Shaun Newman Podcast - #309 - Alexandra Kitty

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

Former journalist & Canadian Author. We discuss Psyops, propaganda & the resurrection of journalism. Alexandra is a previous guest of the podcast, she also appeared on episode #263 SNP Presents: QDM & 2's. Get your tickets here: snp.ticketleap.com/snp-presents-qdm--222-minutes/ Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by Alexander Kitty. So first off, thanks for hopping back on. It's a pleasure. Nice to see you again, Sean. Yes, it's been a few months. May 9th was when you were on previously. So if people haven't listened to episode 263, I direct them back to.

I listened to it this weekend before we recorded this, just to kind of refresh my memory on propaganda and everything else that we talked about. And I found that episode just as fascinating as hopefully what we do here today. But I do appreciate you giving me some of your valuable time there, Alexander. I know a lot of people expressed a lot of interest in what we talked about, the last. time you were on. Well, I think it's great that actually people have an interest in this. I mean, this has become mainstream. And I think that's really cool, that people are now interested in this in such a big way,

that this before used to be considered so an obscure topic. And now this is so many people. This is what they're exploring. And I think that's a really interesting Odyssey, because that's one I've taken many years ago. And I find that there's still more to learn. So this is great. Yeah, one of the things that I really appreciated about it, and you about our first episode,

and you just hit on it before we started recording, it was towards the end, you have this really interesting way of making the situation seem really positive, you know, no matter how hard they're pressing and all the propaganda that's been used and everything else, you have this interesting way of turning it positive. And I find that very rare. I actually had a listener reach out to me about a week ago.

And she's like, man, it just, it's like negative story after negative story after negative story. It's not that I don't appreciate it. It's that, you know, it'd be nice to have some positive stuff. And I found that towards the end of our episode on number 263, I found you really looking towards the future and seeing a lot of positive coming in the near future or over the next course of however many years it takes or what have you. but and I haven't heard that out of a lot of guess.

I just haven't. I haven't heard a lot of positivity coming. And I thought that was a really cool, a tribute you had. Attribute. Attribute, I think is the word I'm looking for. I'm trying to spit it out. But I thought that was really cool, Alexandra. Well, you know, the whole point of propaganda is to make you feel negative.

That changes your neurochemistry. That makes you more feel the fetus. your hormonal levels go down, your cortisol levels go up, and you feel helpless. And you'll look to somebody to save you. Cognitive outsourcing is the technical term. Well, if you keep positive and you have a sense of humor, you're saying I'm capable, I have abilities, I'm not a child, I'm an adult, and I'm going to see my way through. The more positive you are, your body reacts well when you're happy.

Your mind reacts well when you see a solution. So a propaganda is trying to knit, knit, knit at you until they wear you down and you feel exhausted. But when you're happy, you have energy. You gain energy. So if you know the old, you know, things about alchemy where you're supposed to take lead and turn it into gold, that's what you're doing. So they're throwing negative things and you're going, oh, thank you for this negative

thing. I'm going to turn it into something positive. I'm going to make my empire from all this negative things you're throwing at me and you're going to get tired and I'm going to gain energy. So a big thing with propaganda is thinking, how can I leverage this negativity to be something positive? That way, you have control. So that's what I think was so wonderful about 2020.

You have a lot of people bring their own substacks, their own podcasts. They actually made something positive out of the negative. And they didn't even realize that's what they were doing. So this is actually, you know, when people have to stoop to negativity, that's because they don't have control and they don't feel like they're competent. So they're going to make everybody feel as miserable as they are. Now, if you make this into an escapade, an odyssey, a journey, and you go, I'm going to make my own little world, you can throw anything negative. You go your way. I go mine, but I'm not going to sit there and wallow because you want me to. So I think with propaganda,

the whole point is to make you scared, hateful, miserable. And you go, no, that's not. That's not for me. That's not who I am. I don't move that way. It's a wasted effort. The more they throw, the more you can see connections, you do more you see how people think, how negative people think, and you say no. And I'm going to go and do my own fabulous thing. And I think a lot of people get scared of propaganda. And that's not the attitude you should take. You should try to find your place, find your voice, find your calling. And then people can throw stuff at you and you can go, okay, you're throwing me a lot of pieces of broken wood, but I'm going to build my own castle with all these things that you're

throwing at me. That's the trick with propaganda and you make it a wasted effort on the propagandist's part. Who do you think is the best at that at taking all the negative or, you know, you use pieces of wood, who is the best in your eyes? They're like, wow, like, look at what they're doing right now as all these stories come out and they just keep, you know, I don't know, rolling with the punches, so to speak. I like to liken it to Aretha Franklin. Now, this woman had a voice. She's saying unbelievable songs. Her songs, I mean, her life was very hard, very negative. And yet she built things based on that. So if you kind of think in that way, a lot of times people, um, boxers,

you know, they might have come from poverty. They went and they went in the ring. They got, you know, pummel, pummel, pummel, and then they pulled themselves out. So I think a lot of things we can look at sports. People who do sports have a very wonderful way of learning how to do this physically. They don't realize they can do it in other aspects. Artists, musicians, we have a whole school, you know, industries of people who do it,

who don't realize they do it. The problem is we didn't have it in journalism. This is where we can take from other people. And 2020 was fabulous for the simple reason. A lot of people who started their own streams, podcasts, blogs, and things like that. They came from different industries. And some of those industries were the type where you had to take all your negativity. You made something positive.

That's what drove you. And they brought it into communications. So this is actually quite a groundswell that were. seeing right now. People who've learned to take things that were difficult, made something wonderful out of it, and now they're applying it to communications, which is actually helping people, and they're not even realizing that they're spreading something much more positive, and they don't realize that's what they're doing. So I think it's time for a lot of people to realize they're actually visionaries, they're futurists, they're creating, they're building.

And that's how we have to focus on propaganda. Propaganda is a reaction. a way of trying to prevent progress. And progress doesn't care. It will go whether you want it to go or not. Can you say that last line one more time? Propagana doesn't, is fighting progress? How did you say that? It's fighting progress.

It's reactionary. Propaganda wants to keep you down. So when people who have been in charge for too long, they get complacent. They go through these rules. And they want everything static. one answer that we all answer the same way, think the same way. So it's rig that they always succeed.

Now when people start having new ideas and saying, well, I don't like this old way, I want to do something new, that person becomes unpredictable to people who have made their fortunes being able to predict and guess people's behavior and thoughts. And then propaganda is supposed to slap you back into submission. And you know, and you're not supposed to be able to fight back. And we've now found in 2020, there are millions of people who fought back. They didn't think they did. They just didn't get scared.

And this is where propaganda falls because it's hinged on fear. If you're not afraid, it doesn't work. And this is the most important thing that people need to realize. There is no walls caving in. Those are just lines in the sand. You cross the lines. You've moved away from this very toxic dynamic. Well, this is right back to where I was a few months ago in May where you get going and I'm like, man, this is information by a fire hose almost, you know, because I find what you're talking about so fascinating.

And the reason I brought you back on was because the propaganda thing makes not complete sense to me, but I'm starting to understand more and more, Alexandra. the thing that I don't understand is now the word siop although it was there a few months ago i just it's just everything seemed everybody just is throwing this word around like sorry like it's just so commonplace like siops are happening everywhere in the world's largest siop siop siop siop siop siop siop siop siop siop siop siop siop siop and i'm just like okay i don't understand so the only way i can do is by asking more questions heck that's what we talked about last time, you know, take time, ask some questions, think about it. There's no gun to my head, figuratively, at least, that says you need an answer on this today. So I bring you back on because

I'm like, I want to know the difference between Saup and propaganda. Now, I think I have a little knowledge of what it is. Syop is the overall, you know, working psychological warfare, obviously and propaganda is a tool of it, I believe. But I kind of wanted your, your expertise on this and seeing if we can't get to the root of this and why this is so effective, why it's used, because in my readings, obviously, you know, if you're a civilian such as myself, you go, oh, psychological warfare, okay, you know, and I just go back to the World War II, you know, the Allies versus Axis, there's going to be psychological warfare. But the more I read into it, like psychological warfare can be used on civilians for political means.

And as soon as I read that, I'm like, well, that's a scary thought. So I thought, let's tackle this and see where we get to. Well, propaganda is basically messaging to make you afraid, to make you hateful, to make you blame other people for problems and that. Cyops is an actual campaign based in propaganda. So for instance, I'm going to use a very old example. So if I have a small army and I'm up against a big army and I know that this big army can pulverize me, I'm going to try to psych him out.

I might put all my soldiers in a certain place where it makes it seem that I have more troops and more power than I actually do to psych out. So it's a way for weak to prey upon the strong. So sciops will freak you out. It's a theater. So this is a performance. So sciops will use props. It will use a narrative to make you think that something,

I'll give you actually another case of siops. I was done, conducted on children during the Cold War. When they said, well, in case of a nuclear attack, go hide under your desk. So the desk became part of the siops. How are you going to get protected if you're underneath a desk during a dropping of a bomb? That's sciops. We're thinking at any minute your life is over and you have to go retreat and hide. That's an example of siobs.

How can being under a desk see? It can't. This is just a theater. So if anything's supposed to make you afraid and it involves props or some sort of kind of psych out that way, that's siops. It can be used on civilians. It can be used on other nations. It can be used on a single world leader. So it can be something very pinpointed to be specific, or it could be for a general audience.

There's a lot of study on these things from nudging, getting people to, for a perfect example, stand a certain number, six feet away from people and you'll be safe. That's theater. So if you're thinking, if I have props, making it. people go through rules and rituals, that's siops. If I'm telling you this person's a bad person who's going to destroy us, that's propaganda. It's more complex. Syops is more complex than propaganda. So am I thinking this correctly, that siops basically is the combination of obviously propaganda, which is a lot of mental warfare, and then the physical component, right? Right. If you go back to COVID, and I pick on Saskatchewan, if you say you need a mask to go in this building.

And if you don't, you can be arrested. Well, arrested, you're like, oh, like in your brain, like, oh, that's pretty crazy. But if you never see anyone get arrested, it kind of loses some of its meat, so to say. But then if you see somebody get arrested and tackled, although you're out, like, this is insane. Now you have the visual to go along with the propaganda. and now they combined and that together is, although it's wrong, that framework is the SIOP. And you brought up a really good point. A phobia research.

It doesn't matter if a dog attacks you, if you've seen somebody attacked by a dog, or you read about somebody getting attacked in the dog. Eventually, you will not be able to say, this phobia will be lesser than that. Eventually, it increments, increments until it's a problem. So maybe you don't get arrested, but you watch it on the news or you've seen somebody. That still plants a seed that it can happen. You're not safe unless you follow these rules. Something bad is going to happen to you.

So it's that impending doom that that is banking on, well, I can't cross this line because something will happen. and people feel too, you're already taxed with propaganda, you have sensory overload, and now your prefrontal cortex is hit, that's where your memory

is, that's where your decision making power is, and you get so overwhelmed that something, something so minor, that normally if you were relaxed and someone goes, well, if you don't do this, you're going to get a fine, and you go, fine, I'll get a fine, I don't care. And you go and you challenge the

fine, and they drop it, and then you say, okay, this was a waste of time. But when you're scared, it has a totally different effect on you. So propaganda gets everybody ready for the siops. That's basically how it works. We nudge people, then we use propaganda, then we use siops, and then everybody's supposed to fall into place and be predictable. You don't have any thoughts because your brain is so overtaxed.

You listen to other people telling you what to do because you're too afraid to make a decision on you. your own. How old is this thought process? Like, are we talking like beginning of time or are we talking in the last hundred years? I would say we've always had this since, you know, since we've had wars. Wars is the ultimate misdirection. Somebody made mess somewhere and then we need a war to get everybody to forget about everything beforehand. So we've always had it. Probably within the last, I would say, hundred years. This has been deeply studied, practiced, experimented on, which is actually quite funny because no matter how hard and how sophisticated it is, and I've mentioned this

somewhere else. It's like the Indiana Jones movie when there's that ninja with all those moves and Indy has a gun and pop and that's that's it. Propaganda no matter how complex, no matter how intricate. If you don't buy into the program, it doesn't work. So somebody says, well, you have a sink or swim. You know, I'll fly, thank you. You find the third option and you say goodbye. I don't have to listen to you.

If you don't give the person an audience, the propaganda doesn't work at all. So it's, you've seen a lot of, you know, even people who've used it and they pounded, pound it, came election day. They didn't, they lost. I mean, you can see this. They're not.

It doesn't have a long legs. That's the problem with propaganda, if you want to call it a problem. Sooner or later, people get adjusted and desensitized. So you throw everything at a person. They see they're still standing after two, three years. And they go, oh, okay, whatever. You're just a chicken little. And I don't have to listen to you.

So propaganda is a dangerous form of communications. But it's not a permanent state of affairs. That's why they keep having to study it. That's why they keep having to tweak it and try to go deeper and deeper. But if people don't buy into it, you can say whatever you want. They won't listen. And we're at that point where more and more people are saying, you know what? I really don't have time.

I have to pay my bills. And I have things. I've missed all these right of passes. So I think I'll pass on being afraid. I'm going to go live my life. And this is, you know, what we're seeing. We're starting to see the burnout. of propaganda.

And this is actually quite interesting. This is the beginning of the end for this as being an effective form of miscommunications. So this is scaring people on one hand. But we should not be afraid of it because how many people didn't buy into it? How many people did not get afraid? They lived their life.

They started new things. Nobody was supposed to start anything new in 2020. We were locked down. We were all isolated from each other. And how many people met other people online and they formed alliances and all sorts of things. People are resilient. And this is what propaganda wants you to forget. The reason why it wasn't so successful in 2020 is because they didn't have a designated bad guy.

So people had free brain space. That's why it was probably very effective, but it was still a disastrous campaign. It was big. It was effective in many ways. But in the end, it actually did the opposite of what it intended to do. Although I agree with you for most of it. I go, there's a weird thing, though, going on where, A, they're still trying to keep up with propaganda, right? Obviously.

The other thing is, is like, if it affects, if it was extremely effective in affecting large, corporations, which North America is really guided by, right? Like, I don't think I fully understand how much power these corporations have and control and influence and all that thing. If the propaganda worked on changing the tops of those corporations, although we can ignore it, it's going to filter down through these institutions, isn't it? It does. But once you realize, once you have too many people who can recognize propaganda, it starts

to affect other areas as well. And it's not going to be an overnight thing. And it's not going to be monolithic where everybody sees the propaganda and realizing people start breaking up. So what we were seeing for years and years and years was globalization, where everything was centralized, centralized. And about a couple of years ago, there was a webinar I watched from Chatham House where they were saying, well, things are starting to de-globalize.

But we can get people back into believing into globalization, except it didn't work. So what we're seeing now is the beginnings of what I call plurality. So different people believe different things and they're being more vocal. So we see now a sudden shift. So yeah, we have corporations trying to plan things and people are rebelling. So it doesn't matter what it is. People are starting to rebel because the only people, left that, let's say, Americans trusted more were corporations. And now they're starting to say,

well, I don't trust big tech. I don't trust this. I don't trust the press. So we're seeing the beginnings of it. It doesn't, things don't happen overnight. But when you have millions of people say, I don't believe this anymore, I'm going to go and find my information on my own. I'm going to become a media outlet on my own. And those people have a bigger ratings and a bigger audience than the traditional press. It's already happening. Even with cryptocurrency, people said, well, I don't want to be dependent on a government for my money. I want to have my own.

So we're starting to see people go, you know, I don't have to follow this big institution. I can go somewhere on my own. And this is why we have so much. turbulence. We have people fighting to go in a new path. We have the old guard trying to stop them. And you have a whole bunch of people confused. They don't know where they're going one way or another because there's change. And it's not the change the elites had been banking on. This is not, they have totally lost the narrative. They have totally lost the plot. So we're seeing, you know, they're talking about nuclear war trying to scare people and people are not

getting afraid of nuclear war. We had them talking about aliens and people go, whatever. So you're hearing all these climate emergency, all this things. They're throwing absolutely everything. In psychology, there's something called flooding. And flooding is actually a great way to cure your phobia. If you immerse yourself in the thing you're afraid of the most and you're still standing after it, you stop being afraid. So what we're seeing is people now going to ridiculous extremes. They figure if they go more extreme, maybe I'll work this time. You can't do the same thing and expect the different outcome. More extreme. More extreme

where it's becoming far as. And you're going to think, you know, people 10 years for now are going to look at this era and they're going to be howling. They're going to be laughing their heads off. They're going to go, what? Did everybody lose their mind in 2020? It's like, no, not everybody. Some of us, you know, we

went to do wonderful things and you have these wonderful things because when everything was frozen, I got hot and I, you know, built things. So this is what we're seeing. We're seeing people who are regular folks all of a sudden realized they're cool outsider rebels because they didn't buy things. They went their own way. And they never thought of themselves as being Ramones or something. They didn't think they were outsiders. They thought they were just everyday people. And this is what turned on a switch in these people's minds. And then you have other people who follow rules.

So we have elites we like call rope binary thinkers. They only know two things, one and zero. They're the one. And if anybody thinks differently, they have to be a zero. So that's why you're seeing what you're seeing from powers above. But people and other places are going, I'm not a zero. I'm a human being. I have feelings.

Life is short. Life is fleeting. I have dreams. You do whatever you want. I don't care what's the cost. I'm living my life because there's no guarantee of tomorrow. So this is this clash, but it's not the clash we would normally think. We would think wars and civil unrest.

The people who are the biggest rebels are actually being very nice. They're sharing their insights with other people. They're trying to help other people. So the rebels we have now are quite polite. They care about other people. They're not afraid to stand up to authority. or a mob. This is why the propaganda failed

because you're not supposed to have rebels who are nice. You're supposed to have them say, see, they're dangerous, they're crazy, they're horrible people. And you see these really nice people. And they, you know, the Freedom Convoy, I think,

was one of those cases. You know, you had all these truckers up there barbecuing for other people and they were, you know, on the, you know, doing all sorts of things. And, you know, they were trying to, People were trying to villainize them, and you couldn't. They didn't do anything violent.

They didn't do anything bad. And this is the new face of rebellion. It's not what we used to think it is. It's something a lot more sensitive, a lot more thoughtful, a lot more based on instinct, based on feel. And this is not what we've had before. We have never had a class of people lead the way who were just, ordinary people. We've always had, you know, the great person or this great movement. These are individuals. So it's not a group. It's not a charismatic leader. It's just people who have no errors

about them saying, this is wrong. This is wrong. I don't mind finding facts. I don't mind talking to other people, finding out other information. This is a total, we have a new form of rebellion. This is unprecedented and nobody knows what to make out of it. This is what's confusing is the people standing up are the people who would probably give you the shirt off the back, their last $20 to help you and they still can stand up to other people in a blink of an eye and do it so nicely. Yeah, I met one of those, one of the people that's been a figure of controversy over the last, well, I mean, we're not that far away from the freedom convoy. Jeez. we're on end of August here.

But Tamara Leach was, I bumped into her a few days ago. And there was a lady who they try and frame in one sense and throw her in jail and everything else. And she doesn't come out and lose her top or anything. It's been quite interesting to watch. And I mean that at the no expense of Tamara because, I mean, she's had to endure a lot of things. But there's one in particular. And another was a man that I had on here was Chris Barber. Chris Barber is a giant of a man who was a driver in the West convoy and they framed him as a lot of different things.

And he said on the show, you know, he's a vaccinated guy, right? He's just tired of the government doing what he's doing. And when I listen to me, I go, you know, a lot of these things probably could work, except for two years, that's what they did. And people just got to the point where it doesn't matter what the government says at this point. They just don't care. I mean, literally, they just do not care. So when you talk about all these tactics and everything else, it's almost like the well is full. Like they're just, you know, they've been hammered with so many different things when you start rattling off the aliens and the, and while aliens and climate change and the, the crazy thing is, is some of these things might be real.

Might be right there, but nobody cares anymore because of the last two years. The last two years, everybody's just like, yeah, I'm done. And for me, going to Ottawa, seeing it firsthand and then seeing it what they said, you're like, oh, man, how do you ever come back from this? I don't know the answer to that. As far as news, media goes, right? I stumbled. I've said the story multiple times now, so I apologize to the listener for, you know, repeating myself. But one of the things I stumbled upon was Roosevelt in the 30s, his fireside chats.

which essentially was him speaking on a radio station to the American people without having anyone interpret it what he was saying, right? And the reason he did this is he thought the papers were corrupted and they wouldn't get the message to the people that he wanted. And I found that fascinating because I'm like, well, we're less than 100 years away from then. And that's exactly what's happened over again. So you talk about all these lovely new things coming up.

And, you know, we talked about it last time, substack and, and, uh, podcast and just this open form of, you know, regular citizens taking it upon themselves to do research, to bring on people to have discussions, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you talk about the elites trying to scramble on how the heck do you stop this? Because it's almost impossible because there's so many points of entry on the internet with these people making shows and gaining followings and everything else. You think in the next hundred years it'll be corrupted all over again, Alexandra? Or is this something the world obviously has never seen before,

but Roosevelt going on a radio and talking directly to the public was never seen before at that time. You think in 100 years it'll be all over again? I think you'll be something different. I think each generation learns. So we're having people now learn to spot propaganda because we talk about this openly now. So when the next generation, they'll make different mistakes. They'll make whole new different mistakes. They will not be making this mistake because they're going to remember, you know,

we're going to hear about 2020 and people are going to go, oh, oh, that was a really bad movie. I mean, we don't want that bad movie. This was an interactive movie where the whole world was cast as, you know, extras in this horrible, horrible movie. And then, you know, these people are trying to have sequels. And it's like, no, that movie was a box office failure. I don't want to be in this. I'll make my own movie. I can make a better plot and have a lot more humor.

I'm not into that grim and gritty things that you were trying. I mean, it was ridiculous. You know, you go in the store and they have arrows, these arrows on the floor. Yes, the virus will hit you if you'd walk the opposite way, but you're safe if you follow the arrow because that's how you follow the science. This is, you know, or we had masks. What did they do in the Spanish flu? over 100 years ago. You wear a mask.

Okay, 100 years later, you have the same advice. What happened to all those billions of dollars science, God, and research? You're doing the same thing you did a century ago. I mean, once you start thinking about what the heck happened, people are going to go, we just panic. That's all.

Somebody screamed fire in the theater, and a whole bunch of people came running screaming. And then there was a group of people going, there's no fire here. I think I'll stay. I'll be safer here and watch what's going on. Who's screaming fire and why? So this is, as I said, you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

And this is what 2020 was an attempt to do. Fool all of the people all of the time. And you can't do that. There's always going to be somebody who's contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian. They're going to be people who are skeptical. They're going to be people who out of just sheer dumb luck didn't get the memo. and go, I don't get this.

I don't understand what we're doing. So you had a whole bunch of different people for different reasons. I don't buy this. And then we went, it went right off the rails. And it was supposed to be resolved. Happy ending, happy ending. Except now, you know, Europe is saying, okay, people, you're going to all have to suffer with these high utility costs.

But the utility companies are making record profits. Oh, we have inflation, but all these companies are making record profits. So people start looking, okay, you want me to suffer, but the people in charge of this getting bonuses and raises and billions of dollars, I don't think so. So we're starting to see people start questioning other things, other things, other things. Things have to change because everything in our system is not based on anything but faith. If you believe in something, then that person has power. If you say, I don't believe in this institution anymore.

I'm not putting any resources in it. They lose power. And this is what we're seeing, the illusionary nature of power. And once people sort of just walk away, you know, it's like somebody, you know, arguing with you, arguing with you. And you get upset when they argue with you all the time.

And then one day you just walk away, you don't care. And they have no power over you. This is what's happening on a global scale. More and more people going, I don't want to argue with you anymore. I'm not giving in, but I'm just walking away. I don't need this anymore in my life. And we're seeing protests around the world.

We're seeing a rise of different groups. And, you know, the life has gone on without these decrees. And I think this is for a lot of people who are in power. The biggest shock and misery of their life, they thought if they scared people enough, they'll whip them into place. And it didn't happen the way they envisioned it. And even if it did, they would still have made them. mess of things because if you have to do that, there's something, you're not competent. And this is

why we had it. Somebody made a mess somewhere. Let's deflect by making everybody afraid so nobody looks. That's all. What do you think of the world economic form then? You know, as a group of people who are trying to nudge, push different narratives or a giant narrative to governments and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What does Alexander Kitty think of the W.E.F? I have absolutely no respect for the people of tomorrow. And this is what this is. These are people of yesterday trying to convince us that they know what's going, they're the people of tomorrow. They will thump their chest. They'll make grand decrease. But they actually, more and more people know them and they go, I don't trust anything they say. I don't have

respectful. So I don't really listen. I don't listen to them because they'll make decrees, they'll thump their chest, they'll say this is how it's going to be. And yet nothing they've said has come true. I think this is people in their twilight years instead of going to play some shuffleboard in Florida like everybody else, they're trying to change the world. And they can't even probably even control their own kids and pets. So I don't I don't have to listen to them. and I don't. They have no idea of what's going on. They have no idea of what tomorrow will bring.

And I think they're very much afraid that the fact is that one day nobody will remember them and probably shouldn't. Really? You don't think anyone, I tell you what, a bunch of people are slapping the radio right now. They're turning it up, Alexander. I think that's probably one of the most positive things they've heard in the last little bit. because the doom and gloom of the W.E.F. Whether they believe they're right, which I think we obviously believe that they do, they talk about how far they've infiltrated every different government, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't need to reiterate this to every listener. They've certainly heard and done enough research on that themselves. But, you know, the scare tactic or the fear is, you know, that they've infiltrated every government of the, you know, the major ones.

And that that's going to usher in the next 100 years, let's say, or whatever the time frame is. And that fear tactic has got a lot of people worked up. One of the things, you know, if you're sitting there, you know, I heard this lovely thing. I can't remember if it was Kid Carson. I want to say it was Kid Carson. I think he said, it's one of these guests. That's who it was. Anyways, they talk about, you know, we get so focused on what they're saying.

and you forget you're kind of in and and i think of hockey but i he was talking about soccer you know they're just a soccer team you're just playing them they scored an early goal maybe they scored an early two goals but we get to play and one of the the things you know you talked about uh propaganda being a pendulum and so it swung so far to their side they had control everything like it was it was wild right the and and now you're starting to see the opposite happen like it is swinging as fast, if not faster, the opposite way. You know, here in Alberta, I just, I look at, I look at the election, you know, J's Premier Kenny stepping down.

So now you got an interim leader until the next election stepping in. And openly, the WF has talked about. They've all been asked about it 100,000 times. Now, the people who don't believe, and word they say, all say they're in it on it. But then there's other people who are like, well, I don't know. they're literally on video over and over and over again denouncing the WF. Nobody's going to have a part in it. We're not going to have anyone in this government go, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And it just goes on and on. And I go, if you were the WDEF, that's like the last thing you want. I would think they would want to be this quiet, you know, pulling the strings, but nobody knows who they are. And instead, they've become an open thing. That's a big sign that they're not, it's puffing. They're trying to scare people into submission. Like it's a defeat is inevitable.

We're going to take over. We're going to assimilate you. That's a lot of talk. That's a lot of hot air. And if you go, that's nice, dear. You know, you held on to those dreams. I'm going to go live my life and complete, you know, you see whatever you want. That's fine.

And, you know, that's how you treat it. And so somebody's trying to scare you. The last thing they want you to say, oh, that's so cute. That's so nice, you know. It's like when you have a vicious dog, after you and you go oh puppy you're so cute little puppy the dog gets totally embarrassed this is how you have to treat it you know they want you afraid they want you to think you have no choice we're going to get you and you go yeah okay that's so cute when you do that you know and you know did you wash behind

your ears there you have to take control it's your life your perceptions of reality have a lot of sway and how you live your life. So it's like how you drive a car. If you look at the ditch, that's where you're going. So why would you look at the ditch? If you keep your eyes on the road, on your destination, and you avoid the obstacles, it's smooth sailing. So I had so many people tell me, well, you know, how was it for you? And I did fine. I had four books published in 2020 in a year. I had no problem living my life. I heard all this negative stuff. So I said, okay, let's look at the scaffolding of this.

How do we, okay, this is what they're doing. This is why they're doing it. This is how they're doing. How does a regular person counter this so they can live the happiest life in the world? That has always been my wish for everybody, you know, that you just live the happiest life for what you want and need. That's all. I have, you know, no ill will. So if you have people trying to manipulate and control, you have.

to feel sorry for you have to say what kind of life do you live where you have to micromanage as 8 billion people at once what kind of organization is the wef where they have to micromanage and meddle in the lives they have no life that means they have no life they're jealous of all the people everyday people living their life and they can't do it you know people started things in 2020 they live their life they made new friends they made connection They stood up to Tyrann. That's so many people don't realize if you wrote down everything you've done since 2020, you'd probably be shocked at everything you've accomplished.

They can't say the same. There's a difference between fighting the win and fighting not to lose. The people who are of tomorrow are fighting the win. The people of yesterday are fighting not to lose. You always had your bets on people fighting to win. I like that. And I also would like to point out when you talk about patting the dog and saying, well, that's nice and moving along.

I like to bring up, you know, Premier Scott Moe, eight months ago, I didn't have the time of day for him. And I'm not giving him a pass on a lot of things. But one of the things I find highly interesting is you've got basically all the candidates in Alberta running on the grounds up. We're going to stand up to Ottawa. So while this is going on, the 30% emissions reduction for farmers comes out, right? And then, of course, here in, like in the recent weeks, federal agents, Canadian, federal employees have been caught on private land testing water now, right? And Premier Scott Moe has come home and said, listen, we're not going to do that. And if we catch any more federal agents on people's private lands, we'll arrest them.

and I go like that's pretty wild because of where we just came from for a premier to come out and say that and Alberta is saying pretty much the exact same thing for whoever walks into power so when you talk about patting the dog and saying that's nice Scott Moe has literally come out and said listen we're not going to listen to a minority government who's propped up by a third party I think all of us who follow any bit of politics understand what he's talking about is the NDP are making it so that they can stay in power until 2025. And now you have a Premier go, we're not going to abide by what they say.

And all of a sudden, they can come out with some funky laws. And if premiers go, yeah, we're just going to literally cut that off at the root, pretty much. We're not going to force that. Oh,

well, what does that mean? And I find that very, very interesting because that's exactly kind of, basically what you're saying, except on a government level, right? We're not going to do that.

As soon as you have somebody in the highest stakes, high up on the food chain say that. Well, it cuts out the entire argument. Instead of them marching in line with it, they're like, no, we're not going to do that. I mean, that's wild to see. It's the era of the rebel. And it's the refined rebel, you know, the prim and proper punks, the perky puns. People who don't, you know, not itching for a fight, but they say, I don't hurt other people.

You're not hurting me. I'm not telling you what to do. You're not telling you what to do. That's the deal. And you can see so many politics. I mean, let's look at Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison. He secretly gave himself five portfolios aside from being prime minister. He did all these things.

He still lost the election. So here are all these people doing absolutely everything to maintain power. And it's like, you know, there are people, we're having Indiana Jones with, you know, like with their figurative gun going, no ninja. That's not happening here. And that's, you can stop these things. Some people get scared. And some people use it as an excuse. well, I was going to be this, you know, instant billionaire, but then, you know, all this

propaganda ruined my life. You can't think that way. You've got to go, okay, what do I want to need in life? This is my goal, and this is how I'm going to reach it. And, you know, somebody can make a threat, and I'm going to just say, that's fine. You go your way. I go mine. And if you're not afraid of the threat, and someone goes, like, you know, they threaten you.

You go, you must have had a really bad day. That's okay. You know, why don't you go? draw a picture to express your sad feelings and I'm going to go, you know, build my world. The more we take control of ourselves and we don't see ourselves as lesser. We don't see ourselves as infants. Things change. So if we're going, yay, I lived another day.

I have things I want to do. I'm going to do them. It's amazing how none of this works. So propaganda is supposed to make you miserable. And if you're going, oh, yay, more propaganda. for me to decipher and to share the people what not to do, you know, well then sooner or later, you know, somebody's going to say, okay, this isn't working. Nobody seems to care.

You know, it's going to be like that overly strict parent and then the kids are spoiled and they never listen to the strict parent anyway. That's how you have to go. You just say, okay, you have your ideas and they're not based in anything in reality. And mine are because I have things to do. Goodbye. And that's how you deal with propaganda. That's how you deal with a lot of things.

When you just have your humor, have your skepticism. So, you know, you question things that you hear. And you ask questions, which are very important. And you're stubborn. So you're defiant. So if someone goes, you have to walk this way. And you go, no, no, I'm going to walk the other way. Maybe we're going to walk.

It's going to take the other way. But you just say, no, you're not telling me where to walk, unless you have a good idea, saying don't walk there because there's a cliff and you'll fall to your death. That's being helpful. But if you're just telling somebody where to go because it's your convenience or you feel like you have no control in your life and you're controlling other people because that's what you think controls about, that doesn't work. So eventually propaganda burns out. So that's what we're starting to see now, the burnout of propaganda and the rise of anti-propaganda.

And that's really exciting that we're using, can use information and communications that even if we are hit by propaganda, we can recognize it, we can turn it around to our benefit. And that's the most important thing. In history, do people go to jail for propaganda, like for perpetuating something that is false or for, you know, coercion, that type of thing? like do people no no yes well no actually it's really funny and for years the United States

had a law that said you can't use prop the American government can't use propaganda on the people and then in 2012 they nullified the law Barack Obama signed a law that said yeah you can use propaganda on American citizens really yes

and all of a sudden they're talking about a disinformation information board, well, are you going to use it on yourself? Because you have a, you know, you repealed the law that said you can't use propaganda on your people. And then they said, no, we can use it on the people. That's a, let's, let's hang on that just for a second. So Barack Obama, in my opinion, uh, in my lifetime has been the best orator I've ever seen. Like he is just fantastic talker. why would he repeal a law that says you can't use propaganda on your own people? Why would he do that? Well, there's reasons why.

And I'm not, it's not, I mean, it's multifaceted. But the basic thing is that this is not just something native to him. Over the years, we are seeing that erosion in 1938 to prevent Nazi propaganda from infiltrating the United States. They had a foreign agency registry act, which is still in play. Any foreign government or person who wants

to use a U.S. PR firm, lobbyist or lawyer, has to register with the U.S. Department of Justice. So if you go on phara.org, you can see every country, every person that's outside the United States. How do you spell that,

Alexander, Farah? F-A-R-A-R-A-A-D-R-A-A-R-A- That is something worth looking. You can spend a lot of time. You can see it and it's in real time. This is still in law. So once upon a time, propaganda, we a lot of times think of, well, we've always had propaganda and it's true. But we've had a, you know, for a while people push to remove propaganda and it works.

Then they try to bring other people try to bring it in play. And then there's a push back. So what we're seeing now is a push back again. against it. But more importantly, what we're seeing is now people being aware of it, looking at the tricks, telling other people where are the tricks, and it's losing its effectiveness. So this is a whole new trajectory, not just pushing back against propaganda, but people now becoming inoculated. So people become their own vaccine against being manipulated. So gaslighting, nudging, siops, propaganda. People are starting to wise up and go, uh-uh, you know, you're not going to demonize these group of people and say they're all the same.

No, you're not going to demonize me. No, I am not the enemy. I care for other people. And you're not going to ruin my life because you want to drive one more Mercedes and at my expense. That's not happening. So once we see the dust settle, we're going to see a difference. different kind of communications where people will not just take a press release or people will take stuff from a press press conference and believe it we're seeing a pushback doesn't have to be everybody

this is where a lot of people it's a sizable minority and that's sizable minority because they're pushing forward they're the ones that are defining tomorrow so all the people with substacks and and podcasts. They're the pioneers today. Five to 20 years in the future, they're going to set what we have. So it's very important that if you're doing this, you're communicating in the public,

what kind of tomorrow are you envisioning? What are you thinking about tomorrow? What is it that you want? Because you're the pioneers that are setting the stage for tomorrow. And one of the things that we're seeing, is we're not falling for propaganda. We're not allowing you to hurt people emotionally. You're making damage.

You're ruining children's lives. And we're not standing for it. So this is what we're seeing now, just the beginnings of it. But this is not something we've ever had historically ever. And I've studied propaganda for 30 years. We have never had so many people so aware of this and know what to look for and study it

and tell other people. This is remarkable. This is actually gives me, you know, we can be very negative on people and say, oh, people are just dumb and no, they're wonderful people. They're smart. They're caring.

They have an instinct. And they're going full force, saying, no, I'm going to take time out of my schedule. And I'm going to explain to you how you're being manipulated. Let's look at this data. Let's see who paid for that. data and what they're gaining. Oh, look, this person has $2 billion more than they did before this.

Well, we don't like that. And that's how you start fighting back. It's not, you know, with fists, it's, and it's not just with brains, but it's also with instinct and it's also with compassion. You know, a part of all this is, you know, talk about the propaganda. and the mental aspect of, you know, feeding yourself full of fear and everything else, right? The other thing I've wondered a lot about is,

like, people's actual, like physical health, you know, like, um, one of the things people pointed out early on is how, uh,

McDonald's and things like that could stay open while, you know, other wellness things got shut down. Um, is that kind of, I don't know the, I don't know how to phrase this. the proper, proper way, but like, is that part of the, the sci-op in itself is the physical side

of this is like, we don't want people to be healthy because then they can think things through. And I know from my personal standpoint, I started moving my body again and started working out, started like just doing positive things. Gee, the amount of just like the weight coming off the shoulders is like unbelievable. And then a healthy body creates the healthy mind, you know, like it just. And all of a sudden, you got a lot more positives rolling around. And for life of me, I cannot figure this out. Why a government doesn't want that?

Because I feel like that would only do good things for your population. Because of how we select a government, this is a campaign, one and zero. And the people who win always see themselves as a one and anybody else as a zero. So there's pecking words. They don't want other people to challenge them. So let's keep everybody down, miserable, dependent. And then, you know, I can rub in my nose how superior I am. I'm the special, beautiful people, and you little people are not.

This is how we don't, let's say, have a democratic conscription, a referendum, where we go, oh, what should we do? Let's hold a referendum. Okay. Who should be in charge of this problem? Well, let's get, you know, Bob, because Bob's really smart. okay, Bob, you're drafted and being our mayor. You have to solve this problem, but anything you say goes.

And Bob goes kicking and screaming going, I don't want to be in power. This is wrong. No, you're the good guy for it because you don't want it. So that's how we've developed people in our system. We don't actually have referendums on questions. A lot of things we could actually figure out ourselves. But because of the structure we have, certain kind of people are attracted to certain positions of power.

Other people are attracted to other positions because of the nature of how we select people. So this is why we have the system that we do. And we talk about democracy. Well, there's a million different ways we can devise a democracy. And we never even tried. How about getting people voting in who they want?

You have a right in ballot. Okay, who's the most qualified for this particular? part. We give them a five-year mandate or a two-year mandate and let them take care of the problem and we'll give feedback. Why don't we have that? Why don't we have referendums? This is where we're going to see a change in things because there's more people. And it all started with journalism. Journalism died. It became a grassroots rebirth where people said, I'm not going to go to a corporation for my news. I'm going to find it myself. That starts in journalism. The communication goes. People see it in other areas and things change that way. So people have now become completely independent of a legacy press. They are now news producers and news consumers. And this is what scared a lot of elites.

The fact is that people said, well, I'm not totally dependent on something big. I can be a one-person newsroom. And they became that. So you're going to start seeing this in other places from education. And we're seeing that in education. You now have people have their own little universities and certifications. And you have things like teachable where it helps you build online courses for people to take. So things are changing and rapidly so.

It's just that we take it for granted. And it starts moving into other areas. Why don't we do it here? why don't we do it here? This is where we're going to see, I'm going to say a very gentle revolution that by the time the death settles, a lot of places will be totally unrecognizable,

but it will be for the better and it can be without bloodshed for the simple reason is people thinking, I don't want other people to get hurt, but we need change. In Canada specifically, do you think it's been, I don't know if slower is the proper,

to way to think about it. I just look at the CBC and actually global and a whole bunch of them, right, where they're getting funding from the government. For the next few years, I can't see this giant change in them because they're getting, I mean, it's literally getting funded from the government. So they're not going to bite the hand that feeds them. But over time, if the next government or any government in the future decides to cut that off, which I hope they do, because then you would get a real resurgence in journalism, would you know it? Because you'd have to give the story, you'd have to, I'm no, I'm no perfect individual by any stretch of imagination. Nobody is. Nobody is. But if you started to have journalism, like you say, have a resurgence, where you took some of the stuff that's on substack, some of the stuff that's in podcast, and that started to form what the CBC or whatever its iteration becomes, if there is future iterations of it, you might see a popularity boom back into it, which would allow it to have fun. funding again? Or like, I mean, to be popular where the funding would happen. None of these places are, none of these places are going to be left standing because it starts

with substack. It starts with a podcast. Things get bigger and bigger and they grow. They will be replaced. The government will only funds this because they think that they can get a message out. And this is not what's happening. Audiences eroding. Audiences are eroding. And we're seeing just how small audiences are. For instance, Discovery took over Warner Brothers and they're just cutting HBO Mac shows because there were shows, for instance, that had zero viewers,

not a single person watched, but they still had to pay for everything. So when they see that things happen and these media outlets are not doing what they're supposed to, that funding goes. And they'll, and they fall. And what you're going to have is now people are getting in the habit of going,

did you read that substack? People send me all sorts of things now. It used to be, you know, people complaining with legacy journalism. Not people send me, did you see this cool article in substack? Did you see this? Did you see this? Did you see this? Did you listen to this podcast?

It's brilliant. And that, I was like two years ago. That's not what I got. Now people, when they send me stuff, it's, oh, isn't this brilliant? People are excited about, you know, the podcast they listen to, the streams they listen to, the YouTube channels, and all sorts of different things, different blogs, different, even channels, social media channels. It's changing and it starts slow, but when it catches fire, it goes fast. So we're not going to, global news used to be Ken West.

It used to have other iterations. And then it kept being bought out by someone else, bought out by someone else. It keeps changing. What we're going to see is probably we're going to have different big media, not big media outlets, but alternative media from, let's say, the prairies, from Ontario, from Quebec, from the maritime. But it's going to be different than what we have now, because people are going to learn to like to be independent and informing people. And, you know, you are your own boss. You're talking about your perceptions of reality. You can have other people an interview. So it's more texture. All the media, legacy media,

they march lockstep. It's absolutely the same. You don't have any quirks. You don't have anything to stimulate you intellectually, emotionally. And you have now podcasts and stuff, you're going, oh, this is interesting. This is interesting.

This is interesting. I've got to read this. I got to read that. That used to be how I used to read news 20, 30 years ago. Now it's all in terms of independent press. And that That's what we're seeing. More independent people who have ideas, who are getting practice, who are getting their own style, who are doing things that have never been done before.

This is what's exciting now. From that rubble, you know, comes a phoenix. But that phoenix is not the old guard. It's a whole new guard. And some people are younger. Some people are, you know, in their 70s and they have a substack and it's fascinating. something people are, you know, have a doctorate and some people have a high school education and you don't care. You love what you see.

Well, it's talent, right? Like, if they're talented, you do. Some of the smartest people I know never went to school to get their PhD. No. It's the hard knocks life, so to speak, right? Like, they have a very interesting perspective and have a way of cutting through bullshit real fast. And certainly there's educated people are the same way. Yeah, well, a lot of times in education, it restricts your thinking. And when you're out in the world and the world is your laboratory, it expands your thinking. This is why I went into journalism to study journalism. Now, I could have gone and been a professor of this studying this from the outside. I never would have gotten any of the insights,

insights that I did. I went into the world world. How does journalism function? Well, there's one way to find out, become a journalist. Do the same things. My paycheck came from whatever media outlet I worked with, worked for. So this is why I knew so much of the scaffolding of journalism because I had a psych degree. My undergraduate degree was in psychology. I went into journalism to conduct hundreds of studies on what went wrong with journalism and how to improve it. So the real world is my playground and it was my laboratory. And that's why we are seeing such an interesting plurality in new journalism. It's not just citizen journalism.

It's independent journalism. And some people don't even see themselves as journalists. You're putting people on to put their point of view, to put their knowledge. You've become a journalist. Congratulations. But it's not the same and it shouldn't be the same. They made mistakes. We don't have to make the same mistakes as those people in the past.

And I think that's something really exciting. It's just that people on top don't want you to feel good, so they'll say bad things to make you feel bad. That should be a badge of honor, and people should wear it with pride. Yeah, I really like how you put that there. There's a lot of people that are turning in the journalists, certainly along my road, I go back to a conversation with Judy Reeves.

She was the lady who survived the perfect storm back in 1991. And she's like, you're a journalist or something along that lines, And I'm like, oh, God, don't. I don't know if I thought that was a negative thing to call someone or something, but I listen back to that interview a few times. And I'm just, I'm so caught off guard about that word because I just, I don't associate it with this form of conversation, right? Like, I just, I don't, journalism is in my brain is, you know, like writing short little pieces. And in that as journalism in my brain, as silly as that sounds. that's just what I equate to journalism, right?

And yet the overall being of what a journalist is pretty much covers a wide berth of different forms. And this is certainly a form of journalism. One just never equated it to. And the other thing I might think about a journalist is that you have to go to school to do it. You have to go earn a degree that says you're a journalist to be a journalist, you know?

there's no, you know, there's no empirical standards. There's no, you don't have to go to J school to be a journalist. I went to Western. That's where I got my MA in journalism. But you don't, it was a year intensive. You know, you have people going to Columbia J school spending $150,000 for nine months in this program. And that's not journalism. They don't learn, they don't learn things that would be very helpful.

And the neat thing is when you don't think of yourself as, a journalist and you're going through it. You learn different things. You're not put blinders on. So J-School will put the blinders on you and say, this is what you're going to do. You do it because it's an instinct. You're going to go here, you're going to go there,

you're going to do all sorts of things that they should have done but didn't because somebody told them not to. And that's why we're going to see an explosion of journalism. It's going to become its own currency. It's not going to be just informing people. It will be libraries based on people, being journalists, making a journalistic library for people to get information that they can't get anywhere, or have public inquiries. The government won't hold a public inquiry. Well, we have people who became independent journalists, and they can hold the inquiry.

We can do crowdsourcing. We can do all sorts of things. We can even develop our own version of crypto by using the information we get instead of mining. So journalism is just in its infancy of a rebirth, and it will have no bearing to what we think. We should just not even think of the old guard as journalism. We should say, what are the new hip edgy kids doing? This is where we're going to go. And that's why I say people who have audiences, who have a substack and stuff,

should think, what kind of tomorrow do I want? You don't have to build it and you don't have to preach. You just do the fabulous things you're doing now, except you think, what when I go, when it's my time to go, you know, to wherever, what do I leave behind? What's my legacy? And it doesn't have to be self-grandizing or important. It can be one little grain, but that one little grain makes all the difference. And this is where we're going to see people who are independent citizen journalists go next.

They're going to think about tomorrow because journalists, we're always about the now. What now, now, now, you know, competition. And they get burned out and crash and they're miserable. people who are independent should think, okay, what is it? I have this nifty thing. I can do this. I have a love for this. What is it that I can do with this? How am I going to parlay this into something else without actually changing anything I do? Am I going to get people to understand things better? Am I going to help people who are dispossessed? Or am I going to help people kind of wake up from the slumber and not be afraid. That's the type of things that we can do to help other people and ourselves and make sure

we can include ourselves in that equation. So with all this prop again, it did absolutely everything to help people who stood up to me. And a lot of times, you know, I say, you know, you want to thank these people. Thank you for being miserable, except they hurt too many people. They hurt too many people. They have to be held accountable for what they did to people who actually believed it, who became homeless, who ended up in psychological distress, who lost their jobs, whose families alienated them. They owe a whole lot of, you know, they whole owe these people. But for those of us who didn't, they, you know, we can thank them. Thank you for awakening up that part of me that I didn't know existed and that I'm actually very proud of.

That's not what they want to hear. So a lot of times, you know, people go, well, these people are miserable. Yeah. So don't be miserable yourself. Find a way. Take their misery and make something positive out of it. You know, when they say life gives you lemons, make lemonade. And that's, you know, a very good, you know, life gives you propaganda.

Make an empire that inoculates others against propaganda. That's perfectly okay. or, you know, make something positive. So you have these negative people throwing things at you and you make something positive. They have given you a gift. That's not what they want. They want to siphon resources off you. They want to harvest you, make control you, manipulate you, make you miserable, make you afraid, make you doubt yourself,

make you feel that you're imperfect. We're all imperfect. That's the one thing we all have in common. Nobody's perfect. And what the heck does even perfect mean? Does that mean Botox and, you know, all sorts of things? No, I don't want that. I don't need that kind of perfection in my life.

I like me just the way I am. I don't care. You know, people say, you have this flaw. Yes, but it's my flaw and I love it. And I'm going to nurture it and it's going to be my friend. And I don't care what you think about my flaw. I like it. And if it needs to be fixed, I will fix it, but it's none of your business.

So once we learn not to worry if we have flaws, you know, that's when the propaganda starts losing control. You're helpless. Like, no, I'm not. I'm not helpless. How am I helpless? How am I helpless? Well, you're going to die, you know, of this disease. You know, in 2018, I had ovarian cancer.

They told me I was going to die. I didn't. I survived and I'm okay, you know. and life went on for me. I was given a death sentence in 2018, and I said, you know what? I have things to do. I made peace with the fact I was going to die.

I didn't die. Something weird happened, and through dumb luck, I was saved, and I didn't even need chemo or radiation. They just took it out. But I thought about myself in that hospital day because they didn't stitch me up.

And it was a mess. And I thought, okay, I'm burned out. I'm crashed because when I had cancer, my mother had it at the same time. We were diagnosed three weeks apart. Both of us are fine now. What is wrong? And how can I make it right?

I had a lot of negatives, came out positive. And I can laugh about that time. I'm healed that I can laugh about that. So when people are afraid of propaganda, think of something in your life that really happened bad, somebody you loved that was lost. would they want you to feel sad and miserable or would they want you to be happy? And when you think about that, you owe yourself, you owe your family, you owe your ancestors, your friends, your pets, a healthy attitude.

Nobody has the right to make you unhealthy. Not physically, because if you're physically unwell, you're missing vitamins and minerals and you can't think you're and emotionally and everything else. Nobody has the right. That's a violation of your emotional rights. Nobody has the right to make you miserable for no reason. So they have something to brag out, bribe to their fake friends.

They don't have a right to do that. So propaganda, as soon as somebody scares you, you say, oh, well, them's the breaks. World explodes at 10, details at 11. I move on with my life. I have to ask, you know, anytime you drop a bomb in my world of two things, the first, though, is definitely the cancer.

You said because of weird dumb luck. What does that mean? How did you get saved because of weird dumb luck? Well, because I didn't have any symptoms. And anyway, I had something really weird happen. And I had a minor cosmetic ingrown hair. My mother goes, well, she just got diagnosed with cancer. You should go to the doctor because, you know, that could be cancer.

I'm like, it's an ingrown hair. She kept bugging me, bugging me, bugging me. Okay, I'll go to the doctor. Doctor knew because we had the same doctor. she was like, yeah, I'm going to give you an ultrasound just to make your mother at ease. Okay. Because that was the most unobtrusive thing and my mother was worried about everything. And the doctor called back.

They said, you need a blood test. And I said, what kind of blood test? They go for cancer. I had no symptoms. And I went to the doctor and she said, you have ovarian cancer and it's not the good kind. usually people in this position, you know, the ones that you have, don't live past five years. So I had to go for emergency surgery and I was told, you know, don't be optimistic. Well, there was a benign tumor covering this cancer.

So it didn't spread and they cut it off and they said, everything's fine. You're good to go. So from being there to being okay It was a shock to me too And I didn't expect it And you never know what happens tomorrow This is why I say to people, live your life As if tomorrow the doctor drops a bomb on you

Because you may not have another tomorrow So when people are afraid And this is why I think propaganda is so insidious you're ruining people's life. Life is short. It's not like we live forever. It doesn't matter of people think they're going to live forever because of whatever reason.

You're not going to live forever. You have so many days on this earth and somebody has the nerve to manipulate you and take away those days because that's all they're doing. They're taking away your days. And that's not acceptable. This is why I say propaganda is one of the worst forms of communication. It's abusive.

it's in a violation of emotional rights. How many people died in the last two years who never got to see their life loved ones because they were in isolation? And this includes children. How many people will never, you know, meet the person that they probably would have gotten along with the best because of it? How many people ended up, you know,

in abusive situations that they couldn't get out of because everything was locked down? This is what propaganda does. This is why I say, when the Qadda settles, the people who purported this, they're going to have trials. There will be Nuremberg trials. There will be people made to answer. Why did you steal so many days from innocent people?

I don't care if they're naive. You know, naive is not a criminal offense. There's no law against being gullible or being naive or being too trusting. That's not a crime. What is a crime is when you go in and you hurt somebody for no reason? There was no reason to scare people. There was no reason to hurt people. There was no reason for any of this.

I don't care if bombs are falling. Maybe I'm going, you know, you can't risk. I'm going to risk it because maybe there's somebody I love on the other side and I'd rather take the risk because that's where my heart wants to go. This is why it's so important for independent outlets to do their wonderful thing, to speak the truth, to talk about reality, to find facts, and to just do it naturally and organic because no one has the right to take your voice away, no one has the right to demonize you or question your good intentions.

If they don't like it, they can leave. What people need to do is just go on with their life and vow that every day they're going to find something to make them laugh. Go see funny animals on YouTube. Go tell a joke. Do something to know. make you laugh because the more you laugh, the more your neurobiology changes, the more you can see things. Be active. Go for a walk. You know, socialize. Try a hobby. Do something with your life. You know, I don't care if all you have or popsicle sticks to make a piece of art. Do something

for you and not worry if some elite is going to put you down because you're living your life your own in your own way on your own terms. That's why propaganda can never be allowed into your brain, into your soul, into your heart, because it just siphons and harvests your resources, makes you think about other things instead of your life, your family, your friends, your future. I appreciate that. That's a beautiful way to put it, Alexander. I appreciate that thought. I think out of everything we've talked about here coming in the last few minutes, that might be the best thing you've said, the entire thing, not to take away anything you said for the first bet.

But that was a very beautiful way to put it. I've kept you a long time. And I apologize, I just looked at the clock. I'm like, oh, man, we've been going for some time. It's been, as you can tell, very, very enjoyable. Do I have you for a couple more minutes? I don't mean to eat up all your morning. Sure.

Okay. No problem. One of the things you said was you went to Western. Is this the same Western that is in the news headlines right now? Yes. It's the same Western where they're having, you know, and they have student protests which made me happy. That's interesting because they almost closed the program the year before I went.

And the dean then, Peter Debra, I had a protest with students on the campus and they had to, they didn't close the program. So I'm very happy to see students unleash their righteousness and stand up for the rights. So yeah, that's the Western in the news. But I'm also very happy to see students fighting for the rights. That made me even doubly happy to see that they're standing up for themselves. And that's a good thing.

Yeah, well, to the listener, if you don't know what I'm talking about, Western University came out requiring boosters to anyone returning to campus in the fall. and that has sparked, well, as you say, protests and a huge outcry. And so it's been interesting to watch that unfold because, you know, I, you know, I assume everything is going to go back to the way it was. But that's going to take time, I assume, and people standing up to it because you like to think everything's back to the, you know, we've had a couple of months since the freedom convoy where things have been kind of falling back.

But you also have the old guard and everything else trying to hold on and put forth what they've done for the last two years. And Western is the first one that's really made the headlines where I've seen some public backlash and everything else. And deservingly so. I mean, you know, the students, you know, have to work hard to give money. And a lot of them end up in debt. And they don't give a money to an institution to be jerked around that way. And, you know, a lot of times places tend to forget. You get a little bit. of power, but you have to relinquish some to the people who gave you a little bit of theirs. That's true leadership.

Leadership isn't telling people, you have to do this. You have to do that because of my say so. That's not leadership. Leadership is seeing what needs to be done for tomorrow and then get people to want to do what needs to be done. As soon as it's gratuitous, that's not leadership. So we're seeing an academic institution that needs a little bit of humility and some training on what actual leadership entails.

You listen to your students. You listen to what people in the neighborhood community need, the people who, you know, what is it that we need? You don't just issue decrees and say, well, you have to do this because we say so. That's very childish. And that's not something you should have in a leadership, bossing people around like that,

thinking, you know, you disrupted the last two years of a lot of students' lives. And I wonder how many of university students had to drop out and couldn't go back because of what happened. So this is something that we need further discussion on. And we need to look at how we determine leadership in certain places. And how do we make sure that we don't have a repeat of 2020 ever again? Well, this has been, like I say, a fascinating hour and change now. I want to slide into the Crude Master final question brought to you by Crude Master Heath and Tracy McDowell,

supporters of the podcast at the very beginning. It's had its different iterations through the course of 300 plus episodes, and I was listening back to what I did in May, and I've already changed it since then, so I had to chuckle. I'm using He's words, and it said, if you're going to stand behind a cause that you think is right, then stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Alexander stands behind? I stand behind people's emotional rights. We talk about all sorts of rights.

We don't talk about our emotional rights. Our rights to have our feelings, to express our feelings, to follow and trust the judgment of our feelings. We talk about a lot of things. I think in the future, one thing that we're going to talk about is going to be violating people's emotional rights. What does that mean? How does that happen?

And how do we prevent people from being made miserable for somebody else's financial? gain. Well, this has been, I'm glad I brought you back on, Alexander. There's been so much talk of just different things. And you've really put a lot of new thoughts in my brain, which I'm going to have to wrestle with again over the next few months. But I've really enjoyed sitting with you. And I hope it's been enjoyable for you as well.

And I look forward probably to the next time we come on. You know, I'm just, I'm laughing in my head as this goes along. And I'm like, you know what a fun segment would be, would be every few, months, bring Alexander on, give the, you know, the, the things that are going on in the world, and let's just talk about them. Because for a lady who spends her time working on propaganda, disseminating it, and just trying to figure out, you know, the different influences, that type of thing. I think a lot of us are trying to do that, right? I think that's exactly what, you know, you're trying to, you know, sift through the headlines and what's going on and figure

out what, you know, truth. And I put that in parentheses because, I mean, a lot of us have our different areas and different perspectives and blah, blah, blah, blah. But who knows where this leads, but I thoroughly enjoy you coming on and giving me some of your time and certainly a lot of your thoughts. And we'll see what the audience things of it, but I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Me too. Thank you for having me on again. I thoroughly enjoyed these as well. It's not just it's me. Well, thanks, Alexandra. Thank you.