Shaun Newman Podcast - #313 - Dr. William Makis

Episode Date: September 9, 2022

He is a Nuclear Medicine Physician who was formerly employed by the Cross Cancer Institute in Edmonton. We discuss AHS & the college of physicians, how he once helped with life saving cancer treatment, his lawsuits that he has been a part of for 6+ years and monitoring the deaths in healthy doctors.  November 5th SNP Presents: QDM & 2's.   Get your tickets here: https://snp.ticketleap.com/snp-presents-qdm--222-minutes Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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This is Dr. William Macchus, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Dr. William Macchus. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on. Thank you very much for having me. Did I pronounce the last name right? I meant to ask before we started, but I was like, you know, I feel like I got it. I got it nailed down, but maybe I don't.

Yeah, that's right. It's Macchus. Oh, perfect. Well, to some of the listeners, they've certainly heard who you are. To others, maybe not. So maybe we can just start with your background and you can go as far back as you want or, you know, play around with it however you want, William, and we'll start there. Sure.

I'm 43 years old. I was born in Czechoslovakia. And in 1988, my parents decided to immigrate to Canada. So we went through a United Nations refugee camp in Yugoslavia, where we stayed for a year, came to Canada in 1989. And I then did my undergrad schooling at University of Toronto. I obtained an honors bachelor in immunology. Then I obtained my medical degree at McGill University in Montreal, and I did the rest of my medical training at McGill University as well.

I specialized in radiology and oncology. Nuclear medicine is the subspecialty. I then practiced for a few years in Brandon, Manitoba, where I was director of the Nuclear Medicine Department of the Brandon Regional Health Center. And I was diagnosing mainly cardiac diseases, but also I was doing bone scans, bone density scans, and so on. And then there was a job opportunity that came up in Edmonton at the Cross Cancer Institute to run a big cancer treatment program that had been developed here.

So I jumped at the opportunity. I sold my house in Manitoba and took my family and came to Edmonton. So I took over this cancer program at Cross Cancer Institute. I was diagnosing about 4,000 cancer patients a year, and I had 200 cancer patients under my care with rare cancer called neuroendocrine cancer that we treated with our cutting edge treatments. And after a few years, AHS decided that it was not in Alberta's interest for this program to exist.

So they came after me and my medical practice. They had me removed from the Cross Cancer Institute with a few fake complaints and then essentially tried to pay me off and have me leave Alberta so they could shut down the program. I fought back. For about a year, I fought to get back to work and I was willing to ignore what they had done and through their lawyers they absolutely would not relent and when it became clear that they were just running out my contract and I was getting paid I was getting paid about $50,000 to sit at home and do nothing by AHS and they said if you

set foot into the Cross Cancer Institute and try to treat your patients we will have security remove you. We will suspend your hospital privileges. We will come after your medical license. And that's when I decided, okay, I need to file a lawsuit against AHS. And I filed a lawsuit for $13.5 million in damages in October 2016. Then they came after my medical license. So they recruited the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta to get my medical license. suspended by any means possible. They fabricated a complaint. They dragged me through hearings. They threatened my family. They threatened me financially. And eventually they managed to just suspend my medical license as well. So I've been in a legal battle with Alberta Health Services

and the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta ever since. It's been dragging on for almost six years now. Okay. That was a lot. And I'm scribbling things here as we go along. I apologize to listener, but for me, I'm, who am I kidding? I don't know why I even need to apologize. I sit on this side and I'm fascinated by history and different life-changing events and certainly you just outlined a whole bunch of life-changing events that have happened along the way. So I just want to slow down almost, if you will, William, and just talk about a couple different things here as we go. I want to get to the Cross Cancer Institute and everything that happened there.

But I really am interested. You mentioned immigrating in 1988 at a young age. I think if math, well, I'm trying to figure this out, were you nine, eight somewhere in there? Yeah, I was nine years old. What sticks out to you back then about immigrating to Canada? You know, in the 80s, there was a lot going on in Eastern Europe. Could you shed some light for the average listener?

Maybe knows a lot. maybe doesn't. And I don't know, as a nine-year-old, did you, you know, are there things you just recall, like, you know, immediately? Yeah, it was, it was just before the fall of the Berlin Wall. And I remember at the time, no one really had any idea that that was going to happen. So, you know, in 1988, in communist Czechoslovakia, it was business as usual. Communism was in full swing. And so when my parents made a decision to emigrate, they actually didn't tell me. Because if I had said it in school, my parents would have been arrested and put in jail. So I had no idea that we were immigrating. My parents said, look, we're going for a vacation

to Yugoslavia. Back then, people in the Eastern Bloc could only travel within the Eastern block. So if you were in communist Czechoslovakia, you could travel to Russia, you could travel to Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, but you know, you couldn't travel to the west. So people would take their vacations in other Eastern European countries and that's what we did. My parents packed up the car and we went to Yugoslavia for, you know, a couple of weeks vacation. At least that's what I thought. And once in Yugoslavia, my dad had gone to the United Nations office, the local United Nations office, and applied for refugee status. And they said, okay, we'll put you in a refugee camp, and then you'll have interviews with the Canadian embassy,

and, you know, if they take you, they take you, if not, you know, you have to stay in the refugee camp. So we went to a refugee camp. This was just outside of Belgrade in Serbia. And, you know, we had a tiny little room for the whole family. And there were families there who had escaped from, you know, Romania and Bulgaria, Czech Republic. They had lived there for five, six years. There were kids that were born in the refugee camp. I honestly remember it as a fairly pleasant experience.

As a kid, you know, you're outside all day. You're running around in the fields, playing with the local. kids, you know, you don't realize, you know, the seriousness of the situation. We weren't hungry. And I, you know, would spend half the day, you know, taking English lessons and learning English. And then, you know, the rest of the time I'd be playing outside. So did you, did you, sorry, did you ever, like, after you've immigrated and you get older? Did you talk to your parents about that? Like, about the decision to, you know, like, if we get caught, this isn't good. And what led them to, like, we have to do this?

Yeah. It was, my dad was a university professor, and he had gotten on the radar of the Communist Party because he had gone to Japan for a couple of years for an exchange program. And he was supposed to go to Africa as well to set up, work on a computer, you know, setting up a computer network.

And at the time, the communist party freaked out the officials. And they said, absolutely not. You're not leaving Czechoslovakia again. And I think that really frightened my dad that we were now sort of, you know, on the radar of these communist bureaucrats. So, you know, being concerned that, you know, who knows what might happen to us in the future, he said, okay, we're just going to pack up and go. And, you know, I understand their decision. And I also understand them not telling me about it because, you know, as a kid, you have no idea.

You're going to tell your friends at school and before you know it. Your parents are in jail, right? And that was a serious concern back then. I mean, I don't know if you ever. Isn't that a wild sentence, you know? A kid says something. Your parents are in jail and it's talking about escaping a country. Well, and if you remember back then, you know, people that were trying to get over the,

the Berlin Wall, they were still being shot. Right? So it was, you know, by 80s, communism had relaxed a bit compared to the way it was in the 50s and 60s, but people were still getting shot for trying to leave the country, right? So it was, you know, it was serious. People were still being put in jail. So I understand, you know, I understand them not telling me.

It was a rough, it was a bit of a rough transition because you go from, you know, one day you're in, you know, Slovakia playing with your friends. And then next day, you know, you're learning English in a, in a refugee camp. And then, you know, you're in Canada, a brand new country where you've just learned the language and, you know, you're thrown into a brand new place. So it was a bit of an adjustment. But, you know, I understand why they did it. And of course, it was for, you know, for my parents to give me a better life. And, and they, you know, they made that sacrifice and took the risk. Well, fast forward, well, it wouldn't be quite 32 years. It'd be a little less than that

because obviously, or a little more than that, sorry, you mentioned you've been in a lawsuit for six years now against AHS, correct? Yes. So fast forward then about 37 years, roughly. And once again, I'm doing mental math on this side. Did you ever think you be at a position in Canada where you're now, you know, in lawsuits against H.S. You're kind of, you know, like from what I can see of following you and seeing different avenues, you're pretty much blackballed from all media, right? I mean, you're not getting a headline on CBC or global or, you know, you get the point. And I see a smirking.

And believe me, I see that smirking off a lot from where I sit because we kind of give a voice to the people who are kicked down to the side, so to speak. And so, you know, I see you start to pop up in some different areas, but, you know, did you ever think in those years you would be where you're sitting right now? Not at all. Honestly, my dad had taught me to, you know, if you work hard, you know, you'll be successful and all you have to do is just work hard. And he followed that mantra his whole life. He's a math professor at the University of Toronto in the Department of Engineering. He's retired now, but he's worked hard his whole life. And I followed the same, you know, the same path in a sense.

I went, I grew up in Toronto. I went to University of Toronto. I took the hardest courses at University of Toronto. I, you know, I did an immunology degree, which was very hard at the time. I went to the hardest med school in Canada. And so my goal really was just to work hard. you know, and do what I had trained for, what I was good at. And that's the path I followed.

I mean, that's why I came to Alberta. And so the idea that I would be in lawsuits or, you know, fighting with authorities that never occurred to me. And in fact, I did everything possible to avoid this path and to avoid lawsuits. I mean, I have documents going back years where I I was really pleading with HHS, with the college. I had sent letters to every politician in Alberta, whether it was Rachel Notley or Sarah Hoffman or Jason Kenny, Tyler Shandrow,

you name it. They know every politician in Alberta knows what happened to me. They can play dumb and they can pretend they don't know. They all know because they all received all the information that, you know, I, that I'd given them. So this is not the path I wanted. This is the path that I was forced into. And, you know, I told my wife, I said, you know, rather than let them steamroll all over me,

I'll just retire. I will quit medicine. And that's it because, you know, what they did to me, I mean, you know, it's me aside. What they did to my patients is horrendous. I mean, most of my patients are dead because. of what Alberta Health Services and the college did, and they did it deliberately. They had my program shut down deliberately, intentionally. They knew these were end-stage cancer patients who had no other treatment options.

They knew it. They eliminated the program anyways. They let those patients suffer and die. Many of them couldn't get proper cancer imaging after I was removed. And the ones, you know, who were getting treatments, couldn't get the treatments anymore. You know, we had an 85 to 90% response rate with our treatments where the vast majority of those stage 4 cancer patients were cured. They removed that treatment. They made it unavailable in Alberta.

So it's really not, it's not about me as much as it's the horrific things they've done to my patients that I just cannot let them get away with it. Okay, let's talk about that then because I don't, I'm no expert in cancer. I want to make that adamantly clear. But when you say 85% with stage four, stage four is not good. Yeah. And 85% effectiveness means what exactly? So 85% response rate means that the tumor, the tumors stopped growing. and stayed that way.

Or the tumor shrank and disappeared completely. And now this is a specific type of cancer. So this is neuroendocrine cancer that we treated with a targeted radiation therapy that was injected. So we have a radiation emitting molecule that, sorry, radiation emitting hair, atom that's linked to a molecule that's injected and then that molecule delivers the radiation to the receptor on the tumor cells, kills the tumor cells. You avoid any normal tissue damage or there's very minimal tissue damage. So it's extremely well tolerated. And because you're able to target the tumor cells directly, you're able to basically stop their growth, stop their

reproduction of the cells. Many cases, you can eliminate the tumor, entirely. So yes, we were getting 85% response rate where the cancer was either halted or cured in those specific types of cancers. Now, they have now developed that treatment for prostate cancer and they're very close to developing it in breast cancer as well. So you can see where this is going. I was treating rare cancers. I was on salary at AHS. It didn't matter. It didn't matter. whether I treated 10 patients, 100 patients, or 1,000 patients, I get paid the same, right? In fact, I would book up my day, top to bottom, to treat as many patients as possible. Health Canada had approved us for about 400 patients, but we could have expanded that.

I was getting patients from all across Canada. In fact, I was getting emails from the U.S. and Australia begging us to take their patients because they didn't have the treatment at the time. and I couldn't because of, you know, the rules, I could only treat Canadian patients, but our referral center was for all of Canada. So this is an amazing, it's called medical isotope, medical isotope targeted therapy. It's a brand new thing. It is a beautiful treatment.

It's highly successful. It's not that expensive even compared to chemo. I mean, our treatments cost maybe $5,000 a dose, which is nothing when you compare it to some of the chemotherapy that's out there or even some of the immunotherapy that they're what is it what is chemotherapy cost I once again I'm illiterate on this matter well it varies but you know you're talking tens of thousands in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars okay for a course of treatment and this was you know five thousand dollars a pop paid paid for by health Canada so um really it wasn't costing aHS anything except manpower I assume you're seeing the desperate people with

being told, you know, basically at stage four, like, you know, I don't know what that equates for time-wise, but, you know, there's very little hope. And what you're talking about is almost miraculous. Is it not? It is. And really in cancer treatment, the biggest problem is, is finding a way to target the tumor specifically, you know, without damaging the surrounding normal tissue. And, And, you know, with chemo, yes, the chemo is getting better over time, but you're still blasting the bone marrow. You're still, you know, blasting normal tissues. You know, that's why, you know, people's hair still falls out when they have chemotherapy,

is you're doing a lot of damage to normal tissue, whereas targeted treatments, you're really targeting just the tumor itself. You're also targeting cells that you may not even see on a scan, on a CT or everything. MRI or PETCT, you know, very, very small tumors that you won't see on imaging, you're targeting them as, you're targeting them as well because you're injecting the radiation into the bloodstream. So it will get delivered. The targeting molecule will bind the receptors on the cell. And all you need to do is find the right targeting molecule for the right tumor cell. And you can literally treat almost any cancer. Like I said, this is new. It's, you know, now they're estimating that this, this, treatment family is going to be worth, you know, four or five billion dollars globally in the next year or two. That's expected to grow to $20 billion. So there is a financial incentive.

Incentive behind this, especially when you talk about common cancers like prostate cancer and breast cancer. I was treating neuroendocrine cancers, so people have really left me alone in the sense that it's a rare cancer. There wasn't that many patients. Certainly there was no financial incentive for anyone to try to steal it.

So they're like, yeah, whatever. Let's dump, you know, all our patients on Macus, let him deal with these complex cases and do the treatments as soon as the discovery was made that this could be used to treat prostate cancer. That's when they realized, oh, this has way too much potential. and unfortunately for me, and I didn't know that, obviously, this was going to happen. The federal government had an interest in funding this in British Columbia, not in Alberta. So a few years after I was removed, there was a photo op in November 2018 at BC Cancer and Triumph, UBC, where Justin Trudeau came personally and hand-delivered a $10 million check to the vice president of research of BC cancer.

It was a huge photo-up. I think some of the mayors in BC were there to basically start a carbon copy of our program that had been eliminated by NDP. and very shortly after the federal government committed $300 million to this program in British Columbia. And you know what? That's great. I mean, I'm happy that this cutting-edge cancer treatments are being funded by the federal government and that one day it'll be available at least to British Columbia cancer patients. but they didn't have to destroy our program in the process. And I get it. They want to call themselves the only facility in Canada doing this.

They've already called themselves a global leader, even though they haven't done a single treatment yet. I've done hundreds of treatments. My counterparts in British Columbia at BC Cancer have done none, and they're calling themselves global leaders in this technology. They're building a beautiful $30 million facility. called Iami, which is the, like an advanced institute for molecular imaging. I think that's opening this year.

So the money is flowing to BC. And like I said, I have no problem with that, except that they didn't need to destroy our cancer program in Alberta, because they left Alberta. They threw Alberta cancer patients under the bus so that they could build these programs in BC instead. Why did they do that? I ask that question with true curiosity because I just, I look at helping people and like doing, I don't know, at this point, I feel like I'm so naive to a lot of things, but I go, you've just done something miraculous, been a part of something miraculous that can be, you know, when the big bad boogeyman of cancer gets talks about, like you can offer a lot of hope to a lot of different people and you're talking about this technology and how, you know, over time as it's developed into, uh, more common cancers, more people are going to get help from it, essentially, is what you're saying. And yet, instead of going down that road and why couldn't BC have part of it and why can't

Alberta have part of it? Why can't Manitoba do there? Why wouldn't all provinces adopt this? I guess I don't understand. The sense that I got, I spoke, I had several private conversations with a formal president of BC cancer, who was on some level involved. involved in the program in BC, at least getting commitment from politicians and getting financial commitments as well. The sense that I got was that, A, they wanted a monopoly, B, they wanted to call

themselves global leaders. So you can't call yourself a global leader in a cancer treatment program that had been started by somebody else. And, you know, with a program in Alberta that's run much longer than theirs has. But the most important thing I think is that they desperately want to create a parallel private system with this technology where they were actually going to charge for prostate cancer treatment. They were going to charge $100,000 or something in that region per treatment. It was going to be private.

It was, you know, they were going to call it the Institute of Personalized, medicine or precision medicine in British Columbia. They were trying to get it located in the, there's a very large complex, medical complex, and I believe it's in Surrey, BC called Innovation Boulevard, where there are entire skyscrapers that are going up that have nothing but pharmaceutical companies in them. And I believe the goal is basically to create like a Silicon Valley

of healthcare in Canada, in Surrey, BC. And they were trying to get, I think they were trying to buy up an entire floor to have private clinics using this cancer treatment technology. So, you know, they're trying to monetize this. And again, why wouldn't, why wouldn't Alberta fight that though? I assume, you know, money is a huge incentive for a lot of people. Makes a lot of the world go around. Why wouldn't Alberta fight BC or whoever on this, right?

If they just discovered the cure for select cancers, and so to speak, or maybe a lot of cancers over time, why wouldn't Alberta fight harder for this? I mean, wouldn't anyone want to have their name on that? Yeah. So now we get into the murky politics of Alberta Health Services, the executives, the vice presidents. When just a few months before I was removed, I was called into the office of the head of AHS Cancer Care.

This was Dr. Matthew Parliament. He was the provincial head of the cancer division of AHS in Alberta. And at the time, he was also the director, the medical director of the Cross Cancer Institute as well. So he had both positions. He had been appointed by, Rachel Notley and Sarah Hoffman in the summer of 2015. Now, a lot of people won't know there was a huge scandal just after the NDP were elected in 2015

where they took a long serving conservative director of AHS cancer care, Dr. Paul Grundy, and they publicly fired him. They didn't give him a reason. He had no idea what had happened, why they had fired him. they had just fired him, told him to pack up his bags and leave. Dr. Paul Grundy, anyone can look this up. There's CBC articles about it. And then they installed Dr. Matt Parliament, who was their guy for this.

He had called me into his office in late 2015, and he said, listen, I don't like you working on these cancer programs. It's costing us money. It's costing us money. It's costing the Cross Cancer Institute money. It's bleeding money from the radiology department because it was located in the radiology department at the time. It's bleeding money from our department. We don't think it really works that well.

We don't really want you to work on it. Why don't you focus more on your diagnostics? And, you know, I had a big diagnostic practice as well. I was doing the most PET-CT scans, cancer diagnostic PET-CT scans of any radiologist in Alberta. at the time as well. And so he was kind of trying to push me out of it. And, you know, I was, I was very naive and kind of dumb at the time. And I thought, like, what are you talking about? Like, I've got responsibilities. I've got patients booked coming to see me for months into the future. I can't just, what am I going to do? I can't just say, hey, you know, I'm not going to

treat these cancer patients anymore. So I kind of said, okay, well, you know, okay, Julie noted, but I went on with my business as usual, right? And it was he who had then secretly arranged my forceful removal from the Cross Cancer Institute. He had literally arranged with the security at the Cross Cancer Institute. There was a whole security team waiting. When I came after Christmas holidays in 2015, I came back to work. They literally had an entire team of security waiting to remove me. And I had found out that he had orchestrated my removal and did everything possible to have me smeared,

to have me falsely accused of nonsense, and really to ensure that I could never come back. He authorized the payout of the rest of my AHS contract where I was getting. paid $50,000 to $60,000 a month to sit at home, do nothing. And he told the lawyers to threaten me that if I came back to the hospital, that he would not only have a security, throw me out, but that they would immediately come after my hospital privileges and my license. So really, I mean, people have to ask, people have to ask him why he took it upon himself to have the cancer program shut down. And now I was working with another physician, who a senior physician, Dr. Sandy McEwen,

who had brought these treatments from Europe and had spent years fighting with Health Canada to at least get a trial approved so we could treat cancer patients. He kept the program going, you know, for I think another year and a bit. And then the program got shut down. He fled Alberta.

So he also fled Alberta and has never come. back since. So really, the decision is in the hands of top H.S. Executives, the head of Cancer Care, H.S. Cancer Care reported to H.S. Vice President and Chief Medical Officer Dr. Francois Belanger, who was partners with AHS CEO VerniU in running Alberta Health Services. So they were the two most senior figures in Alberta Health Services. And when I tried, to examine this AHS vice president, Dr. Francois Belanger, under oath in my lawsuit, HHS lawyers said, no, we will not produce him for examination, for you to examine him under oath,

because I wanted to ask and find out what the heck happened. Why did they make the decisions that they made? And the lawyers absolutely refused, and that's when they came after me in the courts. That's when they started filing fraudulent court application after fraudulent court application. This was around 2018 that they started to do this. And they filed their applications to try to have my lawsuits thrown out of court completely. They falsely accused me of being a vexatious litigant of filing frivolous lawsuits, vexatious lawsuits. They said my lawsuits were BS nonsense and they tried to get the judges to throw my lawsuits out.

they failed. I was accused of being a vexatious litigant for non-judicial proceedings because I had filed a bunch of complaints against H.S. executives, all of which were covered up, all of which went nowhere. What is a vexatious litigant? Okay. So a vexatious litigant is someone who will file lawsuits or court applications for the sole purpose of abusing the other party. So, and these So they just thought

they thought you were a troublemaker Or that's what they were trying to paint Exactly, but more than that It's they wanted to They wanted to say that I was Abusing the Court And that my lawsuits were Bogus, that they were frivolous

And that I was filing lawsuits For the sole purpose of abusing AHS And If you can get someone declared of Excessious Litigant, then the court can actually throw all of their legal proceedings out. Because if the court says, hey, listen, you're abusing the court system, then the court can actually cancel all of your lawsuits.

And that's what they were hoping to do. They failed. But basically, they've been dragging me through court in this manner for years. And they've successfully managed to stall my lawsuits for the past four years from proceeding. because we were well into discovery and, you know, I just needed to interview a few more people under oath. Sorry, examine a few more people under oath. And I could set a trial date and we could go to trial. And they spent four years filing bogus court applications to stop that from happening.

So where does it, where do you sit right now, William? Like where are you sitting with these court cases? So I was, I was appointed. a case management judge to oversee, I have two lawsuits. So I was appointed a case management judge to oversee both lawsuits. Both lawsuits are active. Both lawsuits are still stalled because I've constantly had to deal with AHS's applications. And really what happened, this is very interesting. So it first started as an effort to get my lawsuits thrown out. When that feels, failed and I started going on Twitter and I started exposing

HHS corruption on Twitter, they freaked out. In October of 2019, I'd been only posting on Twitter for a few months, but my follower number started skyrocketing. They, HHS actually filed emergency injunction applications to have me permanently silenced on Twitter so that I couldn't discuss HHS at all. discussed the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and they were harassing the judges of the Court of Queens bench to get a court hearing as soon as possible so that they could have me silenced. And I thought, okay, fine, just another thing for me to fight. So they managed to get

a court date in January of 2020. And when I read the brief, the AHS brief, a legal brief, that they sent me, they were literally asking the court to suspend my charter rights to freedom of expression because I was such a menace and such a danger to AHS. And I thought, okay, well, and I didn't really know how to defend that, because at the time I was a self-represented litigant. I had paid $250,000 in legal fees up to that point. I was close to going bankrupt just from legal fees fighting HHS. And they had told me, they said, listen, we have unlimited taxpayer funding for... Yeah, you're going up against a giant beast.

Yeah. They said, we have unlimited taxpayer funding for our legal teams. We will destroy you financially. We'll destroy your reputation. We'll make sure you can never work anywhere again. If you, this was right as I was about to file my lawsuit. So I knew that they were waging a war of attrition, and this is how it was described to me, they will wage a war of attrition against you and your families.

So I said, okay, fine. I saw where this was going. You know, lawyers are expensive in Alberta. We're talking, you know, $400 an hour. And I had actually lawyers who had represented Dr. Dennis Modri, who had fought AHS for a very similar situation a few years before that. So they had tried to destroy him. Now, he was a cardiac surgeon, I believe, who had done the first transplant in Alberta.

you know, a well-known, well-known person, and they try to put him into early retirement. And again, he fought with H.S managers, H.S. executives. And I believe he had settled his case, and they basically had to pay him out for the rest of his career. So I had actually hired his lawyers because they had experience with AHS and in fighting AHS. There are very few law firms in Alberta who are willing to go up against HHS. they were expensive. I paid them, you know, handsomely, but I had to let them go once it became clear that I couldn't sustain.

You know, I mean, I paid out, what, $250,000 in legal fees in a year, year and a half? I couldn't sustain that, right? Especially with no income. So I had to let them go become a self-represented litigant. So when they came after my charter rights for freedom of expression, I had to defend myself as best as, I could. I mean, I don't know the ins and outs of, especially when it comes to the, the charter of rights. And we went to court. They went before the judge. And the judge is like, what are you guys

doing? Like, and they're like, well, you know, Maccus is defaming us on Twitter. And he's saying we're corrupt. And he's saying the college is corrupt. And, you know, the college lawyer always tags along with AHS because they tag team together. So H.S will launch the attack. And then the the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta lawyer will always file a carbon copy to make it like a combined attack against me. So all their lawyers were there. And they're like, oh, you know, Macch is defaming us and, you know, saying horrible things about us, corruption and all that. And the judge is like, why don't you just file a defamation case against Macchus? And they were silent, just dead silent, right?

So the judge said, okay, I'm going to, you know, review all the documentation and so on. And he basically threw AHS's case out completely in his court decision, which is online, available online, 2020, ABQB 245. In his court decision, he didn't even get to discussing my charter rights to freedom of expression. He just said that AHS basically didn't prove their case and that, you know, their, allegations had no bases and really that they they couldn't have the court silence me. So at that point, once I had the court victory, I just continued with my Twitter account. I, you know, continued exposing AHS corruption, the college, what happened at the college, and went on on my way.

What do you think the average Albertan, maybe even person? person across the country. You know, we, we, we, each province has its own, um, college and everything else to worry about, right? Uh, what, what do you think that, that people don't understand? Because, you know, like, I, I got to sit, uh, I mean, I got to rewind the clock, it's hard, hard to remember, uh, Andrew Liebenberg, a doctor from Vermillion at the time, come into the studio here in Lloyd, sit down across from me and talk about medical ethics.

and I tell this story because it was the first time I'd interviewed a doctor in the middle of COVID and he's sitting there shaking because, you know, he's basically telling me like I could lose my license for talking openly about medical ethics. When I go back and listen to the conversation, he's not saying anything other than, you know, like this is what we're trained to do. These are why, you know, like treating a patient, consent, all these different things. Nothing, anyone should ever get mad about actually, you know, when you listen to it. But visually, he's, he's upset, you know, and then since then, I mean, you just got to look at different individuals from across the board that have come in and talked about it. But I come back to, what is it that we don't understand about AHS or the College of Physicians in general?

You know, I spend a lot of time reading the political side of Twitter. Alberta Twitter, so hashtag ableg, ab poly, even ab health. And what I see is that almost nobody understands how AHS functions and how the college functions. People get very confused as to how these entities operate in Alberta. So I can address the college first. The college is it was set up by the provincial government to regulate the practice of medicine in Alberta. And this is all done under the Health Professions Act.

And if you go back really far, you know, the job of the college is to make sure that medicine is being practiced properly, safely that the people practicing medicine in Alberta are properly qualified, and really that's it, right? So the college is supposed to make sure that doctors, are yeah are there's good doctors they're practicing safely and in the past the college was run mainly by doctors other doctors uh doctors who were older doctors who had a lot of experience um you know if you're near retirement you may want a position at the college it's more relaxed

you're not seeing as many patients anymore you can take a part-time job at the college you could be the college registrar you could be the complaints director you can be you can sit on the college Council, which is supposed to make the decisions. What I found out through my lawsuits and my experience is that all of that right now is window dressing. The idea that doctors run the college is nonsense. They don't. Every doctor who has a high position in the college, this is the registrar, associate registrar, complaints directors, hearing directors, and the college council, they are all managed by lawyers. It is the lawyers who are pulling the strings at the college.

Now, these lawyers will basically, they will control all the processes that happen at the college. So if there's a complaint made against the doctor, it is the lawyers that will manage the complaint from beginning to end. The doctors will, you know, they can have their input, and they'll pretend that, you know, they'll even have a public member sitting on a college tribunal, that's all window dressing, right?

It is the lawyers who control everything. A lot of these lawyers are politically connected. They have deep connections in Alberta's legal system. Some college lawyers have gone on to become judges at the Court of Queens bench or Court of Appeal. And furthermore, the college is a private corporation. It is set up as a private corporation. And I found this out when I tried. to file freedom of information requests for documents and information from the college.

And they said, well, no, you can't file one because it's a private corporation. Who owns the college? I have no idea. I don't think anybody knows. The fact that lawyers run the college, I think nobody knows. And I view the college right now as an enforcement arm of AHS. And I have evidence. of this is that there are discussions that occur between HHS executives and HHS college officials where H.S executives instruct the college in if they want, let's say if they want to get rid of a doctor,

they will instruct the college how to handle the complaint, how to manage it, when to get rid of the doctor, how long to drag it out, what size of penalties do you want to inflict on the doctor, right? So it really is right now the enforcement arm of the senior leadership of AHS. That's how I view the college. The idea that the college protects patients or, you know, make sure that bad doctors don't practice in Alberta, that's complete nonsense. It is, that is just window dressing. The college exists there to get rid of doctors who are causing problems for AHS and to protect bad doctors who are causing harm.

But if those doctors have connections at AHS or political connections, then the college will move mountains. They will move heaven and earth to make sure that those doctors are protected. If anybody wants to look this up, go look up doctors who have been convicted of sex crimes against children. Okay, in the past few years, there are a number of doctors who have been either convicted or arrested for sex crimes against children. and the college in virtually every case has moved heaven and earth to make sure that those doctors are allowed to practice again, that they have access to kids. I mean, it's insane. And really, in Alberta, you can't really lose your license unless you've upset an AHS manager

or an AHS executive. In that case, the college will do everything possible. to destroy your license. Okay. That was a, A, I've written down, that was a very good explanation, I think, of the College of Physicians. Because I sit here as a, you know, the common man, the minion, I just kind of run around and, you know, obviously get to talk to varying different people. So when you hear Daniel Smith, you know, you brought up Dennis Modry. I got to go watch the Alberta Prosperity projects and Rebel News for that matter.

They're a combined debate of people vying for the UCP leadership. When you hear Danielle Smith say she's going to disband the College of Physicians and Surgeons and the firing of the HHS board, in your brain, is that possible then? Is that actually plausible that she can do that? or are you like, it's a little more difficult than that? It is absolutely possible. And I can tell you that I believe that Danielle Smith knows exactly what's going on at AHS and the college in terms of the corruption and the way the corruption is structured.

So did Jason Kenny, right? When Jason Kenney took control in 2019, just before the pandemic, and people may not remember, remember this anymore, but Jason Kenney and Tyler Shandrow had canceled the Alberta Doctors contract in February 2020. And this contract had been in place for about 10 years and they canceled the contract and Tyler Shandrow got crucified for this. That was really the first time they came after Tyler Shandrow. And I'm talking to media. I'm talking, of course, NDP and all of their NDP allies, the unions. And you know, you had hit pieces written by Charles Rusnell at CBC against Tyler Shandrow.

You know, they came up with that incident where he allegedly yelled at a neighbor on the driveway. And that story was written up within 24 hours by Charles Rusnell at CBC. So, you know, here I am. I've been to court 20 times, you know, in front of 12 judges. I have $35 million in lawsuits against AHS and, you know, the college. And CBC won't return my calls. CBC won't answer my emails, right? But, you know, Tyler Shandro goes to talk to his neighbor on the driveway, you know,

about, you know, posting insults about his wife. And CBC writes up a front page story within 24 hours, right? So they came heavily after Tyler Shandro for that. But they did cancel the doctor's contract. One thing to know about the doctor's contract was that it was a source of a lot of fraud. So that $5.4 billion that is within that contract every single year, that is meant to pay salaries and fee-for-service for physicians to provide patient care services. I know for a fact that HHS managers were dipping their hands into that pocket.

of money and they were paying themselves salaries for administrative work, not for clinical work. And many, many senior AHS medical directors and executives were doing this. They were stealing money from the physician fund. That's why when you look at administrative costs at AHS, people will say, well, look, administrative costs at AHS are fairly low. Yeah, because they're stealing money from elsewhere, and they're paying themselves huge salaries from elsewhere, right? They're taking that money out of clinical funding.

So when Shandrow did that, you know, there was a huge, huge outcry. So I thought, good. UCP knows that there's corruption at AHS. They canceled the contract, which means that if you're going to put a new contract, all of the senior AHS executives and managers and medical directors will have to be rehired under a new contract. That's how you get rid of them. That's how you can get rid of, you know, a business. big chunk of the corrupt AHS leadership. You've canceled their contracts, and now you'll bring in a new

doctor's contract, and you'll rehire them. There were also, UCP also made a number of changes to several health care bills, the Health Professions Act specifically, and they started tinkering with the college as well. They said, well, you know what, the college council and the college tribunals have to have more public representation and so on. So there was hope that they were going to tackle corruption at H.S. and the college, and then they stopped. The pandemic hit, and they backed off, and they really never came back to it again. So when Danielle Smith is talking about disbanding the college, yeah, that can absolutely be done.

The college exists at the mercy of the provincial government. the college is really constituted under the Health Professions Act, and you can amend the Health Professions Act. You can disband the current college. You can then reconstitute another college or another entity to manage medical licenses in Alberta and so on, and you can have it to be a public entity, not a private entity, and you can put it under the Health Ministry.

That can absolutely be done. Does anybody have the guts to actually do that? I don't know. But yes. So when Danielle Smith says that, she is absolutely correct. It can be done. That's the college. Now, with AHS, she's talked about firing the HHS board,

which I would have preferred she talked about firing the HHS executive. People have to understand that the HHS board is made up of various people. from the community who, you know, they'll get paid $50,000 to sit on the board. They don't make the decisions. I mean, they don't make any consequential decisions. I was told by someone in the Health Ministry of Alberta that my case was completely concealed from the AHS board. The Hs board didn't know that my lawsuits were happening. And here is AHS spending millions of dollars on legal fees.

It's all being pushed by HHS executives, and they don't tell the HHS board what they're doing, right? So the real power at HHS resides in the executive. And when I say the HS executive, I specifically mean the 11 individuals who comprise the H.S CEO, the various HHS vice presidents. And you can also throw in the provincial leader of HHS cancer care. That's a very important position. There's head of HHS medical affairs. So there's a group of individuals, and it's a dozen individuals who control HHS in its entirety. And you saw this to some degree with VerniU, H.S. CEO of VerniU, how whenever she would come out and speak during the pandemic,

you know, NDP would cheer that, you know, that she's basically making fools out of, you know, Jason Kenny and Tyler Shandro and that she was really going against the UCP vision or narrative. More recently, you know, she constantly talks about, you know, public health and that public health is under attack and so on, you know, always kind of sniping at UCP. UCP did fire her a few months ago. but she's part of that executive. So when Danielle Smith talks about firing the AHS board, yes, I mean, you can do that. Most of those people are now appointed by UCP, but the real powers in the AHS executive who are,

I'd say 90% of them are still, were appointed by Rachel Lottley in 2015 and 2016. Jason Kenney didn't get rid of them except, you know, finally Verni U. Those are the people that need to go. the people that need to be replaced. These are career bureaucrats who are deeply embedded, you know, and networked with Alberta's legal system and they're networked nationally. So they have alliances throughout Canada. These are the people that have to go. So if I would give any advice to Daniel Smith, I'd say, sure, clean up the HHS board, but you really need to come after the HHS executive, the HHS vice presidents, even the senior HHS management,

the medical directors of the five different zones, right? You've got the northern zone, you've got the Edmonton zone, Calgary, you know, central zone, southern zone. Each of those zones have an AHS leader, right? Those people have to go. These are the people that are the most corrupt. They're the ones who are messing with. with patient funding.

I'll go as far as to say that a lot of patient care funding simply disappears. I've seen it in my department. We've had, you know, and we were a small department of radiologists, and we had hundreds of thousands of dollars disappear every single year. That simply couldn't be accounted for. That was meant to be for patient care. And then the managers made it disappear. So those are the people who have to go.

And Danielle Smith can absolutely make it happen. these are not empty election promises. She can do it. The question is whether she can actually follow through. Jason Kenny didn't, right? Jason Kenny, you know, he did an AHS review at the beginning by Ernst & Young, which found that up to 2,000 of AHS's 3,200 managers were not really needed. And this is documented in the AHS review.

He did nothing. He fired nobody, right? So where Jason Kenney failed, Danielle Smith can succeed. And I'll tell you, she knows this. She knows all of it. That's why she is saying it. And you will see NDP is losing their mind. Whenever Daniel Smith talks about AHS and the college,

you know, NDP is not saying, oh, yeah, you know, we're going to look into, we're going to look into AHS and the college and the way they're handling health care in Canada. No, they are defending the way AHS and the college operate. NDP is defending them, right? No one at UCP is defending the way AHS has managed the pandemic, the way the college has managed the pandemic. It's NDP, that is.

At one time they were. You know, if you go back far enough, William, and, you know, you fast forward, we've been talking an awful lot about your journey into this. Now you've been fighting it for six years. You said a line, and I hope I got this right, the college persists at the mercy of the current government. And, you know, everybody wants to pile on now that it's kind of the in thing to do, especially in Alberta, maybe the West, of, you know, like different mandates coming down, that type of thing. But when I hear that line, I go, okay, so go back to COVID, go back to all these doctors not being able to, talk about informed consent, you know, just flip a province over, had Francis Christian on,

and Dr. Francis Christian, and he lost his job advocating for informed consent, you know. I think that's a pretty high quality in a doctor to advocate for such a thing. And I go, okay, so is it H.S? Is it the call of decisions? Is it the politician? Who's on the, who's the person or a group of people that's pulling the strings here that can actually give us a point. Everybody kind of points, you know, it's, it's the Spider-Man image where they're all pointing at each other, right? And what you just said is basically the calls of physicians gets to persist at the mercy of the current government. Well, the current government, and I don't like to harp on everyone, but I mean, the USP was the current government. They allowed then the

calls of physicians to basically discipline all these doctors who spoke out of line at any turn of way. And I hear that and I go, okay, got it. So you fast forward, now we got an election coming. Well, I mean, it's been in high heat. I've had five of the seven candidates on here. We did a roundtable with five of the seven. I've been to debates all over the place. And I go, now you're telling me it isn't open election promises or empty, sorry, election promises that a person could step in and make giant changes here in the next whatever time frame you want to put on it and actually change that awfully quick yes it can be done however um i would i would say that people underestimate the power that the college and aHS have now i'm you know the college

I'll say they're the enforcement arm of AHS. You know, now you have, I think this came out just yesterday, Jason Kenney. There was a CBC article where Jason Kenney said that HHS had misled him about the pandemic that they'd given him false information about, you know, ICU beds and whatnot. I would say that people underestimate how powerful these healthcare bureaucrats are. When Tyler Shandrow canceled the doctor's contract, and they came after him very, very hard,

the contract involved the Alberta Medical Association, which is a fairly small entity. They negotiate contracts for doctors and fee for services. So it's also a little bureaucracy, but you know, they sort of went to war with Tyler Shandrow. And I remember they had made a comment that really stuck with me and they said, you know, the Alberta Medical Association has been here

for 105 years and will be here long after UCP is gone. Now, imagine the hubris and the arrogance of that statement. and AMA is nothing compared to AHS, right? AMA is this little group of bureaucrats who get to participate in negotiating contracts for doctors and fees for service.

And they were talking to Tyler Shandra like he was a child that, listen, we've been here longer than you and we'll be here long after you're gone, right? And so, you know, whenever anyone you know, gets to talk to AHS executives, the sheer arrogance that these people have

in terms of the amount of power that they wield is unbelievable. There was a court case. They had done this. What they'd done to me, they'd done it to another cancer doctor at the Tom Baker Cancer Institute, Dr. Robert Nordal. And in that court case,

the head of H.S. Cancer Care said, we have revenue of $15 billion. Now this is taxpayer money that goes to AHS every year. He called it revenue. He said, we have revenues of $15 billion.

And if we need to pay this guy out for damages that we caused him, this doctor, then we have more than enough money to take care of that. He said this under oath, it's recorded in the court decision. So these people are extremely arrogant.

and I'm talking to senior leadership of H.S. Extremely arrogant. They see themselves really as more powerful than the provincial government. And I think the way I saw H.S lawyers behave during the 2019 election, I realized that they were not afraid of Jason Kenney at all. In fact, that they were not afraid of the complete change of government from NDP to UCP, they believed that it would just be business as usual. And I actually was told privately by certain individuals,

they said, Kenny's not going to do anything. Kenny's not going to touch us. So, you know, we have to sort of look at what can be done. And like I said, cleaning up the college and AHS absolutely can be done. whoever promises it could potentially deliver. However, these bureaucracies are extremely powerful. They have deep connections into Alberta's legal system, into Alberta's judicial system.

You know, one of my former lawyers, who I had to let go, who had, you know, actually tried to tuck me out of doing a long-term lawsuit against AHS. He is now, he's been appointed. judge at the Alberta Court of Appeal. So, you know, it's the healthcare bureaucracy is very heavily networked in Alberta. They see themselves as above the provincial government. And so, you know, taking them on is no small task. I thought Jason Kenney would be able to do it. I thought he, I mean, he had the majority. So really, like, there was nothing stopping him.

I've seen the excuse thrown around that, well, you know, he couldn't clean up AHS because of the pandemic, the optics would be bad. Well, to hell with the optics. If we've got a healthcare system that is suffering from corruption where billions of dollars go missing every year, you know, money doesn't go directly to patient care, you know, how is HHS able to spend millions and millions of dollars on legal fees? They've spent $5 million trying to silence me. Who the heck authorized that?

How are they able to spend this money? HHS apparently has 500 different lawsuits going at the current moment, right? So, you know, the corruption is tremendous. It has to be tackled. Is there anyone strong enough to take on this network? And it's really a network of individuals. Some people say, you know, it's a healthcare mafia and so on. I just refer to it as a network of well-connected individuals who see themselves as more powerful than the provincial government, honestly.

Well, there's a, I mean, we're talking billions of dollars, right? So where there is deep pockets or a lot of money being handed over, and I mean hand it over into like a budget, like, you know, whatever their provincial budget is, I think, you know, for, this year or next year it's $15.1 billion is what the health care budget in Alberta is. Anytime you have numbers floating around like that, that's going to draw people there. And probably not the best that go there for the money reasons, right? I don't mean that in case of doctors. I got lots of doctor friends. I've met a ton of doctors, physicians at, and they're a bunch of lovely people.

It's kind of like painting everything with one brush. Doctors are all bad. Well, no, obviously not. but when you tack on well there's going to be 15.1 billion there's going to be people who see that and gravitate towards it for probably the wrong reasons and what you're talking about I don't know just think of COVID I mean for two years we're like how are we in this situation you know like where we're demonizing informed consent you know like that's that's where we're at and anyone who just wanted that or talked about it was demonized.

And then you listen to what you just said and you go, well, if they feel like they have more power than the provincial government, it's pretty easy to get to there then, right? Like nobody was, you know, willing to have that battle essentially. Yeah.

One thing I would add, and really it's circling back to your point, when you ask, you know, who is making these decisions at the college, you know, getting rid of informed consent, blocking doctors from prescribing, you know, hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin or whatever they want to prescribe, you know, medications that are approved.

You can, you know, we prescribe things off-label all the time. Who is making these decisions that there's to be no early treatment for COVID in Alberta that, you know, everyone must get a shot of MRI vaccine, no matter what their, you know, health status is and vaccine mandates. Where is all this coming from? And, you know, of course, you have to hold the leaderships of the college and HHS accountable for this. But one thing I noticed was with the HHS leadership especially, there is a, there are relationships. They have relationships nationally. So when Verna You, when there were first rumors circulating that H.S.C.O.

BurniU was fired, you saw, you know, the heads of the largest Ontario hospital network come to their defense. You saw prominent media personalities in Vancouver come to her defense. You know, you cannot underestimate the friends and, you know, really the network that these people have. Vernay-U was voted as the second most powerful doctor in Canada after Teresa Tam. You know, she's received awards. And I think this was like a liberal-leaning, you know, entity. So, you know, there are deep connections that extend beyond the province. When the vaccine mandates came down, and I don't know if you remember, I was paying close attention to this.

It was Verna You who announced it. UCP was completely silent on it at the time. VerniU came out, announced, said, listen, we're going to implement vaccine mandates. All of HHS's 105,000 workers have to be vaccinated by October 16th. Jason Kenney didn't say one word. Rachel Lottley came out and said, yeah, I support this. This is amazing. You know, vaccine mandates for everyone, right?

but UCP stayed silent. And I was looking at this. I'm like, okay, is Jason Kenney going to say something? Is he going to step in? Because this is a wonderful opportunity for UCP to say, no, these vaccine mandates are not legal. They're unethical. They're unscientific.

Verni, you, you're fired. Now we're putting a new management and get the hell out. The UCP did nothing. In fact, I remember the media were, going, we're sort of harassing Jason Kenney to make a comment about it. And I think it took him a few weeks. And, and then he finally said, okay, well, you know, AHS can do what AHS wants to do. And that's it, right? That was the extent. So what does that tell you? Well, that tells you that Jason Kenney didn't control AHS and didn't, didn't have a say when the vaccine mandates

came down. Same, same, same thing with the case. QR codes and the digital vaccine passport or what have you. You know, first he was against it, you know, and then sheepishly he came back and said, okay, well, you know, we're going to implement these QR codes and so on. So what you saw, especially in 2021, as you constantly saw Kenny flip-flopping on these very crucial healthcare decisions, right? And because these decisions were being implemented all across Canada, not just Alberta, you know, you could tell that there was a federal push for these decisions. Now, Verna Yu was basically the person in Alberta who was implementing federal directives in healthcare.

You know, for example, I go back to, let's say, how they killed hydroxychloroquine in Alberta. You know, there's a huge hydroxychloroquine trial in Alberta. They headed up and running. And, you know, then the directive came to kill all those trials. You know, there was a fraudulent paper that had come out in Lancet that said hydroxychloroquine causes, you know, serious side effect, cardiac side effects. It was nonsense. It was made up. and they immediately killed the trial.

And then a month later, Lancet retracted this. I said, okay, this was a fraudulent study. You know, the data was bad. They refused to hand over the data in that trial. So, you know, we don't know if hydroxychloroquine has any bad side effects at all. In the Alberta trial, they didn't notice any side effects. They never restarted the trial, right? So these decisions are being, you know, a lot of these very,

very controversial pandemic decisions seem to have come from outside of Alberta. And it was really the senior AHS leadership that implemented them. And I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, AHS then directed the college to threaten doctors who were, you know, writing vaccine mandate exemptions, mask exemptions, and who are trying to treat, you know, with either ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine,

those decisions probably came from AHS, you know, directed to the college, but AHS got those directives from outside of Alberta, you know, because you could tell UCP really didn't have their hand in any of this, and they certainly could have taken credit. I mean, Jason Kenney could have come out and said, yes, you know, I'm the one who implemented, you know, vaccine mandates to protect our healthcare workers and our population, he didn't take any credit. Like he didn't want to comment on it, right? He literally made it seem like UCP had no role in those

decisions. Well, you've been, you know, you've come across my path and my listener's path, certainly, at different times because I've, you know, been doing the podcast for a little over three years and certainly haven't been having these conversations for three years. As the audience knows, in the beginning, it was a lot of community and then sports hockey guy. So,

you know, it went that direction. And over the last year and, well, pretty much a year now, um, it's really taking a hard left turn, maybe a 180,

I don't know, maybe a 360 spin and then, and then we carried on. Who knows? Um, but your name has come across my path multiple different times. And the latest one has been about the Canadian doctors. You know,

talking specifically about COVID. You're an outsider now almost looking in at the Canadian doctors and what they're having to go through. And one of your headlines that's really caught a lot of people's attention has been the 32 doctors, 32 young doctors, if I recall, having passed away from what you look at to be the booster shots or the shot in general. I guess for myself, the listener, everybody else, you mind expanding a little bit on that? Sure.

The first case, the first death that came to my attention was in November of last year, 2021. And it was a New Brunswick cardiologist, Dr. Sohrab, Luchmedio, 52 years old. He had been active, very active on Twitter and Facebook. very pro-vaccine, but he was very vocal about how he felt about unvaccinated people. He would say things like he wanted to punch them in the face, that he wouldn't cry at their funeral, and so on. So I had actually seen these posts. I think everybody had seen those posts, you know, honestly. And so, you know, he went to take his booster shot, and then they announced.

two weeks later that he had died in his sleep. And that was publicized. It was on CTV, CBC. It was very well publicized as a shocking death of a young, promising doctor who had, you know, done a lot for the community and so on. And then I, that was the first time I really like that shock, that death shocked me. I started looking into the details and I had seen that he had rushed to get his booster shot. He got his booster shot on October 24th, 2021, and he got it before anybody else. So people were actually asking on Facebook, how did you get access to the booster shots because they hadn't been rolled out yet? You know, as doctors, we have access before anybody else. So I can understand that. So he got his booster shot on October 24th. And I think by, you know, he had died

on November 8. So exactly two weeks later, he had died in his sleep. And the other thing that spurs to my memory about that time is at that time, if anyone passed away from COVID, they were sure to point out you were unvaccinated. And what was interesting about all the news articles about him and everything else, they didn't point out how harsh he was on the unvaccinated. And they certainly didn't point out his vaccination status at the time, which is almost like saying it without saying it, right? And that's what everybody looked at. They're like, well, we obviously know what's going on here. Anyways, I digress because that point in time a year ago, essentially, was a very heated time where there was one person passed away from COVID and was unvaccinated. That was the headline.

You want to talk about a campaign. That was the campaign. Show every person who dies who's unvaccinated and how stupid they are and everything else. And then here's this young doctor who passed away after getting the booster shot. And there's no talk of it. You know, it's just like kind of, oh, this is sad and moving. on. Exactly. And at the time, to your point, you could literally assume that if someone had died suddenly and unexpectedly and they did not talk about his vaccination status, that person was fully vaccinated.

So, I mean, that's how it was at the time. Someone did find, though, his own post when he went to get his booster shot. He said, oh, he had some flu-like symptoms, but, you know, two thumbs up. And so that was his own post where he confirmed that he had gotten the booster shot. So we knew that he was not just fully vaccinated, but he had very recently gotten the booster shot. Now, you know, anyone who pushes back against me with this database, they'll say, oh, you know, doctors die all the time and so on. Well, you know what, doctors don't just, young doctors don't just die in their sleep. I mean, if you go back, you try to Google, you know, doctors dying suddenly in their sleep,

it just doesn't happen. Or if it does happen, it is extremely rare. So that was the first case that really caught my attention. And I'd saved, you know, all the information I had about it at the time. And then, you know, about a month later, there was a second doctor who had dropped dead. And someone, a family friend of that doctor, Dr. Neil Singh Dala, who was a family doctor in Toronto, a family friend posted a TikTok video on Twitter that went viral. and he said, you know, he had gotten a booster shot four days prior.

He was at his friend's house. He was feeling unwell and he went to lie down on the couch. He never woke up. So he had died in his sleep on his friend's couch. He was 48 years old. No known prior history. This death was not publicized as much. Certainly it was not publicized in the media.

but it but it's circulated heavily on on Twitter and so I put those two together and I made my first posts on Twitter sort of warning hey this is this is going on this you know these two doctors died very shortly after taking their booster shot you know this is a red flag here and that post went went fairly viral it got you know maybe close to a thousand likes and retweets and it started getting circulated. So that's when people first started noticing this. You know, I didn't realize at the time that there had been many more sudden deaths of young doctors before that, but they were very obscure. It was never publicized. So people didn't know about it. And, you know, then a few months later, Twitter suspended my account for talking about a CNBC article.

that covered a study about Pfizer vaccination of 5 to 11 year olds that had very low effectiveness. I think the study said that, you know, the effectiveness was like only 12% after a few months. And by six months, you actually had negative efficacy. So the children, 5 to 11, who had received the Pfizer shot after six months, were actually getting sick more frequently than unvaccinated kids. And Twitter killed my account for that. And I'd received, you know, a message from Twitter saying, you know, we're shutting down your account permanently, specifically for this post. I had about 13,000 followers at the time.

And so what happened was once my Twitter account got suspended, and, you know, at the time, they were really pushing the vaccination in the 5 to 11-year-olds heavily. So anyone who spoke up against that, I saw a lot of scientists and doctors. who I was following on Twitter started getting shut down after me, one after the other. Eventually, they shut down everybody who was speaking up about negative vaccine efficacy and the risks of vaccinating children 5 to 11. Sorry, I was just going to say,

my brain is running and is listening, but it's still thinking about the amount of doctors that died. And you said, people say that, that, well, yeah, this is probably happening years past. Nobody's been really clued into it. And although there might be a little bit of merit to that, because, I mean, it is a sensitive topic even today, right? About, I mean, sudden adult death syndrome, right?

Like, you know, like wild. But the thing is, is I've had enough of these conversations with different areas, right? So in athletes, you know, that's the first thing my brain went with athletes. And I was trying to pull it up here as we're talking. And I can't find it right now. And my listeners will probably send it to me again. But there was a report done exactly on this thing with athletes.

Oh, well, everybody's just paying attention to it. Athletes die all the time. And it was like, I don't know. In a handful of years, X amount of died. X had died, athletes. and then since COVID, the number that are, you know, it's just up and up and up. And it was like shocking, right, of how many people, and people will go, wow, but that's because of COVID. And it's like, well, no, what we all know is in order to play at these levels, you have to be vaccinated.

I mean, just look at competitive tennis, right? Djokovic still can't come and compete in all the world titles, right? Why? Because he's unvaccinated. So that means everybody there is vaccinated. Just do a simple map. and all of a sudden you get to see how, oh, it's happening in sports. You know, I talked to Greg Hill with Freedom to Fly, Matt Sattler,

and they start talking about pilots, and that's the first thing I asked them. Yeah, but I mean, who's watching pilots five years ago and dying? And then they start talking about statistics of it growing. You're like, oh, right? And so what it combines with what you're saying is you're seeing this growth across every avenue. and people can actually go back in the data. And on top of it, they're not 80-year-old people passing away.

They're healthy, active people that are passing away. And you just start to go like, it's time to stop dancing this. Like this is, this is, I don't know what the word is. I don't actually have the word. Shocking maybe or heartbreaking or I don't know.

And yet media doesn't talk about it. Yeah. People have asked me on social media. They said, well, why are you focusing on Canadian doctors? It's like, well, I'm a Canadian doctor, so, you know, this is something that's close to me and, you know, important to me. But this is not just happening to the Canadian doctors. This is happening in other fields as well. The thing about Canadian doctors, which is very interesting, is that we're talking 100% vaccination rate, right?

So this is not, these are not individuals where you can debate, well, are they vaccinated? Are they not? We have vaccine mandates all across Canada. They have just been canceled in Alberta. But that's really in the past month. Otherwise, everywhere else, you've got vaccine mandates going. I would put a caveat in there, 90 plus percent because I know a guy like Eric Payne, who's just down the road for me in Calgary, pediatrician. at the Children's Hospital in Calgary, I can't spit it out.

Essentially, he's been through the ringer because of his stance on this, and I know all the testing he had to go through. But I would agree with you a very small percentage. Yeah, you're right. I mean, if you want to be precise, it would be, let's say, in the high 90s percent. So you've got a group of individuals, all of whom are in, active practice. I set an arbitrary cut off with age 70 just because, you know, after age 70, it's sort of hard to, you know, I mean, it gets difficult, right? So, but these are,

you know, actively practicing doctors and fully vaccinated. And they're usually the first ones to get the shot when it comes out. So if you have the third, you know, the third shot, the booster shot that comes out, the doctors are the first ones to get it. Right. So in a way, it's sort of like the canary in the coal mine, right? It's, you've got a group of individuals who are, you know, fully vaccinated and, you know, you have a look at what's happening. So anyways, just to go back to sort of my previous point, this topic really exploded once we started getting a cluster of doctor deaths in July of this year, just a couple of months ago. And you've had the three doctors who died in Mississauga in the Mississauga Hospital, in the same hospital. And that really ignited this whole thing.

That really made me go back and say, okay, let me see. let me do some really heavy digging and see how many people this may have happened to. The three doctors who died in Mississauga, those death notices were actually leaked by a healthcare worker who was working in that hospital system. And in the beginning when it first came out, I was worried that it was a hoax because, you know, what better way to discredit, you know, someone talking about this than, you know, you put out some fake death notices, you know, everyone jumps all over and they say, aha, you know, these guys are just peddling fake news, right? So I was actually, I didn't say anything about it for a few days. And then sure enough, CTV confirmed that yes, these doctors had died, but, you know, the hospital says it wasn't from the COVID vaccine. And I thought, okay, well, that's a very

interesting statement because, you know, there was obviously no autopsies that had been done. So I had, I did a little bit of digging and just as Associated Press and Reuters were putting out a fact check, you know, debunking this claim that these doctors may have died from the vaccine, I posted about 13 doctors that I had found that had died suddenly or unexpectedly and that these were suspicious deaths, right? And that went viral. Then AP and Reuters put out their fact check to say, oh, well, two of these doctors died from cancer and, you know, it wasn't vaccine related. But now I had 13, right? So, okay, so now you have to go and you have to try to debunk the 13, right? And that went viral. I remember, you know, it got thousands of likes. It was heavily circulated. And I remember,

I saw my posts being translated into a dozen languages on Twitter. I mean, this really went international. I saw my posts in French, Spanish, Italian, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, you know, because you can click on Google, translate, and figure out which language, you know, is, you know, translating your post. So, and then people really said, okay, there's something really wrong here. because if you try to go back and search on Google, or you can go to the Canadian Medical Association

and search their In-Memorial page, how many young doctors die per year before the pandemic? You'll find, you know, maybe three, four, five. But now here I have 13, you know, in the span of one year. And then as I did more digging, it got up to 32. And that's 32 young Canadian doctor deaths that I could find. There, since I've posted this, and since this has gone viral, you know, other people have been sending me information that they had heard from family, you know, whose doctor had passed suddenly and so on. So, I mean, that number is only climbing.

So now you're looking at 32 young Canadian doctors who have died in the past 16 months, suddenly or unexpectedly, there is either an obituary or. a written statement somewhere online stating that they died suddenly or unexpectedly. And to me, yes, it's tragic, it's horrific, but it's really a red flag. And, you know, the really, the only pushback I've gotten from people on social media is that, well, you know, this happens all the time, and you're just cherry-picking obituaries and so on. And, you know, like I said, to me, I gain nothing from, from. posting this. This is, you know, I'm not selling anything, you know, I'm not pushing anything on anybody. This is information that I'm simply putting out. People can do with it whatever they want.

To me as a physician, this is a huge red flag. You know, and it's such a big red flag that big medical associations in Canada should be addressing it and should be calling for some sort of investigation or public inquiry or something. And I wrote a letter to the Canadian Medical Association informing them of this and basically asking them to publicly comment on it. I really want them to, you know, ask for the immediate halt to all COVID vaccine mandates

in healthcare and Canada. But this is something that needs to be investigated. You know, this is not something you can just sweep under the rug because this number will only continue going up. Yeah, well, and I was, uh, once again doing a little browsing here because Julie Pinesse had a post and I wanted to say it was into the 70s. Now, um, that might be, uh, I don't know the exact, uh, you know, without it sitting in front of me and geez, you got to love technology, William.

I'm like, I'm sitting here and I'm looking and I'm looking and I know my listeners are going, it's right here and they'll probably send me the bloody article and everything else. But I wanted to say in hers, I believe it was a full age gamut, right? So you had any deaths over the course of whether it was, you know, since 2020, I'm not exactly sure. Or I guess it would be later than that when vaccine started. Of course, I can't find the bloody thing. Isn't that how it goes? This is why folks, I need somebody sitting on the computer and I go, could you pull us up and then you carry on, you know? But that's life. Regardless, I always come back to

with things like this. I'm glad there's people out there like yourself and others who are actually like paying attention to different things, right? Because certainly with the conversation we've had over the last hour and a half, you're in a unique position to understand that everything isn't completely on the up and up. And if Sean the, you know, former oil field worker slash hockey players slash, you know, et cetera, starts calling it out.

It's like, well, what credibility do you have? You know what I mean? But when people come after you and certainly they have

and probably will continue, the credibility is in your story. It's like, well, did you listen to a story? There's a lot of meat in that. And to know that people such as yourself and others,

right, like there's a handful and probably more than that that are all paying attention to different parts of this to make sure that it doesn't get forgotten about. That's what's,

you know, I guess word that comes to mind is accountability. I'm curious to see where this goes. You know, I know there's going to be heartbreaking days ahead for different areas, but what gives William some hope in the future? What are you looking at positively? I mean, lawsuits aside, or maybe the lawsuit is something a positive of all. I have no idea.

What gives you some hope for the future? I think, you know, with sort of all, the censorship and all the really nastiness in healthcare that we've suffered over the last two years, I think that there are a lot of good people in medicine. There's a lot of good doctors. There's a lot of good nurses. Yes, the doctors, especially in Canada, have completely dropped the ball for the most part, you know, stayed silent while all kinds of, you know, nasty things were said and done to, let's say, the unvaccinated, informed consent out the window. You have a pharmaceutical product being pushed on absolutely everybody, regardless of their medical history or risk or anything

like that. You know, these are terrible things, but I do believe that there's enough doctors, nurses, is other healthcare officials, sorry, healthcare providers out there who, you know, will overtime, step up and, you know, push back. And for me, this is a way of pushing back against sort of the nastiness that we've seen in healthcare. I'm in a bit of a unique position because I can't push back without fear of repercussions. I can't lose my job. I can't lose my medical license. I can't lose my hospital privileges. So really, there's nothing they can do to me to silence me. I've gone to court to ensure that I can actually keep talking about AHS and the college online. So, you know, I mean, I, you know, last year when we had the vaccine mandate in Alberta, you know, implemented

by Vernay-U, there was a group of healthcare workers who wrote to Verni-U and said, listen, we're against this vaccine mandate. It's unscientific, unethical. We're against it. It was signed by hundreds of nurses and doctors, and I signed it as well. And then, you know, I get a threatening letter from the college saying, you know, you signed this letter. You were opposed to vaccine mandates. We're putting it on your record. And we're going to give you a chance to deny that you signed this letter. And, you know, then we'll put that on your record too. So really a very strong implicit threat, you know, in regards to just speaking out against vaccine mandates, right? So I do believe that there's a lot of good people in health care. And, you know, the threats, the silencing,

the censorship, yes, it's worked. And it has silenced a lot of people for for a while. But what gives me hope is that you can't sustain that forever. You know, the campaign of fear and harassment, a censorship, it just cannot be sustained. And more and more people are going to stand up. More and more people are going to speak out. As you get more people who are vaccine injured, as you get more, let's say, vaccine-related deaths, you know, those family members are going to speak up. So, you know, that tide is going to turn.

we can see it turning already, you know, especially like, you know, I see the response that I've had with this post about, you know, 32 young Canadian doctors dying. You know, there's a crosspost on Twitter that's almost at 10,000 likes. You know, I did an interview with Odessa that's, you know, now got over 10,000 views. So, you know, this, you can't. silence people forever. And so that's what gives me hope. Yeah, well, the thing is, is the harder they try to silence people, the more evident

it becomes, right? Like, it's just, it almost becomes silliness, you know? Like, it's just like, they're going to do what now? You know, like, it just carries on and on and on and on. And you're like, at some point, right, cooler heads must prevail. While that might just mean a changing of the guard, who knows, here in, I'm a hopeful guy on a lot of fronts. And I like to look at some of the positives that are coming to light because of some of this.

And obviously, I can't speak to everyone else because some people have been put through the ringer. And I certainly sympathize for what has been going on. And, you know, it's what we try and do on the show. We try and bring on some of those stories and different stories to kind of bring light. And I've seen a ton of people clue in to what's going on and just be like, well, that ain't, that ain't good, right? And the fact that Alberta basically had a no-confidence vote on Jason Kenny and moved him out, we're going to see here over the next year if anything is going to change, right? To me, it's going to be very much proof is in the pudding.

And, I mean, honestly, in less than a month, we're going to have a new premier. And then we're going to see what happens, you know? If it's, I mean, Daniel Smith is kind of, you can see how everyone's attacking. It's almost wild at this point from everybody, you know, the current premier who's, you know, the interim and everybody's waiting for him to step out of the way and to the prime minister to, you know, like it just everyone's piling on, which is very interesting to watch. It is. And, you know, I've seen it as well. Daniel Smith really triggers in a way both the left and the right in terms of, let's say, former, you know, Kenny supporters and cabinet members and so on.

And you're right. I mean, there is going to be change. There's a lot to be hopeful about. And I think people saw that, you know, Jason Kenny had come in with a lot of promises a lot of hope for change and really very little of that hope and promise, you know, came true. For me, especially like, you know, I'm sitting here still fighting with AHS lawyers three years into UCP's term. I mean, it's insane. At this point, UCP is funding the lawsuits against me and my family, right? I mean, you can, you know, yes, these are still Rachel Nopolis,

HHS executives that are being protected, but this is now, you know, UCP is handing money, you know, to HHS for the last three years. So really has UCP, you know, gotten in bed with, with, not least HHS executives. I mean, how come, you know, they had a majority government for three years and virtually nothing has changed, right? And now Jason Kenney is complaining that, you know, that HHS lied to him or they liked him, you're the premier, right? I mean, like, you're a premier, year with a majority government, you had every tool in your toolbox, right, to make the changes that were necessary and they knew that AHS was rotten at the top or that the college was rotten at the top. They knew it from the beginning, right? So now you're going to, now on your

way out, right, you're going to say, oh, well, Hs just lied to me. Yeah, you know, now you're realizing that, you know, three years too late, right? So I've been very disappointed with Jason Kenney and And the health ministers to date, you know, I had really high hopes for Tyler Shandrow. He took on the doctor's contract. They went after him for it. I mean, the way they're going after Danielle Smith now, they were going after Tyler Shandrow. They wanted to destroy, you know, his reputation.

The media was going after him. He still has complaints, you know, at the Law Society of Alberta that go back, that stem back from the time when he went after the doctor's contract, right? So there was a lot of hope. and not just none of it, none of it materialized into any kind of. I think it's, I think I personally think is backfiring on everyone when they attack Daniel Smith so hard.

Because all eyes are focused on it. You got enough anger, outrage in Alberta specifically about what has gone on. And when, you know, it's forcing more people, I think, and maybe I'm wrong on this.

This only time will tell. To go listen to her, listen to what she's saying and go, oh, it's put all the spotlight on her. And the thing about Daniel Smith is she isn't one who stumbles over her words. She's a great orator. And so when you start listening to talk, she makes sense of a lot of things. And I mean, they've been trying to pin her down now for, you know, I don't know, what is it?

Two, three months. And she's still, you know, dodging everything they throw at her. And so it'll be interesting to see, you know, over the next, you know, what are we at? it's less than a month we're going to find out and I'm certainly I don't know how it's going to go I just did a roundtable with a group of I call them political nerds um last night uh with the Western standard and and we talked about you know the upcoming election and different things and and you know like I don't think anything is written in stone just yet and some funny things in the the UCP election that really bother me a guy who lives in rural Alberta you know uh is is is

a lot of us don't trust mail-in ballots anymore. Now, whether that's right, whether it's wrong, it doesn't matter. That's just what everybody feels right now. Maybe 20 years from now it'll be different. Right now, nobody trusts it. So you'd think you got an election coming up. You would put locations.

You don't need 100 of them. But, I mean, make it relatively easy for people to drive. They've got five locations in the major cities. So, what is it? slave lake, Emmington, Calgary, Red Deer, and Tabor. That's your five locations. You can go vote. And you can only vote in person for four hours,

8 a.m. to 12 p.m. on the day of the election, October 6th. I'm like, come on, right? Like, so many people aren't going to be able to do that. In middle of the week, blah, blah, blah. Just stack it on. And yet, if you want change, I suggest you find a way to make sure your mail-in's perfect.

Or if you don't trust it, you find a way to get there and vote. That's my thoughts. Because if you really want change, this is the way to do it. And we'll find out pretty quick if any premier who steps in is going to do anything or if it's going to be more of the same. Before I let you go, I said, and this is why you get a brain that can function hopefully on 20% thinking about the problem. I'd said 70 doctors Julie Panetti put out. I was wrong in that. I found the post.

She said 17 Ontario doctors die suddenly and nobody's like. into it. And then as I remembered why I conflated it to 70, it was hundreds of Canadian doctors dead. Genocide confirmed after 4th booster. And that was, is it Stu Peters? I want to say Stu Peters. Yeah, the Stu Peters Network is the one that published that. So I can comment on that. What happened was when I first put out my initial 13, Steve Kirsch, this millionaire philatropist. I think all the audience knows who Steve Kirsch has. He's been offering a million dollars to anyone to come debate him and nobody will take him up on it. So what happened was Steve Kirsch had taken my images and he had written a post about it on his substack.

He didn't give me credit, which, you know, that's fine. And so he got a lot of traction from that. And as I was just about to put out my second updated list of 32 young Canadian doctors, he had downloaded the database of the Canadian Medical Association in Memorium page, and he had compiled the numbers of doctors that had died. And so basically he did a little bit of napkin math and said, oh, you know, there's hundreds of doctors dying now, and it's, you know, 23 times the rate that they were dying in the past.

It's not accurate because the Canadian Medical Association in Memorium page is sort of a voluntary page. So you're not getting a complete database of Dr. Deaths. So it's, you know, I would sort of caution against, you know, using, you know, numbers, wild numbers, you know, and making claims like, you know, genocide and so on. I like to sort of stick to really things that, you know, you can sort of prove. And, and, you know, these 32 young doctors may or may not have died, you know, from MRNA vaccine injury. Like the MRNA vaccine may or may not have been a factor. However, the fact that there are so many who are dying while they're exercising, and some of them are high-level athletes, were talking Dr. Paul Hannam, who was an Olympian and a triathlete died while he was running.

We have the 27-year-old Dr. Candice Naiman. You know, she was a triathlete and she died while doing a triathlon. You know, in the swimming portion, she collapsed. She died four years later. There have been doctors who've died swimming, hiking, you know, mountaineering, running. There's a whole bunch of doctors. who died in their sleep, young doctors who died in their sleep. And then we've got some bizarre car accidents and just, you know,

people can look at this. They can draw their own conclusions, right? I'm not saying that all 32 died from, you know, vaccine injury or MRI injury, but, you know, we're seeing sudden unexpected deaths in athletes. this summer in August, you had two paramedics and one nurse, Canadian paramedics, very young, who all dropped dead while they were doing an activity. You had a 32-year-old who died while she was on a jet ski in the U.S. She was a paramedic.

You had a 50-year-old, a paramedic in New Brunswick, who died suddenly on his shift. Then you had a 23-year-old Toronto nurse who drowned in her pool or died in her pool while she was, you know, doing a streaming broadcast live. All three happened within a few days of each other in August, right? So these are highly suspicious deaths. There are, you know, potential mechanisms where, you know, we could say the vac- we know that the vaccine can cause myocarditis. We know that the myocarditis can lead to sudden cardiac death,

whether you're, you know, sleeping or whether you're doing activity. So we know there's potential mechanisms that could be in play. and really we need to keep an open mind and I think there needs to be some sort of investigation you can't just sweep this on the rug they're trying their awful best too yes like I mean by not talking about it they assume it's just going to disappear

but the fact of the matter is the longer they try and hide it the more the outrage continues to grow and at some point there will be repercussions of that you know to completely not do a 180 but we were talking about Daniel Smith And this headline just literally came across my lap. I normally folks have my phone completely off.

And for some reason, my phone starts buzzing because whatever. And I got to chuckle, William, because we're talking about Daniel Smith. Well, here's what's happened today. UCP leadership candidates unite to take Amit Daniel Smith's Sovereignty Act. And four of them got together and had a press conference, basically condemning it. Leela here, Brian Jean, Jean, Jean Sondi, and Travis Taves have, all held a press conference at the Weston Hotel in Calgary on Thursday to voice their opposition to fellow candidate Daniel Smith, Alberta Sovereignty Act.

I tell you what, it is a dog fight on that side. And we were just talking about how everybody, everybody's getting together, you know, from prime minister to lieutenant general to, you know, just everybody, the outgoing premier, everybody's slamming on her. It just continues. Like this is, I don't, I don't know. Like, I don't even know what to say about it, right? Like, literally just coming through the wire here as we're going.

And honestly, anything that Danielle Smith has said regarding healthcare in Alberta, she's been attacked on by both sides. And, you know, the way I think about it is, you know, Travis, Lila, Rajan, all of whom, you know, served in Kenny's cabinet, you know, they stood by while AHS, you know, know, did their vaccine mandates while we, you know, we had the digital passports and so on. I mean, they, they didn't do anything to take on problems in the health care system, corruption, what have you. So, you know, it's, you know, credit to Daniel Smith, a big credit to Daniel Smith, really for even just bringing it up. I mean, you see how people attack you when you say anything bad about a.

or the college, I mean, when she said that the college should be dismantled, I mean, you know, the media and many in the media and the NDP allies, they were losing their minds, right? And I mean, there's nothing really controversial about that. You know, you've got a college that is not functioning properly. Actually, my first thought, William, when I hear that is, why? Why would you say that? Isn't that's a dumb idea? It's like, it's an idea. Why would you say that? I guess I'm

interested in exploring all ideas at this point, right? Because what we've done with a lot of different things, lots of it's worked. I mean, look at society. We're not in this horrendous place, but there are certain ideas that get absolutely mothballed or swept

under the rug or no time on air, blah, blah, blah. And you go, well, why is that? And the more times you ask why, the more times I run into people such as yourself and the list continues to grow of you go oh there's a bit of an agenda here and the more you see it the more you see it and it just keeps unfolding right in front of us and uh once again here I sit recording and and whether it's by chance or not there's there's a press conference to slammer which is quite wild to see um anyways I've enjoyed this and uh I want to finish up with this. It's the final question on all the episodes here for the last chunk of time. It's brought to you by Crude Master Transport.

Shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald, who supported the podcast since the very beginning. And these were his words. He said, if you're going to stand behind something, then stand behind it. What's one thing, William, stands behind? You know, it's

changed over time. When I first came to Alberta, really my only goal was to take these cutting-edge cancer treatments and make them available to everyone that I could, make it available to every Albertan, get them approved, and then have them made available to everyone in Canada. These are incredible cancer treatments,

you know, with a very high response rate. And, you know, we really give hope to end-stage cancer patients who are out of options. I have patients who had failed every, single treatment option and we had stopped their cancer or cured their cancer and they lived many years afterwards a completely healthy life. So my, my, what I stood behind was I really wanted to make this available to everyone that I could. AHS took that away from me. So I can no longer, you know, pursue that dream. But, you know, these days, you know, life circumstances have have led me

to this, to being vocal online. And I truly am against COVID vaccine mandates, not just for healthcare workers, but, you know, just throughout. But since I'm in healthcare, you know, I really want to see the COVID-19 vaccine mandates scrapped in healthcare in Canada, because I think they've been extremely destructive. And it's not just that you have a small percentage

of unvaccinated doctors and nurses who get fired, and we need those doctors, we need those nurses, we need every single health care worker. We cannot afford to push hundreds or thousands of healthcare workers into retirement or push them to leave Canada because they can't work. We need them, right? But it's not just that. It's what a vaccine mandate has done,

because it's unethical, because it's unscientific, the fact that they've pushed these in the healthcare workplaces is they've really poisoned the healthcare work environment. And the way I look at this is that when even vaccinated healthcare workers see how their unvaccinated colleagues were abused and shunned from society and had their careers destroyed, their reputations destroyed, they will see this and they'll say, okay, well, what if I don't want the fifth shot or sixth shot or seventh shot, they're going to come after me next? What is happening right now to the unvaccinated will happen to me, you know, a few months from now, a year from now.

And people shut down. Healthcare really relies on the Pareto principle, which is, you know, you've got a minority of people that do the majority of work. You've got very conscientious people in health care, doctors, nurses, who take on more than the average person, who take on more patients, who take on more shifts. And so you have a group of people in healthcare who really keep the healthcare system going. And when you poison the work environment with vaccine mandates and you say, look, now we're going to abuse healthcare workers, we're going to push unscientific mandates, we're going to take away informed consent, we're going to take away your right to bodily autonomy. that really has a very corrosive effect on the workplaces in the hospitals, clinics, and so on. So now what you see is you've got shortages everywhere. And it's not because of the few unvaccinated people that they got rid of.

That is a factor, absolutely. But what they've done is they've poisoned the workplace. You've got conscientious people who now are scared. And they're like, well, they're going to come after me next. maybe I'm going to be looking for early retirement. Maybe I should look to move elsewhere. And, you know, it's just been very, very corrosive and destructive. And I think it's damaged our healthcare systems throughout Canada.

So if there's one thing that, you know, if in any way, any small way I can contribute towards, whether it's, you know, battling with the Hs and the courts or whether it's sending a letter to the Canadian Medical Association, I want to see COVID-19 vaccine mandates scrapped, not just in Alberta, but really across Canada, because that's the only way we can actually start to repair our healthcare systems. Well, I appreciate you coming on and give me some of your time today. And I think I speak for the audience when I say it's been thought-provoking. And any time I get guests such as yourself,

I'm sure we'll cross pass again somewhere down the road. But appreciate what you stand for with your principles and everything else. And look forward to, you know, seeing what the future holds. Hopefully brighter days ahead. Either way, William, I appreciate you sitting down with me today. Thank you, Sean. I appreciate it.