Shaun Newman Podcast - #303 - Kid Carson

Episode Date: August 17, 2022

Former morning show host at Z95 in Vancouver discusses losing his job after he voiced his views on air of the Canadian Convoy. Kid also talks about how he was never told what he could or couldn't say until COVID.  November 5th SNP Presents: QDM & 2's. Get your tickets here: snp.ticketleap.com/snp-presents-qdm--222-minutes/ Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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Kiss 92 in Toronto, and Z-95 in Vancouver. He was removed for his views on the Canadian convoy. I'm talking about Kid Carson. So buckle up. Here we go. What's up? It's Kid Carson. What do I say again? Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. That's it.

Hey, what's up? It's Kid Carson. Welcome to Sean Newman. Okay, good. A good old liner. A good old station ID. You'd think I'd be a pro. I'm always the one asking people to do them.

What's up, guys? It's Kid Carson. And you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Yes. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Kid Carson. So first off, sir, thanks for giving me some of your time. Dude, my pleasure.

Nice to meet you. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I've been doing this podcast now. I think it's three years now. a little over three years. And over the course of like six months, your name has come up a lot. People have been like,

you got to get kid on, you got to get kid on. I mean, obviously a lot of people know about you getting removed from being on the radio and that type of thing. And that's really pushed your, I don't know, I don't know.

It's stock up, stock down. In this world, your stock's going through the roof, big fella. So, but in mainstream, in mainstream,

my stock is at rock bottom. Yeah, I believe you're a conspiracy theorist. and your unsubstantiated claims and a lot of wording like that. Just a crazy person. That's right. For a lot of people, Kid, they probably have no idea who you are. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

I always start with, well, let's just, who is, kid? And that way people can get a feel for who the big guy is. Oh, boy. Well, let's see. Let's see. I guess the career side of me is a guy who never really thought he would make big in radio, but it was always my dream. And ended up climbing the ranks pretty quickly and hosted my own morning show, which is sort of like the pinnacle in radio world of what you want to do.

I was never interested in being on TV or anything like that. I just wanted to talk on the radio. And I built an incredible career based on being curious. For many years, I just love to talk about, you know, human psychology and relationships and all. I was just very curious. And I also got very comfortable with sort of spilling my own personal things. I was single for for a lot of my career and so I'd be talking about you know bad first dates and in all the things and uh had a really great career I'm being uh I'm being curious and then um recently uh it became not not cool to be curious about certain things you know so I was I was getting a little curious about the state of the world and oh why are why are we doing this?

And long story short, I was fired from the radio for speaking out against some of the crazy things happening in the world. And it's really been quite a ride because I'd never had anyone tell me what I couldn't, couldn't say on the radio before until this. And to the point where I think the first time I noticed it, I was just basically, I was sort of complaining that I was invited to a charity softball game. And I found out last minute that we had to wear masks. And this is in the heat of summer. And I just, I thought, oh, so I'm on my show in the morning saying, oh, I don't want to wear a mask in the, in the blazing heat to do sports. Like, oh, I wish I'd known.

Maybe I wouldn't have signed up to do this. But, you know, we got to do what we got to do to keep each other safe, you know. And I got reined out for that. And I thought, well, hold on a second. That's weird. We're not supposed to, like, love the masks. like me just saying I don't like a mask it should be like that should be normal

the normal opinion should be oh we gotta wear these damn things but I wasn't even allowed to express a dislike for the mask even though I was had the add on you know that well we gotta do what we gotta do and that's when I realized wow this something's really weird here like this is really strange there are now lines in the sand of things we can say and can't say without being called dangerous and so that has led me, well, out the door in mainstream radio and off doing my own podcast now.

And I've built like a community now. I have an app that's like my own little social media platform where we can just be as curious as we want, Sean. Well, I'm glad to use the curious word because it's led me, you know, I have the opposite story of a lot of people. I wasn't in radio. I was in the oil field. and I had this little podcast that I started in 2019, and I just, I'm,

I've rephrased it, uh, to be endlessly curious. That's, that's what I am. I'm just, I just want to ask questions. I just want to listen to some people.

And from there, you take whatever you want. And I'll take for whatever I want. I got a really smart audience. I tell them that all the time. I don't want to pump their heads too much. But they ask really smart questions. They,

they reach out and find people such as yourself to bring to me. And I'm like, sure, I'll talk to them. Let's, let's see where the conversation goes, right? And you're absolutely right.

that it hit a point, you know, for many people, it might have been two years ago, but for me, it was a year ago as we led into the fall where I started bringing people on and shit started going sideways. And I'm like, this is interesting because, you know, up until that point, everybody loved what you're doing. Love, love, love, love, love. You get to do whatever you want. I mean, don't get me wrong.

And sure, I had a couple people on that ruffled some feathers. But overall, people are enjoying what's going on. And then you started people have have people come on that said, you know, I'll give Eric Payne a bit of a plug here, a doctor, a pediatrician here in Calgary. He came on and said, I don't think you should vaccinate kids. And holy dynamo did some people love that. Some people hate that. You just saw the world explode. And I didn't, I'm the opposite in that it actually helped because, you know, like I at the time wasn't full-time podcasting.

I certainly am now, which is really, really interesting. Um, whereas on your side by, you know, you talk about it. A good radio host in the morning, you want them to make, you want to tune in. You don't get that by being plain Jane. You get that by being Kidd Carson. And I can already, like, when you're talking about things, I'm like, there's a couple morning show hosts that I liked growing up. And I feel like all of them are out of a job now for the exact reason you said.

Because your entire career, you get paid to be curious. and like kind of spur on a little bit of fun in the morning and some thoughts that are like, huh. And that's all gone. Like it's all gone from major. They don't want that anymore. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so why? I don't know. I mean, radio started dying a slow, horrible death several years ago, where, you know, there's only a couple of companies that own all the radio stations. And they have one guy in Toronto who programs them all. And now you've got the same radio hosts and they just replay the shows and all the different cities, you just don't land in a city anymore and turn on the local radio station and get a flavor for that city. That kind of died

years ago. That's sad, isn't it? It's so sad. And it's, you think that now radio would just go balls to the wall because you're competing with, you know, we're all competing for attention. Like when podcast started to explode, I'm like, why would you tune in to a radio station where the host is just reading the same, hey, make sure you tune in Thursday morning to win $500. It's like, I'll give you a different perspective too, kid, in my area, they basically, and don't get me wrong, this isn't all the radio stations, but a lot of them started pulling, like having people at the high times in, let's say, I'm just going to pick on Lloyd, Wainwright, Verme. All these different spots. And the Vermillion doesn't have a radio station at the top of my brain. But anyways, all these small rural communities and started running the Calgary show. So now you don't even have the flavor of your area.

It's all centralized into one of the bigger centers. Now, don't get me wrong. The talent is great. I think there's probably something to be said about that. But at the same time, it all starts to suck up into one voice from one part of the province. So now when you have COVID happened, now you're literally getting Calgary speaking for a whole chunk of the rural part of the country where I come from, right? Which is really interesting.

Anyway, sorry to cut you off, but it's an interesting thing with radio because you think if you had Kid Carson fly into wherever. Lloyd Minster, I'll put Lloyd on the map because we once upon a time had a guy. I know the money isn't huge in a small. It can only be so big as the center, I assume. But at the same time, if you're good, people want to tune into that. Like, I want to tune into that. When you had a good morning show, the first thing you're doing.

and is flicking it on because you're like, I wonder what he's going to do today. Yeah. Well, that's just it. You know, and it's just become sort of vanilla everywhere you go. And it makes me really sad because I'm such a radio nerd. I grew up wanting to talk on the radio. I talked into the end of my pencil. I used to record myself on, do you remember cassette tapes?

Yes. I am old enough to remember that. I barely remember them. But, you know, yeah, I'm just such a radio nerd. I have a collection of radio station bumper stickers and, you know, so it really, it breaks my heart to see it slowly die like that. And the magic of radio, I mean, let's be honest, the technology has been outdated for so long. But the magic of radio is that you just know you're listening to, like, everyone's listening together at the same time in unison when you're in traffic. You just imagine your neighbors or your boss or everyone's listening at the same time.

And it really does create the sort of collective consciousness. And that's what I loved about it. I love the fact that you could show up at the office and there'd be a couple co-workers in the kitchen or whatever. And oh, did you hear that this morning? Oh my God. I heard that too. Or to be in the car and look over and see someone laughing at the same time as you.

And it's just it brings people together. So, I mean, podcasting is great. The technology is awesome. I'm really getting into podcasting now. But, you know, it's not exactly the same as, you know, when it's on demand, you're all listening. It's all different times. it's like back in the old days when people would watch like that TV show at 8 o'clock on Thursdays everyone watched friends or whatever it was there's just something magical about being you know you don't feel so isolated you feel like you're you're with your city or your people or your fellow fans of something or whatever it is so I think that's what kept a radio going for I mean God that's that's a hundred year run of that technology and it's still hanging in there but I think that people are now finally going you know what

there's just nothing there for me anymore. And maybe you don't make a comeback. Who knows? But for now, it's, yeah, it's, it's sad because I'm such a hardcore radio lover. I got to know, were you a friends guy or Seinfeld guy? Oh, Seinfeld for sure. All right, just so we're on the same page here, okay? You bring up friends, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is he going to say Seinfeld, though, because I feel like, anyways, I'm, I should have said, Cosby Show. Yeah, you know, I'm trying to think of what I watched when I was a kid. Dukes of Hazard. I don't know. But yeah. Well, then here, here's a question for you. I'm always curious with people that gave up what they loved in order to, you know, like, things got really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really strange. But I saw people, I honestly, kid, I don't, I don't know how old you are, but you're not an old guy. And I mean that, I mean, you're not 20, but I'm highly suspecting you're not like 58.

So not that 58's old. 40-ish. 40-ish. 40-ish. You know, give or take a couple of years, maybe. You know, I've talked to cops in the throw of it, like in their 40s, standing up. Doctors, standing up, losing everything. You know, radio personality, you know, Vancouver is one of the crown jewels of morning radio in our country, I would argue.

I think that would be fair enough to say. What drives you to that point of like, okay, I've got to, I've got to. Because you know exactly what's coming if you go there. It's not like if I step, you already talked about getting reamed out for talking about mass. So you know if you step here, that's a landmine and it's going to be over. And that's something you obviously love, you know, podcasting is giving you a great avenue. but I've never known a career in radio. I always wanted one.

I always got steered away from it. I found podcasting. I've always loved it. It's always been this medium for me, and it's been a ton of fun. But for a guy like you, you know the other side. You talk about growing up from a young kid

wanting to do that. Leave me through the mindset of, there's no other alternative of this is where I have to go. Hmm. Well, you start to feel like you're on the wrong side of history. And, you know, I've been following all this madness

for even since the madness began. You know, I've always been very curious about, you know, when other people were watching TMZ to see what celebrity, you know, fell off stage last night. I was watching, like, you know, or digging into my conspiracy stuff. And that word used to be a real, like, ooh, faux paw word to say. But now it's sort of like, it almost equates to, you know, you're just ahead of the, what's that joke? what's the difference between, you know, conspiracy theory and truth?

It's like six months at this point. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I woke up at 9-11 and started to realize that the world wasn't what I thought it was. And, you know, that was sort of my, like, fun, but it was more of a juicy fun, you know. That was my, like I said, it was my, my, what's the word, you know, that people talk about their, I'm losing the word, but my guilty pleasure. that's what I'm looking for. I was going to say it, but I was curious if that's what you were thinking. Anyways, guilty pleasure.

That's a great word, yeah. There's nothing more fun than going out for a pint with a couple of buddies and shooting around a couple theories and it's just, it's fun. But, and I used to talk about those on my radio show quite often with a twinkle in my eye. Because I love to play up the, hey, hey, listen, I'm just one crazy radio guy. What do I know? but I'd spit out some stuff. And the wilder, the better. And the audience would always eat it up and they loved it.

And if they didn't love it, they'd, you know, roll their eyes and laugh at me in a fun way. Like, oh, that's part of kid. That's the crazy part of kid. And always my bosses, my managers, my program directors, my GMs at every station I worked at, totally embraced that. They always loved it. They knew that was just a part of when you get me, you get that's a piece of me that you get.

and it's a mixed bag of all sorts of different things. And so I was pretty awake when all this stuff started happening. And then I would, you know, talk about the digital ID. Like my job is to connect with people and relate to them in a way that it's meaningful in their life. So here we are. We're dealing with this, you know, QR code thing. Some of us have it. Some of us don't.

but it's a thing we are all living through together. And so I'm thinking this is a great thing to talk about. And I at one point discussed the idea that maybe these QR codes could be more than meets the eye. Maybe it's not this digital ID just isn't about a convenient way to carry your pass around. You know, it could be tied to your bank account. It could be tied to other things in the future. And I'm thinking this is some great old, great old, great conspiracy talk, you know, even though I knew this type of thing was happening in China.

and whatnot. And then it was like I was shut down so hard on that and got in a lot of trouble. Like big Zoom meeting with the bosses in Toronto. I thought that was, I thought I was being fired then. And I had to make a promise that I would stop talking about this stuff. Stop posting about it on Instagram. Because I would get calls at home for my boss at night saying, you know, you better take that down before the big boss in Toronto sees it, you know? and like I was always being made to feel like I'm crazy and you better be scared and you better not. So I had to put my tail between my legs and promise not to say anything. Now if you're a creative person, there is nothing that chokes you more than being told that you can't say or can't do something.

Like if you're an artist and you're just told you cannot paint with the color blue, like your creative flow like turns off. And that's what happened to me. I just felt so depleted, so, ugh, you just, it sucked to be blunt. And at that point, you're seeing what's happening in the world. I feel like I'm choked because I can't talk about it. And then people are DMing me on Instagram and saying, kid, how come you're not talking about this stuff anymore? Like what's going on?

my audience, if you're awake, you knew that I was awake. When we talked about the pandemic, I would slip in the word planemic instead of pandemic, just so that if you knew, you'd hear it and go, ah, I heard what you did there, kid. I started to feel like a phony, basically, because a lot of my audience knew that I was awake, knew that I knew what was going on. And a couple big stories happened, and I wouldn't even touch it because I'd made this promise behind closed doors that I wouldn't talk about stuff anymore. And then, you know, that you can imagine how that weighs on you and you start to feel like, oh, I'm, I'm a phony. I'm on the wrong side of history. You know, we've just come off a really great five-year run of the big conversation being all about

inclusivity and, you know, God, doesn't matter what your gender is or what your race is. It's all about love. It was all about, you know, supporting small business. Mental health, small businesses, supporting all these things and then this wave of stuff comes down that divides us even more. We're ostracizing a portion of the community, literally saying you can't come in our restaurant. The division was so hardcore. And I'm going, what just happened? What happened to all that lovey, lovey like we're all in this together? Small businesses are literally getting shut down, being bankrupted. I'm watching all this and I'm thinking, is no one else going to say something? Like, this is just this is outrageous.

So I know I'm rambling here. No, no, no. You're doing. I listen to you. This is the radio guy in you. You're not rambling. You're painting a very, very good picture for me and the listener on, on the journey through it. This is the greatest thing about podcasting is no time frame, right?

So I'll cut you off if I think you're rambling. You're doing great. I love the, I love the full-bodied picture of what you were going through to be really clear. So carry on. Okay, great. So then my co-host, it was actually one of my oldest friends from high school. His name is Jordan. He just couldn't take it anymore.

So he leaves. And he's like having mental health issues. Don't get into because, you know, his own private stuff. But so now I'm doing the show alone with no notice. and him and I at least when the songs were playing, we could riff about what was happening in the world. And so I'd have an outlet. As you know, when you work in radio,

it sounds like you're the life of the party, but really you're sitting in a room by yourself talking to yourself. It's actually a little bit crazy what we do for a living. So once he was gone and my producer is like hook, line, and sinker into the narrative, I feel now extremely alone, isolated. my bosses think I'm crazy. I've been told to shut up. I had to promise because I've got kids at home. I'm the breadward winner of the family. Now my best friend slash co-host has like screwed off. And I'm just there in a room by myself. And then Ottawa hits. And I'm like, oh my God.

And I'm not, I promised I won't even bring anything. I won't even talk about masks. And the truckers are headed to Ottawa. And you can imagine. I mean, how emotional was that time. watching those slow motion videos that people were putting out with the flag waving and people jump on the overpass and you know we will not comply like those songs that played that were became like anthems for freedom and and I'm misty-eyed every night I'm watching these videos going oh my god and and I feel my heart swelling and I'm so proud of little nice spoilt rotten Canadians we've never really had to fight for anything well we have, but we don't talk about it's not part of our culture like it is in the U.S.

So, and we're like standing up. Things are happening. And I can't even talk about it. And so I think that was the boiling point for me. I mean, I felt like something major was happening. And I'm my, my God, I'm not alone. Like, it's, it's now millions of people. So that's when I just had to open my big mouth, Sean.

And that morning, I just. And I think I'm sure some of your audience has heard it. It's on my, everybody's heard it. Everybody's heard it. It was great. It was great. I don't think it was word mumble,

what you're talking about in that segment. You're like, yep, yeah, where's the mic drop? All right, walk out. It's done. I got to drive in, I got to ride in that combo,

when Ota Ottawa. And one of the things that was, I called it a mind fuck back. one of the hardest things to understand. And it's good to hear your side of it, how they just were like, you can't talk about it, which is wild.

I thought the most wild thing on the road was. It is like minus 40 outside. We're supposed to be driving. The one day was supposed to be eight hours of driving, okay? It took 17, minus 30 to minus 40. And people were waiting because they had a timeline.

We're supposed to be at this one place for four o'clock. We don't show up until eight. You can imagine standing on the side for like five hours. waiting for this and people were. And I'm like, where is it the CBC to record maybe the most Canadian thing I've ever seen in my entire life? All these wonderful people, not just one, you know, they try and paint it into one race, one ethnicity, one group of people, blah, blah, blah, blah.

There was men, women, children of all colors, all diversities, all walks of life, all out in what is probably the most Canadian thing I've ever seen. They all had fires on the highway, which I'm pretty sure is illegal, but what have you. and just like full-on scadoo suits, just waving you on. Like it was unbelievable. And I know my audience loves that word because I say it all the time, but it truly was unfreeking believable. It was a pilgrimage to Ottawa is what it was.

Yeah. It was so special. And what was bizarre is that the mainstream media like CBC and, you know, global and CTV and everyone else, you're acting as if like we don't have. Instagram. Like it was, I could not believe it because we're all watching and there's some, there were some amazing streamers, this live the whole time there on the journey in Ottawa, like the most raw, unedited, like no filter news, like actual real news. And there were some

people that I interviewed that were, I'm like, you should be an actual journalist. You are very talented at doing this because they would just tell you, here's what's going on. And then you put on the news and you realize that it's a completely different story. It's a hostile takeover by some racists that want to go in top of the government and I just could not believe it. To use your word is unbelievable. And so and that's when I'm still on the air and I'm going, wow, something is really wrong. Actually the first time I saw the the difference the difference between like the Instagram real news and uh can't believe I'm saying Instagram I'm getting, you know, his news, but from CBC.

For those days, it was. It truly was. It really was. I went to, I hadn't been to a rally yet. And I wanted to go to this rally that was happening at the Vancouver Hospital on 12th in the Camby area, if you're from Vancouver. And so I don't want my kids to see this. I want my boys to see what's going on. And we go there.

I'm obviously a little nervous because I'm still on the radio and, you know, I'm worried about being seen because I was still scared because I knew that if I was seen there and it gets back to it ended up getting back to someone. But long story short, I'm there. It was my first time being in the physical presence with other people who were like awake. And I cried. I was just so overtaken with emotion. I stood there on the side of the road and watched the parade. I didn't march in it, but I stood there watching everyone go by. And I was just like with my fist over my head like this and just, it was a beautiful moment. And then I met a lot of great people who were like, oh, you know, it just felt great. Anyways, long story short, I get home that night. I'm like, I can't believe how beautiful that was. And then on the news, it said that.

there was this awful, these awful people were blocking ambulances from coming and going from the hospital, tormenting and harassing nurses. It was this totally different story. And I thought, oh my God, this news channel got us so wrong. What's going on? Go to the next channel. They have the same story. I'm going, wait a second. I get that one news channel can get a story wrong. Maybe you're in one area where something happened and that's what you report. Then it was like on the, the biggest blog in Vancouver where everyone kind of gets the news from. They had the same story. And I'm going, okay, now this is not like a mistake.

This is a coordinated misinformation. I know they're so trendy these words, fake news story. And it really freaked me out because I was there. Like, I was there. There was no one blocking ambulances. There was, I mean, there was a heavy police presence, but cops did an amazing job of making sure. year. Everything was just smooth. And it's like, you think the cops would even allow people

protesters to block ambulances? Like, give the Vancouver Police Department some credit. You know, long story short, that was the first time I realized that, wow, there's there's a coordinate. And I still don't know how it works. I don't know who tells all these apparently competing news outlets all vying for your attention. I'm not sure how they distribute a fake story like that. But I went, wow, this is like, this is crazy. This is crazy. I did not realize, Canada, it was like this. And this is before the, the, the, the convoy. So I already hit in my head like, oh my God, we're being lied to. And if you're not watching it on Instagram, if you just watch the regular news, you are actually like being completely brainwashed.

And then, so then I saw that happening in, in Ottawa, I was like, oh my God. Anyways, I think I'm on the verge of rambling. I'll stop and take a breath. Not on the verge of rambling. I, uh, forget the question. well the thing the thing uh the thing about uh seeing and witnessing firsthand is you can't unforgettable that like you just can't you're in denial if you forget what you've seen right so you got to experience there that's what i experienced in all right there you flick on the cbc you'll only do it once because i just want to see i should never done it because as soon as i did i'm like oh man i'm never going to forget this ever again am i like because they were just talking about

something else i ran into one news outlet but i don't know who they were just this day, I don't know who they were. They had all their emblems taken off. And they were pointed away from the protest talking. And I was like, who, like, everybody's singing and dancing over there. I got to feed, I've never fed the homeless in my life. Don't come, you know, don't, don't get me wrong. I don't want to say there's no homeless in Lloyd. There certainly is, but compared to the problems maybe that Vancouver have, it's completely different. In Ottawa, I got to feed the homeless. They were doing it every night. It was, it was beautiful. I just, can't even explain it.

But you mentioned a motion. I'd written down a motion. You know that you cried. And one of the things that was really cool to see when I went out to my first protest, I'd never been to a protest in my life. I just didn't see the point of it. I think I said that on this podcast multiple times. I just don't see what it's doing until you've actually gone to one and felt that,

oh, there's other people that just think by like me. And that is, you know, after two years being, you know, you talked about it earlier, about being, you know, basically chastised for your thoughts and how you think. Like, you can't think that way. That's wrong. That's wrong thing. You know, it's like, oh, okay. And then you go see people that are like, no, no, man, you're on the, you're on the button

and we don't think that and whatever else. And you're kind of, you talk about being creative and being allowed to just be like, whoa, that feeling right there is where all the emotion comes. I don't think there's any shame in that. I think every listener on here has probably had that moment at some point down the line where they just, they can't keep their remote. emotions to check. And that's what we've done for two solid years is just try to like, hold it together. You're fine. You got to, you got to bite your tongue. You got to move on.

We're all in this together, whatever. And, you know, and the personal attacks and everything else. And then you get to a moment where you get to feel like actually welcome back in. And that's, that's a great feeling. Hmm. I've been saying that I've been using the phrase, passionate times. We've been living through passionate times. And it's a roller coaster. You're, you know, you're high on life for a week and then you're having a couple days where it's it's really low and really isolating yeah and it's never underestimate that the power of reaching out to someone on Instagram who is questioning things or you know I

mean I that saved me so many days where I was feeling so shitty and then someone sends me nice DM I'm like you know what thank you so much for feeling that way and thank you so much for then taking 30 seconds to let me know you felt that way. Because as you probably know from, you know, speaking out, there is a lot of, there is a lot of crap that comes your way. And some days it can get to you. Like I said, passionate times. Yeah, I would agree 100% with that thought.

If you think somebody gets messages all the time, I got to assume even the people, you know, like Jordan Peterson, you know, who gets, I'm sure. just unbelievable amount of emails, messages, etc. It's still nice to open it up and have a heartfelt message saying, or even just to say like, whatever, because I've had some pretty low days and those messages always bring it up. I listen to you talk with the lady and I'm forgetting her name right now. And you guys were talking about it. It doesn't matter how many compliments you get.

It only takes one personal attack and you're just down in the gutter. And one of the things that happened over the last year is, a lot of personal attacks. And for some reason, and you guys talk about this, the psychology of it, I'm like, why is it?

I can't get by the one personal attack. There's one of them. And yet I sit and hold on to it. And you're right. You have those down days and a nice message or, or even, you know, I had a couple of different moms out there,

the old mama bears. They certainly have shown their teeth and claws in a good way. Uh, over the last little bit. And I had a few of them message me through some of the worst of it just saying, you know, we wait every Monday for the show to drop so that I can just have a bit of sanity in my life. And hearing those words, I'm like, holy crap, that's a, I didn't realize I was doing that for anyone, you know? Like, I was doing this for my sanity, talking to somebody. I'm like, okay, I can, okay, all right.

Now you can proceed on what's your day. Yeah. And I think I want to go back to what you said just a moment ago. because I think that it's important thing to mention quickly is that like a reminder that the human brain is wired for connection because you know back in the day if we weren't in a tribe or connected with people it was our survival at stake we would just be honored we had to live in villages take care of each other else we would be eaten by a tiger so our brains are just wired to to look for the negative and that's just a survival technique so

So you get 100 nice messages and you get that one person who just comes for your soul. That's the one you're right. It's a soul killer. Your brain is going to cling to that and it might take you a few hours or maybe even a couple days to like shake that one off. But if you remind yourself that, okay, this is just my brain doing what my brain does best. It's trying to make sure that you know you had to look out for the danger. You had to look out for it.

And when you are ostracized, when you are. are rejected, this is why it's so hard to get over breakups. When you're rejected, your brain registers it as if it's physical pain. I'm not like a genius or anything, but I remember I read this article in this book somewhere and it talked about how it's the same region of the brain that lights up or whatever it does. I don't know if it actually lights up, but it processes rejection in the same part of the brain that processes physical pain, like touching a fire. So, and that is because, again, it's survival. It's, we need to, it hurts.

It actually physically hurts to have to be dumped, you know, to be broken up with. Or to have someone send you a message that makes you feel like you're the worst piece of garbage ever. So that's happening to you or you're out there speaking truth and someone just comes for you. You have to just sort of remind yourself of that. And at least for me, it helps me to go, okay, that's just my brain. My brain doing its thing. And that woman I was talking to, her name is Sarah Swain. She's great.

Yeah, Sarah Swain. That's right. Yeah. One of her things that she does is she would take the nice comments that she gets and she would keep them in a full screenshot and keep it in the folder. And then when she's having one of these bad days, she'll just open the folder and read some of the messages just to remind her. And that would kind of kick her out of it faster when she'd get a bad message.

Because yeah, there are certain people like us that are putting ourselves out there a little more with our opinion. So we're more vulnerable to getting people who are just, you know, living through passionate times and they want to direct their anger at someone. And guess what? It's Sean Newman who's getting it. Well, you know, I, uh, one of the things I like to bring up was a study done on rats, um, talking about this rats are social creatures. They have a lot of things that are similar to humans. And I'm not saying we're a bunch of rats, but you get the idea that general study. It was talking about cocaine. you want to get a rat addicted to cocaine, you leave them in solitary confinement.

If there's cocaine and there's multiple rats, they don't do anything with cocaine. As soon as they're alone by themselves, they lean into drug addiction, right? And you go, you go, you know, like, I don't have to be a rocket scientist. I dealt with my own problems over the last two years that at times hit me like a ton of bricks and I would have never ever thought that possible. Honestly, I mean, you know, former hockey player, you know, we, athletic, you know, maybe not so much anymore, but regardless, you know, like I just was always put in a team around people, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was, you know, I'm an outgoing person. I love being around people. And, uh, when I hit my deep end

of, uh, certain different times, it was because, you know, I was almost, isolated and you had to break out. I'm a guy from a rural part of the country, right? And so I felt what it did there. I can just imagine in some of the big centers where you're like, you can't go out. And I'm like, well, I just lean back to the study on rats and go, that is going to have unbelievable consequences in the future or now, right? Yeah, we're hardwired for connection. and you know some of us that are I mean I consider myself an extroverted introvert so that's a real thing that's a real thing Sean so you know like when I when I'm when I go out listen I go I can be the life of the party high energy have a great time but then when it's time for me to like shut down the engine yeah shut down the engine I could be alone in a room with a couple books for two weeks straight and be happier than a pig and shit. And when I don't get my alone time, I do get a little more, you know, low energy because I'm

like, oh, I need to just be alone. It's hard when you're a parent too with young kids and it's hard to find any alone time. But so people who are already maybe full introverts, that's just their personality. You imagine then being further isolated. I just lost my point a little bit there. Well, you're talking about it. Because it seems like you would be, you would do a better job if you're already an introvert. But I think that, sorry, I lost my train of thought there.

Well, I, the thought that introverts would thrive without having to see people because they don't want to see people, you're still going to lean back into even introverts need. some human connection, right? Like, we all need to go out and see people smiling. And, uh, you know,

like I, one of the things that really, uh, was healthy for myself in particular was, I got to coach my son's youth seven hockey and like to see a group of kindergarten and grade one kids falling all over the ice and having a grand old time. I'm like the entire population should come do this because that lifts you up. Now,

I'm a full blown these things, especially, if it was in person. I tell you what, I'm pretty much done with the screen kid, except for it allows me to talk to people such as yourself, and I enjoy that. But being in the presence of people and having fun conversations like this, I go to the moon and back after that. And I'm just like, it's just like it charges the batteries and away I go. So one of the big things was at the start, I'm not allowed to do it in person anymore. You're like, oh, how am I going to get around to this, right? That was tough. But the theory that introverts,

thrived. I bet they thrive. I think a lot of people at the start, you know, the novelty of a lot of things was like, oh, this, you know, working from home or whatever was kind of enjoyable for a brief time. And then it got, this is getting ridiculous. Interverts have to have felt that. There's no way that I'm sure there's a portion of the population that's just, I'll work from home for the rest of the time. It does everything I wanted to do. I'm sure it does. But there has to be a social aspect at some point with other parts of their life. Does there not? I mean, you may, You may get a great point there, is that you, even if you're not the one that's loud and at the party, it's just to be around. Around it.

Sometimes. You just be around it. And maybe you're sitting back and you're just the one laughing at the jokes or you're just being, yeah, there is a certain tangible exchange of energy that we, you know, we feed off of each other. So, yeah, I mean, and I would say that now is the time because who knows what's going to happen in the fall. I don't want to be Debbie Downer. you know, hopefully everything's great, but you know, now is the time to make connections with people. Um, is maybe we didn't know any better before, you know, especially the, the, the introverts that maybe you weren't all about making connections. Um, now is the time to force yourself to make some

connections with people so that you have a bit of a tribe. If there is some other sort of situation where we're, you know, at home again for an extended period of time, I hope that doesn't happen. but I think it's a good thing to remind each other. Okay, I got to right now, it's still summertime. Let's go out there and do my best to either chat with some people and find out where they live online. There's some groups where people can talk and chat. Just so that you have a little bit of a little tribe, you know, so that you don't go through that isolation. Because God knows when you're just going to be alone in the room with a bag of cocaine.

Well, I was going to say. That was a reference to your rat story. I literally got off the stage last night with five of the candidates running to become the new premier of Alberta. And they all, one of them, they're all the front runners, the three front runners to become the next premier of Alberta. One of them is going to be premier, in my opinion. That's just a humble opinion. And I asked them about lockdowns, vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Anyways, they're all against locking it down now.

Can they say that and actually do that? Well, they're on record with a lot of people saying they're going to. So I'm quite hopeful where we sit in Alberta that whatever comes, the next Premier here for the short stint is going to have to stand their ground. I mean, geez, they ran off Premier Kenny because he kept flip-flopping back and forth and wouldn't stand for conservative values and everything else, right? He just wouldn't like he literally opens up the province fun day. And then like three days later,

he's like, oh, by the way, we're locking everything down. I was wrong. And we went, we did like a total 180 within like a blink of an eye. It was a wild,

wild time to have a leader just do a, and you're like, what, what, and then to go through the longest flipping winter, I think anyone's ever seen. Oh yeah, I got pulled into the back room and said,

excuse me. You think there, you're, You know, you say they don't have the power to do. They're just following. Even Trudeau is not. Someone's pulling him in a back room and saying this is how it's going to go. You know, Clow Schwab, you know, it's this, this is not, it's no coincidence that Close Schwab wrote that book, the Great Reset. They're ushering in a great reset. And all the minions all around the world, the world leaders who are part of WF are following orders to keep Daddy Schwab happy. I mean, I know it sounds conspiracy, but you'll get there. You'll get there. Well, here's the thing about certainly my listeners. I don't think like... Is this too far? Did I get too crazy too quick?

No, God, no. No. This is, you're completely fine. Actually, I had Susan Stanfield on. She's from your neck of the woods. Did the No More lockdowns protests and everything, right? Now she's out in, actually, I don't know if that's come out yet. It's coming out soon if it hasn't come out yet.

Listeners, I'm trying to do the math in my head. Anyways, my curiosity, would I, I'm wondering. And now that I'm really like paying attention to politics, you got all this stuff going on Canada-wide, right? With the total emissions for farmers

got to drop 30% right? Everybody, you know, all the farmers are going, well, then, you know, a ton of us here are going to go out of business. Food supply is going to drop. Like all these crazy,

you know, like common sense would dictate. I listened to Premier Moe, Scott Moe. This would be a couple days ago. And he basically said, yeah, we're not going to enforce that.

and you got Daniel Smith running on a campaign of and honestly what I heard from the other four candidates on the stage is they're all similar of basically we're going to enact a bunch of things within the Constitution that say yeah the federal government can't have control of that and I'm wondering you know like even even with close Schwab's influence in the world economic form I think at this point it's that ain't conspiracy at this point it's like no it's pretty common knowledge that is like whether it's taking direct marching orders or whether it's just they believe so wholeheartedly in what he's talking about there's influence it do you think they predicted that people like daniel smith would would say if i'm elected first day sovereignty acts going in and basically anything we don't agree with ottawa we're just done with premier scott moh said it comes out and says yeah it's a minority government being propped up by a third party uh we're not going to enact that like i hear that and i'm like six months ago, Premier Moe might have been escorted to the door. And now he's being praised for that, you know? And I'm going, well, if you had this grand plan, that ain't

going to help it. At least I don't think. Hmm. I hope. I hope you're right. I don't know what else to say. I hope you're right. Yeah. I mean, I, we've all seen the certain politicians say something that they change their mind last second or, you know, I mean, I just, I don't know what to think. Honestly, I'm so confused when it comes to the, how the political game is played. It's like not my wheelhouse. I'm following it all, honestly, but I don't know. I just, I just don't know. I just, my vision is more like 50,000 feet up. You know, maybe, maybe, maybe Alberta will be like the Florida of Canada, you know. I'll tell you, it seems a lot more sane where you are than in B.C. for sure. Wouldn't it be something to have a Florida in Canada? Can you imagine how many people

would move across the country in a heartbeat to come? Enjoy life. Well, you guys are headhunting, You're headhunting our nurses, you know, because Alberta said, well, we will hire unjab nurses. And there's all these unjob nurses, thousands of them in BC that have no jobs. And now you guys have headhunters here to scoop them up and say, hey, we're going to pay even more. And, you know, if they sweeten the deal, I mean, you guys are going to have all the nurses. And we are going to have literally none. So I mean, I can't give the Alberta government off. I mean, they laid off a ton of nurses.

So they've built themselves this pit, right? Because once upon a time, if you're on Jap, you're out of job here in Alberta. So they've changed their tune, which is good to see. But now they got to go replace, you know, they're talking about a worker shortage. And you're like, that's because you created the damn thing, right? Like if we had a worker shorter going into this, you made it completely worse because of what your policies were. So now we're in other problems is, you know, trying to bring them all in, kid. it's like a self-made problem or a problem that even was made worse like just immensely.

It's that part of it is like, oh man, do they think nobody has the, nobody's paying that close of attention? Like that's one thing that I find really interesting with podcasters or independence maybe. Maybe just all put it to independence. They're feeling the pulse rate now and watching everything and they're not letting anybody off with anything at this point. They're like, no, no, no. And I just, you watch the news.

How many times do they follow up on a story 10 times over to give you the full picture unless it's like Ottawa and that was very biased. But you get my point. A flood. Something of that type of event. They don't take you through a full year and how like this was a really dumb thing and like guide an audience through like or even follow through on a certain topic. At least I don't think they do. Whereas podcasters or. independent journalists, I see them doing that more and more.

Like they put out like a eight part series on this and if you want to go listen to it all, you can. And you're like, wow. And you can find it whenever you want. So more and more people are finding that watching it and going, oh yeah, that doesn't make sense. What? What? Oh, I don't know. I'm just, now I'm rambling on a thought of mine. Right? Nothing seems to make sense. No one seems to be doing the logical thing like all around. And it's really it's just getting weirder and weirder and weirder. Would Kit Carson come to Alberta if it became the Texas of the North, the Florida of the North? Or are you like, nah, I love my mountains?

No, the love affair with Vancouver is really dwindled. I mean, it's, there's just a lot of, there's a lot of people riding their bike alone with two masks on. That is Vancouver. that's Vancouver it's it's really like like you in their cars alone with two masks on it's just like what is happening so that's the energy and that's the vibe that that's going on here um and you you've got a you know on a funny on a funny side really expensive to live here the whole thing on a funny side note i'm i'm going to paint small town, Alberta really bad. I only saved the town I was in the other day. I stopped into

McDonald's used the bathroom. I just needed to use the bathroom. And I walked in and there was a guy smoking in the bathroom. So you got you got you got, uh, we're living in this, not this donated. I tease small town Alberta. I love you. But you got that going on. Right. And I walked in. I'm like, uh, well, you probably shouldn't be doing that. But I mean, okay, anyways, I just got to pay, right? And then you got it, Vancouver, you got a guy going for a bike ride with two masks on. I'm like, the extremes could not be any more different. That's wild. Oh, yeah.

And you've got people here who, you know, when the mask mandates were dropped before the summer, you had people like protesting, angry that we were dropping. With the masks being dropped. So it's just really, it's in, man, I've had a great time in the city since I moved here. I don't know, 15, I guess, you know, 15 to 20 years ago. But it's just getting a bit weird.

So I don't know, man. Alberta could be the spot. Well, you hear that, Alberta, do the right thing, vote the right person in. And maybe we'll, I just, we, we sit on the border, right, Lloyd Minster? I said half the cities in Saskatchewan, half the cities in Alberta. It's a very interesting little spot. So instead of just following, I'm going to back that up, it's a very interesting spot, but gave a very interesting perspective on what went on in the last two years,

because you got to see the rules that both provinces were implementing, and we followed certain, you know, we're SAS Health. So the Alberta rules sometimes don't apply even though you're in Alberta. Let that sink in, right? It's like this weird spot on a map that probably doesn't happen anywhere else or very few spots. So we get talking about all the time. All it takes is one province to have a leader to just go, no. take the heat like DeSantis did in Florida

and then you will see the amount of talent leave this country and go to that province or come from all the provinces, go there because there's so many people that just want that, just want government out of their life. So leave me alone. Let us work. Let us earn a living.

And that's that, right? Don't tell me, I can't see my family on Christmas. Don't tell me, you know, like in order to go watch a hockey game and arena, you got to have a passport to get in there and have rent-a-cops and arrest kids on the rink and just like all these crazy things that happened in the course of like nine months. Whoa. Full stop.

Yeah. And those of us with young kids, I mean, man, this is all they've ever known. My youngest just turned five. And, you know, Max, this is like, you know, he was like two when all this started to happen. And you start to going, oh, my God, this is like half his life. What? Like, I mean, we never let our kids wear masks. But when you start to put it in perspective, for us, the time sort of flies. But then when to look at little Max, I go, oh my God, this for him is like all he's ever known. Is this, if we're going to get weird again in the fall or this next year, is this the life, the actual life that I want to give my, you know, I'll use Max as an example. And the answer is no. And the answer is no. So like, yeah, I, I, I, you know, I, you know, All jokes aside, I would really consider moving to somewhere, or even out of the country, if we had to, um, to like give my son a life where he can walk down the street and see human faces or where he's not being told he's got to wear a mask to go to school or all these things.

Like, it's really crazy, you know, is that, that will affect, it's this life, man. Yeah, we've had, we've had a good run. We've had a good run. I'm looking at time. So I get out of here on time. I've really, really enjoyed this. It's been great getting, get to meet one of the voices of radio. We always finish with the final question here from Crudemaster. It's Heath McDonald's words. He says, if you're going to stand behind a cause that you think is right, then stand behind it absolutely. Man, you've certainly done that. But what's one thing kid stands behind? Being allowed curiosity. I know you love that word. to discourse, friendly discourse, sharing ideas, freedom of speech as someone who talks for a living. You know, I guess I stand behind also now what I've really sort of come awake to is I've gone through all the things, the emotions, the ups and down, it's been a couple years now. It's really easy to get sucked into a dark place, be focusing all our energy on the bad guys that are doing all this to us. And that can consume literally years of your life. I've been there.

And don't get me wrong, I love a good Justin Trudeau meme. But there comes a point where you have to just, you have to, actually I interviewed someone who made this great analogy. I'll leave this with you. and his name is Corey George. He's one of my most recent podcast episodes. And he's like, okay, let's say we're on a sports team. And like you're correctly identifying the enemy on the other team. You're going, you know, Schwab, Gates, Trudeau, whoever it is.

And you waste all your energy. So you're losing the game and you're wasting all your energy on these players, on the other team. Instead of turning around and looking at your own team and putting your energy into that because that's how you win the game. I mean, you are an athlete and if you turn around and focus on your own team,

that's how you win. So I'm trying to do a little more of that, a little more of, okay, how can I get my family to be happier? How can we be more, you know, successful or how can we, whatever it is. Maybe it's focusing on your own health. Maybe it's, and these seem you might think, but no, there's bigger things that are important.

But no, all those other things are what's, you want all those things to be good so that you can be good. But put at least, you know, 90% of your energy on yourself. Still go to some protests, obviously. Let your, you know, voice be heard, power in numbers, all of that. I'm all about that. I mean, hey, I run a social media app now for uncensored and community building. I mean, that's my thing. I love it.

But I'm also making sure. I put a lot of energy into, you know, my team, my family, because that's how we're going to win in the end. So I'm still strategizing how I do that. But I tell you, once you shift your energy a little bit, it gets your head into a better place. Does that make any sense? Makes complete sense. I think, yeah, I appreciate that thought, because we want to stare at the negative. Negative takes all of our energy. And if you turn it around and like you say, focus on some of the positive and and working on oneself or one's community, uh, builds good things around you. And once you're feeling good, it's like nothing can stand in your way. So, uh, yeah, I, I get where you're going.

And, and I appreciate that thought at the end of, you know, a very interesting, uh, conversation for an hour. Um, I look forward to hopefully in the future, uh, you know, as, as things, uh, steam along. We'll have kid back on and pick your brain on some current things because you got an act for it. And it's been a lot of fun. It's been a quick hour. Thanks, brother. I appreciate the conversation.