Shaun Newman Podcast - #333 - Sheila Gunn Reid

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

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This is Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Thank you. I got 10 minutes into an interview and didn't record. Well, welcome to the Sean Numa podcast. I'm joined tonight by Sheila Gunn Reed. So first off, thanks for hopping on. You got it, Sean, thanks. You know, I'll make you feel one better.

Once upon a time, I interviewed Quick Dick McDick. First time he's ever been interviewed on a podcast, and I didn't hit record the entire time. So we get done and it's like 10.30 at night, maybe later than that. Might have been midnight. And I'm like, like the the feeling I had in the pit of my stomach was like something else. So I'm sitting there and I'm like,

what do I do? So I text Quick Dick and he goes, you know, by this time we both had a couple Sasparillo's, the Saskatchewan way, the Canadian way. And he goes, well, I'm a little in one right now,

but I'll come back on and do it again, right? And I'm like, no, we'll just do it a different time. So the first podcast, Quick Dick McDick ever was on, I didn't record a single word of it.

And that one's eight at me for, well, I mean, it's like three years later. Anyways, it's great to have you on. Oh, thank you so much. Now, I, here out in Alberta, I certainly know a fall a lot of your work that you do. And I think you've become a very popular face with Rebel News and everything else. And certainly from where I stand, you guys have done a pretty good job, maybe excellent job. I don't know what the audience thinks. But for me, it's been a lot of the other side of the coin.

And yet I go, I meet you for the first time And I start asking a couple questions. I know Jack Squad about Sheila. So I was curious, maybe we'd start with your background and I don't know, see where it goes and have a little fun tonight. Sure, yeah. You know, I think people, they know my personality. Like, they know I like guns.

You know, I'm from a farming family. And they know I'm from the oil patch. You know, I like to eat meat. I'm a bit of a meat evangelist. But I don't think they actually know how I came into the Rebel News universe. And it's really the story of, I guess, everybody at Rebel News in a weird sort of way. The only one of us that's actually a trained broadcast professional, as he says, is David Menzies. And we hold that against him from time to time that he was puked out of a J school somewhere in Ontario.

But my story with Rebel News goes back to like 2014, 2015. So roll the clock back like seven and and a half years. And really, it was just telling the other side of the story. And at the time, I was a stay-at-home mom because my husband works in the oil patch. And that's the deal that I had going with my family. And it was just after Rachel Notley got elected. And I was looking at these lunatics that the NDP had elected. They were truly, truly radicals. And it was all out there, just hanging out there for people to see if the journalists in Alberta had ever bothered to look. But for them, they were really rooting for Rachel Notley to defeat the, I agree, the corrupt PCs at the time, although I would not have voted for the NDP.

You know, you don't burn the house down when you fix a leak in the bathtub. And that's sort of what Alberta did. But I just saw, you know, it was just such low-hanging fruit. and the journalists in Alberta didn't do it. And so during that same summer, it was Justin Trudeau campaigning to be prime minister, and he had some of the absolute worst radicals, anti-pipeline lunatics, running for his party. And I just started doing what the mainstream media weren't doing,

and that was just going through their social media feeds and, you know, Googling their names and searching their associations. I feel like I created a monster, though, because now they all do that to a nitpicky fault. You know, like if you went to a Bible study class that they didn't like and they accidentally found it on your Facebook, you canceled forever. Excuse me. But I started digging through some of the liberal candidates. And facts, my friends and I sort of made a drop box folder of it. And all I did was take pictures of the crazy.

things that these liberal candidates had said, and I dumped it on Twitter. And there was one in Calgary Nose Hill running against Michelle Remple at the time, now Michelle Remple Garner. And it was a young lady, and she had said some pretty anti-Semitic things, including things to my now boss, although that was just sort of a coincidence. And, you know, she said things like, go back to Israel, and I took pictures of that and I dumped it onto Twitter. And it was so bad that pretty quickly Justin Trudeau reacted and terminated her as a candidate. And it started picking up steam. I could tell that some of the liberal candidates were worried that I would be poking through their histories and they started scrubbing them.

All of a sudden they had two tweets on their account instead of 20,000. And the mainstream media started picking up what I had done because I just knew to this high-profile, hand-selected liberal candidate was going to run against a conservative superstar like Michelle Rumpel in Calgary. And they were doing stories about me and what I had done without ever talking to me,

which is a big journalistic no-no. You always reach out to the other side to all parties involved. And they were getting the story wrong. Because, of course, they were. They were calling me a large, C conservative researcher, as in I worked for the party. I was a paid operative of the party. And I said, I don't work for the party. I don't even have a job outside of being a mom, which is the most important job. I'm just doing your job. I'm a mom in the middle of nowhere's

Ville, Alberta, and I can't stress that enough. 40 minutes for a jug of milk round trip. And I was doing their job that they could have done. And they were doing these stories on me, and still getting it wrong. And then, so I did, you know, a little bit of that, and that was sort of the crescendo of the election. And then in the midst of all of these happenings, you know, the Sun News Network had folded because of, well, it was euthanized by the bureaucracy of the CRTC

on allowing the mandatory carriage in everybody's homes, while the CBC got mandatory carriage, if that matter, CNN, gets mandatory carriage on all cases. packages. And that, you know, out of the ashes of that came at the time Rebel Media. And as Ezra was sort of staffing up, he reached out to me and he said, look, I saw what you did. That's journalism what you're doing. It's what the other journalists should have been doing. You just are telling the other side. And he said, well, you come work for me. And I said, I would love to, but I can't. That's not the deal my family signed up for. My littlest one wasn't in school full time yet.

So I sort of ragged the puck on Ezra and then in September, he called me and he said, I know your excuse just started grade one full time. So what's your excuse now? And I didn't have one. And that was seven years ago and it's really been a bit of a love affair with journalism ever since. you know it's uh first off i commend you uh for sticking to family values first i think uh um that's a difficult uh you know i don't know is a choice to make uh i just sit there and you go like do you put career over family and and like chase after it and uh certainly sitting where i sit with three young kids. Like I think about that an awful lot, right? Because I'm like, I want to make sure that I'm around for, you know, like they're,

they're six, five, and three. And so, you know, they're not all, uh, uh, in school, like you say. And so, you know, those years are, you know, I don't know if it's the right word or not, but there people call it precious. The old timers all tell me to enjoy it. It goes by way too bloody quick. And so like to rush off and do something, even though, uh, you've certainly, have made it there. Must have been a tough choice at the time. I mean, probably easy in hindsight

now, but at the time, you're going, Ezra Levant wants me to go, huh, should I go? No, because I've made a commitment. I'm going to stick to that, and I'm just going to, you know, stick to your gun, so to speak, no pun intended. And I mean, but hats off to you, because I, I honestly sitting on this side, Sheila, I don't hear that story as much as I'd like. I do hear it, but not like all the time, at least as I racked my brain, you know, and this is going to be like episode 334, I think. There's a lot more of chasing the career instead of protecting one's family. Yeah, and then you've got a lot of miserable women who feel like they've missed out on their children's lives, but they don't want to be introspective and realize that, you know, that the depression

that you're feeling because you missed out on those things, that's a choice that you made. And you don't want to have to look back in retrospect and say that you were wrong. For me, I'm going to be honest with you, it wasn't a difficult choice to make at all. That's the deal. Like my husband and I knew, he works in the oil patch. He's gone some years, 300 days of the year. But for me, it was a little bit easier. I come from an oil patch family.

My dad was in the oil patch. My husband's dad was in the oil patch. So for us, this is a normal family structure. And one of us had to be here and for my husband to pursue a career in which he could provide for us. I'm happy to stay home. And I look at him when he's gone for a very long time, really. I mean, he's getting the raw end of the deal, frankly. I get to be home with the kids and even better.

I work for a company who, you know, my boss routinely says, you know, just I want to thank your family for sharing us, for sharing you with us. And, you know, I do travel sometimes for work. I'm very lucky. My mother-in-law lives in the yard. So I do have that help. But, you know, for the most part, I work from home. You know, if I ever need time off with the kids, I can sort of structure my day around what the kids are doing and how busy they are or aren't.

So I'm lucky that I work for a company that also values the idea of family as much as I do. Well, you know, it's pretty cool to hear you, you know, once again, we just get to, I met you once at the APP event. and it's always cool to see other people on the other side of it. I'd certainly, you know, Rebel News is certainly, in my opinion, big player in Canada. I mean, and it's certainly grown across the world. But, you know, I go back to one of the things you said early on that you don't have formal training.

And a lot of people in the company don't have formal training. You think that helps or hinders? Oh, I think it definitely helps. I think sometimes these journalistic schools, they smother intellectual curiosity and they graduate activists for the other side. Now, I'll admit I'm an activist journalist

but the difference between me and somebody who works at the CBC is I lead with my chin and I acknowledge it. You know when you're talking to me that I'm digesting things and seeing things through a conservative worldview, a Christian lens sometimes, and I'm honest about it. And I don't expect you to pay for what I do

against your will, unlike the mainstream media. I don't have a problem with people who are, you know, like I said, activist journalists or biased journalists or liberal journalists versus conservative journalists. I think it's important that you, you know, are transparent about where you're coming from. And I think a lot of times journalism schools, they don't teach that part, you know, they teach the activism without the transparency about it. And maybe adding on to that is,

you know, and this is just from a small time independent podcast. And when I look at it, I look at the big corporate, like, CBC is a big corporation. So they don't want you to really have a personality. They want you to be the CBC. They want you to be global. One of the things about Rebel that I've noticed, and I think this is the idea, is there's personalities in it, right? And when you talk about leading with your chin and being like, well, this is what I'm about,

at least then you can you know as an audience member uh you can sit there and go wow they're leaning this way and you understand from the get go what they're what they're about and who they are and certainly you know coming from a podcast side of it that's what i talk about all the time it's like do i got biases oh yeah yeah i got biases but if you don't like it that that's cool like i'm not trying to steer you one way or another i'm trying to bring on people uh and let them explain who they are and their thoughts so then the audience the audience is smarter than i ever will be like they they listen uh like all of what you do and then tack on like 50 others and they're just digesting so much information it's super cool to watch them kind of feed me different uh ideas and

thoughts and different articles and videos and everything from across the spectrum and uh man i but i appreciate what rebel news stands for here in canada because i mean without rebel and you know i uh do some work with Western Standard, and that's certainly been interesting to be a part of. And, uh, and you got Theo Fleury and Joseph Borgo and Jamie Saleh starting up Canaanians for Truth. And we kind of wait to see what comes out of that. And certainly true north with Andrew Lawton and you start to see all these different things starting to sprout up in basically the one, the barren wasteland of what was nothing against the CBC and that side of the coin. It's been cool without you guys there. And I should say you guys and gals, you know, there was a big hole, wasn't there? Yeah, I mean, there was a big void

that we just stepped into. And we really didn't know what we were going to, what that would look like and what we've grown into. You know, like now we're producing documentaries and, you know, we've got paywold shows and free content. We're traveling all around the world and we're going to World Health Summits. And we've grown into Australia and the UK and we've got journalists in the United States and French language journalists. We didn't really know where we would end up, but we just knew that we were going to rebel against the old way of doing things, that we weren't going to be beholden to the CRTC for government bureaucrats, which is interesting because I was trying to put CRTC rules onto the internet because there's just a little

bit too much freedom happening over here. Yeah, I was going to say Bill C-11 going through Senate again, right? Like, I mean, sitting in my chair, I'm like, oh, that's not good, right? Like, that's really not good. No. And that's, I think that bill is a direct reaction. I think to Rebel News and the, what we've carved out for others to follow. We're happy to fight the legal battles so that we can leave a clear territory behind us for other people like True North or Western standard or independent podcasters where they can sort of, you know, walk in the trail that we blaze. We're kind of big and boombastic and we sort of, we kick down the door and run in everywhere like we're the Kool-Aid man. But we're happy to sort of carve a path that everybody else

can follow behind. If there are fights to be had with the government, we'll have them and you guys can reap the spoils of it, but we're happy to do it. Where's the one time you've been the Kool-Aid man, where you've busted down the wall and been like, oh, man, I never thought I'd see myself in this position. I mean, the last two years must have given you a healthy dose of that. But is that where it's at, or do you have times before, you know, in your seven years where you're kind of like, I never thought I'd be here? Yeah, my first trip to the United Nations, UN Climate Change Conference was in Marrakesh,

Morocco, and I'm like, I'm from for Saskatchewan, Alberta. what am I doing here right now holding government officials to account for their idling limos and their idling buses and they literally every morning would come and water the desert so that it would keep the dust down so that when the fancy people came in out of their idling limos which idled all day long they wouldn't get dust on their shoes and you know I kind of said to answer like I don't know like what am I doing here and he's like you're practical You see things that the other true believers and climate change journalists will never see. You're going to hear the air conditioner is running all day. You're going to notice that your nose is running all day because the air conditioning was so cold in Morocco to keep the delegates comfortable. I was the only person who noticed they were watering the desert. I was the only person who noticed that they kept the limoes idling all day while telling me my SUV is going to spell the end of humanity. And I think that was like my very first time where I was like, holy cow, what am I doing here?

But I'm here. So let's do it. Well, and that red pill you like nobody's business would it not? I mean, like once you've seen, you know, something with your own eyes, witnessed it firsthand. I've been like, okay. And then taking a step back and seeing what the argument is, whether it's a mainstream, whether it's whatever, you know, whatever organization is pushing it. And you're like, but I was literally just there and they were watering the desert.

And then which you're like, this is the most bizarre thing in the world. Like you can't unsee that type of thing. Well, I was in Bonn, Germany. Again, never thought I would be in Bonn, Germany for another UN climate change conference. And it's on the Rhine River where they held a conference. And I'm sort of standing on the river looking down at the conference. And a big cargo ship of coal just goes right past us on the river. And I'm like, nobody, nobody's noticing the coal.

at the UN climate change conference. And then, again, because I'm from Alberta and I noticed these things, but the true believers from Toronto never would. I was like, what is that beautiful hum I'm hearing? Sounds like prosperity. I'm like, oh, it's a light tower. Diesel powered light towers running the whole place.

All I had to do was follow the cords and investigate. But that's the stuff that people with like, you know, climate change kills on their laptop, they would never notice. They sit inside the conference instead of investigating actually what the conference is all about. So have you become cynical in seven years or are you having fun? Are you a little bit of both? Are you starting to see a change? Like, you know, like, I mean, we just had, if that's where your journey kind of starts to begin, I mean, COVID was like, I mean, this sounds really terrible, but almost like the cherry on top of like, can we get any crazier? No way, we kind of are. But. Are you getting cynical? Are you seeing some positives? What is Sheila Gunn got to say about that? You know what? I do my best not to be cynical and it's hard because say you're in the pressure cooker of news all day and you wake up every morning saying, not what am I going to do today, but how can I talk about all these things I want to talk about when there are only so many hours in the day? But I try to be a happy warrior. I try to keep a good sense of humor about me because otherwise it just grinds you down. But I will tell you,

that I think COVID, as bad as it was, has been a real wake-up call for a lot of people. Even a lot of the biggest balls of nerves, the goggles and the mask wearers and the people sanitizing their mail at the beginning of the pandemic, those people, you solely see them. I'm sure you all have a person like that or two on your Facebook page. you see these people with the scales falling off their eyes, suddenly realizing the government's been lying to me. Our politicians have been lying to me. My doctor's been lying to me.

The media has been lying to me. The things that I know are true have been censored by big tech. Even those people are starting to figure it out. You go to these anti-mandate marches, And they're a good sort of cross-section of severely normal people from all walks of life. You've got the libertines, the libertarians, the crystals cure cancer, granola people, the Christian right, the blue-collar right, and even the like my body, my choice, green party people. They're all marching at the same protest because they've all figured out the government and the media have lied to them. And so there's this bizarre coalition of people out there that, I mean, as Ralph Klein used to say, show me the parade that's marching and I'll jump in front of it and lead it. It's marching. Somebody's got to jump in front of it and lead it. And I just wonder who that person will be.

Well, what have you thought of Daniel Smith? Obviously here in Alberta, she comes out and she's been firing from the hips, so to speak, since she took office. And listen, I have a lot of time for Danielle, as a lot of the listeners know on the show, because if I go back to the day Kenny said it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated, she was on the show. And we were talking about that after it literally happened. So to me, she hasn't changed very much of what she has said, if at all, for over the course of a year, year and a half. and so here she is standing on the stage now saying pretty much what she's been saying for a year and a half, which has been quite impressive for my, I don't know, I'm not that young,

but at the same time for most reporters and everything else, I'm pretty young. And I go certainly in my political life, I'm young. But for me, I've been watching it, waiting for something to change where I can go, uh-oh,

here we go. What is, what do you think from that side, you know, watching her run the gauntlet come from, you know, Like absolute locked and stuffed away, you know, from the walk across the floor back in the Wild Rose days, nobody ever thought this would come back to, you know, 630 chat or chorus radio

getting, you know, moved off that to coming back through the lines and all of a sudden, now she's a premier of Alberta. You know, I was a wildrose supporter in my time before I was a journalist. And I was a big Daniel Smith fan. but I, like so many people, felt that sense of betrayal when she betrayed the grassroots cross the floor to the corrupt PCs and rewarded them for their corruption, which was a complete turnabout from what the Wild Rose was all about. It was a protest party.

It was the place where the real conservatives who couldn't stomach the corruption of 44 years of PC politics where they had fled. And, you know, the Waldrow's party survived Daniel Smith's betrayal. In fact, when it formed opposition again in that next election, the opposition was stronger under Brian Jean, more seats than Daniel Smith held, which was a testament to the people in that party that it wasn't just all about her. And I was talking to Rick Bell, and I don't know if I'm speaking out of turn when I say this, but probably not. he told me that she basically hid away for three years after what she had done. She just would not be seen in public because of the sense of shame and regret for what she had done. She immediately realized that what she had done was wrong.

She lost her nomination. The PCs couldn't save her. And then for the next, you know, four or five years almost, it was really an apology to her. She's on record every single day rebranding herself, recasting herself. And like you, her tune has not changed on COVID, on lockdowns, on anything. And especially in these first two weeks, under such extreme pressure from the media party, as as her calls it here in Alberta, she really hasn't buckled. And I got to tell you, that apology she offered when my journalist Celine Gallis asked about it in the press conference at the UCPA-GM

over the last weekend. It was heartfelt. It was sincere. And you cannot fake that. Danielle Smith offered a heartfelt, reconcilatory apology. that she didn't have to give. She apologized on behalf of Jason Kenney. That was his apology to give. But she knew that people out there had to hear from somebody in power that they had been wronged. And she offered to make it right as best she could if you were a government worker and you had been let go because of your vaccine choice. She welcomed them back.

So it's not just an apology. It's the act of contrition too. And again, it's not her contrition to. pay, but she's willing to do it. So, you know, she, she hasn't let me down yet, but I have been let down by politicians in the past, including Danielle, but Alberta is a place of redemption. You know, people come here all the time to start over and she can start over too. And I think she's off to a great start. Well, you know, I look for leaders that you can walk behind or not, I don't mean idolize, but just kind of like mimic, you know,

I don't know what the word is I'm looking for here, Sheila, but you kind of get the idea of what I'm trying to spit out. And so many of our politicians say one thing and do the other. And it's just like, like, what do we, yeah, like what are we trying to teach the population, right? Like, I mean, you're watching the commission. I've watched, I have not watched it all because I tell you what, blessed to those who can watch that much, sometimes absolute bullshit.

But anyways, nine hours a day roughly. I mean, there's probably longer, shorter, but anyways, you get the idea. But one of the things that really has troubled me since I started paying attention is the ability to get on stage and say nothing. Or the ability to get on stage and completely lie about facts, events, everything else. And like I say, I've been waiting for Daniel Smith to, you know, once you got elected, I'm like, okay, now here's the first test. You talk about the first two weeks. I'm like, is she going to change her tune? Because if you change their tune, then I'm going to be jaded because I've literally, you know, talked to this.

and how many times since, you know, she announced before she announced. And it's for me, and I think for a lot of people, we want somebody in politics that like stands behind what they say. Doesn't change it just because, you know, some, some heavy handed media types come down hard and put the pressure on because at the end of the day, we want to see somebody who does some homework and figures out like, okay, there's a problem here. we need to fix the problem instead of just, I don't even know, is it pandering to the loudest voice? Like it just feels like at times our politicians stand for a whole lot of nothing.

And when they get up and talk, you can't believe a damn word they're saying. I think the liberals call it deliverology. I've seen consultants paid for deliverology courses to the liberal cabinet. And it's basically the fine art of saying nothing and doing even less. and I'm not seeing a lot of that from Daniel Smith. Like I pay attention in press conferences. That's my job. And so you get really used to them saying nothing,

but saying a lot. Like Kamala Harris, she says a lot of things, but you're like you had literally said nothing in 180 seconds. But Daniel Smith actually says things, tangible things. Like, you know, when she's talking about reforming health care,

she doesn't talk about, you know, like we're going to find a, efficiencies. She actually says she's going to fire middle managers. Great. I can't wait. You can fire three out of every two and I wouldn't care. But you know, she actually has tangible, actionable things when she's talking and it's odd to hear a politician talk like that. It's super cool, isn't it? They used to talk like that. Ralph Klein used to talk like that. But it's so out of place these days. like three politicians on the planet talk like that. Ron DeSantis, Daniel Smith and Donald Trump, that's it.

Well, I thought you were going to throw out the lady from South Dakota. I can't think of her name. Oh, Christy Noam. She's my favorite. Christy No. Right? It's crazy, though. We now have, you know, and once again, okay, folks, I'm sorry, this will be my last little

tout on on Danielle because one of the things I told her the last time she was on, I said, like, you get invited in. our friendship has to change now. Like you get in, I have to be on you like white iron rice. Because if you change, you're literally defeating me. Like you were like killing me because I've sat here and chatted with all.

I chart with five of the seven candidates. I didn't think any of them were horrendous people by any stretch of imagination. Although some of them do have a few things in their closet. And some of them were more willing to talk about it than others. But you think about it here in Alberta with what she's saying. She is like one of three active leaders right now that is saying the right things, like actually saying the right things and standing behind it. And that's a pretty crazy thought.

Like there just isn't a whole lot of that going around the world. Well, and the thing is, gut help her if she takes a turn for the worst, because if you think we were rough on Jason, Kenny. Well, I've always said that she takes a turn for the worst. I'll be the first to light the match.

I'll be like, well, the other way. The other way was something else. I expect liberals to lie to me. I expect the NDP to lie to me. Actually, that's not true. NDP will actually tell you what they're going to do to you. And it ain't good. The liberals, they like to lie. But there's a sense of betrayal, not for me, but on behalf of Albertans who threw their support behind the conservative politician who says one thing and does another, and those regular Albertans, they don't have the ability sometimes to hold that politician to a

except at the ballot box. But I do have an opportunity to do that in between elections, and I will do it every time. Well, and I've been saying, you know, hockey player, I've been saying she, she's the Jay Woodcroft of the Oilers. Now, it's a little different. I get that, folks. I get that. But the truth of the matter is, she has a small window to bring conservatives back to conservatives, like back to the UCP, to bring the caucus back together, like all these little things.

that she's got to do because the United Conservative Party in Alberta wins, I don't know, in my opinion, they just win. And like, I think she's doing the right steps. That's, you know, Daniel Smith is,

is hopefully going to steer the ship in the right direction. She's got her stage set for her here in a world that certainly doesn't want some of what she's saying, although the population certainly does. And so it'll be interesting to watch. you talk about your job is to pay attention during press conferences, that type of thing. What do you thought about the Public Order Emergency Commission after Day 9 was today?

So as we record this, folks, day nine just finished up. What have you thought of all the different, because there's a lot packed in a day. I thought it's been, at times, I'm like, oh, my God, it's pretty cool how many different lawyers they have talking to these people. Sometimes it goes nowhere. Sometimes it's like, wow, that was, did he just? And other times, I got to be honest, I zone out because it's a lot of, it's a lot of sitting and staring at a screen, to be honest. What have you found through nine days of it so far?

It was a lot worse than I thought. And I don't mean the convoy or the impact of the convoy on a handful of a few thousand busy bodies who live in downtown Ottawa. I got a chuckle to the audience. You could probably hear it in my voice. I had a phone call earlier day and they're like, is this Sean? Like, yeah, I'm losing my voice, right? I never thought I was going to be doing a podcast with a, you know, sounding like I am.

Maybe I sound normal. I don't know. But I'm chuckling because I said it to Sheila and Sheila's bad and cold too. So we're both in the same spots. I don't feel bad for coughing. It's tough, but we're powering through it. But yeah, the convoy is the convoy commission, the trucker commission, as we call it. the chaos and disarray in the Ottawa Police Service was a lot worse than I thought.

And there's a lot of times where, you know, if you take the politicians out of it, the city counselors who are hypogondriacs and are on a little bit too much CBC, and they're filled with anxiety and they think honking is a microaggression and trucks are weapons. and even though they live on the 22nd floor, they think the carbon monoxide is going to get them up there. If you take them out of the equation and you only talk to senior city bureaucrats and members of the OPS,

you get a lot of truth out of them. And what they were saying all along was that the truckers were bargaining in good faith. They have receipts, as the kids say, emails back and forth, deals signed between the mayor's office, the city manager, and the head of the convoy,

Tamara Leach. Keith Wilson, Tamara Leach's lawyer will testify to, well, you know, like he's been on our show talking about all of this stuff, that there was a deal done, but not just a deal done. The deal was already in play. That the trucks were to start getting moved out of the residential area, that happened on the 13th.

The deal was sort of done in the days before, finalized, city managers involved, and then on the 14th, the liberals dropped the hammer on them. And what happened then is the trucks couldn't get out even if they wanted to. Because when the Emergencies Act was invoked, all the cops that were being used to direct the trucks

out of the residential areas, they were redeployed to the main protest site to start with mass arrests. And one of the other things that I found absolutely appalling, actually before I go on to that, what is also evident in the documents, because not only do I sit through nine hours of testimony and then do it one hour live stream after the testimony, is then I read all the documents that are in evidence,

everybody's emails back and forth. The minister's office was aware of the deal that was done. So the public safety minister's office and in communications with the assistant deputy minister of that office that they knew a deal was done between the cops and the truckers and the city and the truckers. But they didn't care. They were going to invoke that emergencies act anyway.

The emergencies act for those people who don't know, it's a wartime law. It's a counterterrorism law. It's designed to cut off the funding to a terrorist organization and secure Canadian sovereignty. It's not to be used for inconvenience in downtown Ottawa, bouncy castles and horn honking, which by the way, stopped after a few days because of an injunction. It's not for that. It's not for Justin Trudeau's ego. And so it's really important

that the bar never gets lowered. But I do want to stress that there came a point in these negotiations where senior government officials, that means liberals, had agreed to meet with the truckers. It's police records that they had. It's in the OPP police liaison team emails where they're trying to formalize the wording on a deal. And the liberals reneged on that deal before they had to follow through. So the truckers following through, the liberals renege on the deal by invoking the Emergencies Act. All the police redeploy and the chaos continues for the, like I said, a few thousand busy bodies who live in downtown Ottawa. But one of the things, the most appalling things that I've heard,

are the targeting of the kids in the convoy and the snatch and grabs. OPP's superintendent, Abrams, testified earlier last week. And he said immediately upon his arrival in Ottawa, he heard from chief slowly at the time who was ultimately replaced, although it's not somebody better, but somebody who is worse, if that's even possible, but it was that he did not want his officers engaged in illegal arrests. And he was not going to allow any OPP officers to participate in any of it until he sought outside legal advice. It was that bad.

And what the OPS wanted done and what they ultimately did do were snatch and grabs. Now, they said initially it was to, it was part of Project Hydra to cut off the head of the B. to grab the influencers from within the convoy, as though having a big social media following is a crime, and the organizers to get them, arrest them, get them off the streets, whether they were arrestable or not. But what it came down to was, I don't know if you know about this term, Starlight Tours. Do you know that term?

I can't say I do. It's a horrible dark time in Canadian policing. Starlight tours happened in Saskatoon. Two cops eventually were charged with a lawful confinement, I think, which is the Canadian version of kidnapping. And they would take indigenous or troublesome people from downtown Saskatoon, taken to the outskirts of town, and it was bitterly cold, a starlight tour, and dump them there.

And when this went on and on and on until people turned up dead, frozen to death. Well, as it would happen. And so this is a thing, by the way, I was talking to Danny Bulford, former RCMP. Yeah, he's been a guest on the show multiple times, yeah. He said this is something they talk about it in our training, no matter how irritating or how much you dislike the person in front of you. Do not even contemplate doing that.

It is deadly and it is illegal. It's part of their training. Well, as it turns out, the OPS, we're taking hundreds of protests. Yeah. take it was bitterly cold. Mine is 30. They've been outside all day. Their phones aren't charged.

They take them outside of town. They said the police chief, former police chief, Steve Bell testified on Monday. First, he said, I don't know anything about these so-called starlight tours. But then he said, and then he corrected himself and said, but they weren't taken outside of city limits. So which one is it? Was it not happening? or it was happening, but we know it was happening. We both know that it was happening.

We've heard from enough protesters, I was going to say truckers. I've heard enough stories coming out of Ottawa where they did exactly that. I was wondering what you meant by snatch and grab, but now I know exactly the story. I didn't realize, I guess I never put that together that a Starlight tour was, but that makes complete sense. You know, you drive them out to the outskirts and then, you know, I can attest. I was there the first week, like the first week was like minus 30 every night. maybe colder and to have to walk all the way back to your, you know, your truck or what have you, I think people can get a sense of how dangerous that is.

They were left in a far flung parking lot on the outskirts of town with no shelter. Sometimes they didn't have coats because they were dragged out of their trucks at gunpoint. They were held in paddy wagons sometimes. The Irish are going to send me emails. I'm sorry. Police vehicles. in handcuffs for hours, unheated in the back. Their phones were dead because they were outside in the cold all day.

And they were abandoned in a parking lot at minus 30. And the cops just washed their hands of it. And some people were beaten. I was talking to Keith Wilson, a young mom 30 years old. I think she's on the witness list. Hopefully we'll hear from her story of how she was taken for hours before she was eventually dumped. just think a young woman no cell phone, no coat in the complete darkness on the outskirts of Ottawa, it's a miracle, nothing worse happened to her.

Well, as people around there would know, there was a lot more going on. I mean, a lot of people looking out for people, and sometimes that went a little further than just what I'm talking about is prayers and different things like that. And that certainly probably helped guide a few people back, I am going to assume. and saying that you're absolutely right that it is a bit of a miracle that I mean just the weather alone Sheila it was it was cold you know don't get this picture like this was a sunny or you know even a moonlit summer night like this was the dead of winter you know late January early February um like this was you know in Canada it doesn't get much worse than that specific time um you mentioned kids what are you talking about with kids so some testimony came out this week

again from former police chief, former acting police chief, Steve Bell, he didn't get the permanent job, no matter his political wranglings that he pulled before he took the job from former chief slowly. He

came out that and this is through documents. I've got a story coming out about it because apparently I'm the only person who reads these documents, but the kids he announced in a press conference that he was getting the Children's Aid Society, as they call it there.

So CPS, Child Protective Services, involved because he was concerned about kids in the convoy. So I guess you're a bad parent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember hearing, yeah. So he announces this in a press conference as though you can't be a good parent and be blue collar and disagree with Justin Trudeau. But he announces this in a press conference. As it turns out later on, Child Protective Services says they didn't contact us about this. We don't know anything about this.

We don't want to get involved unless there are serious allegations, but just being in a protest that's not child endangerment. It happens all the time. And then as it turns out, in emails, we can see that it was a communications strategy crafted by the greasiest communications firm in this entire country navigator, their crisis communications. If you go back far enough, they worked for Allison Redford and her time when she was trying to build herself a palace in the sky apartment for her and her daughter. They were managing the crisis communications there. When you're caught doing something bad, you call in Navigator.

But then I keep digging in the emails and I can see that actually the wink, wink, nod, maybe we should take the kids threat, came from Justin Trudeau's, his intelligence advisor. It came from the prime minister's office and Navigator just bundled it up into a communication strategy so that they would threaten these parents with their kids. Think about what kind of a Google you have to be to do that. So you've taken their jobs. You've taken their ability to travel, their ability to say goodbye to their dead and dying,

visit their grandparents, have people over for anything, really. You've taken all of that. You've taken away their kids' sports. You've taken everything from them. And now you're going to take their kids. Because you couldn't break these people because you couldn't make them bend the knee to the government

because they were inconvenient and embarrassing. I just thought, as a mom, that is next level despicable. But that's the lengths that the Ottawa police were willing to go to and the direction came right out of the prime minister's office. Oh man. You know, I,

I just, when it comes to the leader of our country, it's like, what can you say at this point? Right? Like nothing even, I think it's Theo Fleury who says, He leans back in his chair and he goes, nothing surprises me anymore. You know, it's just like, I mean, like at this point, nothing surprises you because they seem to try and do it all.

And I certainly heard about the kids and, you know, I know, I know like very great family men and women who took their kids to see this, right? And you're like, to think that they're even putting them a remote harm is, is hilarious. I mean, it was, the kids were why they were there. Yeah. What, you know, they're fighting for their kids' future. That's why they went. So, so on, on night two, night one, night two, geez, I got to think about this. I think it's night two.

I was terrible, you know, they were talking about Antifa being out there and don't be off the streets by eight o'clock. Don't go out after eight o'clock. It's going to be dangerous, right? This was the kind of the theme. And so night three, I got pissed off. And I can't remember it was one of the ladies had gone out and said, I'm not worried about it.

I'm like, you know what, I'm not worried about it either. And I went out, and the first thing I see is a family of five. The kids were, let's just take a stab. Sean's always terrible with numbers or ages, sorry. So I'm going to say like 753. And they were handing out candy bags to the truckers and everything. And I'm like, the hell are people talking about it? Like, this is, I mean, like, this is like the safest place on the earth right now.

This is pretty crazy that, you know, like families had their kids out at, you know, 830 night, like thanking everybody for coming out. And instead, you know, when you hear the, the different things about, you know, parents putting their kids in, you know, child protective services coming out and trying to like nab kids for that. Like, yeah, that's a tactic that, I mean, what can you say, Sheila? I mean, you've used some words. I don't even know the word to use. It's evil. It's evil.

It's evil, evil shit. And it's just another lie that they tell about these people, these severely, severely. normal to use another Ralph Kleinism. Severely normal people. And it takes a lot to get severely normal people to back their kids up and drive across the country and stay somewhere for four weeks. When they get mad, you should listen. In the middle of the winter, right? Like, middle of the winter. We have one effing road that goes across Canada. And let me tell you, the north side of Ontario is some crazy, crazy roadway. And to do that at that time of the year, with everything that was going on.

Yeah, you've got to be pissed off. You've got to be motivated. I mean, I can just imagine Ottawa sitting there going, you know, like all these, we had no idea how many trucks were coming. We had no idea how many trucks were coming. It's not true. Pop on social media and see what's coming at you. But that's not true because all along the way,

OPP and CIS and their partners at the RCMP were compiling Intel reports. They call them Hendon reports. Yes, yes, the Hendon reports. And those were available to the Ottawa Police Service as early as the middle of January. And as the convoy approached and grew, they were tracking all the sort of satellite convoys as they came into one. They had all the information. And Chief Bell, who was the head of Intel, in fact, at the time when Chief slowly was in charge, he admitted that his plan to deal with the convoy

was not rooted in the intel that he had so he didn't rely on any of the intel that he just was sort of caught flat-footed not making a plan for the sheer volume of trucks that were headed his way another thing that really stuck out to me was this lie that Chief Bell kept telling

about the violence, the violence, the violence on the street until the lawyer for the truckers, Brendan Miller. Brendan Miller, yeah. Oh, gosh, he's good. Yeah, Miller time. Yeah.

I just wait. You know what? That's why I pay attention to all the nonsense, all the boring nonsense, and like the lawyer for the busy bodies. That's just like the mashed potatoes that you have to eat before you get to the steak. Brendan Miller mosey's up to the microphone and just drops the axe on somebody's

forehead. He said to chief. he said to Chief Bell, what violence are you talking about? Oh, the violence that they felt. And he's like, so not violence under the CESIS Act, but like basically imaginary violence, emotional violence, like, nonsense, woke stuff. And Chief Bell had to admit, yes. And his own police data backs that up. Now, you'll hear repeatedly, there were like 500 charges stemming from the convoy.

Well, that may be true, but the majority of those came after police were given extraordinary powers of arrest, to search, seizure, and charging. That was after the invocation of the Emergencies Act. Do you know how many charges were laid on the convoy between January 27th and February 13th? And I don't want to say on the convoy, because I'm pretty sure that two of these belong. to people who attack the convoy. Do you know how many charges? 16.

16. The majority of those are mischief for the crime of bringing fuel or firewood into the convoy. There were five violent charges, like four assault and I think one resisting arrest or something akin to that. And two of those belong to the other side. So there's really only three violent charges that are attributed. to the convoy itself. Well, I, I, um, I just shared this story, uh, on a podcast ago or maybe two. Anyways, uh, a guy and his family went out there.

So he took his kids and his wife and they drove out there and they got there. I think it's on the last day. And then they spent a day or two around the city and whatever else. And he was driving his kids around. He said, you know how this, this, this protest was not violent that it didn't get out of hand. And, you know, I'm paraphrasing here, but he, you know, you know, know the kids go, why dad? And he goes, well, look at all the windows.

Like, look at the streets. There's no broken glass anywhere. Nothing's burnt down. Everything is in, you know, relative city pristine condition. And he has, like, they're calling this the most violent, you know, an occupation, all these different things. He's like, well, where's all the destruction? There's no destruction.

And, uh, I mean, for all the people who went and saw it firsthand, uh, I'll say it again, it was probably the safest place on the earth with the most goodwill I've ever seen come out of anywhere on the earth. Like it was, it was, it was, it was, it was a something else, you know, that you hope you get to see maybe some point again, Sheila, you know, throughout this. But it's pretty cool, you know, I appreciate you doing this with me because I'm a guy who certainly picks up on whenever Brendan Miller's on. Like, I mean, that guy is just shooting three.

I'm not a Steph Curry fan. I want to point that out to a couple of listeners. We get an argument all this time. But you watch Steph Curry just walk up to the three point line and drop it. And you're like, man, that guy's talented. Hey, Brennan Miller just walks up. Says his like three minutes because he doesn't get two hours to grill these guys. No.

Walks in and in like three minutes, they get to the point and he goes, okay, that's all I got. And you get more out of that little short stint. Then you do all the question and story time they have with everyone else. Yeah. He's great. Rob Kittredge from the JCCF. Terrific Alan Honor from the Democracy Fund has been fantastic too. There's another young lady who's also working with JCCF. Oh, I'm so sorry I forget her name, but she's a young new lawyer.

She's also very good. I've been imploring people to watch it for themselves. It's great. I love how you can break down. you know, the different days or even the different guests they've been on. I think that's really, really important. I'm going to put it in the show notes again, but certainly they can follow it through Rebel News, I believe, as well.

Yes. What is the site for Rebel News and following the commission? If you want to follow the commission itself, it's trucker commission.com. We've got a journalist on the ground at the commission every single day. We host a one-hour live stream. So if you didn't want to suffer through it, but you know I did, it's usually me and the journalist that was on the ground. And then we bring in usually somebody from within the convoy and maybe a lawyer to help give us, you know,

sort of on the, you know, the reality check, but also the legal reality check. And one of us is live tweeting every single day, most of the time, that's me, because I'm watching it anyway. And we also cut out all the relevant clips and post those two. So if you're following Rebel News on Twitter or on Facebook, you'll get. at all of the big juicy stuff. Yeah. Juicy stuff. Not the boring stuff.

Well, I'm going to post the procedural stuff. I'm going to post the link in the show notes again because I do my best to pay attention to it because it is, I mean, this is history sitting in front of us for another, you know, what is it, four weeks, four and a half weeks kind of thing. Am I wrong on that? Yeah, it's for four more weeks. And I think you're right. This is the only real accountability that Justin Trudeau has ever.

faced in his entire time in office because he can't control this. This is happening live for the world to see. Yeah. It may be fed to you by the mainstream media, but you can fact check it for yourself. And I would take it one one other thing I like about it is, uh, you know, they put a a person up on the stand there for a long chunk of time. All day. And in my opinion, uh, a good lie and I'm not saying a good liar can't get up there.

and and breeze through it. But over that course of time, it becomes so evident when you're watching. You're like, this guy, like what is he talking about? What, what,

you know, and then having as many different questionnaires as they have, everybody comes in with their little line of questioning. And if you watch it from the beginning to end, you can really see, uh, a person have to perform on stage. And I really do mean perform because,

um, when they're not completely giving you everything, that slowly starts to come out as, well, right? And what they don't say or what they do acknowledge at some point. And like you said, it being live for the world to watch has been fascinating. And it's kind of like the NHL playoffs in round one where every night you can just flick on the TV and there's games going on. You flick his sucker on bright and early. It's going on. And you can watch it right to the end of the day. And, you know, I've watched one of your, I don't know, it kind of reminds me after like the big NHL trade deadline and I'm breaking all the hockey terms out tonight.

But it's like, I don't know if I need to know what all the trades were. Just give me the, you know, what your thoughts are on it. And that's what's happening with you at end of every day, which is pretty cool too because for a lot of people, you know, they're working their bag off. You know, we both know in the oil field. And it's starting to get a little chilly outside and everything else. and to come home and just listen to, okay, what actually happened and break it down for me, that's pretty cool to know as well. We also have a journalist, well, he's our lead documentary filmmaker, Kean Simone. He's in Ottawa right now. And he's got a little side project going on. So what he does is he takes the lies that he hears in the commission by the witnesses.

and then he goes through our archival footage because we had journalists embedded in the convoy the entire time they were in Ottawa. We had journalists going to Ottawa with the convoy. So what he does is he goes to our archival footage and he just shows, okay, well, this is what this guy said. And this is what reality was literally on the ground with our video cameras. No commentary. You know anything. You can make your own mind up.

But he's got a little side fact checking project going on. So stay tuned for that too. because some of the stuff that he's already putting together is pretty damning. You know, once upon a time in Canada, I was pretty disheartened about our media. You know, like not only media, but there are a whole bunch of different things. You could even do politicians too, and you can, you can just, I was pretty disheartened. But just watching all the different, and certainly you've already pointed out how many years Rebels been around. But, you know, it takes time to grow into a,

place of where you got some real swagger, maybe, is the right word. And you see other people starting to have similar abilities, you know, to do similar things. And I think it's awesome because more and more people need to understand what the hell this is going on. You know, I was walking in here

today and somebody asked me, oh, who are you interviewing tonight? I'll explain it. No, no, you're going to talk about and I'm like, well, as I always do, I always love hearing a bit of the backstory because, you know, when you're reporting, it's not like Sheila's breaking down who Sheila is, right? I mean, it kind of comes out over time. And certainly if you watch you from beginning to end, you've probably got a very, very good feeling. But if you tune in once in a while, you know, maybe you don't know. So that's why I love hearing a bit more about backstory.

But then I brought up, you know, we're going to talk public order emergency commission. Well, what's that? I'm like, oh, okay. Well, I think, you know, I, from where I sit, you know, I don't have, I'm not identical to rebel by any stretch of imagination. But that's not, that's not what needs to happen. You've got to have all these different things pulling in the same direction, all doing it their way to get the message out so that people can understand what's going on. So my hat's off to not only rebel, but all the other independence or whatever we're calling them for their coverage on this thing because it is desperately needed.

Yeah, you know what? we, unlike the American landscape with their conservative networks, they're really quite saturated there. But here, you know, there's very few of us that are not colonized by Justin Trudeau's subsidies. And, you know, I don't, I view all of them as sort of friendly competitors, but I think we're peers. And, you know, there's a, it's a big job to hold this government to account and a rising tide floats all boats. So I'm just, I'm cheering for everybody at Western Standard, True North, counter signal and all the other independent media outlets. And, you know, I'm happy to show the mainstream media what real journalism is because I think

they've forgotten. Journalism is not a guild that you join. It's a thing that you do every day. And anybody with a cell phone can be a journalist, regardless of what CBC tells you. Yeah, well, I mean, if you're paying attention to the details, that's what journalism is, right? For good or bad. One final thing before I get let you out of here, and I've probably exasperated your voice enough tonight, and certainly you've got a long day ahead of you again tomorrow. We always end with the Crude Master final question. Shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald, supporters of the podcast since the very beginning.

It's his words. He says, if you're going to stand behind a cause, then stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Sheila stands behind? Free speech. free speech, if you have free speech, you can win all your other rights back. Whatever they took from you, you can at least argue. You can make an argument. Free speech is the expression of what's inside you. And so there are times at Rebel News where we have allowed not just our competitors, but probably our political enemies, to use our legal resources, to fight with the Alberta government,

fight with Jason Kenny for media access because rights, especially free speech. They're not just for the people you agree with. They're for everybody. And so for me, if that's the one thing I've got to stand behind, it's free speech. Right on. Well, Sheila, I appreciate you, give me some time tonight and appreciate the work you're continuing to deliver to Albertans and, of course, more than that. But here in Alberta, we certainly know all about you. But either way, go get some tea in you or something. I'm going to go work out, actually. Well, that might be the best cure for the best remedy for it anyways.

But either way, thanks for giving me an hour tonight on your busy, busy schedule. And hopefully we'll talk soon. You got it.