Shaun Newman Podcast - #352 - Dr. Eric Payne & Dr. William Makis

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

Eric is a Pediatric Neurologist at the Alberta Children's Hospital in Calgary. William is a Nuclear Medicine Physician who was formerly employed by the Cross Cancer Institute in Edmonton.  We discuss Premier Smith, AHS, Bill 36 in BC & masking kids. Eric enters the show at the 12 minute mark.  Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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I'm talking about Dr. Eric Payne and Dr. William Macchus. So buckle up. Here we go. This is Dr. Eric Payne. This is Dr. William Macchus, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Dr. William Macchus. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on.

Thank you, Sean. You know, it's been, it seems like never an end of new things going on. And, I mean, I go back. This will be episode 352, I want to say. and you were first on the show episode 13. So, you know, a pretty good chunk of time ago. And yet, in that time, more and more and more things just keep coming up. So I guess for the listener, I want to get a feel for who William is.

Go back to episode 313. You get a feel, we're pretty in depth on a bunch of different things of your career. But if I pull us up to date, where we're sitting, you know, today, one of the things that I saw, you know, was Ontario College of Physicians. And I thought I would start there and see where we go, William, and have at it. Sure thing. Well, the Ontario College put out a recommendation to doctors. It's on their website under Physician Advisory Services.

And someone noticed this a couple of months ago that, There seems to be a suggestion that Ontario physicians, that they should be concerned about unvaccinated patients or patients who do not want any more COVID-19 vaccines. And this is the recommendation. I want to read it off their website because the language is very, very interesting, the language that they use. They say, quote, it is also important that physicians work with their patients

to manage anxieties related to the vaccine and not enable avoidance behavior. In cases of serious concern, responsible use of prescription medications and or referral to psychotherapy are available options. Overall, physicians have a responsibility to allow their patients to be properly informed about vaccines and not have those anxieties empowered by an exemption, end quote. And this really caused a stir because you can see from the language, they talk about things like avoidance behavior. So if you don't want the latest MRNA vaccine experiment, now you're engaging in avoidance behavior, right? I mean, this is like they're saying this is pathological, avoidance behavior. And then they talk about not having those anxieties empowered by

an exemption so they don't want you to have an exemption. They're saying you have anxieties about the vaccine, you're engaging in avoidance behavior, and they do not want to give you an exemption. Instead, they want to medicate you. And this has caused an outcry online. I talked about this with Laura Lynn Tyler Thompson in an interview we did in Grand Prairie. And the clip of that interview went viral. I think it had about 2 million views, and it showed up in the U.S. as well, where people are just horrified that the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario would be giving this kind of advice to Ontario doctors and engaging in this kind of language, labeling people who don't want the vaccine, the COVID vaccine, as having anxieties or even needing

psychiatric medication or psychotherapy. I want to make sure, I can't wrap my head around that. I think it makes zero sense. But are we talking, are they trying to say all vaccines, it doesn't say specifically COVID vaccine, or how do you take it, William? It is under the section COVID-19 FAQs for physicians. So it's only the COVID-19 vaccine.

They are specifically referring to the COVID-19 vaccine. Yeah. Why would they do that? Don't they realize they're going to get caught in that or they're not worried about it? Or they think nobody's looking. I think they probably thought no one was looking. People did catch on. And so what they did was on October 5th, 2022, they went back and they changed the language ever so slightly.

And they added in a line about an example of people having fear of needles and that those people should be considered for psychiatric medication or psychotherapy. So now they have an excuse, they have plausible deniability that, well, they really meant people who have fear of needles or extreme anxiety, but they had to add this additional sentence to try to make it look okay, that they weren't targeting all unvaccinated individuals. And, you know, this is what I've been attacked on, and fact checkers have actually come after me trying to smear me for pointing this out. And they, you know, they always refer to the new version of the document

where they'll say, well, look, the college was only talking about people who had fear of needles and you're lying, you're misrepresenting. But the original document was very clear. They said anybody who had any kind of anxiety or reservations about the vaccine. And now that's a very broad statement. That can include anybody, really. If I say that, you know what, I have concerns about myocarditis or blood clots and I don't want the vaccine, then they'll say, well, you have anxieties. You need psychiatric medication.

Maybe we'll refer you to psychotherapy, right? So their initial statement was very, very broad. And knowing what we know, I think, I feel like knowing what we know, I feel like that should be a general statement, maybe not, about vaccine everything at this point. I feel like I can just say everything. To have that end on any website seems insane. It does. But again, if you look at the language, you know, avoidance behavior, right? I mean, that is, that is like you're labeling people, avoidance behavior.

Like, you know, everyone should have the right to not want the vaccine or to not want to take it. They shouldn't be labeled as having avoidance behavior, right? It feels like a very rational term for it too. You know, avoidance behavior. Well, it looks, you know, it looks very medical. It looks very scientific. They try to make it look legitimate, right? But what it really is is it's a very unethical statement.

It hides very unethical concepts. And they're just trying to, you know, hide it in medical language and scientific. scientific language. But I think the intent is pretty clear. Well, you know, it's funny, you go from Ontario. So we're talking about Ontario College of Physician. And you take that and go all the way to the opposite side, go to BC. You get Bill 36. And my phone line or text line for the podcast has been blown up about this. And I think you understand it probably better than I ever well, but it's basically a vaccine policy for doctors and nurses, correct? Well, that's part of it.

So I've looked at Bill 36, and it is quite long. And what I've seen where there were sections that are very, very concerning to me, one of the sections, and I really want to explain it very clearly so that people understand, is there is a mandatory vaccination policy that they've put in there for doctors, for nurses, for other healthcare workers that are covered by the various colleges in BC. And they say that you need to have mandatory vaccinations that the college assigns to you as a condition of having your license. So as a condition of having your medical license or your nursing license,

they will make it mandatory for you to take vaccinations. Now it's assumed that COVID vaccinations are part of this mandate. But if you think about it, this has not been done in any other province. The vaccine mandates that came out last year were being pursued either by individual hospitals. So an individual hospital could mandate COVID-19 vaccination as part of their employment requirements. Or like in Alberta, it was mandated by Alberta Health Services, the Health Authority, which we have only one health authority. So effectively, it was mandated throughout the entire province.

it was never made a condition of your license, your medical license. So if you don't like the mandate, you could leave, go to another province and practice perfectly fine, you know, with a different license. But what they will do now is because they make it mandatory as a condition of your license, if you refuse, they will put that on your record as, let's say, unprofessional conduct, and now your license is damaged. Now your ability to get a medical license in other provinces or in the United States is severely impaired. So what they're really doing is, is now is that they're punishing doctors who will not submit to mandatory vaccinations. They can punish them now by damaging or destroying their license, their medical license or their

nursing license. So you're saying that by the way this is implemented, if you don't go along and leave, it's a tarnish on your license? Am I hearing that right? Exactly. It will be, because when they make things conditional on you having, your license. If you don't meet those conditions, they will put that on your record. And now it'll be on your, on your license record in British Columbia. Now that goes with you everywhere, anywhere else

you go in Canada or in the world. So let's say you refuse mandatory vaccination. They put it on your record. Now you try to go and practice in the United States. You apply for a hospital in Texas, let's say. Well, Texas will say, well, we need to see your record of professional. standing from British Columbia. So they contact British Columbia and British Columbia says, no, this is an unprofessional doctor who refused mandatory vaccination. And now it's a tarnish on your record. And then the Texas hospital might say, well, you're not a good, you're not a doctor and good professional standing. We can't hire you. So you see what I mean. It really, it now damages the doctor's ability to practice medicine anywhere else. And this is what makes it

so draconian, is that it hasn't been done anywhere else in Canada up to now, and BC is the first one pushing it through with Bill 36. It's like a power or control move. That's terrifying, I assume, for doctors. And, you know, speaking of doctors, I see a guy who just slid in the room with us, William, and we'll add in Dr. Eric Payne, who joins us. He finally got his computer work, and it seems. Thanks for, thanks for hot on, Eric.

Yeah, no, thanks for having me. Nice to be with you guys and to chat with Dr. Macchus as well. For listeners, if you're looking more on Mr. Eric Payne, go to episode 207 or 252. We were just talking about, well, we've done a little bit of a gamut, haven't we, William? We started with, you know, the Ontario College. Ontario College, if you're not taking the vaccine in, well, they were suggesting psychiatric medication for unvaccinated patients. and then we were just finishing up on the other side of the country, Bill 36 and BC talking about, you know,

if doctors or nurses aren't going to go along with, you know, vaccinations that they can really tarnish their license and their ability to move about the provinces or even countries, as William was sharing. Yeah, I mean, the BC rule is just mind-boggling because, you know, they are sitting on data that they took down about six weeks, eight weeks ago, and I've got it in my expert opinions, where the triple vaxed in BC were proportionally more likely to die of COVID, with or from COVID. And that fact is also

in the Calgary and the Alberta data. It's in the Manitoba data. It's in the Ontario data. It's in the Nova Scotia data. It's in Scandinavia. We've seen it other where, you know, that over time there's going to be this negative efficacy. When Alberta took it off their website in June, 60%, 60%, 60% of the patients you died with her from COVID, we're triple-vaxed, and we had 38% uptake on the shot at the time. We still do. Nobody's gone beyond 40%. So you're going to force your health care workers who are already been pushed to the limit. You've lost thousands of them who walked out of the job when you brought in the vaccine mandate

last year. I mean, there was like 6,000 on the insurer BC that walked away. So you're already short-changed in terms of your human resources, and you're going to force people to take a shot that makes them more likely to die with or from the disease. are supposed to be getting protected from. Right? And they don't have an answer to this because if they did, they would speak to it and they wouldn't have taken these things off their own websites, right?

But that's the data. You know, the data is you're more likely to die from the virus if you take three or four shots. So on what planet do you give this to your entire health force, healthcare workforce, right? You're setting yourself up for just an incredible blowup. And, you know, Alberta may stand to benefit from that because we seem to have a premier who respects, you know, informed consent. and sees the discrimination that's taken place with respect to COVID and the vaccine.

I can imagine that there will be thousands of BC workers who would love to come work in Alberta if this thing does go through. You bring up Danielle Smith. What have you guys thought, you know, you both have had your dealings with AHS? What is your thoughts on what she's done here? What are we at? We're December. So the last couple months, what are your thoughts on her moves, you know,

removing the entire board, you know, appointing Mark Joffey, I hope I'm saying that, right, as the new head, you know, that type of thing. You got, oh, guys, I'm spacing on the name. Who's the guy they have now as the top guy kind of internal looking? John Cowell. Thank you. What have been your thoughts on that? I mean, if you read the opinion pieces, you know, they pretty much slice and dice and try an attacker every which way. she's a conspiracy theorist, yada, yada, yada.

But I'm curious, two guys who've been in and around the system, what is your thoughts? Go ahead, William. Yeah, sure, William. We'll start with you. Okay, no problem. I think she's had very little time to take on something as big and complex as AHS. What she has done by firing the AHS board and replacing it with a single administrator who answers to her is she's gotten very quick, access to the leadership structure and the organizational structure of

AHS, which I think is a great thing. I think that's a necessary step. The board didn't have much power, the H.S board. It was basically served as a rubber stamp for the previous government, certainly under Rachel Knottley, who constituted the board in 2015. The board acted as a rubber stamp for Notley's HHS executives like Vernayu or Francois Belanger. And then Jason Kenney tried to replace the NDP board with his individuals, and he did replace the entire board one by one with his own appointees.

And it didn't seem to make any difference in the day-to-day functioning of AHS or just in the direction that AHS has taken throughout the pandemic. It seemed Jason Kenney was frustrated at times at AHS. He was at odds with Verni U at certain conferences, press conferences. The AHS board really doesn't have much power. It's now been described as a part-time entity and that it's been replaced by a full-time administrator. So I think it's a great first step. I absolutely want to applaud Danielle Smith for that. But really, the difficult work is ahead.

Restructuring the upper management of AHS is really the difficult task, and that's ahead of her. And your thoughts, Eric? Yeah, so I would certainly agree. She hasn't been in power very long. And, you know, she had her own seat in Madison Hatch. She needed to win, and she just had her throne speech. And, you know, you have to, I think, realize that a lot of the bureaucrats in Eminton are NDP not only appointed.

And so, you know, she is in the lion's den right now, so to speak, you know, who do you trust, who can't you trust? The people who are in her own caucus generally, we're picked out by Kenny himself. And a lot of the people, including the current minister of health, who unfortunately wasn't replaced, because he's been overseeing this now for a year. You know, the reality is that, you know,

these are individuals who made the decisions, right? They chose to steamroll individual rights and freedoms at a time where the science didn't back it up at all. And so now you're looking for accountability, right? So you've got somebody who wants accountability. I think that she can completely win the province on this issue. But at the same time, you know, she doesn't want the party to divide up if people start to split and so on. And so I thought Dr. Maccas's take on on Dr. Joff being hired as a chief medical officer was was pretty good.

I have to be optimistic that he's right along those lines. But my encounter with Dr. Joff actually was last last year. I had sent my letter to the college, but I also sent it to Dr. Verney U. and she forwarded it to Dr. Joff. And he was the only person that responded in writing to my letter. I got a paragraph of thank you for your time and effort and we take it seriously. And then another paragraph of, you know, the whole world is doing this. And so we don't really care what you think.

But he ended it in the last paragraph by suggesting I take the J&J or the Astrosenica, which, you know, subsequently got removed a few months later because of adverse events. So this is the person who's in charge. You can also find, and I've got this video. He did a one-hour interview with Dr. Verna Yu last year in December on breaking COVID myths. And there wasn't a single truthful statement that came out of his mouth. He was reading off cards, but he stated things like, you know, no plausible mechanism through which Ivermectin works, denied any robustness with respect to natural acquired immunity.

You know, so there was not, I, I've been disappointed by the fact that those are the people that are still running the show. But ultimately, you know, it's the premier who's running the show and she's, she's, you know, hire these people. But I, I did notice, you know, after Joff, Dr. Joff was nominated that, you know, he got a lot of very good press, right? Because he's one of them. And I think Dr. Maccas is probably right. You know, I'd sort of take some of the pressure off her. But, I mean, they came after her for kids masking, right? And that's a no-brainer from my perspective. Like, there's data is just so overwhelmingly in favor that we should never be putting masks in her. kids that and yet they destroyed her for two weeks on that one. And so she's in a no-win

situation when you've got, you know, the bureaucracy that she's in right now. And so hopefully, you know, she keeps pushing. She's, you know, she said a lot of really good things. I think that the H.S board component was really good. I think that there are a lot of things that we need to be thinking about immediately right now with respect to all these increased illnesses that we're seeing respiratory virus-wise. I mean, the the idea that we're going to continue to recommend vaccines to these kids, you know, the fact that we're not going to be promoting any out of hospital, early patient treatment.

I mean, these are things we need to start right now from my perspective. And I think one of the most egregious examples of the discrimination that's still going on in Alberta is that a lady who is awaiting a lung transplant, right? You know, the data shows, there's data to show that the people are rejecting their, their organs. after donation who are vaxed, right? And as I mentioned, to start with, you know, the third shot makes you more prone to die with or from the disease. So how can you force somebody?

So this person is dying right now in Alberta. And if you read the legal component of it, I mean, they didn't talk about the science, right? They just deferred. They said that the physicians who made the decision with respect to the vaccine, sorry, the transplant, you know, didn't fall, were not subject to the Canadian Charter Rights and Freedom. And as such, they weren't violating her individual rights. But that's something that I think that the Premier should step in on,

because if you're serious about not allowing discrimination with respect to vaccine status, you've got data to show that she's actually probably better off not having the vaccine in her system. And yet we're letting her die slowly. And I find that appalling. You know, it's funny. I listen to you too and you think, oh, we're getting back to the right, you know, right foot here. We got, you know, a premier in talking openly about things. You know, mask mandates have been in lockdown.

She's come out and said, no, we're not going back there. and, you know, and yet then I listen to you two go back and forth, I'm like, and it just feels like, you know, the wave has gone out and it's starting to mass again and try to come back in. I mean, you two guys have, you know, I go back to the first time I had you on, Eric, you know, and actually, William, you followed it up not that long after. The two of you really struck a chord with a lot of people. and the first was Eric with kids and whether they should be vaccinated. The second was with William and just the breakdown of H.S.

And some of the things going on in that. I assume that both of you are hearing stories that most people don't normally hear. And where you're sitting right now, do you get signs of hope? You know, like, are you sitting there going like things are getting better? It's taking time. Or are you, like, generally concerned? because I tell you what, I, some days I think I'm pretty hopeful.

In other days, I hear some things and I go, oh, my God, right? Like, what are we doing? And I don't know. You both just hop in, feel free to go back and forth, because I'm curious on both your thoughts. I think, you know, yes, things are turning, but they're turning way too slowly, and the damage that's being done is too severe.

And I agree with Dr. Payne absolutely on the fact, that there are several things that need urgent action now. You know, whether it's patients dying that are being removed off transplant lists, whether it's the ongoing vaccination of kids and very young kids, that shouldn't be getting it. You know, there are things that need urgent action now. And the problem is that the, you know, the sort of the narrative is starting to crumble, but it's crumbling much too slowly.

too slowly. There's too many people who are being hurt. There's too many people who are being injured, people who are dying. And so we need more drastic action right now. And the only way to get it in Alberta is really to change the entire leadership of Alberta Health Services and the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, because the College of Physicians of Alberta is still persecuting doctors for writing vaccine exemptions or trying to treat their patients with ivermectin. If you take Dr. Daniel Nagasi, for example, he's still being persecuted by the college. You know, I'm still not allowed to practice because the college went after my medical license for some nonsense. And the individuals who are still sitting in these leadership positions at

AHS or the college and have done so much damage during the pandemic, they're still in those positions. Like Mark Jaffe was a notly HHS executive that she made an AHS vice president of the Northern Zone in 2017. Jason Kinney shifted him into the HHS Cancer Care Executive position in 2021. This is a lifetime bureaucrat, you know, who's been in bureaucratic positions at AHS, who shouldn't be in his position. certainly shouldn't be in Dina Hinshaw's position.

Now, I've, you know, I've given my opinion on that, you know, in that I'm hoping that Daniel Smith is actually removing him from AHS, and this is kind of his exit out of these bureaucratic positions. But we do need drastic action, and we need it now, because people are being harmed. I'll let Eric sort of jump in on the rest. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of directions I can go there. The, you know, the ongoing prosecution from the college is a real thing. you know, how are you going to get people to stand up and, and do what they need to do when they're still being persecuted?

I mean, I've got, I had, you know, a total of five complaints brought against me as a result of, well, you know, as well, as well to the letter and your, and your podcast, Sean, you, you, your, our podcast made, the whole transcript made it into my first original complaint, which was interesting because the complaint was lodged three days after or two days after my letter came out, September 15th. And I didn't knew your podcast until September 27th. And it looked to me like the college itself had inserted our communication. So I'm on somebody's list is what you're saying. Oh, yeah, you're definitely on multiple lists. You know, and three of them are still outstanding. And they've been in purgatory since like February last year, right? So they don't have a case, but do they need a case? I mean, we've seen other people just get knocked down without any real facts.

I mean, the other thing that they did was take away my ability to interact with trainees. And, you know, for somebody who works in an academic center, that's a, that's a big deal. And it's been a full year. And I have, despite letters, I have not received a response as to why, other than the obvious my letter and my vaccine stance with respect to the COVID vaccines. You know, so they won't even, they won't meet with you. They won't, they won't give you heads up. You know, I just just saw yesterday. They are now posting my epilepsy job. So I'm still in the hospital. the job that they took away from me they took away the the salaried contract it's a you know it's a it was a three-year recruitment package but it's a yearly contract that they have the ability to

end uh in writing and um so they did that last january but i've still been working there fee for service and so on but but now they're officially they're officially um trying to hire somebody for the job that they pulled me away from mail clinic from so you know this is still going on right um it it's a roller coaster i feel the same as you sean some days I'm feeling comfortable and excited about things, you know, and then other days you're just like, wow, it's just incredible that this is still going on. I mean, just speak specifically to the, to the masks, right? I mean, Dr. Maccas is right. There's things that need to be done right away, but we have a chief medical officer who last week came out and recommended masking in children

in schools. And there's no evidence for that. There's not a single policy grade study to support that. The policy grade evidence exists with respect to influenza over, many, many, you know, pandemics where we've looked at that. Dozens of randomized control trials, metanalysis, systemic reviews, they show that even N95s, they recommend specifically against using them in public. There is no evidence that it, that it decreases, you know, contacting the illness, right? And then we get into the physics of this with an aerosolized virus and a mass that doesn't seal, and even an N95 respiratory respirator, which does seal, seals temporarily.

you know, we're talking about kids with their dirty hands. We've got, you know, we've got multiple studies now showing fungus and bacteria and everything in this. We've got, you know, the CDC decreasing the number of words that kids are supposed to know by six months. Like this is a big deal. You know, in the first three years of life, kids are exploding, right? Especially language.

And they're six months behind now, you know, in the first three years. And so this isn't because of the school was closed, right? These are the really, really young kids. It's because they can't, you know, the importance of seeing the face when they're learning how to speak and the importance of seeing reaction with respect to social development is enormous. So, you know, on what planet are we masking our kids, especially if you don't have evidence, right? But that's the recommendation coming from our brand new CMOH. So I wrote to them last week and, you know, with respect to their recommendations and said, listen, you guys should not be

encouraging masking. You should be discouraging masking. And if you and if you are not going to do that, then show us the data or debate someone like myself. I mean, you know, last week as well, on a Monday, the chief medical officer in Ontario, you know, he gets on there and says that kids should be masking indoors. He had previously said, if you wake up in the morning and see that your kids coughing at home, you should put a mask on his face. And then three days later, he's partying with drinks in his hand, you know, at an elite party, unmasked in Toronto, right? So do these guys even believe the stuff coming out of their mouth or not? I mean, they, you know, so and that guy, in addition, he's got, he's got conflicts of interest with Pfizer, right? So you start going into these things and you start realizing just the level of corruption and that it's just ubiquitous.

It's been, it's just everywhere. So it's pretty overwhelming. You know, it can be anyways when you start to get beat down. But, yeah, I'm trying to take the little wins that we're seeing. I mean, we certainly have the best chance of any province, I think, right now with Premier Smith to push back. But it's going to be, it's going to be very, very slow. You know, the college itself is wrapped up in legal tangle that that doesn't let her do very many things right now. And so, you know, I've got to hope that that slowly but surely, I mean, I, you know, I think the HHS with Plymouth was a good start.

But we need to get going on early treatment. We need to be recommending, like many other countries have done, against the vaccine and children. We certainly shouldn't be doing. I mean, we have, you know, if you think about this, you know, the global perspective, right? You know, it's easy to get into the weeds here. But in 2021, Alberta was dealing with a pandemic of unknown deaths. we had 3,500 deaths in 2021 for unknown reasons. And unknown hadn't been in the top 15 in really, really ever.

It had never been in the top 15 as far as we could tell going back. Right. If you look at the number two death cause, it was dementia. Number three was COVID, with or from COVID. And we know half of those are with and not from. They had about 1,500 deaths. So there's about 700, 500 patients maybe who died with COVID, sorry, who died from COVID in 2021. compared to 3,500 patients who died for unknown reasons.

And, you know, I don't hear anybody talking about that. Are we doing more pathology? Are we doing more autopsies? Are we looking into why people are dropping? And it's not just like, you know, this is unique to Alberta's data, right? We've got insurance industry showing that, you know, excess all cause mortality is through the roof. We've got, you know, Dr. Maccas' signal with respect to, you know, healthy younger physicians

dying, you know, there's a global signal on increased deaths right now that we're totally completely ignoring. And we know that that stuff started. It didn't start in the first six months when people were being faced with the most virulent strain of COVID. You know, all subsequent COVID strains have been less deadly. This started taking place late first year and really especially took off in the second year. And so if you don't want to blame the Vax for all this. You know, these things are probably multifactorial, I mean, delays to cancer treatments, you know, masking, lockdowns, mental illness that went with that, all these things accumulate. But nobody is even speaking to the Vax at all, is even a possibility, which is ridiculous

when you have all these safety signals and the VERS and VigGISS showing that, you know, lots of people have died. And Canada itself has paid out one death injury post-vaccine already. So it's not like conspiracy theory to suggest that people are dying after this fax, right? So that's where we're at. We are killing more people as a result of what we've done. So what is the premier need to do? Well, let's stop doing what's been killing people for unknown reasons as a starting point, right? You don't have the data on lockdowns in mass.

You don't have the data on the vaccines anymore, right? And you need to really pay attention to the, you know, you don't even have to get into the Ivermachin, hydroxychloroquine stuff. There are things to talk about here, including nasal sprays with iodine and mouthwash, washes, you know, vitamin D, zinc. These things have studies and evidence. It's not like these are just made up, but nobody's even talking about them, right? And if you bring that up, you know,

you're a conspiracy theorist. I mean, I saw, you know, the Calgary Herald, one of the guys who I've been used to, used to listen to him, but he's just completely gone off the deep end, I think, with respect to COVID, Don Baird. And, you know, he said with respect to Jaff's hiring, that thank God that they, you know, she didn't hire one of those medical quacks

who were going to look at. treatment, you know? So that's the, that's the extent of the, of the propaganda against our options right now. Well, it's, I don't know, once again, when you bring up, uh, the treatments and things like that, I think of McCullough talking about the nasal sprays and different things. And I think a lot of people just, you know, when I got sick about a month ago, you don't, I didn't stop doing shows. So I sounded pretty rough. And the amount of people who sent me like, Different protocols and different thoughts and whatever else. Everybody's already taken upon themselves.

They're not waiting for any. But the problem is, is if you aren't listening to, and not just this show, I just mean to alternatives, you have no idea about the possibilities that are out there with all these different, you know, early treatments that can help you. You know, and I want to get back,

I want to bring up one, two, with your mass. this is a time of year. I mean, it's minus 30 this morning. It was cold here. And it is roughly about the same time as last year when I had Hudson Suva's mom, Brandi on, the vet, and he was the kid who had passed out in the school bus because they were all bundled up.

Kindergarten kids all bundled up in winter clothes and then had to wear a mask on the bus. And he was unresponsive. Now, as far as I know, and I've been told no different, and I've seen Brandy's then, he's fine. doing well. But that went through our entire, like, the MLAs brought it up, the government knew about it, and they carried on, and nothing changed. So when it comes to masking thing,

when it comes to Kieran Moore, the guy out east saying, you know, if your kid's sick, mask them up, and two to five-year-olds should be masked. Honestly, that guy needs to be canned immediately. Like, let's stop. Let's get that out of the way. Did I hear you correct, Eric, did you say that Here in Alberta, they had been suggesting masking as well, or did I misinterpret that? Yeah, there's a letter that Dr. Joff, I think it was Dr. McDougal as well. There were two physicians last week, I think on Wednesday or Thursday, they sent out an email to all parents of elementary schoolchildren in the province. So I received that letter because I've got three kids who are eight, six, and four stating,

it was a you know we're dealing with with big numbers respiratory syncedural virus influenza blah blah blah but on the second page of that letter was their recommendations for masking and they are encouraging masking of children in school so my response to to them after the letter that I wrote on Bridgetown which has you know 60 hyperlinked actual has the data is you know how can you encourage as opposed to discourage with with what we know And if you want to get a sense of the physics of these masks, I mean, just get your kid to put a mask on and go breathe outside today in the minus 30. And you will see the steam coming from their face. And you tell me how much of that is being kept from within the mask. I mean, if you can see the steam coming out and you have a virus in that, which is airslides like COVID and RSV and influenza, I mean, it shows you firsthand that that is not keeping anything in, right?

I mean, I use the analogy in the letter about firing marbles through a hockey net. right and you know you can but it's an accurate it's a reasonable analogy because the the aerosolized droplets are smaller than the cross section of the mask itself never mind the the big gaping holes on the side and at the top of your eyes that you know are like air super freeways um so you can see it firsthand that these things don't they don't work right um but i go back to just how how filthy and disgusting kids hands are you know because i've seen this in my house all the time i mean they touch their mask every all the time you know and then there's even there's even evidence now there's a study that's been published in one of the states in the U.S. I think it was Kansas. Double check which state that was. But they found excess all-cause mortality with respect to those counties that had that had the masking. And, you know, they postulated and it makes sense that some of

these bigger particles, bigger droplets, you know, you're going to get them into the mask and you're going to be rebreathing them and you're going to breathe them in deeper than if you had nothing keeping that there. It frankly doesn't make any sense on the surface. I'm very upset with myself to some extent, you know, for masking my own kids last year, we followed all of that recommendation everywhere. And I knew the masking was nonsense because, you know, we had been receiving personal protective equipment training every year. I've received it at Mayo at sick kids in Toronto and at Calgary.

And it's the same training. But it just doesn't apply to COVID like so many of our medical things. Yeah. I don't think you're the only parent that, that mask your kids and now is going, what the heck were we doing, right? but I mean that's the thing there should have been people

who knew I will you know but for the most it's like but now knowing what we know how can you

recommend that it makes zero sense I'm gonna tell you a funny story though you know I was thinking you know I was having one of those days things are getting better

things are all right we're on the right move and then I heard this line and this scared the shit out of me because I'm sure I'm assuming

you two fine folks don't get around too many people who would say something like this because of where you stand and doctors and everything else. And this is what was said. We were talking about an individual, and it sounds like, you know, he's got myoceraditis. And one of the guys went, yeah, that myocaritis is sure going around. And it stopped me, and I was like, do I say something?

Do I get in an announcement? What do I do here? Except then I started, then it got me thinking. I'm like. So are they under the assumption that COVID was so bad that COVID is now causing myocarditis? Is that the train of thought that's going on on the other side? Because, you know, the thing is, I was saying to this to William before we started, you know, when you get hyper-focused at times, somebody could just be sick and die, and it's not anything to do with anything, right? And yet, we're all hyper-focused on everything.

And yet on the other side, I'm watching and I'm going, I don't think they got a sniff, like at a lot. all. Like they're talking about myrochitis like it's like it's the common flu. And yet we all know that isn't the case. I don't know. What are your thoughts on that? Well, you know what? And just to add to what Dr. Payne was saying, this whole thing about bringing back masking is very political. If you look at the, if you look at the doctors who are pushing, aggressively pushing, bringing back mandatory masking of kids and so on, and In Alberta, it's the activist doctors. I call them the NDP activist doctors.

They openly support Alberta NDP. And they're really, they are the individuals who get airtime on media. And so if you look at like a pediatrician like Dr. Tassin Lataha, sorry, I butcher her name. She's been on CBC, CTV Global. And she came out last year and said that there are absolutely no negative impact to masking children, which is absolutely false. And she's aggressively pushing masking in kids.

The other NDP activist doctors are aggressively pushing masking in kids, and the media backed them up on it. And so what we see is that this issue is highly politicized. And whether it's Alberta, whether it's Ontario, it's the same group of individuals who've been in lockstep with the COVID propaganda from the beginning of the pandemic, whether it was aggressively pushing MRA vaccines in absolutely everybody or vaccine mandates in all healthcare workers and so on,

these people haven't changed their tune. They're back pushing the same nonsense over again, and they are all politically aligned to the left, usually to the left, whether it's NDP, whether it's liberals. And these are the people who get media airtime, right? And so the issue is very, very political. And the problem is, is, when it comes, like none of these people have changed,

they haven't changed their mind. They haven't changed their stance regardless of what the data, the scientific data says now. Right. So that's the problem is, and you've got all these doctors, doctor activists who are so invested in denying COVID vaccine injuries that they have to now blame things like myocarditis, in myocarditis, heart attacks, strokes, all these excess deaths, all this widespread immune suppression that we're seeing, for example, with these respiratory outbreaks, they have to blame it on something. They can't blame it on the vaccine. They can't even suggest that it might have

been the vaccine. So they're blaming it on COVID. They're blaming it on long COVID. They're saying, well, now that COVID must have some mysterious mechanism where it impacts, where it suppresses your immune system a year later and this kind of nonsense. And because these people are so invested in denying vaccine injuries, yeah, this has been proposed by Joe Vipond and other doctors that there must now be some mysterious mechanism where COVID is causing immune suppression long term. Right? But that's all they have.

That's the only avenue they have. And with vaccines failing, and we know that, you know, we have negative vaccine efficacy. when you look at people who've taken boosters six to nine months later have actually negative vaccine efficacy. They're more likely to get infected. They're more likely to be hospitalized. That's why the government has stopped publishing the data, as Dr. Payne said, is the data was showing that the hospitals were filling up with the triple vaccinated at far higher rates than the percentage of people who are triple vaccinated. far more of them are ending up hospitalized in the ICUs and dying.

And now in Australia we're seeing data that the quadruple vaccinated are the number one group who are hospitalized an issues and dying. Boys, did you ever think we would say the quadruple vaccinated? I know, like, if I go back. Some people on the fifth. Some people on the fifth I went already. Five of these shots in two years, some people. Yeah. But the, you know, for sure they're trying to blame long COVID.

and, you know, even if you didn't have a very bad course with COVID, it's still because of COVID. But it's expanded to other just absolutely asinine reasons. I mean, they're trying to blame climate change. You know, they're talking that people that exercise have a higher increased risk of dying, right, dropping dead during exercise. Like, when do we tell that to people? You know, there was a peer-reviewed, I think it was in British Medical Journal this week,

where they're blaming the unvax for our negative energy, and we're causing stress and anxiety. and that's why the VACs are dying. I mean, there's no shortage of nonsense, you know, with respect to the cause. But with respect to the, you know, the immune system specifically, you know, we, I had a, somebody send me the Moderna document that they submitted to the Pfizer to have EUA, emergency use authorization approved on the boosters and on the, for kids. And it was a 200-page document that were reviewed.

the four the four studies that they've done in children so far. And the most important, you know, there are a couple of important things, but one important thing to recognize is that none of the pediatric trials have looked to see whether or not the vaccine decreases transmission or decreases cases. They all use a surrogate primary outcome, which is if we inject you with this, can we see an immune, an immunoglobulin or an immune response? So they're measuring blood work. And then in some instances, they're comparing, you know, the six-month, the five-year-old,

data, they're comparing it to older teenagers, which we probably isn't valid anyways. But Fauci himself has stated that, you know, this immuno-bridging that they're using as primary outcome is not a good surrogate for clinical effectiveness. So, you know, most parents don't realize that. But when you look in, and if you, if you, if you hit control after you look through the 200 pages under RSV, you realize that in their own phase three clinical trials, under the unsolicited, listed adverse events that occurred within 28 days of the shot, children who would receive the shot were four times more likely to get RSV.

They were three times more likely to get pneumonia and influenza, right? And these were still small numbers, you know, 0.4% versus zero, but on the, you know, a couple hundred thousand kids, that's going to add up. But we are literally giving kids an injection right now that's leaving them more prone to getting influenza and RSV, which are two viruses that actually cause more injury, more mortality, more morbidity for kids. They are riskier viruses than COVID. That's, and I cited a paper, you know, looking at that, it's documented in multiple

sense. But to think about the insanity of that. You know, right now they're telling us that the RSV is flooding the hospitals and filling it up and we're no doubt that we are seeing a lot of viral illnesses and kids. But the reaction is to give a vaccine, which their own data shows you're more likely to get RSV and influenza on. I mean, how is that for insane? but, you know, here we are and we're still pushing that on there, right?

And we can get into the underlying mechanisms through which your immune system is being hindered by this, right, whether it's immune imprinting, whether it's antibody-dependent enhancement, whether it's, you know, specifically your innate immune system, you know, decreases in things like toll-like receptors and interferon gamma that have been documented to be shown that these are, you know, we've got tumors or presages, there's a lot of reasons to be worried. And frankly, the people that I was listening to who were the smartest people who were outspoken about this, you know, a year and a half ago, people like Gert van der Bosch and Mike Yead and Peter McCullough, you know, they have been predicting that with time, the more Vax you get, the more susceptible you're going to be to other illnesses. This has been, this is like, oh, wow, what's going on? No.

People have been saying that this was going to happen. I wrote about that in my letter last year. And so now we're seeing it. And people are just completely ignoring it. And it's because that media controls a propaganda. I mean, I tried to get my letter into, you know, into a mainstream media with, you know, not the one from a year ago, but my masking letter. Maybe you can't get that in anywhere, right? And you're right.

The people that end up commenting on it, they come in and they say, yeah, masking is a no-brainer. There's no harms that are caused by it. They don't cite a single paper. They just use language like that. and nobody holds them to account. And because the alternative narrative is not getting into that mainstream, and there is still a large component of our society that takes their, you know, their truth from the mainstream media, unfortunately,

you know, that message is not getting out. And then the final thing I'll just say is that, you know, when you've been masking your own kids, when you've been vaccinating your own kids, when you've been telling your patients that they should vaccinate their own kids, there's a serious level of cognitive distance on that. that is extremely anxiety provoking if you're going to try to reconcile and just humble yourself to the realization that you've been advocating, you know, you've been recommending things that are causing harm.

Most people are not going to see that, right, which is why they don't want me in the hospital, because I'm a reminder of that in general, that, you know, they never mind what's happened to me with respect to my own career and these type of things here in Calgary. You know, we have unequivocal evidence that the vaccines are going to cause more harm than good to children. That's just the data. It's there all over the place. And yet, you know, we're still doing that. It's really, really sad. It's really, really depressing or scary or a couple other words as well. Because, you know, I say here and knowing both of your stories and where you sit, it's unnerving maybe as a better one to know that, you know, I think a lot of us want to just,

We're through it, we're moving on, life's going to carry on, life's getting better, and certainly there have been some bright days in the midst of all of this. But when I listen to both of you, it really reminds me, you know, there's still shenanigans going on. And shenanigans probably isn't a stiff enough word, fellas, for what you're seeing and dealing with. Yeah, and honestly, I would say we're sort of right in the middle of this thing. I don't think we're coming out of it anytime soon yet. And I look back at the colleges and the way the colleges are still treating doctors who would speak up about any kind of concerns,

whether it's the COVID vaccines, whether it's masking, whether it's vaccine mandates, whether it's vaccine exemptions, whether it's the transplant patients. If you look at the actions of the colleges throughout Canada, you just had last week, you had a college tribunal, this kangaroo court that they held in Ontario for three doctors who've been speaking up, Dr. Patrick Phillips, Dr. Mark Trozy, Dr. Litchkew. And they're putting these three doctors through a kangaroo court where they're threatening to either have them declared unprofessional, accused of unprofessional conduct or have their licenses temporarily or permanently suspended. In Alberta, the colleges are still persecuting. Like I said, Dr. Daniel and the gas still persecuting me.

they're holding my license hostage. In BC, you've got Bill 36, which gives additional draconian powers to the college. And we've talked about how the Bill 36 will make vaccinations mandatory for health care workers in BC, which is actually the most draconian step in regards to mandatory COVID vaccinations we have seen since the beginning of the pandemic. But also the Bill 36 has provisions where doctors are,

strongly urged to report other doctors for COVID-19 misinformation or misleading patients, as they call it. And nurses are encouraged to report other nurses and so on. So what we're seeing is we've got a very chilling effect throughout Canada where the health care authorities and politicians are ensuring that doctors are not going to speak up. that no matter, you know, what harms and injuries that we see, whether it's the vaccines, whether it's, you know, masking, that doctors will continue to be silenced. And this is not getting better. It's actually getting worse. And now you've got the Canadian Medical Association covering up the fact that Canadian doctors are dropping dead at very high rates.

And the youngest doctors are dying at the highest rate of all ages. It's the young trainees who are dying at record rates. I mean, with McMaster losing three of their medical residents in a single summer, right, ages 25, 2732, that's unprecedented. In my career, I've never heard of anything like that happening, right? And so the Canadian Medical Association is not only covering that up, they're calling it misinformation. They're saying that this is completely false. they're refusing to even consider the possibility that the vaccines may be causing harm among doctors. And they're pushing things like pan-Canadian licensing, which, again, will put the medical licenses of doctors into the hands of the Trudeau-Liberal government.

You'll have an office in Ottawa that will basically decide who can practice medicine in Canada and who can't. Now it's no longer a provincial thing. Now it's going to be a federal thing. And that's what the Canadian Medical Association is pushing right now. They just sent out a letter. I've received it to all the doctors asking, oh, what are your thoughts about pan-Canadian licensing? And they're pushing that.

And that is a very bad thing, in my opinion. And you've had Dr. Michelle Cohen and Timothy Caulfield, University of Alberta law professor, Timothy Caulfield, come out in the Toronto Star, and they've basically said that the colleges are not stripping doctors of their medical licenses quickly enough. Doctors who would raise concerns about the COVID vaccines are not being punished by the colleges

quickly enough that the colleges are too slow to act. Because right now, the colleges, if you're attacked by the college of physicians and surgeons, it could take a year, two years. As Dr. Payne just said, you know, you've got complaints that are sitting in the system, right, that are hanging above your head, and they're sitting in the system,

potentially for a year or two years or more. And what these individuals are telling the Toronto Star is that they want to see doctors stripped of their licenses much more quickly. And Pan-Canadian license is one thing that could do that. So we're really right in the middle of this thing. There are like some tiny improvements that we're seeing, you know, for example, with the COVID misinformation policy on Twitter being rescinded on November 23rd. Now people can actually speak up and say, you know, mRNA vaccines are causing damage. and not get their Twitter account suspended. But these are very, very minor victories.

We're really right in the middle of this thing. And, you know, some things are actually getting worse. Like the attacks through the colleges on the doctors are actually getting worse. You know, I'm glad you brought up that pan licensing thing. Because, you know, if they had had the ability to put a vaccine mandate across the board and all physicians in Canada, they would have done it. They tried to do it in different provinces. I mean, I listened in on, when I wrote my letter, the Alberta College was basically saying,

well, we're going to wait and see what happens with other provinces before we do this because you don't want to get sued. And then they tried to do it in Quebec just before Christmas. And they included the nurses and they pushed back and they won that, which was pretty good. But yeah, I smiled when you mentioned Tim Coughfield because he, well, after my letter came out in the fall last year, there was a Calgary Herald piece against myself and Dr. Vila who had raised concerns. And they quoted Dr. Cawfield. And he stated that comparing, calling into question, the efficacy and safety of the vaccines was like calling into question gravity. And so he hasn't, that hasn't aged well.

And if you do a quick Google search for him, he's on the Pierre, on the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation. So he gets, he gets part of his academic prestige and his funding comes right from the, you know, the Trudeau group. So, and these are the mouthpieces that they have. He was one of the people that they quoted on the masking stuff recently, right? Of course they, you know, and he's actually going around to, you know, he came to the children's in different places to give talks on disinformation, right? And, and they're very effective talks. And I agree with them. There shouldn't be disinformation.

We just disagree on who's providing the disinformation, right? You know, I mean, the authorities are the ones who are providing the disinformation. And, and that's clear now. We, you know, most of us have seen it. You know, don't take my word for it. You want to look at something that I think is the most optimistic right now is look at the, uptake on the vaccines and kids and look at the uptake on the boosters across the country. Right? In Alberta, we can't get over 40%. You know, six out of 10 patients are saying, no, I'm not

taking three. You know, in the six month, the five-year-olds, like less than five percent, have even taken one. In the five to 11-year-olds, that number is less than 50, right? And then even in the teenagers, and the teenagers were the most affected. Like, they got killed from my perspective. I saw them in hospital in my clinic every day because they were not allowed to go to school. Like my elementary school kids were still going to school, but we all know the social importance for teenagers, and that was totally taken away from them. And their sports were taken away and they're all that. So I was seeing a ton of functional neurological injury, you know, psychiatric stuff that was coming through. And when they were, when they were said, okay, you can

go back to a semi-normal life, you know, that's why almost 90% of them took two shots, right? They were forcing them to do it for school, for hockey, for different things. But I just looked at this yesterday and like only 40% of that age group have taken a third shot. So, you know, people are realizing. And part of it is, and I had some friends, I thought, no way they're going to ever see this. Like full communist in my mind. But the reality is when it comes through your house and you've taken three shots

and you miss a week of work anyways, it's like, well, what the hell did I take this thing for? Right? You know, I know the trope is, well, thank goodness I took the shot. I didn't end up with serious illness and disease, right? Well, I didn't take the shot. I didn't even, you know, the COVID went right through my house. I didn't have symptoms.

So, you know, this is, this is, and I had my own boss tell me. me after my letter. He's like, oh, you're coming at this from a different perspective, you know? And I said, well, what perspective are you coming at this from? I'm concerned about these things hurting children. And he told me, you know, is listen, my parents are in their 70s and they just got COVID. And if they hadn't had the shot, they would have died, right? And this was last year in the fall. And I said, well, you realize that they had a 96 or 97% chance of survival, regardless of the vaccine, right? That was the number. That is the number. But that's not. That's just not what, you know, the propaganda has been thick. And it's been successful,

because these guys who are running this are very, very smart. But, I mean, we know that our own military, the Canadian military has admitted in CBC articles, I included those in my mask letter, to running fear psychological operations on the population, right? That was a reason why they told us that our kids were going to kill their grandparents, even though the data didn't suggest that that was going to be the possible. You know, it has been a fear.

And so, you know, my heart goes out for, you know, a lot of the people, believe in the people that wish ill on me right now because a lot of them are they just they just don't they haven't had the truth they haven't seen it they're not even they're not willing to see it and um you know my concern especially for those that i care about um you know as they continue to take shots um is that we're going to start seeing them drop and uh you know i've you know i i i you you made a comment before that that dr macas and i are probably hearing things that a lot of people don't well i mean we we we have people reach out to us you know where we where we talk and you know via email and so on.

And so we're hearing, if there's one message that I've heard is the enormous amount of injury that's coming from this vaccine, you know, even family members who don't tell their doctor about, you know, the permanent numbness and tingling that they've got on their right arm. And it hasn't gone away in the year, right?

There are a lot of these subtle injuries or, you know, injuries that they've seen in their first degree family members and stuff that, you know, it's causing them to question this stuff. And so, you know, a vaccine mandate is not going to go, it's not going to achieve the 80%.

that they got last time because there are too many people. I mean, what, 23% of us told them to stick it anyways in the beginning? But, you know, ultimately, with that harm, you know, people are seeing that reality now. So I find that the most optimistic thing. No matter, you know, what the lines coming through in the mainstream are, the people who are, you know, are walking to the vaccine booth are staying home right now, which means that it's getting through, especially the younger kids, right? Well, just before I let you boys out of here, I guess, you know, I sit and I listen to you, go back and forth and like, man, alive, there's a lot of things going on. And then I go, well, what can a guy do? And so I go, I wonder if you two find folks have an idea for the public on their best way to help support doctors, nurses, you know, you got, you got wherever we go from the masking thing to Bill 36 to, you know, all these different things you talk about.

them kind of centralizing out of Ottawa for for for doctors and licensing and all that jazz your life. So what what can the public do? Can they do anything to help you guys, support you guys? Is there things that can be done or or is that a big question and you need some time? I think people need to keep speaking out. You know, we're in a tough spot in terms of the medical field is is in a tough spot in Canada because like I said, doctors. who speak out are persecuted by the colleges, they're persecuted by the health authorities, they lose their jobs, they lose their shifts, they're being silenced, they're being replaced, they're having their medical licenses attacked. So right now there's a very, very high cost

to pay for a doctor or nurse or any healthcare worker speaking out. And, you know, some of us have been speaking out regardless of the costs, but our numbers are a few and far between. The thing is, is that the tsunami of vaccine injuries that is already washing on shore right now is too big. It's too big to ignore. It's too big to be swept under the rug. Whenever I go give talks now, you look at the audience and I'll have, you know, in an audience of three, four hundred people, I will have 50, 75 people come to me after the talk and tell me about their own family members who've been injured or who've died or who've, you know, who've suffered some strange adverse events. And so this is something that we'll have to deal with. I think for the

average person, I think you find a way to speak up about their own experiences, you know, and that there's a, there's a tremendous value in sharing your own experience, your own, you know, injury that you might have had or adverse event. I've had an Alberta teacher reach out to me recently, and I've never had a teacher reach out to me. Usually I get attacked by teachers. I've been attacked by teachers from my own kid's school. You know, I've had someone actually attacked me on Twitter from my own kid school,

and I realize I'm like, okay, you know, this is now hitting really close to home. But I've had a teacher reach out to me very, very recently who told me that they had a grade two student who died suddenly. in their school. They had a teacher, 37-year-old teacher who died suddenly from a cardiac event in their school. And this individual was just absolutely in a panic. And they said that teachers don't bring up the vaccine unless it is to make fun of or attack anti-vaxxers. But now with these events, these injuries and deaths starting to occur in the school, they're starting to panic. So this individual told me that I'm the first person that they reached out to. I was the first person that they've reached out to and even spoken about their concerns.

And I think that that's so crucial that people share their experiences and speak out and not be silent, right? Because if they're silent, we'll never know. These stories help. They help other people. They may help other people wake up. And that's how we may get a much bigger shift of sort of awakening and shift the conversation to where we needed to be shifted to. Because the struggle with the colleges and the attacks on doctors and nurses and so on,

that's going to be a difficult battle. I think in the near term, I think Danielle Smith could really make a huge difference in this regard. If she takes on the college and really dismantles that sort of health care mafia, that's been running that college and has been sort of in lockstep with the whole COVID propaganda, if she dismantles it and puts in a brand new medical board and puts in just safeguards for doctors and open up the province to doctors who've been persecuted on their license for standing up about COVID-19 concerns. Like Dr. Payne said, with this draconian bill in BC, Bill 36, we would be flooded.

we would be flooded with healthcare workers, with doctors, with nurses, we wouldn't have shortages. You know, we would be, if we provide an environment, a safe environment for our doctors, our nurses, to practice and really to not be subjected to forced vaccinations and all kinds of other restrictions, Alberta will bloom. And, I mean, it'll be paradise, healthcare-wise. And Danielle, like Dr. Payne said, it would be extremely popular with Albertans. So, yeah, just people need to keep speaking up, and we need to shift the narrative slowly towards reality

and not, you know, away from the propaganda that we've been fed for two years. I'll give you the final thought here, Eric, before I let you go. Well, I mean, I agree 100% that we need to speak out. And I think that there are a lot of physicians that would be willing to start speaking out if there was some protection, even if the college wasn't dismantled, that there was, you know, some protection stating that, you know,

with respect to COVID, especially that you're not going to lose your license if you, you know, write a vaccine exemption letter or whatever. I think the, you know, even with that bill in BC from what I understand, they receive thousands of letters from people concerned about that and they didn't even fully read the bill, you know, let alone considerate. So, you know, I think that a premier like Daniel Smith right now, really, really, has the ability to be a game changer across the country. I mean, I think you look at what's happening, you see that our country is sort of, in my opinion, dying.

You know, it's completely not the democracy and that beautiful country I grew up loving. You know, we need to push back. And it doesn't have to be very big, right? I mean, let's just go and put those data that they took off the website. Let's put that back up there. Let's see how many people with four shots are dying, right? You know, in that pandemic of unknown deaths, 3,500, we don't have any data on that. How old were the people?

Did they all have vaccines? They live in houses with people who had vaccines? Do they have other medical conditions? Like, we have not got, so I think just because she's a premier, it's really hard for the mainstream media just to completely ignore what's saying. She's got a, you know, she's got a speaking box. They've got to listen to her in some extent, right? And I do think that just by showing the data again, by protecting the facts. physicians from from recourse that that you know that is a unjustified um you know the the the the treatment

aspect of it as well but you know i i know i you guys may or may not be aware of this but there there there is there was a pandemic and an emergency response um uh plan put in place right after 9-11 in alberta colonel david redmond help put this into place so and the panes pandemic fell under this auspices. And that includes a call-in center and includes directions even to small towns. And Premier Kenny chose not to activate that. And the people in the periphery who were trying to understand, you know, I was saying, listen, we've got this book, we're supposed to be doing this. They were threatened. Right. So there is a plan that is sitting there waiting. I mean, think about that call center being used to, to, you know, for people like Dr. Macch just said, teachers, you know, whistleblowers, you know, to talk about the injuries, to talk about these things, right?

I mean, I know for a fact that these adverse events that are being sent in by Canadian physicians, most of them are being kicked out, right? I've got letters coming back saying that we decided that this wasn't a vaccine injury. We're taking the patient on the database. But I'm also aware of a person who worked in that office. And she was told, you know, that she needed to kick out 75% of the adverse event. So even when a physician is putting these things in, they're being told to kick out 75% of them. The comment being that, you know, federally, they've got another list of criteria, right? So I 100% agree with Dr. Maccas.

There is a degree of injury from these vaccines that is a tsunami that is impossible to sweep under the rug. It's just impossible to do it. there and and you know with more time there's going to be more people that are going to be affected by it right and and hopefully with people speaking out and with some protection people are able to join those lines and maybe see oh wow right that's that's not the case so i think you just got to keep you know doing what we're doing um as best we can and i've certainly um you know appreciated the support that i've gotten from a lot of people that i've never met there's certainly a you know a big group And I saw them and you saw them too, Sean, in Ottawa, right? I mean, there's an enormous population here in Canada that values freedom.

And it cuts across all the nonsense and municipal characteristics that don't matter. And so, you know, I think that that has got it. That will eventually win the day. It just has to. Well, boys, I appreciate you giving me time this morning. I'm glad that we could get Eric on with Dr. Maccas as well. Anytime I get to sit and talk to you guys one-on-one, That's always unbelievable, honestly.

But to add you guys in together and have you kind of go back and forth on your different thoughts is always a welcome change too. I think you guys have so much knowledge to share, and you've seen so many things, especially over the course of the time here in the last couple of years and your stances have really just, you know, really giving you some unique perspective. Either way, appreciate you guys getting some time this morning and look forward to you know, when our paths cross again. Thank you very much, Sean. Thanks, Sean.