnered with us in making this happen financially. And it's been amazing.

So we have an area on our website where people can go to purchase film credits of different value and each of them have different aspects to them, maybe like a T-shirt all the way up to come to the Premier to sit in on monthly meetings. with us. And it really was the only way that we could see right off the bat of financing this and doing it without a getting our bank account shut down and still being able to to provide this to everyone freely because it didn't make sense to to take something with footage that's been gifted to us and turn it around and sell it. So essentially regardless of the distribution deals, that are yet to be realized.

It's a non-exclusive, right? So it's always going to be living on the website because the viewers are actually the distributors because they finance the documentary. So it's super fun. It's like a new way of doing film. I've seen it being done on a couple projects before, but it's basically that kind of crowd mentality

of do you guys want to see this thing? We're going to make it sweet. Like we want it to be cool. And they're like, yeah, we do want to see it. So get to work. So they've tasked us with a job that's probably going to be well over 12 months and pumped about it. That's a that gets me excited. Like that's that's a cool it feels very. You know, freedom combo. That's what it feels like right. Like that's that's what it was. It was right there. Like so May 15th. May 15th is the day the first one drops on the website.

That's yeah. And you're going to do six of these. Yeah, minimum six. So basically the topics, you want the topics or no? Oh, sure. Yeah. I'm, I think for the viewer, the listener, they're sitting there going, A, maybe they've never heard of this.

So the first they're going, oh, okay, they're probably doing what I do, writing that down. Geez, by the time this airs on Friday, they're going, that's two days away. Like, okay, I'll be ready for that. The next thing is, is assuming the first one, they go, holy cow, that was good. The question is then, when does the second one go? And sure, what are the topics? So we're trying to be as rapid as possible. We're saying, you know, at a bare minimum, probably every 45 days will release an episode.

That's our goal. If there are certain things in the production timeline that necessitate a little more time, we will take the time because it is quality over quantity with this one. But basically how we got here, then we're going to explore the actual formation of the convoy in episode two as well as getting to Ottawa. That one's going to be a fun piece. We got so much footage, man, of like behind the scenes jumping into an RV and there's deep conversations happening about like, are we going to make it to Ottawa or is the

military showing up? like that kind of conversation, okay, like stuff people have never heard that we were able to capture. We're going to get into Ottawa in the good days, the glory days, you know, where everything was peaceful and well and it was just a beautiful thing. We're going to dive into Coots and some of the border crossings. We're going to dive into the Emergencies Act. We're going to dive into police action or inaction and take a deep dive on that. We're going to follow it up with A little more of a philosophic analysis on what does this mean for democracy in our society? What is the bearing of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Bill of Rights?

And where do we go from here? And because it's everyone's story, you know, we are going to pause it to the viewer. Hopefully this is an opportunity to experience this again, to experience the nucleus, which was the movement, which was based in love and freedom. and then to take that into your own mind and into your own homes and your own family's conversations to encourage a freer society in Canada that are built on the principles that this federation stood on so that's the goal that's um well i hope for everything you just said how's that like i think uh that was very well put uh 45 days will be a long you know of the netflix and binge 45 days is going to be an eternity. But I will say this as a viewer. I agree with you. If you get it right,

the weight will be worth it. And 45 days, you know, I like to read books. And I always think of, and this will tell you exactly where I grew up. But Harry Potter, when I was growing up, was coming out. And the years seemed to fly by when the new Harry Potter had come out. And that's what you wanted. You didn't want it rushed where all of a sudden the next book sucked. Like that would that that that derails the entire project. Right. So what you're attempting to do, even though you got a ton of media content, uh, putting it together the right way, I, fully, uh, get what you're talking about there. But man, guys, this is this is super cool project. I've been saying, uh, and I think a lot of people have, right? Like CBC is,

should have had all this. They should be, not that they should be the ones doing it. I love how you're going to do it. But I mean, they got all the manpower, all the money, all the cameras they could ever want,

and they missed the boat on everything. And nobody wants to send the CBC anything at this point. They're like, no, no. I don't think we'll be sending them any backdoor conversations about what actually goes on. For me, that'll be the coolest part,

is seeing not only the footage, but some of the conversations that happened along the way. And you guys were privy to a lot. Yeah, I was a real honor. We were definitely privy to a lot. At first, we were told to keep our recording to a minimum.

And then very shortly, we were told to be in the room recording everything. So we have a little bit of everything. And I guarantee you, the majority of people out there have never heard what we have to release. Well, man, I'm excited, fellas. I don't know what I expected when you guys were coming on here. I'm like, ah, docu-series, you know, like whatever. But just hearing you guys' thoughts on and how you're going about it,

like I think it'll be super, well, I'm already excited for Sunday. And how long are an episode, an hour? Well, it depends. Basically that that's another thing too, right? As long as the story takes to tell properly. We haven't put a cap on it. So how long is episode one? episode one i think right now or anywhere between 35 to 40 minutes i don't know we're i literally

we paused this because we were editing and uh to jump on your show so there's more to be revealed it's hard to get it right because there is so much and like we got to make sure that we are doing this story justice so we are right down to the wire and we will be working our tails off to make that happen. And that means lining up the right interviews because we want two cam interviews on specific people for specific episodes.

That means proper B-roll. We have staged scenarios where we're shooting days of B-roll for this doc. We have an underwater scene, Sean. We've used underwater cameras. And so that will be the question is, will...

What on earth happened underwater? water in the middle of February. You'll have to see we're a bunch of artsy filmmakers, man. So if you can connect a truck metaphorically to an underwater scene because water's cool. Water is cool. Here's a question. How long would this like take timelines away? Let's say you're going to release this on, pick your platform.

I don't care which one you're going to take. How long would this normally take to put it together and be like, here you go. here's eight episodes or whatever. Like how much time would it actually take? Maybe talk about your last doc. For sure. So just under two-hour full-on documentary is still not-hour. Yeah, about two hours, like a feature film.

This is his last doc that's about to be released this year. Okay. It's not released yet. It's on cancel culture. But that was an expedited timeline of which we've been working on it for three years. So usually you got a full crew. You've gotten your film greenlit by distributors saying we want to see this made. And then you usually got at least 24 months to three years to make the thing.

And then you release it. And so the thing is the threshold of quality needs to be there every episode. And we got 45 days to do it. So it's, yeah, it's intense, but it's so fun, man. It's the best job ever. we had jobs before this but now trucking for freedom is our job yeah i feel like you guys are trying to go win the stanley cup right like where it is the gauntlet of gauntlet like that that's trying to do our best because here's the thing man i'm going to get personal right now okay so

you see in usually in very true heartfelt movements you see a lot of people trying to do their do their best and as a result you get all types of media but because legacy media hasn't covered this story well it's way more controversial to tell anything about this movement and so you see more often than not representation with cell phone footage and things like that and those are the kind of media products you get as a representation of what you encountered you know going on the convoy so we feel we are one product of thousands of products about this freedom movement. And so making the more artsy film is what we want to do. And it's so fun. We've got to partner with like award winning musicians to do a custom score. We've been able to do a bunch of B-roll reenactments,

working with a full research and development team, pulling screen grabs of news over the last two years. Like, it's so fun to work on. And that is our contribution, one of many. You know, you've got the people making the freedom merch. You have people like yourself doing podcast after podcast, Sean, trying to get the story and tell the truth and stand up for freedom. And so we all need to come together and we need to make excellent media products that encourage people to see the truth and live in freedom. Like that's the goal, man. Well, one of the goals of my podcast in particular is some of what you said,

but the other thing is to showcase what Canadians, for me, we always started in this area, so Alberta, Saskatchewan, we have a lot to offer, but we don't get enough recognition. Or maybe I just, yeah, I live under Iraq fellas. I have no idea sometimes. But it makes my job easy having fellas like yourself on that are doing something, then I'm like, and I can't wait to see what you're, cooking up and the fact you got so much um an underwater scene of course you guys would have an

underwater scene i'm i'm looking forward to seeing when you somehow connect uh trucking for freedom to uh something on the moon or something you know Elon Musk have a have a satellite i don't he was reading about it from the moon you want to really suck me in just give me a little bit of time travel fellas and you got me for the rest of time eh 100% no i i could keep you here all day. I don't want to do that because I'm sitting here and watching, I'm going, and now I'm thinking, holy crap, you got only a few days left. So we're going to slide into, you're my, my guinea pigs here for Friday, okay? What we started off with was, was the final five. It was five questions brought to you by Crudemaster. Then it was the final five minutes, and I kind of like wrestled with it. I just like,

I just don't even know if I like that. So I interviewed the owner of Crude Master, Heath MacDonald, and one of the things he said to me back like 100 episodes ago was if you're going to stand behind a cause that you think is right, then stand behind it, absolutely. And this was well before Freedom Convoy was going. This was anything. And I thought, ah, an interesting tactic to use He's words on a segment that he helped put together. So what's one thing you boys stand behind? I mean, I assume I know the answer on this one.

It was funny that I pick it out for this. But I'll let you go anywhere you want with it. We got no timeline on how long we can talk about it. Just what's one thing you stand behind no matter the cost? Yeah, it's interesting because I thought about this a lot this morning after you asked us to think about this question. And there's a lot that is worth standing for. but indefinitely is an interesting place that we're at in history right now. Like, do we stand for something?

And if we stand for it, are we going down with the ship? Because myself personally, I've learned so much over my life. And I can even say over the past few months, even to shorten that timeline where I probably thought something different three months ago than I think currently right now. I think that if I were to stand behind something, the only thing that I can adequately say that I can stand behind and get behind forever and for always is my conscience. And that's going to flex and move with new knowledge, with wisdom,

with perspective, with new understandings. I don't know if I could actually say personally that I could get behind something and stand behind it indefinitely. Right now, I'm standing behind freedom and liberty and love and peace and family. And I stand behind a lot of things. And at this point in time, 100%,

But I think it's really important, especially in a day and age where we are so polarized to be able to introspectively understand separate from our environment and what's being pushed on us and take that into our own conscience and be able to decipher each individual thing independently. because I think that's why we have two so hot and heavy ends of the spectrum right now where they're almost ready to stone each other. And I think that's something that we all have to do is stand behind our conscience indefinitely. And no matter what side of the fence we stand on, if we come up against something and we're for it, but it doesn't feel right, to take a step back and think about it, maybe do a little bit of meditation and understand why it doesn't feel right. That's what I can say. I personally stand behind indefinitely is my conscience. How do you follow that? I don't know. We might just,

that's it. Just click. Before you answer, I have to, I have to like, I kind of give the background of it. I'm like, I wonder how it's, you know, it's kind of like for me sitting in this chair, trying to figure out a new question at the end, it's almost like, geez, maybe you just start there. and that's where you jump off of, right? Like, geez, that's a hell of an answer. And I was going, I wonder how this is going to go, right? Like I thought I went for a walk at five this morning to frame it for the listener and for you guys. Got up with the dog.

I haven't got up and went, I haven't went for a morning walk in probably eight months. That kind of gives you an idea of where my brain's been at. Well before Ottawa, certainly into the deep, dark winter, as I called it. It was a long stretch. Anyways, this morning, I hop out of bed for the first time and take our dog for a walk. And while I'm walking, it was like all of a sudden the brain started working again, right? Just like, boom, boom, boom. And this idea came.

And I tell you what I'm going to do is I'm going to clip it out for you. I'll send it to you, boys, so you can hear Heath say it because I got to find a way to do that. So if the listener can hear Heath talk about rainbow piss, because I tell you what, it is just fantastic. but it's a guy I admire. And I went, it hasn't felt right since I changed it to the final five minutes. It just doesn't feel right. What are we talking about?

And I went, one of the things the podcast has taught me is different guests every once in a while. There's like one sentence they say out of like two hours. And you sit there and you chew on that for a long time. And Heath did it to me. And this was it. What's one thing you stand behind? Ooh, that's a tough question.

but his daughter this morning was like you better send that to them well before they sit down because you're going to sit there and go oh my god that's a question i'm like all right so you're the first people ever on this podcast to a get this question and two to get it pre-given to you like hours upon hours before we do it because normally i'd just spring it on you and see what i kind of like to watch a guest squirm so to speak so you're getting a little bit of extra time now have i filled in enough of a hole here, Andrew, where you're like, okay, now Sean's talk for a bit. I can, I can roll. Keep going. Yeah, if there was one thing, I think it is freedom for me, but particularly freedom of speech. It's probably the reason I'm saying that because of my lived experience

of working on a cancel culture documentary and the implications of that, combined. with this freedom movement, I think it is absolutely essential. We have to grow comfortable as people to be okay with speaking our minds at risk of offending someone. And hopefully that is not the implication. But if you can't, if you can't speak, you can't think. And I really believe that is so true in our culture. And we need to just get over this hump and start realizing that we can love other people who have directly polarized views from us.

And we can engage in healthy dialogue and we can speak up for things we believe in because that pushes society forward. That pushes democracy forward instead of creating a culture that is destructive to the very tenants, which allows freedom to exist. when people are scared to speak their mind, we have really big problems. And we have been living in that culture for years. And enough's enough. And that is something I am ready to stand behind and squirm, as you said, and figure out how I do that well. Because, you know, it's with a proper display of honesty and morality, you have a better chance of getting what you want in life. That's a statement out of a book in the recovery world.

And I think it's very true. We need to as a culture reengage with people who have opposing views. And we need to be able to do that and to test our muscles, so to speak, of being like, wow, I talk to someone who's completely different than me, who has a different understanding of the world that my psyche was a little bit offended by. And I was able to give him a hug at the end of the day or shake his or her hand. that is a beautiful world, the world I want to see continue to grow. And I think it takes courage to get there. It takes courage like the kind of stuff you're doing with this podcast, my friend. And it's a real honor to be here on it.

Well, I appreciate you saying kind words, but I think a lot of Canadians appreciate you boys sticking your necks out and doing what you're doing. I couldn't agree. Well, this has been an interesting question. I'm going to have to re-listen to what you. you both said because you both said an awful lot. So I apologize, Jeremy, because now all I can think of is what Andrew said. And I'm like, I didn't, I didn't expect to have, you know, when I was formulating the question, I didn't think I'd have two guys and rattle off two questions, you know,

and then two excellent answers. Jeez, I see what happens when you give time and preparation. The, the, uh, no matter, I got, I got four older siblings. We don't agree on anything. Like, half the time we argue with everything. And like, how are you going to expect a doctor to see the world the same way as an oil field worker to an HL player to a, but good people, we got to relearn when you say flexing the mother, we got relearn the skill of being able to listen to somebody and not agree with everybody. I don't know how many times I've had to tell people. I have, well, I think you're 264, I think 264 somewhere in there, a guest 264. I've had 264 people on her. I haven't agreed with everything everybody said.

And actually, I would even argue I agree with or I disagree with a lot of them. But in saying that, I do enjoy listening to people and trying to pull out some things that makes sense and moving on with my life because that's what a conversation is. The conversation, free speech, we should be allowed to say whatever you want. And if it has merit, chances are it'll rise to the top. And I'm all in for a heated conversation, but to cancel someone and take away their livelihood and strip them of their ability to provide for their family, that is wrong. It should not be done.

And that is a perfect example of what we're seeing making this film. You're seeing the fear in our culture for people to just express their opinion. We have a lot of ground to make up to get back to a society that allows healthy discourse in the public eye. Even just with all the interviews that we've been doing, you wouldn't believe how much worry has been in their life to a point of not even being able to sleep some nights because of things that they fear they might have said on camera that might be misunderstood or or misconstruited in some way where their life is over because of something they said. Like you wouldn't, you actually, maybe you would. Maybe you would understand what we're experiencing,

but it is incredibly difficult to get interviews first and foremost. Most people say no. Most, we have a huge, massive list of people that say no. We have a very small list of people that say yes, but even the people that say yes are worried about what they say. And that's, that says, something about the system that we're in. Yeah, I, I, I'm weirdly, or maybe not weirdly, doing a podcast for the middle of the last two years and changing my tune from not talking about COVID to going all the way to Ottawa. I certainly know the uncomfortableness of interviewing a guy like Peter McCullough and having to release that going, you know, I had friends in the hospital and everything else and I'm going, like, what is he?

going to go on here, right? So I get the reservation. And then on top of what you guys are both saying with the cancel culture thing, it's like, but we don't get through cancel culture by not talking about it. Like that's just like we have to. If it's going to get better, it's going to probably get a very, very uncomfortable. And more people have to understand that. They have to understand that. Yes, people are going to come after you. And they're going to, you know, I hang my head pretty high. and I'm sure you guys too, because once again, for the short time I knew both you or met both you, you're stand-up guys. And when I was preparing for this, I was like, you know, people who attack me and I would be

curious about you, they don't attack your arguments. Sometimes they do, and those are the fun conversations, right? Where they, you know, you go back forth on arguments because as you have an argument, we don't get to do it that much. It's kind of fun to do when you realize it's fun. but most of them attacked your character and those ones hurt because for me i uh i go about my business for the most part in a way that is really good for society right like i try and do the best for people and for what i saw you two uh it was very similar and i assume the attacks you're getting on on you right

now or the people that are going to end up talking isn't going to be about what they say they're going to try and go after the heart the soul of the person and those ones sting and that's where at in society. Those suck. That's why it's so important for us to really be able to look deep in our core, like I was talking about conscience, because at the end of the day, if you know that you've lived a moral life, people can throw sticks and stones and yeah, words hurt too. But at the end of the day, you have nothing to prove to anyone. You know deep down in your core, who you are, And that's what matters. And in all honesty, eventually, no matter how hard you get smeared, people will see the truth.

Because it doesn't matter. Everyone loves authenticity. Yeah. Everyone. So I think that's the goal of life, man. It's just trying to find, discover ourselves and become the most authentic version of ourselves. I honestly think that's all that matters. So. Yeah. Stick true to yourself. Those are great words. Guys, I've really, really enjoyed this.

Now, I'm not going to keep you much longer. I want you to give the listener where they can find you, remind them where the docu-series first episode will drop and any other relevant information, fire away so they can write it down or come find you and make sure they're not, you know, staying up to date with what you guys got going on. Yeah, of course. Your listeners can find us at www.w. Truckingforfreedom.com. That's where we are going to have the docuseries.

That's where all the information is. That's where the trailers are. That's where our about pages. And sorry about that. It won't be the first dog to bark on the podcast. No worries. That's where that's where, that's where, Your listeners, if inclined, can purchase film credits.

So that's where we're going to be hosting most stuff. And then if they want to follow along on social platforms, we're on all of the social platforms, your Facebook, your Instagram, your Rumble, your YouTube. So if they want to follow along, there should be a spot at the bottom of the website to follow all social pages. Cool. Well, I appreciate it, guys.

looking forward to Sunday I wish Andrew for the people who can't see he has a Calgary Flames hat on we're gonna end on the flames currently yeah yeah I just gotta say dispert my friends and family

fire it up all right I certainly hope the flames oilers meet for Battle of Alberta so we can have this talk again we can maybe even throw a friendly wager on it and when the Oilers likely go past them we can we can

trounce on you for a bit. That's what I would like. That's, hey, I'm not asking for the world, I don't think. Well, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. But all I know, Sean, is you're a beauty. And thank you for your time, sir. Yeah, thank you so much. Thanks for giving me a little bit of your time, guys. Get back to work and looking forward to Sunday. You got it.

I appreciate you. Thanks for tuning in at A, guys. I hope you enjoyed it. Go kick some ass this weekend. Go enjoy it. Family, friends. Enjoy some warm weather. I don't know, wherever you're at.

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