Shaun Newman Podcast - #355 - Karla Treadway

Episode Date: December 9, 2022

Yogi, entrepreneur, coach, memer & podcaster. Karla sent me an email on my way back from Ottawa that stuck with me and through our travels we coincidentally met in Calgary. Here we get to know Karla's backstory of losing her business, her journey with faith and how she has moved forward with an upside down world.  Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

I'm Alex Craneer. This is Sarah Swain. This is Terry Clark. This is Tom Corski. I'm Trish Wood. This is Dr. Peter McCullough. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks.

Happy a Friday. And how won't we start a Friday off with this little nugget? I hit a million downloads. So my hat's off to all you fine listeners. Because obviously without you, there would be a podcast. It just wouldn't be as successful as it is. I mean, come on, let's all have a little round of applause here, because, I mean, it's pretty cool. I was just saying this Drew Weatherhead.

He's down in Texas and me and him were texting back forth, and he saw the post on it. And I was like, listen, I don't like to keep track of numbers. It gets in my head, you know, whether you're doing good, doing bad. And so I promise myself, though, that I check them out periodically just to see, you know, where things are trending. and, you know, if, I mean, if all of you have fallen off and everything else, I usually can feel how an episode's doing by the phone line, because when I hit a nerve or do something you like or dislike, you hear about it, right? So I kind of gauge everything by the text line.

But anyways, I opt on and, you know, and started looking at all something. Like, holy crap, like a million. And listen, I don't know what a million. Once upon a time, 10,000 was a big number. I remember 10,000 being like, holy crap, I hit 10,000, right? Like, whew, and then I remember 100,000 being like, all right. And so, let's be clear. I'm no Joe Rogan yet, you know.

He gets, what, 10 million or whatever it is per episode. So, you know, at some point it'd be cool if I got a million an episode. But, I mean, it would be either way, I'm like, celebrate the little wins, right? Once upon a time, I think I put out here, I'll pull it up. I think it was 400. And let me just check here, folks. now I should have been ready and rare and go. I believe it was 400, yeah, 463 downloads in the first month and 26,000 over the first year.

And this past month was 100,000 downloads in the month and a million total, right? So like the, so I'm just like, you know, I don't, once again, people always ask me numbers. Here's some, there's some numbers for you. And so that's all because of you guys, you know, I get it all. the time people sharing and and and and posting the podcast and and and just enjoying it or you know maybe I'm pissing some people off that too you know but either way uh super cool to have you guys and gals all aboard for uh what's been going on here and I I chuckle like it's you know I look at the charts and uh you know like the big shows are in obviously Vancouver and and you know I mean

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visit them at Hancockpatroleum.com. She's a coach, podcaster, professional mimer, and an entrepreneur. I'm talking about Carla Treadway. So buckle up. Here we go. Hey, everybody. This is Carla Joy.

Treadway and you are listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Carla Treadway. So first off, ma'am, thanks for hopping on. Thanks for having me. I feel pretty honored to be in this space. You've had some amazing guests here the last few years, really, really high-quality people. I don't know how I ended up here. Well, it's funny, though, I tell the story of coming back from Ottawa and getting this email from this lady named Carla. And then, you know, by happen chance or whatever we're calling it, we actually get to meet in Calgary. And I go, well, I don't know where this thread goes, but you got to pull on it a little bit because, I mean, of all the messages I got from Ottawa, coming back from Ottawa, I should say, yours really stuck out. So I was like when, you know, when you're like, do we get to sit down and do this?

I'm like, yeah, absolutely. Like, I, you know, we'll see where it goes. But I'm like, I think, you know, and all the people I've interviewed over the course of almost four years now, they've all had their, they've all been unique in their different ways. And you certainly, ma'am, are one of those. That was kind of a wild experience. Just for context, to people listening, I don't reach out to strangers. randomly, but I was listening to the Sean Newman podcast. He was going out to Ottawa. Something in me just said that something was up and you should send Sean a very particular

message that everything's going to be fine. Don't worry about it. It's the cold notes of that email, but it was kind of specific. And it just, it resonated with you, not to go too deep into it. It just was exactly maybe what you needed to hear in that moment. And it was just funny. even I thought it was a little bit odd that I would send you an email out of the blue, but I'm glad it resonated and I'm glad we were able to meet up in Calgary because you and I are in some pretty unique circles right now, and it's good to build those right now. Yeah, unique circles is a nice way to put it.

Some of the places I find myself these days is rather comical, and yet that's where the fun of life seems to be hiding. You know, Carla, for a lot of people, you know, you've built yourself a little community. They're going to know exactly who you are. But for this circle, this side of things, they might be going, who is Carla? And I wouldn't mind if we started there. And you can, you know, go for a short as long as you want to go and we'll see where we get to from there. Amazing.

Yeah, I bet a lot of your listeners probably don't know me. I'm an integrated life coach. I'm a podcaster. I'm a yogi and I'm a proud member of the fringe minority. I'm an accidental professional memer. Some of you might know me from my, I call them my based memes. They're like political memes.

They are controversial memes. And I have built a community that helps support people in a wild. time and not in the way that you think. I lost my brick and mortar yoga studio in 2020 because of the never-ending lockdowns. I knew that my industry in particular was going to take a hit. Not just because my actual business was closed. I live in Ontario and we were just relentless in this province. People started becoming really terrified of each other. They became really complacent. So even when we could reopen, I knew that people weren't really going to come back. And it was wild to witness how scared we got of people.

So I shut down. And this is before I knew there was actually a bigger problem. I just shut down for really practical reasons. And I rebuilt myself online. And I was at home in 2020, scared like everyone else, watching Tiger King, making sourdough bread. doing all those things, watching the death count on CBC, not really thinking anything really was going on until I kind of figured it out. And when I realized something bigger was going on, I started running my mouse. And I had, after losing my business, I had rebuilt everything up online. I had applied for all the

scrant money. I got a whole new client base. I like worked my ass off, rebuilt everything. online. And then when I started speaking out, I lost everything again. Every client, most of my friends, even my parents thought I was crazy. Not like it matters, but like social media following, like poof, gone. Everything that took like years to build. Everything around me crumpled. And I kind of sat there at the bottom of failure times too. Just me and my integrity. And I thought, well, this will have to do, I guess. And it was hard and it was lonely.

But I felt pretty good about that. But then something happened and my life got totally flipped upside down. It started with just one little message in my DMs, I think. It said, hey, me too. And then another one, me too. And then all of a sudden, I started getting surrounded by more people, clients, friends, support than I've ever had in my entire life. And I've used that to rebuild myself times three, except this time I only serve this very unique

and particular community, which is, I guess you could call us the freedom community or the fringe minority or whatever that is. I help people not only build practical sovereign skills, but I help them not be afraid right now. I help them become forward thinking. I help them build what I like to call the unshakable self, meaning they're not scared right now. They can poke fun at this world. They can make big plans in this world. They can feel confident speaking their mind and speaking the truth, because I actually think that's the most important thing that we need to do right now, which is why I think podcasting is so important, why even funny enough memes are important, because it's a really funny and sneaky way to get conversation out there in the ether.

Conversation has been manipulated the last few years, and I think really just the simple act of being able to trust ourselves enough, to speak the truth is actually the most powerful thing we can ever do. So that's a long way of saying that I think you hear like sovereignty a lot, sovereignty and freedom for me. This is all an inside job. This is an inside job. So that's what I help people with now, one-on-one and in my membership. And I poke fun at the clown world using memes each and every day to try and bring a little joy to people's lives, also sneaky wake people up to what's happening in government. You know, I didn't realize, maybe I didn't realize this, or maybe I wasn't paying attention, but you talk about losing basically your business, then you build it, then you lose it again.

Did you ever have a moment where you're like, well, maybe I should just, I don't know. I actually don't know. You just, like, a moment of like, self-pity give up of like, man, this is just, I don't, I, I actually don't know the words, but you get what I'm trying to spit across. Did you have a moment or moments where you're like, what am I doing? Oh, yeah, definitely. I think like a lot of people too, I had like a big dark night of the soul with all this, and it's really uncomfortable starting to realize that there's some things out there

that aren't the way we think they are. I am pretty resilient because I've already been through some tough things in life, but this was probably one of the toughest. And losing everything twice was hard, but I have always valued integrity above all things. So I didn't feel shame about what I was doing. I didn't feel bad about what I was doing it. I knew deep down my bones that it was right.

But business-wise, to lose financially that big twice, was a really scary thing. I really sat with the decision of do I want to keep going? Do I want to try and even be an entrepreneur in this wild world? Like watching inflation and all the things happening with our economy, I was like, should I just get like a regular J.O.B? Should I just be spending my time homeschooling my kids and learning how to can? Should I just be buying Bitcoin?

Like, I don't know what to do. And I really sat with that decision for a lot. long time. And I decided that doing that just means I give up. I just give up, right? And I decided that that wasn't an option. And I could choose to believe that my life was long and beautiful and that I can make a go of anything, even in this kooky world, or I could give up today. And that actually was the only decision to make. That was the only decision to make. Because, if I'm wrong, that's fine. At least I tried, right? And I ended up, I only had a little bit of money left. And I ended up giving it all to Sarah Swain, who you just had on the podcast, he's a good friend of

mine. And I turned the sinking ship around. And I connected with as many forward-thinking individuals as I could possibly find, you know, people that are awake and aware and based in reality. but are also not tanked by any of this. And that's very much where I sit. I'm in reality. I'm not ignoring the things that are going on, but I refuse to be scared of it. I refuse to wait.

I refuse to let any of this tank me. I'm literally using it as like jet fuel to propel forward. And I think that's why I created a membership because these containers, are life-saving right now. The freedom community wants to talk all about, like, independence, right? Do everything ourselves, take care of ourselves. And this is true because I believe in personal responsibility.

We have to own our thoughts, actions, and words. But we get to that state of being with the right support. You don't just like pull up your bootstraps and do that all on your own. You do that because you have encouragement. You do that because you have support. And this is something that some people are missing in this community is it's both and. Like build connections and community. Surround yourself with the most elevated people you can possibly find that want to bring you

forward and not just keep you stuck on your phone and scared and all these things. Then you can rise and be independent. But it's always been both end. it's it's never just been us so sarah helped a lot was sarah the one who touched those dance moves those are all mine those are all mine i should uh you know there'll be listeners i have no idea what i'm joking about but uh i'm a horrible dancer a couple of days ago carla had a video on on on on instagram where she's danced around and i joked uh the first question was going to be about the dance moves and i i found it rather comical and so did sarah because she messaged me

as well. You know, you brought up something that I went down, uh, it's funny that you bring it up at this time and, you know, maybe this is the way the conversation will go. I'm not sure. But last night, I went, you know, I hadn't been down a YouTube rabbit hole and I, I'm going to just say six months. I don't know in the last time. I literally sat down, uh, Melod falling asleep on the couch. And so I just, I can't remember what I was trying to find. But I, you know, I went from one video and then I looked, I'm like, oh, that's kind of interesting. So I went down. and I had read about the Dark Night of the Soul like probably

six, eight months ago. I was close to when I came back from Ottawa, actually. It was a book that was suggested to me, and so I listened to something. I can't remember now. Anyways, I stumbled on the dark night of, in the rabbit hole, the Dark Night of Soul was laying in there as well,

and I watched a couple videos, and I kept one. But, you know, it's funny, I'd never heard that term until we're going to call it April this year. I don't know if that's apt. I don't know if that's right on the point. But, you know, it made me think back then. I wonder how many people, and now you see it on YouTube. Like, you search that term.

Man, there are videos everywhere. But I wonder how many people have never heard that, have no idea what they're going through. And you start to, like, listen or read a little bit about it. You're like, oh, oh. Well, that kind of makes a little bit of sense. Some of it's a little hard to understand, but certainly, Darkness and the Soul, I laughed because I was literally just stumbled across, like,

you know, whatever amount of videos last night. I didn't watch them all in depth, but I find it funny that you bring it up. Yeah, to, like, simplify that idea, it's your world got flipped upside down. You see darkness for the first time, and you feel either disconnected from yourself or, disconnected from spirit. So like some sort of higher power. And that experience for people is terrifying. It's it's the bottom of the barrel, right? And I think that's why I can face this world with courage and jokes and joy. It's funny that joy is my middle name actually because that

actually wasn't my truth for most of my life. I've been through some really, really challenging experiences. I feel like I've had several great life humblings and they're good for us. The reason that things are, I think, a little easier for me right now is because I've been through a lot of those. And I've noticed with my one-on-one clients, the people that are struggling the most right now are the people who are experiencing this dark night of the soul for the first time. You know, their lives have been relatively easy. Their lives have been relatively easy. Their lives have been really good and like bless them that things have been so good up to this point. And this is the first real big thing that has been really hard for them. And they're having a really hard time with that.

And I think they come to me because they're like, well, why are you okay? Why are you okay right now? And I just tell them like, this is good for you. Like things need to crumple sometimes in order for you to really find your integrity in order for you to really find what's actually really important to you. In order for you to change your life or make new connections or do something different, we don't do things that are different if things are going well. You know, if things are comfortable and easy, there's no way you're going to shake up your life, right? We only shake up our life when we hit the bottom.

So I have faith and I think that's what people come to me for confirmation that this is good. Yeah, it's the dark night of the soul that I, it's interesting because I've listened to so many different people talk about it. And I read the St. John of the Cross, the poem he wrote, a 16th century Spanish theologian, philosophy guy. I don't know. Anyways, he wrote, talked about it. And what gave me a little bit of, I don't know, peace of mind, Carla, I'm going to use, is that people have been wrestling this for a very long time. This isn't something new to Sean and Carla.

This is new to everyone who ever steps on the old planet. They at some point probably wrestle with this. And I laughed about it. I said, man, is something as old as that? It's funny nobody talks about it, you know, like openly. Isn't that strange? Because how many people are stuck in a place where they're like, what on earth is going on and and having a real tough time and you you start digging into it and you

find out oh wait it's pretty common uh and no different i always relate it back to uh everybody in the middle of covid thought they were on this island nobody thought like them right because nobody would talk about it and then you realize you know through podcasts and different people you follow on social media you're like oh no a lot of people think this way we've just been we've been fed this lie that um you're on an island nobody thinks like you step in line whatever whatever whatever and that's a really hard thing to to wrap your brain around until you realize holy crap so many people are going through the same damn thing and it's funny i just the the darkening of the soul just you know pops up again and i never thought i would say those words honestly folks on the podcast i got to be very very clear here and yet here we

sit and it was probably the first book or first poem I was told to read after coming back from Ottawa which I just find you know you know once again I some some somewhere out there on the way airwaves somebody's listening to this and I'm going to I hope this makes sense there's times when things just happen and I stand back and I go what on earth was that and so I come back to Carla and you know and the email and I feel like I'm sorry for the listener if I'm going around on a little hamster wheel right now you have to understand let's rewind time I came back from Ottawa and took two months off right finish out

job and a couple things and honestly you know get my head in the right space and whatever else and then this woman Carla emails me and it's just a very heartfelt warm email that's all that's basically saying I get what you're going through and I'm like wow that was that was pretty cool we exchanged a couple emails that was it then don't talk again right for I mean what was Canadians for truth what was that August said oh months ago mm-hmm so okay so that you get this email out of the blue from somebody and then you forget all about it like I mean it was nothing more than just like it's okay okay thanks whatever carry on

I mean it was a little bit more than that but you get the point then you're sitting in a room and the lady sits down beside and you start talking you find her name and then she's like I know who exactly who you are and you're like wait a second are you the Carla and she's like what do you mean and I'm like the car is sent an email email and then I pull it out and you know and it's like what is that that is strange and so you probably have your thoughts on it but I listen I go to the audience I go that's how this all comes about like it's a very strange way you know universe God whatever you want to call it have made

certain circumstances happen that you can't put your finger on and go like, well, that's why it happened. And I don't know. I'm stuck on that. It's a very large question, you know, when you think about it. And once again, I apologize if I'm kind of stuck in my thoughts this morning. But I've been thinking about that for some time, right? Like, that's a very, a very interesting kind of collision, if you would, you know, in your day-to-day life, where we collided and now, you know, you got a podcast and everything else.

You found a way back into like my little world multiple times. And I'm like, I don't know what's going on here, Carla. It's cool, though. It's really cool. I don't mean to make it out sound bad. Geez, do I sound crazy this morning? I feel like I'm kind of doing the old spinning the tire thing or something. And that's kind of the meat of that email.

Without you ever saying on air what was going on, the email was essentially, don't worry about all these bad things that are happening because there's something good and wild building on the side here. Syncronicities, connections, there's something good and wild happening right now. Don't worry about it. Just put your focus on that. And again, friends, I don't send emails to strangers. And I just felt incredibly compelled to send this very strange email. And I remember you answering and saying, that's really weird that you just wrote that essentially, because this is exactly what I needed to hear right now.

And I see those things too. And then when we connected again in Alberta, you're like, I didn't even tell anybody about those things that were happening. So it was just one of, it was another strange synchronicity. and it's another reason why I have a big smile on my face 24-7 because I really just see the polarity of things that are going on. I see all these bad things happening, and there is so much good.

There's so much good. Like this community in particular, the way that people are connecting and helping one another in this non-competitive environment is like nothing I've ever seen before, especially in business. You know, so many people have helped elevate me and the things that I'm creating and I, in turn, do the same for other people. I've just never really seen this type of camaraderie. And there are so many people.

So I'm a spiritual teacher. I'm a yogi. I believe in Eastern Wisdom. I believe in, like, Christian philosophy. I believe in all great spiritual teachings. And so many people, because of what's happened in the last three years, are reconnecting to those teachers, are reconnecting to those teachings.

And the dark night of the soul is separation. The dark night of the soul is feeling alone and separate, not only from each other, but from a sense of something greater than ourselves. And that's what everyone's turning around right now, right? We're reconnecting. We're connecting to each other. How do we support and help one another?

and we are connecting to something bigger than ourselves, whatever that thing is. And not because we're scared. It's not fear. It's not that. Like people just, my experience is that people are acknowledging this is actually something real.

And we know it's real because, again, these very strange synchronities and things that are happening right now. Do you think, do you think believe, I don't know in the word, that you can follow Christianity and Eastern religions all at the same time. Isn't that an impossibility? Mm-hmm.

I think the root of, this is just my personal opinion, I think the root of all spiritual teachings is to love one another and to love the creator. Now, I identify as a Christian, but I don't identify with, like, a denomination. like a particular church or lineage or that sort of thing. And I actually found a church here locally that's teeny tiny. It's super humble.

And I was listening to the minister the other day, say this exact same thing. And I was like, oh, this is like the kind of person I can learn from. And I honestly don't, I'm still learning here. I'm still learning. And this is something I've been. But you're always going to be learning. I think that's one of the epiphany. I've had in my 30s is like, man, the amount of things I get to learn until I finally croak is going to be fun because I don't think you ever stop learning.

Any time, okay, and this is something I usually don't even talk about. And it's something as I've been going down this road of authenticity and not being censored. This is something that I've had a hard time speaking about. You know, like especially yoga teachers, spiritual teachers will say like whatever power, whatever. you want to say, but yet people are terrified to just own what they exactly believe. Now, I'm still learning about what I exactly believe, but I have no problem saying the word God, like no problem at all. And I see so many similarities in all these teachings. Yes, there's lots of differences, but like even within the Christian faith, like they like to fight amongst each other, the Catholics, with the Baptists, with the Presbyterians, like it's a hot mess. And this minister the other day would just actually just saying that none of this matters, that none of these things existed thousands of years ago, that these are the names that we put on things today. And this is where religion gets a

bad name is humans have messed things up in the same way that there are terrible people from any faith, any faith, right? It's funny to me when people, there definitely is an attack on religion in all its forms right now. I think there's an attack on anything that is actually good and light. And the attack comes from misunderstanding, but we have this weird binary thinking problem going on in the world. So someone will say, well, because this type of person identified, and we're going to get into identity here, because this type of person identified as a Christian and they did something bad, that means that everyone that identifies as a Christian is bad, which is something. Which is something, a silly idea because you could flip that on its head and say, well, I saw an atheist become a

serial killer. So I guess if you don't believe in God, then that means that you're a serial killer. Like, it's just such a silly way of thinking. And there's no more nuance in the world where we can just like learn from one another and appreciate things from one another and recognize that there are bad people in every single group and good people in every single group. And politics and religion and all these things were things that you were never supposed to talk about. And I'm trying to normalize more and more talking about all those things. And where else are we seeing this? Like look at politics.

Like only good people vote this way. This is literally what we're being fed by mainstream media, right? And it's such a ridiculous idea. And it's divisive and it's tribal and it's hurtful to everybody. to absolutely everybody. So do I think that I can do Eastern wisdom practices and also believe in like a Western God? Yeah, absolutely. I think you take what resonates, you leave what doesn't, and you are free to shift and change your beliefs at any time. So that, I mean, that's the thing about Mishan. I'm not tribal. Like with voting right now, I'm voting conservative because that's

absolutely what we need to do. And if the conservatives ever fuck up, sorry if I swore, I can, And I'll change. I'll change at any time. I'm flexible. That's allowed on this. Thank you. Okay. Yeah.

You don't have to worry about that. It's, it's, I, you know, it's, when you talk about, when I go back to the beginning, and you know, I, I, I've been talking to a bunch of listeners about a bunch of things behind the scenes. One is, you know, when I first started, all I did was sports for the most part. Like, it was, I'd set out to do more than just sports. And then, you know, in the first hundred episodes, I first, I first. forget what it was. It was like 90% sports, right? Like 90 episodes for sports. And I went,

missing the mark anyways. Now I do no sports. And that isn't what I set out to do either. So I've been having conversations in the background about trying to get athletes back on and that thing, because I really enjoyed. I think it's really cool to hear, once again, different perspectives, different stories, that type of thing. But the two things that were taboo at the start was politics. Well, I mean, everybody knows where I've gone. And the next one is religion. And I'm like, which I find really, I understand it, but in the same time, you know, the last couple of years has really brought a lot of things to light.

And I go, it's really interesting that we really don't talk about the things or somehow we've found a way to make it so you don't talk about the things that really actually matter. And religion is, believe me, you know, as you're talking, I'm like, oh, boy, boy, we are, we are, strolling into some interesting waters that I never once again thought we'd be talking about, except I'm like, I don't know, I'm sure I'm going to have an applause from some people. Some people are going to say you can't be anyway. And I'm like, I don't know. I just, to me, I like having an open conversation.

It doesn't mean you got to have the same thoughts as me or Carla or whoever else comes on. You know, the last one that really fired people up was the lab-grown meat guy. And I'm forgetting his name, Charleboil right now. Charlebeau, I think it was, people really did not like that. And I was like, well, you got to understand it's out there, though, right? I mean, anyways, I'm getting off track here. I just, when it comes back, I go, what I see from the conversations I'm having is people, you have to be, this is the way it is, when it comes to religion, I'm talking, and this is

the way we proceed. And then I'm running into people such as yourself, Carla, that are like, No, it all comes back to fundamental values, and you can pick and choose. And the other side will say you can't pick and choose. You have to hold fast in your beliefs, if you would. Does that make sense? Yep. What I'm witnessing in this tribal war is the side that says that they are the party of love and inclusion

are the most intolerant people I've ever met. And I'm trying to normalize talking about all these things. personally, I don't judge anyone for their medical choices, for their religion, for their perceived outer identity, their sexuality, for their race. I don't judge. I just, I try and look at character. And that's not in the time and space where we're living. There's actually a right choice and a wrong choice in terms of your identity, your political stance, and your religion. And it's an incredibly intolerant time. And it's funny that it took, like you made me out myself here today that I believe in the GOD, right? Like, that's actually the hardest thing to talk about these days. And I'm glad you did

because we really need to actually normalize it. And I did a post today saying, I'm not controversial. And I just realized that I muted myself. I can't believe I just outed you today. That's not what I was trying to do anyways. It's good. No, like, These ideas that I have are not controversial. It's not controversial to believe in bodily autonomy. It's not controversial that I don't think we should mandate and force a medical procedure on 100% of the population that's been proven to cause harm. It's not controversial for me to say mandates are nonsensical.

It's not controversial for me to say we should treat the left and right with respect and censorship is wrong. like these ideas they're actually not controversial people are just mad and think that people like us are controversial because we have the audacity to talk about it and i have the audacity to talk about these things because we have a problem here there is a very big problem in canada with government with these bills with the way that we treat each other and the reason i think that my ideas are her triggering is because it means that something actually is really wrong here. And people don't like to think about problems, right?

They want to live in a Kardashian world. They want to live not in reality. So one, they have to acknowledge that there actually is a problem here. And two, they have to acknowledge that they are complicit in creating the problems. through their silence, through their compliance, that they themselves are making things really, really ugly right now. And people don't like that conversation. Hmm.

Yeah. I think, I don't know. To me, I feel the more that you create, I'm going to use a space, I guess, the more you open up the opportunity to talk about things, For so long, none of us, I was just saying this to Shadow Davis. Like for too long, I think a lot of us just weren't talking about anything. Like we just, you know, like maybe in the back closed room smoking a cigar or whatever,

we'd sit and have a bit of a discussion on some things. But I find as more and more podcasts start to, you know, gain traction, grow, whatever it is, there's more and more conversations happening. talking about the things that actually matter and the more that people talk and start to uh listen learn all those great things the more they can articulate it and and i'm finding more and more people like yourself uh and across the board that are becoming very good in being able to converse what they think they've thought about where their lines are they've thought about what is wrong and they've instead of just going along with, oh, yeah, no, that makes sense.

That's disappearing, which is probably a good thing. Actually, I know it's a good thing because it's that thought process. Oh, yeah, it's probably fine that has got us so far into down this hole, you know, with a multitude of issues. One, you know, you sent me an email wanting to talk about a couple different topics. One of them is, you like a few different others that I've talked to, have been looking into the school system. You know, you're a mother. You've, you've been paying attention to a few different things. What have you been finding out on that end, Carly, you know, or do you care to wait into that one? Yeah, let's do it. I've had some really good free thinkers on my podcast. I've had

Bonnie Snyder, who's from Fire, who talks about the importance of depoliticizing our classrooms, you know, especially in public schools, like let's have a religion-free space. Let's have an ideology space. Let's just teach academics. I've had several members of the trans community on my podcast to talk about why we shouldn't be teaching gender ideology in school, why it's dangerous to teach these things to children. And I've had members of the BIPOC community talk about why CRT is dangerous. The common theme with all of these things, the things that are being taught in school,

Again, it's this binary thinking, if you go along with the policies that are very left in nature, then you're a good person. And if you disagree with any of these policies, it means you're over here. You are a bad person. And that this is actually the only way to do things if you want to be a good person instead of there being more nuanced conversation. So the issues that I have with the schools right now are I'm seeing real time harm. I work with a lot of parents.

I have a parents group. I coach a lot of parents. And the types of harms I'm seeing is children are getting increasingly more depressed and apathetic and obsessed with their identities and an overwhelming amount of anxiety. Our kids are not doing well. I've noticed with my own kids too, it doesn't seem like they are learning. a whole lot of academics anymore. Like my, my oldest isn't great A. I've never seen a textbook. They don't even have textbooks anymore. I feel like we're really, really behind in basic academics,

especially with like lockdowns, right? That caused a serious deficit in our children's learning. So we're moving away from academics and we are moving towards politicization. When I say politicization, I mean ideologies. And personally, I believe in free speech. So I have no problem with you bringing an ideology to the table. No problem. I don't think we should stop teaching about the idea of gender or like ban CRT. I don't believe that.

I have a problem with the Canadian government mandating ideologies. When we mandate an ideology, that means that we are teaching, children how to think. Sorry, we're teaching them what to think and not how to think. This all circle, the dangers with these ideology is that they have a focus on identity, a focus on identity, which is surface, which is shell. So we talked about the dark night of the soul. What is the dark night of the soul? Separation. When we are separated from one another, we suffer. We suffer. this is where we get really confused because people on the left and people teaching ideologies, they say, because we care about indigenous students, our Bivok community, we need to do this.

Because we care about our gay students, this is what we need to do. But I'm challenging them to look at the fruits of their labor. Because if things were getting better, great, you know, great. If kids are, like, thriving in academics and everyone's happy. I'm not really witnessing that. The parents in my group aren't really witnessing that. Pardon me. I heard Jordan Peterson say once, when you have a child focus obsessively about their identity,

what are people calling me? What has been done to me? What kind of microaggressions are happening right now? You know, an eye roll, this or that. What systemically is happening to me? That is a recipe for disaster. This is an anxiety stew for kids that are already awkward and weird and trying to figure out their way in the world. Like, that's an incredibly awkward time of life.

We're increasing anxiety. We're increasing intolerance, separation, right? You're actually not. So Christian Western documentaries. And if you're interested in this topic, Natalie St. Hilaire is so, so good about talking about this. Western Christian democracies and Eastern wisdom traditions all teach the same thing. We are all one. We are all one.

We are the same. We are equal. The difference being a Christian democracy sees us different from God. And Eastern wisdom traditions see us as God. But essentially, the unifying factor there is we are all one. We are all equal. We all deserve the same rights and freedoms. Right? We're all connected. We're all the same. We should treat each other the same, which I think is a really nice idea. What identity politics teaches is we're actually not the same, that there's actually a hierarchy of identities and that we need equity instead of equality. It causes more division and more separation. It has a seek all the ways in which we are different, all the ways in which we are different, all the ways in which we,

should be treated different. And I think we're seeing the fruits of that in real time. I have never seen society more intolerant and more tribal. And it's getting out of hand to the point where, like, if you don't think this is a problem, look at that teacher in Ontario with the giant, massive, fake prosthetic breasts with nipples hanging out. And the school sided with the teacher. they put the teacher above the students. If you think that Drake Queen's wearing thong underwear, performing sexual performances for children is a good thing, man, the pendulum has swung so far.

I don't even know why this is a controversial topic. My conversations with community, with people both in, again, the Bipot community, the indigenous community with trans people. It's all the same thing that I'm hearing. This is increasing intolerance, right? This is decreasing acceptance of the gay community because we've gone so far into Kuku land now.

We don't even know where to stop. So that's a lot of things that I'm worried about. But essentially, there's way less focus on academics. There's way more focus on these Kuki ideology. and if they worked, great. But it doesn't really seem like they're working, and I'm seeing that in real time. I'm sure you're seeing that in real time.

And certainly from the parents I'm hearing about, like kids are struggling. They're big time struggling right now. You know, it's interesting. I'm married to a teacher, though. I'm, what would be the word? I'm very grateful for that

because she makes sure our kids are on top of things. right like it's it's it's uh and they're young enough i think that maybe they've dodged some of this for the for the time being i would say but what i what i see is i don't know to me it feels like trends and what i mean by that is is uh i've had different people on that about um different movements so one of them has been you know like obviously climate change right now and and i've had one of the guys that was on for greenpeace And early, early days were, I'm not saying bad things aren't happening. I'm sure there are.

But in the very early days, they had a clear agenda, and then they won, and then they won again. But now it's become such an organization, if you will, that they have to keep finding new things. So it keeps in their ways to win, and they've found ways to put pressure. Now there's lots of money there, and you can see where this is going. And I look at Maid in Canada, like Maid, the medically assisted suicide. know, was 40 years in the making, I think it was 40 years, 1980-ish, and in 2016, it finally becomes what it is. And now, you know, we just had a Rupa Supermanian talking about how in March of 2023, you're talking about mature minors might be able to get that. You know, what the

hell is a mature minor? And it's, once again, they finally win, but instead of just stopping and walking away, and that's great, now there's money there and whatever else. And so they keep pushing the pendulum. And certain people are like, oh, I think it's great if people want to, you know, and they're, I'm like, a mature minor, are we serious? Like, are we really serious? And I look at all this and I just, to me, it's like there's a chink in the armor of democracy or something, where once it's exposed, it isn't this little chink. They open it like wide open. And it just doesn't seem like we can put a stop to it. Because I think every, like,

a ton of the population is staring at this going, like, this is strange. Like, this is strange. So how do we put this cat back in, you know, the bag, so to speak? It's like, how do we stop this? And once again, I hear what you're talking about. I think everybody's looking at it. But what do we do?

I think, unfortunately, this, we're just getting started in Canada. We're always a few years behind the United States. We're just getting started. And it's unfortunate because most Canadians see these things. as harmless and they're definitely not harmless and we're seeing them in real time let's where is this actually going so identity separates us these kind of teachings separate us they cause conflict we we we can at least all agree with that right like things are really tribal right now they're really

really tribal and there's really simply like you know divided we are weaker but a lot of the things that are happening within the Liberal Party right now don't reflect classic liberalism, right? There's always a pendulum that goes back and forth, right? And if it swings too, right, that's not good. But we have swung far, far left right now. And a lot of the things that are being taught right now are way past classic liberalism and we're moving into things like Marxism. Marxism seeks to destroy and dismantle. These things dismantle relationships. They dismantle our connection to other people.

It dismantles our connection to God. It dismantles the relationship between child and parent. So what happens, like, politically, too, when you have children not recognizing their parents' values anymore, right? they're going to start voting very, very different. You got a lot of old school parents with old school traditional values, and you have the kids really swinging away from that, right? If you disrupt the relationship between child and parent,

you don't understand me, you know, I'm non-binary, you don't understand me, you don't get me, it starts to cause a lot of conflict within the family. And the kids start to rebel. So I don't even think this is a conspiracy. I think this is like a political agenda. And we do know politics, control, or media, our educational institutions are liberal. So this is what I mean about depolitization of the classroom, right?

Public schools should be neutral. They're not there to teach you what way to vote. They're not there to teach you how to think. But we're definitely teaching leftist values in school, which I think is a big problem. And if you've ever read some of the things from the wef, what the wef, the World Economic Forum wants is SEL in the schools. I don't know if you ever heard of SEL, but the goal of the World Economic Forum is to move away from traditional academics and move towards SEL, social, emotional learning. Now, there are a lot of teachers right now doing social emotional learning, and they're like, I don't really see the problem with this.

Social emotional learning means, so it's a way to groom children into thinking, feeling, believing. It's an emphasis on social relationships, on emotion. There are some good things about it, and there are ways to teach social emotional learning that are potentially harmless. The problem is you basically have personality shaping transformational work being injected into our schools by people that are teachers and not therapists, not knowing where these things come from. So anything that comes from the WEF personally, I am suspicious of, I have my red flags up. So the WEF wants social emotional learning in school prioritized over classic academics, reading, writing math, I think are pretty important things. Also a goal of social emotional learning,

because it's brand new, they don't really know how it works, right? So because they don't know how it works, they're going to collect a lot of data. They're going to collect a lot of data on our kids. So one, if you don't really know how this thing works, and you're saying it in your written write-ups, right, you don't really know how this works. So you're going to collect data on the kids the whole time. So you're telling us that you don't really know how this works. And you're and you're going to implement SEL globally. You're going to implement this thing that you don't really know if it works globally. You're going to use teachers who are not therapists or experts in transformational techniques.

You're going to have them socially, emotionally manipulate our children and also collect data on them. And it says in the WEF books, right, that this data will be used for economic purposes. This data will be used for economic purposes. They're gathering data on our kids to see how they can be manipulated for economic purposes in the future. They are data mining our kids. And teachers don't see this yet because it's always framed differently, right? It's kind of like CRT and gender theory. Because we care about kids, this is what we need to do right now.

So SEL is being framed the same way. Because we have a new future and the old ways aren't going to work, because this will be good for kids, we're going to do this. But I think it's a little bit of a bait and switch. And I'm just learning more and more about SEL right now. But it doesn't seem like something that I want happening in the schools. I would be really appreciative of some old school math and literature instead of the idea that someone is not only data mining my kids,

for economic purposes, they are socially, emotionally manipulating them. And if anyone's curious about that, listen to anything from James Lindsay in the New Discourses podcast. Go to the Weft. Read what they're saying about it. It's dicey

at best. If you want to, like, I mean, the one thing that you, you know, the W.E.F. You're like, oh, man. But if you want to learn anything, I mean, they don't hide it. Just go to their website. and go through the pages on pages and pages of material they have and thoughts they have

on the way the world should be, and then understand that they are, you know, a part of like almost every government in the world, right? These aren't small fries. These are very influential people. I don't think I need to explain that to the audience. It's just, you know, when I listen to you, I just keep coming back to this idea that we've been talking about. and that is and well I'll get your thought you know you talked about it right off the hop about the community that's surrounding you I at these times I I think I think that you can

protect yourself by realizing those communities exist but then by trying to build that community where you live and what I mean by that is everybody goes immediately to like food and, you know, whatever else. There's a few things. I get it. I get it. But I more mean, obviously, those sure, like, you know, if you want to go out and prepping and all that stuff.

But I mean challenging your community and whatever size or who that is. That's to each, you know, individual community to do. But to discuss these things and to understand how you can put walls up so that they don't influence your kids and your families and things like that. And I keep coming back to, I think it was Ross Kennedy on the podcast, folks, that talked about levers of power. He was talking about giant macro ones, you know, food supply and energy and those type of things.

And I just think the smaller you put it, they still exist just in different ways. And I think there's ways, you know, well, I mean, I don't know what your thoughts are in this, but like in the middle of the pandemic, you realized how important school trustees, school boards, those things were. I don't think any of us realized that. I would argue that nobody talked about that ever. And now we're all like, oh, wow, right? Like, that is really important. Didn't realize that. I had no idea. And that on a local level, you're starting to realize how much influence and control some of those little boards have. And I would just say after listening what you're talking about,

WF and everything else, is like some of that is out of our control. It's just, it's such a, you know, like, Bill Gates doesn't have a clue who the hell of Sean Newman is. And if I'm on that list, oh boy, I really have stirred up some things. But like, for the most part, they are implementing things that are going to be coming down the pipe, no matter what I do or say about it.

But if we learned anything through COVID, even COVID, they didn't, well, no, you had elected officials that put this through and that's on them and not on us and whatever, all the, you know, the pointing, finger pointing. It's like, oh, okay. So if we were in that position, we could have said no. And helped communities weather the storm, if you will. I don't know. What's your thoughts on where my brain's at.

What I'm hearing is like what can you control versus what can't you control. And I think politics are easier to influence right now than the schools because the schools, everyone just says, oh, we're doing what we're told. It's way worse than politics. And I personally have had to step back from even thinking about it too much. I'm not dropping it. But everyone just says we're doing what we're told. Everyone denies responsibility. People refuse to have conversations.

People refuse to have emails. Everyone passes the butt. So are you going to get on the school board then? Is that something that you're like, I should do this? I thought about it this year. I live in a small town and I'm definitely the black sheep of my small town. I maybe gave up too quick. I immediately thought, well, I'm not going to get elected.

They don't want me there. But I think next time I'm going to run because I think, there's a lot of parents that do think the same way that I do. In the meantime, I'm still just trying to start conversations. It's my opinion that if you are not able to have a conversation, you don't have a leg to stand on. If you can't defend your policies, they're not good policies. And this is where I keep putting pressure on the school. So whether it was the medical policies, whether they were letting like the health unit come in and give shots to kids. I'd always, instead of me talking to the school, here's what I believe, I'd always ask them,

show me the evidence that shows that mass work. You guys show me the evidence that you're looking at. The last one was with the, they wanted to close the schools again because of the, the QP thing. And I wrote the director of it. The QP? In Ontario, there was a strike and they were going to lock,

they were gonna send kids home again. And I wrote the director of education and I said, I understand that people deserve to be paid well. And I'm always respectful. Like I understand you're in a pickle, right? And people deserve to be paid. But I would just like you to show me the grade point average of the students prior to the lockdowns,

after the lockdowns, so that I can see that they've recovered. And I'd like to know what measures you're currently taking to track school performance. If you do lock down again and kids have to go home, I just want to know that you guys have all these measures in place and that you'll be tracking this. And if I could just see the grade point average of all the kids, that would be really helpful. They hate that. They hate that because I'm not telling them what I think.

I'm like, you show me that this is a good idea and this doesn't hurt kids. And they know that wakes people. up faster than anything because they know that there's actually not proof of most of the things that they're doing, whether it's SEL, whether it's the ideologies. I would like to see proof that they're working. And honestly, I'm not tribal. So if you have proof that any of these things are working, great. Great. The problem is so many people hold on to their ideology, right? we have an idea that this plan will be good. And they hold on to that for dear life, even when the evidence says otherwise.

And I'm just based in reality. What are the fruits? Did this work? Yes or no? If it didn't work, well, the ideology is not standing up, right? Facts over ideology. Yeah. When you can, once again, I come back to it, when you can articulate and understand the pressure points,

instead of just yelling at them or what have you, if you can find the way to articulate it in a way that they got to be like, oh, fuck, no, I, no, do we, how do I respond? Maybe I don't respond, you know? That's, that's the, that's the, I think that's the best. I mean, I think once again, you come back to mass and you come back to a bunch of different things,

lockdowns, the, you know, school closures, all that stuff. I don't, there was nothing, well, I shouldn't say nothing. from what I've seen, very little was kept on data on any of that, right? Like, nobody even thought about it. You're like, well, why would, that's what you're paid to do. You're paid to, you know, get kids successfully through school and everything else. You'd think that the Ministry of Education would be, or the Minister of Education would be all over that.

But it was kind of like everybody just went, let's just all go home and protect ourselves. I'm going to get paid, but we'll get back in a couple of years and it'll be fine, you know, on being a little tugging cheek, but you get the point. The worst part about all of this, Sean, again, it comes back to connection. I recently aired my grievances with, like, the school principal and, like, some of the school board members, and I just said... Seinfeld, airing of the grievances. Anyway, sorry, I got to get that thought out of my head.

I'll sit here and chuckle at you for the next half hour. The last three years, what we have experienced was a denial to have human connection and conversation. This is my biggest pet peeve in this entire world, right? There's no connection. There's no willingness to have a conversation, right? We're censoring people, canceling people, dehumanizing people. And it's causing tribalism. It's causing war.

It's causing so many issues. So, like in my conversations with the school, I said just this year, I wrote everyone. and I said, I tried to contact you all many, many times. And I was kind and I was polite. And my emails were articulate and I had evidence. And not one of you responded, not one. Or you gossiped about me or you just said, well, we're doing what we're told.

End of conversation. Do you know what that did? I was terrified. I was terrified as a mother. I knew these things were back. for kids. I knew these policies were harmful. So what did that do to people? They got law involved. Like they got action for Canada involved. We served NO Wells to everyone. And we were like, well, if you won't talk to me, then I'm going to make sure that you are held, they hated getting

those NOLs. And I said, and that's your fault. And now you've put parents in this horrific position where we are terrified of the health unit. We're terrified of people in the school. We don't trust you. We don't trust you because you dehumanized us. You refused to have a conversation. And it never had to be that way because you guys are hiding behind policies. You're hiding behind ideologies. And if these things were good, you would be able to have conversations. The fact that you are not able to have conversations, the fact that you are not able to provide me with proof of policy, it only emboldens me, right? It shows me how wrong you are. Because this is, this is why I'm able to talk on this podcast. This is why I'm able, this is why I call it like the unshakable

self. This is why I can go on Instagram and say what I say. I am calm and rooted and peaceful in the present moment because I know where I hear. I think it's what you're talking about is unique. I don't think there's, maybe there's more and more Carla's run around now, but the ones that I heard about in this area at least, there was a lot of people that went and screamed. And as soon as you do things like that, and I'm not saying, like listen, I've got, I've had this discussion so many times behind the closed doors. It's not even funny because somebody will be like, well, I tried doing it calm and they still

wouldn't listen to me and you're like that's fair but part of it there was a lot there because at times the calm didn't work and for sure the yelling didn't work and so it escalated it just seemed to escalate no matter what happened and I find myself in this really weird predicament Carla you know I'm you know I'm almost treated like I dislike the hospital I laugh about that all the time I'm like I don't dislike nurses doctors, like at the hospital, I always, you know, me and twos, you know, have our different thoughts in the hospital, but mine, you know, literally saved my youngest kid. I got all the time in the world for it. But I also go, you know, but when my values or my ideas didn't align

with the common thought, I was ostracized for it. And I'm like, that makes zero sense to me. If I'm completely wrong, then show what you just said. Show me all the data that supports, lot-di-da-di-da-di-da, and it isn't there, right? It just isn't there. And so then you go, okay, so what is going on? And you can calmly say all that, but sometimes that doesn't get you anywhere. Sometimes that doesn't get you anywhere at all.

And then what happens is you bring in the hammer, and the hammer always yells. Always comes in, and the hammer usually the best ones, are very articulate about it as well and have a way of being forcibly, um, forcibly polite. Is that a thing? Can I say that?

Is that possible? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I think you're right in that there's not a lot of people doing what I'm doing from a place of calm. I think it's really important to stay calm. I think it's important to be in reality, but not let any of this tank us.

here's the thing it we need to leave our heads on we live in a world that is selling kumbaya but only kumbaya if you think this way that's right we have removed all public discourse none of us including myself is still learning how to calmly have a disagreement we haven't we we don't you know like we we we don't we don't lift up disagreements. And that sounds really stupid. What I'm trying to say is like, it's okay to have disagreements.

It's okay not to agree with everything. But for so long, we've been told this is the way you think. Our media all thinks relatively the same way. There's very few that are, and if they do have an opposite opinion, they're an outlier, they're outspoken, they're whatever. It's like, no, it's just the other way. But for so long, and for so long, I mean probably my lifetime, maybe a little longer than that.

Yeah. And so we fall into this place where it's really difficult to have a conversation where you disagree, stay at the table, stay listening, and not storm off or get into physical altercation. That is like, very tough. Okay. Are you ready to drink the Kool-Aid? I'm going to blow your mind here. I'm going to blow your mind.

So I talked about the pendulum swinging towards Marxism. you usually hear fascism as something that's described on the right, but fascism can happen on the left or the right. Fascism means that we are essentially controlling thought and belief, right? We do that through media, we do that through indoctrination, we do that through mandated ideologies, all of those things. That is fascism. We had a workshop with Natalie, who you met the other day, Natalie St. Hilaire,

and we were talking more about identity. And so we had this idea. right? In all spiritual teachings, we are connected and we are equal. And identity politics teaches that we are separate and there is a hierarchy of privilege. You hear privilege, privilege, nonstop. And this is why these things are all connected. We hear privilege. We are being taught. This comes from Natalie that we have privileges and not rights. We have privileges, not right. It's actually a privilege to keep your business open. It's a privilege to have bodily autonomy. It's a privilege to have rights.

Look at all the people that like shame the freedom convoy, right? It's a privilege to have these rights. We're being taught that we actually have privileges and not rights. That's going to be weaponized against us. So if you think about the thought police trying to control different things, how dangerous does this get, right? What else is going to start to be deemed a privilege? Property ownership, money in the bank account.

what else is going to be seen as a privilege and not a right moving forward? I don't think this is a conspiracy. I think this all aligns, because so much of it is nonsensical. When you start to like click that in, you're like, oh my God, we are being taught that we no longer have rights. And if you do not give up your rights, you are not a good person. And on, like, yes, we can control people by threatening their jobs. We can control people by saying you're going to get really sick and die. Those things are powerful things.

But the most powerful way that we can control people in 2022 is to threaten disconnection, right? If we social shame you, you will do whatever we say. How many people are following along with these rules, even though that they know they don't make sense because they are scared of being disconnected from others. They will give up bodily autonomy. They will wear masks even though they don't do anything, right? What else will you give up in place because you're too scared of being disconnected? That is such a real fear for human beings. That's the dark night of the soul. Oh my God, I'm disconnected. People aren't going to like me. They're not going to include me, I no longer belong. And we use that with, instead of good studies to prove your point,

we name call people, right? Oh, you disagree with me? You're a Nazi. You're a white supremacist. You're a misogynist. You're blah, blah, blah. This is how we're controlling people. And people will fall in line with this if they don't have an unshakable sense of integrity, right? That pressure is real. I have a thought. And I'm curious now on your thoughts on this. Me and Shadow once again, we're talking earlier this week about how a lot of women are engaged. They're really like on top of it. Mama bears everywhere have been bearing their teeth for a while now.

Do you think it's because you mentioned you're in different groups, you lead different groups, women have these, I don't know, safe spaces. Can I call it? I think that's what it is. You know. And it's very popular. This has been a popular idea for, I don't know, 10 years, longer, shorter, it doesn't matter. And when you get to talk about things in a space like that where there's no judgment, the ability to just have your thoughts and you can kind of go back and forth, you're engaged

and you're challenging yourself to think about bigger things than what have you. Men don't do the same thing, but they're starting to. I'm starting to see more men's groups forming where they're getting together and talking about things that actually matter. And, you know, I'm almost having a little bit of an epiphany here with you, Carla, is one of the things people ask me is, how did you get through the last two years? How didn't you, you know, how did you have the, you know, whatever, the fortitude to keep going with the podcast, everything else? And I've talked about this. The reason the podcast started was because we formed a book club, five of us. And the idea was better fathers, better husbands, right?

And we were just, just wanted to read some things and talk about some things that you don't normally talk about. And so in the middle of COVID, we all had some very hard conversations over and over and over, probably too many times over. And I'm like, all of us have been wondering why so many women are engaged. Does it come back to do you think that so many women are a part of little, closed circuit groups where you get to talk about things that actually matter and that that right there by having conversations that are open and frank has led to more women in being involved does that make sense like to me i'm going to me it just makes perfect sense but maybe maybe there's more to it than that i don't know if it's women i definitely see the charge of women

i see the charge of women right now but there are a lot of women that are not awake or saying anything. And for me, I think, I think the difference actually is there's, I don't know, maybe it's the circles I'm in, but the people that are awake right now have religious backings or spiritual background or their yogis or their coaches or they are deeply, they were already deeply in this kind of work where you have to think about your thinking. You got to think about your thinking. You got to think about philosophies. You got to think about great spiritual teachings and all of these people, the moment this thing happened, they were like, ping, this is not right.

Because they're used to tapping into their intuition. They're used to tapping into integrity. They're used to thinking about uncomfortable things. Whereas a lot of the world, I call them like the Kardashian people, right? They don't think about serious things. They don't read the kind of books that you're reading in your book club. So men and women, anyone that's actually willing to deal with uncomfortable. topics or do this kind of work, those are the people that are awake. People that stay superficial

and surface, they're the ones that are a little slower out of the gates, except for Dan. My husband, Dan is, he's not any of those things. He's like beer, hunting. From day, Dan woke up way before I did. From day one, Dan was like, I think it's because he's incredibly logical and good at math. I think from day one, I think he looked at the numbers and was like, this is stupid. That's what Will came up. So we're different there. So either you're good at math or you're like spiritual in some way. And then you get it.

Certainly, certainly in my travels, if you have a strong faith, that was one. A lot of homeschoolers, people who would question the system early on well before anything, there seems to be a very strong trend. as well. I just, you know, it's interesting. Talking about the things that actually matter, if you get groups of people doing that, it's pretty crazy what comes out of it because you start to identify problems and then, you know, the next logical step is let's go fix that problem because, you know, we can. And, you know, I just, hmm, I don't know, it's just an interesting thought this morning. If there's one thing I love about a good podcast or a good conversation, it's

is usually somewhere along the lines, maybe the audience found lots of them today. But I found one where I'm like, I've never had that thought before, but I'm going to think about it for some time now because it's something that, to me, makes a lot of sense by having, and I just see that they've been so popularized

through Facebook and what have you, right? It's become very popularized. But at some point, I got to make my way out east, Ontario. I feel like I got a road trip at some point coming where I bump into like 20 different podcast guests. And I would love to meet your husband. He sounds like quite the character. And certainly I would like to have a couple sasparillas with him

because I can get down with drinking beer as well. Before I let you out of here, we got to do the Crude Master final question. Shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald. And I was, you know, I got to host my first ever Christmas party. It was SMP Christmas. I didn't know what the heck to call it. And it was a few different.

businesses from the support the podcast that all brought their employees in and we had a comedian and anything how everything else and it was a cool little night and of course crude master was there and so heath and Tracy have been large supporters huge supporters of the podcast since early on and I always joke Carl I'm like man I've I've led him on a journey right because like I haven't been the easy the easy host that just strays away in the beginning maybe it was but not anymore but anyways cease words I'm going on a little bit of a right here. If you're going to stand behind something, then stand behind it. What's one thing, Carla, stands behind? Integrity is everything. The world is out of integrity right now. And

when we're in integrity, then we can have these kind of conversations. When we're out of integrity, that's when censorship and all these things start to spiral out of control. So I think the more of us that can tap back into that deep level of self-trust and integrity, the better this world will be instead of just worrying about what other people think of us. Well, I've certainly enjoyed this and I hope listeners did as well. Either way, Carla, I don't know where the future goes. I have no idea where our paths cross again. I'm sure at some point they will. I'm coming to Alberta. Are you? Where are you coming to Alberta? I got invited to be a speaker at Set Up for Sovereignty in February. And it's a bunch of

of freedom folk learning essential sovereign skills and I'm going to be there running my mouth too. What, uh, can you share any details on that if anyone's interested? Yeah, absolutely. It's, um, there's a bunch of powerhouse women. Sarah's going to be there. Kate Davy, uh, Nicole Murphy. She's a journalist.

Um, and we're not only teaching sovereign skills. So like canning, homesteading, making more money, um, just really practical things. I'll be there teaching you how to build your own shakeable self. So it's in Sylvan Lake. Ooh, my spawn. It looks beautiful. I've never been there. You've never been to Sylvan?

No. I mean, I would pick a better time than February to go, but Sylvan's a beautiful spa. I think the creators of this event, we're just really excited to get it going because it's time to gather. I think people are feeling that. It's time to, again, connect. It's time to connect in person and have good conversation and be sort of. surrounded by really forward-thinking individuals that also don't want to be in the doom and gloom that

are like, okay, how do we make things better? How do we talk about solutions? And that's what this event is all about. Cool. If they're interested, where do they go? Where can they find you where you'll probably toss information out, all that good stuff? If they want to see some of your sweet dance moves, where do they go? My poor kids, they're so embarrassed. Probably the best way to find me is my Instagram, Carla Joy Treadway, Carla's with a K. My website's the same, Carlajoytreadway.com. Cool. Well, thank you so much for giving me some time this morning. I don't know. Like I say, I don't know where the roads eventually pass. Maybe February, maybe later, maybe sooner, who knows. Either way, Carla, great catching up with you yet again. And thanks for hopping on.

I'm so grateful to be able to be in the space and to connect with you again. Thank you so much for having me.