Shaun Newman Podcast - #325 - Wayne Peters

Episode Date: October 7, 2022

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So buckle up. Here we go. This is Wayne Peters and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Wayne Peters. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on. Pleasure. As we were talking just a minute ago, I think this is a long overdue.

I'm glad to finally get a chance to sit down and have an actual discussion. Well, I, um, for the listening. So I can't remember. I should have wrote this down. I had a listener text me. Your name has come up more than once, but a listener text me last week and I'm like, you know, it is long overdue.

And I got to tell this, I don't know if it's a fun little story, but a story about Wayne because I don't highly doubt Wayne knows this. But when I first started interviewing the Julie Panassies, the Stephen Pellix, you know, I went down that road, essentially August 2021,

somewhere in that time frame. I stumbled on to this. guy named Wayne Peters. And I started watching your stuff at that time. It was on YouTube, if memory serves me correct. And I was looking at the dates you'd interviewed those people. And it'd been like six months, maybe even longer than that prior to when I interviewed Julie Panassi. And I'll take the listener back. At the time I interviewed her, it was about three days later that she was stepped away or removed from her job out east. And I remember thinking, like, holy man, who is Wayne?

And how on earth did he like tap into this? You know, lots of people say, I was, I was on it right from the beginning. And I'm the complete opposite. I was like, I was not on it from the very beginning. I was kind of like, huh. But I stumbled on your stuff, started listening to it. And then followed suit and started interviewing a ton of the people you'd had on. And certainly a bunch of people that had come out of the woodworks after that.

So first off, my hat's off to you. Because you were one of the guys who was first through the door taken. I can't imagine what having those. people on. I'm sure the appreciation was huge, but I'm sure people coming at you must have been wild too. So either way, thanks for

helping this guy out because without some of the interviews you did, I wouldn't have had any direction on people to go interview in Canada particularly because all of your content at the time, if memory serves me, correct, was a bunch of Canadian doctors, professors,

lawyers, you name it. Anyways, you get the point. Yeah, it was a, it was, it was an interesting time. So I, in, I guess I need to set a little bit of a backstory on this. You know, I'd had 15 years of, of fire and rescue training and work experience. So when they first came out with the masks and stuff, I was all over that. I mean, 15 years as a breathing air specialist, I knew that this was a load of bunk. and I really didn't want to get involved in the medical side of it because that wasn't my my side of understanding that this, what they were doing was not just criminal and insane, but it was dangerous.

So that's, I started getting involved in the whole COVID thing. I mean, I'd been covering events and issues across Canada, driving back and forth across country for a couple of years, three years at that point. but I started to dig into this whole nonsense and I'd seen a post on Twitter. And you're right. I was on YouTube. I had a wide, a pretty good audience on YouTube. And I come across a post on Twitter about some doctors that were looking to have a debate with the Ontario Medical Association.

And nobody'd ever heard of these guys. Nobody knew anything about them. So I started digging. I was curious. was brave enough to do that. And I came across Dr. Byron Bridal and this group of doctors that had challenged the Ontario health to a debate. And it was interesting because at that time, nobody had ever heard of Dr. Bridal,

Dr. Pennessy, Dr. Alexander, any of these doctors. And they were very nervous about it. So they literally drew straws as to be, so who would come on my show and talk about this initiative to challenge for a debate, and Dr. Bridal lost out. And I remember that show so vividly in the five minutes pre-show just chatting with him. He was so nervous. He was stuttering so bad.

I didn't know at the time that he actually had Tourette's, but I thought, okay, well, this guy, he really needs to talk. And that was the premise of my show is, people can hear me. any time they want all they got to do is call me when i get so guest on that's their time to get out everything that they need to to share and he it was like he he i think he felt in that moment he was never going to get a chance to speak again because he was like a fire hose he and uh he went for an hour and a half and literally 30 seconds after we were done a recording my phone started to ring and it did not stop ringing for four days straight i'd get

up in the morning there'd be 25 messages people trying to get a hold of me wanting to know what was going on and i'd already spoken with some of the other doctors and i said you know if this goes well i'd like to to give each one of you a show so that uh you guys could get out your specialty and and and people could actually see some faces not these anonymous quote unquote experts that was the thing that i wanted to do is as i wanted people that had faces to you know that that could be connected that humanity to this thing instead of these nameless experts. So that, it really changed everything that I do. That one show, I realized by the time I was done interviewing the nine doctors that were

a part of that initiative, this was not going to go away. And for the next three months, it was absolutely crazy. But out of that was born something else. after interviewing all of these doctors and scientists and specialists, after every interview, they wanted to do more. They wanted to do more. And so I was very, you know, very networked. I knew people in a lot of different things.

So I thought, well, what can we do to do a little bit more? And that was kind of the push behind the ethics over fear task group, which has become kind of a powerhouse in its own right. It's not an attention organization. It's not something that, you know, is out there beating down the bushes. It's a work group that, you know, looks at how that they can bring tools, information, knowledge, expertise to bear in different ways. So it's been, it's been a blessing. It's also been a curse. It's cost me, I don't know, four different YouTube channels, a couple of Facebook pages, a couple of Twitter accounts, you name it.

banned off of LinkedIn. So it's been quite a roller coaster ride, but it's definitely been worth it. And I can't imagine my life any differently now. Well, you're one of the first guys when you got banned from YouTube, and I couldn't find what I was looking for anymore. A, that was really frustrating. But two, then I got banned from YouTube.

But I was like, well, I guess I'm just falling in Wayne's shoes at the time. I remember thinking that because I'm like, well, I mean, it sucks. Because within, you know, one fatal swoop, it was just like a snap of my fingers and you're removed and everything you'd work for was just was out the door. Those early interviews, though, I just remember, you know, now it's funny because there's just so much information. It's information overload now where I just can't. We were talking about this before we started. Like, it's just like the amount of information that gets thrown my way is insane. but back then I was so hungry for information

and you mentioned it I think you were one of the I have no idea Wayne you probably have a better idea in Canada though I don't remember of anyone else that I could find anything quite like that it was Canadian content certainly I could go anywhere on the world and find some doctor some whatever wanting to talk and everybody flocked to it but in Canada I remember thinking like why is nobody in Canada talking and then I stumbled on on your stuff and the cool thing was is it was Canadians talking about Canadian stuff

with Canadian experts and the hunger for that was in my own words I think insane everybody just wanted something like that they still do but now there's you know you mentioned it I think there was like five people at the start

and now you can't keep up with everybody else's show and all the different people starting to tell their stories and it's a great thing I think it's really good that so many people are getting a voice and getting an opportunity to speak. But in those early days, what you did, I don't know, my hands off to you. There was nothing out there.

And it's interesting because once I started to do that, by the time I had gotten three or four interviews done, I was still on YouTube, a couple of channels and on those kinds of things. You're right, the hunger was just overwhelming. and it, but it was really interesting because I got into this real pattern because you're right, nobody in Canada was doing a focused look at, at this from expert level. You know, people were talking about some of the events in the news, doctors being cut up and hit pieces and that kind of stuff, but there really wasn't a body of work on that. So once I started to do that, it was really interesting because,

because it seemed like these doctors would be on Tucker Carlson on one night and they'd be on my show the next day. And this happened for like a month and a half, you know, Tucker's show the day before and mine the next because there was nobody in Canada doing that. And now I can't keep up to everybody that's doing these kinds of things. So I'm grateful for that. I think that it was kind of pioneering some bravery perhaps. and and uh part of it certainly pioneering some bravery sorry to hop in just for a quick sec because i remember having Andrew Liebenberg and he was a doctor from south um south africa come in and sit and when you talk about um byram being like so nervous that's the interview i remember him and roger

hodkins and yelling at me i think everybody can remember that one now that was that was quite eventful but roger uh byron uh sorry Andrew Liebenberg is a name that nobody will know because he is you know he didn't become this um infamous or famous or whatever word you want to tag to it uh over the past couple years he was a young guy young family um but could see and he didn't come in and say anything crazy was just talking about medical ethics but he was shaking in the chair like it was just like so evident to me and you know you go back to when you talk about you and Tucker going back and forth it's crazy to think isn't it Like, that's pretty, I mean, everybody knows who Tucker Carlson is by now.

And if you don't, just search the name and you'll find out exactly who he is. I'm pretty sure everyone on this audience knows exactly who it is, but regardless. Well, it was an interesting time, right? Because when I was interviewing those doctors, nobody had ever heard of them. Now they're some of the most famous faces in the world. And people really didn't understand the level of medical expertise and knowledge that we had in Canada at our, you know, at our disposable if we were brave enough to, to do it. And it was the same for the doctors.

And that was one of the things that I wanted them to know is that this was a safe space. They could, you know, there was, we were not there to, to do this so that anybody could be right. This was about getting facts and information. And that was early on in all of this. And those doctors have, were then. just in the forming stages of this organization called the Canadian COVID-Care Alliance. And so that was born in that time. And the first three or four months that they were setting up their platform,

the only content they had was interviews from What's Up Canada, the interviews that they had done on. That's what it were. You said it again. And you were one of the first through the gate. and it gave guys like myself and I know a whole bunch of other people a little bit of courage to be like it's okay to speak about these things because if you go back it's I've heard like Theo talk about it lots and there's a bunch of others talk about just like they talk about the trauma

created over the last two years and things like that and just in my own life I was terrified to have some of those interviews released because I was like I don't know what this means for me. You know, I tell this story all the time, Wayne. I wanted Wayne Grexky. That's who I wanted. I didn't want, you know, Peter McCullough or Roger O'Honkinson to come in and just lose his beans.

But at the same time, I was okay to let the reins go for a bit because I'm like, I don't know where this has got to go, but it's got to go somewhere because the only way I get to talk about Wayne Grexky is the days where we don't have to worry about such insanity happening in my daily life all the time. and nobody willing to even broach the subject. And one of the cool things about people like yourself going through the gate first, or the door or whatever we want to call it, is now, you know, there's no free passes anymore if you're in government or, I mean,

it isn't where it needs to be at all. But people are talking, and there's lots of shows talking, and there's shows popping up all the time because there's great people that stood their ground and have built a bit of a following or an audience, and now they're interviewing different people from across Canada, from across the world. And you're starting to have these discussions. And it's taken time because it's not a,

it's not a, you know, the car on the race strip that just fires up and away it goes. It's more of like the old steam engine or something like where it's going to take a little bit of time. But once it gets moving, we're starting to see how different shows. The problem is, is you got a, you know, an opponent that's been prepping and moving for a long time.

And we're seeing that as different issues continue to rise today. Well, you know, that's interesting that you bring this up, this transition and evolution. And this was something that I was keenly aware of back in early 2019 when I actually, 2018, 2019, when I started to do this, I was kind of a reluctant participant. I had no interest in being on the camera. I had no interest in being in personality or any of those kinds of things. but I was looking at what was going on and realizing that there was nobody that was turning on their camera and covering the truth to, you know, counter what the legacy media was doing.

So I was keenly aware of that. I'd spent 20 years in marketing and full-stack web development. And I knew the flaw in the system, shall we say. And I still see this to this day. but I tried to teach people about that and I'll explain that in a moment. I tried to teach people and they couldn't understand it either. I was too far, I guess because of my knowledge, 20 years and doing this kind of stuff before that, I didn't want to be the pace of anything.

I knew how to create something that would work, but I couldn't get buy-in. So at that point, I was doing work for everybody else on every other page and channel under the sun. And I was like, okay, well, I can't teach them this way. So I'll just do it. And people will learn. So when I first started doing covering events, live stream, using live stream, going back 2018, 2019, I was one of the early ones doing that.

And people learned very quickly through the convoy in 2019 that, wait a minute, we could beat censorship simply by being whackamoles. And that was kind of what happened. And although Canada didn't get to see a lot of that, the world sure did in 2019. And going back that far, people don't realize why the convoy and the event in Ottawa in January, why it had such massive international attention immediately was because most people didn't realize that in 2019, the convoy that went to Ottawa was one of the most followed subjects in the world for 72 hours straight, the United Reroll hashtag was the number one searched hashtag in the

world. We were streaming to 140 different countries through that little convoy of people. Nobody in Canada was seeing it, but the whole world was. And they waited. And they waited three years for us to do it again. So when we did, the world lit up on a dime because they had been waiting for Canada to lead the way in the resistance. So it was interesting to see this transition where four years ago, three years ago, there was almost nobody when I launched my platform. And now people don't even go to the news anymore because they know they're only going to get to truth through alternatives. So it's been a long time coming. I knew it was going to take an evolution, a time frame. And that was kind of what I wanted to show people. And part of what I've

done over the last couple of years now is help people understand. how to avoid or evade the censorship just because you're deplatformed on one platform. That doesn't mean it's year over, right? Adapt, improvise, and overcome. It's something that the alternative industry has gotten pretty good at. And I think that just by doing what we do, it helps others, you know, not just in the bravery, but also in the understanding and the evolution of it all. a couple things one i i think i you know i'm doing my listeners a little disservice here because

i i just assume they know who wayne peters is and i chuckled because normally what i do is i get you know and get the guest to kind of and you've been you know i think by this time they're getting a good feel for you wayne but you've uh you rattle off a bunch of things and i go hmm maybe what i should do with you right now is there's going to be a ton of people who've never heard of Wayne. They've never heard of your organization. Maybe they followed you at the start. Maybe they didn't. Who is Wayne? And what leads to 2018? Because I've, I've certainly paid attention, I think enough, but at times I go, you start rattling some things off and I'm like, no, definitely didn't know about that, right? So maybe I know we're 20 minutes in and I'm chuckling at myself

because sometimes I get, you know, almost a little bit giddy listeners of, you know, having somebody on the way we go in the banter follows and certainly having another guy who hosts another show. It just comes so easy. But for the listener who doesn't know Wayne, how does Wayne get to where he's at? And you've kind of given a light description, but you've got a ton of history there and a ton of expertise. What leads you to 2018? I think 2018 is a pivotal year for you. what leads you to there for the background portion and then what is maybe the eye-opening event or what have you that puts you in position to go to Ottawa in 2019 when the events are unfolding with the pandemic what leads you to being in a position where you just start interviewing doctors

you know like there's there's a lot there and we can spend a lot of time on it but I think for the listener to get to know Wayne a bit better I think it'd probably be really important I guess I kind of have to take it back to where I come from a little bit. I come from the most remote, the farthest north community in Alberta. I grew up in a place where I think I was into my mid or late 20s before we got our second TV channel up there. We had CBC. So I had no interest in radio or TV. So I was always all about the research.

I mean, I was a bookworm. I was a student of history. I was always the one that tell me no and watch me. You know, kind of grew into that here, hold my beer person. And always looking for something that would challenge me. I'd been through a number of years of reserve training. I'd worked in fire and rescue. By then, I think people might call it a bit of an adrenaline.

junkie type of thing. No, I mean, it wasn't crazy, but I was always looking for something that was going to keep me going, you know, racing cars, you know, whatever. It didn't really matter. I couldn't, I was never one to sit on my hands. And I'd been observing how the world had been, in my opinion, coming apart. And I didn't, I felt very isolated and alone in all of those things. when Trudeau and Notley came in or when Notley came into Alberta first, I just opened up a huge brick and mortar business and it was crushed by the economy that happened almost immediately. So I was quite disillusioned.

But I'd been seeing what had been going on in Europe and I thought, okay, I'm going to go look for myself because, I mean, I was very, had a horrible taste in my mouth from, you know, just losing, having my business collapse and all of those things. Because it had always been an overachiever. So that was really, really stuck in my cross. I went to Europe. I spent six months over there. And looking at, at that time, it was the migrant caravans.

I call them invasions now. But what I was seeing in the news and all over the world was not what I was seeing with my own eyes, boots on the ground over there. So I came back. What year are we talking here? We're talking 2014, 2015, early 2015 was when I went to Europe. And when you talk about Europe and seeing things firsthand, what was mainstream saying and what were you seeing? What's the event that you saw differently? Oh, these poor migrants, these poor, poor migrants, you know, and I couldn't help but notice that there were no women and children.

None. There was no old men. There was no young children. These were fighting aged men marching by the tens of thousands. And getting mugged in Amsterdam was kind of a reality check on, okay, well, these aren't poor migrants. Some of these are criminals. And what they're telling us in the news is not. accurate.

The populations were terrified that were being invaded by these communities. The crime levels were going through the roof, the instant they would arrive. But that would not a single bit of that was in the news or media. There was zero truth about what the impact was on these communities that were literally having their populations double overnight. That's no community easily. deals with that.

So it was, I was very disillusioned. I knew our government had been lying to us. I'd never had a faith in our Canadian government. I'd survived the first Trudeau. As a child, one of my aunts had married a Japanese fella. So I learned about the Japanese internment camps by the time I was 10.

So I always had this healthy skepticism of our government and our institutions. and the news and media, I'd seen so many of the lies. So when I was over there, I came back very disillusioned. Honestly, at that point, I had kind of decided that there was no saving the world. I was going to develop a laptop lifestyle where I could go and find a warm place to live up my days and die old and poor and warm rather than old and poor and cold in Canada. That was kind of my mindset going into 2018. I want to pause there for a second. I want to go back to anytime somebody says,

I live through the first Trudeau. I think, you know, I'm too young to remember. I just, how the heck would I know? I've heard the stories. I've certainly read some on it, you know, this and that, and I've had some old-timers talk about some different times that are pretty troubling. But what sticks out to you about the first,

reign of a Trudeau in Canada. And why are we so poor or, or why don't we, I don't know if it's, why don't we learn, right? Like if it was so bad the first time, why did it is the second time anyone think it'd be any different? Because it wasn't so bad for all of Canada the first time. Quebec made out like bandits, right? Their life immediately got, got better. The cost of living went down.

they didn't have environmental issues. They didn't have to drill for oil. They didn't have to supply their own energy and resources. I was in my early teens when that happened. And for me, the impact was catastrophic. My parents lost their business. All of a sudden, I literally was stuck taking lard or potato sandwiches to school every day because there was nothing else. I had to quit hockey.

My brothers had to quit hockey. I literally at 13 got a job in Alberta and a grocery store, not for the wages, but because I could take home the expired goods that people couldn't afford to buy anymore. So I literally at 13 was keeping my family fed because there was nothing else. There was no welfare. There was no assistance. And my story in Alberta at that time was so not unusual. It was very, that was the norm in Alberta.

So although I didn't understand the politics of it all, I grew up with a very deep-seated dislike of the government and the Trudeau's. And it was very justified, I think, when I watched our communities collapsing around me. I mean, like I say, I didn't understand the politics, but I sure understood the devastation. And it wasn't felt across Canada-wide. So typically, people don't learn the lesson until the price they pay is high enough. And now Canada as a whole is starting to see where that has led us after 30, 40 years of this dynasty. You think it's been going on for 30 or 40 years? I know it's been going on a lot longer than that.

The difference is that Trudeau figured out a loophole, the senior Trudeau figured out a loophole and managed to put the screws to us again. How so, when? Trudeau Senior figured out that Canada is not. a sovereign nation. And he put this charade over Canadians by putting on this giant spectacle of repatriating our constitution or our charter of rights and freedoms. But at the end of it, in the fine print, it ended up at this point being an imaginary document because it was never ratified.

The French were never going to give up their language as their first language. And this document being put in a position of force and effect was, contingent on the French giving up their language. So that was buried in there. Trudeau knew it was never going to happen. So that set up the charade where Canada for 40 years now is believed that we have this powerful document called the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and it's never really been ratified.

It really carries no more weight than a monopoly board. And through that and understanding that a de facto government cannot be held accountable, there is no methodology to it. is literally maritime law, and they are the equivalent of pirates. And people don't understand the magnitude of that. And that, unfortunately, that ball got dropped by our great, great grandparents when they were supposed to do their due diligence in 1931, early 30s. They didn't do it.

That was the Great Depression. They couldn't be bothered. They were busy with trying to survive, never mind politics. and then came the Great War. And after that, life was good. We had a booming economy. So Canadians never got the job done that they were supposed to do in 1931, which was to hold constitutional conventions to decide whether we wanted to remain a united nation of 10 provinces and states

or have individual sovereignty. So that was the choice that Canadians were supposed to decide in the early 30s, and they never did. So we have run now for. 90 years on this illusion of Canada. And the implications of that are staggering. You know, when we look at the Ukrainian war and people screaming, oh, Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

No, they're not. They had never been a sovereign nation. And we have no more right to claim that Ukraine is a sovereign nation and Russia has no right to them than we do our own country. So this level of our own history and knowledge has been so stolen from Canadian. that we, it's put us in a precarious situation and until the price we pay again is high enough, we will never start to look to real solutions. So this is why I'm so excited about what everything then is happening across this country now

because these facts will start to come out because they have no choice. When we see provinces moving towards separation, that forces the discussion. I sat with Derek Sloan last year and spoke. to him about this and he's like, yeah, we know. It's a de facto country, which means unlawful, but through implied consent, we're doing it anyway. That is how our governmental system operates through implied consent. So until we take control of our own government, none of this I can actually expect to change. So that isn't the power of the people. I just literally had Brian Peckford on for the second time. He's a guy that, you know, is touted as being a signatory for, you know,

essentially the bill that, but we never talk about what you just said. Why is that? It's, it's an, the only time I've heard it spoken about publicly was when Trudeau mentioned the Quebec problem. Have you ever heard that before? The Quebec problem. When he was signing over more gratuities to Quebec, last year, he mentioned it only briefly. That is what is, when you hear the term, the Quebec problem, that's what they're referring to, is that until those, and forgive me, I'm not the guy that remembers the exact, you know, numbers in the, in the, in the documents,

but that's very clearly laid out on a platform called the myth is Canada. Such an appropriate name for a platform, but he explains it all out there. So if people want the documentation, the facts, the evidence, and all of the legal precedents that back up what I'm saying, you'll find it all on that platform. But it's an uncomfortable conversation because our entire government and society revolves around our government doing what they are doing through implied consent. So this is why we will never see a political move towards remedy on this because we cannot force our politicians into remedy. That was established in 1992 in the Little Child case that if we don't like what our elected representatives are doing, our only recourse is to elect somebody else at the next opportunity. That is the precedent. So since then, there has been nothing to compel them to fix the actual problems.

So then how do we fix the actual problems? The incident, we have one province that legitimately moves towards separation and end. it forces that to happen. Because literally, it is the right of every province and territory to go through this process. Incidentally, it is the same process that Chile is going through. It is the same process that Iceland went through in the early 2010s seating constitutional conventions. It's the same way America created their constitutional republic or the constitutional republic. and that is what is recognized in that jurisdiction of law,

the international jurisdiction of law. So there's so many of these things that keep coming back to BITUS, for example, when Trudeau goes and he's campaigning for a seat on the UN Security Council, he was never going to get a seat on the UN Security Council for the same reason Harper was never going to get a seat on the U.S. Security Council because you have to be a sovereign nation to hold a seat on the UN Security Council. So this is why Russia sits on the UN Security Council, and we don't.

These things, nobody wants to have those discussions because they believe they're not a valid discussion, because through implied consent, this is what we're doing anyways. So until it's forced to happen by one province actually going through the process, they'll start that discussion and will start to come up. So I am not in favor of separation or independence at all, but I also understand that until people are forced to have that, I don't think in Canada we ever will. Okay.

You mentioned Harper and Trudeau in the same sentence. One, if you sit on listening to this conversation, you're going to put a lot of stock on Harper. Now, maybe you've been falling along for a long time and you go, that's not quite true, Sean. Fair enough. But I would say you put him on one side and you put Trudeau on the other side. You just mentioned something that I go, so are they really smart and understand that this can never happen? you mentioned on the council, getting a seat? Or are they both really dumb in not understanding the rules?

Politics is all about the optics and public opinion. And this is the difference between what America has in a constitutional republic and what we have in a democracy, in a democracy, democracy is ruled by the mob. So whatever flavor of discontent the mob has is the democracy. So this is why in our Canadian politics, right from the bottom, up, you'll always hear this, we're going to wait to see which way the wind blows. That is why. We are ruled by the mob.

You make some very interesting points because I've been, come from a hockey background. So I always say, I'd really love to have Stevie Y as our, you know, I joke, you know, prime minister or whatever, uh, premier, whatever, you get the point. Because here's a guy and, uh, somehow I always bring hockey back into. to it, but if people recall, and maybe you don't, you go back to when he was a gym of the Tampa Bay Lightning. And everybody was on him to trade one of his players, Young Star, and he just kind of held out and weathered the storm and then made a move that was not only beneficial to Tampa Bay, but you look at what Tampa Bay's done in the past, you know, a decade, and he's no longer

there, but they've won a couple cups and, you know, they've become a powerhouse in the NHL and yada, yada, yada. And I'm like, why is it we can't have a politician who does the same thing that doesn't go with the mob, at least, you know, the mob changes on a day by day basis, almost, almost. Why can't you have somebody who stands up there and just, no, we're not doing that? Because the individuals that stand up there represent the parties and the parties are what controls the individuals. And if you don't tour the party line, you end up on the outside.

and the parties are contractually obligated to do the worst nightmares for Canadians that we could possibly imagine. And that is where it comes down to the mob. Even the individuals are controlled by the mob of their party. And where we are right now is, and this is what really makes me shake my head, is this political divide, you know, is amazing. imaginary. It's at this point completely ineffective way literally left wing, right wing. It's the same sick bird. When we look at what we're facing here in Canada right now in 2022, 2020, 2021, all of these laws and policies that don't make sense to Canadians in any way, shape, or form are simply because

all of the establishment parties are contractually obligated. to agreements that have absolutely zero Canadian interest at the core of them. None, right? So they sign these international agreements, say that these are non-binding agreements, yet everything that they do in our country to uphold that non-binding agreement, that doesn't go away if they tear up that agreement. They could tear up that UNSDA today. Wouldn't change the laws that they've implemented that turn us into a totalitarian state.

Right. So this is why it doesn't matter. And I say it doesn't matter because people look at Trudeau and blame him for signing that UNSDA. Well, that's not entirely where all of the blame goes because Stephen Harper and Jason Kenney drafted the UNSDA. So who's going to save us when they're both in on it? What do you think then of what's going on in Alberta right now? We are like just days away from having a new premier. And you got a lady is a frontrunner who's talking about sovereignty and different things like that.

Does that give you, you know, hope? Are you like, it's a charade? What does Wayne see at, you know, because the other thing is I ran into Arder Poloski. I was doing the event for Canadians for Truth. Geez, what was that? Like, oh, time's warped right now, 10 days ago, whatever it was. and he's running for the Alberta Independence Party. And I forget their,

I can't remember if that's their actual handle or if that's their slogan anyways. You get the point. He's going to be running for Premier in May, right? And so what's your thoughts on the entire, you know, look? Because if I read the tea leaves of what you're laying down, you go, it doesn't matter who's at the head of the UCP. Either way, it's bad.

And long term, it doesn't get us out of the funk we're in. I'm very much a pragmatist. I will give anybody if they do something good or say something right. I don't care which party it is. I will give them credit for that. And I don't care which party it is. If it's not in the interest of the people, I will call them out for that.

I kind of like Danielle a little bit. When she was still being a journalist, we covered some events together. I remember Jason Kenney's Fair Deal panel. Daniel and I were at one of those that are first or second one and and we talked to each other for a minute there. We're like comparing notes because both of us were kind of going, wait a minute, there's 150 people in here.

All of the seats were RSVPed and 140 of the seats in here are all NDP staffers. Wait a minute. What's going on here? So the only thing the Fair Deal panel was listening to was a room full of NDP staffers. So we're at these panels and then we're hearing about, oh, we need workers rights for male sex workers and safe space. And this is the kind of garbage that was being dumped on Kenny's Fair Deal panel. And we never even really did get a result out of all of that. It was just another giant scam.

So, I mean, I'll give her credit for calling stuff out where as she does. but at the same time I have questions because she's been kind of a flip flop herself in her political attempts in the past right so I don't make a a permanent decision on on anybody everybody has the ability to change their ways I do believe you can shoot old dogs can learn new tricks I don't just say that because I'm white I believe in it but you know I I'm glad I'm glad that do I think she's going to save Alberta? No. Is she going to bring some important discussions to the table? Yes. So that I am all for. So the whole, the heart of the left wants to, to, to discount her. Jason Kenney calling as radicals taking over the ship. Whatever. I don't care. Let's have some discussions. You know, put away the labels. Let's have some discussions because at some point, the labeling is not going to stop the discussion. So the sooner we get. there the happier I'll be for it. And then Canadians across the board will realize that they can't ignore this in Alberta.

Because if Alberta pushes far enough, what ends up ultimately happening is every national treaty and policy has to be revisited. Doesn't matter you're in Newfoundland or British Columbia. If Alberta separates, you've got to reestablish all of your policies, international trade policies, finance policies, everything is back on the table. So that's the part that I'm kind of hoping comes out of this cacophony in Alberta. Well, it's interesting. I've been paying, I don't need to keep saying this.

But like for me, politics wasn't on my, I didn't grow up in a political family. Certainly before I had kids, I cared zero iotas about it. heck, I lived out of country for close to a, not close to it. I was away from home for over a decade, but I would say I lived out of Canada for, you know, half a decade, that type of thing and got to experience different parts of the world. But the longer this goes on, the more I start to dial it in, like, okay, where's the next great opportunity for things to really change? And I look at the next, whatever it is, eight months roughly in Alberta, there's going to be some change.

because even what Daniels talked about has changed the mob, if you will, what they're thinking about because she's been so open to talking about different things. So you've seen, you know, the conversation go from point A to point B very rapidly. And it's really spurred on a whole bunch. But as soon as whoever gets elected, whether it's Danielle or, you know, Todd Lowen or Brian Jean or Travis Taves, I think of the probably the top four, roughly. whoever gets elected there. In May we got another election, right?

So now you're going to have the big, you know, Artur Poloski, for a lot of people, a specialist in this, they know exactly who he is. And the fact he got elected in there is going to carry some weight because he has a lot of name recognition in what he went through in the last two years.

And there's a lot of people that hold that in pretty darn high regard. So if you get a UCP and an NDP who are talking something that the people don't want, There could be a big push there. And that's interesting because you just go, so many years go by where there's just nothing interesting happening in any province, or at least it seems that way. And in Alberta, Wayne, it's heating up real fast. I mean, geez, like October 6th is coming awfully, awfully quick.

And then on top of that, whenever they get in, it ain't far behind where you get it all over again. So it's interesting. You're sitting in a different province than me, though. You're sitting out in Manitoba. What's going to happen in Manitoba? that maybe the audience should know about. Yeah. I've only been in Manitoba a little while and I came here because

Manitoma seemed to be this giant black hole. What do we ever hear about Manitoba anywhere? Nothing. Exactly. Exactly. My only experience in all of this last five years of dealing with Canada's problems head on, my only interaction with Manitoba was

how fast could I drive across it? And I'm, so I'd been invited to do some speaking events last fall out here. And so I came and went on kind of a whirlwind tour. And I was like, wait a minute, these people are here way more lit than what we realize and understanding that

Canada is so broad. And there are so many cultures and differences. And every part of this country is very different. Even though we are the same, it is still different. And I realized in Manitoba, wait a minute, here's a province where you're not going to see it on Facebook the instant they've made toast. You know what I mean? They're just getting stuff done, right? So I really wanted, I was curious.

And so that's kind of, I came out here to kind of just embed myself a little bit and to get a feel for, you know, how is this happening and what is actually going on in Manitoba? And Manitoba is struggling through the same issues as every other province. The difference is is that the people here are working together, whatever it is that they're working on. it's not all about, you know, how many views do they get out for sharing it on Facebook? They're just, they're just interested in solutions, not making noise, just getting things done. I've seen a huge grassroots initiative raising here against the indoctrination in the schools. I'm seeing school boards and school divisions that are in trouble because people aren't screaming into school divisions.

They're just taking their kids out and finding alternatives. So we're seeing an explosion in home education or alternative education school boards that are that are financially in trouble because of these kinds of things. They're just taking control of their communities again and not talking about it on Facebook so much. That's not their go-to thing. They just want results. They're not looking for attention. They're just looking for results. And that is what inspires me about being in Manitoba right now is seeing some of these fights happening.

I expect to see a wave of new school board trustees in Manitoba that they probably never experienced in one batch before or over the next coming period of time. I don't know how it's going to play into elections here in Manitoba. I'm not that plugged in yet, but it's inspiring to me to see the communities that have come together and established already alternative sustainability, alternative systems methodology.

A lot of communities out here aren't going to hurt as bad from the things that are coming down the pipe as others will. So that's what I see in Manitoba. I'm typing now. I actually had a listener, I actually had a listener reach out

and that's actually one of the things he asked about was he goes, you know, you talk to all these wonderful people that have amazing stories from across the country around the world and unique perspectives. But he goes, he gets, and I'm not putting, I'm putting words in his mouth, but the way I took the text was overwhelmed at all the different things. But he goes, what can the layperson new? What can you do? You know, how can I battle, you know, politicians and what they're doing and saying or, you know,

inflation or all these different things that are starting to really impact all over again, the everyday person. What would Wayne say for, because I think you have a beautiful insight in being in Manitoba, everything you just said is like, well, you just stop worrying about maybe some of the things you start focusing on your community is kind of what I took out of it. But what would Wayne say to the person who's trying to do something that can make their

life better. You know, that, I've answered that question many times of the last few years and it changes. My response changes to that. But overwhelmingly, I would have to encourage people to realize that our lives and our future are not in this avatar space, right? Reality happens not online. nobody goes online and tells their whole story they only share the best of them or what they're thinking or they're feeling they don't share all their skeletons in their closet there is nothing online that is real and too many of us are plugging our social value our community value our value to the world on what our social media or our web presence says and you know what that is not going to help anybody when things come apart.

So the number one thing that I would tell people is it's also the number one thing the government does not want to happen and that is for you to plug into the real community. Get off the internet. Go find people that are doing something that is putting their community first. And I don't mean some specialized community or some, you know, ultra virtue signaling community or any of those things.

Go get plugged in to the people that make things happen in your community. Get involved. Get to know some people because when things get tough, who are you going to lean on? You can't lean on people on

Facebook in Zimbabwe to help you find a can of tuna or a pack of of toilet paper you know what i mean uh people we have an amazing uh society here in canada that uh is is so different offline than it is online so yeah people want to do something find the people in your community that are plugged in uh if you want to know well where do i find those people look for a barter and trade group find one they are out there everywhere because those people

they know who is plugged in to everybody else. Find a gathering, and I'm not talking, you know, going to a protest or a rally, find something that, you know, is a community event and just get plugged in.

Start talking to each other again face to face rather than, you know, these things serve a purpose talking online, that's not where we live. Yeah. You, you brought up a really beautiful point.

Somebody asked me a while, back how I survived last, you know, now it's well over two years. And how I did that was there was a group of men in my community that I talked to almost every single day, especially at my low times. And those were tough times, but I had a support network of people that kind of propped you up. And I did the same for them and you get the point. And I remember a lady out of Calgary asked me that, you know, and it was a question that got asked an awful lot. And she never did a, respond back, which I hope I didn't, you know, like, scare her or something, you know, like, oh, I need a support group. That's the only way I can get through this. But what you just said is

it's beautiful because, like, you got to do the face-to-face thing, right? Like, I hate this. I would love nothing more than to have Wayne sitting in the studio so that we can sit and do this properly, because properly is one-on-one together. And the other thing is, is bad times, whether it's, you know, these giant things that are coming down the pipe, and I want to get Wayne's thoughts on that. Or just, you know, I just come back to a farmer I interviewed a long time ago. And you were talking about just drought. How do you prepare for that?

Well, and the good times you prepare for the bad. And certainly the bad is always out there. The bad is always coming. And you don't have to be a doomsday to say that. Like, you're going to have bad years. And how do you survive that, but preparing. And certainly what you're talking about is do that. Find the group.

So when things get bad, you have bad. you have people to lean on and vice versa and that is how you can link through some of the tough years or tough days even and it's good just for your mental health way like just honestly for your mental health it's huge we are not as a species we are not wired to be isolated isolated we are not a solo creatures and everything that has been dumped on us in the last number of years I fully believe is at war with three of the things that are the foundation of our society. And that is what's being hammered on to the point. We are being isolated from being grounded in those three things. And to me, this is going to kind of leapfrog a whole long ways through the timeline. but to see what happened recently in Italy, to me that's the best news of planet could have gotten.

And because, I mean, they can call her Mimosolini all of they want. She won an overwhelming victory on three principles, God, family, and country. And people are tired of this globalist, eco-terrorist insanity that takes us farther and farther and farther from those things that keep up. us functioning as solid human people, you know, creatures, whatever you species,

whatever you want to call it, we need certain things in order for us to thrive and be healthy. And that's pretty much covered the foundation of it under those three things. So everything that they are doing to us, all of these wedge subjects, these wedge topics are only created to intervene in those three things. things. Yeah, I've been saying for a long time, you have to protect your family, certainly yourself first, because if you're, you know, you're no good, you're no good to anyone, right?

Then the family, the family unit. And then the family unit helps make up the community. And communities are, you know, and what's happening right now is it's, I mean, it's seeped its way all the way in from the individual, marriages, families, everything. Everyone has been infighting about everything. And what does that do? makes communities not come together, makes them pull apart. And I always love telling the story of rats. I never thought I'd be a guy who talks about rats more than I do now. But I've heard so many great studies on them now.

You know, how do you get a rat addicted to cocaine? Well, it isn't putting a stack of cocaine in with a group of rats. They won't do it. They're community-oriented animals. And so if you put a thing of cocaine in with a group of rats, nobody will touch it. Now, if you put a rat in solitary confinement, by himself? What happens? They're addicted to cocaine. It's like, well, we can kind of see what's happening in society then when we all, you know, are terrified to even, and I live in a part of the

country, Wayne, where certainly that thought process went on for about two months. And certainly for two years for a lot of people, that was way it was prey. But there was a lot of good people in my area. I live in Redneck Alberta slash Saskatchewan, right? I've never been more proud of that. But for a lot of people who live in big centers, they had no idea what was going on. in different parts of this country. And then you go back to the rat study. You're like, well, you know, what's going to happen when you do two years of solitary confinement on people? It ain't good.

And it really ain't good. You know, Omar Carter got $10.5 million for a couple of months of solitary confinement. What do you think they owe us? Millions. Just to make a mockery out of it. But, you know, it's one of those things. And I feel it's important to highlight this. I say that these principles, you know, God, family, and country are the foundation of our society.

I don't say that because I want to create an argument over religion. What I want people to understand is it doesn't matter what my individual faith is. We live in a society that is governed by the recognition of God. And if you want to live in a society that is recognized as the office, opposite of God. There's places on earth where you can do that too, and you'll find that society is not nearly so kind and civil in those places in the world. And the reason why this is so important is because it doesn't matter. We live in a society that says it doesn't matter whether we believe in God or not. But what it does do is it alienates us from the understanding that the people that

oppose us, they don't believe in God either, but they absolutely believe in their God, their evil. whether it's bald, Satan, whatever you want to call them, the people, the cult that are against us intending to silence us, to exterminate it, whatever you want to call it, they don't care what we believe in. I don't care what you believe in, Sean. You shouldn't care what I believe in, but we should both care that they believe in a supreme evil, and that is what we need to focus on. So when I speak about God, it doesn't matter, right, what you think of me for that. I am not a religious person. I have been a horrible sinner, a large part of my life.

I probably don't deserve to get into heaven. Those are all of my own personal thoughts on that. That is my relationship. I am a stubborn child of God. He's got to hit me with a really big stick before I figure things out. But I also understand the difference between right and wrong and doing something out of spite because somebody's a Christian, that gets us nowhere, right? So when I talk about God, it's why I want to talk about that is to open up the conversations

so that people realize it doesn't matter what we as individuals believe, but we sure darn skip, you need to understand that the enemy 100% believes in what they are doing and they will sacrifice everything for what they believe in while we are busy squabbling about what each other believes in. Well, I think it doesn't surprise me God comes up. I've been saying, I don't know how long I've been. I've just noticed this for probably since Ottawa, honestly since Ottawa

of this year. And that there's been a huge resurgence. I'm not saying that it wasn't there before, but I would say up until Ottawa, God was almost a taboo topic, you know? That's the Canadian culture. There was two things you didn't talk about in Canada. If you were at a family event, it was religion and politics.

Yeah, isn't that the truth. Off limits. And I would say, Wayne, it is coming up over and over and over and over again that it's like, you know what, let's just, let's just get to get to the brass tax, right? Like, this is an important topic. You put it out beautifully. You don't have to believe in what I believe. But we can all believe that the big guy upstairs, whatever that is for you, and the right

and the wrong and let's move on and realize that this is an important part of our culture and let's carry on and it has come up interview after interview after interview and that to me and people that I never think would bring it up to me are bringing it up it's like okay we can either acknowledge that or or you know stick our head in the sand but the truth of the matter is that's what's going on and so that gives me honestly a lot a ton of hope because there's a ton of people that see it. You don't have to be doing podcasts every day to see it as well. Like in society,

it's becoming talked about more and more and more. And I think that's a really beautiful thing because, you know, up until this point, I didn't think it really matter. I was one of them saying, whatever, you know,

and now I'm like, nope, there's some importance there that has to be identified. And so we can all get on the right, you know, the right track and move forward. with oh you don't know fire away way well i was i was going to i was going to say the italy um the lady she had this wonderful speech what have you thought about all the videos coming out talking about

be careful of her um because it was only months before she was talking about the green pass and all these different things uh what's your thoughts and all that i you know i i think that we are seeing people uh not just awakening at the grassroots level but all across the spectrum. And again, I don't know that she's the savior for Italy, but she's having the right conversations. The sooner we put humanity as our priority instead of equality and ESG garbage,

the sooner will come back to a place that people recognize as living again. But to go back to that, you know, the subject of, of religion a little bit. Sure, yeah. People, we talk about the evil, the evil, the evil, the evil, the evil. Evil is a biblical discussion. You're talking about religion and faith when you're talking about evil. So we cannot have a discussion about evil without acknowledging that God too exists.

If evil exists and God exists, whether you choose to agree with it or not. But this is how people get so lost in it. I put up a post the other day. just because it resonated with me, not that I was intending for anybody to agree with me, but it was something along the lines of kids don't need peto time story hours. Kids need parents reading their Bible to them instead. Well, I got so much abuse because I suggested that parents should read their Bible to kids. Nobody was upset that that was my suggestion as an alternative to drag queen's storytime.

hour for their kids. That didn't upset them. That didn't upset them. They were upset that I suggested that parents read the Bible or the post that I shared, suggested that instead. And I'm thinking to myself, fixation about the most insane, redundant point. You know, goldfish have a better chance of understanding that point of that message than some people, I think probably. Honestly, when you say it, I go back to Alexander Kitty, a lady who's been on the show multiple times. She's talked openly about the different tactics of propaganda and how a ton of online, you know, hatred put towards you.

It's probably bought and paid for. and, you know, in whatever form. And I just go, I hear that. And I'm like, you're on somebody's list, Wayne. And that doesn't, shouldn't surprise either of us. And at the end of the day, you know, you put out the post. And I go, there's probably so many people that read that. And I went, yeah, absolutely agree.

And just moved on and don't have the time to even put that. Because for so many of us, we're not, you know, we're not that. I mean, don't give me wrong. There are certain platforms where people go there to do exactly that. but I wonder I go back to Alexander Kitty all the time I wonder how many times somebody who's interacting with you and hates

what you have to say is being paid to do it or is a bot or whatever and you're not even acting with somebody who's thinking for themselves that's my own thought on it I want to go back to the evil thing though I was wondering has Wayne experienced true evil before or evil

I was and the reason I bring it up is or God or the opposite side, either side. I was bringing up with Paul Brand. Paul Brand was just back on the podcast here this week. And I asked him, I think I asked him about evil. Because, you know, you said it first. You know, it's like, ah, evil, but you're kind of like, what is that?

You know, like, what is it? And certainly, I've had the experience where I go back to the two wolves in you. Every person has good and bad. It all depends which one you feed more. And I heard that. And I was like, yeah, that to me makes like bang on sense. And saying that, Paul Brandt talked about traveling the world and experiencing the worst of humanity, essentially. He's been privy to some of the just like earth-shattering things.

You know, he's got his not in my city foundation where they try and stop human trafficking, right? Kids and just I don't need to go too deep into it. but you get the idea. Has Wayne experienced, you know, you talk about going and finding yourself, you talk about, you know, starting to cover these different things. Have you experienced the good or the bad or both? I would have to say, and it's a great question, and that's one I've never heard before,

I would have to say at this point, I've been in the presence of great email, and where every fiber of my body knew that it was the wrong place to be, you know, the kind of thing. But I've never been the victim, I don't believe, of pure evil. I've been the victim of evil acts, as we all have. But at this point, I can't, other than in Trudeau's presence, that's as close to the presence of pure evil that I've ever been in, and that is, was such an uncanny feeling.

But incidentally, I don't go to any of those anymore because the instant they see me coming, there's two goons that make sure that I can't see or do anything the entire time I'm there. So, yeah, I'm on lists. I'm on all kinds of lists. When you talk about being in the presence of pure evil, you might explain to that to the audience? Maybe, and the reason I do is maybe somebody has felt that. that? Maybe nobody's ever experienced that before. Evil pretty much has one tool, and that is

deception. And you can, and I don't know why or how, but I've had my own divine intervention. So I would say that I've been in the presence of the Lord more than been exposed to pure evil. And maybe that's why I haven't had, you know, been able to, or had to the unfortunate experience of becoming victimized by it or anything. But there, you know, there's been different points in my life. I mean, I was always on the edge of doing things and going places and, you know, but being, nothing I can really articulate. but as far as for the evil side of it, other, you know, or that I couldn't articulate without exposing somebody to attention that they didn't deserve or alike. I've seen people that have been possessed. I don't know if that qualifies. I've seen people that have physically changed and literally levitated. I've seen that. That ain't cool. But for me, I never got hung up on any of that.

Did you go looking for that? No. That just presented itself. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was talking about things that were so far ahead of where the world was at. I'm sure that I was targeted and threatened in that moment.

But at the same time, this is going to sound so hokey and weird. and this is a story I don't think I've ever told on air before either because it does sound so hokey and weird. But when that event happened, I could literally just feel myself. It was so surreal. I felt like I got three feet taller and I just said, no. And it was over. It was literally over. And that was a real shocking experience to me.

I thought that I was in a safe place. that time. I did not stay in that place. We'll say that. But that was that was as close I think as to being assaulted by by by it, or being under threat by pure evil. And it wasn't the it wasn't the person right. I mean that person that this manifested through was absolutely harmless. The most absolutely harmless person that you could ever imagine you know like like literally the equivalent of a little old lady coming up and turning into a demon in your face how do you say that that that's not a willed event right that doesn't come from that person's conscious thought uh and so that was uh probably for me my own my my most extreme actual experience with dealing with anything

paranormal or supernatural or whatever descriptive you want to use with that, other than my own incident where I literally ended up at the University of Alberta, ICU, and the doctor telling me I had less than a 0.01% chance of ever walking out of there alive again. And I had absolutely 100% confidence that I was walking out of there in a few days and four days later I walked out. When was that? That would be going back six years ago, seven years, 2014.

That was 2014. It was when that was. I had a blood clot in my leg, had gone to my lungs, collapsed my lungs, and they called it massive multiple saddle embolisms. And when I got to the U of A, the doctor comes in,

and he says, we don't know what to do with you. nobody's ever survived. So they had a good discussion with me. And it was interesting because I remember it so vividly. But yet I don't remember names or any of the doctor. I do know that the doctor had just come back from Kandahar. And he was the surgeon general there.

He was head of the ICU staff at U of A. And he explained that they thought that this one drug might, save my life. And as soon as he said that, I kind of stuck my arm out at him. And he says, well, wait a minute, I got to tell you about this. You know, I have to inform you about this. And I said, look, dog, you told me that I arrived here with a 0.01% chance of getting out of here alive. But this drug might give me a 5% chance of getting out of here alive. The odds are in my favor. Get on with it. You're wasting time. That was my response to him. So, and that was a, a life-altering moment for me.

And then after that convoy in 2019, I think I had hit about the low point of my spiritual or emotional point in life. And I had given up, as I think I said earlier, I was headed for a warm place. I'd live under a bridge so long as I'd die old and poor and warm. That was kind of where I was at. And I was, I don't want to say forced, but pushed incredibly hard to go and cover that first convoy because nobody was really covering it as from a journalist perspective.

I wasn't officially a journalist at that time. I didn't have my platform. I wanted no part of it. But people kept calling and calling and calling until the bus was leaving at 9. And the people were calling me until 2.30 in the morning and finally I relented. And I said, okay, I'll go. I'll go. but i came back from that and my life was altered and i had a a couple of weeks of a real uh coming to jesus

time where i was trying to figure out what my actual purpose was on this earth because everything had been shattered uh my entire i mean i had a physical understanding of the lies and the deception by our government and all of these different things along the way but uh it was the it was the interacting with the people that's changed me. When I realize that it doesn't matter what part of the country you go to, there is suffering. And every last bit of that suffering is due to the corruption and greed of our establishment and our government. Every last bit of suffering in Canada is intentional.

It is premeditated and it is created to keep us divided and controlled. And it doesn't matter what part of the country you go to. If there is suffering, it is intentional. and is at the hands of our establishment. That came to me so hard, so unbelievably hard after that event that I couldn't, I knew I couldn't move forward with life as I knew it. I shut down my marketing and advertising agency, fired my clients and launched WhatsApp Canada.

It's a hard thing to, I call it the mind fuck myself. Certainly I didn't pay attention to. 2019. I remember the convoy you're talking about, but once again, you said it bang on. I didn't see a thing about it, so why pay, you know, you get the point. But I went in this year and, uh, you can't unsee some of the things from that event. I got to, we caught the convoy in, in, uh, in, uh, Ontario and dried in Ontario. And the days that followed from there until I came home, there's just things in there that you can't unsee. And the fact that, uh, corporate media didn't, you know, didn't cover any of it.

It's wild. Like it's like, it's like, and what they did was, uh, only to call, call people Nazis or, or, right. fringe minorities with unacceptable views. It must be dealt with, right? That's the only thing that, the, whereas if you would have just, you know, when you talk about going and experiencing something and actually seeing it firsthand, it's, uh, you know, that becomes a very common

theme with a bunch of people that are doing just as, as we are. or have left their their whatever job to, you know, explore something new is that's a common theme. They went and experienced it, saw it firsthand, and went, oh, and then there's a time period. You got to chew on that because it's not an easy experience to have. It's like, well, well, now what do I do? Right? Like that just shattered a bunch of preconceptions I had. And that's a tough pill to swallow.

it really was for me particularly what what got in my own way was my own head because i'd grown up with such a hatred for Quebec in the East typical Albertan for 30 years that was pretty much every Albertan's opinion of the East and then i realized that they suffer too just differently and they didn't ask for this situation that makes pits us again against each other. They didn't ask for that. We didn't ask for it. And what I guess the part that got me so much was the emotional roller coaster of that

first event. There was a small group. There was only 300 people. And there was no media coverage until Maxime Bernier got there. And by the time we got to Ottawa, this had started to get loud. So they called out the media assassins to take. of Bernier and all of that. The whole Warren Cancela hired

Assass character assassination, not endorsing Bernie, but I saw it happening right. But all of that was kind of interesting, but to the people that were taking part, there was nobody that anybody would have ever heard of before involved in that convoy at that time. And

there was, so there was 300 people that left Alberta with only the intents to go to Ottawa and tell them the what for and then it got politically hijacked and all of those things but it didn't change how the people felt that took part we knew that it had been politically hijacked all the same but the the connection with the people the emotional roller coaster it was pretty quiet rolling across alberta saskatchewan there started to be people out cheering us on by the time we got to manitoba it was like uh you know everywhere there was people little groups gathered together at every community.

By the time we started getting through southern Ontario, there wasn't a roadside turnout. There wasn't a parking lot. There wasn't an intersection anywhere along the way that didn't have thousands of people. And we would stop and talk to these people. And they would just come up and sobbing and hug you. And you'd never laid eyes on them before. And you'd talk to them.

And some of them had driven five or six. hours, stood outside for three or four hours, in 40 below weather, just to see us roll by for two minutes. You know, whether we stopped or not, they were doing that. And we rolled into Mississauga, I think it was, not Mississauga. I don't remember even, it might have been Thunder Bay, but there was so many of them. It was just such a blur. But there was 10.30 at night.

There's 5,000 people in the parking lot, 40 below. They got 25 barbecues, 50 tables full of. food and they've been waiting for four or five hours you know for us to arrive it was just so powerful uh seeing and that was the canada that i held in my heart and it didn't matter where they come from or who they were we were there uh because of the same uh you know a sense of needing community we needed to find who is canadian what do we stand for we've been told that canadians have no core identity. Well, Mr. Trudeau, you can go on Pallon San because I think Canadians are finding in it again and it has a lot more in line with what the new Prime Minister of Italy is

saying than anything Trudeau has ever said. So that was really, really powerful. And everybody that came back from that at first event was absolutely life altered. They could knew they could never get put back in that same box. So I was in the same situation. I had to reconcile 30 or 40 years of despising the East and all of that. I had to really process and figure that out. And I realized that I could never fit back in that box again that I, that I had come from 10 days before. You know, it's almost not shocking.

But every time I hear that somebody had an experience before COVID, you know, that really opened their eyes, I'm like, man, like how difficult, you know, it must be to have. an experience like that to witness stuff and then you know take sean newman for example Sean you couldn't have been bothered with half of what you're talking about back then I just couldn't and then now it's like yeah I get I get harassed all the time can we talk some sports I'm like yeah we can like I'd love nothing more love of God I'd love nothing more than to talk with the oilers starting up the season and banter about everything else and I just go but right now I'm

doing five shows a week, Wayne. And I can't keep, and at times I feel like I'm doing it deserves. Like, how insane is that? Like, it's insane. It just, I can't get any other word in. I'm like, I don't know how to keep up with what's going on and trying to talk about things that actually freaking matter at this point. And I love my Oilers.

I love the hockey. I love sports. And Darrell Sutter said it best, three things bring people together. And I think this is, when he said it, I was like, man, that's, that's bang on. He said, music. sports and church. He was talking religion. Those three things bring people together.

So you got to remember there's a time and place and you certainly have those things to bring communities together. And yet I go at the same token, when you're in the middle of something, you've got to find ways to get people such as yourself and a whole plethora of guests on to have a platform so they can have their saying let people know what they're thinking about, talking about seeing. so people know. I can relate more than you know, Sean. I used to be hockey was my life. I lived for hockey. I never missed a game. I could tell you the top five point leaders on every junior team.

I could tell you who was going to go where because now it just didn't fit. I knew. I mean, I lived hockey. Grew up in northern Alberta where you know, nine months of winter and three months of bad sledding, we lived hockey. And that was unfortunately, for me, 100% ruined when I went to the Toronto Raptors victory parade in Toronto with 3 million people, people getting shot 50 yards away, nobody cared. They were only there to see this little trophy go by on the top of the bus that nobody

was ever going to get to. and I was so disgusted by by that you know I'd seen I was so emotionally unbalanced at that point feeling like in a panic mode for my country and my people and nobody gave a shit but they'd come out for a trophy you know and I think that there's something to be said about that what you what you just quoted there about sports and church and, you know, coming together. But that has been co-opted and pirated and stolen as well by the elite echelons of sports. That community is not there anymore in that, you know, they are in their own universe.

They are inaccessible for the most part. They talk like drones and robots. It's the exact same quote. It doesn't matter who skates up to give a quote. It's all the same looping rhetoric and narrative. They don't dare say anything. When was the last time any one of these hockey players sounded like any different than the next one? Sean Avery, maybe.

And I never thought I would, I actually have been trying to get Sean Avery on. That might surprise listeners because I hated the way he played hockey. So did I, but he was himself. He was himself and it's funny the people that you find on your side where I sit. Avery was one of the guys who, you know, he's always been all that spoken. I don't think that's what shocked me. What shocked me was he gave Byron Bridal a voice. I went, Sean freaking Avery.

Like, really? And then you can't listen to some of the stuff he's done. You're like, huh, I did not see that coming from a million miles away. Like, that blew me away. because there's a guy in all the hockey guys I'd ever want to put on on a on my show Sean Avery would not be it and if I do get him I will probably tell him that and I don't think he'll take offense to it he'll probably laugh at me

and go I didn't want to come talk to you either I'm like oh fair enough right like last thing I wanted to do was talk to a pro vaccine guy that creates vaccines people like are you freaking mental you wouldn't you need to stop this and I'm like well when I started to think about it the only way we stop it is if the guy that are pro this and are the creators of this, they tell people no. So then I started going out of my way to try and get these pro-vaccine doctors and scientists and specialists because they were the ones with the loudest voices saying no. And that was such a, to me it was refreshing because we don't get that anywhere.

We don't get it in politics. we don't get it in business we certainly don't get it in sports any flavor of sports uh the baseball player that refused to come to canada i mean they crucified him because why because he didn't want to disclose his medical information and get a job why is this now all of a sudden the cardinal's sin right i i mean it's just so absurd how people are being compressed um and And for me, I mean, I grew up, you know, idolizing Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier. You know, I, I, I, what kid in our age group didn't spend, you know, every minute they could outside with a hockey stick on a street and a ball, pretending they were Wayne Gretzky or Mark Messier, right? You'd get into more fights over who could be Wayne Gretzky today and you had to take turns being, you know, like, I mean, these are the people we idolize now.

Now these people, they won't say jack shit if their mouth is full of it. And that I take offense to. Yeah. But that's, you know, that's, that's the people you admire right now, or at least from where I sit. It's people at everything. You know, I say this all the time to like a guy like Eric Payne at a Calgary, right? He had everything to lose. Corporal Daniel Bulford had everything to lose.

These aren't guys in their 80s. These are young men that are just a little older me, got young families to worry about. and by sticking their head up, they're losing everything. And I, you know, it's, it's a weird position for me to sit in

because by sticking my head up, I got what I wanted. And I, you know, at the time, I didn't fully understand that, but I'm doing this full time now. And somebody asked me in their day,

well, how's podcasting going? Like, kidding me? I'm hoping I'm doing it justice because I literally get to have different people on from different walks of life

to have conversations all through the week. It's what I love to do. And by sticking my head up, I had to take some, there was a couple of rough months there for sure. But overall, the end up,

the end of the course so far, and I have no idea where this is heading. Some days I'm just, you know, I, you know, I'm kind of joke that I'm on a bullet train and I just,

like, I'm just holding on for dear life, right? I don't know where the next interview is going to take me. Some days I feel like it's a little more controlled than that. But at the end of the end of the end of, end of the day, by doing what I did, Ashma pulled me out of working full-time to focus on this full-time. And there's a lot of young guys that stood their ground that I admire fully, that are in tough

spots right now, just because, literally just because of that, right? They've trained all their life to become a doctor, a professor, whatever the, you know, the course of Ashner is. And now they, you know, they're still in the shitstorm, so to speak. and I look at that and I go, man, what balls they have or what courage or whatever word do you want to use? Because my own experience isn't quite the same as everyone else. Very much so. And one thing I realized early on was that a person wasn't going to get away doing this halfway.

And I've spoken with people that, you know, before they were, you know, when they were they were, talking to me about entering politics, this is out of the other thing. And for me, I realized that if I was going to do this, I was going to be unemployable. And I am 100% unemployable. If anybody, future employee, wants a employer wants to hire me for a job and goes and looks at my social media, there ain't a job on this planet that I'm going to get, right? You know what I mean? So embracing that was one of the things that I decided that I had to do.

That was early on after launching my platform and I was realizing like, wait a minute. But how could I ask others to do anything that I was unwilling to do? That just my years in fire and rescue, I was always first man in and last man out. I could never ask anybody to do something I wasn't willing to do. So that meant I had to make a conscious decision. Am I going to do this? Because if I'm going to do it, I have to do it all the way. And if not me, then who?

And that was when I basically fired the last of my clients and embraced what's up Canada. Burn the boats. It was going to be, right? Burn the boats. You landed and took no exit strategy. It was push on. forward. Right in the dragon's tail.

You don't know where you're going, but you hold on and you just keep doing. I hate to rewind the conversation a little bit, but it's stuck in my, in my, my brain. And if I don't ask, after we get off, I'll be like, I should just ask. You know, one of the, the threads I had before I went down all these different interviews with all these different guests was, I called it the universe, you know, I had my own, I'm going to steal your word, words, and, say divine intervention of like and it doesn't have to be so grand i talk you know i go back to brian burke he had a snowstorm that led him to hockey and i mean geez if you fall hockey you're like

really like yeah and it's an interesting i'm like oh what is that you know nobody knows what that is although now i think we're all starting to understand what that is uh glen saither when i interviewed him talked about finding his wife on a overpass or pulled over on the side of the road in new york pulled over and helped her, you know, and then, you know, the rest is history. I'm like, what is that, right? What's Wayne Peters divine intervention or, you know, life changing moment? There's been a few. And quite honestly, this again, it's sound a little bit strange.

But since I kind of, after that convoy, I went through that 30 days or so of just complete turmoil. I couldn't literally couldn't put together two sentences that made sense in my own brain, let alone anything else. And I got a call from a lady that I didn't know. And I don't remember the conversation. But it was at the end of that conversation, I knew what I had to do, regardless of what the consequences were going to be. And honestly, Sean, every step of the way since then in the last four years has been just a steady

process of divine interventions and embracing those things that unknown. And here's the thing. People fear what they don't understand. And that's human nature. But if we don't embrace that at times, we may miss out on the most amazing things in our lifetime, which is what I've experienced. It's because the last four years have led to some of the most amazing moments in my life. and we never know that by doing what we're going to do,

what's going to come of that and how much further down the road that's going to take that intervention, that energy, whatever the case might be, and perfect case and point of that, as I mentioned earlier, where the first, the beginning of the Canadian COVID-care alliance, all they had for content was the interviews on my show. I don't know if people out there fully understand what that has then evolved into. A lot of those doctors went on to become the foundation for the World Council

for health, which is literally taking on the World Health Organization head on every step of the way. None of that would have happened. I'm not saying any of those organizations wouldn't have come, but that little choice that I made is to do the hard things, no matter how what the price was going to pay, led me to eventually interviewing Dr. Byron Bridal. It eventually led me to making a whole lot of those people insta famous because they had the guts to talk about things, which then led to those people forming the Canadian COVID-Care Alliance, which then led to the World Council for Health, taking on the most evil entity on the

planet. I don't know what percentage of a role my platform played in that, but had I stepped away and embraced the fear, have been scared away by the fear instead of embracing it, I don't know if we'd be, I know certainly I wouldn't be in the same situation. and I can't help but wonder how many other people may not have been gotten the inspiration that they needed, you know, in the time and place. And we'll never know how many people we've impacted. So it's a very powerful thought you just had there about embrace, you know, I think about me as a podcast or what am I fearful of and what's holding me back. Me and Paul Brandt talked about it afterwards, right?

almost the similar thing and it's almost funny that it keeps coming up and I'm like huh guys got to ponder on that because uh what you just said there you know about um basically you don't know what uh what's the opposite word of repercussion because it's not repercussion it's it's like ben yeah just like you talk about something and you don't realize you're shifting and then whoop that person goes to do that and and it just has this lovely you know, butterfly effect or or what have you. And by talking about something as difficult as you did,

opened up the door for, and I'll take it, I certainly was looking at that time. And so I'll be a consequence of, of you having the gumption to have some of those conversations, allowed me to listen to it and decide whether I liked it. And then, you know, just take a look at my platform, Wayne.

It was like almost 100 straight episodes where I focused on. I never do this. Where all I did was COVID. We're going to talk about COVID. If you don't like it, it don't matter. I don't care because I need to understand this. So one of the repercussions or one of the great consequence, I don't know, whatever you want, that's what happened to me because of people like yourself.

And by digging into something that people figure what they don't understand, geez, all I can think of this. Batman. I just I just see Carmine Falcone going, you know, people, anyways. That's funny, my nickname in the beginning of all of this was Batman because I worked behind the scenes for every group and platform that was out there doing their content, their graphics, their videos, all of those things. But I was hiding under the alias of not Batman. I had a Batman profile picture, but it was some play on Wayne, something. or another kind of thing because I was afraid of the repercussions because I was doing all of this content for people and I was paying the price for it.

And then finally I realized that all they were going to do is continue to take down my pages and profiles. And after about eight different fake profiles, I was like, F it, I'm going to own it and I'm going to do my own thing. And that way I won't make anybody else pay the price for my content that I'm creating. and if they want to come for me, they can come for me. Is Wayne fearful to talk about any subject? Is there anything that you're like, or have you gotten over that?

No, there's nothing that is off limits for me other than I will not endanger anybody. That is my only thing. I will protect the people to my last breath, those that need protection. and other than that, there is no subject that's off the table for me. Well, I hope I can channel that as we, because I'm still not a nervous, Nancy, I shouldn't say that. You know, I just, when I don't understand something, I wish I could spend as long as I did on COVID on a subject.

And maybe that's, I always talk about the iterations of the podcast, because in the beginning it was hockey, and then it just kind of slowly evolved and it continues to evolve. And some days I think I have complete control. of it. And other days I think I have zero control of it, you know. And, uh, uh, but I still, you know, there are certain topics that, uh, really bother me to talk about. Oh, it's, it's, um, but that's, once again, I, it's, it's that feeling. I think most people can get, I'm trying to spit out, right? Like, it's fear. It's an uncomfortableness of, uh, the arrows that are for sure going to come

flying back at me, um, by opening up different things. And yet, it's what everybody wants. They just want to have an open discussion on any topic to hear about it so that they can decide for themselves one way or another. I don't know if it's so much that they want to hear it so that they can decide for themselves. I think they want to hear it so that they can find a way to articulate and express our thinking and feeling. And that I see an awful lot. People tell me sometimes, you know, my superpower is being. able to regurgitate and digest it so people can understand it, concepts and principles. And I think the biggest thing to embrace is to not be afraid to say you just don't know.

In our position, we're expected to know. And early on, I found myself scrambling if I didn't know and creating anxiety by that instead of just flat out saying, no, I don't know, not my subject matter, you know. or at this point here now most and this is something else too is through i mean i've done decades of of personal growth training understanding to that kind of stuff i'd worked with uh in a media space PR for uh palm springs therapists and uh concierges in new york and all of those things, you know, these hoity-to-dy things. So learning to find different ways to express myself definitely helped. But understanding that through that process, understanding that it doesn't

really matter where you go and it doesn't really matter when, it could be today, it could be 300 years ago, almost all of us have the same top 10 list of fears and wants, slightly. different order perhaps, but most of us all have the same top 10 concerns. So when we can learn how to figure out what the primaries are in there and find the information that matters to people, it really helps us get more and more fluid at articulating things to people in ways that takes their fear away more than anything. They don't need to necessarily understand the whole principle of it, But it's that human nature thing, right? And it doesn't matter who you are.

You could be the biggest, toughest, badass that there is. You hear a bang in the middle of the night. You bold up, right? That's fear. That's fear. Until you understand and create the logic to understand where the noise came from, that is our first instinct. That is fear.

And we've all got it. Every last one of us. How we address it is what makes a difference between whether we can move forward or not. And when we're in position like we're in here, and I can't speak for you, but I can only speak for myself, my inbox some days is full of the most horrific misery that there is. And there's sometimes there's no way that we can give them an answer, but we can give them something that makes sense when we understand what people's biggest. priorities are, what their biggest fears are, what their biggest concerns are. And that's kind of not our responsibility, but that's the role that we've kind of evolved into because those traditional places where people used to get answers from to alleviate

the fears are gone. There's nobody to trust out there, not in the government at any level, not in the media space, news space, even the entertainment space. stairs, where can you consistently go to get people that can explain something to you from a level that maintains a modicum of humanity? And that's, that's ultimately what's the only thing that's going to save us is remembering our

humanity. We become more and more digitized. Well, that's a whole other subject. Well, as we, you know, I could keep you here all day.

Wayne, it's been, well, I always, you know, I'm going to have different things to kind of chew on for a couple of days, as I always do with these. But I wonder, what does Wayne see coming down the pipe that people, and this might spur on an hour's worth conversation, but I'm just wondering, what's Wayne paying attention to? What is Wayne seeing coming down the pipe as we, you know, supposedly, we're going to have a dark cold winter and I go, I don't know if it can be any worse than last year. I say that and I go, it can always be worse, Sean. So careful what you say? But, you know, what's Wayne paying attention to here as, you know, we march closer and closer to winter? I mean, geez, we only got to look across the pond and see Nord Stream 1 and 2 and all that's going on there with Russia, NATO, US, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I don't know if you're, you know, into that realm or if it's something closer to home. What's Wayne got his eyes on? So before, just before closing everything and taking a 90 degree life's turn, I was heavily involved in elite level combat sports. I was managing UFC fighters, WBC fighters. I managed a guy who's seven-time world Muay Thai champion. I was internationally connected. a lot.

So that kind of had already opened a lot of doors for me before doing a complete life-changing course, exiting all of that. I have nothing to do with any kind of sports whatsoever in any capacity anymore, but there's still people that I know. And so that opened doors for me. I'd gone to Europe. I explained that earlier. and that opened more doors for me.

And through the work that I've done, I've created friends and as colleagues across the planet. I'm very in tune with what's going on over in Russia and Ukraine and Europe and geopolitically as a whole for that matter. And one of the things that I tell people, a couple things that I tell people all the time, do you think we've hit peak crazy yet? Not even close.

We have not even come close to peak. insanity yet. The good news is insanity is unsustainable. So at some point, the insanity will end. How bad it's going to get? I hesitate to tell people, and we could literally do an hour or two on the dooms day that I see coming. But at the end of the day, people need to start to figure it really, really quickly that these minuscule things that we deal with and we allow to cloud our daily existence have absolutely no impact or bearing in what is coming to us from other parts of the world, that we have absolutely no control over them happening. The only thing that we're going to be able to do anything about is how we respond

and survive from that point forward. Right. And all of this, you know, a lot of the things that we've been talking about here, this is interesting because this has been primarily two hours of just talking about Canada. That rarely happens for me anymore. It's very much centric in what's happening outside of Canada. I do a lot of work for some growing American networks. And it's interesting because where we're being led has absolutely nothing to do with common sense.

I don't think that a dark winter is even going to come close to. what it's going to be. I think that there's a misunderstanding of what they mean by Dark Winter. I think that the eco-terrorists, this whole climate green cult, has gotten way, way out of control, so far sideways that they're about

to do something incredibly radical. They actually believe that a nuclear war and a nuclear winter would save the planet by bringing down global warming. These are what the people that pull the strings of people like Justin Trudeau and Joe Biden actually believe. So they are hurting us into a potential nuclear catastrophe that is way beyond what people can begin to imagine what life would be like. I can't even. I have a lot of hope in humanity that we don't get there that sooner or later there's an adult in the room somewhere, but we're not going to find an adult in the room in America or Canada. That's the scary part.

Yeah, it's if you were going into World War II, I'm just going to rewind the clock, and have Biden and Trudeau as the leaders here, I would be shaking in my boots because I just, you know, they don't give me any confidence they can navigate themselves out of any situation at this point. Well, they can't. They can't navigate themselves out of anything and they don't exist to do that. These guys only exist to drag us into something and that they, you know, and if you ask them, they think they're doing a bang up job of what they're supposed to do. They just, we just don't see the fact that they're working from a different set of good boy list. then what we would consider as, you know, them doing a good job.

They're not beholden to us, we the people, in any way, shape, or form. They are 100% obligated to the policies that they have signed on that come from faraway places and unelected corrupt entities that are literally pulling the strings of Canada. We have a leader here in Canada who has literally abdicated his position to a health authority that is controlled by a foreign funded, and controlled agency. Health Canada is not Canadian funding.

In case anybody doesn't realize that, not a penny of your tax dollars go to Health Canada. That is 100% been taken over by Big Pharma. So Big Pharma controls Health Canada. CCP controls that GOLM that runs Health Canada. And Trudeau answers to them. So we literally answer to China and Pharma right now. that controls our country. So if anybody expects any change from our establishment government

with the Liberal Party, they're in for a rude awakening. But we just got all the mandates off, Wayne, like things are looking, things are looking up. We're in, we can travel again. We can do things again. For five minutes, while they regroup, I can tell you, if people start calling you about their hospitals, I got a call here the other day. one of the hospitals here in Winnipeg, back on full biohazard suits and all of that again, they are ramping up. Fear is the tool that they have and they will wage it and wield it any way they can.

And when we stop responding to the fear, they knee-jerk and recreate and escalate more fear. This entire situation, who, that I'd like to do a special one, just about the insanity of the Ukraine. And don't get me wrong, I feel horribly, horribly for the people of the Ukraine.

But here's the thing. Those people have been being slaughtered for 10 years. With our tax dollars and funding, even our Canadian press published articles, the National Post published articles that the Canadian government was in the Ukraine training the Azov Battalion in 2019 already. Real-life Nazis do exist.

They are in the Ukraine, and we have got some political officials in Canada that are absolutely plugged in to that system, that entity, that ideology. The most evil person in Canada is not Justin Trudeau. It's actually Christian Freeland, who is a facilitator of so much of this, how should we say it, this corporate evolvement of the funding structure behind Nazism. Ukraine is the money laundering capital of the world. The only nation second to that is Canada. Our reputation around the world has been absolutely shattered and destroyed,

unbeknownst to us, but due to these kinds of things, Canada has become the second largest arms manufacturer and supplier in the world. How does that happen? what is going on in places like Yemen we're not hearing about that nobody happened to notice in Venezuela when the armored cars were running over the civilians in the streets those were manufactured by Essencey Lavlin

here in Canada so Canada on the world stage right now they really don't care if we get bombed into the Stone Age right now in Canada and here we've got this lughead in Ottawa that is intentionally doing everything to provoke a world War three. We're just going to have to have you back on way. You know, like you go, man, why did I wait so long? And then you and then in the second breath I go, nah, I don't think like

that because it's funny how these things just seem to time themselves out, you know, if that makes sense. I assume it does. The Ukraine, everything there, everything you just rattled off of Canada, I go, cool, let's let's put it to the listeners. You're listening to this. You've listened this far, which I'm sure you have. The phone number is in the, the, the description, episode description. Geez, can't spit out my words right now. Shoot me a text as they always do. If you want Wayne back on, which I'm sure you do, what we'll do is we'll do not a part two, but an episode two here in the future. And we'll dig into some more of this, you know, because what I always learn about the first time I have anyone on Wayne is I want to get to know them, no different than you probably want to

get to know me and you want to feel the things out. And it's kind of like this jockeying, not in the sense of like racing, but just in a sense of like, who is this guy? Okay, let's feel this out. And I've certainly followed a bunch of your stuff, but until you're sitting discussing something, you can't really know. And an audience that follows me personally has got to know me, I guess, very well. And so when they hear somebody else come on and do the same thing, then, you know, you start

to build a repertoire or a little back and forth, a little bit of the audience understanding who you are. And so that means the next time, assuming they want you back on, which I assume they will, we can dive into a lot of different subjects and I'll make sure that they have full notice of when you're coming back on if they want you. And from there, we can discuss what they want to hear. Either way, man, this has been like, podcasting is an interesting beast because sometimes it just comes so naturally. It's just, ooh, woo. Sometimes, you know, it's not uncomfortable, but the hour goes and you're like, okay, it's time to snap it off. And I look at the time, I'm like, what do I do?

What do I do, folks? Just have them on for eight hours, right? Like, that'd be a little bit ridiculous. So I've really enjoyed this. I assume by, you know, the international we've had, you've enjoyed it as well, which means I'm going to slide into the final question. It's the crude master final question. Shout up to Heath and Tracy McDonald.

They've been supporters of the podcast since the very beginning. And it's simple. It's He's words. He says, you know, if you're going to stand behind, cause, then stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Wayne stands behind? Oh, anybody that's ready and willing to stand up and start protecting our kids from the pedophiles and the Satan worshippers, I'm your Huckleberry.

Whatever ammunition you can bring to that battle, I'm all in. This is the purest evil at work in Canada right now, and it has infested our country for decades. it needs to stop. That is to me the most offensive. I mean, I don't care who comes for me, but leave the damn kids alone. And where we've gotten is way past

acceptance and equality. Folks, we've never been more equal on this planet than when we were men and women. Now we have got 78 different categories to subjugate people with and they want us to believe that that is equity.

Go Pounce and. So that'll get me fired up. Well, I tell you what, Wayne, it's been, like I say, I'll say it one more time. It's been a real enjoyable couple hours, getting to sit with you one-on-one. And here's some of your different stages in life and certainly some of the things that have led you to hear. Just appreciate you giving me some time this morning. And I have no doubt that somewhere down the line our paths will cross again. Well, one of the things that I tend to do is when somebody,

gives up some of their time on their show to let me ramble and rat and rave for a while, I pretty much put them on the spot and say, we will reciprocate this and you're going to have to join us on one of ours very soon as well, too. Well, I'd be honored to hop on the other side. It's always an interesting feeling being the guest instead of the host. But absolutely, Wayne, anytime I'd love to reciprocate. but from this standpoint, and I know I'm speaking for my listeners, an awful lot because they dictate a lot of where this show goes at this point. There's a heck of a lot of smart people

that feed things along to me. If they want you back, they'll let me know. And I assume that's going to be an overwhelming yes. And I look forward to that as well. Well, I've got some people that have been following me for a little while. They know that I've got a friend that I've been working with for about three and a half years now, who's, based in Moscow, Russia. And we've been working initially, three years ago, we started uncovering some of the corruption and involved with the Canadian government, Burisma Holdings,

all of these kinds of things in the Ukraine. He's now otherwise occupied with exposing and talking about what's going on there. But through him, we're going to be covering some more of the stuff from the other side of the planet very, very soon. and so people that have been following my stuff know that I'm quite plugged into that. I've got some very good connections in my network and it's always interesting. You may have a good point here before I let you off. If people want to see what you're working on, where do they go?

How do they help support you? Where can they follow your latest? Oh, hey, that has been a lot of lessons learned along that way because there's not too many social media platforms I haven't been removed from. And including my websites. They took down all of my websites at one point in time. And then I learned a very valuable lesson that in Switzerland, the internet laws are the same as the banking laws. If you're not breaking the internet laws in Switzerland, they will tell all of the alphabet agencies to go pound sand. So I rebuilt all of my stuff in Switzerland.

It took a long time. But my website is kind of my home where it's the only place that they cannot take me apart. that's what's up canada.org anywhere else it's a shooting match whether i'm there one day or not well there you go go find wayne and his work and thanks again wayne it's been it's been an enjoyable way to spend today my pleasure i look forward to anytime we can get to do this again and uh we'll talk offline i'm i'm i'm a creative uh dude and uh there's a reason our her state doesn't like me very much. So we'll see what kind of trouble I can get you into yet, Sean.

Sounds good, Wayne. All right. Thanks a lot.