Shaun Newman Podcast - #282 - Marty Up North & Yakk Stack

Episode Date: June 27, 2022

Marty Belanger & Sheldon Yakiwchuk both have earned reputations of following the data put out by the Government of Canada & AHS. Marty has been an engineer for 30+ years and has built a large following on Twitter, while Sheldon publishes a Substack where he details the weekly updates. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Support here:⁠ https://www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast⁠

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dot CA. First has been a petroleum engineer for 30 plus years and is an avid outdoorsman. The second is a data blogger on Substack. I'm talking about Marty Up North and Sheldon Yackichuk. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast tonight. I'm joined by a duo Marty Up North, who of course was back on, back in January.

He came up to the studio. And then Sheldon Yackachachuk, thank you, boys, for hopping on. Well, thank you, man. Truly, I wish I could have been there. There was some circumstances that made it impossible, but I really wish I could have been there in person. We had so much fun last time. Yeah, and thanks for the invite.

I mean, it's an absolute honor to sit with Marty. I mean, he's one of the first stats guys that I kind of found in the province. And, you know, and yourself, Sean, just having a podcast to kind of get us out there and help expand our reach, man. It's a pleasure to be with both of you tonight, honestly. Likewise. Well, let's start with Sheldon. Maybe normally, well, no, I'm going to continue what I normally do, which is I'd like

to just give a brief introduction to yourself, just so the audience can have an idea of who they're listening to. Certainly, if any of them follow your yak stack on substack, I don't think that needs much introduction. But at the same time, there's going to be a lot of people who've never heard of you, Sheldon. And if you want to give a little brief synops. fire away. Yeah. And that's a that's a real easy thing for me to do, Sean. I am quite honestly one of the least interesting people on the planet. And, uh, and the fact that anybody reads any of my

information or would even watch me on a podcast is just completely shot. Um, no, I do a lot of analytics. And it comes to me because just, you know, natural knack for looking at patterns. Um, I've done a lot with markets. I've done a lot with automation and automation in out of markets or what some would consider high frequency trading or trading over long terms is based on certain analytics. So, you know, my actual background is a lot in technical analysis, in troubleshooting. And then you can take that same information, that troubleshooting, and then kind of apply it into different areas is where I kind of have my niche.

So, you know, finding stuff that's broken and it's, it's never an idea of, okay, it's broken. Now what do we do? For me, it's always more of an understanding of, okay, it's broken. How do we fix it? And I think that's a lot why myself and Marty kind of really get along. I mean, he's a lot smarter than I am. But on the grassroots side of things is, yeah, there's nothing that I haven't broken. And I look to fix it.

that's me man and yourself marty uh just reintroduce yourself for for the listener who hasn't tuned into uh you know your january podcast yeah so i'll reintroduce myself actually i go by marty up north which is a moniker i developed uh from my years living up in grand prairie you know um when when you had to pick a social name for uh whether whether it be an ebay or whatever but uh i'm i'm a 30 year engineer and i'm an engineer who who just loved to to solve oil and gas problems, you know, head down, ass up, never political, never on social media, nothing like that, you know, from from 1990 when I graduated until about 2013, I just minded my own business. And then something in 2013, you know, you got the election of Notley and you got the

election of Trudeau shortly after that. And suddenly I became political. I don't know why, but I became political. Well, I know why I became political because they started, they started interfering in my life. And then and then and then I wanted to do something and then I discovered these social medias. And for me in particular, it was Twitter. And, and, uh, you know, there's several media platforms, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube. I'm known on YouTube. I do a lot of videos on YouTube for my outdoor adventures. But Twitter is my all out, um, blood sport political platform. And in the case of COVID, well, actually, we've had no, we've had no lack of interesting issues. issues to discuss in this country in the last few years. And that's what brings us here. I mean,

I'm literally trying to, for lack of a better word, the world's been insane for the last two, three years. And I'm trying to use every platform imaginable to try and bring some sanity to this world. And I think Sheldon is doing the same thing and you're doing the same thing, Sean. So that's what brings us together right now. I was just looking it up while you're talking. Episode 235, that was back on January 17th was when you first hopped on the podcast. And there's a lovely little COVID warning there to make sure that you get updated with the proper information, which I chuckle about. Certainly, we talked a lot about a lot of different subjects on that episode. So it's, you know, even since we last talked, Marty, six months ago, so many things have changed.

And I thought maybe we'd start action on the other side of the fence on Sheldon because I was saying to this just before we started. one of the things leading up to the Ottawa convoy maybe even a little bit past there everybody was paying attention to everything numbers what would say you but as the mandates continue to drop I don't think anybody's paying attention to anyone except Mr. Sheldon and I thought maybe we'd start with this what is the data showing what are you seeing from the data as you keep track everything well I mean there's there's a lot to it but the number one thing now is over the last three weeks, the boosted population of Canada has exceeded the, you know, the fully and partially and not protected in cases, in hospitalizations, and in mortality. So there was a recent update, and I just actually tweeted this out, like right before the show. I had 12 minutes, and I thought, why not, I'll bust it out. So, you know, when you look at it, and I'm I'm just going to kind of refer to a couple of spreadsheets here. From May 29th to June 5th, so just the last week of reporting, and this is on Health Canada,

Health Canada's website, the info database, is that 72% of the cases, which is kind of shrunk down, are in the vaccinated, 82% of the hospitalizations and 84% of the mortality is all inside of the vaccinated community. and 54% of the cases, 60% of the hospitalizations, and 65% of the mortality is in the boosted population. So really what it is, and I've tried to keep reiterating the same main point. It's the same thing that we all know, is there's only one certain population of Canada that has ever been at risk. And we knew them by their names, addresses, and phone numbers through their health care records. records in Canada to protect them. Instead, we've turned this into a large conversation of

vaccinated or how many- You're talking Sheldon about like the 80-year-olds or the 70-year-olds and long-term care facilities, generally speaking, or who are you talking about? And that's exactly it, Marty. So even when you break down today's data off of the database, 93% of the mortality is inside of those that are above the age of 60. And like when we first started into this and before vaccinations, that number was as high as like 96%. 96%. I know you know this, Marty, from the Alberta statistics, is inside of people with preexisting health conditions. So what we're really looking at, you know, not mentioning the statistics on morbid obesity, because that's something that Canada doesn't want to talk about. It's not

politically correct. But what you're looking at is, is 93% of the mortality is, you know, inside of the 60 plus. 96% of that is in people with pre-existing health conditions. The balance is made up with people that aren't diagnosed yet. And there's a lot of that is consumption-related diseases, which I talk about quite frequently, just simply because I was in that boat for a number of years. I spent five years kind of bedridden based on health, listening to doctors and where they went until I finally just said enough.

That's it for me. And Sean, you know, and to paraphrase what the, or to answer the question that you asked, Sheldon, you know, I looked at the data just like Sheldon did for the longest time. And I just got to put some context. I mean, remember two years ago when this pandemic started, we were told that the silver bullet, the way out of this pandemic was the vaccine. So we tried all these mandates. We were told it was the vaccine. And what focused me was once we started doing the vaccines, what I wanted to see was, was it working? And so my answer initially was, no, it wasn't working, you know.

And that's why I was constantly getting in trouble for saying it's not working. And then kudos to Sean, because Sheldon, sorry, Sheldon. Sheldon kept the battle up of reporting. I ended up stopping reporting on the message because I got stumped so many times. I got stopped so many times. I had so many accounts canceled that you would lose, you know, my information. would sort of disappear and I'd be starting all over and I got frustrated. So and that's one of the reasons I stopped.

But the other reason I stopped and this and I think we're going to have an interesting discussion on this, the government made the data harder and harder and harder to find. And at first I gave the government the benefit of the doubt. I thought, okay, they're just slowly weaning us off the data to help us move on. And I gave them that benefit of the doubt. but the more we moved on, the more I realized they're trying to purge some of this data because it truly did show that it was ineffective and there's some liability and they want to protect themselves. They don't want us to remember what happened. So kudos to Sheldon for continuing to dig into that data because we need to continue remembering the narrative and not letting them get away with murder for lack of a better word.

So does that kind of make sense? Sheldon, what's your thoughts on that? And to just pick up on what you're saying, I mean, the freedom of information documents from BC with, you know, Bonnie Henry kind of going over what's happened with, you know, inside of British Columbia. I've taken to knock those stats down and I've kind of analyzed them against the Health Canada information. I threaded it out on Twitter and then I just recently did it.

you know, two hours before the show here and looked at, you know, the comparative analysis. So what was happening in BC from the emails that we looked at, you know, on a specific date, which was March 15th of 2021, is they had 79 reports of antiphylaxis. Well, when you look at the vaccine injuries from Health Canada, for the entire country, they only reported 59. So you know that there's data that's not even being reported. it. And there's still over 8,000 deaths on the table two that I break down in my statistics from Health Canada that don't even show up on that list. The holes in the data are glaring. I mean,

we're we're all saying that. We've seen that. We saw it when they were being, we saw it when we thought they were being transparent with the data now after the fact it's even, you know, there's so many holes in the data, so many holes. And even like when I looked at it right now, in just taking in in Canada right now there's 9,515 and this only goes up to May 13th 9,515 serious reports of adverse events but if you break it down by age groups you know 93% of the mortality was inside of the 60 plus group 70% of the 70% of the adverse reactions were inside of the 0 to 59 age groups. So when you break that down, what it looks like is that there's a possibility

that there's more than 2.6 times the amount of people that were injured by the vaccine seriously than there actually was deaths. And what's interesting is when Sheldon does his analysis, I notice it all the time and when I used to do it, we get challenged to a level that's absolutely fanatical, you know, and people will challenge saying, is it 50% or is it 40% more? And it's like, holy smokes, folks, the fact that it's 1% more is, is, is should be caused for alarm. You know, people are people are are, are nitpicking us on our interpretation of the data. You know, it's like somebody, it's like I said when, you know,

we've all seen the change of the narrative where the vaccine will you won't die from it you won't go to the hospital you won't go to ICU you won't get sick your symptoms won't be that bad and we're we're constantly down in the weeds now we've got people who challenge us on on on on minutia of our analysis when in fact you should be absolutely shocked because it is not doing anything that you've been promised to do and i find it fascinating that humans have managed to do the mental gymnastics and convince themselves that they're defending it. Can you explain it? Sheldon, what's your perception?

Why are people defending it so hard? You know, and there's still doctors, and I get into these Twitter battles all the time with Twitter docs, and I specifically call them Twitter docs. You can easily identify the Twitter docs. I mean, some of them will make it up to the 10, 15,000 follower levels, but the real doctors that are on Twitter right now, they're in the hundreds of thousands. So, I mean, I follow a couple of, you know, the top docs inside of Canada. And those are the people, well, not in Canada, but the top docs that I consider on Twitter.

And they have hundreds of thousands of followers. So, I mean, if you look at like Weinstein or Batacharya, those are the people that, you know, have the voice that really speak to the masses. And they speak to the masses kind of globally for the simple reason being is that it's not just in Canada. Now, you know, for your for your sophomore, for me, you know, even. for you, Sean. I mean, we're very localized. We don't get the same reach because we're speaking about Canada. I mean, we're 38 million people. The United States is 10 times that. If you look at the UK, I mean, if we kind of rolled it all into the bigger marketplaces, we'd have much more of a reach. But instead, you know, we look at the doctors that are actually saying the same things

that make sense and that will translate because it's not specific data compared to Canada. They're ideas they're what's actually happening um but who are the doctors that are saying it though who are the doctors that are not being censored right now because i mean even last week like they were just like three days ago that that young female doctor that reviewed the uh four four month old the five year old data she got she got censored right away uh yeah yeah yeah yeah and and you know what i I found her on there. What's her actually? Right.

Yeah, Dr. Claire, Dr. Claire Craig, sorry. I found that. And I was actually working on a Twitter, and I've done this several times, is when there are families in distress, and I call it in distress because there'll be, you know, a mother that wants their children vaccinated

and the father doesn't, or there'll be a father that wants their children vaccinated, and the mother doesn't. So what I've been doing is working on some of these cases and trying to, you know, bring up as much the most relevant data on what the risk is to children so that they can present that to their spouse as an opposing argument. It's, you know, it's like, let's stop listening to what the government's saying and let's look at what the actual data is showing. And in 27 months of

pandemic, there's 33 children under the age of five that have died. I mean, it's tragic. Don't get me wrong. But the earliest and the only Canadian study on COVID with children show that that the hospitalizations and the ICU rates are based on just simple concern. When you have somebody that age and they have a respiratory illness or they have any sort of condition. I mean, you know, Marty, you're a parent. Sean, I'm not sure about you. I'm a grandparent.

I've gone through this. Three kids. Yeah. And that's awesome. But you bring up a great point, though, which is something we've seen lately to the point of the families. I've seen that a lot lately, parents asking, you know, a question. on Twitter, which is interesting because you know, you're supposed to go ask those questions of

your doctor. We live in an era where you'll ask the Twitter world, should I vaccinate my kids? I saw one like that today. And it's a challenge to, that's what I'd like to be able to do is provide an opinion, an informed opinion, but we're being, there's a lot of limitations put on our opinions. Let me put it. Yeah, go ahead. Well, I'm just, I'm listening to you. to go back and forth. It's very interesting to me, right? Two guys who analyze the data. And as you sit and talk all the data points,

I get the same thing happens to me over and over again. And that is, it's not like a glaze. It's like so many numbers, it's hard to keep up. And so what I'm trying to get at is the fact that our mainstream media, our government, didn't acknowledge that you go back to what just came out in the BC newspaper about the anaphylactic shock and how it doesn't match up to Canada's numbers and all these different things. Do you think the complicit nature of corporate media to just continue talking the narrative,

continue talking to the narrative, no matter what, is why so many people, including myself, hear all the numbers and I go, well, it must not be that bad because, I mean, if it was that bad, there'd be people dropping dead everywhere and the government would surely have to talk about. it. I'm being a little bit dramatic, but you kind of get the point. Is that like the biggest glaring? Because they just stick to the talking points. They stick to the straight and narrow. Eventually, does it burst or is that even the right way of phrasing it? That's the biggest part of the con though, Sean. Everybody believes that they're at risk. Everybody believes that they're not going to survive COVID if they get it. And if they have their vaccines, they're only going to get sick.

And when they get sick, they're happy because they're not dead. But the biggest part of the con is, is that nobody's ever under really understood that they were never at risk like there's such a small percentage of the population that was ever ever at risk from COVID but everybody's been drummed into the idea that they were always at risk but they're at less risk with each jab and and the factual data behind it doesn't substantiate that um you know when when when I say you know the highest risk by by vaccination is the people with the most amount of chat. and those are the people dying fastest. People look at it and they go,

well, that's misinformation. Well, no, it's not misinformation because this is what your government of Canada is telling you. This is what Health Canada has on their website. So you can call me a liar, but here's the links. And that's one of the biggest things is that I've always provided the links to the information, along with my breakdown.

And when you show people this thing, they just say, oh, well, no, that's face rate fallacy. Well, or, you know, they show one little simple chart that goes back to December 14th, 2020, when, you know, Canada first started rolling out the vaccines. And you take that same screenshot and then you show them that on December 14th, 2020, five people in the entire country were vaccinated. 80 died from COVID. There's your base rate fallacy. And they go, well, yeah, but that's, you know, everybody's under the assumption that 85% percent. percent of the population and i still see this today 85 percent of the population was vaccinated on the

same day and that's why uh the unvaccinated looked that much more unhealthy well it's not true by the time one percent of the population was vaccinated in canada there was 8 000 deaths and i and i broke this down since um february the 18 um that's when 1 percent of the population of canada was fully vaccinated like there was 8 000 deaths up to there. Since then, only 20% of the deaths, according to Health Canada data, is inside of the unvaccinated population. 80% of the mortality from that point on is in the vaccinated communities. And that's the combination of the people that took the jab and died before protection. The one dose only, the doubles, the doubles, the doubles. I mean, we're up to five

jabs right now. People are still dying from COVID. And there's still people rooting. for this madness. Yeah. So I, so I, you know, to your initial question, Sean, I, you know, we're overthinking it, which we talked about this last time on the podcast. I mean, humans are, you know, our lizard brain is conceived, has evolved to fear disease. It's, it's, it's, and risk, assessing personal risk is a, is a complicated thing. I mean, I do it as an engineer all the time. I have to assess risk. And when you assess your own risk, you're full of these biases. So you either, you're either, um, incorrectly assume a risk won't happen to you or incorrectly assume

it will happen. But there's too many biases. And so our brains are, are evolved to think that we're going to die of a disease. I mean, for the, you know, for, for the 99, for the first 99% of human history, we died of natural causes, disease, snake bites, accidents in the, in nature. And so, a virus like COVID scares the shit out of us, even though I can show, which we showed mathematically that the risk is like non-existent. And then we've been sold on this silver bullet, which is the vaccine. And now no matter how much I show that the vaccine is ineffective against a non-existent risk, in fact, the vaccine, I think we're showing is more harm than good. But we're we're fighting. We're fighting human nature is what it is.

We're fighting human nature. And then we have politicians and medias and whatnot to just jump on that bandwagon. I mean, it's easy for them. And so we're not going to win against the big juggernaut of government and the media. We're just not going to. And I'm going to add to that just for a second here is that in the court case, where Jeff Rath and Layton Gray were against the province and Alberta Health Services. late in gray had brought up one of the studies that was published for Alberta Health Services

and it was how to gear the message of risk towards the general population of course this is in Alberta and the biggest thing that they wanted to focus on and it wasn't the data they said you know let's not focus on the new data and the new information around COVID what we have to do is we have to employ what they call the behavioral change wheel. I do have a substack on that that kind of lays that all out. And I did another one in a thread on Twitter. And people were absolutely just astonished. But there's Alberta Health documentation that you can download that shows that what they did is they worked to scare people into thinking that COVID was a higher risk than it was, into getting them into complying with the regulations.

And there's other studies that have been published that show the same thing. Now, I can show it on the other. Sorry, go ahead. No, no, which now we get a little bit into the conspiracy side, which I'm okay with, which is if the, you know, I'm assuming that the government knows the data. So the government should know that it's not that big of risk. And the government should know that the cure is not that effective.

Which brings up the question, why does the government keep going down this path? Is it just a stubbornness on their part? Is it an ulterior motive? Or is it you're stuck between a rock and a hard place and you've got to continue the narrative? Because admitting that you were wrong is just in politics, you know, a death sentence. You know, are we at that point right now where some days I feel like that. Some days I feel like it's, you know, Sean, go ahead. You got something on your mind, I could tell.

Well, I just, I go back to John Leak, John Leak, the author with Peter McCullough, I'm spacing on his first name, but he was on the podcast. And I asked something very similar to him, Marty, and he just talked about it being criminal. Once you make it in your head that it's criminal, you know, it makes it pretty easy to stare at. And I'm not saying that every politician is criminal. I'm just saying right now in the States, the FDA is about to approve, I think, a shot from zero to four-year-olds, zero to five-olds. They already have. There you go. So it's like at what point, like all of us, anyone can look this up. Go look at little little kids. Like they're like 0.000, whatever the number you guys know it better than I do. And you go, why would they want that? Well, that right there is, uh, is got to be all about money. Like, sure, there are a couple kids that might need it. Maybe. Can I say that aloud? Like maybe. But the data says even the sickest of the young. don't need it because they're, you know, pretty much irrelevant from anything that's going on. Like you go 19 and younger, there's no need to vaccinate any of them.

Yeah, and the money is a good one. I mean, they always say follow the money. I kind of think at this point, they've painted themselves into a hard situation and they're not going to give up on it. They can't, I think politicians just can't admit that they were wrong. And, you know, I was hoping there'd be somebody somewhere around the world that would save us and admit that it wasn't working. but those saviors are, you know, we talked about that two, six months ago. They're not, nobody's coming to save us. We, we, we're on our own.

We're on our own, yeah. Well, look at, go, go way back to when the vaccinations first worked out. Who was the last in line for all the Western countries to sign contracts with, with the major vaccination companies? What political leader was last in line? It was Justin Trudeau. and he got absolutely railed on. He's seen how angry the country was at him for not even lining up contracts with the major manufacturers of these vaccines. So when he's seen that and then he latched onto it, he's got that now.

And if you look at how he actually won the last federal election in September of 2021, he's seen that the momentum is still on people's fear of COVID and their want of belief in the vaccine. So he's literally turned, you know, the majority amount of people at that time had already been vaccinated. See a play to your favorites. I'm just in the case of Trudeau. I'm never willing to give him the benefit of the doubt of having come up with an intelligent solution to anything. It stumbled on his lap and he took advantage of it perhaps. But even if you don't give Trudeau credit, his team, you can give credit because they used it well.

Yeah. Oh, they absolutely. Yeah. It's been nothing more than the political tool for Trudeau. You remember the emotional pleas throughout the election where he was slamming the conservatives about them putting his child at risk on an airplane. Oh, my God. You know, and what his kids are under 20? What was their risk ever from COVID?

It was zero. It was nothing. And then when you see Trudeau and, you know, taking a trip, see you too in the Ukraine or with his kids, you think, who's really putting their kids at risk? I mean, I don't want to get into the whole Ukraine thing. I am, I am Ukrainian. I don't follow the situation because I think it's just smoking mirrors. It's more colored bubbles that are, you know, meant to kind of distract us from really what's going on inside of Canada and another way for. So what's your path forward, Sheldon?

Oops, you're going to keep doing this for a while longer? Or what's your endgame on COVID reporting? I said I'm not stopping until the vaccines are completely pulled. That's it. The mandates are terrible. They're stupid. They've never made sense. And I said it before.

Like how many people have to die with an app on their phone before they realize an app on their phone means absolutely nothing? And when we look at it, what percentage of the population is with one dose or with two doses, they're still considered vaccinated right now. Right now. They still show up in different categories. But they literally, even if the vaccine did work with the waning immunity, they have no protection. Which plays into one of the things I want to talk about too is are they going to change the definition to three doses for fully vaccinated?

Are they really that crazy? They're going to say up to date. Are your vaccinations up to date? Which forces you up to date will be. what, a three-month expiry, six-month expiry, something like that? Yeah. A local doctor just posted something in a Twitter argument that I was on. And it basically showed that after seven days, the protection window is 37 days, which means there's a 30-day window when you have this protection, supposed protection,

from the vaccination that was geared towards alpha that shows zero protection from any of the variants of Omicron. but they're still saying it's like 30 days. Well, you know what that means is that when you get the jab, you literally have to lock yourself inside of the house for that 14-day window. The same thing that we've seen in the Alberta data, you know, when they have the spikes that they have a speed map. So you've got to keep yourself locked down for that first 14 days just to make sure that you escape that seven-day window of an increased risk category.

And then after that, you're okay for about 30 days, but they can't really say who that 30 days really lasts. And, you know, they still don't really know who is impacted by the adverse reactions. But they do know that it's about 30 days for some people. So, I mean, it's literally, you know, we're going to be living our life instead of a 45-day cycle of get vaccinated, waited out, wait 30 days, get vaccinated again, and wait another seven days before you can get out. it's literally one of the reasons I you know you're describing an endemic disease and so if it is endemic we got to get to that point which and one of one of the ways is to stop talking about it so it's a it's it's it's a it's a double-edged sword so I you know and again I we need to keep talking about

it but at the same time at some point we need to also stop talking about it and I'm wondering if we're going to if we're going to stop, like, are other nations stopping to talk about it? Like, does it stop at a political cycle? Does it stop when Trudeau gets defeated? Does it stop when, when, when Kenny leaves? Is that, is that when we've truly entered the endemic phase of this, of this pandemic? I think Germany just got locked down again, didn't they? Like with masks? Like, they, they were thrown back into the mask mandates. Trudeau's not there. And you try and think, Well, how does that happen? Like, there's never really been anything to support the masks.

And it's looking at these, you know, filthy rags that people throw on their faces. Like, I'm sure half of these people have picked a mask off the ground and put it on or they've had it in their pocket. And, you know, I kind of looked at the studies that were done around the masks. And for the amount of time that people are wearing those things throughout the day, what they go through with what they're contacting with their hands and where they are, it's a petri dish. I mean, you're literally wearing a disease factory around your face. Not to mention, you're restricting your oxygen. And early on, on the first studies that I'd seen around the masks, is you're causing your body acidosis and you're poisoning your kidneys

by restricting the amount of oxygen and breathing into too much CO2. The people that are the most angry about climate change because of CO2 are the ones that want to keep wearing masks on their face because they believe that's a healthier way to live. It's complete fucking insanity. Sean, so I'm sorry for something. in that but it totally is. Mark Changese was a was a theoretical cognitive scientist that was on the podcast back in the 271 I think and he talked about I believe he's in Ohio if memory serves me correct

and he said February 2020 no February 2021 a year ago he said pretty much everybody was done with it there Like, I mean, overall, sure, it was talked about a little bit, but he said, for the most part, like, it was just over. Like, he goes, the reason he kept talking about it is he said he watched what was going on in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, certainly other countries in the world. But he said, down in the states, and that was, somebody can correct me on this, but I believe Ohio is a blue state. He said, like, overall, we were done. Like, we were moving on with life. and it's been, you know, I come back to Marty's, Marty's thought, like, are we going to talk our way out of this?

Or are we going to stop talking? And once they realize that nobody gives a crap anymore, are we going to move on? That's the scary part about it, though, Sean. That really is. If we let this die out without knowing the full truth behind what's kind of gone on, they'll do it again. And that's a big part of the reason that I keep reporting on this.

it's not that I want people to just be aware. I want them to be angry. Right. At what's been going on. I want them to be angry. And you just reminded me of something, both of you, you know, yeah, I think it was over. It dragged on a little bit longer in Canada for whatever a couple of odd reasons. I mean, for sure, we got a prime minister who's just plain scared of coming out of hiding and dealing with real issues.

You know, Trudeau's not a real issue's guy. So he took advantage of COVID that suited him. And perhaps it went a little bit too long. And then we created it a small problem. The trucker convoy almost got us out of it. But when Trudeau went one step further and invoked that emergency measures act, he used a power that almost no other nation on earth used. And by that act, he had to drag this out a little bit longer because he has to justify

by using that damn power. And so, you know, because when I look around the world, there aren't too many countries that still have the kinds of mandates that we have. And I got to try and find, you know, what sets us apart. It's not cultural. You know, we have a similar culture to Americans and Australians and Europeans. We have a similar parliament. We have, you know, similar everything.

But we have a really narcissistic, childish leader who did something really. and we we pushed him and he did something really foolish, which was invoked that emergency measures act. And now he backed himself into a corner and he's going to hang on to this a little bit longer. So to your point, I think we might have been out of this a little bit earlier that now I'm spinning myself and thinking, oh, maybe the truck convoy did a little bit more harm than good. But on the flip side, the good that came out of the truck convoy will be, it will make anybody think twice about doing this into the future. And if anybody ever attempts it into the future, that's where I will bring back the truck convoy gladly and go, that's why they did it.

That's why that you, that, you know, people said, why the truck convoy, what freedom are you worried about? It's like, well, I'm worried about some freedoms today, but I'm also worried about some freedoms in the future. So the truck convoy, yeah, I'm spitting a, does that kind of make sense? Am I seeing, am I picking up on something there? you're absolutely right i i think you know and it's you know whenever you see a little bit of a slippage and and this is what what really upsets me i mean i'm i'm pretty staunch conservative as far as things go but i'm not a can't a can't support the party i have a real tough time in supporting uh you know pierre bob ray if he'd stepped up a couple of years ago

we wouldn't even be in this mess right now and i'm very confident of that um and reason being is like when you see no tool floundering around and even seen Jason Kenny, who didn't even know what a vaccine passport was. And a month later, we've got vaccine passports. You know, he took a billion dollar bribe from the federal government, you know, under a handshake so that he could actually show that we did really good in our budget. Like it was embarrassing. It was so embarrassing to watch Kenny, first off, be bitch slapped for two years. He'll be a case study. He'll be studied politically. Political science students will study Jason Kenney 20 years some now.

They won't. They won't. They absolutely won't. He's the biggest dollars on the planet. O'Toole. They're dullards. You know, stick to the principles that the people they elected you under. You know, you can't flounder around because of a few people in Ottawa. They have the country behind them in what they were saying. and then when O'Toole couldn't make an actual, you know, um, voice come out of his mouth that didn't sound like his mouth was full of marbles. You know, you're looking at the guy and you're going, what,

uh, what is this guy talking about? Um, and it was bad. But when you've seen how badly Kenny allowed himself to be manipulated throughout this whole thing and, and thinking that he could hide behind closed doors and, um,

you know, cabinet confidence. It's so bad. It's so disgusting is what it is. and to try and get behind the conservative party with this kind of leadership. I like Pierre Poveray. I do. And I would have supported him 100%.

And I'd have rallied for him. I'd have to knock doors for him. At this point, not one of these guys is still standing up to what we're seeing inside of Canada behind this COVID stuff. And that's what's the most upsetting about it. After watching all these documents come out of BC, seeing that there are MLAs looped into the conversation inside of BC, knowing the amount of information that I've sent to MLAs, MPs, and had other

subscribers do the same thing too. Seeing the responses that we got was pure ignorance. And it's like you cannot not know what's going on globally. You cannot not know what's going on. Expand on that a bit. I know you've been doing that, but give us a little taste of what you've been, you know, specifically with BC. I'm not familiar with BC.

What's been going on over there? Well, it's just the recent FOLI. documents that have dropped. There's literally an MLA that's on the thing going, hey, what's going on here? And they're going on, and I know everything's cool. This is where it comes back to, Marty, with them knowing about the anaphylactic shock and everything early on, right? Like, they, they knew about it early on. And I assume they justified it because the number of people getting, and once again, Sheldon can correct me on this, because I'm sure I'm getting it somewhat wrong, but the way I read the article is it's almost like they knew about it,

but they thought, ah, it's just a small little number. It's nothing to worry about. But that was early on. And the fact that that number doesn't even, it's way higher already than the total Canadian number. You come back to what you two we were talking about at the start,

which is there's bullet holes or Swiss holes in the Swiss cheese. Like the numbers have holes across them all over the place, which means as much as you can trust them, you realize, man, this is this is going to run deep because they knew about it and they still pushed on it. And there was one comment. Sorry, go ahead, Marty. No, and the beauty of our Canadian system is, you know, is that the machine is so big.

The data collection is so big. You got doctors that, you know, they inject. There's a side reaction. They fill out a little form. They put it in a computer and away it goes. And the effort necessary to hide the data is impossible. So no matter what, through access of information and other. requests. It might take decades, but eventually we will absolutely get to the truth because

they will not be able to hide the data because there's just so much of it coming in. To a certain extent, but what are anybody going to understand by that point? In the documents, again, you know, it was exposed and somebody said, hey, we seem to have a lot higher rate of anaphylaxis in British Columbia than it's being reported in the country. Like, is this a concern? And it should be a concern. You know, and I've said it all along. I mean, if we're studying health on a holistic scale, there's a lot of factors that are involved in that.

And that goes down to ethnicity. It goes down to beliefs. And, you know, a lot of us like to believe that, you know, inside of British Columbia, they are more focused on their health. They are more focused on a natural sort of state. But if that now, and I hear you, but I also. rate of anaphylaxis, that in itself is a study alone. That's something that needs to be talked about. Yeah, and it's not just anaphylaxis. I mean, I hear you, but I wish more doctors,

you know, I'm sure there's doctors who've noticed, I don't know, you know, a higher instances of premature births or a higher instances of heart palpitations, whatever the medical term is. And I'm sure, you know, lots of doctors identify things, but how come it's not being talked about? Because I know, like I said, in my world, if suddenly, you know, we, we start having a certain material crack over and over and or somebody's using a certain material to drill a well and there's blowouts, we don't hide it. We share that information and we communicate it, which is a whole other back to the whole censorship. You know, it's not just the average Joe on the street like you and I that have been censored. I also feel that the true medical professionals have been censored or,

I just literally sat and talked with two of the co-founders of Free to Fly, Greg Hill, a military man pilot, Matt Sattler, civilian-turned pilot. And right there, like, they come from an industry. We talk in depth about it. They come from an industry where you share every little detail, every concern. They're like, you know. If you land and your brakes jam on your 737. You talk about it. You talk about it. Exactly. And now the culture is shifted because of what they're seeing. And nobody's allowed to talk about anything. And if they do speak up about certain things, well, then they're reprimanded. And I think that reprimand goes across pretty much anyone right now. Right. It doesn't matter if you're a doctor, a lawyer, or a politician. Like, just look at Kathy a wagon tall. I'll tell you this quick story. I mean, I'm an engineer and I'm a registered engineer with a Pega and I got audited. So,

31 years I've been registered with a Pega. And out of the blue, like four months ago, when I start working for this little outfit, I get an email saying, we have questions about your whatever scope of practice. And I'm like, wow, that is like totally interesting. And it wasn't a coincidence. I mean, it went fine. And they couldn't, you know, there's nothing. You know, I'm, I'm my dues are paid.

Basically my dues are paid. But, but I, I mentioned it to my boss. I'm like, that felt a little weird that audit. That felt a little weird. And so it's, and I'm an engineer. I imagine the medical profession is being audited like that too. But look at the, look at the airline. And I'm going to go back to this, Sean.

You know, they're, they talk about everything. And I know a couple of pilots. And I've had conversations with them over what they've seen. And it's pilots no longer being able to fly because they can't pass physical. And we've seen, you know, even with. I'm not going to say the name of the. airline, but there was one airline in Calgary that had to turn a plane around just after it departed because there was a medical emergency inside of the cockpit. Now, that's the one that we got

to see. What about the ones that we don't get to see? And that's the tweet that was one of the tweets that got me in trouble. One of my early tweets that got me censored is because I made a comment along the lines of you're more at risk of flying in the plane with a vaccinated pilot than you are. of flying with COVID. And I tried to loop it that way and that got flagged. I've openly stated that I'm going to wait for two years before I fly again. I don't want to fly with a pilot that's been jabbed or for the risks of myocarditis and what the increased pressure from elevation is going to cause them.

I even said, you know, if they ever go to a policy of vaccinated versus unvaccinated pilot, I'd pay extra for the unvaccinated pilot. And I know a lot of others would, too. But the thing about it is, is if they move towards, and I mean, we see what the mess, the airline industry is in right now. If they move towards that third jab, it's still going to be on, you know,

the airline industry, the rail and on boats, which they can't even do in BC anymore with the BC ferries. Another story altogether. But if they go to that third jab for mandate, what do you think is going to happen to our airline industry in Canada.

I don't think a lot of pilots can line up for that third job, man. I really don't. Go ahead. Well, I was just going to switch the topic just slightly. Sudden Death, Sudden Adult Death Syndrome. Shelton, you were on Wayne Road Trail. I hope I'm pronouncing his last name right. And this is one of the things he'd put out.

According, as you can see, you know, this show started, as my listeners get probably annoying with me always bringing up, but it got started around athletes, sports, that type of thing. So I found this very interesting. According to an international Olympic committee data, an average of 29 athletes under the age of 35 suffer from sudden death per year from 1966 to 2004. So 136. We actually brought up the same study, but go ahead. Yeah, 35 deaths on average per year for essentially 40 years. Okay. From March 21 to to March 22, 769 athletes have died or suffered cardiac arrest. Yeah.

You know, like my brain always tries to rationalize like, oh, we've never paid attention to this. Or, you know, I try and, you know, like, since when have we calculated all these athletes? Maybe this happens lots. And then you read that and you go, or it could just be about a 2,500% increase. Well, I mean, look at what we're doing with weather right now. Polar vortex is and what was that rain thing that they called last year? Like we're coming up with these incredible terms to suit the narrative,

but we're ignoring what's happening inside of actual healthy people. So we want to scare people about it being cold in wintertime. We call it a polar vortex. And that heat wave we had last summer, We called it a, I don't even know what we called it, you know, so there were some fires. I mean, does climate change exist? Atmospheric rivers, that's the term you're looking for. Yeah, it's not clouds anymore.

But, but, but, but, but I want to go back to, so what were you, what was your, so, so you're, you're talking about, uh, an event that occurred 40 times a year for the last hundred years and suddenly it occurs like 700 times. and somehow other are people blowing it off as just a coincidence? I mean, yeah, how could you do that? How could, you know, like in another, a similar example to that. People always say, you know, you're not a doctor. How can you comment on something?

I'm like, I'm able to look at evidence. When I saw Ford Explorers exploding on the highways by the hundreds or whatever, you know, Pinto's week, when, when events are recorded over and over and over, you can't ignore it. It's not. So are people ignoring that the the sudden adult deaths? I'm. Was sudden adult death? Like obviously it was going back over what what the the story reads. Obviously once upon it's always been something. Just not that prevalent, right? Like I mean, obviously prevalent enough to be there. But I've never heard of, I've heard of debt. I think everybody's heard of SIDS before. But yeah, I've never heard of SADs before, ever.

I'd never heard a mild carditis. Either by. 2019 or 20 prior to the jabs. I never even heard myocarditis. But again, that's kind of what I was getting to is that we're now in the age of information. So you think, am I hearing more about it now because I'm just more in tune with it? Or am I hearing more about it now because there's more of it actually happening? And that's why the statistical analysis is that much more important.

You know, when you can say, you know, there was SADS death, you know, an increase in SADS death. people go, okay, yeah, well, so maybe more people have always died and we just never heard about it. We're just hearing about it now. Is it a coincidence or is it just because we're more aware? Are there more thunderstorms now? Are there more heat waves now? Or are we just hearing about it more now? Because we're more informed. There's more people on the internet. There's more. Well, no, but then there's a whole other point, there's a whole other point though, which is even though, we've all done the tests. even though the information is there, we're being fed what they,

whether it's on purpose by the mainstream media or the algorithms, we're being fed what they think we want to consume. So it's crazy how often I hear of a trend. And I hear somebody else. Somebody else will say that to me. Hey, did you hear there were 700 athletes died this year? And then they Google it and they find it. And I Google it and I can't find it.

So it's not just what I'm being fed. it's literally what I'm able to seek out. Yeah. So there's a massive control going on. So we have this massive information, but we still can't find everything we need. No, that's absolutely right. You know, there is certain algorithms that control all search engines. And for the most part, it's just, you know, who's paying what.

And, you know, you always hear that the loneliest place on the planet is a page four of a Google search, right? Nobody ever gets there. I mean, if you show up on page four of a Google search, you're gone. You don't exist. So yeah, when you, you know, when you enter in the wrong keywords or the keywords into the wrong order, you're not going to see exactly what somebody else is seeing. But if somebody links the articles, and again, that's why I think the share of the most relevant information, and that's why I continue to do the same thing. I'm not making up numbers. And that's what everybody assumes. I'm not going to a conspiracy Kim Foyle-Hadded website.

I'm using the numbers that Health Canada is talking about. And this is what they actually say. And that should be troubling to you because they're not saying what the numbers actually say. And I think, I think, Sheldon, what people should do, you know, because I talk a lot about this. One of the most impactful moments I had is when I went and looked at the numbers. I went to Canada's epidemiology site and I started paying attention. I went to Alberta and, you know, my wife's from the state. So I looked up Minnesota.

I looked up Florida. I looked up all these different places just to see. Because believe it or not, every state, every province has their own data source that you can go start paying attention to. Like tomorrow. Like it's all sitting there. All these numbers are just sitting there. You two guys specifically have just paid attention and have started to interpret it. actually been like, okay, and this is what it's saying. This is what the numbers are saying.

And I think majority of government officials haven't been doing, like, just think of all the people in Canada. How many people are actually doing that? Not as many things you think. Sure, there are. More now. There are more now. Yes. Yeah. No, I mean, I, you know, I would have loved, I would have loved even Dr. Hinchot to stand in front of her own data and say, you know, hey, we're implementing a mask mandates and say, okay, show me in your own data. Because they always say that, you know, we're going based on the science, we're going based on this. It's like, well, you actually have the data. Show me your data. Show me why you're doing a decision. Actually, I just want to add a point to that. Even I get fascinated sometimes, you know, like somebody told me

one time, you know, there was an increase in the number of suicides during COVID. It's like, yeah, that kind of makes sense. And then I just start Googling and I start looking at a couple of different jurisdictions that have good stats on suicides. You go, holy shit, man. man. You can't even ignore it. You know, you see, I don't know, you pick a state. You go look at Wyoming and all of a sudden suicide, suicide, you know, 50 year, 50 year. And all of a sudden, boom, jumps up for, for two years in a row. So there's so much great data like that all over the place. And you'll show data like that to some people. And no matter what, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. It's, it's, it's, it's, they're not going to listen and they're not going to, they're not going to change your mind. Yeah. And we're all guilty of that. I mean, I've been asking. lying eyes. That's not happening. Oh, no, it is happening. It says it right here.

Yeah. No, I've been asked that question myself. You know, have you ever changed your opinion on something based on on data? And it's like, yeah, I do it all the time. You know, what? Who doesn't shop at Costco for gas because they appreciate data? You know, and that's the big thing. We all get it.

Gas is cheaper at Costco. We'll line up for 15 minutes to get gas at Costco because we understand what. what that actually means. But I mean, we're very selecting that. And I think that was one of the other things that you wanted to talk about tonight, Sean, was the rate of inflation and the impact that it's having on us and what's causing it all. So, I mean, where people may not understand all the data,

again, a lot more people are looking at it now. And it's, it's not just because, you know, guys like Marty blazed the trail and because I've kind of picked up, there are a lot of others that are out doing it. you know, there's DK data out of, out of Edmonton, and he's done a pretty good job. And he's had his own battles with the court system. I don't associate him with anymore, but that's another story. And there are a couple more Calgarians that do the same.

Are you talking about David? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I kind of had a... He's an ally. I don't like... Yeah, I'll leave it at that. You know what? He came at me.

He came at me because I was supporting, you know, some of the work that was brought out some of the information that was brought out by Layton Gray and Jeff Rath in the court case. And I know he's not a big fan of them. He's not a big fan of lawyers. And he attacked me at the absolute wrong time. And I just lost my godmother the Saturday prior to the Sunday that he decided that he went on the attack with me. And I just basically told him to go fuck his hat because I'm just not going to put up with it. He said that I don't understand what's going on in these long-term care communities.

Listen, buddy. You know, in 2020, I lost my mother inside of a long-term care facility. And I didn't get to see her for the last two months of her life. And I just lost my godmother. And I haven't got to see her outside of a, you know, without a glass partition in over two years. Don't tell me I don't understand what's going on inside of these places. It's terrible. So, you know, if you want to come at me, you're going to have to bring a lot better than that.

And he just went off. He went off like a, I don't know, like a wild man. So I don't think he's a bad guy and I appreciate what he's doing, but I absolutely would not sit in a room with him and have a beer. And, you know, put him back into a Twitter discussion with me. And I tell you what, I'd rip this fucking throw out because I just have no. I'm serious, man. Yeah, yeah. I'm serious.

No, because, I mean, we all have our own independent perspective. But the one perspective that we should all have is that the people that have needed protection over the last two years still aren't getting it. And we're talking about vaccines that don't work and we're comparing the numbers of holes in our arms. He gets that portion of it. But, you know, when you try and support the GBC or GBD, the Great Barrington Declaration or you try and bring up Dr. J. Badacharya, you know, he loses his mind. He goes a little crazy and it's like, listen, buddy, I didn't say we have to lock senior citizens down. But there's certainly a lot better things that we could have been doing for those elderly populations. And it's not that we should have started in 2020.

It should have been happening all along. You know, this COVID didn't start. And I still don't know what we should do with, I still don't know what we should do with senior citizens. I mean, I'm not, you know, I, I'll be honest. When when we first started, you know, I have the same thing. I have my, both my parents are passed away, but I have, I have in-laws. And when when they first started coming out with the vaccine, I was telling them, okay, go get vaccinated.

You know, they're in their mid-70s. I'm at the point now where I tried to strongly advise them not to get that, not to get the booster. They went and did it. But they're at home. I don't know what we should be doing. I'm at a loss for what we truly should be doing for the seniors in the long-term care facilities, like short advice.

It's not your job, Marty. No, I know. It's not my job. But I mean, if you appreciate that 96% of the mortality are people that, have pre-diagnosed conditions that are seeing a doctor and taking prescriptions on a regular basis. 96% of the mortalities from COVID are handled by the medical professionals and they can't figure it out.

It's not your job. Yeah, no, no. Let yourself off the hook on that. Oh, I'm not. Trust me. I'm off the hook. I'm off the hook. That's right answer.

But I think a lot of it actually does really stem back to understanding our immune system and what feeds our immune system. And one of the earliest studies that came out about our immune system, or, you know, they called it an alternative approach to dealing with COVID was to increase the amount of adenosine triphosphate inside of our system. A lot happens by one thing and one thing alone, and that's an increase of creatine. Plain and simple. That same powder that, you know, the guys take for workout supplements. Creatine stored inside of our muscle masses, creatine through creatine kinase converts adenosine diphosphate into adenosine triphosphate.

That's what powers our immune system. The bare-ass minimum that we could have done is cut the amount of sugars that they're consuming and increase the amount of animal proteins. And if we're not going to do that for the vegans, give them a tablespoon of creatine in their coffee in the morning. They won't even know it's there. Would that have worked in 100% of the cases? Absolutely not.

But it would do a lot better than what we're doing right now, which is bickering over the amount of pokes and arms. Yeah, well, we're getting into, I mean, we're, we're, starting to talk nutrition and different things for different people. And I just think, you know, that just brings it down. Listen, guys, we, we locked out gyms. We locked out, uh, seeing families. We, we kept open bar, well, not bars. We kept up liquor stores. We took out, we took out everything that was human. We, we took out exercise, everything that keeps nutrition, blah, blah, blah, blah. We didn't talk about any of that. I'm talking as a government and left open the things that,

uh, you know, pretty, we took out of exercise. We didn't talk about any of that. Uh, you know, pretty, pretty much and so i mean for for this chat i i don't think you need to go any further than that when it comes to going down the the whole of how we can you know focus protection and what we need to do there i i'd leave that to to the doctors i think uh what you two what you two have done fantastically well was stay up to date on the data and by staying up to the data on the data you could be like listen this is this is what it's saying and to just talk to the numbers that's hell That's the whole reason I stumbled upon you, Marty, and then Sheldon, right? I think you've both done a beautiful job of paying attention to it.

Now, I really want to... And we're going to divide and conquer. You know, I think Sheldon's going to continue to look at the data to hold people accountable. But at this point, personally, I'm in that camp now where I'm trying to slowly wean off the data and... And, yeah, I'd love to hold people accountable. But at the end of the day, I also want to move on with life. and truly get back to normal. And I'm finding getting back to normal

incredibly difficult. Well, it's summer and it's beer season, Marty. So I'm maybe not going to be as active. I'm a lot of these things myself. Speaking of wish, I'm going to take a quick bio break. Sorry, we took away your thoughts, Sean. You were, you were, I think you wanted to. As Shelton hops off here for a second,

actually what I was curious about Marty, it was Shelton brought it up, inflation. You know, we get talking about, you know, the COVID chats, interesting just because it almost gives me. I don't have PTSD for me. It's not like it's that bad, but it's funny. When I listened to our last chat, it was before Ottawa. And I was like, yeah, we need to keep talking about this. And now I'm kind of like, I'm kind of where you are. I'm kind of like, you know what? We've got to keep talking about it. And I agree with what Sheldon's

saying about holding people accountable and everything else. But now as we move along, you know, this inflation thing, like seeing the prices of, you know, the interest rates for houses where it's going, where it's heading, gas, everything. Food, like, you just go down the line of what's coming here or what is continuing to grow. What have you been seeing? What's been concerning you? Well, I mean, it's a direct concern on several fronts. My biggest concern right now is actually I just witnessed my youngest son graduate. So he's 18 years old. And it's a bittersweet moment because as an 18 year old, as a man, I always told myself,

I have one job. I have to raise my kids until they're 18. Sure, I'm going to raise them beyond that. But, you know, realistically speaking, our influence kind of diminishes. And I'm watching, I went and watched him graduate. Thankfully, he graduated instead of doing the COVID thing, which was. an emotional moment for everybody that was there. But I feel sorry for our kids. I do. I mean, man, they had, they endured COVID. And now they're starting out as young adults and they're being

hammered by by inflation and problems that, what frustrates me is that the, I think the problems are solvable, which, so I always come back to that. I mean, I, one of the things I hate the most in life is telling, is warning somebody about something, you know, don't do that or you're going to get hurt. Don't cut the lawn that way. You're going to do this, whatever. And then somebody does it. And I hate that. So the inflation, the problems in government, the problems at the airport, you name a problem. There's almost not a problem that you can name right now that is not been anticipated by somebody, me included. And now we're dealing with it. And so I'm frustrated. You know, me personally, inflation, I'll live through it. In fact, I might probably even prosper through it because I'm semi-retired and I got a nice little nest egg.

So my worries are different than a 24-year-old kids, right? So I got a few bucks in the bank and my house is just about paid off. So if somebody said, hey, you can buy a bond and make 12% return on investment sounds great. But then I bring it back to even though I'm no longer responsible for my kids in terms of true raising them and supporting them, I feel bad for them because they're stepping into a brute, world full of problems. Inflation is just one of them. It's just one problem. I mean, they'll never afford, well, I shouldn't say never because on the flip side, I remind myself of how resilient we are and we seem to get ourselves out of these problems. I mean, you and I are roughly at the same age. When I was 20 years old, I remember my mom crying for

six months in a row because, you know, we lost the house and we ended up back in an apartment. And then, you know, the interest rate in 19, whatever year that was, 1980 or 79 or 80, it was 20% interest rates. I mean, it was devastating to my parents. And then anybody, our generation who lived through Alberta in the 70s experienced the energy policy of the previous Trudeau. So again, we're back to something completely 100% predictable. So I'm frustrated at.

at at at the predictability and the pickle that we got ourselves into unnecessarily that's what i'm frustrated at but because otherwise me personally yeah you know i don't get hung up on the fact that gas is two bucks i do the math i do the science and i go you know what i spend uh i spend whatever three thousand dollars a year on gasoline show what it went up a bit i'll uh i'll make it up somewhere else but i don't know what are you seeing what's what's what's what's the what's the what's the climate up north you guys are probably seeing a benefit of inflation and the boom in the oil patch on the flip side, right? Well, I tell you what, things here are busier than ever. It's almost, it's almost like we're back

to year 20, well, does that have been 2014, somewhere in there, 2013, where you couldn't keep, you couldn't get enough people to work. Right. And I'm hearing there's, you know, from everyone I talk to, Nobody can find enough capable, competent workers. And everybody's paying top dollar to grab somebody who's competent to come work and everybody's flat out right now. Now, is that because it's $100 oil? Sure, that's part of it. Is it because we went through two years of hell and back and a ton of businesses fell

off and everything else? Certainly that has to be part of it. There's going to be, you know, there's going to be chunks and pieces that all fit together. But up here, like, gas is, what was it? $1.89, I think, in Lloyd, which I can safely say I've never seen that high a price for gas. Yeah, neither of I. You know, actually, it's going to sound cruel, but like I said, I feel bad for my kids about the current inflation because it's predictable.

I have faith in any generation to get past this. It's an ebb. It's a cycle. So we're at a high inflation will come back. down to low inflation. The really positive side of this inflation, I got to look at the silver lining. We talked about this again six months ago. Some Canadians are going to need to hurt to have some real change. It's hard to find ways to hurt the damn easterners. They're the ones that vote for Trudeau. So if the airports are chaotic, if the price of flights go up through the roof, if they can't

do their trip to Cuba twice a year, if their Tesla costs a little bit more, then in the end, it'll all be worth it. So there's going to be some positive sides. If inflation brings about a true political change, which I think it does, that's great. Unfortunately, it'll probably create some victims along the way. But short term, I haven't seen the victims. People seem to, you know, we talk about gasoline. We talk about food. I mean, me personally, my wife gets annoyed because I'm the guy who's like, holy smokes, you spend 500 bucks on groceries, but then I still like myself. steak, so don't stop buying the steak. So I haven't been pinched back that hard. Can we talk then, you know, you talk about different political things. We've been kind of

dancing around that topic all night here in Alberta. You know, one of the biggest things that happened since our last chat, and certainly in politics in Alberta in a while, minus Kenny's flip-flop on, you know, this to that, this to that, as he's stepping down. So now you got a UCP leadership race. What do you, uh, fellas think? Who, like, you know, you got, uh, um, um, Certainly, Smith has been somebody who's been a favorite on the podcast. I don't mean as to win, I just mean as a guest that she's a fantastic mind to sit and talk with. And certainly she has a good shot of winning, I think. But you know, you've got Taves, you got Gene, now you got Michelle Remple-Garner.

You got all these different people vying for conservative leadership in October. What's your thoughts? because to me, if I was right in the grand plan for, you know, whether it's the new world order or whatever, you know, high order you want of the world, it wasn't Jason Kenney stepping down and having a leadership race at this point. So who do you think, well, I don't know. What do you think comes to this? Well, first of all, I was surprised. I was genuinely shocked. I mean, I was sitting in my living room and he announced it, you know, the whatever, 51.3. and then he said it wasn't big enough.

And I thought, oh, here you go, he's going to make some sort of excuse. And when he said he was stepping down, I thought, wow. And I made a comment on Twitter that night that was received weirdly because I kind of thought that Kenny was doing conservatives around Canada a big favor. Now, that was, of course, before Ford got elected, which showed us the path, right? But I thought Kenny was actually being, I applauded him for doing the right thing. But then I had a Twitter storm saying, well, you should never. you should never be applauded for doing the right thing.

The fact that you're applauding somebody for stepping down shows the state of politics. That aside, I stand by this comment. We need change. So I love Danielle, love Michelle Remple for the longest part. But I just don't want professional politicians. You and I talked about that, right? I think it has to be a guy like me, but it's not going to be me. But I hope somebody like me steps out of the wings.

And I think there are a few candidates like that. There's a lady, there's a lady candidate from Calgary. Her name escapes me. But absolutely not Michelle Remple. I'm not doing the opportunistic federalists coming down provincial. You know, we've had Prentice and Kenny and we're done. That type is a non-starter. I've I've I've I'm subsequent to our podcast I did speak with Michelle um or not Michelle

um Danielle she she she reached out to me and we had a chat one day um I like her I really do but unfortunately to me she's tainted because of the floor crossing it's just it's it's is there no coming is there no coming back from this before me well I mean if if I have absolutely no choice at some point you know all things being equal, it would be a tiebreaker. But, you know, so if somebody was equally talented as her but had not crossed the floor. I mean, I'll give you an extreme example of this. This is funny, but I would actually, if Kenny represented himself now,

he'd have more of my support than he did before because he's still, you know, if Kenny presented himself now and there was nobody else, I would actually vote for him. I would, because of what he did. So it's the reverse. So you got, you got Daniel Smith, who is a younger woman, crosses the floor. Now, I've said this lots. I did not focus on politics back then. So I wasn't a wild rose guy.

I wasn't, you know, I wasn't paying attention. So certainly since I've had her on the podcast, I've, you know, had a lot of feedback on that. A lot of people are angry about it. but one of the things that I've appreciated about Danielle in particular since the beginning is she has approached now of course she wasn't in politics she's in media and uh you know she's she's approached these issues with a common sense approach like honestly digging into things digging into solutions coming at it and and when i listen to her talk i go so is she not allowed to grow she made a mistake she's every time i've had

had her on. I brought it up because the listeners, there's always somebody that it says she's never explained the floor crossing. Now, whether she explains it good enough to where you're like, oh, that makes sense, okay, she's back in my good graces or not, she does own up to it over and over and over and over again and says it was a, you know, it was a mistake. It was a poor lack of judgment, whatever. I'm paraphrasing what she said. People should go back to the last episode she was on where she talks about it again. And I go, so are we saying that you can never make a mistake? and then come back from it? I think that's wrong.

A great point, actually. I'm not speaking on Danielle Smith specifically, but, you know, appreciating that a politician, you know, picks one side of the corner and flips, I mean, ultimately speaking, politicians are supposed to be representative of their constituents. So, you know, if she's in an area where she feels like she's supported by her constituents and she makes a decision based on that, then I'm all for it. what I'm not for is a politician that thinks that they can dictate to their constituents.

And that's a lot of what we're seeing in Canadian politics right now. So, I mean, even if you look at some of the separatist parties, you know, or like the Notley Party or, you know, even the Conservatives, they're still thinking that they can dictate what we need to see instead of asking us what we want to see. And I think that's the biggest problem in politics right now. So, you know, for myself personally, I feel like I burned my last vote in throwing it at Len Weber because, you know, I've met Len a couple times, had a couple of good conversations with him. But I feel like he's a weak back venture and I don't feel like he's a good representative inside of, you know, my area as an MP. So when I'm looking at that right now, I think, you know, if I'm going to burn a boat anyways, I'm going to burn it properly. And I mean, everybody knew the outcome of the last election. and it wasn't going to be decided by Calgary.

In fact, before it even crossed the time zones, the last federal election was already called. So our votes really didn't make much of a difference. And if I find myself in a situation like that, then I am going to pay a lot more attention. Right now, and I hate to say it is, you know, when it comes down to how things are going to be looking, we're going to pick the best of the worst. And we're going to do our best to not separate the votes and let the NDP back into, into the province because that's just going to be, you know, adding in salt. That's rubbing salt in the wounds that have been plaguing the country since Trudeau stepped up.

I think it's just. Yeah, we got a couple of weeks to, or a couple of weeks. We've got a couple of months. Great point, Sean. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll admit to that, you know, humans are allowed to make a mistake if they own up on the, on the mistake. I think what, what Danielle has that I really appreciate, like I said, she reached out to me through one of her assistance and we set up a one-on-one phone call and we spoke on the phone for an hour and a half because she literally wanted to know more about COVID. And this was before she announced that she was

going to run. So, so as a politician, she's doing what she should be doing, which very few do, which is just meet with constituents and people and get opinions. So, but, but, but I'm, I'm, kind of near and dear holding on to the idea that I, you know, the people that got us into this mess are not the ones are going to get us out. And so true, true incumbents. I don't want any of them. And then I'm kind of shying away from real professional politicians at this point. I'm hoping that there's some fresh blood that's, that's, that's interesting. If there isn't, then sure, we'll, you know, we'll pick the best or the worst. But if there's fresh blood, and I don't know, you know, what I'm trying to, what I'm hoping to do on the podcast, fellas,

Obviously, I've had Danielle on. I'm trying to work on the rest of the people who announced that they're going to run. Because, you know, one thought process I have is, well, if you were a part of this government, which there will be a whole bunch of them, you didn't stand up enough, right, under Jason Kennedy. You didn't voice your concerns enough. So how do we expect that they're going to run and then all of a sudden something's going to change? What's interesting, you know, and geez, I sound like I'm beating the drum for Daniel Smith. She's just been on the podcast enough that, you know, the day Kenny announces it's a pandemic, they unvaccinated.

She's not a politician. So I hold her to that account. She's not held the same, you know, public spotlight. At that time, she's an independent media person. So she gets to come on and talk about it openly and that's what she's been doing. But even back then, she was willing to have conversations that I thought all of our politicians were supposed to be have. And I feel, now this is just in the early takes right now, if she uses that same approach and gets elected,

Alberta will be in a hell of a lot better position than by trying to just stick to a narrative and stick to it and stick to it and stick to it. Does that mean she's the perfect candidate? I don't even know what the hell that means. What is the perfect candidate? Who is the perfect person? Who is this young blood person that's stepping into politics

that we don't know of? I mean, like, Marty, this comes back to our conversation six months ago. Those people need to get involved at the next. next election and get them get elected so that they can be a part of the party and work up their way to where their premier and that takes no and and and and the decision of who I would vote for you know it comes down to again you know the issues of the day so I don't know what the issues are going to be you know a year from now but I kind of have for me I think the issues are still the same one is you know after after after 154 years of confederation I think confederation I think in federation

has failed. So, so Alberta's position in, in Confederation to me is important. So whether it's, whether it's independent or whether it's a stronger Alberta and so somebody that can stand up to Ottawa. So I see that as a high priority in the next election. Then I see something that, then I see economic development and, and my future in general as as literally second to that. I'm all, I'm, I'm, I'm already, you know, that's, that's the ratio. That's the, that's the order for me. So, And when Kenny got elected, I was optimistic at first. Remember, I said he had three jobs. He needed to do two out of the three. One was to stand up to Trudeau. One was to make a deal with British Columbia or Quebec, either or, you know, because we were thinking of pipelines, which wraps up with prosperity. Like it or not, Alberta's prosperity is dependent on on natural resources, which, again, is dependent on where we stand within Confederation. So at the end of the day, for me, my decision is probably going to come down to who's more, like it did last time, who's willing to stand up to Ottawa or defend Alberta properly and get us a really fair representation? So when I meet the candidates in the next couple of months, that's my question to them.

That's my number one question. How they answer that is going to decide. It's going to decide. And so not as like so low down the list, it's not even funny. You're like do not want, can you imagine notly again, like we said? Can you imagine federally having a Trudeau, provincially having a notley and then municipally having like Gondek and Sohe and guys like that? My God, what kind of a mess? Then I would jump shit.

I mean, if we're like this a year from now, I am absolutely packing up and going to Texas. Done. You know, and I talked to a group of people that I kind of got involved with. And, you know, we started this little group, and it was just called unrepresented together. Because I felt that was really the voice of Canadians throughout the pandemic and that there's a lot of people that live in communities where their voices aren't being heard. And we found this out in writing letters to our MLAs and our MPs and you'd get these blank back responses. And it was funny.

I had, you know, I was looped into these chain and within 60 seconds, I got the same reply to two other people's either. email from the same MP and it was exactly copied and pasted. So it was so amusing to me that, you know, these people were so out of touch with what their constituents were saying. And one of the big things that came down and we had this, you know, this open forum, and it was people across Canada. And there was a couple of politicians that showed up. And it was that a lot of these people aren't willing to cross the floor if they don't believe

in it in what somebody else is saying. So when we look at how the NDP is really propping up the liberal government right now, you have to know that some of those people really aren't towards the policy and their constituents are shouting at them. And they don't want that anymore. They do want the job security. And right now for them, the job security is towing the party line. But if they find out their constituents don't support an issue or, you know,

whatever we're talking about, are they willing to cross the floor? And the number one response that we got was that no, they're not. It's party people. And that's the most troubling is that it's become so tribal. Crossing the floor should be a last resort. They should be allowed to vote their conscience before they even have to be forced to crossing the floor. They can't even vote their conscience. I mean, it's not walking, literally walking across the floor.

It's not rejoining another party. It's more saying that I'm not going to vote with my party. I'm going to cross the floor with my vote. While I can still support the ideals of the party, I don't agree on this one issue. and I will cross the floor and vote against it. And we're not. Yeah, no, no. We have extreme examples of that in Calgary all the time.

I mean, Calgary and, you know, Calgary, there's one liberal MP in Calgary. You had Kent hair as an example, you know, two. Yeah. Before, Kent is the only liberal MP. And then he's surrounded by, you know, by 20 other conservatives. And then they would bring up issues that would be almost so singularly unanimous, you know, and he would still vote against it, you know, as an example, like, are you, are you in favor of, you know, the liberal could say, we're going to ban meat consumption. And Ken Hare would say, oh, yeah, we're banning

meat consumption and claim to represent his 30,000 constituents. And around him, he'd have a million people voting against it. It's like, you, you're, you can't conceivably make the stretch that you're, representing your, you know. So, you're representing a party. You're not representative. Absolutely. You know. And that's the number one thing that we've seen. And it's just, you know, everybody working to hold on to. And I mean, like the NDP and BC, they're working to hold on to pensions. And that's why they're supporting Trudeau.

And, you know, the NDP, I don't believe it was a strong party in British Columbia. I just believe they're, you know, kind of had a lack of options right now for who can actually stand up and have a voice. But they're not a strong party. And the liberals are not a strong party across Canada. And, you know, if anybody had known that we were going to look at this. coalition government. I think it would have changed the metrics and in the voting on both sides of those things as well. I'm not saying that a lot of people would have come over to conservatives, but, you know, well, and the Green Party with Liz May there.

She's bad shit crazy too, right? That one? Holy smokes. I don't think they would necessarily go on there, but they would have gone there, but they would have gone any place, you know? you know the the anybody but notly is a big part of i think of how can he won there was a lot of support for him there was a lot of conservatives there always is a lot of conservatives but it literally at that point you could have put a shoe up against notley and they would have won so it's not necessarily of uh you know knowing the candidate or knowing that much about them as much as knowing the ones

that you're voting against and that's i think what a lot of the elections are boiling down to we're not voting in. And we're voting out and we're trying to vote out the people we don't want. We don't like it. It's a political theory. Yeah. It's a political theory too that no matter what, and in multi-party systems like ours, eventually you end up with two parties. It's just, you know, it's, it's, um, we're, we're already there. You know, we got the left and the right. We're, we're going to be like the Americans at some point. So here in Alberta, it's interesting that we have notley on one side i i i think the ndp will get elected again someday i i don't think it's it's

inconceivable because of the you know the the the cycles that we go through but but i think they'd stand a better chance if they kick notley out i honestly do perhaps um and i'm not saying that i would vote nDP if notley was gone because i absolutely 100 percent wouldn't i mean i don't support what we're seeing right now in the coalition government and i think that that's a a big thing that Albertans have to have a look at, that even if you like the policies of, you know, what the ND3 platform is, it's not the liberal platform. And if you know that, you know, they're only going to be a one-sided, you know, kind of stance on things.

It's not a, it's not an independent vote for an independent party. It's a vote for another coalition. And that's one thing I think Albertans won't stand for. They will vote against coalition. And I think that needs to be the message by whatever, whatever. person's running in Alberta. Albertans are an interesting bunch. I mean, somebody told me this and it resonated.

We're, we definitely do not, we like to be led. We don't like to be ruled, you know, so. And I wait to see if this, to me, is going to be an interesting next year because obviously you're going to have the race for leadership. Then they're going to have a short period of time where they can enact a few things through the winter, through the fall season. et cetera. And then they're going to, you know, and then you got the election again next year. And so to me, you're going to find out here very quickly whether a politician with a very

short window will live up to what they, they tell their constituents. This is what I'm going to do. Well, here's your window, because if you don't do what you say, nobody's forgetting that. They're literally going to be like, well, you didn't do it the first time. What makes you expect we'll get at the second time. Like this year it's going to be interesting, interesting to watch. But you have to look at what we, what we're probably facing in the fall. And this, you know, I don't want to bring everything back to COVID, but COVID has literally been the decider of everything over the last two years. In the fall, what we're going to be looking at, and I mean, with a boost of being the highest percentage of the cases, deaths and hospitalizations right now,

is we're going to be thrown back into these waves. And if they, you know, they pump up this mandate on the, on the boosters and you know they look at this six-month window you know something like what israel did with their green pass where they actually set a time limit on what they figured the the booster jabs would last for whatever that is whether it's 30 days or 90 days or you know six months um i i think they're going to use a lot of that in in swaying some of the decisions that we're looking at and i think that a lot more eyes are going to be on the people that are supporting not supporting what what the actual federal plans are when it comes down to that. And they're going to pump up numbers again.

You know, we're going to go back to more tests. There's going to be a newer, better test. I think this, I'm looking ahead at the next federal election. I think at the next federal election, the records of politicians in the last few years will be on full display. We're going to be in the throes of so much inflation and so many other big problems a year from now that it's going to be an election on the, completely different topic than anything we've seen in recent years. You know, we haven't had a

full-blown, most Canadians haven't experienced a real recession or anything like that in the last 30 years. So in an election like this, I think we're heading for a true one for sure. No, I think we're heading for an interesting election in the year from now. I mean, and we're watching Trudeau right now. We're watching, you know, like I said earlier, he's, he's really not a problem solver. I mean, you know, what, what's he doing right now? He's doing the bare minimum to try and just just like he's surrounded by so much controversy. Man, that guy staying power is impressive, though. You got to give him that.

Like how he survived this long, you know, fumble after fumble after fumble. And does the bare minimum, but somehow or other, when is he going to stumble? I don't know. Well, yeah, if you look at the amount of money

that he's spent to buy the election, the promises that he makes, the $10 child care and whatever. I mean, nobody sees who's actually, harmed by his policies. Even if you look at the, you know, the, we were talking about that when you took a quick break, though, people are starting to get hurt by his policies now. So the, you know, it's funny, you know, not being able to travel.

People are more upset about a four-hour lineup at the airport than they are about waiting for a hip replacement, which is bizarre. But if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. So people are actually, it's weird. I mean, if I had to be a politician now, you know, you start to understand the game. It's like, yeah, don't worry about health care. throw money at the airports. Give everybody a free trip.

It'll be true to over too. And you know, Sean, I think this is where people like you are going to be a great benefit to not just Albertans, but to Canadians in general, and that you're having people on in a light that isn't attacking them. Like if you look at what we see on, you know, legacy media and inside of the newspapers, nobody's getting a true representation of, you know, what's really going on inside of inside of Canada. And I think that voices like yours that are, you know, fairly neutral.

I mean, you might be one-sided more than another, more informed on one stance than another. But I think that this is where, you know, where you can really start to pick up and, and be an absolute 100% benefit to Canadians, man. I honestly believe that. Well, I appreciate that. I certainly have my biases. Everybody knows that. You know, but the thing is, I try to be as transparent as that as humanly possible.

I just want an open channel for people to talk about, you know, the things that have been censored now for, you know, I say this all the time. COVID put it on grand display of censorship. But the censorship and the narrative was going on well before that. We just all can see it now for what it is. And this is a totally open channel for people to kind of discuss some things and see where it goes. and try and solve some problems and, you know, move forward that way. But I do appreciate the. Yeah, no, totally I second that.

And just on that topic, so what happened to you on YouTube? I mean, I was a little surprised. What was the one event? So it was Chris Barber. I interviewed Chris Barber. If listeners go back and listen to it, right? Like it's about a week before the the freedom convoy leaves. And Chris is somewhere in the States parked along the side of a highway.

And he's just, you know, he's like literally just, you know, explaining what's going to happen and kind of some things. And I'd heard about it. I was like, oh, this crazy idea. Like, okay. And, you know, one of the things that blew up on social media was, was I said, well, where's the money going? And I expected him to be like, oh, it's just going to go to gas. And I was going to be like, oh, that's, you know, I don't know if I like that. And he was like, no, it's going to go to, you know, make.

sure the fuel gets there and a couple other things. And then he said, but any money we raise that we don't need, we're going to donate the veterans. And I was like, good on you guys for thinking this through. Right. And then, of course, Freedom Convoy happens. And partway through the Freedom Convoy, I get an email from YouTube saying my channel's been remote, just like everything. And Marty, you know this about YouTube. Like, it had taken me some time to finally get it to where it was actually started, I was starting to see some benefit from it. Because for so long, I was like, why am I doing this YouTube channel? Is anybody even watching this?

And I don't want to sit here and blow smoke up, but I was just starting to grab traction. I was just starting to grab followers on it. And then it was just like in one fatal swoop, you know, just all gone. And it was all to do with an interview I did with Chris Barber. And obviously Chris Barber being, you know, the lead truck on the West Convoy and being a larger than life guy who's been,

you know, pretty much locked at home and everything else. Like he's not allowed to talk about a whole lot these days. It's demoralizing to be canceled like that. I mean, I, you know, and I, for me, it's been about whatever six months since I've been canceled. Now I'm back up to normal. But I still get thrown into the penalty box about once a month, you know. And typically it's like you wake up in the morning, you log on. And then the first thing that shows up on your screen is like your account has been.

And I'm always reading carefully. He's like, oh, God, please don't be suspended, you know, because suspend is the worst one. And it's just like your account is locked. And it's like, all right, which tweet is it? And you got to go delete the tweet. And my last one, same thing. Like I said, I made a comment to, I literally ask Omar Al Habra or however you pronounce is, you know, I basically, because he had made an announcement about airports. And I'm like, when are you going to finally lift the mandates now that we know that the vaccines obviously don't work as promised?

You know, I try to whatever, put a caveat to it. Boom, gone. You got a kick for that, eh? I'm really shocked that I haven't been booted, man. You're trying to put the word, you hide the word, or you put the word in quotations or you, whatever. But the president of Westjet asked the exact same question, and he didn't get booted.

No. But the point, the whole point is simply this. I mean, I shouldn't have to worry about choosing my words. That's so, that's so, what's the word? I'm out of loss for words. You know, it's pathetic. I mean, I should not have to worry about using a word and asking a question. I literally cannot ask a question.

I think one of the scariest things we face is censorship. I remember listening to, I think it was Brett Weinstein talk on Joe Rogan about it. And that was when Brett had been pulled from you. YouTube and I was like, holy man, this is like, okay, you know, and like listening to them. And then to have it actually happen to you. And I know, we talked Sheldon about, I think it was off air when we talked about you being pulled from LinkedIn. And now you got Marty pulled from Twitter. And I certainly myself, in Yang from YouTube, I'm like, well, do I start back up on YouTube? And I'm like, how do I even go about that, right? And there's my name and now in some system and

whatever else. It's like, you know, when I think of all the conversations I've had, I've literally just been asking questions. And the thing that scares me the most is that my idea of asking questions and having some people on whether they're controversial or not has got that has been deemed misinformation wrong, whatever the word you want and pulled. And I'm like, I'm no big fish. I could safely say that I am no Joe Rogan, right? Or even for that minor matter, you know, Dark Horse podcast or Brett Weinstein like, I'm not that big. but it doesn't seem to matter. And if all these voices get censored and pulled away,

then how do you get the conversation around all these roadblocks? And how do you know that, you know, because one of the things that kept me saying through this entire experience has been a podcasting, but two being able to listen to others talk to different individuals from not only Canada, but the rest of the world.

And that's a really good point, Sean. And I brought this up. I showed my stats. and how badly I'm being throttled on Twitter yesterday. And it's over the last 11 days. It's about 90, 95% of my traffic is gone. Just completely not there. And I got a warning, I don't know,

it was over the weekend or last week that, you know, something was going to happen for 60. I don't pay attention. I mean, I've seen so many suspension on this because I don't even pay attention. So yesterday, when I noticed how bad my stats actually were, and they were literally down to like 5% of what I was normally getting. And I'm getting a lot of traffic. I'm still getting a lot of subscribers.

I'm getting a lot of followers. You know, a lot of traffic towards my substack. My substack's really doing, you know, very decent numbers for me being a nobody. But the one message that I went out was, first off, to let everybody know how badly I was being throttled. And then everybody can kind of join in and say, yeah, you know what, I haven't seen you for the last week or whatever.

But then I came back once people started retweeting me. And I said, see, guys, I know you enjoy the information that I'm able to post and how I'm able to kind of break down the information that you may not understand. What I want you to understand is that it's not me that's important. It's you. Because without you, I am still nobody. So you got to keep sharing. You got to keep your support up. If you think is something is valuable, if you think something's important, now's your time to act.

You don't have to jump in. You don't have to say anything. Just make sure that you can show your support, retweet, re-quote, whatever platform you're on, like it, share it, spread it. Because that's the only way that our information gets out there. That's the only way. If we have to move. If we go to get her or whatever that looks like, as long as we have our core, you know, our core, following, they're going to come along with us and they're going to keep sharing our message.

And it's not that I'm a really important, smart, funny, I mean, I'm handsome. You know, I'm handsome. But past all that, yeah, I'm, again, it's my message that I want to keep reiterating. And I'm going to try and continue to build that following. And it's, and it's, and it's only through the following that my message actually means anything. And that's, I think, the one big thing that, you know, we can all appreciate. And again, Sean, that's why I give you prompts, man. It's what you're doing.

It's you're opening up the airwaves to voices like myself and Marty, giving us a place to share our message and keep our words spreading there. Well, people like to hear our voices. They see our tweets, but they don't hear our voices. And your forum is a way to expand on topics beyond, you know, the 140 characters that we're allowed on Twitter. So that's definitely why I appreciate this. And at the end of the day, I think, you know, the fact that they're censoring channels like yours and mine and Sheldons, you know, I got 10,000 followers. But if you feel necessary to the censored 10,000 followers, then little Joe Schmo better start to worry. I mean, I'm still going with that message all along, you know, people, people don't. I mean, here's another one. People are, you know, I hate that that hashtag free dumb. And people are like, Like what freedom are you worried about having taken? And it's like, wow, I guess if you're not noticing that your freedoms are being taken away,

then they must have already all been taken away. Is that the point we're at? And we're just where the last few guys who still feel we have freedoms? Are we at that point? Are people just in the cage and they don't realize that everything's been taken away from them? Because for me, this is a big one. If you take away my voice, wow, you've taken away a big freedom. That is big. That really is the biggest thing.

You know, not everybody travels. Not everybody has kids. Not everybody cares about $10 daycare and $2 gas. But everybody cares that if they do have something to say that they have the ability to say it. And I don't think that a lot of people realize how fundamentally important that that is to our core being. Everybody needs to read 1984. George Orwell was brilliant. is no joke. I've read it five times and I'll probably pick it up again to go on a hike shortly

here and I'll bring. Actually, if I turn around, it's on my shelf. I got to reread 1984. Got to be able to memorize it. Maybe I'll do that. There, challenge accepted. You know, but after you read George Orwell, make sure you got a film or something a little lighthearted because that one can leave you a little down and out. Although it's prophetic in some instances, it's depressing as all can be. Like after I read that, I remember Vance Crow, a podcaster from St. Louis, had talked about, shoot, Soljanetson. What's the book he wrote? Why am I spacing on it?

Anybody know I'm talking about Russian? Oh, man. Solgenesson, nobody? No, I don't know. I can hear on, I've talked about this so much, and now I can't even think about it. Solgenitzen. I don't know. A dystopian novel or?

No, no, no. Live account. He went through the Gulegs. Oh. Why am I forgetting the book? Like, this is, this is terrible. The Guleg archipelago. Holy Dinoshaun.

That was terrible. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So the Guleg archipelago, where I'm going with this story. A, if you haven't read the Guleg archipelago, Marty, there's a book you should read. That's a, he, while he's in, in the Gulegs, he writes the book from memory. And this thing ain't. 20 pages. This thing is long. Like Jordan Peterson

has, is the reason why I read it. He's talked extensively about it. It's why you shout as loudly as you can right now, but what's going on? Because if you don't, and what he, you know, and what Solgen-insent talks about is he wishes he would have shouted so loud at the start because

then they have like where everybody turned on everybody. It is George Orwell. Is he the book where he says people didn't believe it until you actually threw him into the prison and then they still didn't believe it? I think that's the quote from that book. Yeah, yeah. Roughly. Yeah. And so definitely a lot of what we're seeing for sure. 100%. Realize what's even going on around them. They're so locked into, you know,

their tribal aspect of the pandemic of COVID, of their political leanings that they don't realize that everything's collapsing around them. And you say, you know, has Trudeau done anything that's actually improved with quality of life in the last two years throughout the pandemic and people say well I'm happy no you're not I want to hear Sean's finish his thought please sorry man yeah no no it's all good so Guleg archipelago of where I was going with George Orwell was uh and and you need something um something that brings you up after that book was vance crow podcast from st. Louis and we get talking about uh the gulag archipelago and he said he couldn't finish it because it actually made them physically ill,

some of the things and stories and accounts that happened in Russia. And George Orwell is the only book I've read where I didn't get physically sick, but I was just like, it can never get this bad. And then you read, you know, Soldier Nissen and you go, oh, no, it can. It has. And so I say when you read 1984, have something that's a good pick-me-up after, because that is a depressing book. And no matter how prophetic it is to where we sit right now,

reading that is man there are some things in there that just like are so where we are right now and that's the toughest part about that book that's what I was going with now we're living it no we're living it 100% now I could keep you boys here all night I want to finish with this it's the final five brought to by crude master show it to Heath and Tracy McDonald supporters of the podcast since the very beginning and I always joke they I put them through it off a lot here over the last a little bit. But Heath said on the podcast, if you're going to stand behind it,

you think is right, and stand behind it, absolutely. What's one thing, Sheldon stands behind, and what's one thing Marty stands behind? I don't know what Marty go first.

Well, no, Marty stands behind Alberta. He's been asked that question so much lately. Marty is a strong Albertan. He loves his, province. He will stand behind this province. I would die for this province. So I stand behind this province. Yeah, that's a really good point. You know, having re-entered into the job force

a couple of times, the one thing that I can't reiterate enough is that I'm, I am true Albert. I've managed province for sales, for service, for products. I've been from, you know, worked from Lethbridge all the way up to Grand Prairie, all spots in between Lloyd Minster to Grand Cash. And the one thing that I can say is that I am a, you know, I'm a true Canadian and I'm a true Albertan. I want to see what's best for our, for my family, because this is where we are. I'm a grandfather here. That's important to me. Right on. Well, I appreciate you guys hopping on and doing this. Certainly some interesting things to chew on. no matter if we're going back to the early points about data to politics or censorship at the end.

There's a lot of interesting things going on and a little bit different perspectives from different parts of the province, I might add, of different guys focusing on different things. But either way, appreciate you guys giving me some time tonight and hopping on here. Again, Sean, I appreciate what you're doing and I appreciate you afforded me some time and offering up the invite. And again, for sitting down and actually having a face-to-face with Marty. I can't think of how close of a brother I've actually gotten this man than, you know, without ever I haven't met him. We'll have to get together for some beers. Absolutely.

Sean, we could do this every week, man. We could do a short version 30 minutes once a week and pick a quick topic. And I'll let you know. There's still a good chance I'll be in your neck of the wood shortly here. I've got to do a little due diligence. Go check out some assets. So if that's the case, I'll give you a buzz. You make sure you do that.

If you're either of you're coming through Lloyd, you make sure you drop me and don't. We'll have a coffee or a cocktail, whichever you prefer. And there's this one place in Lloyd, and they make a burger, and they put a fried egg on top. It was one of the hotels I stayed in when I was working out there, man. Best burger I found in the prop. Best burger, Lloyd Minster.

There you go. Well, thanks, guys. All right, guys. See you next time. Cheers.