Shaun Newman Podcast - #268 - Dr. Peter McCullough & Author John Leake

Episode Date: May 19, 2022

Peter & John discuss their new book "Courage to Face COVID-19", WHO treaty that would give them sweeping powers in the declaration of any pandemic & the big business of vaccines.  Purchase a copy of their book: https://couragetofacecovid.com/ Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Support here:⁠ https://www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast⁠

This is Zubi. This is Brett Wilson. This is Brian Pectford. This is Keith Morrison. This is Tim McAlloff of Sportsnet. This is Dr. Peter McCullough. This is Daryl Sutter and welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Hey, welcome to the podcast, folks.

Happy Thursday, man. I apologize to all you dear listeners who try and keep up. I hope I'm not overdoing it this week. Obviously, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and tomorrow we also have an episode. I'm recording this on the day of the first game of Battle of Alberta. Certainly excited about that. I hope the Oilers come out on top.

Either way, not either way, I hope the Oilers come on top. I'm just excited for Battle of Alberta. And I hope all you listeners are, I'm not overdoing it with you, because I just, this week has been on stair rights. I just, I can't even explain it. It's, we got such great episodes coming out every day. I just, well, it's just happening every day. I'm like, I can't wait three months to release this stuff.

I'm trying to get it out as fast as humanly possible and stick to the schedule. But either way, I appreciate all of you tuning in for a double shot this week of a bonus Tuesday and then bonus Thursday. Next Tuesday, we do have the Tuesdays mash up with 222 minutes. So stay, I'm curious of all your thoughts on that. for today I just want to give a shout out again to all the sponsors who continue to make this a possible borgo tillage and tools profit river Mitch go spraying windsor plywood the deer and steer butchery ag land three trees upstream data rec tech hSI group like all these companies have have just gone above and beyond with me and i appreciate them sticking with me through thick

and thin it's been a lot of fun in the show notes there is uh my patreon account if you want to support if you don't that's totally cool you can tell me fly kite either way having you guys here with your hard-earned time is is payment enough most days like that honestly it's super cool to have you tuning in and let me know what you think of all the different episodes so let's get on to the ram truck rundown brought to you by auto clearing jeep and ram the prairie's trusted source for krizzler dodge jeep ram fiat and all things automotive for over 110 years the first is an internist cardiologist and epidemiologist he maintains certification and internal medicine and cardiovascular diseases. He practices both internal medicine, including the management of common

infectious diseases as well as the cardiovascular complications of both the viral infection and the injuries developed after COVID-19 vaccines in Dallas, Texas. The second, an esteemed author of multiple books, he studied history and philosophy at Boston University. Together they have released a new book, The Courage to face COVID-19 preventing hospitalizations and death while battling the biopharmaceutical complex. I'm talking about Dr. Peter McKella and author John Leak. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Dr. Peter McKella and John Leak. So first off, boys, thanks for hopping on. Thanks for having us. It's great to be here. Now, first off, John, you've never been to the show. So how about we

start here? Give me a little bit about yourself. Obviously, you're an author, but my audience is going to have no idea who John Leak is. And I hope I'm saying your name right. And I haven't crushed it. But maybe you can give us a little bit of your background so people can be like, all right, here we go. I was born and raised in Dallas, Texas, which is where I met Dr. McCullough exactly a year ago. I went to college and grad school up east. I then got a grad school scholarship to study abroad in Europe. While I was living in Europe in Vienna, Austria, I got interested in a true crime story, which was a little odd because my formal education is in history and philosophy, but living in the fascinating city of Vienna, I just discovered this

true crime story, which I just thought beat them all. And so I started researching it, discovered a certain knack for researching true crime and writing true crime. So that's the genre I got into as an author. One thing that my career as a true crime author led me into is the whole literature of forensic science, particularly forensic medicine. I actually did some translation work for a forensic pathologist in Vienna, got kind of familiar with some of the basic,

how to read medical literature, not as an expert, but just some basic concepts. And so I kind of came out of true crime with an interest in medicine and how the medical establishment can itself become corrupt and even commit crimes. So this was kind of my interpretive framework when SARS COVID-2 arrived in the United States.

And I began to investigate what I perceived to be elements of fraud, elements of negligent homicide. And I knew that I needed a top medical authority, so I began to look around paying attention. Are there any great medical men who are actually, actually making any sense.

And that's how I met Dr. McCullough, exactly a year ago, by the way. I might point out that's how we all met McCullough, isn't it? I think that's pretty much how we all stumbled on him. Who is this guy? I was going to say I'm a history major. I enjoyed history. Certainly did not write any books. Isn't history, it doesn't surprise me getting a true crime at all because I feel like history is a bit of a true crime genre in itself.

But, like, I mean, that's what you're dealing with. You're looking into the past and trying to solve puzzles. Well, for sure. And then, you know, I like medical history. I had a grandfather who was a doctor. He had a big library, collected artifacts. He had a skull that he found in South America. It was a paleolithic skull that it had a hole in the back of it.

And the theory is that when someone was suffering some kind of mental illness, thousands of years ago, they thought maybe there were spirits that were in the person's head, so they would actually knock a hole in your head. So anyway, this was kind of the lore I grew up with. And I also had a great, great grandfather who was a surgeon in the Civil War and his diary got passed down. And so already as a kid, like 10, 11, 12, I became interested in this idea that, you know, throughout most of history, medicine, medical knowledge was limited. You know, we don't know that much about the human body. It's something that we're constantly trying to discover and to learn about. And so from that experience, I realized something that I think a lot of people don't realize,

which is this idea of a final medical authority. Like, we know everything. The NIH knows everything. and anyone who dissents or takes a different view of the matter is to be censored for mis. I knew that that's false. Not only is it false, it's plainly and absurdly false. So again, you know, I always think when you're interpreting the world, it's useful to kind of have a framework based on your experience and your reading. And so I'm coming out of it as a historian and as a true crime guy. Yeah, well, I think a lot of that is very applicable to what we've been going through. So Mr. McCullough, it's great to see you again. It's been, it's been a while. It's been a little stretch here. You were joking that I got full teeth and I got a beard and, you know, I fell at hockey today, so I'm limping, so I didn't comb the hair for you two gents. I decided I'm just going to slap on a cap and carry on with life. How have things been? You know, since we last talked in December,

You know, that's like six months ago. And in this world, that's a lifetime. Since then, we've had the Canadian truckers go to Ottawa, mandates come off, et cetera, et cetera. But as we sit here in Canada, you got, you know, anywhere between five, seven million people, something like that, that can't fly across the country, can't leave the country, all these wonderful things that are protecting everyone.

How's been Dr. McCullough since our last chat? Well, thanks, Sean. Thanks for having it back on the show for those who I have I'm Dr. Peter McCullough, I'm practicing internist and cardiologist in Dallas, Texas. And now, you know, I'm viewed as a leader in the pandemic response with two sets of U.S. Senate testimony, multiple state Senate testimonies, approaching 60 peer review publications on the crisis, working really day and night with leaders all over the world to try to bring us out of this problem. That's what I want to do.

And, you know, I figure taking a look at you when you signed on this time, Sean, I think, think the snow is probably melted up there. Finally. I hope it's melted. I recently went to North Dakota, Fargo, North Dakota, and they told me, Dr. McCullough, you just missed the snow by five days. But anyhow, I was in the, with the big community center there in Fargo, we had nearly a thousand people. And I've been going city to city, holding programs with teams of doctors or sometimes myself. This time I was paired up with constitutional attorney Chris Corbeck from Kansas. He's actually running for Attorney General of Kansas. And then Kim Witsack.

Kim is the most experienced public citizen who's ever testified on drug safety at the FDA. We were the group for Fargo, North Dakota, on stage. We had a VIP event for doctors and lawmakers that we moved into a big public program. What we're learning, Sean, is that there's so much censorship in the electronic media, all the of the forms of media we have that the face-to-face meeting and the interchange is back. And recently, John's had a chance to go to a couple of these with me and really get a sense of the action. Well, I tell you what, I can agree with that. I think everybody's over this.

I can't wait until we get to do this in person because certainly doing everything through a television screen is it wore off. The novelty wore off awfully, awfully quick. Now, boys, I see it in the back of Peter's screen. You got a new book, The Courage to Face COVID-19. Like, I assume I know parts of this story. But maybe what surprised you about putting this project together? Let's start there. I'm really interested in, you know, an author writing it, putting the story together, what conclusions you got to.

Because, I mean, we got, every month that passes in this world right now, things are just spiraling or speeding up or whatever word you want to use. But let's start with the book. I came at this from the point of view of a true crime author. I think I said I perceived early March of 2020, a lot of what our public agencies are saying, what's being, propagated in the mass media, it just doesn't make sense to me. I thought, you know, we're looking at elements of fraud. The thing that I really got onto that I thought was truly rose to the level of a high crime was this instant from the outset, categorical, there are no therapeutic agents that would work against this unassailable virus. There's just absolutely nothing that doctors could

possibly prescribe repurpose drugs, supplements, nasal wash. I mean, it got us, you know, down to just like there's nothing you can do to protect yourself or to treat this viral infection. If you get it, I just thought that just doesn't make sense. I mean, and first of all, how do you know this from the outset? It's a brand new thing. How do you know that nothing works? So that was the really shocking thing for me. And I am. embarked on this is an investigation of, is it possible that therapy for this treatment, trying to keep people from falling really gravely ill, is it possible that this is being intentionally suppressed, literally withholding medications that could help people from sick

people? And if that's being done, well, first of all, is it really being done? And secondly, if it is, why? So it really, the book starts as a sort of, you know, big question, what is going on here? And that quickly leads to Dr. McCullough, who's not experiencing it as a true crime investigator, but as a guy with immense medical knowledge and clinical experience, he's experiencing the same thing in a hospital setting. So we try and tell the story, you know, as it unfolds, what Dr. McCullough and his colleagues went through and what they experienced. So I'll let Dr. McCullough take it from his point of view. Well, I'm wondering, John, could you keep up to Dr. McCullough? When he get, yeah, I mean, like, when, when Peter gets rolling, the amount of

information in that man's brain is, well, everybody comes. everybody who listens goes like how the heck does peter pull that off i i assume you could keep up but i mean like i listen to all your questions and i go the man to answer 90 of them because he's or 90 percent of it is living it is going to be dr peter mckella but i'll let you hop in you know that's a fair statement you know the doctors who are really treating covid those are the ones who have poured over reports they know the citations they know the data you know we've heard so many people on TV and they'll make statements with no supportive evidence. And so unless one's one's publishing and one's really applying this, what's called reducing to practice, unless they're reducing it to

their practice, they typically don't have the facility with the data. But you know, in the in the story, and it is a narrative, you know, there's a lot of things that are disclosed, you know, the first calls I got from the White House. I've never gotten a call from the White House before as I was working with doctors trying to invent a way to treat COVID-19, how things got caught up with the emergency use authorization procedure originally for hydroxychloroquine. Then we started realizing what was happening to other doctors, including Didier Realte in France, and George Fried and Brian Tyson in California, and just a whole historical series of events. You know, we've had U.S. Senate testimony. And, you know, some of the things you can't, you know, you can't make this up.

You know, one of the people on our team is a big burly guy like you, Sean, Pierre Corey. Pierre Corey, in the December 8th, U.S. Senate testimonies, shows up on the Senate floor wearing his lab coat. He wears his white lab coat onto the Senate floor. He's muzzled at an N95 mask. He takes it off. And he tells America that the mortality rates are double in Hispanics and blacks who are being denied early treatment. I mean, it's just the tension you could cut it with a knife. People are going to pick up the book and they're going to start to see all these series of historical events come into place.

And I think they're going to get an understanding that they can't get from other sources of media. You know, so often we get all, I'll play, you know, even myself, you get run around, you know, interviewing this guy, interviewing that guy. And never do you like sit down and like sift through all the stuff you did and like boil it down to, oh, wow. You guys write a book. I assume, you know, you get all the information put in chapter by chapter by chapter. Does it start to paint a picture? And then at the end, do you go, oh, man. Like that's where they're trying to go or this is what this was about or does none of it make sense?

I'm curious. Well, it makes sense when you understand that it's a crime. I mean, things cease to be confusing for a prosecutor when an investigative police officer when he realizes, okay, it's making sense. It's a criminal action that's being perpetrator. In this case, it's a criminal organization that is committing the crime. And then all of this conduct that seems mysterious and strange to interpret then becomes very clear. But you have to interpret it through the framework of a crime as being committed. Early therapy, early treatment was suppressed because going at least two years,

years back, I think considerably further back, but at least since 2017, there is a large nexus or what we call the biopharmaceutical complex that began to plan for the next pandemic. And there's a whole structure of financial arrangements, partnerships between private and public institutions for how are we going to respond to the next pandemic. And the solution to the next pandemic in which billions of dollars was invested was not treatment, was not a complex solution to a complex problem involving multiple actors on the ground. But another pandemic is coming. And when it comes, there shall be only one solution. And that is the mass deployment of a vaccine. Just sitting here, the three of us. I mean, I can't speculate on being inside that room

devising the plan, right? I sit there and I go, to think there will never be a pandemic again would be foolish, but to think there will be one solution to that pandemic seems foolish. So why in all of your work and everything else, I don't mean to try and get you into a realm of trying to think for somebody else, but it makes zero sense to me. Like it makes zero sense to me to make one solution, size fits all for the entire world. But this is what I mean. It doesn't make sense because your thinking is a rational grown-up that cares about your society and cares about reality.

This is a business plan that was published by the Center for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation. CEPI was an institution founded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in the World Economic Forum. 2017. It is a business proposition for a partnership that is in the business of developing and mass deploying vaccines and getting all of the national states of the world and their treasuries to invest in it and to make purchase commitments to it. So I think the analogy of the military is interesting. You say, well, you know, it might come to war in some foreign country. There is, from the point of view of the Lockheed Corporation and its friends and the Department of Defense,

a solution, and that is a new generation of fighter jet, the F-35. It only costs $1.6 trillion, dollars, but it's money well spent to deal with the problem of a future war. So you have to think of what's going on as a business proposition. We're in the business of pandemic response, and our product is not an F-35 fighter jet. It's a new generation of messenger RNA vaccines. That's the solution. That's what we're investing in. And when the pandemic comes, that's what the public policy response shall be. So it's beautifully executed. And it's described as an opportunity in the business plan.

The next pandemic is coming. And when it comes, it will present a great opportunity for the partnership that's investing in this business plan. It's all published. I can send the document to you right now if you want me to. Well, I tell you what, send it over because I'd gladly read it.

it's probably, you know, we're out from where I sit. When you're talking about people's lives and livelihoods and everything else, that's where it gets like this to me seems nefarious. Like it seems like a nefarious business plan. We're going to lock people down. We're going to have zero, you know, we're going to worry zero about how their mental health or their business or, I mean, how many repercussions came out of the way they approached this? like too many to count.

And then, you know, when you talk about the vaccines themselves, any talk of them having side effects, informed consent, any of that just goes down the drain. And I go, like, I don't plenty of businesses that make plans and ideas, but it just gets darker and darker the way this goes along.

I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong on that. It's as dark as it gets. It's the dark side of human nature. It's the dark predatory desire for power and money and domination. That's what it is. This isn't a conspiracy theory. Anyone who's read history knows that there are periods in which the dark,

aggressive, predatory side of human nature becomes ascendant. And that's what we're seeing. You know, I'm viewing this as a historian and a true crime guy. I've also studied some psychiatry. Dr. McCullough is a very sober scholar. He's more measured in his words. So I'm going to shut up for a minute and let him talk about this. You know, I tell you, John Leak is just basically a literal gunslinger. And you're right, I'm the conservative doctor. But people have said, what's behind this? Is this about Pfizer making a lot of money? Well, let me tell you right now, these are the vaccines that are being used worldwide or, you know,

close to development, they're going to be used very shortly. Moderna and Pfizer as messenger RNA. Oxford, Gamaleo, Cancino, and Janssen and Janssen as adenovirus vector, protein subunit antigen vaccines, Novavax, Vector, Nhui, Zipi, Longcom, Metagent, and, and, jifi, and Texas Children Hospital, Baylor College of Medicine, Corbevax, inactivated virus vaccines, SinoVec, SinoFarm, the BIPBBBB, B, B, P, B, P, B.P, BWBB, 152, and the Chumac Center, Kovivak. Sean, I'm telling you, it can't be a single country.

There's over a dozen of these going. you know, we make a big deal in the U.S. and Canada over Pfizer. Well, people are on their knees over at Indonesia. They can't get money out of an ATM in Chile because of the Cinevac vaccine. It has nothing to do with these other things. So the biopharmaceutical complex, as we describe it, is immense. It's enormous. There are a lot of entities that are a part of this business plan.

if there's a lot in it for a collaboration of companies and they're organized, which they are, and they have worldwide sources of organization, including the WHO, the World Economic Forum, SEPI, as mentioned, Gavi, these Rockefeller Foundation, these incredible linkages. But if they are unified, that mass vaccination is the only solution to this problem. and it must be given over and over and over again, with no exceptions. And even if patients get the illness, you continue to administer the vaccines over and over again, you can see that this is basically a railroad job on the world's population. I just want to smack my head off the table figuratively, obviously.

Like when I hear you say, just keep getting shots. Even when you get COVID, just get more shots. Like, there should be absolute revolt, which, I mean, there has been. I mean, I talked about the Canadian truckers and the mandates and certainly here in Canada, we felt the pushback. Sean, a couple of clips. A couple of clips. They had Anderson Cooper, triple vaxed interviewing Bill Gates, quadruple vexed.

They both get COVID at the same time. Anderson asked him, well, what should we do? Should we take more shots? and then Gates advises, yes, we should take more shots. In fact, take them indefinitely. We may need to take them more frequently than every six months, you know, maybe every three months, I would assume he's thinking, and until we wait for more vaccines. And once we get more, better vaccines, we'll take those. You can imagine the vaccine hubris is astonishing. You know, another tweet that just came out in the last few hours is Peter Hotez, vaccination.

developer from Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, you know, triple or quadruple vax. He's got COVID. He's actually taken Paxloid, which is the new Pfizer drug. It's pretty good, but, you know, it's not the McCuller Protocol. It's one drug. It's one drug among the four or six drugs we use in the McCuller Protocol. I'm managing people right now today who are on the McCuller Protocol. So he gets one drug, and guess what?

He doesn't do too well. So now he's a couple weeks into it. Boy, I feel really terrible. He goes, I wish there was a better treatment platform. I just, I texted back to people. I said, listen, set him the McCuller protocol. That's what Joe Rogan had. That's what Aaron Rogers had.

You know, he can give Joe Rogan a call. You know, the idea, people are in an oblivion. They are, in a sense, in a mass formation, is completely and totally centered on mass vaccination. Peter Hottas, who had been hunkering down in his bunker, for a couple years now, trying to mastermise a vaccine, he gets bitten by SARS-CoB-2 the virus, which in a sense is laughing at his vaccines. You know, and they say comedy's dead, you know?

Like they, like, I hear that and I'm like, this is a play on the grandest of stages. I would argue with you a little bit in that I don't, I'm, the mass formation thing, I'm sure absolutely is there. But I see it breaking down more and more. The only major problem with it is, the media ain't letting it go, right? And the big, you talk about the conglomerate of all these different organizations working together. That in itself is a juggernaut. Like, I'm really curious, you know, you write this book, Boys, have you faced any, like, backlash from, I mean, like, from the people that know exactly what you're talking about.

I'm sure it is a giant hit. And I'm sure there's a bunch of people like, huh, I wonder what that's. about. But like all these organizations trying to like censor, like make sure that Peter doesn't get to talk to anyone. Have you seen any repercussions of that or has it been all good? It's not, it's not big enough yet. The mob has not yet been awakened. You'll know it's a runaway bestseller when the mob is awakened. So we've just published it about a week ago and it's doing very well, but it's still doing well within this alternative, you know, podcasting, alternative media. We're slowly growing. Yeah. So, you know, we'll see. I'm kind of stealing myself because we do think

it will be a runaway bestseller. We'll see the upshot of all that. You know, you mentioned a comedy. There was a chapter in the book in which I make a reference to a black comedy that was actually published in Switzerland in their early 50s, 53, a play called Biedermann and the Arsonists. And it's a black comedy about this well-meaning, middle-class guy. Biedermann and German is a sort of the last, the surname itself, sort of every man, middle-class man. And he's reading the paper about arsonists that are burning down important buildings in his city. And he's like, arsonists. What are they doing? Like, why are these guys going around town burning things down? And then he reads further, they introduce themselves as door to door salesmen. They're charming. They seem very normal. They're well-dressed, polite young men. And then they talk themselves, they talk the owners of the house until letting them, you know, the itinerant salesmen. and could we spend the night in your house?

And the guy reading the paper says, well, how gullible can people be? I would never believe that. They actually introduced themselves. So anyway, next scene, the guys show up at his house, and they introduce themselves, and they say, hey, could we overnight in your attic? And they seem so normal, and they seem so polite.

And they're sort of funny. They have this kind of charm. And so he lets them. spend the night in their attic. And sure enough, they set fire to his house, which then sets the other houses, and then the whole town burns down. And then at the end of the play, Mr. and Mrs. Biedermann find themselves at the gates of hell. And the two door-to-door salesmen say, well, what were you thinking? I mean, by the way, one of them says, I'm the devil, and this is my friend Beelzebub. You thought we were normal, nice guys. So,

There's a strange psychology that emerges from all of that. We see Bill Gates talking with Anderson Cooper on CNN, and he, you know, he seems like this, he's wearing a cardigan sweater, and he's kind of, and they're talking about vaccine, and, you know, you should just get one every six months. Maybe you ought to get one every three months. And what we don't realize is that this is just out in the open. He's literally telling you to get something every three months. that doesn't work. It didn't work for him. It didn't work for Anderson. And they're just openly

telling you to do this. This makes absolutely no sense. But we have this idea, well, it's on CNN. It seems normal. He is, after all, a very important businessman, second richest man on earth. I mean, he's a household name. Surely he wouldn't be telling us to do something that makes no sense. Well, guess what? He is telling you something that doesn't make any sense. It's plainly there for you to see. I would go further than that, Sean. He's plainly telling us to do something that is for some, frankly, dangerous and unfortunately for some fatal. What we know is the vaccines, at least the ones that we're using here, they're the genetic code, the synthetic genetic code for the spike protein of SARS-CoB-2, the spike protein that was devised and altered in a level four biosecurity lab in Wuhan, China. Everybody who's taken these vaccines actually has taken on foreign genetic code for a protein out of a lab in Wuhan, China. And it's all in the open.

You know, the author block of the Moderna clinical trial, one of the key clinical trials, was one of the head communist party military bio-weapons experts. He's actually in the author block of the Moderna and the England General Medicine paper. It's all in the open. It's absolutely all in the open. And so as people take these, and it's astonishing, you know, we're up to about 80% of Americans. We understand 90% of Canadians potentially have taken these. they've actually taken on the foreign genetic code for a dangerous, injurious, and potentially lethal spike protein. You know, as we study this, it looks like the genetic code is not easily dissolved.

It doesn't get out of the body quickly. That's been shown in a paper from Stanford by Holkin and colleagues, at least 60 days stuck in lymph nodes. That's an awful thought. The spike protein lasts in the body almost certainly over a year, according to the work of Bruce Patterson at Incel DX. Everything we've learned about the vaccine since release is bad. 100% bad news. Over 1,000 papers describing vaccine injuries, fatal and non-fatal, 200 on heart damage. Pfizer-Madona official warnings on heart damage, but they all cause heart damage in the published literature.

The special warnings on blood clots on AstraZeneca, but they all cause blood clots again in the peer-reviewed literature. and we have a situation where all experts would agree, we have no assurances on long-term safety, none because there hasn't been a long-term. So anybody who's taken one of these shots has actually not critically thought through this and thought, what is it that I'm taking in my body? What do we know about it? And what do we know about the long-term? And with all of these, you would think that people would have tremendous reservations about taking that.

So I'm going to suggest or I'm going to guess then you don't suggest people get their third, fourth, fifth. It's just not looking good. You know, remember the vaccine started out. I shouldn't, I shouldn't laugh. I just to me, Peter, how many times? Yeah. They started out being an elective. Nobody had a problem with these in January, February of 2021.

They were elective. Actually, lots of people took them. And, you know, there was risks and benefits. and as we learned, but you know, the curves of mass vaccination were plummeting by April of 2021. There were papers analyzing the dust. And in the published literature, it's like the vaccines were causing these deaths, certainly the ones that were closely related in time. And then vaccination fell off a cliff. People wouldn't take it.

Remember, these inducements, you know, have a beer, have a donut, you know, get a million-dollar raffle, free college scholarship. people would not take them, you know, getting inducements at work. No one would take these. Then the mandates came through. And then the mandates, you know, even the companies didn't feel so good about mandates and what have you. So then finally, our president of the United States says, you must do it. There are mandates across the board. And the private employers were like, okay, we'll get, we'll mandate it. And then the Supreme Court steps in and says, no, you know, four out of the five Biden mandates were struck down. Actually, in part by my testimony and that of Jay Batachara that went into the lower court, Judge Dowdy in the Sixth Circuit Court.

You know, so you're talking to where actually, you know, there's history. And in a sense, I'm a character in playing out this national history that we're living. And so the mandates now are kind of in this free fall where companies are starting to get rid of them, including American Airlines and United Airlines and Starbucks and FedEx and IBM. And it just keeps going and going. And so the employers, you know, have this confused approach. You have this unspoken but known what's called countermeasure money coming through a variety of sources to a variety of organizations to, in a sense, handle the COVID crisis and follow certain narratives, follow certain various provisions about social distancing and work density and mass vaccination. And so all of these things are converging on a very confused and frightened public.

You know, I can tell you this much. I've gone across the country. I mentioned Fargo, North Dakota. People are coming out. They want to learn. They've been basically sandbagged on any information on COVID for two years. The medical schools have had no public symposiums. The hospitals have had no public symposiums.

The agencies have not. People have basically been starved of information. They want to go out and meet doctors who are studying this. to know how to treat it. So they come out. And I can tell you in these towns, there's no Moderna rally going on on the other side of town. There's no Pfizer Gala celebration. There's nobody marching in favor of these vaccines. No one. Sean, no one. I think tomorrow, if the vaccines were dropped worldwide, there would be a global celebration. Yeah, I agree with you on the last point, well, majority of them, probably all of them, but the last one specifically, I don't think

anyone's going, let's get everybody, like there's a small little group, but other than that, everybody's like, can we just have life back? Like, can we please go back? Which brings me, you know, as I'm watching the time here for us fellows, we've got a few minutes left. The International Treaty on Pandemic Prevention, Preparedness, and Response, WHO, this is a bunch of companies. I've been kind of like slowly following this. Like, Okay, okay, this makes not like, nope. Here I got one of the leading doctors. I got the author of a book that dug into all this,

and we're watching as the United States and Canada might sign on to a treaty where if they ever decide there's a pandemic, all of a sudden they've got to go in lockstep, all these countries, not just Canada in the United States, we're talking hundreds of countries, lockstep on how to control what happens. And this includes, they can, they can, a pandemic can be considered and it could consist of broad classifications, including increasing cancers, heart conditions, strokes, etc. So this isn't just COVID.

This is like broad. What are your thoughts on this? Well, this is, this is a consolidation, a formalization of, a formalization of, of what has been the ambition all along, which is a global centralized government of the entire earth. And that global centralized command structure supersedes national jurisdictions.

So that was the ambition all along. What we're looking at is empire building. Peter Braygan points to Saudi, he's a very distinguished psychiatrist and author. He's a character in our book. What we're looking at is a modern iteration of empire building, which is an ancient aspiration in history. The Roman Imperium is the most obvious. We don't want to just dominate the people on the Italian peninsula.

We want to govern the entire known world. So it's an imperialist ambition to govern all of mankind. But I think that what's confusing for people is we think of empire building as armies. You know, the Romans had all of these beautifully built roads and armies with immense discipline and the legions that were posted all over the empire that could very, in a very disciplined way, dominate all of the local jurisdictions. The military adventure, military power is very inefficient, it's messy. there's all this violence.

You know, it just, it really is not an effective way at building an empire. What these guys have discovered is public health, the fear of disease spreading. And, you know, national borders obviously don't stop it. It rapidly spreads everywhere. The fear of disease. This is what opens up the possibility for a central command structure. We have the know-how. We made the investments. We have the technology to counter this spreading pandemic. So you, local government, prime minister, president, whoever you may be, you need to listen to us.

You need to follow our script and impose the measures and buy the products and make purchases. commitments to the products that we developed and that we're offering. So notice how quickly Trudeau and Johnson and, you know, the whole gang that, you know, is purportedly in charge of this world, how they all just started implementing the same measures, making the same statements. It's like somebody just handed them a script, which is, by the way, what happened. I mean, this, this biopharmaceutical complex distributed a script. to all the national governments. And so what the WHO is doing now, it's formalizing that.

And that should probably then scare the crap out of all of us, right? Anyone who cares about national sovereignty, anyone who cares about their own personal bodily sovereignty, should be very frightened of an institution in Geneva, Switzerland that's dictating medical policy across all the world to all people, regardless of your age group, regardless. This is a massive centralized intrusion into personal and national sovereignty. It should terrify everybody. Any thoughts on that, Dr. McCullough? Yeah, you know, all health care and medical deliveries between the doctor, the nurses,

and the care team, and the patient. So the fiduciary relationship is very tight. And then it's administered locally. It has to be administered locally because it's all different everywhere. You can imagine how different it is from Calgary to the Congo, you know, from Manhattan to Madagascar. I mean, it's completely different all over the world. Can you imagine 194 countries and the WHO is going to have the authority, binding authority that is basically going to be enforced by international law to declare an emergency. Can you imagine they declare emergency in your town? And you know, you don't have this problem. We've learned that not all pandemics affect everybody. You know, Ebola, we had that in Dallas. We didn't have it all over the country. We've had other

ones. We've had West Nile virus and Zika virus. Each country is different. And what we see here now is now a formalization. And the formalization, by the way, one thing that's clear in all the documents is flows of money. We know that the Gates Foundation in Germany are the biggest funders of WHO, but now with this treaty, watch out. The money's going to be flowing and it's going to be binding. Well, got to love having a podcast where we leave on really high notes, you know, like hopefully I'd love to think that that isn't going to happen, but we'll wait and see and watch. Before I kick you out of here and let you get back to your lives, we do the the cruise. Moodmaster final five brought, it's final segment.

I'm stumbling over words here, boys, you know, must be all the excitement you have, all these different things rolling through my brain. But essentially, it's a final segment brought to you by Crude Master. Heath and Tracy have been huge supporters of the podcast since the very beginning. I've used Heath's words. This will be a change for McCullough. It started off as five questions and the last five minutes, and it just kind of ebbed and flowed. here's your final question normally i give a guess a little bit of time to think on this so i'm going

to put you to the fire there is two of you so hopefully you can buy each other a little bit of time but he said if you're going to stand behind a cause that you think is right then stand behind it absolutely what's something uh you stand behind and we can start with john or peter which uh whichever wants to jump into it i'll tell you i'll stand behind medical freedom and the principle of autonomy me. If I'm a doctor and I have to stand up for a basic human right, I'm going all the way on that one. And John? I am standing up for a good faith, diligent effort to obtain the factual reality of the world that we're in. And anyone who's doing a diligent job of trying to figure it out, I stand behind his or her ability to freely express and to share the information.

that they've discovered. It was treating doctors in the field who figured out how to deal with this problem. It wasn't pontificating academics in Washington, D.C. It was the men and women that were in the trenches that were seeing the patients. I stand behind their right to share their discoveries and their observations with the world.

And I vehemently reject the censorship. Censorship is a cancer. And so I oppose censorship with every bone. Yeah, the censorship thing is something I've certainly felt on this side. I know Dr. McCullough, I mean, you pretty much drove into the paint headlong, and I can just imagine some of the hardships that have come from your angle. Before I let you go, where can people find the book? and if you want them to fall on social media, anything like that, where can they find you guys?

We ask that everyone come to our website, Courage to face COVID.com. Courage to faceCOVID.com. There's a link to purchase the book on our website. Cool. Well, I'm looking forward to digging into it, and I got my copy on order. I did not. do it through your website because that would have been smart, fellas. I should have waited until I until I talk to you. But looking forward to syncing into it. Appreciate you both hopping on and doing this and look forward to maybe, I don't know, at some point, maybe, Peter, you're going to head up north here to the cold lands. We've got no snow right now. You know, I need to. Again, we have to break this grip of totalitarianism. I don't want to be chasing PCR test results.

and quarantines and all these measures. And I know they're ephemeral, but cases are on the rise again. And so how can we plan anything? Because we don't know what the airlines and the borders are going to do. Cases are on the rise. And so we'll have to navigate as we can. Well, fellas, appreciate you hopping on and giving me some of your hard-earned time. Go have a great day.

And thanks again. All right. Thanks, John. Hey, thanks for tuning in today, guys. I hope you enjoyed it. If you haven't liked, subscribe to the podcast, please do leave a review, share with a friend. I got my Patreon account in the show notes. Appreciate all the support.

Either way, we're going to catch up to you tomorrow, Friday. Yes, five podcasts and five days. Some days I think I'm silly, but other days I'm like, I don't know, I just, I'm trying to do the best I can with the tools I got. And there's just been some really, really interesting interviews. that have happened and continue to happen. And I don't want to, like I say, I don't want to worry about waiting two weeks to put some of it out if I can get it out sooner than that.

And so I appreciate you guys holding on for dear life as we rattle off five and five on you. And look forward to talking with everybody and release another one again tomorrow, which will be Kalin Ford. And let me tell you, if you enjoyed this one, you're going to enjoy Kalin Ford. We get into censorship.

and some of the things that happened to her living in Calgary, Alberta, when it comes to, you know, the mob coming for you and that type of thing. It's a really interesting story. She's a really smart lady. But regardless, I'll stop talking. Go have a great day. Enjoy it, and we'll catch up to you tomorrow.