Shaun Newman Podcast - #330 - Steve Dabbagh & Chris Andrew

Episode Date: October 19, 2022

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Here we go. This is Chris Andrew. This is Stephen DeBah, and you're listening to Sean Newman podcast. Hey, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Steve DeBah and Chris Andrew. So, boys, thanks for doing this in such a lot of. a scenic spot here in Calgary. Thanks for having us.

Yeah, thanks a lot, Sean. Now, I was saying to you, Steve, when we first shook hands, you're both firefighters and you got a story to tell. So I'll start with you, but you guys play off each other. I'm here to hear part of it and certainly let the listener get a feel for both you. Let's just start maybe with Steve a little bit of your background. We'll flip over to Chris and then you can both hop in on the story and we'll see where it takes. us. Yeah, I was a firefighter with the city of Calgary for 20 years, Sean. I guess we're

this kind of why we're doing this podcast is to help people understand the effects of what's happened with the mandates. Here in Calgary and Alberta and the country, we were mandated back in September to take this medical experimental injection. And at the time, Like I knew we'd already been going to calls where we'd been seeing things that didn't make sense. We're asking these questions. Have you recently received a COVID-19 injection? The answers were always 100%. Yes, we knew that this was anything but safe and effective.

Why our job would push this for us to take, we still don't know and still don't understand, even though it's since been suspended in March, but not completely lifted. When I came back from a fire injury in December, I was mandated. And at that point, I had to make the decision if I was going to take the injection or have to resign from the fire department. I could have gone on unpaid leave, but according to the Supreme Court of Canada, it's the same thing as being fired. So I tried to resign. My resignation was rejected by the deputy chiefs. And I had to go through Calgary HR management to actually have it,

then accept my resignation with the fire department. I was put on unpaid leave until I would adhere to the mandate. So they left me with no choice and had to resign under duress. Maybe could you give for the listener a little bit too of your personal backstory? I maybe should have started there. Sure. Who is Steve that leads them to this point of, you know, You've got a beautiful young family and everything else.

Maybe give the listener a little bit of your story away from even being a firefighter. Yeah, sure. I'm a husband. I've got four kids, four troublemaking kids. 15, 13, 10. With a troublemaking father. Yeah, that's true. I don't go looking for trouble.

It seems to find me. Yeah, I'm one of those guys, for sure, and odd thomas. Yeah, I'd also got a beautiful two-year-old who surprised us right before COVID all happened kind of thing. And it was a nice surprise at the same time. We were terrified when we first found out, being like, now I'm 45, but happy that it happened. And so, yeah, when I resigned, I was a captain. I'd been an officer at the Calgary Fire Department for acting in that position for about nine years. lieutenants and captain acting the captain role for about well four years

before I was made for a year and then faced to resign so yeah for myself I when all these lockdowns started happening we were still going to work that was 2020 nobody else was with the fire department in emergency services and there was a weird feeling we're going to work there's nobody on the road it was you know in a city of 1.25 million people to be seeing no other vehicles driving across town was eerie yeah and so um we were taking all the precautions in the beginning a lot of us were told that we were going to get sick and possibly die from this and everybody was still coming to work we were told to put on these blue suits there was

supposedly protect us from a virus it was a class of three suit, but it wasn't pressurized. It didn't make any sense. And the social distancing didn't make any sense. The N95s didn't make any sense. Nothing was adding up. Like, we know how to use PPE, and this is what we were trained to do. We know that none of these measures protected us from a virus. And so right away, Bell started going off in, you know, two weeks past, you don't see anybody dying from COVID-19. You hear about a lot of people going to hospital and whatnot. Four weeks pass, going to the hospitals. Actually, now that I think about it, they're pretty empty at the time. Nobody was going to the hospitals because everybody was staying

home. Nobody's getting sick. Nobody that I knew was getting sick of dying. So now all of a sudden, we're really starting to ask questions, why are we being locked down? Chris, hop in. For the audience, who are you? A little bit of your backstory, firefighter, however you want to mesh it together, just so they get a feel. First off, I'm Chris Andrew, and most importantly, I'm a husband and a father to two grown semi-adult children. That's everything I do in my life is for my family and my kids. Through this whole COVID thing, I had lots of time to sit back and kind of dissect what the narrative was given to us and trying to pick apart.

I'm a very factual guy. All I want is the facts, not the bias, not the swing or any talking head. So the more and more I investigated, you know, through my own means and avenues rather than just relying on the mainstream media, I realized that I don't think that this shot is what they're saying it's to be. And the more and more I looked into it, the more and more I got concerned about it. So that ties me into my work situation. I started developing heart palpitations, PVC's. I lost over 35 pounds of weight, sleepless nights.

Just my body was screwed up. So I was actually off work sick for a while. And that's when my headache started with the insurance company, Homewood Health, that's the insurance provider for the fire department. I submitted a letter from my doctor, and my doctor agreed that, yeah, with your symptoms, you shouldn't be going to work right now. You're not fit to be a firefighter. But unfortunately, in his letter, he put, and this could be due to the COVID concerns. So that sentence kind of put a nail in my coffin, unfortunately. How so?

Well, Homewood Health came back and said, you can't use stress as an excuse to not be at work. Everybody's stressed in the world right now. Literally, that was the words that this lady said to me. So you need to get back to work. So I went back to my doctor, got another note, you know, him retracting his COVID statement. I also went to my psychologist that I'd been seen for some time.

I got a letter from her. They both agreed that I was diagnosed with, oh, shoot, what was it now? I was diagnosed. Anyway, so they said, uh, generalized anxiety to disorder. There we go, GAD. So they both agreed that, yes, with my heart palpitations and things like that, that I shouldn't be an active firefighter until we figure out what's going on. Homewood Health on their second appeal said, no, we're standing by our first decision.

A third appeal with new letters from doctors and psychologists. And they said, nope, back to work. If you're not back to work on Friday, you're going to be fired. So on March 27th, no, I strike that, September 27th of last year, I came to the decision that I either have to quit and force this, you know, through the back door when I'm off the job or I'm going to have to get fired. I didn't want the stain of being fired because in a way they won, that they could just push me out.

So like Steve and many other guys, I resigned under duress. And a year's gone past now and we're fighting this. So bring the listener then up to where the story is today. Very interesting sides of the coin on how you guys get to where you are today. What should the listener know up until now then? Like where are you sitting now? Yeah, so as soon as I resigned under. Daraa obviously was angry at the whole situation of how you give 20 years like

arguably 20 years of the best part of your life right here I was 24 when I got on 44 when I had to leave into I've had a position where I'm making the top top wage right for my position and I trained hard to get there and thought it was as good as anyone and learned from the best and I thought I had a lot left to give to the job and to the city of Calgary. So I went seeking justice, legal justice, and I thought that was the right avenue because as far as the charter of rights and freedoms, as well as the bill of rights goes, like our human rights were violated. We were put in a dangerous situation due to criminal neglect or possibly criminal intent by our administration in the city of Calgary.

So we hired, I went looking for the lawyers and I talked to a few. How was that? It's hard. In my world, I talked to a couple different lawyers in my previous life. And I found that none of them wanted to touch anything. Yes. Or they're so backed up and busy. Or that too, yeah.

So it's kind of funny. I'll backtrack a few months from it. I'm going to pop in as we've got a plane flying over. To the listener, you're going to go. I wonder where they're at. Well, we're sitting in a park in Calgary doing this. So you're going to hear a little background noise, which is a little uncommon,

usually in the Sean Newman podcast world. But I kind of chuckle because I can hear it picking up, and maybe the listener hears it as well. Either way, sorry to Andrew. It's too nice of a day to be inside. Oh, 100%. I think you've got to enjoy this while we got it here. I hate saying the word winter,

but we all know it's coming sooner than later now. Yeah, back to what I was saying. So three months prior to resigning, again I was off due to fire injury. The mandate came out September, first week of September. I think it was the seventh or maybe the fourth. I can't remember.

It was actually the seventh where we had gathered together as a group of firefighters at our memorial in silent protests of the mandates. And it was a pretty touching moment. I felt like there was something very special happening that day. And to be honest, It was one of the proudest days I had as a firefighter,

because I knew we were standing up against not just a mandate, but some other kind of evil thing that was coming into our society. It was very reverent. It was very respectful. And it was more than just firefighters, right? There was some police officers as well as EMS, but the majority of it was Calgary firefighters, yeah. Yeah, that's right.

And then after that, they decided to barricade our fallen firefighter memorial with these orange barricades for almost a year just for their political games and pandering their side to make us look like the violent, you know, scofflaws that were going to come and desecrate this monument where they don't realize that that monument

meant so much for us and those are the people that put their lives in the lines and didn't get to go home and see their families. And then they branded us as terrorists. And that just stung me for a whole year that they had those barricades up. It was filthy the way they were using their political agenda to make us look like terrorists and bad guys.

It's eye-opening, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, the narrative changed. Our chief came out, or fire chief, Donsworth came out the next day with some pretty disgusting remarks about us and I was trying to humiliate us, but I think... How so? When you say humiliate, that's a... Yeah, so I'm basically saying that we weren't his firefighters and that, um,

We didn't represent the core values of the department as well as that most firefighters are 95% of the firefighters are good, upstanding citizens referring that we weren't because we're standing up for our rights and everyone's rights. And one of our values is the respect. And then when management can turn around and give us such disrespect, it's that political double talk. You know, we're here for your core values of the pride professionalism, respect. but we don't respect you because you're not one of us. So they're talking out of both sides of their mouth. And to say the least, I think his remarks as well as some of the media release that was going on there, I think it worked to the whole awakening of people that wanted the truth

because that protest went around the world three times as far as other departments doing it, healthcare workers in Europe, stewardesses in Italy, Toronto firefighters, and a lot of these people were holding up signs and we stand with Calgary firefighters, right? So to me it was really cool. I thought it was an important thing to do. Well, I remember, you know, talking with you and your wife this morning,

Steve, when I first arrived, you know, you got to remind yourself of some of the things everybody went through because you come and almost compartmentalize some of it, right? Like, you know, like, it's funny. You wanted it acknowledged that at times you just want to forget about it and move on with life. Yeah. But some of the things that went on through that period of time,

anything that inspired hope was really like applauded. I use the word plot. I think that's the right one because it wasn't happening every day, right? So when the Calgary firefighters stepped up, that gave courage for another group to step up. and realize there's people over there doing it. We got to put the, you know, we got to light the fire, so to speak here. So people understand that there's people here to think like that too.

And that's what we've tried to do with these different interviews and podcasts is to show people that there are people that will stand up and fight for this. And to say, no, our freedom of rights and charters were trampled on. And if we don't have them in the worst of times, what good are they? Because that's when we need to rely on those to fall back. so if the times are so tough that they strip those away from us, we may as well get rid of our charter rights because then it's useless. It's just, you know, lipstick on a pig that does nothing.

I know a lot of people who've moved to this country for that document, right? And then, well, I mean, and then the last two years happened, you're like, so what is it, right? Like, is it just, you know, a nice cover? That's it? Because it didn't mean a whole hell of a lot for two years or for a solid year and a half anyways. Yeah, until the political or the ruling agenda start to get its greasy fingers in there and realize that they can manipulate our systems.

So that's where I decided to stand up as a man and say, my growing family, I'd hate to see my kids have these rights stripped, or my grandkids to have even worse atrocities happen to them because the stones just crumbled away piece by piece. So it was time to make a stand. And thankfully, I had the full support of my... my wife and my kids, my family, it's great when you've got that connection. That foundation.

Correct. Well, and I've talked a lot about this, that that's what it was, in my mind, that's what, whether it was an insidious intention in that they were trying to attack it or if it was just an offshoot of what happened, was the family bond was attacked. Like, this seeped to the strongest family. It tested every single family. inner society across probably the world, you might argue. And, you know, I kind of, you know, the Italy prime minister, I can't, Georgia, I'm forgetting

her first name. The new one, yeah. What she said was basically, I'm like, yeah, and everything that she talked about got attacked through the last two years. Now, whether that's insidious intention, like the worst of, or if it was an offshoot of just, you know, that's what came of, you know, repercussions of what they did and tried. Either way, it's like what you're talking about. talking about Chris is 100%. There's a lot of people that have divorced or aren't talking to family

or and, and that's tough. I have, you know, my parents, I've had a very rocky relationship for the last couple years because of this. You know, they kind of think I'm maybe pushing on the wrong path. My wife and I went through some hard times early this spring, just the stresses of the world. Yeah. And, you know, no job. And, you know, it was tough for a few months there. But, you know, we pulled through and that's all we can do is family units is just be there when everybody's struggling. Yeah. And has it changed for either of you a little bit with the opening, you know, a Rive cam being pulled and, and you know, one of the things early on, I go back to Peter McCullough when I first had him on and he's saying, you know, he's saying something crazy at the time

of, you know, like, the vaccine isn't going to work. And the shitstorm that created was a little bit wild. Yeah. But now, I mean, there's lots of people that have had their third shot, their fourth shot. Hell, I've met one with their fifth and to everybody their own. And that's what I'm totally after is everybody should have their own choice. Right.

I don't want to. Fine. Leave me alone. But the longer it goes to the people that were so adam and against what Peter McClellan was saying, for instance, pretty hard not to look around and see that a bunch of people have gotten COVID multiple times. It's kind of like that meme out there. What's the difference?

We conspiracy theory and fact. Three months. Yeah. Six months. That's right. That's right. Have you had anything like that either of you with family, friends, colleagues, where it started to slowly shift over the last, you know, six months? As far as, I guess I see a gift in it all.

Like, I mean, this kind of put people to the test where you saw a lot of people's true colors of how they would act after being put under such a fearful state for two years. Yeah. And I think the blessing in it all is, you know, who will. will be there for you and who won't be in hard times, right? And that's the way I see it. Like, me and my wife have a hard time going into places that wouldn't allow us in during the vaccination mandates. I have a hard time wanting to support those businesses. It's not that, you know, forgive. It's just that it's a lot. It's still there. It's a lot. They gave, like,

when you go through the pain of it, you're the one who remembers it. But if they didn't have to endure that suffering, it's easier for them to forget, especially if they cause that pain. Maybe it's hard for them to look at it. Yeah, or maybe they don't think like they did anything wrong, you know? They followed the rules and we got through it and we're all a team. And at times I think a lot of people don't realize what some people went through, right? Don't have any idea. And I think that's the thing is people believe that we're through it.

But the reality of it is this disease, this COVID-19 infection was 99.5% survivable. so why do we need to all be vaccinated with an experimental drug that I understand was only trialed on eight mice like there was very little I mean I was listening to Peter McCull and Ryan Cole from the beginning there's a lot of Dr. Alexander

who I think you've had on your podcast as well a lot of people were blowing the lid off this thing right from the beginning from the time of the lockdowns and they were being canceled right away and like terrible threats of losing licenses and stuff and these guys were supposed to be the leading dock so it's another thing that's hitting the light bulb in my head what's going on the science what's going on here right the only science that we're

talking about now is political science that's proven that this thing safe and effective right well I think uh on my side of things um seeing the media bias you know not willing to give a bit of a voice to the other side geez the Sean Newman boggazvin if it's done anything at this point is it's given a voice to the people that nobody wants to talk to because they think they're too toxic or too extreme or whatever. And certainly, I won't argue with a few of the guests, maybe they are a little extreme and everything else. But overall, it's because media doesn't want that side of the story told.

I mean, geez, we've seen it. Like, it's just so evident to me at this point. What I didn't understand is how, you know, the liberal government, and I use that loosely because you can go back in time and see how the conservative government has done similar things. So it's not just the liberals. It's liberals right now because they're in. Or it was Jason Kenny, you know, as we sit here and record this, folks, it's October 6.

And I can't think off the top of my brain when it gets released. So, you know, by the time it's released, we've got a new Premier. But, I mean, Jason Kenney and the way he handled Alberta, or Scott Moe in Saskatchewan, and the list goes on. How they controlled or were controlled. Like at this point, I have no idea. But the lockstep of politics, media, the health services is wild, right? how they just didn't want, you know, if we follow this train of thought, we all go down this cow path, we're going to get to salvation.

Instead, it was the butcher shop at the end, you know, and it wasn't a good path to be going down. And everybody's asking questions, but no, Bill, get back in line. I've always said to people, you know, it's not a liberal conservative party. You know, those are the lines that are being drawn in the sand now. But politicians got us into this. So to hang our hook and think that politicians are going to get us out of this, It's lunacy. It's the definition of insanity.

We're never going to fix this system with the political structure that we have now. Because sure, there may be a shining light every once in a while, but still, it's a toxic, corrupted system. And I hope more and more people are realizing waking up to that our politics is just a separate branch of the elite. So what would you do different? I hear a lot of this. Do you have any ideas to, or not, I don't know, solutions that maybe? Because one of the things that my brain always goes to when I'm like, our current system isn't working is I just think, well, I hear people talk about burn it down. And I'm like, oh, that's chaos.

And I don't know what comes out of that. It could be something much worse, right? So have you had any thoughts, Chris, you know, and your ponderings on that? I always have seen myself, you know, in the political aspect as kind of a peaceful anarchist. It's, uh, those are kind of two contradictory terms, but really in this day and age, to just rely blindless, or blind faith into our political system and just hope that, oh, a politician's going to make this right. Well, no. So, yeah, we need some kind of new system. And hopefully the younger generations, you know, me being a Gen Xer, we were raised to be angry and mad at the system, you know, rage against the machine.

So I look at my kids and, you know, their kids and all that kind of stuff. And those are the ones that have to come up with these ideas, brave new thoughts and thinking, okay, how can we change this? Because right now we're stuck in a rut. The people that should be fixing this, we're just being mad. So hopefully by us standing up and saying there are a few shining stars or lights out there that will stand up to the man, if you want to say. But it's the younger ones. they need to help us. I think for myself,

what got us into this mess is people getting, letting fear take the better of them. And then fear of losing, fear of getting sick, fear of losing your job, fear of dying. And I think people really have to overcome fear

and look out for one another. I think that's the gist of it. If you break that down into like your family, your community, where you live, we can kind of almost govern ourselves if we're looking out for one of each other. I think that's how this country started, right?

When people were coming here to settle lands and they worked in communities and looked out for each other. And I think that's kind of the thought, I would say, getting back to it. Yeah, we don't want to forget what happened, but I think, yeah, we have to kind of, maybe not think so much about ourselves, but look out for each other.

Well, where does this lead you guys to today? First off, I guess I should say, I love the thought, right? I think one of the things that's spurred out of this, if there's any, like, there's lots of positive things that have come in the last two years. They're just, you know, not talked about maybe enough, or maybe we're just starting to realize them. Tider communities, it forced us all into these tighter communities. It's forcing, I think,

destabilizing issues within not only our government. I mean, geez, look at it tonight. We're going to have an election, and the frontrunner right now is running on basically a lot of what we want, you know? And it'll be interesting to see, you know, by the time it comes out, I apologize, listeners. Who knows, maybe it won't go that way. Maybe it'll go a different way.

But even by Daniel Smith talking the way she has, it's already influenced Saskatchewan, Alberta politics, Manitoba, et cetera. So, you know, and I got a guy reaching out here this coming week by the time this is released about a barter system and all these different things, right? Like, people are, you know, for two years, everybody kind of held on. I was like, what are we doing and trying to figure this out? I find a lot of people aren't waiting anymore.

They're starting to move and push back, pushing their own direction, starting to create these little communities, these little pockets, these little media corporations. you're starting to see, you know, once upon a time there was like, I just interviewed a guy, Wayne Peters, not Walter Peters, and he was the guy that I first stumbled upon. I'm like, how did he know this? And now I'm trying to catch up,

except now where we sit, there's a ton of people talking about it. You know, there are the Joe Rogans. There are the, you know, the Russell Brands. The Russell Brands. And there's more and more and more pointing out the stupidity of what's going on.

Now, are we going to go through a stupid year? Oh yeah, this ain't over just yet. But there's enough of us staring at it going like, this is insane and this is why this is insane. And that in itself is a positive because two years ago, believe me, I talked about this all the time. The first like two months, I wouldn't have been sitting at a table. I was like, I got a young family. I don't want to catch what, you know, I don't even know if I can dodge this sucker, but I want to if I can. I think what I've seen over the last little while is two distinctive groups forming.

You know, the ones that are starting to question say, hey, something doesn't. smell right here. And then the other group, they are firmly, you know, wearing two masks in their car by themselves on Highway 2 kind of deal or walking down the sidewalk wearing masks. And so be it. That's their choice. They can do whatever they want. But I'm starting to see the two groups. The ones that are digging their heels in and the other ones that are becoming the helpers, the healers, the ones that are out there for the betterment of society. And I think if we had more of those, we're on the right path to get going out of the rut. Well, you kind of put it in different words the way I, like to me, when good people talk,

good things happen. And I don't want, I don't want chaos. I don't want more. I just want, I just want us to get back communicating. Too long we've been guided by a narrative that makes zero sense. And I think people are waking up to the fact that the big media corporations are going a place that none of us want to go. Right. And we can't put our blind faith in that. That's right. I'm not saying you can't watch them. Sure, watch them. You know, everything with an open year. And there are still good people there. Just maybe not, let's go blind faith that, you know, where they're leading us, you want to go. Yeah, I guess the thing is, too, is that now we know that the vaccines, the COVID-19 injections were never safe or effective.

The hospitals, like I've been part of the whistleblowers group with the H.S workers and other frontline workers since September of the protest. that night I went to a meeting that was invite only for first responders. And I sat there with seven HHS docs, about 60 nurses and a bunch of other support workers, some firefighters from Emmettin and myself. And the things I heard of how they were dealing with COVID-19 in the hospitals and in the nursing homes,

I never thought I would ever hear stuff like that happening in Canada as far as treatment goes. When you say what sticks out in your mind? I don't know if you're liberty to say, but I mean, what sticks out that you're like, I can't unforgettable this sentence or this doc saying that or what have you? I had doctors and nurses testifying. They're in tears that they were forced to give remdesivir to patients who had tested positive for a COVID-19 test and basically the test, everybody knows the tests were bad. 30% false negatives, 50% false positives.

The maker of the tests has spoken up publicly that it's not a valid test, right? It doesn't work. People were coming in, a 28-year-old girl with asthmatic symptoms, and they made her take a test for COVID-19. And because she had a positive test, they put her, told her that they had to, induce a coma, put her on a respirator, and administer a ramesivir. That doesn't sound like health care. Two out of three people that that treatment happened to died.

And this person just thought she was dealing with asthma symptoms. Nurses and doctors and other support workers repeating these testimonies that night, crying and sobbing and I knew that something had changed in this country even myself who I felt always had this feeling in my gut something was wrong

I didn't know it was that bad here right so there's to say anything other than sinister elements at work I don't know I don't want to sound like a conspiracy you don't have to I'll hop in here and go back to listeners but the proof is in the pudding yeah go back and listen to Peter McCullough

and Lowe and Lowe I'm forgetting his first name folks, but he's the author that helped write Peter McCullough's book and I kept asking I'm like, but why, but why? You know, if I can't understand it and it's something, I'm going to keep asking questions and he said all you got to do is get your mind around that this is criminal and once you realize it's criminal. It all makes sense and that that isn't to put the nurse as criminal. That's to put the high high ups that are pushing things for profits and and everything else and and I don't you know once again the listeners of this podcast they're they're smarter than probably all three of us combined you know that's not hard for me

and they already know to what it is what you're talking about to me Steve is one of those experiences you can't forget you know for too long a lot of us were just in her house and not going and experiencing life and for me

one of the experiences was Ottawa had its negative consequences or side effects, but one of the things was seeing it firsthand and experience it and then seeing how the news reported it. It's something I can never forget, even if I tried. I'd have to be, I'd have to literally become a drunken stupor to forget that. And even then, I'd still have to hit the bottle every day to try and forget it because, I mean, it's just so, it's so clear in my mind. Yeah. But the people that only get one side of the media story, they think that that's, that's it. That's right. It's easy to just tune into the six o'clock news and that's all they have to do. Speak more to the criminality of that event and that night than nurses who were working

on the COVID floor went to, I believe it was the head of anesthesiology at the Royal Alexander Hospital, if I remember correctly, and told him that this is what's going on on the COVID floor. His response was, they can't be doing that. They'd be killing them. They'd be killing the patients by putting them on remdesivir while they're on a respirator or a ventilator, excuse me. And so he looked into it, went up to the top brass at the hospital as well as Alberta College of Physicians and Surgeons. He was told by them that he is going to forget about this or they're going to take his license and they're going to sue him. They'd end his career. So my question is, and of course this is me in a group with about 110 other first responders,

mostly nurses and doctors. And yeah, you can say it's hearsay, but the way that these people were giving testimony with the emotions and everything, I can't imagine. And they'd obviously risked something to be there. And it was obviously an invoice-only situation. Just hearing those stories, I knew that there's, like you said, something absolutely criminal going on

and that this is more than... About a pandemic or a fake pandemic, this is about a type of information war that we're dealing with here. We're at war. It's shifting our structure, our societal structure. And we're just not clear who the enemy is at this point. You know, you both being first responders, right? I feel like, and maybe I'm wrong in this, and you can correct me, will give you guys a real interesting view of the last, I mean, when you were working.

Because, you know, for the most of us, I go back to, I was in my house. I was trying to get the kids out as much as they could, out to the farm, out to parks, you know, when, you know, at times they had those all not boarded up, but you get the point. They didn't want anybody on them. And you went along with it because you're just kind of like, I guess. I guess they don't, you know, like, you know, it was a difficult time. But you two gentlemen would have had a view that not many, I mean, obviously lots of guys had, but in the course of, you know, in the population, a small, very small. small percentage. Well, me and Chris both worked on busy trucks.

I was downtown through most of the pandemic. You were in the Northeast area, not Chris? Yeah, I was the senior hazmat officer across most of the shifts for a long time. So I'd been on a hazmat truck for a long time. So that's when I saw the, when our chief, no, he's not my chief anymore. When Steve Dongworth, the fire chief of Calgary said that we were going to kill people, I thought, well, that doesn't make sense. because we're going in with our big blue suits.

That you say are safe. Yeah. Our tieback suits, our N95s, goggles, taped with chem pro tape at our wrists and ankles and the hood's up. So if we're going to kill citizens of Calgary, how? Does that mean that our PPE is family? Are you doing that our PPE doesn't work and it's just a placebo or, you know, lipstick? It's, that's where I had a problem, knowing that if we were taking this seriously, and we had to be, then, yeah, we should have been fully encapsulated if we were going to kill the public.

And he said you're going to kill them by going into buildings? We could kill the, if when the vaccine, it was a coercion technique to get everybody vaccinated. And just to scare people and kind of give that gentle push, well, I want my firefighters vaccinated because they could kill me. Well, that's not the true story. And prior to the vaccine rollout, when the pandemic had begun, and I think Chris could probably testify to this, well. Firefighters in Calgary are all medically trained and we go to medical calls. And since AHS has been falling apart, we've been getting there.

First, like I would say we're getting there first 90% of the time before COVID and now it's 100% of the time the way things are going with paramedic services. So what's changed? I mean, obviously neither of you are working currently. But what changed if you, I don't know if you can point to one thing. but you know let's say prior to the the world coming to a halt

you know you look at that world and what you were dealing with probably fires and I don't know whatever else you boys deal with I'm sure there's a lot that I have no idea what was the biggest change after everything was locked up that you guys point to like man

that's kind of weird that happened again is there any of that I mean you talked about the streets being eerily quiet I think that went across the board and most people saw that but what did fire what did you see from your career that or was there anything i i noticed the amount of suicide increases um i think you know almost anybody on any truck could say that you know it would be kind of an uncommon tour you know a four-day shift of going without having some type of suicide or

drug overdose you know you know purposeful drug overdose so those numbers have never been talked about the the mental health the suicide rate or anything like that you know you know purposeful drug overdose so those numbers have never been talked about the mental health, the suicide rate or anything like that in the city that just skyrocketed. The opioid crisis was a raging fire prior to COVID-19. Downtown was multiple overdoses a day, a shift. Are you guys called to those? Yes. That's right, yeah.

Really? Anything with breathing or heart problems, it automatically tags fire department as a response. No kidding. Yeah. Sure. And like Stephen said that, you know, because the H.S. is so stretched thin that the guys were showing up. And we had the naloxone and things like that.

But sometimes these guys that have taken a big hit, they need more than the naloxone we have on our trucks or can give. So then, you know, we're waiting for paramedics to show up with, you know, an injectable. Isn't that a wild thought? Build up a tolerance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's quite common that you'd see somebody strung out in the floor and they have a, you know, save me kit in the corner of the room. They bring their own kits, their own Narcan kits. Because it's free for them to go get the Narcan kits, but yet somebody that has diabetes, they have to pay out of their own pocket.

So that's another story. I hate to go down this rabbit hole too far. It's okay. But the podcast I was saying, once again, to Steve before we started, some days I have zero clue where it's taken me, right? It's brought me to you guys. And some days I just kind of let it go where it wants to. And once again, it brought me back to Calgary.

And I hadn't been to Calgary, you know, over the course of COVID, maybe, I don't know, maybe once, twice, like, you know, but it wasn't going downtown. And now I've been downtown a handful of times. And the amount of, like, open drug use is freaking wild. Like, it is wild. And I don't know the answer to that problem. Have you guys ever, like, have you deliberated on, like, how the city could help, you know, like, there's safe places, right? There's the safe idea. There's the hard...

Until we address the mental health crisis that's going on, not just in the city, but our world right now, there's so many people that are hurt, scared, terrified, sad, alone. So the first thing you escape to is your addictions, your alcohols, your drugs, things like that. And when it's easily accessible or habitual, then, yeah, they have to start chasing things harder and longer. So then you get into your opioid-type narcotics

rather than just a bottle of booze and a joint or two. So it's that slippery slope, and it just seems like the snowballs going faster and faster down the hill. Yeah, what I was getting to when we were still, before, when we started talking about this was basically that the, the opioid crisis was like a raging fire in what COVID-19. The lockdowns did was pour a lot of gasoline on it. Now it's out of control.

And all of our so-called, enabling agendas, basically to help people to make them feel like they're part of society, that's not going to work. When you mean enabling agendas, what do you mean? I guess I'm talking about the safe injection sites. The publicly funded Narcan, hanging them in parks and bringing them places, I think we're just encouraging people instead of dealing with issues. In Calgary, you have to, I apologize because I have no idea.

So I've heard of these because in and around me, they've talked about it. But as far as I know, I don't think we have them. But they've talked about it because, you know, I don't think there's a part of the world right now that is, like Chris said, the mental health crisis, the addictions is widespread. In Calgary, you have safe injection sites. all over the place or is it just a couple? And what's included in a safe injection spot? So I don't know everything. Like they are moving them from locations

because they're worried about crime increasing and stuff in the areas. You don't say. And nobody wants a safe injection site in their backyard. So yeah, they're kind of a bounce around thing. Last I heard they were moving one to the dropping center, I believe downtown. That makes sense.

From its previous location at the hospital there. So I think the idea is to keep it in the areas where maybe it's most needed or used. But again, in my perspective, I think we're only enabling the problem and not helping people deal with their issues so that they can overcome the drug. You're bringing up something that I know little about, and it's almost like, you know, there's an opportunity for. for Sean to go do a couple interviews and different things surrounding this topic, right? Because one of the things I've done certainly poorly in my life is I haven't really paid attention to a lot of the finer details, right? You just kind of, you know, as long as it ain't bumped into your life, you know, if they want

to do that, okay, yeah, well, it ain't hurt me out and they want to do that. Okay, it's not hurt me. And then for two years, they pretty much tried forcing everything on a person. And now you're like, well, it's high time you start paying attention and get involved. And once again, I don't have the answers. but at least I'm open to hearing the talk around it. And I think a lot of people are sitting in that situation. And you say it doesn't really affect yourself,

but the thing is, the reality of it is in every community, we're seeing an opioid crisis, right? So it's... The nicest houses you go into, you wouldn't expect it, and it's there. It's in our neighbor's houses, for sure. They're kids, their schools, it's happening. And I think, really, it's some... I have to look at a society as why is this happening?

Why is this so out of control with addictions and problems? Yeah, try and root out or get to the root problem. Well, it breaks my heart. You see, you know, the term zombie is kind of offensive, but you see some of these daywalkers that there's just no spark to their eyes and nothing. It's just whatever they can do to get through to the next day. And my heart goes out to them because they're at the rock bottom of their life. That's where they need somebody to come and give them a hand or a pat on the shoulder or something

to help them. Give them a sandwich from McDonald's or whatever. But until those people realize that they're actual human beings and that somebody can actually look at them in the eye and say it's going to be okay, until then if people just see them as walking zombies and you cross the street without engaging in them, there's no healing at all for those people.

I'm just getting back to what was going on during the COVID lockdowns was the fear mongering through the. the media. 24-7 we're hearing about the amount of cases and the hospitals were full. We had to do everything to protect our health care system that had already burned to the ground, which nobody really knew, right? It was broken before. It was broken before, but COVID also lit that fire up too by pouring gasoline on it. Well, it was a boat with holes that went into a big storm and, I mean, it only took one wave and you started to see, oh, we're going down.

A top-end heavy ship is what it was. And I guess my point is that this affected people in a very negative way. Most of the calls that we were going to, first of all, they were put up on our screen as a high priority elevated risk event. And if there was any chance of a COVID-19 infection, we'd get there. Check everybody out, don our blue suits, have two people go in, do the medical exam. and 99.9% of the time the person was having anxiety attack and thought they had contracted COVID-19. Yeah, when you hear that you're going to die every day

and here's how you're going to die, the human mind is an amazing machine that every symptom is cancer. Well, once again, I don't need to point to any other person other than myself. At one point I had a podcast downloaded on my phone that literally told me the daily stats of, pretty much the world and I just I just checked it you know because I was like I'm kind of curious right but what you didn't understand is you're I don't know if it was it being addicted or just the you talk about the fear just being constantly like I sat in an airport what was this like

I don't know six months ago and I was just sitting there waiting and it was crazy to me there there was nobody in the airport it was completely empty but every 30 seconds maybe it's a minute I don't know what the spacing of it is maybe it's two minutes a voice would come over and go make sure you have your mask pulled up over your nose and that you are six feet away at all times thank you that is all and it would do that over and I'm like man subliminal met like not even subliminal messaging like like ramming it down your throat and I look around that I'm like there's not even enough people in this thing to be around anyone right like you know like I mean there's nobody here and that was you know I mean that was across the board that was anywhere you went into

Any grocery store, any, you went to your kids hockey or gymnastics, or I can, I mean, I'm sure that everybody has their own story, but it got absolutely rammed into us. And it's, it's taking time to unwind that. And I think there's also probably that group of people. He kind of had that horror movie effect who loved the fear from the whole thing, right, and didn't actually want it to go away, that small, small group. Well, for a short stint, it gave meaning to life, right? you know, in a world where we live through our screens. And, you know, I'm being, you know, it's really put the importance of staying off the screen for me, right?

Being kind of, you know, I go back to Ray Ferraro, you know, back when I was doing sports. But he said, be where your feet are. It's like, well, that's a huge importance. But for a lot of people, you know, you kind of just kind of get, you know, you go, your Monday to Friday, you live for the weekend, you know, is this what life is? I guess this is what life is. And then, oh, here's the world event.

I always knew we were going to have a world event, and you kind of ushered it in. Like, I knew there was something coming. I knew everybody's had that tickle in their brain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the event is actually just unfolding now. We were worried about COVID-19 during the lockdowns and everything, and then the push of the VACs rollout.

Now we're seeing the effects of what these injections are doing onto our society. And I was just listening to a podcast from an economist from BlackRock, big. Yeah. I think the biggest financial company in the world. They pretty much have their spokes and fingers in everything. Yeah. And he made, from what I understand this, one individual made $2 billion into $14 billion. So he was pretty big time.

But his whole thing was analyzing the numbers. And this just came out like a week ago. I forget the individual's name, but he was going just reading the numbers where we're headed, the amount of people that are sick now, the amount of people that are off work. And he's looking at data from insurance companies. and we're not even at flu season yet. When that hits, things are going to change in our society, right? There's going to be a lot of people off with disability because of these injections that we're so-called safe and effective.

Well, I read an article the other day that they're trying to push for any meat that goes into our food chain has to be injected with the vaccine, MRI. I did see that. So even if you don't want to have the shot, now our food supply has been taken from us. That's kind of a scary situation. This is where it comes back to building those communities where you're getting your food from. You know, you know, I mean, there's certain things you maybe don't have control over. But as far as where we're at in this country, there's enough people who think like you do who are open to business. I'm from a north rural farming town in olds there.

So this pandemic has always been weird to me because in our small town olds, It's just everybody's still going through their life. And then I come to work in Calgary. And you're like, oh my God, like, what's going on? Like, is there an alien invasion? Because everybody was just terrified. Then I'd go home and it was like two separate worlds. And it's only an hour in between.

Well, I mean, go to Lloyd Minster five hours away. Certainly Lloyd had its own, um, dealt with it in their own way. Yeah. But I never stopped going to work the entire time. Right. And for somebody in the city, they might not realize that. Yeah. It's like, no, I literally went out to site.

every single day. There was a stint of maybe a month or two. I want to say May, no, sorry, April, May of 2020. But from that, the rest of the time onwards, oil fields still worked. How do you think you're getting, you know, power and heat and everything else? People were still working. We had no choice, you know. It was a different type of frontline worker, if you will.

I mean, I don't pat myself on the back. I just, I had my own purview of what was happening. And the thing that was never addressed during this whole thing is the comorbidities. It's all the numbers who make it seem scary and terrifying. But if they'd actually say, yeah, it was a 450 pound male with asthma and he died. Or sure, there's going to be always the one-offs where it's a healthy something. Or everybody has their day. So who are we to say that today isn't my day?

Well, and I just go back to Peter McCullough, right? to me, when I listen to, you know, we've gotten so far away of whether COVID was a real thing or not, when I go back to the first time I interviewed Peter, he's like, oh, no, people are getting sick. But we're not doing preventative treatment. And if we did that, and he says 85% of people wouldn't have died, let's just go 35, 50%. Let's just shore that number up a little bit and not go to the high side of it. Let's go to a mid to low. I mean, that's a lot of people that would have survived.

And now you're not waiting in your house, you know, just waiting. Right. Waiting for, am I going to get better or am I going in the hospital? And I talked an awful lot. I followed a lot of what Mexico did because it just shocked me. And then India did it too, right? And what they did with their little sites where if you got sick, you just went and you had a little kit. And, you know, the kit was basic things.

I know nobody loves hearing the word I, And I laugh about that because, I mean, geez, it almost gets you banned at one point in time. But, I mean, it had ivermectin, it had vitamins. And I think it had one other thing. That's what it was. And did it work 100% of the time? No. Hydroxychloroquine, I think, as well, right?

Ivermectin, vitamin C, vitamin D. It's kind of like the McCullough protocol, like big. And McCullough got into the mouthwash, the nasal spray and the mouthwash. The iodine, I think. Yeah. The different things like that. And, you know, he's talking 85%. And the thing is, is just, in.

Canada, that was never a thing. It never got talked about. It said, don't take Ivermact and it doesn't work. That was the only thing they would say. And you're like, well, we aren't, you know, it was one of the flaws of our system is having one spokesperson at the start, or maybe for a majority of it, where they wouldn't actually talk to what everybody was trying and doing. And, you know, I look at Alberta and I go, we're innovators. We see a problem. We solve it. So if you say the world's coming to an end, Armagedon's happening, there's a meteor coming at us, just take the movie Armageddon. We would assign a group of people to try and bring that sucker out of the way.

Like that's what we do here. We don't sit in our rooms and wait for the end and kiss or ask goodbye. We get out and we get going. And for a chunk of time, we didn't allow that. And I think that shocked a lot of people. Let's talk before I let you guys out of here and to enjoy the rest of the day. You're in a legal case, yes? That's right.

Yeah, we're taking the city. Calgary to court for the violation of our human rights. Yeah. How's that been going? Is there anything to update people on? Is there anything you want them to know as far as that goes? Is there anything you can even share? It's a long, slow process.

That's for sure. Yeah, we're headed to court at the end of the month here. The city of Calgary put a motion into strike our claim. We're suing for about 38 million over 19 guys that have been negatively affected by the COVID vaccine mandates. And we're also, a bunch of us have also put in labor board complaints, which are being heard by the Alberta Labor Board against our union for not representing us. So that's all happening this month. Yeah, we also have a website up.

Chris, you want to tell us a little bit more about that? Sure, yeah. Our website is Firefighters for Truth.com. We got lots of our podcast and interviews, videos and stuff like that. up on there. We also have a give send go account set up as we found we were originally told it's going to be about $100,000 to fight this while we're creeping up $100,000 right now and we haven't even had our day in court so and this it's been tough on some families and guys that you know unemployed to let

go they're still trying to make their mortgages and pay for groceries and gas which has gone through the roof so we just ask people if they have some kindness in their heart to, you know, give whatever they can find just by going to our website at Firefighters for Truth.com, and then there's the link for the give and go there. Well, and a good thing with that, too, is if they want to find out

more of what you're doing or who you're about or everything else, if they go there, they can get the, you know, as we all know, one interview, geez, you kind of get a feel for somebody. If you really want to go see what they're all about, a website and seeing everything they've been through and talked about is

a good thing. So if the listener is inclined, look it up and take a look and see what comes of it. Yeah, today we've been able to self-fund it over the 19 of us. We're looking at the cost. It's going to be more than anticipated for sure. So if you guys can help us out at all, it'd be great. I think the thing is why we're doing this is not just to seek justice for ourselves, but we're trying to hold the courts accountable to our laws here in Canada.

It's very clear of how our human rights were violated and how we were discriminated. against and put in a situation that was unnecessary risk by our employer. Our laws have been corrupted. And so if we can win here, if we can hold the courts accountable, we can do the same thing for everyone here in Canada, right? That they can have faith in our laws and in our freedoms. So that's the idea behind the lawsuit is to hold the judges accountable to the law and hopefully that they'll uphold them.

Anything else from either one of you that I haven't asked? You know, as you can tell, doing it out in a park like this, I'm coming in, shooting from the hip, so to speak. I kind of enjoy this. That's an easy way to do it. That's right. Throw it out and see what comes. If I haven't touched on anything, I mean, I got all the time in the world for you, boys.

So if there's something you want to make sure that gets talked about, fire away. It's kind of the nuts and bolts of what we are and who we are. It's hard because, you know, things slip people's minds and, you know, the next event and the next event or whatever. So we just try and stay in front of the public's eye and their minds and just say, hey, we're still doing this. The world hasn't, you know, relaxed and we're back to normal. You know, we're still in for a fight of our lives. And not just us as this firefighter group, like each of us as human beings across this world. We're in a fight for our lives right now.

Yeah, I guess maybe just putting on some light too. And Chris has mentioned it often in his talks about post-traumatic stress disorder and how we were kind of in many ways had that weaponized against us and manipulated a lot of us because a lot of first responders have dealt with PTSD. I'm lucky I've recovered over years, but I saw some symptoms coming back with the COVID-19 mandates and whatnot. And just to see how employers and particularly our own fire departments, chiefs, use these things against us to kind of coerce and manipulate and to get us to do what they need us to do. And what I feel is happening here is that they're turning not just first responders, but all of us. They're trying to get all of us to be compliant to.

And complacent. And complacent. instead of standing up for our core values as Canadians. And I think what I'm calling and asking everybody to do is to dig down and to pick aside and dig in and really fight back against this. Because what I think we're up against is going to be... Is this the world we really want? Yeah, Jordan Peterson, I was saying to you, you know, listeners know,

I keep putting it out in the world because one of my goals of 2022 is to have Jordan Peterson on. and I got my other goal checked off, but that one's still out there. So I'll put it out to the universe another time. If Jordan Peterson somehow stumbles upon this, would love to have you on. But I was watching his documentary on Amazon Prime last night. And he talks about, you know, they take a little bit, then they take it a little bit more. Oh, you didn't like that to come back just a step, but they've already moved on. Anyways, and he said, all he did was he just drew a line.

And then that's what they didn't like, right? No, we're not going past here. Yep, and that's what they didn't like about us. And one of the things my brother and me got in a huge argument, this is, you know, it's, it'll stand out to me till I'm 90 years old and I get to talk about it, right? Me and him are having words, both on the same side of this thing, but still having the words, right? But maybe we were just insane, right? Maybe we got this wrong, blah, blah, blah, back and forth back. And he started, and I said some things I'm not proud of, don't need to utter, apologize the next day, and he laughed at me because we're brothers.

Anyways, he said, but where's your line, Sean? And I went, now that's a good question. Like, I mean, I was hot. And as soon as he said, I said, though, that's a good question. And I heard Jordan Peterson say it in his documentary, right? All I did was draw a line. I don't want to go past here. I'm not going past there anymore.

And as soon as you do that, well, I mean, that's a choice. And then, and that's where all the craziness starts. Because, I mean, you've drawn, I'm not going past here. Like, you've gone too far now. That's the line. And so I think for a lot of us, we've wrestled with that question. question, right? Because Jordan Peterson said it way back when. I argued or argued and wrestled with it a year ago, right? Where's the line? Well, that's a good question. Where is your line?

And I think that's a deep, deep philosophical question that has real world application, right? Like, where's your line? Figure it out. Your line is different than my line, it's different Chris's line, is different than a lot of the listeners, you know? I might be able to be pushed a little farther than most, but you should still have a line. So when it gets hit, warning bells should be going off in your fucking head and you should be like, well, shit, okay, because if you don't have a line, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for everything. And you just keep getting pushed and you just keep going and pretty soon you're getting injected 14 times in a year and you're, you know, but I'm fine. I'm fine as you know, you can't. Anyways, I chuckle it because I mean,

it's a tough question to answer. And honestly, if you look, everybody has to answer for themselves. Absolutely. You should answer it for yourself. that's where we're seeing the two distinctive groups of people that are questioning the thing and saying where do i stand on this issue do i just blindly follow along or okay there's maybe some brave people that are speaking up you know maybe if i sneak in behind their coat tails you know i can be part of that so we just need more of those people to stand up well i think uh troyes happening right now myself uh i just can't figure if i'm the the people standing on the wall watching achilles come in or if I'm the guys on the shore with Achilles.

But the more people that join the fight, the better off we are. It's safer. We as a human society. The war is being fought anyways. Yeah. Yeah, like the war is going on one way or another. You can either be a part of the, you know, the group that's, I don't know, landing or protecting, whatever you want it to be. But to me, that's where we are right now.

Yeah. Yeah. And the thing is, is looking back on it of how frontline workers, and it hurts me to say it. because I was one for 20 years, but how we failed everybody during this pandemic from the docs in the hospital, from the nurses, from the firefighters, police, paramedics, the majority of us buckled

because we didn't draw that line soon enough, right? And had there been a thousand firefighters at that protest, this thing would have been over, right? Not 60, right? Had there had there been a group of cops who showed up and said, no, we're not resting these pastors today. It would have been over, right? All it takes is people to stand up, find your courage,

because what are you living for? Yeah. We can live in fear or we can live free. But I would argue with you a bit and say, but that weight should go on everyone's shoulders. Because we all watched as they did strange things to all of us. And I'm not saying nobody stood up, but not enough. Societal complacency.

Yeah, and just the amount of, pressure that came with it all. And none of us were ready for that. Now if it happens again, I think... When it happens again? Sure, when it happens again, there's enough of us that go, well, it's coming again. It's just when and how, you know? Because the first time around, I just, you know, Mike Tyson,

he said, you know, everybody's got a plan until you get punched in the face. I had no plan. I walked in the ring against Mike Tyson. I got dropped in the first 10 seconds, right? And now you picked yourself back up. You didn't get knocked out. And you get to live to see round two or whatever, right? Because for the first round or maybe first, however many rounds you want,

I was literally on the ropes. Yeah, and I think a lot of people were like that. Now there's been a reprieve if I may go there. Cooler heads are starting to come out a little bit. And you go, okay, more, well, we felt that. You can't go back and say, well, I didn't see this coming. Because, I mean, now you either do your research and start listening to saying, yeah, and start paying attention.

Or you are actively putting your head in the sand and acting like it ain't coming back around. I guess part of two, what we're trying to encourage everybody else to do is to join in the lawsuits. Like, I've been contacted by captains right across this country, right, since we started this thing. And there's lots of groups that are planning to do the same thing because they want to hold people accountable to the court of law, right?

But nobody knows how to do it. And so we're trying to guide people through that process, what we've done that's worked so far. Does the nurses in, is it Chicago, Illinois that won the lawsuit? I can't remember if it was Chicago. There was a big win for the nurses in the state. Yeah. And that was really good.

There's been some good things that happened over there. I don't know if it translates because it's not the different countries. That's right. Yeah. There was a win for Toronto firefighters. But there's a court of public opinion. So it's weighed in that already. Yeah.

Yeah. The 25 firefighters in Toronto, from my understanding, got let go because they didn't adhere to the vaccination policy. their union did put in a grievance against the policy at an arbitrator looked at it and deemed that it wasn't necessary for them to lose their jobs and so they've all been hired back so that's a good win for us here in Canada

but hopefully we're going to see more and more of the justice unfold this time comes and we want to encourage other people to do the same thing because there are people that are responsible for what happened here and if we don't go after them if we don't hold them accountable. Criminably responsible for what they did. I mean, who's to say that people can't, you know,

when they think they're in a position of power, can just break the law at will. We got away with it last time, so this time we know how to do it better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let's end on the final question brought to you by Crude Master. Shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald. They've been supporters since the very beginning,

and I always use Heath's words because they seem to just ring in my ears every time. And I don't know if I should start off with this question, but anyways, it doesn't matter. We always end with it. We'll see where it goes. But he said, if you're going to stand behind something, then stand behind it. What's one thing you stand behind? Well, for me, my faith, you know, if God is for us, who can be against us, that's kind of what I live by. But all we can do is just be a better person than we were yesterday.

See the hurt in others' eyes, try and help them out, just be that light in this world that it's desperately. needed. I think too many of us have taken advantage of the freedom this country has provided to do what we want to do. And I think if more of us would try to use freedom to do what we should do and looking out for each other, that's how we're going to rebuild the future in this country. Well, boys, I've really appreciated you doing this. And thanks for giving me the cool podcasting location. I'm sure the listeners enjoyed a couple, you know, we've had a helicopter, we've had a couple planes, we got birds flying overhead, we got a nice little breeze. It's been a nice way to spend an afternoon and certainly appreciate you, you know, having me out and getting to

sit and meet both you. It's best of luck and I hope we'll stay in touch because if there's updates and news, things that's got to come down, even if I can just talk to them, I think that's for the listener. I know they'll want to know what's going on with the case. and if it's progressing, if it's been halted, if, you know, because I think there's a lot of people that are pulling for not only you, but others all across Canada and our story is not unique. That is correct, yeah. Well, Sean, thanks for having us and to all your listeners, peace and love. Thanks for having us.

Thanks very much, Sean.