Shaun Newman Podcast - #349 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer 2.0

Episode Date: November 30, 2022

One is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian & economist whos work can be found on sites like Zero Hedge & Newsmax media The other is a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author, contributing editor at Zero Hedge. We discuss Russia/Ukraine, Elon Musk/Twitter & world politics. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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For more information, visit them at Hancockpetroleum.ca. The first is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, an economist whose work can be found on sites like Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. The second, a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author, and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. I'm talking about Tom Luongo and Alex Craneer. So buckle up, here we go. I'm Alex Craneer, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast.

Welcome to the Sean Newell podcast today. I'm joined by Alex Kramer, Tom Luongo. Listeners will recall Tom was on episode 321, Alex on 327, and then you guys were on together, 336, and that was November 2nd. And I chuckle, you know, here we are a little less than a month after. And I feel like everything in the world just is constantly changing and everything else. Either way, boys, thanks for hopping back on. I got tons of great feedback on every episode you two had been on, but especially putting you two together.

It was very popular. People really enjoyed it. So thanks for hopping back on here. Happy to do it. Greg, good to be with you, Sean. Hi, Tom. Good to see you again. As always.

Alex, it's my pleasure. Excited about the discussion that hasn't happened yet. Well, before we get into it, before we get into it, wouldn't it be fun to do this live? you know, like in person somewhere at a pub or something. Would you two like to come to Western Canada? We could do an SMP Presents. I'd gladly host the two of you on stage talking.

Yeah, I mean, if we can work it out, it'd be fun. There you go. I'm not averse. So where are you actually, Sean? Well, I could probably fly into Calgary is probably where we try. Okay, so that means a Flames game would have to be in the. Oh, I got to work out a flames game too. Do you realize I'm a diehide?

If I'm doing Alberta, then it's, you know, I'm definitely doing both a flames game and an oilers game. Like it's, you know, I'm agnostic about this. I just have to go and visit all the Canadian shrines. So I was saying to the listener, we've been chatting now for like 10 minutes about nothing about how Tom is microwaving his coffee and everything else. And everybody's just, I tell you what, I apologize to the listener because there will be. be a bloopers reel come out. Just not this one. The next time I have these two Yahoo's on, I'm going to make sure I record

right from the beginning because I've been doing nothing but laughing my ass off since we started. And we haven't even talked about anything. Yeah. The world is alive right now, or Twitter is electric right now, with everything China.

We're seeing massive protests. Where do you guys want to start with this? I'll throw it. whichever way you want to go, whoever wants to hop in first, I just, I look at it and I go like, you know, from the Canadian side, we're with China now, but we weren't with our own people when we were protesting. I find that comical, but I mean, China looks like this bizarre old land right now. What are you guys seeing? What are you hearing? Alex, why don't you take this first?

Okay. So, Sean, I don't know about China. I've been forming my opinions about what's going on in China over the last two years with a pandemic. But I don't know because I know that the West is flush with disinformation and misinformation about China. So a lot of it is coming through the Epoch Times. You know, people are, journalists are quoting Epoch Times at face value. Epoch Times is controlled by the thing called Falun Gang, which is extremely anti-Chinese Communist Party, the current regime. So I trust them as far as I can throw them, which is not extremely far. I've been trying to follow actual genuine authentic Chinese sources. and several Westerners who live in China.

And what I'm gathering from them is that things are not at all the way it's being presented in the Western media. What the hell is going on with this zero COVID policy? I don't know. But it isn't about COVID. That's for sure. Because to push on with a zero COVID. policy, you would have to be stupid or you'd have to have a different agenda. And I don't know what the different agenda is.

But I'll just mention what I worked out. The Russian agenda was with COVID. I may have mentioned this before, but I think it's worth keeping in mind because I was personally very surprised to see Russia fall into lockstep with the World Health Organization and Bill Gates and everybody and take this. COVID thing at face value seriously, do the lockdowns, the masks, the vaccination, everything, as the World Health Organization dictated. I was very confused about it because, you know, you already had the president of Belarus, Lukashenko, who pretty much said, this is all bullshit.

We're not doing this. And, you know, I know that at the level of intelligence services, Russian Belarus are quite tight. So what was the Russian game? And then it became clear to me the day they announced that they are launching their Sputnik 5 vaccines. Because Sputnik 5 vaccine was the first one to launch in the whole world. The Russians were the first. And they made the vaccine immediately available to the whole world.

Whoever wanted it, they were going to get. give it to them at low prices. And not only that, they also offered countries to produce their own version under license. So they said, we'll give you the license if you want to produce it yourself. Okay, so here's where the game gets interesting. The vaccines themselves are secondary. The thing that was more important was that the vaccine was supposed to be the stepping stone towards the sanitary passes, the COVID passports, which were supposed to be used. universal. And now if you look at the statements by people like Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates and so forth, they fully planned on having monopoly on the vaccines. So Western pharmaceutical corporations

were going to have the monopoly and they were going to vaccinate 7 billion people. Remember Bill Gates saying like nothing's going to normal, back to normal until we have 7 billion people vaccinated. So that means that 7 billion people would obtain vaccination certificate linked to Moderna, Pfizer, Novartis, whatever else came out. And so that means now the next level is important because, you know, once you have a vaccine certificate, there's a whole administration and bureaucracy that is behind, you know, when you show your QR code and then some machine says go or don't or stop. Right. There's a whole bureaucracy, IT system and administration of these rules, right? And so, monopoly over the vaccines would also give them the monopoly over the administration of this system.

Now, if countries adopt at Sputnik 5, the Russian vaccine, that completely throws the spanner into the globalist pandemic agenda, because now they either have to include Russians in the administration of this system, or they have to give up control over the countries that opt for Sputnik 5. you know, because now you cannot, now you no longer have monopoly. Now, what the hell do you do now? So had the Russians not played along and taken the whole thing seriously, and, you know, if they said like, no, no, no, we're not buying this, this is a hoax, then their vaccine wouldn't have been credible. You know, like, wait, you have a vaccine, but you said the whole thing was a hoax. So the Russians had to play along, be part of the system in order to throw a spanner into it.

Because, you know, it's not just whether you or I can get on a plane or go into a pub or go into a theater. It's much bigger than that because that system you could use, you could use it to destabilize government. You could you could use it to trigger social uprisings. You know, you could trigger, you could use it. in all kinds of nefarious ways, once you have the power to control whether in some countries people may travel, people may leave their homes, people may, you know, go to work, children may go to school and so on and so forth. And so the globalist fully planned on holding all the cards and having full control over this system. And the fact that the Russians played along

launched their vaccine first, completely collapsed this agenda. So that's how we work out the Russian agenda. I don't know how to work out the Chinese agenda. It's like way out there, it's, I mean, way out there in the sense that it's, it's so exaggerated way past due date that there's got to be something to it. I just can't explain what it is. my my guess is that there may be shaking out foreigners out of China because we've seen that this is this is such heavy-handed harassment that I know I know people who have said like

okay enough we're packing up we're leaving China we're not going to live here anymore you're maybe right about that Alex but what's interesting I don't have a different explanation but it's it's not zero COVID because Zero COVID is a completely unrealistic impossible objective. Agreed. So to do all this to eliminate a virus, which cannot be eliminated, is simply not the correct explanation. Well, and I want to fill in some stuff that Alex said about the Russian thing, because I

hadn't, that explanation is really good. And I remember the day that Sputnik 5 was announced, I called it the most, I called it the biggest geopolitical tool available. I did. I wrote about it. There's a blog. I got a blog post on Sputnik 5, all of it. I realized exactly what it was. It was a means by which for the Russians to shift the entire process and to put themselves, I always thought it was to put themselves in a magnanimous position. It's like we have a simple two-vector denovirus vaccine, which is no different than, you know, the one they developed for SARS, MERS, Ebola. Because, I mean, these are all. These are all, you know, coronavirus variants in some way, right? So the technology was proven. It was easy to generate. And the potential for there to be side effects of the type that we've seen with the MRI viruses, vaccines,

the were much lower because I remember arguments literally with a friend of mine who is a virologist about this. And because he was going on and on and on about, you know, the Russian virus, the Russian vaccine. There's no, it isn't. I've read the papers on this. I've read this and since I also have a science background, he actually listens to it. And we had a long talk about this. And it really like stopped him for a minute. I'm like, no, the Russian vaccine is different and it's different for a reason. And Alex, the point you make about Russians having to go along with it. And then, and then, you know, get the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the endovirus vector vaccine out into the into the, into the hands of billions of people. And. And for the West to completely reject Sputnik 5, the same way they rejected hydroxychloroquine and vibramectin and all of this stuff, it was all part of the same thing. They were pushing us towards a particular solution, which was not to save lives. And the Russian vaccine, their rejection of the Russian vaccine was clearly along those same lines because they had a different agenda, which was to bring in the global health passports

and all the rest of it and build their, and build their technocracy on it, their transnational technocracy on it. And the Russians blew it all wide open. Now, zero COVID is a weird thing. I'm going to try and like just one quick thing. From my perspective, zero COVID, I think helps and it is two things or potentially two things to other ideas to think about. One, by taking specific areas of Chinese production offline at times, it absolutely supports their strategic partnership with the Russians in evading sanctions by putting basically effectively counter sanctions on supply chains for important gains. goods and services, especially pharmaceuticals in the United States. Remember, with the Chips Act and with

the Biden's big executive order and all the money starting to flow back into the United States to build a new semiconductor manufacturing industry here in the U.S., which honestly is going to happen in the next three years. I mean, TSM is going to have a three nanometer fab in Texas by the end, by the 2024. Oh, really? So they're going to be producing iPhone chips. They just announced this last week. So this remanufacturing of this manufacturing renaissance for semiconductors. Here in the United States is a big deal.

The Chipsack and the executive order put China behind the eight ball on on on on on on on on on on on on on on on on on on on on on on on on semiconductors for advanced military hardware because that's part that's what this is really about. And on the one hand, but at the same time, the Chinese have us completely over the barrel. And for pharmaceutical precursors, we've offshore all of that here in the U.S. We have no strategic, we have no strategic moat around pharmaceutical production here in the U.S. And we're seeing a, and it just, I just popped into my head, we're seeing massive shortages, the basic things like

Oh yeah That's great Tamiflu all that came out yesterday That's probably downstream of G's Zero COVID policy Because he probably shut down All of that production

Now let's take it one step further He also has real honest to God Civil unrest Because of the Because of the Fed aggressively raising interest rates And cutting off You know

And the Biden administration are in a trade war. We've got cost of capital. And China is, you know, through the roof. Now they've got a real, honest, they've got property crisis. So how best to stamp out potential civil unrest, lock everybody in their homes.

So in that respect, I think those may be two angles on this as well. So, you know, but it's very clear that it's both support for the Russians initially for the first three or four months of a war in Ukraine. And now it's part and parcel with, well, if you're going to take chips away from us, we're going to take drugs away from you. So that's what I got. Well, yeah, that's extremely interesting.

I think you're on the right track. It kind of makes a lot of sense. I just wanted to add another thing that since this had all been happening, I saw an interview with a Russian general on Russian TV, right? So this was not. And it's like an older guy. And the woman who's interviewing asked him asked him, and this was recorded during the pandemic period in 2020 at some point. And she asked him like, oh, what about the pandemic, something?

And he just kind of said like, oh, no, you know, this is, we don't regard this at all as a public health issue. We regard this exclusively as a global geopolitical issue. the pandemic, okay? So it wasn't, they knew what was going on. That's the thing. They knew what was going on, and they had a strategy of how to deal with it ahead of time.

Yep. And you know, one thing you cannot say about the Chinese is that they're stupid. They're extraordinarily sophisticated. So understanding what they're doing, you can only guess and I think that Tom's guess is very good it makes sense

but I think we'll we'll find out with time if there's something more to it you know that you know it's simply no way to know at this point can I ask

when we sit here and I look I sit in Canada so I look at our fearless leader and I got zero confidence of it okay zero and we just got through the Emergency Act Commission,

and I got even less confidence in them. If I was sitting in Russia or I was sitting in China, do I look at my leaders the same way? I mean, Putin's got, you know, is in full out war in Ukraine. You got China, you know, I don't think anyone can knock. Chinese look far in advance, but I'm trying to figure out if the population's there, guys, if they are going, oh, yeah, we got this under control, or if they're, you know, like, uh-uh, we don't like what's going on with our leaders.

Because I know here in Canada, like, I just, I sit. And, I mean, Tom, you're in the States. I don't think you look at Biden and go, wow, we got a great rock star on the old political stage right now. I mean, half the time, he doesn't know if he's coming or going. But, you know, in fairness, he's got yellow coming. That's all he knows. in fairness our uh our uh yep jello followed by

yellow followed by we're done bluper reel number two sorry well i mean and our our uh our our leader i mean it's a dress up time right every time he's in a new outfit with a new just on the political stage trying to buy into a culture blah blah blah blah blah i don't need to go any further than that do the populations of russia get what's going on, the same with China, or is it no different than in Canada and the United

States? Some of the people get it and other people are just clueless. I'd say that the Russians are pretty well clued in on a lot of what's going on. And you can tell from the way the polling that's done. And of course, you can attenuate any local polling, you know, depending on, you know, where it's from, you know, some percentage, 10% this one. But if you really look at Russian polling, like they're very close to, you know, what you would consider a popular mandate backing Putin's policies, be it 70 to 75% approval rating on.

You know, now it's like the war, for example, has dragged on in a way that the Russian people are actually angry with Putin for going so slow. Because the Russian people understand. And partly this is because Russian propaganda is effective. at selling this as a war for Russia's survival against the West. Attenuate that, as you will, right? I happen to agree with that sentiment. I would think, I don't want to put words in Alex's mouth,

but I do think that Alex feels, you know, close to the same way. But, you know, I interact with people who I respect to my partner, Dexter White, who doesn't see it at that. And so just sees it as, you know, typical kind of government mafiosi tactic stuff, right? you know, that the Russian state is no less or more a mafiosi-style government than ours is or anything else. So, you know, how effective the propaganda is is a good question. At a minimum, because Putin has competent and they know that Putin works for Russia, they can quibble with the mistakes he makes, but they understand that, you know, from what I, can tell. They know that he has Russia's best interest at heart, even if they don't agree with

him. We don't have that luxury here in the United States. You don't have it in Canada, and we certainly don't have it in much of Europe. And it's clear from the policies that these people pursue. Yeah. And for people who have a big problem with Russia invading Ukraine, because, you know, there's still a lot of people who say like the unprovoked invasion, blah, blah, blah. It really started not as an invasion, but as a special military operation. And it is clear now that Putin never intended to overrun Ukraine. They had very specific goals. And in late March, early May, they even had very advanced negotiations with the Zelensky regime,

where they said, like, you recognize Crimea, you demilitarize, you continue as a neutral country, and you recognize autonomy for the Dombas region. And we pull all the way back out of Ukraine completely. We're done. It's over. So Russia's initial strategy was to achieve very strictly limited goals to get NATO out of their backyard and to make sure that Ukraine wouldn't become the bludgeon that NATO could use in the future against Russia. that didn't work. Boris Johnson flew into Kiev and said like, no, no, don't sign anything. Keep going. We're behind you. Just like, let's let's you and him fight all the way to the death. Right. And so that changed the, that changed the calculus. But, you know, if people feel that this is unjustified, they have to try to see it from Russia's point of view because the Russians remember very well how World War II happened. And World War II was pretty much. the invasion of Russia. It wasn't just Germany invading Russia. This was like a coalition,

like a massive coalition of the willing that came together for the Operation Barbarossa and went, they orchestrated the biggest invasion of Russia ever, bigger than Napoleon times, you know, like something like 1.6 million troops, 3,000 tanks, 1,500 airplanes. Absolutely colossal number. The result was that at least 27 million Soviets died, 16 million Russians. Russia was completely devastated. And this was one of the

worst atrocities that ever happened in history. But it wasn't a surprise, right? Germany had been militarizing from, practically from the mid-20s. through the 30s, Hitler's objectives were very clear.

It wasn't a surprise like, oh gosh, you know, who knew? Everybody knew. And when King George V was put to sleep in London in 1936, and he was put to sleep, right? He didn't just die. We know this now. When he was put to sleep, then Stalin sent General Tuchessex. to London in 1936. And General Tukachevsky at that time was the was like the rock star of the of the Red Army.

Like he was like the the biggest name the most right. He was a he was a big week in the Soviet nomenclature. Tukachevsky got together with top military generals of the British army. he presented them what was going on in Germany in great details because the Soviets had very precise intelligence of what was going on in Germany and the pace of militarization and the arms productions and the strategy and the agenda and everything

and he told them, look, Germany is very weak now. They're dangerous but they're weak. it would be we can easily go in there demilitarized Germany denazify Germany and

the British general told him to go pound sand and then Tokachevsky flew over to Paris straight after that and he gave the same presentation to the French

military brass who were all deferring to London everybody was coordinated foreign policy with London and they were all like, yeah, you know, we just had a big war here 20 years ago, 15 years ago. We don't really want to rock the boat. So nobody wanted to do it.

And so this was from the Russian point of view, this would have been the ounce of prevention that would have prevented a pound of destruction down the road. Today, the Russians regard was what has been going on in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, Ukraine since the 2014 coup in exactly the same way, they have a mass scale militarization and Nazification of Ukraine clearly with a view to use Ukraine as a proxy against Russia to weaken it, to drag it into a quagmire to. So again, Russians are like, do we apply an ounce of prevention or do we wait, let it faster and then have a pound of destruction.

So, you know, last December, I know it's, most people don't remember last December, but last December, the Russians gave it a really thorough attempt with diplomacy. They sent, they sent the Biden administration and the NATO each, a very detailed treaty of what Russian security requirements were. and they wanted to diplomatically work it out. And again, the same spiel, you know, Russia, Ukraine cannot join NATO. Ukraine has to be neutral. NATO cannot set these certain ballistic missile sites in Eastern Europe and so on and so forth.

Generally things that if NATO was just a defensive alliance, they could have said, like, cool, we're done with that. You won't attack us. We won't be a threat to you. Let's sign the thing and everybody's happy. They spat in Russia's face and said like, what are you going to do about it? And then the Russians said like, okay, well, we're going to take our military technical measures and now we have what we have. So, you know, anybody who, anybody who regards this is Russia breaking the international laws and international norms and so forth. Russia is playing a very long game. They remember what happened in the 1930s and what happened in World War II, and they won't

have it again. That's their game. That's Putin's agenda. That's his strategy. And I mean, for the West to avoid massive train wreck that we have now, they should have acknowledged and recognized that Russia has very legitimate concern and very serious grievances and sort those concerns across the table rather than by this massive bloodshed that we have now. So it wasn't unprovoked and Russia absolutely has legitimate reasons for doing what they're doing.

Great. No, and this is the this is part, this is a, this is a part, this is, such so hard to get through to people that the status quo ante of 2021 or of 2020 is not was never an acceptable status quo and to then judge this is the argument I've been having with I've been having with you know with with with people for you know almost a year now which is that status quo is not acceptable you can't see you can't just say well this is the way things were you broke this rule therefore you're at fault okay well that's very Western thinking Lavrov just, I just read something from Lavrov yesterday talking about this very thing saying, you know, in the context of negotiations with Ukraine. And like, look, the West has binary thinking. You are either going to, you know, fully comply with what we want or we hate you and we're going to, you know, not talk to you anymore.

We don't argue. We don't work that way. But that's the way the West works. And it doesn't matter what we're talking about with it, you know, when it comes to Russia. It doesn't matter if it's Ukraine, gas prices, coal deliveries, you know, prisoner swaps. It doesn't matter what it is. It is all this.

It's my way or the highway. I have, I've wrapped myself in the moral high ground, and it's very mannequian, black and white, frankly, childish thinking. And the Russians have accused the West of being childish at the diplomatic level now.

So many times I can't count. For the most part, I've tuned almost all of the day-to-day machinations of what's going on out because none of it's going to change because the personnel at the top of the Western governments who are engaged in this stuff, engaged in the other side of this, aren't going to change anytime soon. The Biden administration will still be in charge in the United States. Vondra Leyen and her merry band of fascists will be in charge of the EU. the British haven't changed their foreign policy one whit since the 19th, sorry, the excuse me, the 1860s. And that's the way things are. And now we have a fully aligned, you know,

king on the throne in England, who's aligned with Klaus Schwab, who is the ultimate, you do it my way or you don't do it at all, or you don't get to live. That's the way Klauweb runs the World Economic Forum. Martin Armstrong's made this point publicly. He's like, I've met Klaus. I know people who work for Klaus Schwab.

One of the things about Martin Armstrong is like, you know, you can argue for or against his, computer, Socrates and all that stuff. Ignore, even if you ignore Martin from that perspective and that's you salt Socrates to taste. What's important to understand is that Martin's always in the room with the people who make these decisions. He has advised every major political figure over the last. 40 years. And so his contacts are impeccable. And when he says something like that, you have to listen to it. He's met Koshwam. He knows what he's like. He knows who he runs the World Economic Forum. And he runs it like,

you know, he runs like a tyrant. He's the ultimate control free. And the policies of the World Economic Forum and the people that he's put in place in governments around the world act exactly the way as a proxy for him. So why would you expect anything to change on the diplomatic side? So the Russians have known this. And since there's not going to be a diplomatic solution. And for anybody listening to my voice who said, well, they can just get the hell out of Ukraine. Like, no, they can't. Because as Alex pointed out, they remember the period between 1936 and 1940 very, very well.

Because the British manipulated events in order to get it to the point where they would get figure out a way to get America. Their overgrown colony across the Atlantic, as the MEP from Ireland pointed out to an empty European Parliament the other day. You know, we just have to figure out how to get them involved, you know, in World War II. So then the oil embargo against Japan,

which, you know, and all the hinky stuff that FDR did to create Pearl Harbor, which is ultimately in the end of false flag attack. And, you know, here we are off to the races. but like they're doing the same thing in Ukraine. Yeah. They're doing the exact same playbook, Sean, exact same playbook as what Churchill ran in 1940. Okay.

You guys, I didn't realize we were going to talk about some history here today. So I got a, I got a, I got a, I got to know in your, your thoughts on Russia. Let's stick to Russia, the 1930s, okay? there's this guy named Alexander Solgenitsyn, right? The Guleg archipelago and all the horrendous atrocities that happen in Russia. How does that factor in all this? That paints Russia as pretty much eating itself alive, right? Pulling its best citizens who think independently throwing him in Gulegs,

citizen against citizen, you know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. No one here is, no one here is making it is making an application. for Stalin and for Russia's internal domestic policy, which is horrific. But from a geopolitical perspective, no, no, but wait, we, I just, just, what's just one, to make the point precise, when you're talking about the Gulag of archipelago and the, the horrors that Solzhenitsyn described, you're talking about Soviet Union, you're not talking about Russia. And Soviet Union is the creation, was the creation of the West. Soviet Union wasn't a, in fact, you know, I spoke with Russian intellectuals who say,

it's not that Soviet Union wasn't Russia. Soviet Union was anti-Russia. So what happened in case this is news to somebody, because it's now pretty much. on the record you know there's been there's been a lot of stuff written about this Anthony Sutton has an excellent book about it called Wall Street and the Bolshevik revolution I think something something like that and he shows very conclusively based on all official sources you know declassified materials from the State Department from you know all the all the all Western official sources, so no

conspiracy stuff. Anthony Sutton shows that the Bolshevik Revolution, the coup in 1917, was planned, orchestrated and funded by Wall Street and London bankers.

Trotsky and Lenin, Lenin was a Western agent. He was sent from Switzerland to Russia on the eve of the Bolshevik Revolution same with Trotsky that were sent there with

with suitcases worth of US dollars and not only that but they were able to only basically what you had is an early version of a color revolution you know something similar that happened in Kiev in 2014

same technology same methodology and even at that they could only rest control over St. Petersburg and Moscow. They needed to get control over the whole Trans-Siberian Railway to secure the whole country. There was a whole war after that. And the United States, Britain, Japan, Czechoslovakia, Poland, all sent troops. to fight in Russia and to help the Bolsheviks secure their stranglehold on Russia and to create the Soviet Union. Today, history, the historical narrative is a little bit different.

Now they say, like, oh, yeah, yeah, you know, these troops were sent to help the whites to try to defeat the communists. but in actual reality, everything they did was to defeat the whites and to help the communists. And the communists were completely in cahoots with the Wall Street and the London bankers. And the whole strategy was based on the same thing. You know, like the first thing they did

is they established the one central bank that for the duration of the Soviet Union, you had that one bank that issued currency and held accounts for every Soviet citizen. It was completely a Western creation. So all of the Gulaq experiences and everything that happened was done in coordination with the very top of the Western parasite banking elites. I'm glad that I asked a question because I always conflate, fellows, Soviet Union is Russia, which you were making very clear are not the same things. No, very different things.

Very, very different things. Soviet Union is what we get if we passively acquiesce to what Charles Klaus Schwab has in mind for us. Absolutely. The EU is modeled on the exact same thing. Exactly the same thing. Maybe with a bit more high tech around the edges. But the same exact thing. And, you know, it doesn't reflect the culture of the United States or any European country.

It's just simply high-tech, high-tech totalitarianism. That's what it is. And the Soviet Union was low-tech totalitarianism. But it wasn't Russia. Right. And when we say that, what Alex is pointing out here is something I discussed with Alistair Krook and Matt Erritt and Joaquin Forre is on my podcast

at the beginning of the year when the when the war first broke out as we were getting ready for this I had them all on to discuss the civilizational aspect of this that when this is just to put a finer point on what Alex is talking about to make this distinction China, Russia, Iran

right? These are these are civilizations the Soviet Union is the system, right? The civilization is here and the system is here. We in the West conflate these two because they, because certainly in the North American West we do, because our history is so short that we've only ever lived under really one system. China's thousands of years old. Russia is, you know, at least a thousand years old.

the Iranians are thousands of years, thousands of years old. Their cultural and and civilizational imprint is Iranian first, the system we live under second. So when we're talking about what's going on with China, for example, this is why China, China is eternal. China, this is why China can go from being Maoist to Dengist to now Jiyist, as long as it fits with the long-term, goals or the civilational goals of the people of China, they'll go along with it. When it doesn't, that's when they overthrow the system, bring in a new system, and move on. The Russians are very similar in that respect, and certainly the Iranians are. And this is a hard thing for our foreign policy types and our foreign policy walks to understand. Because we have a particular way of

viewing the world. And we think, we think. think it, since it works the way it does where we are, and that means it must be the way it works everywhere else. This is not to say that, you know, human nature is different for Chinese than it is for Americans or for Europeans. No, everybody reacts to incentives the same way in, you know, in the short term over the high time preference behavior. But in low time preference behavior, and the cultural imprint that exists within these societies, the imperatives are much different. So it's, we can have regulatory capture or an oligarchic mafiosi-style government here in the West and understand it and even go along with it to a greater or lesser extent.

Because that's all we've ever really known. It doesn't matter if we're talking about Rome or the British Empire or the American Congress or, you know, or what, or the Spanish kings or whatever. It doesn't matter. So, and I would even argue that, you know, you probably have the same feeling, you know, if you really push Greeks to this heart, that Greece is a thing. The system that the Greek, that Greeks live under is a different story. And the way, you know, most Greeks view their government at this point, you know, having, you know, I would think that that's, that's a similar analysis could be made. So there's going to be some willingness on the part of these people to, well, you know, go along with whatever crazy ideas are in, you know, happening today because, you know,

50 years from now, it's not going to really matter because we'll have a different system if we need a different system because they do have enough strength of, of character and strength of culture to know, well, this system's not working for us. But what the West always does is to put, especially with the British at the forefront of this, is to put pressure on these civilizations that they want to colonize and take over and force them to into systems that are ab reactions against that pressure. And that's the kind and that's why China has has become so totalitarian. Okay. That's why the Russians may, you know, went the route they did. That's why the Mullahs in Iran are not overthrown. Okay. Because no matter how much pressure you put on, you know, Iran,

Iran is going to, you know, they're going to back whatever system is going to afford them the greatest amount of protection from these rapacious and hyper-aggressive Westerns. And then once that finishes, once that's broken, then they may, you know, that's when we'll see the mullahs overthrown in Iran, for example. And that's when we may see a different, you know, system emerge in China. So, you know, that's the one of the aspects of this that I think is lost in the subtlety of, you know, geopolitical analysis. I think it's important for people to remind themselves up. China is the current Chinese CCP is evil. No one would argue that. But maybe the thing they need at this moment in time to outlast, you know, the evil.

coming from the West. And I hate to put it in those terms because that's not, you know, that is that that's that that that's that's that that's that's that's that that's that's that's that's that's that that's that's that's as valid an analysis as any as any other. Well, okay. So I'm not going to push back against this Tom. I'm just going to challenge it because I'm not sure about what I'm going to say now. But the.

What I gather from Chinese sources, first of all, you know, there's a lot of things that. that we are told are happening in China that are not happening in China at all. Okay. All right. Like this is a social credit system. You know, we've all seen these videos of people walking around the street

and there's these squares around their heads and something's going on and it was like, oh my God, you know, like they have this social credit system and then they, and then they show people with the telephones and then it turns red or it turns red green and then they go and this is all this evil control system. Except every single.

source from China that I consulted said, this doesn't even exist. Where do people get that? It doesn't even exist. Nobody in China is aware of this Chinese social credit system, right? Second of all, you know, to call something evil, you know, I like to go back to the, you know, the biblical injunctions, you will know them by their fruits. So yes, you have like an authoritarian or maybe even totalitarian government system, but are they evil? They raised like, what, 800 million people out of poverty over the last 40 years? You know, I think that we have to appreciate that the Chinese leadership is playing on Team China. They are doing what they feel is best long term for the interest of the Chinese people or the Chinese nation.

Right. We've seen that they've built 20,000. kilometers of high speed rail networks. They are plowing massive amounts of money into infrastructure. A lot of this is malinvestment, but a lot of it is really cool stuff. So, you know, China went from being like one of the, one of the world's poorest countries as recently as 1980s, like literally one of the world's poorest countries. to now being a global superpower.

And this all happened under Dang Jiu Ping and Xi Jinping, right? Alex, all I'm going to say is, and yeah, no, I'm not, I won't even disagree with you about any of that at all. What I'll tell you is I really do believe that that's a that a lot of that,

that a lot of that is a consequence of the hollowing out of the West through ruinous central bank policy, ruinous zero bound interest rate policy. And the Chinese were allowed to run a mercantiless empire for 20 or 25 years longer than they even expected to be able to do so. This is a, you know, and I'm not, yeah, no, so absolutely they, they, yeah, is there a lot of malinvestment? Yes.

Is there, remember, Alex, I'm a hardcore libertarian. Like, all governments are either. Like, you know what I mean? Like at a fundamental level, you know, when I use that term, I'm not, you know, and I was when I was using it in a way to work with, even if you do believe that China is evil, everything you just said is correct. And if the Chinese government, in, you know, many ways not laudable, but in other ways is extremely laudable. And it's not for me to judge whether or not they did it right or wrong. This is the big thing.

I think everybody in the West needs to get. over their fucking high horse about. Like, get off that high horse. Thank you. Yeah. You know, the reason why I think it's very important to, to kind of be precise about these things is because usually, you know, the campaign of demonization always precedes worse things.

You know, you always have a campaign of demonization because when you're, when you're warming up the population for a military confrontation. And I think that at this point, in time, when all these rotten structures in the West are falling in on themselves, the thing that would be the savior for Western ruling establishment would be a big war with China. And nobody even dreams that they had a chance to win it, but it would be so handy to justify all kinds of clampdowns domestically to do away with all freedom of speech, to do away with all political dissent, to do away with unfunded liabilities to just say like, hey, we're at war, guess what,

your pension's gone, your health care is gone, everything's gone, it's the fault of the Chinese and we have to go and kill them. So it allows it allows the ruling establishment to, clamp down on civil liberties in an extreme way, it's like, it's like that, it will be that kind of an emergency. It would justify any kind of anything. So you would, you would suddenly find yourself in, in, in, in the Soviet Union again. And so this, this is why I want to be very careful when, you know, the word evil is even used because, you know, the Chinese are a count, The Chinese leadership is accountable to the Chinese. And if they do things that are adversarial to the West, well, that's our problem.

You know, like it's like a business relationship. You know, maybe you want to sell me a brick for a thousand bucks. But if I need a brick, I'm not going to give you a thousand bucks and say Tom Longo is evil. I'm just going to say, dude, a brick should cost 10 cents. How about I give you 15 cents and then you should be happy? You know, I stand for my interest, you stand for your interest, and we have to meet somewhere in the middle where, you know, we can be at peace at whatever deal is being done. But it was the Western political elites and banking elites who have even allowed China into the World Trade Organization, most favored trading nation status. Of course.

They've allowed them to blatantly manipulate their currency to make themselves the most competitive exporting, giant in the world. All of this was done by people like George Soros, Henry Kissinger, you know, the older Bush and all of these people deliberately. Yes, they've done deliberately. Because they thought they were going to be accident because they knew that we're going to, they knew that we're going to kill the host, the United States, and they needed a new host. The empire needed a new host and the new global cop. So they built up Russia. And now they're throwing a tantrum because, no, they built up China. they're throwing a tantrum because China has its own ideas about what it wants to do with the

with the power and wealth that they got. I'd go one step further, Alex, and say that they did it deliberately on the hope that they would be able to build the same regulatory capture, oligarch run. We control the money, therefore we control the government system that we have here in the West. They bully excited that to happen. And Xi took one look at that and went, no. And then I've talked about things like Evergrand blowing out. Trump, Archigos Capital, I think FTX, and so many of the other systems were built in recent years in order to get their money in there, then use that to destabilize the country from within, to gain political power, to gain corruptive, to gain the control of the bureaucratic state, and then neuter, and neuter basically the CCP and the Politburo. I get it. Like I and guess what?

Exactly. Exactly. And guess what? G turned around and went, you know what? Your money's not good and you're last in line and we're now we're going to purposefully destroy all of these systems that you invested these companies that you invested in and you think are so powerful. Yeah. Now they're worth nothing. What happened to Evergrand now is what I think the Fed's doing, the black rock by the way.

Oh, okay. Okay. Like that's how big I think, you know, this is where I think is, this is what I think is going on. you know, at a, at a fundamental level that we're seeing a pushback against these people. It does multi-vector. It's not just the Russians turning around and nationalizing. Why do they hate Putin? He nationalized Ucos. He nationalized all these. You know, he put in jail all of their pet oligarchs that they put in place in the in the 90s in order to run the same thing there. Guess what? All those people were either thrown in jail,

had their wealth stripped of them, you know, their teeth pulled out and and all of their and all of their their journalist assets thrown in jail. Those journalists were all CIA and MI6. Like, stop it. And all that we ever do here is just sit here and virtue signal about how terrible these people are because they have control of the megaphone. And what people really need to wrap their heads around is that we have been lied to about all of this at every fucking level.

And so no, I fully. understand what G's doing. Like I, you know, when he put out his common prosperity platform, a year and a half ago, and I read the planks of it. I'm like, oh, the guy who's going to hate this more than anybody else on the planet is Soros. And lo and behold, three months later, like, you know, this was three months after Evergrand. I'm like, oh, yeah, no wonder Soros is considered Xi the devil. Because Soros probably had billions of dollars stuffed in Evergrand. Like, and companies like it. And now we can't get that money out. And that money's trapped and he has no political power.

When we talk free speech, guys, you know, one of the things that's, you know, really top of mind right now is Elon Musk and Twitter. Yep. I mean, just this week, you know, they're talking about Apple pulling Twitter from its app store and different things like that. I mean, Elon Musk, every single day, it seems like, is maybe one of the funnest men to follow on the planet for what he puts out on on his platform now which i mean obviously is driving attention to his own business but uh people say that wasn't part of the plan having

uh twitter go back to free speech opening up everything else do you see it the same way yeah i think i think musk taking over twitter is part of the counter revolution i think that I know Alex, you know, at the, Alex and I have debated this back and forth about the Fed and the New York banks and how I think that they're at odds with what Koshwab is doing because their incentives line up with this. And, you know, I know, Alex, you're not, you're not fully on board with the way I see this. But every day, I see yet another moment where the third rail is blown, you know, were previously taboo subjects and now all of a sudden allowed to be talked about. I just wrote an article yesterday about George Maloney and the and her and the, and the. And, and the. And, and the. And. And, and. And, and. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. that three-year-old video of her talking about the colonial Frank used to West Africa. Right? Now, how does that, like, that was three years old. Oh, I thought that was recent. Yeah, everybody thought it was recent.

It's not it's three years old. But so now ask yourself the question, how does that fucking thing go viral like this? Who puts that out there? Who allows that to escape containment that way? How did she, how did she, how did she become the prime minister? after she clearly engaged in the blatant thought crime. Because they couldn't stop her. Tom,

can you fill me in? Can you both, can you fill me in on what heck you're talking about? I feel like I'm drowning right now. So this one's a big, this is a big one. So, Sean,

I'm going to blow your mind here. There were 14 countries in West Africa that don't have their own currency. That they have a currency. it's called the colonial Frank, or some other, you know, uselessly technocratic term for it, that is printed by the French, is pegged to the euro, and all of these countries have the European central banks have to take their monetary policy. So whatever the European Central Bank decides is the interest rate, this is a colonial currency that this is no different

than what they've this is the whole of this is anachronism from the 19th century for Christ's sake and it exists exist here in the 21st century and France no one was ever allowed to talk about this thing nobody even knew even knew about this thing like I mean it was crazy I didn't know about it and I'm one of the most I consider myself one of the most geopolitically informed people on the planet and when this thing like hit and we all thought and so there was a video of George Maloney the new prime minister of Italy talking about, oh, you know, during the migrant row that was going on back and forth, all of a sudden she holds up this, you know, see what this is? This is a colonial frank note that the French impose on 14 West African nations former colonies of theirs.

Well, I use the term former very loosely because they still control their monetary policy. They're still effectively colonies. So France still has a 14 colony network in North Africa. Okay. And the Eurozone isn't in 19. countries in Europe, it's actually 33 countries, because you've got 14 other countries that are all pegged to the Europe. Like, it's crazy. And these African countries get to sell their exports in the French colonial franc. They get paid in French colonial franc.

And 50% of the value of their exports ends up in the French treasury. Yeah. So that's the relationship. And then it's it's beyond it's beyond ridiculous. And so what happens? Maloney turns around and denies France one boatload of like 237 migrants around, I don't know, Morocco or Algeria, you know, and everybody loses their minds. She's an evil fascist and she's an human and blah, blah, blah. She's like, oh, he just took 60,000 of these people last year. We're not taking these 200. France can take these 200. Shut up. And then the French turn around, call her and,

enemy of of of of a of a France literally the French foreign minister calls Italy an enemy of France they play this game and it's all but set up they're all trying to they're trying to run the PR campaigns so when they get into budget talks with her that she turns that you know that a public opinion is against her she turns around and somehow this three-year-old video of her blowing open what is literally the third rail of European politics we never talk about the Neil Frank. No one. That's just that's just not done. And she did it three years ago. And now this thing has gone viral and it's everywhere. And Lamond and the BBC and Sky News and and de Velt and even I think even the the financial times all had to debunk her claims about it in a pure like cover thine ass moment. Because all of a sudden, the French, like, why is the French, why are they doing this? Like, it's, all it does is it continues to speak to, in my mind, the fact that Maloney has very, very powerful people

helping her survive the mafia in Rome, the political mafia in Rome, and the only people with that kind of power are the New York banks and the Federal Reserve. And what I would consider patriots within the U.S. Department of Defense, the U.S. military establishment. Because remember, as my friends over at Mitt Del Chino, who are a bunch of Italian guys, remind me, what country has hosts more American bases in Europe than any other? It's not Germany. It's not Poland. It's Italy.

The French have designs on invading northern Italy and taking parts of Italy over France. from and there's there's a lot going on here where there's you know there's french military guys in you know in italian police uniforms running around in northern italy like this this it's just real like the the european union is not in any way matter shape or form unified and the and the need here is to completely neuter italy so that france and germany can run the table because they need to as Alex pointed out earlier complete the political and economic

integration of Europe and do away with national all forms of national sovereignty and the euro was always designed to do that so understand that the euro was designed to benefit Germany at the expense of everybody else oh and by the way Tom just just for the record I actually am on

with your analysis. I'm, you know, like, the only, the only thing that I'm, I'm not at ease with, and that's nothing to do with your analysis is because we're beyond the realm of, of economics and monetary policy, you know, like, we are, this all goes, overflows into, into geopolitics, into, into, into these, these global allegiances, not even between nations, but within the groups within nations that are like smeared all over the place. And so we have to guess. Yes.

And what's going on. Alex, I was just giving the opportunity. Of all the guests that I'm aware of, I'm on board with yours the most. Yeah, no, I, and I appreciate that. I just wanted to give you the opportunity to, you know, to allow yourself to, you know, whatever healthy separation you want on this on this topic because i know this because i mean it's fine and i don't i don't have any

problem with us disagreeing at the margins about any of this stuff the disagreement is healthy and respectful in every and any whatever disagreements there are it's it's purely healthy and respectful i like don't ever ever take it any other way i you know you're one of you're one of the you're one of the few people on this planet who i whose opinions on all of these things i take it you know i take at face value. And, you know, mutual appreciation society here. I expect pushback. And I want pushback from people like yourself, my partner, Dexter White and a few others who,

you know, I expect that. I want it. Because if we don't do that, then I just become like an echo chamber. And I don't, I don't want that either. Iron, iron sharpens iron. And I tell you what, boys, as you can tell us, I sit here and I've said five words this entire time, you know, like, I'm enthralled with this discussion. It's been very, very interesting.

And I think both sides, you compliment each other. So well, I think that's why the audience enjoys having, always requesting you to come back on the show. Sure. You know, we got a little bit of time left. And what I did was I put it out on Twitter. So I'm going to throw it to you. Like, I hate to bring up a subject because I'm like, well, there goes the rest of the time and I'm not going to get through. You know, there's all these different things.

So I'm going to throw it to you guys on what you want to talk about here for like the last, you know, 15, 20 minutes. Okay. You got the protests in Brazil. you got midterm elections in the United States. You got energy in Europe. And then I just had Basel 3, banking Basel 3. So, yeah, I can't even say it. So there's the four.

Do you want to talk about money? Do you want to talk about protests? You want to talk about elections. Do you want to talk about energy? You got to give me some direction here because I, you know, when we start. It's really simple, Sean. They're all the same thing. well Alex you go ahead

you decide which one we're going to talk about and we'll go from that well okay I just wanted to mention two things because Sean opened the discussion about Twitter and then we got sidelined again but you know regarding Twitter I'm just like I love what's going on

I'm only worried that Twitter doesn't suffer the same as parlor that's that's my did we lose Alex we can't hear you he's saying time out gotcha all right

there's a clear I'll pick up well Alex works it out sure the the the situation with Twitter is very clear that

because Musk has taken over one of their major control systems that they're not happy and there is a multi-pronged

attempt at attacking Musk and Twitter and trying to take it out. And it's coming from almost every angle. The thing with Apple threatening, or at least Musk coming out and saying that Apple's threatening to take it out of the app out of the app store, that's interesting. I don't know who's the bigger, who's bigger at this point, Twitter or Apple. I would assume Apple, but I got news for you. Apple might find themselves, you know, in, you know, losing people's good graces if, you know, if they take Twitter down. Because look, like it or not, Twitter is only becoming more popular now that it's, we're getting the vestiges of free speech being restored.

So they have to go, they have to put the full court press on. And moments like this, whenever they lose a battle, they always put the full. court press on the next six to eight weeks. It's always a shock and all campaign with these people. They know that they have to like, they have a limited time frame for this to be deep in everybody's head in terms of the Overton window and then they're going to move on. And so this has to, they have to like put the full court press on that they've destroyed Twitter. And that's why they put the pressure on the, the advertisers and all these companies and everything else. I don't know that it'll work because, you know, and it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,

a big, it's a big deal. I was, I'm going to give you a, I don't know, it's, it, there's a lot going on there. I was just, I just got some, some, some notes this morning about the, the potential rivalry between Apple and Tesla and because there's always the theory that Apple is going to build a car at some point. And so if Musk's baby is still Tesla and not Twitter and not SpaceX or anything else, then this rivalry between Apple and Twitter and Musk may actually be about Tesla more than it is about anything else. But that's very early days. I'm just kind of throwing it out there. And we'll talk about that. And I'll put more color on that as time goes along. And we see what happens here. Alex, do we got you back now? Do you hear me? Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you.

My apologies. I had a call. I'm using my, I'm using my phone to on this. call. And then when somebody calls me, Zoom just like, mutes me completely, and I remain muted for as long as my phone is ringing. But I use my phone anyway because the camera and the microphone are much better than on my PC. So I, whatever. I'm sorry about that. But, you know, another extremely interesting thing that happened, which is unrelated to Twitter, is that last Saturday on the on 19th November there was a trilateral commission meeting in Tokyo. I know if you guys know about this. Yeah it was a it's an amazing thing so it was the first trilateral commission meeting since the pandemic. It was held in Tokyo the especially with the Asia group but the

Americans were also present Ram Emanuel you know with the delegate and the amazing thing is that for the first time ever, they allowed press into their Asia group deliberations. And the only condition was that they can report on the deliberation, but without attributing statements to the who said it. So they could say, like, a delegate from the Philippines said this, and the delegate from the Japan said that, well, basically, what comes out is that, and, you know, for people who don't know what trilateral commission is. It was co-founded by David Rockefeller and Zbignor in 1973. So we're going on 50 years. This is the most powerful think tank in the world, but, you know, they have a revolving doors between, you know, your own trilateral commission and then

you're supposed to give up your official position in government. But then when you're done at the Trilateral Commission, you go back into the government. So, you know, people like Greenspan and Paul Volcker and, you know, people like that were part of the trilateral commission. And trilateral commission is the expression of the Western Empire's very architecture, right? Because it was, this is something that was already expressed in 1938 by one of the persons in the British foreign establishment cabal, Lord Halifax. Yes. who said that the you know they envisioned the future of the empire as as a combination of three blocks where you know germany was being built up to be in control of central and southeastern europe

britain in a alliance with the united states would dominate the north atlantic alliance and then the Eastern Dominions would be controlled in alliance with Japan. So for the last 50 years, the Trilateral Commission has been one of the main drivers of global geopolitics. And so this was always secretive, so that, you know, they would give press releases, that would give these very highly sanitized press conferences. But what was being discussed by the members was secret. And this time, the Japanese organizers allowed the press in, and it's a mess. Everybody was on the American's case.

They were like, you're pushing us into a big confrontation. with China. Nobody wants this. The guy from the Philippines, a guy from the Philippines, they didn't name him, said that when two elephants fight to the death, we're all going to be dead. We don't want this. So it was a pretty big event because it turns out that, you know, like the empire is rapidly losing the vassals willing to fight for its ends. It's coming a art. So yeah, I just wanted to... That's the best news I've heard in a long time, Alex. Sorry? That's the best news I've heard in a long time.

Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. I don't know where to find it. And it's somewhere... Well, I'll write a little substack about it. If not today, then tomorrow. Sounds good. Pretty big. Before we lost you, Alex, you were talking about Twitter, and you wanted a thought on Twitter before we moved on. Do you recall what you were thinking about Elon Musk

and what Twitter was talking about? Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I just wanted to say that my concern is that Twitter ends up sharing the same faith as Parlor. Right. Because Parlor emerged at some point during the Trump administration.

I joined. It was pretty cool. It was lively. Great debate. Great source of news. and then they destroyed it. And same thing, you know, Google removed it from its Play Store, Apple from its app store. Same, you know, like same usual suspects clamped down and pretty much destroyed Parlor.

So I'm just a little bit concerned that they might have the same plans for Twitter. And I think it's absolutely abominable that a corporation like Apple would actually be fighting against freedom of speech. And I cannot even believe that there's such a large body of journalists and people in the media who are clamoring for control over free speech. Like I grew up in the communist world, right? And I came to the United States when I was 17. That was in 1987. And free speech was this sacrosan sacrosan thing. It was a like a it was like the most important part of the western culture is that even if I disagree with somebody they have the right to say what they have to say and then I'll make up my mind

whether I buy it or I don't buy it and now it's all been turned upside down and people who fight for free speech are now labeled free speech absolutist and all all the normies, the educated intellectuals, have now become very concerned about how dangerous freedom of speech is. I think the whole thing is absolutely insane and abominable. And I think it's, you know, I don't know who it was, was it Ayn Rand or somebody like that who said, like, the day you lose free speech, the only next option is civil war and bloodshed. So the day you lose free speech, you practically baked in revolution or civil war or some other form of bloodshed. So I think this is the hill everybody needs to be prepared to die on. And I don't know if Twitter can be salvaged.

I don't know if they're going to try to destroy it. But the corporations like Apple should be punished. And I think that everybody who is planning to buy an Apple product should reach. think it because you're actually, you know, funding the people who are, uh, great. Your enemies. I agree. It's, it's, it's very dangerous. I don't like what apples.

I don't like this. Um, I don't like where that's going at all. And I, I, you know, but we have a duopoly between Apple and Google in, in the phone space. Yeah. And, uh, you know, they, and it was, and if you don't think it was designed, it was designed. that way on purpose. You're, you know, you're out of your mind. And I go back to the, I go back to the missteps that Microsoft made, you know,

eight, nine, ten years ago in the phone space. And I go, oh, huh, I wonder why that was, why that happened. Because, you know, Microsoft's inability to leverage itself in the phone space couldn't have been just sheer incompetence. Yeah. Yeah. I entirely agree. I entirely agree.

That was, there was, there's something else going on there. The roles, the roles were assigned. Yes. The roles were, the roles were assigned.

It was like two operating systems, two providers, boom, see up. You're either an Apple guy or Google guy. There's no room for anybody else. Well, boys,

I could, you know, I, to be respectful of Alex's time, he was the man who, put the the cap on us. I want to be respectful of that. Before, you know, we sit and talk for a few more, because I sit here and you both know by now,

I can sit and like, this is highly, highly entertaining. And you push my brain to go at the speed of light sometimes. But before it let you off, is there any other things that are top of mind here with a couple of minutes remaining that you think the listener needs to know about, you know, the going ons of the world. I know that's a pretty open-ended question. But what is Tom staring at? What is Alex staring at before I let you go? We're going to know a lot about the state of the, what I'm calling the count, when I'm framing as the counter revolution in the United States, we're going to know a lot with the next FOMC meeting. I think it all comes down to the position

that Powell's in and how much he can, how much he and the New York banks that are on his side or that are supporting him, how much power he actually has post midterms, how that is, how that plays out. If he continues to push the interest rate regime as hard as he has been, I don't know that he's going to go 75. The market is finally starting to give me signs that, yeah, we're probably going to see 50 in December, maybe another 50 in January. We'll see.

The three-month LIBOR market is starting to tell us that, yeah, we're going to get a slowdown in the pace of rate hikes. But reality is that in order to slow down, if not reverse what we're seeing, we have to pull all the leverage out of the system. And all the leverage out of all the systems. And I think that FTX is a part of that discussion. We never even got into all about today. Obviously, Alex and I are going to need to come back on and discuss this stuff, maybe sometimes towards the end of the year after, you know, during the Christmas break or whatever, without that I ever take a day off. But you know what I mean? Because I think that that is the key to all of this.

If the Fed continues to pull back on liquidity, shrink its balance sheet, shrink M2, it has the ability now with this huge move in long-term rates to this. to the downside, meaning it's a big run in U.S. Treasuries. This is only giving Powell every opportunity here to shrink the balance sheet at its maximal rate because he can now sell into strength. U.S. 10 and 30 years, 20 years, seven years, all that stuff that he owns, that the Fed owns the lion's share up, thanks to Bernanke and Yellen and Operation Twist and Operation Twist, too. I think that creates a very, very interesting moment where if he can finally get it through a majority of the players' heads that the Fed put is not coming back, that changes everything

about everything we think we've known about foreign policy, geopolitics, and all of it for the last 50 years. Because since even going back to Greenspan, the system has been designed to to have the Fed become the Central Bank of the world, destroy its credibility, and then move the Fed, and then move the Fed out, and move us into either towards, you know, the IMF or the Bank of International Settlements

being the Central Bank of the world and the Fed just being one of them. This is a very important point, because it has, we are in a moment where de-dollarization is accelerating, the Fed has to, to pull back on offshore dollar liquidity. Otherwise, the dollar is toast. The dollar is toast anyway, but the question is, is it going to be the last one to die? Clearly, the globalists who have

architected all this stuff, want the dollar to fall first and have it be replaced with, and they've also destroyed the euro. So clearly they want to move into a different monetary regime. And use, as Alex pointed out earlier, use the cover of war with China or war with this, or war with whomever in order to use in order to, as Rahm Emanuel puts it, never let a crisis go to waste. So we lament a crisis and then we push forward. And if the Fed is doing that collapse on their time schedule, on its time schedule, as opposed to Klaus Schwab's time schedule, similar to the way Putin up the tempo in Ukraine by going first and ripping the band-aid off and moving into Ukraine before they were ready, that changed everything.

And it left and it forced everything wide open. Again, just like Sputnik 5, they were expecting the vaccine roll out to be on their schedule. Putin moved it up in time by putting out Sputnik 5 and then releasing it to the world, basically free of charge. So I'm not going to, I'm not assuming here that there's any kind of coordination between what's going on on Wall Street and in the Marinerichael's building. and what's happening in the Kremlin, but there's an awful lot of smoke. But everybody's incentives align

that they would be acting to stop what's happening. And I think that Europe is the sick man at the table, and they're fronting better cards in a, the way I like to put it is that this is a game of Texas hold them. They're fronting that they've got aces against people who actually are holding aces. Alex, any final thoughts? Yeah, well, I think that,

You know, everything that Tom just said is absolutely on point. And from my side, I have to admit that I'm mesmerized because there's so much stuff going down. I feel that we're coming close to an inflection point where developments that are already like going at breathtaking pace are going to accelerate. You know, the EU is coming apart as we're speaking. Britain is in a massive amount of trouble, bigger than we know, I think. And Ukraine, I think, is hanging by a thread, and I think it's very close to snapping. Poland is in a massive trouble. Their economy is coming unglued.

They're about to get swamped by, what did they say, up to 8 million refugees from Ukraine are going to Poland, to Germany, to you know, it's a and already, you know, we had the, we had, I think in, in August, they leaked,

they leaked an intelligence report from Germany. They already, the German townships and counties were on verge of rebellion because they could not cope with the refugees that they already have and they got more coming. So Europe's going to be a mess.

Ukraine's about to fall. It's going to be extremely interesting. So, guys, this was a great pleasure. Next time we connect, I bet you it's going to be even a lot more to discuss. Well, as I told you last time, we'll plan for a month from the day and try and get your boys back on. And we'll see, you know, it hasn't been quite a month. And there's been so much going on. I appreciate you guys giving me time today and doing what you do.

It's fascinating sitting here to listen to you to go back and forth. Either way, fellas, appreciate you giving me some time and we'll catch you up here in a month in a month, right around Christmas, I suppose. Great pleasure, guys. Thank you. Thank you, Sean. And until the next happy occasion. Yep. Absolutely.

Be well.