Shaun Newman Podcast - #286 - Jamie Sale

Episode Date: July 8, 2022

Pairs figure skating Olympic gold medalist hops on to discuss the past 2 years; divorce, self reflection & where we are heading. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Support here:⁠ https://www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast⁠

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Hancockpatroleum.ca.ca. She won gold medals at the 2001. World Championships and the 2002 Olympic Games in pairs figure skating. I'm talking about Jamie Saleh. So buckle up. Here we go. Hi, everyone. This is Jamie Saleh, and welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today.

I'm joined by Jamie Saleh, former 2002 gold medalist. So first off, thank you for making some time for me this morning. Oh, it's my pleasure, Sean. I didn't. I got to think about this. You know, I've had a lot of different athletes and Olympians on. And I'm wondering if I've had a gold medalist before. You might be a first. I can't remember I'm trying to rack my brain. Theo Flurry, Theo Flurry, he would, he would, he would, he would,

he would, he would scold me. I guess I've had a gold medalist on before. But certainly, certainly my first figure skater, my sister figure skated all her life. We always got dragged around. I was the youngest to all the different competitions. So we followed, you know, when the Olympics is on figure skating is kind of, I don't know, maybe you would agree or disagree. But I feel like when the Olympics is on in Canada, figure skating is kind of pushed really high up. I mean, obviously hockey is always at the top. But at least in the Newman household, we watched a lot of figure skating growing up. Yeah. Oh yeah. Skating and hockey for sure. I think especially at any Olympics, it's always been, you know, the house tunes. And we've typically had skaters going for medals, right?

So Canada's always been quite strong in figure skating. So it's always been really exciting at the Olympic level. And, you know, our story was something really, really, I don't know how to even describe it. Like, we couldn't have scripted it any better. You know what I mean? Like, and I, and I say better because it actually turned out for us to be better in some ways. We obviously would have loved to win the gold medal that night of our along program. But it ended up, you know, creating quite a story as everybody knows. And we became household names very quickly, even in the U.S. And because of that, we had really great endorsement deals and a very excellent four years of our first four years. We did 10 years of touring, but the first four years were

amazing. Well, I feel like you, you know, exactly what you just said. Your life and how you were portrayed in the media must have been an interesting little, I'm going to call it experiment, but that's probably not the right word, but like would give you some insight on how, like, That must have been a wild time. It was really unexpected because you, you know, we, we knew that we were going, like, we knew already there's already a story with the Olympics, the Russians, the Canadians, they were building it up so big. So we knew that there was that.

But we didn't, would have never guessed that we would be faced with some kind of a judging scandal. And there was more than just that that happened within the event. There was so many other things that were coming out every day afterwards, which our jaws were just dropped. Like we used to sit back and go, I can't, we're watching this,

we're watching a movie. Like, this is wild. And, uh, but we just rolled with it instead of fighting it and instead of crying and being, you know,

upset about it and everything. We thought, well, let's just be happy because we skated really great. So let's just take it and, and roll with this. And we were doing photo shoot after photo shoot and interview, interview,

interview. And after a while it got really, um, hard on us. We, we started to look kind of crappy. So our coach's wife called, and called skate,

someone at the Olympics and said, get them off TV. They're starting to look like, you know what? And I'm like, oh, am I looking that bad? Okay. But we were just having fun with it. Well, let's fast forward then to the last two years because the last two years, Jamie, have been, well, you can insert whatever word

Jamie would like to insert. But like I was saying before the show started, I don't know how on earth certain people come across different feeds on social media and everything. But we were talking about our connection through Ryan Olson and Joseph Borgo and that team. And I think for a lot of people, certain people, you know, Theo's been an outspoken guy since the start, right? And maybe you have two. I have no idea. No, no.

But all of a sudden, it just feels like more and more people are starting to stand up. But I'm curious your thoughts on the last two years and maybe the journey into it from your eyes. Yeah, I can kind of give you my journey. It wasn't, it's not pretty. And I'm sure a lot of your listeners will be able to relate. So it was about a year and a half ago. So the first year of COVID, though, I, or yeah, I don't even know how to call it anymore. I didn't know.

None of us really knew even, let's even just say the first few months. We were just doing what we were told. And we didn't know what was going on, right? And I even looked back and I'm like, wow, it's kind of funny that every hundred years is a pandemic. Like, what is that all about? Is this like a earth kind of cleaning itself? Like I was questioning things. And anyway, so I spent the first year following the rules or I shouldn't say a year, maybe 10 months, but it was January of, was that 2021?

Yeah. I woke up. And it didn't take much because I don't watch the news. And as much as I appreciate and value the medical. system very much. I've had shoulder surgeries and, you know, I've had family going and have different surgeries. I knew that there was a part of the system that was making people sicker. And I've witnessed it also with my family in that they would have a disease, like develop a disease. And yeah, okay, maybe they should change their diet. But instead of encouraging the diet change and

exercise increase, it was here are your pills. And then here are your pills. And here are your pills. And before you know, you're on eight different medications. And I'm watching people in my my family go like that's not quality of life anymore they're actually like people go we're living longer i go actually we're dying longer like these people in my life are getting heavier and healthier they can't exercise they can't really do anything very long so i was watching this and i'm like over the years not just this last two years so what i'm trying to explain is how i was kind of awake to the system that way and then all it literally took sean was my girlfriend in guelph sent me a graph.

We were comparing Sweden. Remember how they didn't lock down and they didn't wear masks and everything. And our Google graph was showing that there were deaths and it was terrible. Like they were having a huge spike. She looked at, she showed me a different graph that showed the opposite

that they were doing like totally fine. So where did you get that? She's like not on Google. And then like literally I was like, what do you mean? There's another place to search for things like, show me where you're finding these things. Well, you know, then you start finding out about bit shoot and rumble and all these other platforms.

And I just, my eyes were wide open and my ears were open. And I said, send me more. And it was just a flood of stuff from that day on. But it didn't take much convincing for me because it started to make sense to me. Like I was putting it all together going, oh. Like, and the first documentary I watched was the fall of the cabal. And then I was like, all right. right and started following the W.E.F. and their agenda and then Bill Gates and did a TED

talk about depopulating. And I was just like, holy sickness. This is just sick. And yeah, so I spent the first 2021 waking up. And I stopped, I had to stop coaching in June last year because I felt so disturbed. And I think the disturbing, like what was disturbed was my belief system. I, you know, you believe, you know when someone tells you, um, something like they, or you've believed in it for a long time and then they tell you it's not that at all. Right. Like, yeah. I don't even know, to give you a quick example right now, but, um, yeah, like there was so much that I was finding out that isn't true about our history and our life and what's like what everything's about. Um, and even spending the first year in lies. So I, my belief system was rocked. And so I needed to, I needed to,

to heal. So I finished my last two clients and then I just didn't take on anymore. And it was the best thing I did, Sean, because I started working with alternative healers, if you will, like different modalities. I was working with an osteopath, a craniosacral person, a medium. I've worked with, I did some taro reading. Like I've done all these and I had a shaman come to my house. And I mean, I'm forgetting everything I've done, but I've spent the last year. healing. And in that healing, I realized that I also had like trauma because I was actually a neuroscience coach. I was going into working with athletes who've retired to help them with their traumas. And I thought I'd already done a lot of work on this until until I woke up. And then that

was another awakening for me to go deeper into my healing. Anyway, like I said to you, It was the best gift I gave myself. And then January of this year of last year. Sorry, this year. Yeah, I'm mixing up my years here, Sean. It was this year, January, right around the convoy where I got, I was sitting there meditating one day and I literally got this download. I just had this like massive, oh, it's go time.

Like stand up. It's go time. You're ready. Like that's what I was hearing. And so I'm going, okay. Okay, I've got this. because I felt at that time I built up enough courage because I was watching Theo and I was watching so many other people that I followed speaking out.

And I'm going, I'm just going to get absolutely annihilated. Well, my Twitter page went from 13,000 followers to 25,000 almost now. And Instagram was a bit different. It went down 2000. I lost 2,000 followers. And then I'm back up to a little bit more than I had. So, and people were incredibly disgusted. I've heard the skating communities discussed it and embarrassed.

and I've had people send me messages of like how I should have my medals taken away. I lost my best friend's circle. They told me back when the jobs were coming out that if I wasn't going to get it, I was a risk to be around. And that I was now surrounding myself with a white supremacist community. We're all racist now because they got no other names to call us. When you watch people peacefully protest and stand up for freedoms, and they don't understand that we've had our freedoms taken away because they didn't really,

you know, like I couldn't go to a restaurant for months. I couldn't get it. I still can barely get on the plane. I can't fly to the U.S. They make it difficult. They've suspended it for now. But yeah, you know what I mean? Like we've had all these, you know, these experiences where we're sitting, I'm sitting back and I'm

going, how are you guys not seeing this? Well, they would just say, well, there's consequences. And my son, my 14-year-old son, I begged him not to get it because there was. was coercion at school. And now because, you know, I stand up for all this. He wants nothing to do with me. I haven't seen him really in nine months. Like it's just been heartbreak after heartbreak, gut punch after gut punch, going through a divorce. And some of my family has said some pretty awful things to me. And it's just been really, really, really difficult. And but I have a nine-year-old, a daughter that's been with me this whole time.

And she's more awake than most adults I know without me even telling her things. Like she sees things and she'll mention things to me and I'm just going, some of these little kids are just very, very intuitive. And she'll say things. And the one healer I was working when she said, listen to her. Listen to her. She knows. Okay.

So there's a story for you. That was a lot. Okay. So I want to go, I want to get to all of that. But I want to go back to one of the first things he said about working on yourself. And it was before January this year, you were doing, you know, you went from everything from mediums to tarot cards to just like osteopaths. Like you rattled off a ton. Yeah.

And I'm curious, like, what did you, what were you trying to accomplish? Because those are, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong on this. I feel like those are very different things. maybe trying to accomplish the same goal, but very different ways about going in. So what were you trying to do? That's actually a good question, Sean, because traditionally, I've always had a therapist that I've gone to to work through things even within marriages and stuff. And they've always helped to a degree.

I did know even through my work that, you know, as long as we have undelt with trauma from either childhood or adolescent years, then it's always going to affect us, even no matter how many times we talk about a problem. it's if you don't deal with the with the deep underlying issue which is trauma and theo will talk about this too it's always you're always going to get triggered as an adult you're always going to like even right now when people call me crazy or they say this so i was when i was younger because i was a big dreamer someone probably when i was five or six years old told me i was i was crazy for having big dreams like that so now as an adult here i am getting called crazy again and i would

lose it in the beginning i'd get so offended and so hurt and so what but if you're I didn't have that childhood trauma. I would have sat back and said, I'm not crazy. Like, you'll see soon. And I would have been super calm about it, but I got super triggered. So it was just all those triggers that I received along this awakening process for me that made me realize I've got work to do. And I actually talked to Theo about it.

He said, keep going. Just keep going. And so then I worked with another healer. There was like, I don't even know what to call these people. I like calling them healers because they do different kind of work. So I realized, um, this is a. really just about sitting with a therapist and talking about my problems. This was going deeper into my spiritual body, if you will, like, you know, going into the trauma, but also dealing with the spiritual

side of me and what that looks like. And, you know, developing even faith throughout this whole thing. I literally was like, you know, the universe, God, whatever you want to call it, opened a door for me here this last year to really, I hate, because I don't like the word loss. We don't lose things that we did, like, you know what I mean? I use the word transform or transformation, but I had things transition out of my life. And it doesn't mean that they were all bad. Like these people aren't bad people, but they had to transition out of my life. Because now in a spiritual level, when you understand, when you create, when you're not living

in fear anymore, you vibrate much higher than people who are living in. fear. Okay. So when you start vibrating higher, you're on a different frequency. And you can't be with those people anymore that are in a lower vibration because they're living in a different reality. Like, look at all the people still sleeping. You know, I still have family that are super afraid. And this is, you know, I'm like, guys, we're still really playing this COVID thing? Like, you've had your shots. Like, can we just move on? But they just want to hold on to that narrative. And I actually have a hard time now being around that because and it's not because I get triggered anymore. It's more just that I'm protecting myself from, well, it's just a spiritual protection,

I guess. I don't even, it's hard to describe if you haven't done this kind of work. But because I feel so, I feel really good about where I'm at with how I see things, being around people who are still talking about the news and COVID. and this and this and this. It's just very, it's just a low vibration for me. It's like, do we really have to talk like this? Like live in that still?

I've noticed a change probably since somewhere maybe Ottawa, maybe a touch before that. I mean, somewhere in that time frame of more people talking about faith, energy, healing. you get the direction. Now, certain people aren't going to say you can't do it that way you can't do. You know, like people have their belief system. But to me, it's all heading down the same kind of trajectory. And it wasn't there before. Like the year prior, it wasn't there.

Everybody was kind of like lost in la la land of what is going on and nobody's listening to anything. And now I hear a lot of people talking openly about what you're, you know, not exactly what you're talking about. although I've ran into a lot of Jamie, so to speak, that are talking openly about healing their self and moving on and different vibrations and certainly all that. I've heard lots of people finding God, starting to pray more, that type of thing. And I just, I can't remember the exact quote or how it was put to me, but it's in times like

this where all things seem lost, people find faith. Something along that lines. That's what happened. And I, you know, I never wanted to offend people in the past because in my coaching programs, we, God was like, or the Bible was, would be used at times through my program that I was certified in. And I always took it out because I'm like, oh, I don't want to offend anybody. But I tell you what, I know there's a God. And I've always believed in something bigger has created all this. I mean, come on, like, look at a baby, how we create babies alone. And then you've got everything else around us. But, um, And I'm not saying that I'm a Bible pusher or whatever, but we are living the Bible right now. This is biblical, what we're going through, revelations. And I haven't read it. And I'm confessing.

I haven't totally read it. But my cleaning lady, she's amazing. We talk a lot. She is Christian and she has filled me in with everything. She's like, oh, yeah, all the fires and the floods. Like she goes, this is totally in the Bible. And I'm like, wow. So I truly believe that this is, you know, because we all of.

us, truthers or patriots, whatever you want to call, everyone's speaking out, want this right now. And trust me, I'm one of them. I wake up every day going, please, like, let this implode today. Like, we need the truth to come out. We need, but we know that God wins. We know that the truth wins. And I just, I guess for me, what we've understood. You know what, this is a whole other conversation, actually. But I do believe that why people find faith is because you see. You said they find God. That's kind of what happened with me was it. It wasn't that I didn't think he was there. It, she, he, whatever is there. It was just that having a deeper faith in him, in God. And knowing that we're going to be okay because what the ultimate plan for all of us was,

was absolutely horrific. And we would have already gone there if that really, if God hadn't stepped in or God wasn't a part of this. So, you know, and I think God's in, God is in every one of us, right? So even the people that are, the military that is fighting this, the, you know, whether you're a Trump fan or not, it doesn't matter. He's involved in in taking down the cabal. And so like, that's always an awkward conversation with so many Canadians because we have been brainwashed to hate him. And, you know, when the election fraud comes out here soon, hopefully soon, you're going to see the good, the good that he is done. And I, you know, waking up last year, also was waking up to how, why is it that the media is always making him look so bad?

Like, they just hate him. And then I started diving into why. But also when Trump calls them out on everything, it'd be hard to be in that occupation and not hate him. Yeah. You know. Well, he's calling them out on absolutely, like you said, everything that they're doing. And he's taken them down one at a time. And they don't want that.

Right. When I go back to an interview with Julie Pinesse, I remember this is a while back now, but, you know, I'm kind of rose-colored glasses. I was going, you know, like, how long are we in this for? Like three months, six months? And she was staring at me like, no, it's going to be a lot longer than that. And, you know, I've started interviewing a few different First Nations men and hope to continue it on because obviously there's a lot of things going on with, with, with, Canadians and the First Nations that stretches back a long time. And what worries me is, you know, I was just told by a story by Clint, Troken, a man here from Lloyd Minster,

about from the 1890s to roughly World War I, so about 20, 25 years, where they didn't allow them to have any gatherings. So they had to do it in secret. That's 25 years. Now, different age, certainly. Different times, certainly. But kind of what's went on in the last two years, and I don't mean to draw a comparison directly to what First Nations have gone through. But the playing it out the same way, it's like to think that it's been two years and you go, well, we should be out of this tomorrow. Well, I mean, they just pushed for September now to have the RiveCAN app continue on, right? And you just see what's going on. And you just see what's going you go like listen we can we can all sit here and act like we're going to be out of this in two months

because that's where I was like a year ago or we can all realize if you don't keep pushing this could be 20 years of of of what and it's like and what's it for at this point at this point I think a lot of us are in the the same idea that um listen you've had your shots everybody's still getting COVID so what's the point of segregating part of the population other than to divide and pit and and that play has been used for all of history. It's, it's a, it's a political tactic that, you know, maybe it's been right in front of our eyes, Jamie, for a long time and we've just never clued in. Has been, yes.

But now, now it's happening for everyone to see and it's being sped along, you know? We got, it's got strange times here. Well, and I think what I wanted to elaborate on with the whole faith thing was, that we what people aren't understanding. And even some of our the truthers don't really know what this is. They just know that we have a tyrannical government right now, right? But a man that, what does he say? He really, really likes China and the dictatorship that they have. Yeah. So we can see that our, our leader is, wants to be this or is trying to be that way. But we are in a spiritual war right now. This is God versus Satan, good versus bad, light versus dark.

And when everybody understands when all of this comes out, what you're going to see is that the elitists of the world that have been running the world and even down, because it's like a pyramid, right? You've got the top, I think, 13 families. And then it just goes down, down, down. And even the politicians aren't. They're like puppets. They're not even, they're bad, but they're not really part of the top bad, bad guys. And so we're talking like Luciferian, they worship Satan. And like I said, it just tears down.

They want all, it's like a cult, right? So they've gotten, you know, actors, celebrities, singers to sell their souls to become famous and do certain things. And we've got, you know, you know, I think the biggest pandemic in this world is trafficking. I just had Paul Brandt on this past week talking about not in my city and human and child trafficking and sexual exploitation. It's, it makes your skin crawl. well and when this comes out people won't be able to sleep when they find out how bad it's been like we all knew it goes on and oh we can't do what am i going to do what am i going to do when you find out your favorite celebrities a part of it and that's the sick things that they've been doing

at that peto island out there and well that's you know i'm going to torture her name and i should know this by now. Jillian, Maxwell? Giselle? Gisle. Gisle. Yeah, whatever. I'm just happy I didn't introduce you as sail or sale or, you know, anyways.

Sales. Yeah. But that one, that one is, you know, when you get into the muddy waters of what is fact fiction, I mean, Jeffrey Epstein, the island. I mean, that is, that is. beyond coming back from once you watch up read about it a little bit realize how many people went there and you know like i'm i'm not for somebody was on his plane once and made a mistake and you know and but when you start to see like everybody brings up bill gates how many times you went

there you're like come on 30 something like excuse me come on at some point you got to go we can all agree when if if you go meet somebody tomorrow out for coffee you get a feeling now if you go there 27 more times and realize how corrupt and like just horrendous crimes are created uh you had to have noticed that at some point you just had to yeah you can't convince me otherwise no and and i know that you know there's been so many discussions around this and everyone's like oh that's a conspiracy and I'm like, okay, my conspiracies have all come true because so I need some new ones. Like, and this is all going to come out. The whole tease of just laying or whatever her name is, you know, how everyone, and I called it out. I said, we need names because there was no names on this

list, but it's going to, it's going to come out. And this, again, will shock the public. And when you see like how, like for me, one of, like some of my favorite people that I've cheered on, watched their movies, bought tickets to their concerts, like you name it, are on lists that are part of this whole thing. And so, yeah, so this is where, and then you're going to find out about adrenachrome and the sick part about the sickness of this. And it's all connected to even what's gone down in the U.S. recently with Roe versus Wade.

And everyone's all, people are upset because I'm all about your body, your choice, too. But when you understand what they've been doing with this specific procedure in the U.S., especially, I don't know about in Canada. I haven't heard of this. It's pretty disgusting, right? So the harvesting of organs and the blood and et cetera, et cetera. And this whole agenda, it's all part of it. And when everybody starts to understand, you're going to start putting things together

and it's going to all make sense for you. And you're going to see that this was just a massive takedown of Satan. And like, like I said, they all worship, these people worship Lucifer. Illuminati. There you go. You know, we've watched, listen to the, watch the movie and with Tom Hanks and read the books. It's funny. I got passed along a name. I'm trying to see if I can get them on. Now, this might be a huge stretch. And who knows, maybe all my listeners know exactly what I'm talking about. You know, the adrenachrome and everything else seems pretty like, well, that can't be true, you know. But David, David Dalladon, I hope I'm saying his name right. He's a guy who's went undercover. And, no, once again, the adrenachrome aside, just go to the harvesting of body parts. Which. Yep, big business. Is big business. Anyways, he's one that could go to jail for life for doing underground journalism trying to expose this in the States.

Now, once again, here in Canada, here in little old Lloydminster, I don't want to stir everybody up into an absolute panic and frenzy. But there are some pretty troubling things going on. And one of the things that the last two years and paying attention to our corporate media, just seeing how things are talked about and everything else, is very troubling. Like, it's just like the longer it goes on, you're like, this is, this is unsettling. You know, I got to go to Ottawa. I got to see what was happening there and then what mainstream corporate media was talking about. And you're just like, this doesn't even make sense.

sense. This is literally, this literally doesn't make any sense. No. But, but, but if you only focused on what they were saying, it does make sense because that's, we're, uh, you know, a huge portion, you know, like, uh, come back to what Theo's doing on, on Tucker Carlson. He went on Tucker Carlson, right? And tell the people watch Tucker Carlson, right? Like lots, but here, but here in Canada, um, you know, if, if you're a CBC, you know, like, I've always, up Judy Reeves. Judy Reeves was a lady who survived a perfect storm way back in 1991. I interviewed her.

She was fantastic. And she talks about how the CBC kind of saved her life. It was like her lifeline. And she was as she's bobbing in this boat in 100 foot waves, you know, getting crashed on things. She's going to die. She's listening to the CBC. Then the CBC calls her and talking to her.

And you understand what the CBC means to Canadians, right? For it's it's kind of a cultural thing. I mean, look at your career and how much good it did on report. reporting on the Olympics and everything else. But now, where it is today, there's so many of us that have just lost touch with it. Well, I mean, literally lost touch with it. But there is that sentiment for a portion of Canadians,

that that is what the CBC stands for. And so they're still hooked into it. And you're like, you got to unhook yourself. You got to unplug from that. You got to go, you know, look at some alternative views and start to do, you know, doing your own research has got a negative connotation to it right now because that's what they're putting towards all these, you know, the fringe minority. They all do their own research.

The thing is, it's like really powerful. You can listen to us to go back and forth. But if you start just not being told what, you know, like you talk about looking at the Sweden graphs and everything, one of the most impactful things, and I mentioned this multiple times, I did, was I went to our government's data, Alberta's, Florida's, South Dakota, Sweden, because it's all there. And once you start like,

you know, and there's guys in Alberta, David Dixon's one, Sheldon Yakutuk is another. Like they've been following it. And if you start to pay attention and just do it yourself, you're like,

now this is all there. It's troubling. But you to see, but they don't want to look at it. And especially at this point that we've gotten past, you know, everyone's jabbed.

Now it's like, well, I got it. So I bought into this. I don't want to find out that the media is lying to me and that it's the, you know, the hospitals are actually like 80% vaccinated and like they don't want to know this. They don't want to look at it. Like I even talk to, I try to bring things up with family and it's like they just change the

subject. They can't talk about it. And I get it. Lots of, lots of people are tired, Jamie. In fairness to them for two years, this is all we've heard, all we've heard, all we've heard. And now it now it feels like it's over, right? people are allowed to travel even, you know, we're allowed to travel across the country and it's, you know, like this.

But you look at the tea leaves and you see where it's coming in the fall and Dr. Tam talking about. Yeah. Apologies on the tongue and cheek here. But I think it's the seventh wave. I kind of forget now. You're talking about changing it from are you, do you have your two shots to as your shots up to date, right? And the terminology on it, you've got the arrive can being pushed. now to September they're going to keep it in place for like you start to see where this is headed and it

it feels like oh man this is groundhog day like this is back last summer last summer I was a firm belief that you know we're going to have a certain percentage and we'll move on and whoops right like whoops yeah and so you look at it and you go people are just worn down that honestly if if you look at it I've even seen people who went to whether who were meeting all through this, right, behind closed doors, trying to fight the good fight, who just got worn down and just got tired. I just want to talk about something else. I just want to do something else. I felt that. I think a lot of people have felt that.

The danger of that right now is, is that the fall comes and they keep things in place, you know, like Justin Trudeau, 2025, him and Singh until 25, you think about that. We've got to slug it out here for some years. This was a conversation I had with my uncle the day, and he's awesome. I love him. But, you know, bless his heart. He's not awake. But he's so easy to, I can talk to him a little bit, and I can share some things. And he just, because we're having a family gathering here at the end of the month.

And he said, you know, I just won't tolerate anybody talking about. Because I said, I have a hard time kind of being around people that are talking with the news. I told him everything I shared with you. And he said, I won't have it. like we're just, we're there to have fun. We're going to, you know, whatever. And if people start bringing up their religion and they're this and they're that and the news. And he goes, I will escort them out.

And I said, okay. And he goes, we just, you know, I just want to focus on all the good. And normally that's my take on life. I'm always like, find the good. Gratitude is important. Even when times are tough, you have to find the good. That's always been my way of living. But I said to my uncle, I go, you have to understand.

Like, I understand. what you're saying too, like that you want to focus on the good right now, but that is part of the problem for people for the people in Canada that aren't seeing this. I said, if you're just going to pretend like none of this is happening over here, I go, it's going to get worse. We need to unite. We don't need to be divided. Like they've divided us very, very, very well. And they continue to divide us, right? Now this Roe versus Wade thing has made Canadians all speak up and be, you know, anyone that's going to be pro-life is going to be now part of the anti-vaxxer group. And like it just continues to be divide, divide, divide.

So my whole thing is I'm trying to promote and put out truth content, but I'm also trying to say to people like, we need to be together in this. And especially now, I mean, we literally have to see ourselves like an army and go after. But what's really interesting is how so many people still don't think that the government is doing anything bad. Like so many. They don't see that. Like I've had a handful of people on social media say to me like, oh, Jamie, what about your life isn't being free? And maybe you need to go to Ukraine to understand what, you know, losing your freedom is all about. And I get all kinds of messages like that. I'm going, I don't know. I haven't been able to fly for over a, for about a year now.

I didn't, I couldn't go to a restaurant for like six months or however long that was. Remember when they said only vaccinated people could go to restaurants. Like that to me was like, how do you not see this as a problem? Just look at free speech. This show, you know, I was fortunate enough to, I don't even know some days how, you know, you stumble into things. But I got to interview Chris Barber, right? It's got to be one of the few because he's not allowed to talk.

I mean, obviously lots of people interviewed him when he's there, but now he's not allowed to talk to anyone, right? like he's on gag order and that type of thing. But whenever in history of we've been censored and not able to talk and canceled and why? What are they afraid of? People talking, right? Because when people talk, then, you know, they wake up. Well, and you can unify together and people like Ottawa really showed how powerful the people truly are.

Yes. And that has to be terror. Yeah, but it has to be terrifying if you want to put, but I, you know, like, I can't, I always come back to us. I can't believe all politicians are bad because they're not. And I know some and I, they seem like good people. What I can't understand is why the institution itself is just set up in a way that doesn't allow that to shine through, right? Like it just, it doesn't. Like it's just, that's wild. But from what I'm understanding from the fall of the cabal that I watched was that everyone that's in the like political leaders right now have been. place there. Like, these elections aren't even real. We vote. Our votes really haven't mattered. They've been completely rigging the elections with their W-EF people in place. But look at it like it's a big game. If I put it in, meet your figure skater, I'm a hockey player. If we look at it like, okay, these are the rules to the game. Yeah. I think the election is real. I do. The thing is, is like, but when you break down the numbers of the election, Jamie,

they don't need 90% of the country to agree with them because 90% of the country doesn't vote, right? Look at the percentages that actually vote. So then they just have to be smarter on how they get their percentage to go vote. They use money and tactics to get them out to vote. You know, like look at what happened in Alberta. I'm pretty harsh on all the leaders up, you know,

from premieres all the way up to Justin Trudeau. Jason Kenny has his his, the vote on his leadership, right? It's supposed to happen in, you know, I'm going to mix up dates, whatever, but it was supposed to happen in April, in red deer, in person. And then they pushed it because they said they couldn't handle that amount of people. What a wonderful thing that that amount of people were willing to come and put their thought in, right? Think about that. So then they pushed it to mailing. And as soon as you heard mailing, you're like, this is, this is freaking wild, right?

And anyone can say, oh, because we want to be safe, whatever. It's like, come on. There's even if you want to be safe, okay, spray some out and everything else. Hell, we just listened to one of the chief medical advisors of, for flying, say they didn't say you should have a, they never recommended vaccination to fly. They literally said distance and masking. And listen, that's a whole other argument. But you just hear that.

And you're like, oh, so what? Did I, did I hear that right? That's coming out of the one of the chief medical advisors for. And you go like this goes on and on and on. And it's just to me, if I put it in in a game like format, I go, they're playing the game. They know the rules. And their rules,

they've been making them for how long, right? And I just sit here as a poor man from middle of Alberta, Saskatchewan on the border going, like falling along going, this is, this is wild. And you're seeing people start to pick up on that. And once you realize that,

it's like, I don't know, that's where I, sit because I truly believe the election matters. I could be wrong on that. And maybe a ton of people will be like, you're too green to it. But have you seen 2000 meals? Yes. Okay. So we've got like that will be coming out here soon. We've got, you know, the U.S. is just going to be part of showing people how they rake elections or how they've, they manipulate them. But do you think, here's the question I got for it. Do you actually think it's going to come out or are they going to find ways to twist

and turn and hold it down. No, I do. I think it has to come out because it's so big. Like, it's so big. So you've got the one, the mules are only one part of it. They said the next part that's going to come out is going to be make the mules look like. It's really not that big of a deal. It's huge.

And that's, I think, through the dominion box or the dominion voting machines. Wait till you, like, okay. And of course, you know, we follow things that I go, you know what? I have to understand, too, that some of the things in the truth or movement are also not. true, right? Because they're trying to create confusion or they're just maybe paid opposition. So you have to have discernment for sure when you're listening to things. But like, hello, you're watching this guy down in the States? Like, people voted for this? I don't think so. And then, and then even our voting, our last election for Trudeau. I mean, like, do you think

that at that point, we were all, like, majority of Canada voted for him? But majority of Canada didn't vote for him. The popular vote went to the conservatives. The popular vote, I think, went to Trump. Am I correct in that? I think so. Maybe quote me on that. One of the things I always give my listeners is make sure you're fact-checking me,

because honestly, like, one of the things is I love about a podcast is the diversity of guests that come on. But I always want people to think for themselves. And they do. My listeners are fantastic. But like, when you come back to the Canadian election, that's why I take it back to a game. They know the game. And so, like, yeah, Trudeau gets in because of the way the system's set up.

It's not set up for a popular vote, right? It doesn't matter if you get, it's all about the different areas, seats. I'm butchering it a little bit, but you get the point, right? So majority and Canadians didn't want him in. That's why it's a minority government. But now I've never seen, and I don't think a lot of people have ever seen sing team up with him so that he can stay in. and they can push through wild things.

That is wild. It's evident if anyone wants to pay attention, you can. And for most Canadians, you know, they just, you think things have to get really bad in order for most people to pay attention, Jamie. That's, and I don't want that. I don't think any of us want that. Well, they have to show people. And that's what I was hearing even last year was that, unfortunately, they, they meaning

like whoever is in charge here besides God, they have to show people what they had in store for us. it may not get as bad. It won't, it won't get to that point where we're getting hauled off to concentration camps, but they literally said they have to show people. People have to experience pain because we've been sleeping, all of us for a long time. It's all been happening right in front of our eyes, our whole life, and we've just gone along with it. And not just Canadians, like many, the world. And, you know, they don't even hide it. If you go on the W. W.E.F.'s website, it's all right there what their plan was.

They don't hide it. And Sean, you know this too. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. Well, I read the Great Reset. I bought it because I wanted to see. And honestly, to anyone who reads it, it's not like this extremist book, parts of it are like,

oh, that's uncomfortable, right? But majority of Close Schwab's thoughts aren't like this extreme, whatever. But then, you know, like I say that. and then I'll follow it up with, I think majority of people by now have seen Close Schwab talk about how he has young global leaders

in all the governments, how Canada, like it's, I forget what his number is in his little, his little talk. You just said he has all his leaders, his puppets put in place. Believe me, yes. That's the thing.

Like I understand how Trudeau got in. I get all this. I watched that night and everything. But my point is that, I don't know if, like, I truly don't believe that it really counts. I think that they find a way to put them there anyway. I do. I mean, look what the U.S.

Apparently Trump won by 80%. So, you know, and yet this has been a year and a half, right, or so since that election. I know, I guess I have a little bit of a different, I'm married to an American. So I hear different stories from the United States side. And there are a lot of people who are frustrated by Donald Trump just on, I think a lot of Democrats, wife's from Minnesota, Blue State, right,

that liked lots of what Donald Trump did, but couldn't handle him what he was saying. And if he would have just stopped that, now that's, and so to me, I don't know, I sit and I look at the United States and I go, it's not my world.

I got to focus on what my world is. My world is Canada. My world is Alberta, Saskatchewan, the people that are around me. And so that's why I appreciate what Theo is doing. That's why I appreciate what you're doing, because it's bringing to,

what's going on in Canada. The United States is staring at us going, what is going on up there? Hell, the world's staring at us, right? So like, all Trump aside and what's going on there, maybe it's going to blow the lid off a whole bunch of things. And we all know the United States influences a ton of what happens in Canada. But right now, Canadians just need to stand up for their beliefs and move forward. We can do that in a way that is respectful, but like, I'm not budgeon past here. And to me, that's what the freedom convoy was about. That's what James Top walking to Ottawa is about. And I think the more people that do that in the right way that are respectful, you win this thing. I hope. But in the meantime, Jamie, we all know that it continues to,

you know, get a little bit stranger, you know, Tamara Leach, just to rest it again, taken off to, to, well, soon to be taken off. I think she's taken off to Ontario, right? And I don't know, I'm going to quote the Western Standard because this is where I first read it. She's in the process of being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Like, this is happening in Canada while she's, you know, winning awards for essentially just standing up to her government of like, and I got to, you know, I don't know if I've ever said this aloud on here. But I got to meet her in Ottawa, right? Give her a hug.

She's a nice lady. Don't get me wrong at that point in time. thing everybody was stressed everything was going about a thousand miles an hour but like that's where we are at in canada and those are things that need to be talked about you know like we need to remind people that like right now as we sit today the the government is putting out a free material for parents and educators that's going to have the red enzyme as a decreed as a hate symbol now the only reason this jumped out at me was because I've been doing a ton of historical podcasts. I've been interviewing people who are my elders.

So and your elders for that matter, like they'd be anywhere between 60 years old to like almost 100. Okay. And so the reason the red enzyme jumps out at me is before we had the Canadian flag, we had the red enzyme. That's what we fought World War I and World War II under. it's what all of our human rights came under. It's like all these crazy things and it's now going to be viewed as a hate symbol. These are the things that I watch in Canada and go, we got to pay attention to this stuff. We need to be vocal about this stuff.

Otherwise, where do we slide to? It's why I appreciate you standing up and talking. We know once we start letting our freedoms go, they're pretty hard to get back. The only way you win freedoms is by blood, I believe, is what the saying goes. You know, you have a, what's lovely about you, Jamie and Theo,

and different people like that is you had a, people don't expect you to talk out because Canadian athletes, maybe athletes in general, certainly in the States, there's a few more that are vocal, but Canadian athletes, I would say overall, prim, proper, don't speak, smile.

We were trained this way. Like when I'm, it was, you don't put your opinion out there. You don't, you're not vocal on political views. You don't talk about that stuff because you needed, like you just said, you needed to keep your name clear. Stay out of the controversy. Stay out of the, you know, that way you're always going to be liked kind of thing. You're not, you're not in trouble. You're not a troublemaker.

You're not. So we were kind of conditioned this way, programmed, whatever. And that's why me speaking out is really rattled a lot of people. like Craig, my ex said to me, you realize you're like ruining your reputation, right? And I said, you know, Craig, I said, I know I've worked really hard to get where I'm at and, you know, to have this to be liked or whatever, but I said, I can't help right now or I can't care that people don't want to like me because I'm standing up for freedom. I said, I don't have a personal agenda here to harm people. I said, I want to help humanity. I'm doing this to stand up for

everybody's freedoms because even though you don't think you're you're part of this you will be one day if you don't see this and that's kind of been my message to a lot of these people but it's like I'm sorry I at this point I'm fighting I don't like the word fighting but I'm battling or I'm standing up in this spiritual war I'm trying to support other people who feel alone because I can tell you right now I felt so alone and even some days I still do and it's not because I I actually think I'm alone. It's just because in my home, you know, I've got my eight, nine-year-old daughter with me, but I've got nothing else. Like, I don't have a lot of family. I have no family really to talk to about this. I've got my best friends or my awake friends that I talk to regularly. We visit,

we have get-togethers, and that's great. But, you know, like when you lay your head down at night and you're laying beside your partner and you, you know, you're both talking about like the stress of the day and part of being awake, it's like I envy that. I envy. that, you know, I don't have that. I don't even have, you know, that closeness in the family unit to have that support. They all think I'm down a dangerous path, actually, is what they've been saying to me. So it's been so hard. And so, you know, yeah, I know there's going to be haters, but I think even there, let's sit back and look at why did people have to be so hating on others who are saying something different, who feel differently about things. And, you know,

I've always, I think I didn't really understand when, like I told you in January, when I got that download, like it's go time. I didn't really understand entirely what that meant until I started posting and holy man, did I get annihilated? And then I went, okay, I'm not sure this is for me. And I even had friends come at me and say, Jamie, maybe you shouldn't be posting this kind of stuff. Like, have you seen your comments? And I'm like, you know what? I called Theo. I'm like, how do you handle this? He goes, you don't look at it. Because he says, said, you know that we're on the right side of this, meaning I'm not even talking about jobs. I'm talking about history. We're on the rights. We know that we have to take these guys down

and we have to do it as a community or as a society, as a country. There's not three of us that are going to do it. We have to unite. And so it's kind of like you think of the in battle, right? We all have to start gathering our troops and let's go. Let's fight back. Let's speak out. And it's gotten so much better, Sean. It's, you know, I get the odd one now, but most people are jumping on. And I have vaccinated people that are with us now because it's not about that. 100% because it's not about that. It's not about that.

No. Chris Barber, Chris Barber who got me removed the entire channel from YouTube. I've said this one too many times on here, but I like bringing it up regardless. Chris Barber who got removed from YouTube got me removed from YouTube is vaccinated and led the West Convoy. to Ottawa, right? People need to understand that. This isn't about it's the reason it gets brought up is that's how they divided us. That's what they divided us. That was the first big one. Yes. That was the big one. And now the reason it gets brought up is because, listen, they're on to third, fourth, fifth boosters. And nobody's talking about the harms now, right? The big, the big thing is, and I'm not sitting here going, you know, you can listen to the McCullough.

the Robert Malones. Yeah. Like all these guys Dave Martin talk about the problems that can come of that. Right? Going back to what you said about

Craig and and you know like ruining your reputation and that type of thing. I think I go back to a conversation I had with a friend way back when and he said you know, I'm just thanked there's people that are willing to, so, you know, stand up and yell and be extreme is what he was pointing out.

Because then he goes, then I don't have to be extreme. And what he was meaning was is that way it never gets past the point that's uncomfortable. And it brought up, it always reminds me of a quote, it's a guy from Germany. I'm forgetting it. I pulled up the quote, but it said, first they came for the socialist and they didn't speak out because I was not socialist. Then they came for the trade unionist and I didn't speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak out because I was Jewish. And then they came for me and there was no one left to speak.

Right. And I think for a lot of people, they go, listen, is this Nazi Germany? No. But you don't start speaking out and standing up for what you believe in. It can turn into like literally. How do you think it started? You just read how it started. Literally in in Alberta and and Scatchewan,

Scatchewan really bothered me. They had a snitch line. They were talking about these detention centers like, you know, to pull, you know, and they put it in nice fancy words. Like, you know, it's so you can isolate with, you know, because you can't at home. You don't have a place to isolate. You started thinking about that.

They were hiring ex-police officers to go enforce it. Like, you know, you were starting to hear from small. towns. And like when I say this stuff out loud, you go, like, even when you start talking about it, you're like, man, we were closer and we think. Like, let's, let's call a spade a spade here. Yeah. I got completely annihilated for comparing the ideals or like the way that Trudeau was behaving compared to Hitler and everyone got so offended. I said, you guys, and there was a whole list of eight things of what Hitler did. Yes, the outcome obviously isn't comparable. You know, we're not in that state, but where do you think he started? He started with exactly what Trudeau was doing, and the list

was like identical. There was eight things. I'll find it and send it to you, but I was just like, I'm sorry, you guys, if you can't see this, I'm not saying that we're living in Nazi Germany right now. I'm not saying that. It's just showing you the comparable of where he started, what the plan was, how to divide people. That was not like one of the top eight things. Got to divide the public, right? Because if you have people divided, you have control. Yeah, they don't. talk. They don't talk. They're too worried about fighting, fighting them. Isolation was one. So how do you create, here's a, here's a difficult question that I've been wrestling with, right? How do you create unity amongst a population? You know, like, you talk about it. You've lost friends,

divorce, a son that won't talk to you. Like, how do you sow unity back into the community? Well, what I believe is that I can't change their minds, the people that have transitioned out of my life for now or for good. I can't change their minds. But what I can do is continue on for the rest of us. And eventually it's up because they say that there's a lot of the public that won't wake up. That's what they're saying. I don't know how, but they're saying that there could be up to 20% of the public that will not wake up. So we can only focus on what we can do moving forward.

and and by doing that with love coming from love like i get people that send me really messy messages like nasty and instead of writing them back and being like you know all sharp with them back and saying something not nice back i actually send them love i go i'm sending you love and light i even now write happy awakening because it's going to be uncomfortable but i don't sit there and ridicule them or shame them back i just say sending you love and light and they hate it because it's like, why are you sending me that kind of energy? And I'm going, because I really do care about people. I know that your hate right now at me is not about me.

It's about where you're at. Right. So I'm able to like see it that way now. And I actually feel I have empathy for these people or compassion. But the only way that we can continue to wake people up is to continue on. But with love, not with that lower. vibration of hate and fear and shaming and ridiculing. When truthers are shaming and ridiculing others, I have no, there's no place for that on my platforms. No thanks. Like I don't, I actually will

block those people too because it doesn't make us any better. You don't sit there and shame them for getting, you know, doing, making the choices that everyone did the best they could with what they knew, you know, so at that time. But now it's starting to, there's just showing us more. We're starting to experience things like everyone's getting uncomfortable with all this, right? So we as like a team, I call us a tribe, whatever you want to call it. We continue to march forward and we welcome them with open arms. Like it's never too late to join us, guys. Come on.

Like we have to unite in this. And you just have to put that out there. That's what I do. It reminds me. To your listeners, but you can't do things. It reminds me of Christianity. Love or fear. Love always wins.

And we have to come from love. we can't come from the other side. That's where they've had us for two years. No more. It reminds me of Christianity, the idea of what you just said, right? Carry on with love. Anyone can join at any time. Anytime.

And we're doing this for everybody. Like I told my mom months and months ago, I said, Mom, I'm standing up for, like, for all of us, not me and not my kids, just my kids. Of course, my kids, but I'm for you, too. Like, everybody. You've paid a heavy burden, though, you know? I've heard this a lot about different, you know, when Joseph Borgow was touring, trying to get on the conservative ballot in the leadership race, there was multiple people on his group or stage or whatever I want to, you know, kind of describe it as that had gone through some tough things. I'm thinking of a nurse in particular who had lost her husband as well, divorce, sorry, not lost.

And that's what bothers me probably the most is how deep this has ran into society. This is, you know, I say like the family building block is probably the most important thing in the world. Followed closely by the community, right? But the families make up the community. So to me, I can't think of anything smaller other than maybe the individual after you get, you know. but like this has gone into like when I listened to what some of the things you've lost you know or had to give up or whatever you want to call it just like man that's a tough it's a tough position to put people in and that's what is so nefarious about everything that's gone on in the last two years is it they it's almost like they don't care and by they I just mean like greater society government it doesn't matter they're so focused on one thing they don't realize every. we're just discarding on the way to get there, you know? Oh, we don't care about that.

Oh, we don't care about that. And you're not the only one. That's, you've probably learned that that you're not the only one. But like a ton of people have a very similar story and it's wild to me. It's, it, I showed my mom three messages yesterday that I got just yesterday. Thanking me, number one. But also just going, it's been a really tough ride. I've lost this.

And these people have left my life and blah, blah, but like just story after story. story after story. I am so not the only one. And that's also what keeps me going is to hear that these people are standing in their truth and their sovereignty, right? Meanwhile, they've had all these losses. But again, on a spiritual level, I do believe that God universe aligns us where we need to be at that each time. And sometimes, and I also do trust in that there's a gift in this. And the gift isn't right in front of my eyes right now because I've gone, I'm still sad. There's days where I cry still, like a lot. I called my mom one couple Sundays ago, just sobbing because this is tough. But I just, you know, I know I'm on the right path, as they say.

They thought I was on a dangerous path. I know I'm on the right path. And I'm trusting in God. I'm trusting in our tribe. I'm trusting in that we're doing all the right stuff. But I do know there's a gift in this at the end of the day, at the end of the day, at the end, you know, when never this is over. I do know that. And I've gone through so much in my life from, you know, my first divorce to skating. My family's going through divorce. So many things in my career I've gone through where at the time it was so devastating. But in the end, the gift ended up being there. I'm like, wow, see, that did happen for really divine purpose. And again, that's kind of my coaching stuff coming out too there. But that's how I've always lived my life. Like right now,

we're in the middle of it. We're in the storm right now. So it's not easy to see the gift. but I trust that there's a gift. I have faith that there's a gift in this. And maybe it's that my son and I end up being stronger together. Maybe it's that, you know, those old friends weren't really meant to be in my life forever. And I'm now attracting incredible same vibrational friends. Like, who knows, right? I mean, it's already what I'm seeing with the people that I'm around.

I mean, we're all, we all see things so differently. We're all, like I said, I went and saw a hypnotist recently and he said, Jamie, you understand, And like, your vibration's here. You can't be around this. And it doesn't mean you can't love them. It doesn't mean you shame them or, you know, and I'm aware of that. I said, no, like, we have to pray for them. We have to, but it's like, I can't be around that.

Like, I'm a warrior right now. I want to, I want to win this. And I can't be around people who are living in fear. And it's not, not because I, like I said, not because I don't like you or I don't love you. And it's just, I'm moving. I'm going in this and hopefully you come along at some point. But there's a ton of from my, my vantage point,

there's a ton of mama bears who are raging right now. And they should be. But then I like what you just said because about last summer or fall, maybe it was when school was starting. There was a lot of criticism. And like it was where are the men? Where are the dads? for the mask mandate for the kids?

Where are the dads going to the schools and standing up for all these kids? And there were dads. Of course, I saw them too. But there was a lot of criticism around that. And I was like, oh my gosh, that's when I realized there was all these moms that were just.

They're the most vocal. They're the most, like standoffish. Like, and I don't mean that isn't like not approachable. Just like, this is my line. Don't come here.

And if you come here, there's going to be, you know, like you're not going to. like it. And I see it more and more every single day. There's more moms and more men are certainly standing up. Once again, I agree with you. There are dads certainly standing up. But the moms have made a line. Like here it is. Don't cross it. Well, and what's been difficult for me, and I'm not playing victim here, but what's difficult, been difficult, is that I have two different dads. I've got my son with David and then

my daughter with Craig. And they're both not seeing what I see. And they don't agree with me at all. And so it's been incredibly difficult for me to make decisions or choices for especially my daughter. My son isn't in my life right now. But because everything I do, I'm a bad mom now, right? I get questioned. I get challenged. It's like, well, I'm doing that because I'm a conspiracy theorist or I'm a white supremacist. Like, that's the judgment that I've had.

But yet a year and a half ago, I was a great mom making the same choice or decision, right, to protect my daughter. Like, let's just say I want to take her to school and I want a homeschooler. absolutely not. But a year and a half ago, it would have been like, yep, no problem. We'll have her at home. And, yeah. Like, it's just crazy because I don't think like them. I'm now cuckoo and I'm, you know, I'm not a good mom.

And I'm just like, oh. So I've been quite limited as to, you know, what I can't take my daughter to any rallies where there's kids playing in the fields and on the grass and having fun and the parents are all. See, what we understand about these rallies is that it brings us all together. It unites us. And it feels. really good. There's nothing bad happening there. There's no swearing. There's no shaming. It's stories of people that have gone through hell in this. Like nurses talking about how they got

fired and whatever, all kinds of stories. But it brings community together. And that's what we've loved about it. But yet it's like the worst thing I could do. It's like I'm putting my daughter in a cult. So I've been very mindful of like, you know, how much I introduced her. But if you've got a husband and a wife that are together in this, like, wow. And if anyone listening has that, like, just hold on to that because that's powerful and it's amazing. I would have given anything to have that through this whole thing. Yeah. It's tough.

You know, I, I, um, but it's character building, Sean. It's character building. Yeah, I, I don't know. I've, I'm an oddity, I think, because I'm married to, I don't like to talk too much about my wife because obviously that it's not what the show is about and it's privacy, right? But we look at everything going on from different vantage points. We certainly do. We have a lot of, you know, our children, we have three, six and under have, you know,

dad and mom stop arguing and we have to remind them that it's okay to have discussion. And it's okay to have heated discussion. That doesn't mean mom and dad don't love each other or anything else. It just means that we have a disagreement and we need to talk about it. it, right? And so we've had many disagreements over the last two years. But I think, um, you know, if I think about what Mel and I have done extremely well, because we, you know, there's going to be everything that we, there's parts we haven't done well, I'm sure, but we talk about the uncomfortable things a lot. And once you stop communicating with somebody,

that's really, really tough. Not, and I'm not trying to put that on to. you or anyone else. I just, I look at your situation and I already know it's so much different than mine. One is like, well, take Craig. He's on a national broadcast. All right. So he needs you to come along with him so that his career can stay what it is. It doesn't have to get, because he's at the pinnacle of broadcasting, right? And he's amazing at it. He's really good at it. Yeah, he's one of the best. He certainly is. And I'm not biased. I can actually say that. I've always thought he was the best. But you're right. But this, but this hurts him. Right. And so his choice becomes, and you know, and I certainly, you could probably talk about this. But it becomes, well, how do I navigate this if you're going to be vocal about it? And this isn't why we're getting a divorce, obviously. It doesn't, it's like we know I've gone through one already and it's not like. And again, it's all personal and I don't need to air my journey on it. And I don't mean to bring it up, Jamie.

I didn't mean. No, but I know that a lot of people are experiencing this, Sean. So I'm okay to talk about it. I'm not going to talk about what happened behind those doors. But it wasn't the reason. Let's just put it that way. What it was was that, you know, we always know that if someone, let's say someone leaves because they're with someone else, we know it wasn't just that person that they left

for that was the problem. The marriage was already falling apart. Right. And, you know, we were together 12 years. we tried really hard. There's just, there's a lot of things that weren't aligning. Let's just put it that way. And so when it came to this whole awakening, I literally had conversations of trying to share

content and things that I was seeing now and I was getting exposed to. And I just, they weren't being heard at all. It was just like, I don't want to hear this. That's conspiracy. And they would, because if you look any of these things up, of course, on Google or Wikipedia, media, anyone that speaks out against any of this is an anti-vaxxer, is a conspiracy theorist, is a white supremacist, they're extremists, you name it. So you can't even win when you're sharing content with somebody because right away,

fact checker, they go and look at bitch chutes or they look at rumble or they look at whatever you're using your site. And they're like, yeah, see? And that was the first thing that was always thrown at me was, oh, well, that's a right-wing conspiracy theory site. And I'm like, listen to the information. Like that's all I'm trying to get people. They wouldn't.

And so I got, I got, this was said to me back in, I want to say April, last April. So a year and a bit ago. You believe they're coming after us. I said, yeah. You believe they're coming after our kids? Yeah. You believe they're coming after our houses, like our homes. Yeah.

They don't hide it. You know. and this was Craig, they don't hide it. It's, it's in their agenda. And, uh, you will own nothing and be happy. Okay. And he goes, all right, that's all I need to know. And then it was like, my family wants nothing to do with this path you're on. And that was just like, but, but so, okay, so now we're, our marriage is already, you know, things are struggling. We're struggling. And now, now, now, now we're not aligned on this. And from that day on, I just got absolutely ridiculed and gas, gas lighting, the gaslighting that we all get through all this is just horrendous.

And so I just was like, I can't, I can't live like this. So it was kind of like I was already at the top and I just, you know, again, God universe opened up a door and said, okay, it's, it's time to move on. And it was really, really, it still is difficult. It's still hard. I think he's a wonderful person. We have a great, beautiful daughter together. I wish him well. I send him love. I told him I love him still, but we can't be aligned. And that's okay. That's okay. It was painful. And many people listening right now have gone through the same thing so they totally understand this. And I don't want to live in hate or fear. I don't want to be there. Even if he doesn't see what I see, it's okay. You know, like I'm just letting him be. And I've tried to send all of these people,

my family and my friends, and I've tried sending him things. They don't. want to hear it. They just, they never did and they still don't. Well, I appreciate you being, you being open. Certainly, it's, well, I'm pretty public. If I, if I, if I don't speak, I don't share my story,

you can go read on some lie on Google. So, and, and I'm not saying that what I'm saying is, is the truth. It's my truth. It's my perspective. My truth. Now, if you were to interview, Craig, it would be a different story. sure but and that's okay too right because we there's like his and hers and then there's the truth in the middle there's that truth but there's so many it's funny it's funny though if you got to you know let's say

i got to interview crack i feel like it'd be a very you know uh that side of the coin doesn't really want to talk about these things right and it wouldn't even have this conversation yeah it's got to be very um fucking yeah right like and yet where where where uh the truth of life lies is in talking about, actually talking about things, right? And talking about things is talking about the difficult stuff. And the difficult stuff is going on every single day before COVID, after COVID, all through this.

The difficult things is where the meaning is really truly found, in my opinion. And so to me, I appreciate you coming on and sharing, you know, where you're at and everything else because I think for a lot of, Canadians in even the extended world for that matter, see you starting to speak up and go, wonder what happened to Jamie to get her going, right? But when you start listening, you're just like the rest of us.

You just have a bigger platform. And those bigger platforms is when change can, in my mind, can start to really happen because those, when they start to align is when more people are going to, you know, there's going to be people that followed you for a long time. And really think the world,

of you and know you well before any of this. And they're going to go, huh, that's interesting. I didn't see that coming from Jamie, right? You talked about the figure skating community being disgusted by it. I bet you there's people in the figure skating community, they're going, bang on. About time somebody started saying it. Well, I get both. I mean, I get more of what the, what you just said.

I get more of, I get lots of messages like literally daily. I get one at least a day thanking me. You know, even on Twitter yesterday, I got, wow, I was a huge fan of you. And as I was waiting to read and I was, because what I used to get was I was a huge fan of you, but now you've turned, you've gone crazy and you're a lunatic. And I've been called every name. I've been told I need to have all my metal stripped of me and all any money I've made. And like, you name it, right?

But now it's like I was a huge fan of you when you were skating and to see that you're speaking out. I'm even a bigger fan. So those are what I hold on to because again, like it's not about, it's not about right and wrong. I hate, I hate saying I'm on the right side of this, but when I, what I, what I mean by that is that we know we can, we are, our eyes are open. We can see what we are in front of us. We can see what's happening and we're standing up to it. So that's what I mean about the right side of it. I'm not sitting back ignoring it, pretending like nothing's happening or just being oblivious to it, not wanting to see it. And the cognitive dissonance has been so profound from the very beginning. It's, but I watched this really, amazing interview and I don't remember the guy's name, but he explains how we all got here, how good of a job they've done with us, programming us through tell a vision, right? Tell a vision using programming, right?

You pick your programming. And he just explains like the mass, how we got to this mass psychosis of everybody just following what we're supposed to do. And there is no shame in it. We all were a part of it at one point, right? So now it's about not shaming the people who are still sleeping. It's not about that, guys. Please do not shame or ridicule the people that aren't seeing this.

I pray for them. Like, please, and don't get another job. Like, we can only do what we can do, though. And I just think staying positive, you know, being there for people who are struggling. just putting the word out there even that we love you no matter what, right? Well, I think one of the biggest things that happened, well, A, on the television and programming and all that, I remember in the middle of the winter,

somebody saying words are extremely important. And when you put it that way, yeah, you understand that it's, I go always go back to Jordan Peterson and Pinocchio. I just thought Pinocchio was Pinocchio. And then you understand the story that Pinocchio is telling. And you're like, holy crap, right? And if anybody hasn't listened to Jordan Peterson's like 10-part series on Pinocchio,

go spend like 20 hours, which is going to sound insane, except it's so well done. You're going to be like, holy man. There's so much meaning packed into that story and you just don't pick up on it. All of these movies and every show we've watched, it all has a meaning. They've been showing us. They've been showing us our whole life. They've been showing us.

It's been right in front of us. Like it's every once you see, can't unsee it. Like, have you ever seen people? Have you seen this? Have you seen this? Have you seen this? Like, they have their signals. And we've watched.

To the people listening and not watching. Like, one eye. Jamie's doing the one eye. The different slogans, the different things. that if you pay attention or start to see it, you're going to start seeing it everywhere. And you just don't realize it's been happening. Exactly. And we didn't know, we're like, oh, it's not stylish or fashionable. Like in a fashion magazine, you'd see a actress or an actor with covering one eye or their hair is

covering one eye or their head was sideways. You only saw the one eye. Like, it's signaling everywhere of what they're all about. And so anyway, these are rabbit holes. I've gone down. and we've all gone down. But it's just like... I remember we picked up my dad, my brother, and my wife from the airport in Ottawa, and we drove back with them.

And sitting in the airport, there was every probably two minutes, please remain six feet apart, have your mask on. And it just went over. And I was laughing because I was looking around. And if you haven't been in an airport, which most of us haven't.

It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated. or unvaccined. Most people didn't travel over the last two years. You got to realize you look around and you're like, why they keep playing that? There's literally nobody in this place. Like, is anybody listen to this at this point? Like literally, there's like 15 people in an entire airport, but every two minutes, please make sure you're staying. And it's just over and over and over and over and over. And the funny thing is, after like the seventh time, like, well, maybe we should actually stay six feet apart. I don't know if anyone cares. But that thought, creeps into your mind. So you understand how repetitive messaging and different things like that can

truly impact not only us, but kids and just society as a whole. Yeah, they did a really good job. And now we have to unprogram ourselves. Well, before I let you go, I had another question I was going to ask. And then it's just poof. It's gone. It's funny how that happens. But we do the final five. It's brought to you by Crude Master. Shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald, who have supported the podcast since the very beginning. I always joke that I haven't made it easy on them. Or maybe I've made it easy.

I don't. Who knows? If you're going to stand behind a clause that you think is right, then stand behind it, absolutely. We've been talking a lot about a lot of different deep conversations and where your line is and that type of thing. But what's one thing that Jamie stands behind? Truth.

But I know everyone's like, well, that's a, you know, what is truth, right? People love people like, what is the truth? You know what? Can I change that? Sure. Integrity. Do you care to it?

Yeah, fire away. No, just because I just feel like, but it's personal, right? Because for me, I'm standing in my truth. I'm standing in sovereignty and what my rights are, my God-given rights to be here. And I feel I feel integrity is everything. Yeah, that's, you might be the first person to say that to that question, but it's a good one. I always find it in the middle of COVID, one of my brothers and I got in these heated argument, like he did. I said some things that I always come back and I always apologize because I always overthinking.

He just laughed at me and whatever. But his line, well, became a big slogan, honestly, across the world was where is your line? And in the middle of the argument, he said something like that. And I looked at him and I was mad. And I looked at him and I just said, it's the best thing you've said in this entire argument, I don't know. That's a deep question. And then on top,

but when your line starts getting bumped and brushed and everything else, you're like, well, was it actually my line? Or was I just saying that, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I find what you stand behind is a similar question. And it was he's words that, you know,

he said it to me probably a year, year and a half ago now. And I remember thinking on that like that's a loaded question because once again, once you say I stand behind something, do you actually, right? Do you stand behind, you know, like, or is it just something that sounds nice and it's a nice like catch you a little slogan? And it's it's it's something for people to think about because. Yeah. In today's world, I sometimes go, how much do I actually stand for? You know, like, what do I actually stand for?

Because it's, that's it. Once again, it's going to put you in some very uncomfortable situations because, as we all know right now, everything is getting brushed and attacked. Whether you are paying attention to it or not, like things that, you know, free speech. Like Bill C-11. The fact that YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, everyone can just pull down things that you've worked hard on and just gone. And there's no repercussion. Like, where's the repercussion? How do you even go about that?

this this you know free of bodily autonomy and every freedom of choice and all this you know like now to get out of the country you can kind of do that but to get back in it's like they make it really difficult really difficult and at what point is the group of people going to agree that this is where we stand and get this out of the way but yeah yeah and hey we stand in freedom I'm standing for freedom right now I stand and I'm I'm that's what that's right that's present right now but I would say integrity is a big one for me too. And yeah, and I just right now, I'm like, I can't care about what others are thinking about me. Sorry. And it's not because I don't love. I love, I love everything and love people. But if you're going to spew hate at me because I'm speaking out for you and all of us,

that's your problem. That's, that's your trauma. That's your story. It's not mine. I'm going to keep going anyway. Well, I appreciate you hopping on and doing this with me. It was very nice to meet you. and uh more for me no no it's that that's i changes i never explained it anymore so it used to be the final five uh questions so we'd have five questions now it's the final five minutes it's just a minute segment because i started having reoccurring guess and i was like what am i going to do here like i like some of the questions aren't even you know but uh you know like sure i'll give you couple more if you'd like one of them. No, no, but one of the ones that I haven't asked in a long, lots time, and I used to do it to build my list was what book has really impacted you? Do you read,

I guess, is the first thing. And if you don't read, then it's okay, then what documentary has really changed the way you look at that? You know what? That's a good question. I'm not a huge reader, but I've read the four agreements. The four agreements? The four agreements. And there's actually a fifth one now too. It's last name is Riuiz. R U I Z. And oh, I'm blanking on his first name, but some of your listeners will know.

But the four agreements, honest to goodness. And the fifth one is really, when you look up the four agreements, they're all really great. I'm being put on the spot here right now. But it's like not taking things personally, not making assumptions. Don Miguel.

Riaz. Don't always do your best. And I'm forgetting one of them. Be impeccable with your word. Don't take anything personally. Don't make assumptions. Always do your best. Yeah.

And the fifth one is actually basically about asking questions, like not just believing everything and always being skeptical and asking questions. And I love that. But that book I read years ago, years ago. And I thought, well, shoot. You know how you just mentioned when you say, what's your line? what do you stand for? And like, do you really stand for that?

So when I was reading this book, I was going, don't make assumptions. Well, shoot, I'm doing that like every day. Like, and he says when you do these things, when you live, when you're not impeccable with your word. And that means like when you speak, birds are powerful. So if you constantly are walking around going, I am tired. And I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, and it's all like down playing yourself.

And so one of the most impactful books on me is Jordan Peterson, his 12 Rules to Life. and one of them is about be precise in your speech. Yes. And it's not people would go, oh, you're being arrogant, you're being cocky. No, be your own best friend and speak highly of yourself. It's funny. I was playing ladder golf with my six-year-old son yesterday.

And of course, doctor the rules like any dad does. So he has a better chance. I got to throw from, anyways, he needed to hit a bar just to keep the game going. And the first said he was so excited. he says, I can't do it. And I said, be careful. You can do it. Remind yourself that, right? Because even at a young age, you need to be precise in what you say because teaching yourself that you can't do things, which is probably the worst word out there in the English dictionary, can't never. Those type of words are very limiting. And I agree with the be precise in your speech mantra.

And when you're not, when you make assumptions, when you take things, personally all that like you're living he says you're living in mental health and if you actually think about it you are because i know how many times as a woman you know i'm super sensitive to things so i'll take things personally or i'll make assumptions like somebody didn't write me back right away and you sit there and think of your day after that you're just constantly stressed and oh my gosh it's my fault what did i do and why aren't they responding to me and oh i must be not good enough i must not be worthy i must not be this like you it's he says you're living in hell so that book really impacted me because it made me realize, Jamie, you're a coach and you've lived this.

You've had great success in your life following these principles. But now in your like day-to-day thing, like it reminded me like you got to walk the talk. You got to be that. So it was a really profound book for me and it was all things that I knew. But I just, I think after skating, I don't know, I just kind of fell backwards a bit. So it was a really good reminder. Back in the day, I read the inner athlete that really helped. helped propel me, I believe, in my sporting career.

Any Joe dispends a book, the big fan of Joe. How about this? You're an Alberta girl who went on to, obviously, when Olympic gold. What was your favorite or most memorable rink you skated in? In Alberta? No. Anywhere. I don't know. I just bring up the year. Maybe there was some little tiny rink in Alberta or maybe it is the Olympics. I have no idea. You've literally skated around the world, right? Yeah, I think the most incredible experience I had in like it was like I could feel it was like

electrical was Vancouver worlds in 2001. Wow, that was really powerful. And it literally felt like the audience was like surrounding us like the whole skate. Like they were all. all around us, just like giving us like the energy that we needed and the positive vibes. It was just such an incredible feeling in that building that night. Of course, Salt Lake was amazing too. But there's probably two, Vancouver and Kitchener. Kitchener was the Grand Prix final before the Olympics. And we had one of those skates where I couldn't, I just couldn't do anything wrong.

Like it was one of those nights where we had 6.0s that night in in Love Story program. And it was like we looked at each other at the end. We're like, well, that was easy. But it was just so fun. Yet at the Olympics, it was fun when I was done. But I had that collision on warm up too. So I was very distracted and like hurting. So it wasn't the same experience.

I felt like I was a little bit more of a robot at the Olympics. And I was trusting in my visualization, trusting in that, you know, my training got me to where I need to be. Even if I had a collision, I'm totally fine. but I literally went on autopilot. So there's only like those two skates, Kitchener and Vancouver and Canada where I felt like just electrifying. It was so amazing. So yeah. How about if there was one person you could, you know, I get to sit down with people three to four times a week.

I get to like really go into some things, see how different people's brains work, talk about what's going on. I love getting into where you're pulling some knowledge out of the other person. If you could sit down and do the same thing with anyone that's alive currently, who would you take? Oh, wow. See, you're pulling me back to about 100 episodes ago. I had some doozies. And this one to me led to some I could get, some you can never, you know, I want to

to talk to Donald Trump. Well, have fun with that one. I'm going to pretty much shoot the moon to get that one. But some others, you know, literally led to really cool conversations because some of them are abstract. Some of them are big names that, you know, you may never get close to. You know, somebody that I really appreciate right now is Robert Kennedy Jr. And I know that there's people that are listening that are going to go, oh, he's an anti-vaxxer. Well, he's not an anti-vaxxer, actually. But if you listen to Robert, like, wealth and all. knowledge. Well, of knowledge.

So, you know, Theo and I are now going to be, and I'll share this with you, and I'm sure that you've kind of heard rumors through Ryan and stuff. But, you know, we're working on creating a North American news network of truth. And Theo is actually flying down with the team here soon to meet with, I'll just say, a very influential group. And I believe that he's one of them that I just mentioned. And because we are wanting to create this truth or news network here. in Canada and they want it to be in the U.S., I believe, too, but it's going to be pretty incredible.

And, you know, there are a lot of people with integrity that we're willing to lose it all to speak out and help humanity. And that's what I admire the most about Robert is that through his whole life, you know, he's just trying to expose the poisons that they've been trying to poison us with and how they've been doing it. And he just gets annihilated after him. Like, it's just constant. But he doesn't stop.

And he's winning. He's winning this. So, you know, that's somebody I think I would love to enter it. Because he's experienced this for a long time. I mean, he's got that waterkeeper organization speaks out about that and how to, you know, make our water clean. And of course, he's been vaccine. So he speaks about that, speaks about these vaccines, everything.

But yeah, if people aren't listening to Rob, you know, his podcast. They're unreal. And he backs data. It's not just my opinion. You know, like, even for me, people, everyone listening, it's not like I'm not a person that's presenting necessarily specific data all the time. I retweet David Dixon and stuff like that. But like I, you know, a lot of this is also my opinion and how I feel. It's my perspective through my lenses. But when you're listening to these guys, like, You can't argue what they're saying. They have all the data. They have it.

And then the people that argue. It's funny, though. I go, okay, but. Sometimes the data doesn't matter anymore, you know? I just saw a tweet or, I forget what that was this past week. It was talking about. It's like it doesn't matter what's revealed in the document dumps from Pfizer. Nobody cares anymore.

It doesn't matter how horrendous it is. And it's like, yeah, that's pretty much bang on. Right. Like nobody, the general population no longer cares what comes out in anything because it's just like, oh, whatever. It was bad.

So let's just move on, right? And you're like, uh, not sure that's how this works. Like that's, again, it's just like it's nothing. It's not a big deal.

Like actually know everybody. If you knew what their intention was behind this, you might actually start wanting to step up with us and fight, fight them against this. But, yeah, no, I don't like that. I mean, I don't want to dwell on it.

We all have to move on, but it's like, well, okay, now what can I do about this? That's more of the question. I want people asking questions. What can we do? Like, now that it's in us, right? Yeah, I hear you. Well, I appreciate you coming on and doing this. It's been really nice meeting you.

I hope, as I say to everybody, especially with you being in Alberta, at some point, our paths will cross and we'll get to shake hands and actually meet in person because it's always better in person than through a screen. I agree, Sean. And you know what? We're going to be doing a lot coming up with Theo and Ryan and the team and everything. So whenever I am around, I will let you know. And thanks for having me on. This was great. Great conversation. I love it.