Shaun Newman Podcast - #363 - Vance Crowe & Quick Dick McDick

Episode Date: January 2, 2023

Vance Crowe - He is from St. Louis Missouri and is a communications consultant that has worked for corporations and international organizations around the world. He hosts the influential Vance Crowe Podcast. Quick Dick McDick - He is from Tuffnell Saskatchewan and went from a Snapchat handle to Youtube star with over 11 million views & 100 thousand subscribers.  We discuss 2022 in the rear view, community building, the rural urban divide, what brings people together & looking into 2023. January 22nd SNP Presents: Rural Urban Divide featuring: Vance Crowe, QDM & Stephen Barbour.   Get your tickets here: snp.ticketleap.com/ruralurbandivide/ Let me know what you think   Text me 587-217-8500

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As you're going to hear, this is, well, it's been a nice break. I've had a nice time away from the studio, got to hang out with, you know, family, friends, the kids. We built a Quincy. I don't know if you saw that on social media or not, but people were making fun of me. They call it a snow for it or, you know, a Canadian igloo. But the survival term is a Quincy.

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The first is from St. Louis, Missouri. He's a communications consultant that has worked for corporations and international organizations around the world. He's spoken before more than 150,000 people answering questions about some of the most sophisticated. and controversial technologies in the modern age. He also hosts the influential Vance Crow podcast. The second, probably from Tuffinil, Saskatchewan, he went from a Snapchat handle to YouTube star with over 11 million views and 100,000 subscribers.

And, of course, on the weekends, he is touring with his regularly sold-out comedy show. I'm talking about Vance Crow and QuickDick McDick. So buckle up, here we go. This is Vance Crow. This is Quick-Dick-McDick, and you are listening to the Sean Newman podcast. All right.

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Vance Crow and Quick Dick, Mick Dick. Boys, how's it going? New Year, 2020. How's the fellas doing? She's happy New Year to everybody. Happy New Year to you guys, New Year to you guys, whoever's listening. Just great. Here we go. Another spin around the sun. Isn't that the truth? Unless you're a flat earth person and then that's another just time on this flat piece of rock that we live on. Never. You know, I was, you know, I said this when Quick Dick was on stage and now, Vance, you're coming to, you're coming to Lloyd here January 22nd. So shout out or, uh, shocker to everyone who doesn't know, but Quick Dick, Vance Crowe, Stephen Barber, all going to be on stage together January 22nd. I'm also selflessly promote that right now.

Tickets in the show notes if you're so inclined. But, uh, I was saying to Quick Dick when we, when we got to be on stage together with. myself, Quick Dick, and 222 minutes, that it was a pretty strange feeling, you know, to have people come watch us three especially, but how we met, you know, with twos and Quick Dick coming through Twitter, eventually. And this one is almost as strange, I mean, in the coolest way, because the only reason I ever stumbled on Vance was because of QuickTick coming on and essentially listening to on your show, the Vance Crowe podcast. And I don't know, boys. I,

2023, I can't think of a better way to start it, but this is, you know, one of those relationships that have grown, you know, me and Quick Dick have, I like to think, a pretty good relationship. And then, of course, Vance, we've got to spend some time together as well. And this has been, I don't know, and now I wasn't planning this show. It just has fallen in my lap. I mean, you're both in Lloyd Minster on the same day. It's like, somebody wants this to happen. Well, man, I think you're like a lightning rod for interesting things.

things to happen. You know, like ever since I met you, you were doing these bicycles across wherever the hell you were going and doing stuff. So I think, if anything, it's me along for the line with you, man. Like, your show is just exploded. I feel like I'm part Canadian because I'm listening to you and twos. And I'd like that guy from Manitoba just shocked me just this last week you posted. Who are you talking about Shadow Davis or Wayne Peters? The guy, the engineer that like reads all those studies and comes up Oh, shit. Drysdell.

Ken Drysdell. Yeah. You know, every time I turn on your thing, I'm always like, I don't know if Sean's going to be able to make this boring person sound interesting. And then what do you know? You've got some dude on there that's like, I've done this for 30 years. I know exactly what I'm doing. This is bang, bang, bang.

You're like, actually, I did want to know this. It's pretty cool. Well, I appreciate that. You know, it's funny. to the listener, Quick Dick's been sick for the last bit. He has no idea what the podcast has been doing. He has no idea that I released the top 25 episodes from this past year from 2022. And he finished, what was it?

I think it was 16th. I think you were sandwiched between wrong. And I should have put on the post. In year two, Quick Dick was the number one. The first time you ever did a podcast, that was the number one for the year. And I never released them. But top 25 this year? So, I mean, there's nowhere to go but down from there anyways, right?

So, like, it's good. I'm happy. Well, you're number 16 this year. You're sandwiched between Ron McLean and Peter McCullough. And if you scroll up. You know, those are two dudes I never thought I'd be sandwiched between. There you go. And you know who cracked the top 10, QDM?

I'm actually very curious to know now. Vance Crowe. Well, obviously, I mean, come on, that's a given, right? You listen to that guy talked for a few minutes, and you're going to be pretty captivated about what he's got to say for sure. No, fire away, Vance. Well, I mean, I was just going to say, like, you know, I can get in the top 10 of yours, and this is like an honor to me. But you go look on YouTube channels that Quick Dick is on, whether he's doing an interview or his own freaking comedy show.

He's got such huge numbers, and he came from nowhere. I mean, like, think back to how different life is from the first time you went and put one of those videos on there. I mean, you change the world. A lot of people listen to you. A lot of people come to your shows. man. Oh shit. Well, I appreciate that man. And like you guys were saying earlier, though, this is this trio of kind of how we've all got to know each other kind of thing. It is really funny how the world works a little bit. You know what I mean? Because, yeah, initially,

you know, Vance and I kind of started on the Vance Crow podcast. And then I just remember Sean being like, you know, who's one person? I was like, dude, like, have you heard of Vance Crow? And like, I think that's kind of how this all kind of got started, which is super cool. And I just like how the world works like that. You know what I mean? And, you know, Vance, obviously, I've listened to a lot of your stuff when I was, when I was, you know, getting into doing live comedy. I went back to a lot of podcasts you did with comedians. And, Sean, obviously, with you and twos and everything.

I mean, lately I haven't, but I got a lot of catching up to do when I decided to flip social media back on, I guess. But yeah, it's just, it's great. I enjoy both your content. And it's just like you were saying earlier, Vance, it's just, it's really cool, Sean, how you're just, you're not afraid to get anybody on and just get people on and talk to them. And that's,

there's so much more that that needs to happen in the world now. So just congrats to both you. And I'm just really, really proud to know both of you as friends and really looking forward to, uh, getting together in Lloyd. That's going to be a really good time. Well,

when, uh, when you look back at 2022 fellas, what's, uh, some things that, uh, this stick out to your own year in review.

What's, what's something, you know, like I was saying, uh, Vance before we started this. Like my 2022, I,

I don't know if I'd ever like listed, the top 25 episodes before. So I had no, you know, one might argue that it was going to be all doctors. It was going to be all whatever, right? And then the top 25 goes from like, you know, certainly doctor to YouTube, to the states, you know, in the show, to, you know, like a whistleblower to a scientist.

It was just all over the map. I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. Like, it's kind of what I wanted. You know, if I was going to write out how the podcast would look, I certainly would love to add a couple more athletes. I know the listener would enjoy that as well, and I hope to get back to a couple of those. But like the top 25 when I did, I was like, oh, that was pretty cool.

And then, you know, I took it a step further and went back and looked over all the live shows I'd done, you know, because that was something in my brain that I was terrified. I still terrified. Terrified of the 22nd. It's going to be a ton of fun. But it's something that when I look back over the year, I'm like, oh, wow, actually, you know, like accomplished quite a bit.

I wonder what QDM and Mr. Crow have to say about their years, you know, as they look back. Because, you know, 2023, there's, well, a world of possibilities. Go ahead, Vince. Do you want to go? I mean, like, you know, I've got my obvious family ones, right? But if I were thinking about ones that pertain to podcast and being out in the world, I think the biggest accomplishment for me is my business partner, the guy that helps me put on the podcast, the guy that helps me do legacy interviews. this whole time ever since he came onto the show he's been reaching out to the scientists that come on

my show and he like builds a relationship with him he reads their papers he uh like starts um keeping up with other related fields that they're in and writes them and says hey i was thinking about this and hey do you have any papers for me that i could read and so he like built up a network over the last two weeks or two years and uh he got invited to like big time think tanks to share what he thinks about. He got invited to go to MIT. He got invited to this thing called the Forsight Institute. And that is purely from him being like,

I'm going to go out and find the coolest people in the world. I'm going to get him to come on your podcast. But he didn't stop there. He did what like the best listeners, the best participants do. He's like, he just kept building from it. So for me to see that guy succeed and has been a huge win in my world. You're talking about Ben. Ben Anderson, yeah.

Very cool. You know, as you talk Vance before I let QDM talk about his year, I think I might just write it down right now. Miles would just have Ben on the show because, I mean, there's a lot. When I finally got to meet Ben, like there's a guy. And I mean, we're talking about somebody, the listener, obviously they follow Vance, they'll know who he is. But if you don't listen to Vance's show, you have no idea who you're talking about. But it's, he kind of reminds me a little bit of like, I don't know if it's a poor analogy, but a little bit of an iceberg. Like I started talking to him one night and, you know, I just assumed, you know, assumptions are a terrible thing, but, you know, and be no different than judging quick dick, to be honest off the beard and the look, right? And then all of a sudden you start talking on, holy shit, you got a lot there. And I had no idea half the stuff he'd done. And it was a very, kind of one of those conversations where you're like, I probably need to circle back and, uh, and have a little more in-depth conversation about it.

I mean, I think the thing that everybody can learn from Ben, you can do it without even watching him do it, just knowing somebody does it is you listen to somebody on a podcast, you see somebody to do something cool on YouTube, reach out and say like, hey, I want to meet you. Hey, I read your thing. Hey, this was cool. Because that's all Ben's doing. And it is paying off in spades. And I know people probably hear your show, Sean, all the time and think, oh, man,

I'd love to talk with that guy and they don't do it. But the people that do it, they're the ones that change the world. Well, literally, that is how I got you on. That's how I got Quick Dick on, you know. And I look at the list of Twitter people I've had on. You know, I mean, twos were talking about this just over the holidays. Like, so many people catch your eye. And before I can even, like, pass their tweet, I just like, I wonder if I can direct message them.

And I shoot a message. And then after I sue them a message, my instance thought is almost like guilt-like or remorse. Like, ah, maybe they aren't that smart, right? Maybe I shouldn't have them on. And instead, I just followed through with the initial thought they had. Because if it catches your brainwave that much, it's like, mm, but there was something there. You know, substack's a great way to do it too, because when you can watch, write something that, you know, really sparks something in your brain, that's another thing that, you know, I'm trying to follow up more on. And that sounds like Ben.

well i think yeah it'd be a good guest so yeah i highly support that qdm you you're you're a guy who you i mean like me q you you have done like it just seems like you're everywhere you know um um i'm um i listened to uh uh oh michael campbell uh his show Mark talks. You know, and that's a, you know, a show out of Vancouver, I believe. And, you know, it used to be on 630 Chad here in Emmington for the local listener on Saturdays. Now it's a podcast and everything else. And there, you know, my phone blows up one morning because I'll send cues on there.

And I mean, I just feel like, you know, you're, well, I'm curious what your highlighted 2020 is or what sticks out to you because you've kind of been all over the map. It seems like every weekend you're in a new little town that's right beside. me, you know, you're making a thousand trips across a planet earth, so to speak, or out here in the West at least. Yeah, it's, uh, yeah, it's 2020 was, man, it was a really different year for me. Uh, this, this whole quick tech thing kind of started in 2019. And then, I mean, we basically kind of went into the pandemic. And, uh, you know, I spent a lot of time and just, I had a lot of time on my hands to create content and do a lot of, a lot of different things.

It's just out here in the middle of nowhere and you can't go anywhere or do anything. And I mean, that's just kind of what life is here anyways, right? We went through, you know, 20, which was an okay year, 21. You know, the quick dick thing was really starting to take off. And we didn't have a lot of grain. We had a bad year with crops and everything. So the winter wasn't that busy with hauling grain. And, you know, you just kind of started doing some live shows.

And I really, really got, you know, addicted. I'd call it to do in live shows and live comedy to the point where I was like, geez, I'm having a hard time concentrating on creating content because I'm so involved with doing live shows, right? But that was something that I think both myself and everybody else really yearned to do was to get back together as a community and get together and have events. And that just went into overdrive in 2022. And that combined with a really good crop year and a lot of grain to haul and a lot of

everything going on, I have found myself very consumed by everything in 22, which is the reason that I kind of jumped off social media here just for the last little while because it was just time to, I was just like, hey, I need to take a break from this and get caught up on the rest of my life because it was getting to the point where I was like stumbling over clothes in my house that I couldn't get into a washing machine and stuff.

And I'm like, this is not me, you know what I mean? I don't know if I could pick out a single highlight of 22, but 22 is a great year. And I think, well, let's call it the highlight of my year is being able to go out

and go to so many different places and to meet so many people. You get numb to looking at stuff on social media. And if you ever would have convinced me that there was that many people out there that just, you know, share my sense of humor or, you know, the small town stories that I tell or, I mean, obviously, our opinion of federal government and a few different things, you never would have convinced me there. There was such a large community of people out there that actually watch my content and that I'd take this many pictures with people or sign people's hats or anything. It's just, it's been a very humbling year. and I think it was really good for me to go do what I did in 22 to hit all these little towns and just go, go, go as hard as he can. It kind of sparked a new fire in me and eventually you ask yourself, well, why am I spending so much time creating content? When you go out and experience it firsthand with the reaction of people, you know, I like this video.

I love this or this part that you did. It just, it's kind of relit the fire in me and I'm just ready to give her hell in 23. I feel like I've got a responsibility here now to continue putting out content for this awesome, amazing fan base that I've built. And I mean, hats off to both you and Vance for helping me, you know, reach a larger audience. And I mean, 22 was great. I learned a lot about myself. I learned a lot about the people that follow me. And it's, it was just kind of good to get out and just mile the shit out of my go-to-town truck for a little bit.

You know what I mean? I don't think you needed any help. I think it was, I think you were going place as well before I, I, uh, pull Jan. Although I always do chuckle, you know, I tell this story lots. One is, uh, the fact that, uh, I like to say that I popped a quick cherry because that was the first podcast ever did. And I remember I'm saying, there's no way I'll have anything to say for an hour. And I started laughing.

I'm like, I think you'll do okay. And then the other part of that is, is quick dick to this day is the only guest I've ever recorded where I didn't hit the record button. So the entire first episode, nobody's ever heard because it's nowhere. It literally, we sat and got drunk and talked for two hours and then realized I didn't press record. And then a week later, we did the same conversation, relatively, over again, you know, you, like, that's, ah, just speaks to the person that, that quick is, because he almost

came back on the same night and I laughed and I'm like, yeah, maybe we shouldn't do that. You know, you, you both got each other's first, hey? Yeah, look at that. Well, it's nice that you can do it in private. I want to remind both of you this. You know, I don't do the virtual kind of roundtable feel, if you would. I really don't like the ping pong. So it can go, anyone can hop in at any time.

And I know Vance is a host, and he's, you know, he's got that lean right now. Like he's in, he's kind of in the old captain's chair. Please feel free. If something jumps out at you just to hop in, cut me off, cut out whoever off. I mean, I know what question I want to ask right now. Quick Dick, what did you learn by being in all these small towns? Like, what do you know that somebody that only is seeing these small towns through social media

can't know? I think the whole show is taught a lot of us, myself included. I had it figured out over the first, you know, four to five shows, is that every small town is exactly the same. We think we're so different and that only this happens in Topinil or only this happens and Hill Mond, or you know what I mean? And it just doesn't. It happens everywhere.

I was reluctant to go in the States. I just actually booked some stuff in Louisville, Kentucky, and a couple other gigs because I'm actually excited to get out and meet people like farther outside of the scope of Canada because a lot of the comments and different interactions I received with people that watch my content or relate to it. They're like, it's exactly the same here. And so that was it. That's what I've learned from going out.

see people is we are we are all so similar on so many different levels and even people that are in uh you know in metro areas uh we're we're all very similar we allow social media and different uh you know news media outlets uh to to convince us otherwise and if there's one thing that my live shows have have taught me and hopefully the people that attend them is that uh it's it's it's not true we are all very much the same we have very very little differences between each other well then here's a question for you too because i mean I mean, obviously on the 22nd, when we get together, it isn't a comedy show. It's going to be a throwback, not a throwback, but the first show I ever did was

SMP Presents Solutions for the Future. It was very much informative night, a roundtable setting for people discussing an issue, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the issue we're going to talk about on the 22nd is a rural, urban divide. When I hear Quick Dix say, you know, we all got similarities, we're not as different as we think, you hit one of the things, and I always think that there's probably two things that really divide us. media, pitting us against each other, and then politicians, as we know in this country,

Quick, certainly have not held up some of their bargain. Is that a huge chunk of the rural urban divide, or is there more to it, and I'm making it way too simple? I'd say, I'll jump in here, Vance, and then feel free to take over any time, but I think our lifestyles have a lot to do with the differences of why we're divided so much, is it's two very different lifestyles living, you know, in a very rural setting, like where I live in Top Null, Saskatchewan kind of thing, versus being in the city and in a very heavily, heavily populated urban area. Just how you live your life and how you go about, you know, getting your groceries. I break it down to the simplest thing of what I found is that for somebody

in the city, if you're driving home, I mean, it would turn into a conversation with your, with your partner, partner, family, or whatever you have going on, being like, well, what do we need for supper tonight? I'll swing by the grocery store and get it. Whereas if you live kind of where we do, it's like, well, you have to have that figured out the night before because you've got to pull it out of the deep freeze because there's no fucking way you're driving 17 miles into town to go to the grocery store. You know what I mean? Same thing with the, you know, like just tonight, before I came here, I was, I was at the top of curling rank where you've been shown, obviously, and we were just flooding the ice.

And like that's another thing where in the city you'll go and you'll just pay your entry fee or your team fee if you're going to go curl and the ice is there and it's done and you curl. You have fun. You have a drink. Well, here you make it. You lay the rings down. You do all your thing. You put the work into it and then you reap your benefits.

But look at what we all have in common. We're all going to curl. It's just we experience it very differently depending on where you're from, right? So I think that's where you can really draw that line of, hey, we really have something fundamentally Canadian in common here. It's just how we get to it are two very different roads. And it makes you look at the approach to it just so differently, right? I think that's an amazing way to describe it.

I think of it slightly differently, but I think they're saying the same thing. Like, what people in the city are paying attention to is different than what people in the rural areas are. And it's because you pay attention to whatever is the most important thing to you. And I think that in the city, time moves at a different speed. And this time is creating this sensation that you're not completing things, that something's not quite right. you know, anytime, anybody can relate to the idea, like, whenever you feel super pressed on, you've got a thousand things going on, you want to try and take care of your kids, you got work,

you've got, you know, all these things going on around you, bells and whistles and everything else trying to grab your attention, that it just causes so much stress that you can't think. And I think that the further you get away from these high density locations, the less your attention is focused on certain things. Certainly people in the rural area, can be stressed and have anxiety, but what you're paying attention to and the speed of things is dramatically different. And those two speeds create different frequencies. And it makes it really difficult for people to see what the other side sees or to care

about what the other side cares about. And so you end up dismissing it. And it's because you don't really understand what it is that they're worried about. So you're talking about speeds creating frequencies is that that's a great analogy, actually. Yeah, that's a good way to look at events for sure. Go ahead, Sean. Sorry, catch-all. No, no, no, it's quite all right.

I'm like, I'm wondering how you bring two very similar, as we just said, curling. You know, Darryl Sutter, NHL coach, fans, you kind of forget that he has no idea. And Sean knows I'm not a sports guy, yeah, so it's all good. Darry Sutter's coach of Calgary Flames. He said in the middle of this past playoffs, there's three things that bring people together. One was music, second was church, and then the third was sports. Commonalities where people can probably overcome their differences and unite around something. You know, like when Team Canada is playing in the Olympics, everybody rallies around that

and all your differences seem to disappear, so to speak. Right now, it feels like you just have camps. Rural urban, you go politics, you got conservative, liberal. I mean, in Canada we have a few more options, I mean, but in the states, Democrat, Republican. And it's like, I don't know, am I naive to think that you can't find ways to pull those two together or with the current media and what they're doing and how accessible in the algorithms and all the jazz? You know, and you talk on that different frequencies, as Vance says. Is that an impossible task?

Well, I mean, think about what you just said or where people, you know, have this commonality. And it's either music, church, or sports, which are all things that get people vibrating at the exact same frequencies, right? That, you know, if you go to church, you get in there, you know exactly what the pace is, you know when it speeds up for the songs, you know when it slows down. You know, some churches where you stand up and you kneel, like these sorts of actions you're getting in frequency with other. Music, that one's obvious, right? And then you think about sports, even if it's conflicting people, right? If somebody is reaping joy from the rafters because something great just happened, they're stealing that energy from the other side and it's just going back and forth.

So the question really is, can you find frequencies? Well, I think, and this is not to blow any smoke up your ass here, quick dick, but comedy is really the only thing, right? It's where you get people going in one direction and you see. spin it around and you can get people to see things in a different way. I think comedy is a huge part of this. Comedy is a great thing. I'll circle back to that in a second,

but to your question, Sean, I don't think we beat social media in how it works in polarizing things because that's social media's job is, and we all know how algorithms work on social media. Social media's job is to keep your face buried in your face. phone or your computer or whatever it is and all they're going to do social media is just continually pump you content that keeps your face buried in your phone social media doesn't give two facts whether it's meta or whether it's twitter even whether it was uh dorsey or now musk that's

that's that's running twitter it doesn't matter who it is their jobs to keep your face buried in the phone it's all there is to it right i don't know if we ever win against that no no matter what happens because it's just it's it's big tech whose job is to make a profit off of you but like that's how a lot of large corporations work as well. So that being said, when you talk about comedy, I had a really cool interaction in Wayburn, Saskatchewan with a, excuse me, a comedian that was from Quebec, believe it or not, that they had an outstanding deposit on that they brought in to do this show with me there. And we had a, we had kind of a little bit of a bad goal on the first night because I'd ran over time. I was opening for her and I've never opened for anyone

before you know what I mean and I kind of had the crowd going and we were having a good time so I just kind of lost track of time and and she was quite upset with me and rightfully so because I really don't understand comedy or you know the you want to call it the the group or the clique

or the business of comedy I don't really understand how the respect goes and how you work and I've always just kind of gone into my own thing so I got to learn a lot of things there too she was very concerned that when she came on stage that the crowd was going to be unattentive anymore because I'd gone for an hour and 10 minutes. She said, you'll only ever hold an audience for an hour and 45 minutes and then they're done kind of thing.

And I was like, so she's quite upset with me. And I just kind of talked to her. I was like, listen, we're in Weyburn, Saskatchewan right now. And everybody in this building has paid for a babysitter and they're out drinking. And I can promise you that there's nothing else happening in the town of Weyburn. They'll sit here and listen to you till three in the morning. and a talk. As long as they keep getting beer and everything's fine, you're going to be okay. But you know, this wasn't a comedy club downtown Montreal or Quebec or anything.

You know what I mean? This was Weaver and Saskatchewan. And I made a point of going down out front and sitting there and, you know, laughing and interacting with their show before you know, it's a tight little crowded audience and everybody got into it. And she had them in the palm of her hand for as long as she wanted. Show was over. She came, we hugged, we went for beers the next night before a double header and everything was all good. You know what I mean? So, comedy is you just you really can use it not only to you know to speak to a group of people but look at the two of us that were in a business situation kind of thing and after it was all said

and done we're just kind of laughing at our interaction kind of thing so comedy is great and laughing at yourself and with others and being able to look back on something that just happened and be like you know what that was actually pretty funny what just happened these these are very important things that we do in life you know trying to trying to just be you know blatant humorously honest with each other, right? Comedy is a great one. I should have, I got to do, in December, I got asked by some of the show sponsors to do a Christmas party.

And so I had Sean Lecomber come in from Eminton. And me had this conversation before the show started, and I'm like, oh, man, you know, when you're in Lloyd, this is no knock on the people I'm around. I love my community. But if you want to tease about Trudeau for two hours, people will laugh their ass off. I'd laugh my ass off.

And we had a little frank discussion at the start about Trudeau, and I was like, man, maybe I got the wrong comedian. And then he went up and did this show that was just fantastic, you know, like it was almost perfect quick. And he told me he was going to stay right in the middle, so he didn't talk anything COVID, didn't talk anything politics, he just talked about life. And he had people in the crowd, you know,

that would be the far left leaning. came up to me after the show and say, man, that was fantastic. I can't wait for you. You had somebody far left in your crowd, shown. Come on, man. I would argue I did because these are businesses, right? This isn't just individuals buying tickets. This was business bringing in their employees.

So I would say they're, I'm not saying extremely far left, but I am saying left leaning. And then I had people that are definitely extremely right leaning. And they came up to me after, and they said the same thing. Like, that was fantastic. That's awesome. And so Vance is bang on. Actually, comedy, you know, and you think about it, like comedians have been, you know, you think of Dave Chappelle getting rushed on stage.

You think of Chris Rock getting slapped on stage. And basically how they've been told, you know, you're not allowed to joke about anything anymore. And certainly there are some more raw topics than others. But at the same time, comedy is a great one. When you talk back about frequencies, Vance, of how people can come together. under the same roof, have different views, listen to the same guy or girl, and come out going, man, that was a great night.

It's a good frequency to get somebody on with this show that you're explaining, even if you've got both sides of a political spectrum or whether, you know, whatever kind of spectrum it is that are on two different sides of it, that they're on the frequency of, hey, it's a joke and we're here to laugh. But you need to be okay with laughing at yourself a little bit, too. And I think that's the most important thing about a comedy show or a comedy in general is you have no business laughing at anybody else if you can't laugh at yourself first you know what I mean and that's kind of a rule that I've always tried to try to make fun of myself a lot when I'm doing my thing but it's yeah and that's when I do my show it's a reason why I don't do a lot of Trudeau stuff when I do my live shows because that's what everybody expects for me and I want to change that a little bit you know like we could we could laugh and it's low hanging fruit to me you can make fun of Trudeau like you say for two hours and go nonstop but I mean There's got to be other shit in our lives we can laugh at.

And it turns out there is a lot of it. You know, I think we've said it before in a podcast, Quick Dick. When we're talking to, when you talk about comedy, the jester was the guy that could make fun of the king without getting killed, right? He was the one person that could go point things out. And, you know, I think a lot about this because, and I probably heard me say this before, mobs to me, the act of people getting together and allowing their emotions to take over and get them to do crazy things, that is the scariest thing on earth. I've had a chance to see that several times in my life. And there is nothing that you can do to stop a mob once it's formed.

And there's nothing you can do to contain whatever they're going to do into something you think is going to be good for you. It's just like a fire. Once it gets out of control, you don't control that thing. And to me, like being able to figure out how to vibe people out of mob mentality, sometimes that's getting them to laugh and break free from whatever they were thinking or getting them to come together and do some action. I don't know. But I think about this more than I probably should.

That is my greatest fear is the mob. And I think social media has a way of, you're right. It doesn't bring them into vibe. But because they're all clashing, the only thing that really bonds them together is their anger. And that's what I worry about the most. Yeah, absolutely. I hate to switch topics, guys. Switch gears, let's do it.

Well, I was actually, part of what you said, and I think it'd be interesting for all three of us. But I remember Quick Dick saying to it, and I can't remember. I can't remember if you've been on five times now or six, seven, it doesn't matter. It's okay. I can't remember either. I was remembering, Vance, that there was a point where I was interviewing Quick. and, you know, he was coming on, I don't know, every three months, I would say, when you first started out. And then maybe every six, and it hit, like, episode four with them.

And we had talked about how you'd almost burned out. You got to the point where, you know, like every Monday was coming. And you're going through this kind of like, and I could hear it. I literally could hear it in quick. There was no excitement. And I was like, oh, this is you either had a long date, you're sick, or I'm missing something. And so we talked about it. And it was burnout.

And I hear when you talk about Christmas Q and taking and taking some time off, which I think I just took, this is the first time I've been in the studio in nine days. I was starting to have withdrawals. I was like, I need to, I need to get back in an interview. Yeah, but that's a good thing. That's a healthy withdrawal, right? But I was wondering, you know, Q's is one of the busiest guys I know, or at least that's what it looks like you. And if you're not, I tell you what, you do a good job of looking it. uh vance you're doing you're doing a thousand things an hour as well um have you either

well have either of you had moments where you've just thought about like what the hell am i maybe i should just like not pack it in but you know take a step back almost and i don't mean uh a recharge moment but if it was just a recharge moment for you that's fine uh because i think um you know what i think of a lot of people who started a podcast uh uh i i think of a lot of people who started a podcast uh Because I've been approached a lot about it. They're like, oh, how do you start a podcast? And I've always said, oh, that's really easy. You know, just put a phone down, start talking to it.

You can release it now today. Like, I mean, you can literally release it to all platforms and probably 24 hours flat, maybe less. The tough part comes when you start to add consistency, and now you have to constantly go through it week by week by week. And I think that probably is why, you know, putting or getting weight off or staying fit or whatever it is. reading books. I've had my struggles with, you know, I love reading books, but I'll go through times where I'm just like, I can't pick up. I can't be bothered to pick up a page. Anyways, I come all the way full back with both of you being as busy as you've been. Are there moments like that? Because like I say, with the podcast and people asking me about

it, that's probably what I've heard the most. They've started and then they realize, holy shit, this is a lot of work and they fall off of it. you go first vance you've got kids so i mean i the whole time i'm sitting there thinking like i always feel like i don't have enough time to do the things that i really love and that's like that's the hardest thing for me like i want to put more time into the podcast i want to put more time into my business i want to put more time into spending with my girls i want the time i'm spending with my wife to be where i'm paying attention to her and not distracted and i feel like right now the burnout is coming from trying to do all of these things and not, it's not that I don't feel successful.

I do feel successful. It's saying, how long can you keep this up? Because I'm running pretty hard to keep up with it. And, you know, I'm excited about doing an interview. I'm excited about doing these legacy interviews. But there's times when you're like, oh, I just wish I could just do this. But I have all these other priorities I'm trying to reach too. So do you do you have something you do then to kind of like re kind of focus or do you just drink lots of Red Bull?

To me the most important day of my week is Thursday night and it's because I have a steady group of dudes that I see we have a pattern for how we get together. we it's a very loose flowing thing you got to get invited to come you can't it's not just anybody there that to me is something that's sacrosan and that every Friday morning if you want my most creative time you want my most relaxed my most able to do whatever it's after Thursday night we're going to come back to that because I find that very very very fascinating but I kind of want to hear what quick tick has to say that way if there if there's uh overlap we can combine it cue have you had yeah so like i guess leading up you kind of know my story while both you kind of know my story of kind of what led led me here was it was overload from previous soil field career combined with a

bunch of different things and i guess uh yeah i absolutely find times where i'm like oh like there's been times where i've had myself booked very thick i see it coming in january in february here too where i've got myself booked really thick with live shows and a lot of stuff. It's important for me to remember that when I'm doing it, I'm like, if I'm not busy, I'm not happy either. You know what I mean? I'm a guy that I kind of run on adrenaline and I need things going. And I've found that I need a little bit of chaos in my life to keep me going to.

It's like the fruit of my life is chaos for some reason, right? But the other part of it too is there's even today I had a little bit of time where I was going out. My gear blinds were still out and I had to go. dig them out of snow and get them out of the ground and everything. I was like, I have to get this done today because I had a seat that had to get re-apholstered him on 9,98, 8,500 that I finally got done and it's the fuel tank and get it back together. I'm going on and just like, how can I never have time in a day kind of thing, you know?

But I think I say that to myself at least once a day, all of us will. But at the end of the day, we're all responsible for our own time management. And I'm very fortunate with the platform that I've created because, yeah, like, okay, I used to be like, well, I have to upload every Monday or I have to, I got to get on Twitter. I got to do this. I got to do that. You know, I just, you need to be able to be like, hold on a minute. What makes quick dick who he is, is this life that he lives of farming and hunting and comedy and all this different stuff.

So that's probably the most important thing that I need to focus on because if you lose track or lose focus of what it is, that's the base of what you're doing. The rest of it isn't going to matter anyways. So I just found myself being like, well, so fucking what? I just go out and enjoy getting my deer blinds out. but if you let that take you over, I would have went out. I was in the middle of the bush in three feet of snow with my snowmobile stuck, but out there in the quiet enjoying it. And I just,

I found myself in that situation. I keep finding myself in those situations, whether I'm in the tractor, whether I'm working with cattle and everything. I'm just like, I'm very happy where I'm at right now. And you just need to be able to, for a guy that uploads content to social media,

the last thing I should be doing would be begging people not to be on social media, but you need to ditch it sometimes and just get out and be who you are, whether it's you guys with your families, whatever it is that makes you who you are, you stop, you push the eject button on the rest of this stuff. Obviously, we've all got jobs and careers and everything that are going to pay the bills that we need to do,

but you need to be able to make time to be that person that you are that makes you who you are. And you can't just be in it and not enjoy it or realize that you're in it. You have to be in it and be like, this is my zone. This is my box. This is my happy space. I need to be where I'm at right now.

And whether it's an hour, whether it's two hours, whether it's two days. Take it, be who you are. And I've found that that's the easiest way for me to recharge and get back at it. But what I've gone through previous to get me to this point, I've been able to identify when I'm hitting that box is full point or I'm reaching a breaking point to be like, whoa, I know where I'm at right now. I've got to make this right. I know how to do it. I can get myself back and check and then I can go forward. Right.

So it's very important to be in tune with yourself or yourself. You guys have both got wives and kids. You need to be in tune with yourself and your partner and make sure that you can keep that balance to be like, hey, this is what keeps us who we are. And that needs to trump everything else because if you lose that base of that balance or what Vance is saying, that frequency, like that would be a frequency that you both have with your partners, right? You need to keep that and keep that balance. That'll keep you right. And I mean, that's where that's where my material and everything comes from is when I,

when I'm balanced, right? So. Yeah. When, when, with, I think what I comes to mind is foundation. Like my family is the foundation. If I, if I don't do what's good for Sean, they all suffer. And then on top of that, if I ever lose them, I'll really suffer. And if I suffer, then everybody suffers that follows at least this show, right?

So probably the purest. moment and and I would say it was last night and nine o'clock we had a kid friendly new year's eve party okay so imagine I don't know what it was 10 12 kids racing around and we do a nine o'clock ball drop and parents love it obvious reasons kids love it obvious reasons and they were sitting there blowing their little horns for like 15 straight minutes and uh those that along with you seven hockey practice when you have 10 five and six year olds racing around the ice crime having to go to the bathroom, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's where life is.

I mean, as much as I sit here and have fun, I get exactly what you're saying, Q. I mean, the hardest part is when you have kids and maybe I'm the only dad that feels this way, but sometimes I'm like, I know I've got this time to be with my daughters and I'm really excited about it, but I really wish this daughter would sit the fuck down and like let me do the thing that we need to do so that things aren't burning or you know being lit on fire or your sister is you know like that was the part about parenting that really caught me off guard because you know you hear everybody like oh love my kids I want to be around them all the time and I do and I like I really love my children but sometimes you've done all this work to be there with them and it's hard to

have that zen sort of thing you're talking about quick because you it's a it's an active will to make it happen because you're sitting there being like, I want to be enjoying this, but this little monster terrorist has no interest in what I want here. Yeah, that's, yeah, you guys get kids. So obviously it's a, it's a different game for you guys, right? So yeah, for sure. The three-year-old right now, you both get a kick out of this. The three-year-old was close to being potty trained.

Like, I mean, like that close. And he's had full regress. I mean, it's like, he peed the bed probably six nights in a row, and you're just like, you know, we're going to fight through it. We're going to fight through it. But it broke over the weekend a little days ago. He got in trouble and disappeared, which, you know, whatever. And then I'm like, oh, crap, I bet he went to his bedroom to poop in his pants, right?

I know when he goes to... You know what? I still do that when I get mad at my dad, so that's fine. I walk into the bedroom, and he's laid. a log on the carpet. He just pooped right on the floor, right? He's like, he's like part dog. When I say, I'm happy to be back in the studio, it's like, I got a bunch of orangutans at

home. He pulled an amber herd on you. Oh, yeah. Holy shit. I tell you, when Vance comes here in January, well, I mean, only in a couple weeks, I look forward. You know, he's all worried about his kids and how rambunctious they are. Let me tell you, you're both in for it.

a shock because it is going to be experienced it. How did he get up there? Like, holy crap, is he swinging from the chandelier? And did he just shit on the floor? Yes, he did. And he is part spider. You know, he just climbs. Now, I want to go back to

Vance talking about your Thursday night men's group because we, I've talked a lot about the book club we had in Lloyd. We still have. Sorry, I shouldn't say, still haven't. And I leaned on that support group a lot. It helped me start the podcast, and then, you know, a huge, well, four of the five, I guess, have been on the podcast,

one of them sponsored podcasts, right? Like, it's just been a really strong group of guys that have really supported me. We started up in December, a men's group, I don't know what to call it, but I'm going to use kind of what Vance's words were. A Thursday, you said Thursday night men's group. We've started a similar thing on Mondays, where it's invite only, and it's just you go and talk about difficult things that are going on in your life or their life or whatever. And I've found it to be almost therapeutic, I think, is maybe the word.

You talk about different frequencies and just getting on the same wavelength or whatever else. But having that place where you can say something really stupid, and I'm sure I have said some stupid things in there. But there's no judgment. It's just like, you're wrestling with ideas that are complex. You're dealing with issues with certainly kids at different age groups, maybe spouses, you know, actually I shouldn't even say spouses because really that hasn't really come up that much. It's been more kids right now at least or societal issues. And that maybe bond with a group of guys, really interesting because I find that I look forward to Mondays now, like a lot.

And I didn't think I would. I'd be like, ah, we can, you know, I just meet once a month or whatever, and now I'll be good. And then I got the taste of meeting weekly. And I'm like, I really enjoy this. Like, I really, really enjoy this. Yeah, I mean, our Thursday nights are some of the most intellectually stimulating that I could imagine, right? You get around people that you respect and they have knowledge in areas that you don't know anything at all about. One of the guys that comes regularly as an architect, another is data scientist.

You know, then you've got guys that have other expertise and you, you know, kind of conduct a podcast, but if you've been seeing these guys over and over and over again, and they've explained to you stuff they really care about, stuff they're really interested in, and then they tell you what they've been working on, and then they tell you how far they've taken that. So, you know, you get to hear people doing inspiring things, realize, like, oh, if that guy can do it, then I can do it.

And it really just pushes you. We've been meeting together for almost 10 years now. 10 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's 7%. And all of our spouses, everybody understands, like, it's Thursday night. I don't set business meetings. Like virtually nothing gets in the way if there's a night.

How many guys? How many guys are meeting? Well, we've kind of figured out that four is the optimal number. Three is a little bit too small to have like some good spinning. And then five, what ends up happening is people break into the group of three and the group of two. And so four is that like perfect number. And people have subbed in and out.

But there's two of us that are, have always been there. and then we've kind of kept the other two seats. In person? Always in person? Yeah, I think there was like two or three weeks where we did some stuff during COVID when we like really didn't know what was going on. And we met online.

I'm wrestling with this idea that I think, I don't know, you guys tell me maybe I'm out to lunch. I think, like the family is the foundation of a community and then healthy communities make up a healthy country. Something along that lines. I don't know if that's the exact way, you know, to make it sound so eloquent. And what we have is communities aren't really healthy right now. They're not really functioning properly.

People are really going against each other. But in fairness, like we're wrestling with really complex things, and it's not that big of a deal to have a disagreement with somebody, to talk them out, see for their perspective and everything else. And so I, this Monday idea with a group of guys is kind of like, I think the best way to protect a community and the people that I love is by bringing together people who want to have it out somewhat in a respectful manner,

because it will only breed good things. But I don't want it to be just four people. I want it to be where any guy, and I mean, who knows, maybe any girl, I don't, I don't know, can come be a part of it, challenge their beliefs so that you're, community can be healthier. Does that make any sense? I've said this before with you, Sean, on podcast and live too. I think the most important thing that we'll ever do as a society or as a community or as

neighbors is to have, is to have like disagreements with each other, a difference in opinion and be able to be able to talk it out with each other in a somewhat respectful manner. It's what's really missing. it's another thing that I have a real big problem with social media over is that there's just there's no way to have respectful conversations with anybody because it seems like the only goal of of anybody nowadays is to one up the other person and not only to try and prove them wrong but to embarrass them by trying to prove them wrong it seems like you're trying to one up somebody by doing it I wouldn't say I'm completely innocent of doing the same thing when you look at some of my YouTube productions and whatnot but like what I really noticed over the last little while is the most important thing that you'll ever do is is to get yourself sat down in front of somebody face to face, you know, that you disagree with. And if you can't find common ground with them,

at least try and put yourself in their shoes and understand what it is that they believe and why it is they believe in where they might be coming from or what form that opinion that they have, I think that's the only way that we'll go forward from where we're at right now as a society. And even this, this is great to be here and do this, you know,

online kind of thing, but what you're doing with what SMP presents with your live conversations or even if you get somebody that's in studio with you where you're sitting across the table from each other. These are things that change how you interact with people. And that's why it makes sense to me what you guys are saying about your Monday nights or your Thursday nights that you're live in person with people. And that's that's an interaction that we're slowly losing as a humankind is you are a different person when you are in front of another person.

and the words that you use, they may have consequences, whether they be emotionally, conversationally, physically with what you're doing. Those are conversations that are so paramount to have nowadays. I would say there's nothing more important with what you guys are saying about your nights that you do. They're great. And I would more so rather do those kind of interactions with people that I have nothing in common with and completely disagree with. because the last few of those interactions that I've had have ended dramatically positive.

And I think that's, if there's ever any way that we break out of where we're at as a divided society right now, those would be the tiny little stepping zones that we used to do it. Well, you're a guy, Q, who's found some of those outlets, right? because of your ability to once again use comedy to talk about really difficult subjects to allow you to go on to different shows that wouldn't lean so heavily to where I sit, right? And I don't even think I'm that extreme, but you get the point. You both know where I... No, I don't think you are either, Sean.

Yeah. But you've been invited on to a lot of different platforms that a lot of people wouldn't have the time of day for. And I find that really interesting because, yeah, well, I... you have an interesting perspective because we've had a lot of chats. And you've challenged a lot of even people that I would like to see you go on. Well, not that I don't want you to go on there. They're just like, oh, that must have been interesting, right? Like, I mean, to go on knowing that it's going to be maybe a little uncomfortable,

I guess it might be the world. Yeah. Well, like, yeah, like, well, you know, I just, like, I just jumped on a maxed out podcast with Max Fawcett. With Max Fawcett. Of all the people that you would think that I would not have a. conversation with. I've honestly gone out of my way. I'm not just the guy that says empty things. Like I've said this to you several times. It's important to me to try and find some way, shape, or form of common ground with people that have a completely different opinion of you.

And it was a reason, you know, it was a reason that I went on on Jesperson. You know, not that Jessperson's a far left hack kind of thing, but I mean, he's got an audience that he needs to deliver his content to, right? we had a great interview. I think a lot of his fans weren't happy that he had me on. And that's fine. You're not always supposed to be comfortable listening to things, right? But I was shocked that Max Fawcett had reached out to me.

And I think it was that conversation with Jasperson, because obviously he's been on Jasperson kind of thing. So he would have seen it. And it would have been like, well, I want to test the waters too. And I think that's slowly winning. I mean, Max and I actually, you know, agreed on a few things that publicly on Twitter, or whatever you're never going to have Max agree with me on kind of thing. But when you get that face to face,

and I would have given anything to have been in Calgary sitting across a desk from them because these are conversations where you're being real people with each other. We can do this because we all know who each other is and we're comfortable with each other and it's no problem, right? But like when you get the person across me and all of a sudden, you don't have somebody that's scrolling through their phone trying to cite different research and graphs and all this different stuff,

You're just talking about kind of what you know. You're talking with a different person than what you are on social media. And I'm looking forward to that coming out. I'm looking forward to seeing how it gets edited or how it goes. I think it's going to be a great conversation. I went through the first two ones that he did and they were fine. But I'm just looking forward to just to see what kind of a reaction it's going to get. You know, I never concede to anything that I don't believe in when I go into these conversations with people.

but that being said, I'm not closed off to having my mind changed or having me think about something differently in a critical manner. And I would just ask the same thing of the other person that's in that conversation. You know, on this specific one, you know, I exemplified to Max how I am penalized. Just if you take the farm out of everything, I'm penalized by the carbon tax living where I do in rural Saskatchewan. And what are the solutions going to be? and he couldn't answer to that, right? So, like, and that coming into the conversation, all of a sudden, we found ourselves in a situation

where we start finding common ground with each other. But all you need to do is just put those facts in front of each other and be like, well, like, what do you feel about this? I'm not trying to one up you. I'm not trying to disparage you. What would you do if you were in my situation? And we both asked each other that same question. And I had some different answers for him in the same light.

So, like, having those conversations, asking each other those different questions. This is how we very, very slowly just start to, if not change things, at least fucking understand with the other person where they're coming from, right? My issue is I have invited on what I consider a lot of people from the other side. And I get crickets. I get a lot of people that want nothing. Now, I might.

That sucks. But I might argue with myself that it may be. I try harder because, you know, I don't know about Vance. I don't know about Vance and Ben, how you guys do with getting gas. And certainly I- Actually, I'm curious. Can we get Vance to answer that now? I'm curious to hear this. You know, I'm not in current affairs as much as you are.

I'm much more on like evergreen concepts where I want to know from an OBGYN, like, hey, what does a person need to know about their wife about to have a baby? Or there's these education systems that I'm trying to educate my. kids. So I occasionally will find... That's fair. But like that being said, Vance, like you've done, you've done biofuel ones, you've done nuclear ones. Like, like, you've done some ones that are on kind of hot topics, too. Sorry to interrupt you, but I just wanted to throw that. Okay, I guess that's fair enough. Like, I think, um, I don't know. People don't tell me no, but I think it's also because a lot of

the... Well, aren't you a fucking savior, right? Well, I think like what I was saying is that I, I early on had some hardcore science. on and treated them right. And those people told all there, like, people that might view the world differently than I do. And I almost never have a cold ask. So, like, I, you know, I'll reach out to a quick dick or, you know, Sean Newman or whatever. But, like, that's not, you know, it's typically like, hey, I saw this thing you did and I thought it was awesome. That's kind of already warm. And if it's somebody that I think, like, I will disagree with, it's almost never cold. It's almost always from,

hey I think you know this person can you help me meet mate them that is that's a brilliant idea though because I always ask cold I have a I have a I don't know guys it might be like something I just need to get over but I don't like forcing not forcing but like getting somebody to ask somebody I'd rather go cut out the not the middleman but not have to like What's the word? Middle people kind. Yeah. I don't want to have to put somebody in a spot where they're like,

you know, like I normally don't do this. So I really tried hard to, you know, instead of getting quick dick to reach out to Vance, I have to Vance. And I hope my product that I've been doing and who I've been and how I present myself in an introduction and all that catches someone's eye and they go, oh, this is interesting. And saying that, what you just said, Vance, it might be, you might be bang on on there. When it comes to somebody who doesn't agree with me, even though I'm going to allow them to speak their mind.

And I think, you know, like anyone who listens to this podcast, at some point, they've had somebody on here that they disagreed with 150 million percent. That's healthy. That's good. But it allows, I try and give everybody airtime to say their thoughts. I try. But when it comes to the other side, maybe I should be asking people to help with that a bit more because that is the trust they need to come on.

No, Sean will be fair to you up. Come on his show. Yeah, but he had, you know, because Rachel Gilmore on Twitter, her and Jeremy McKenzie went at each other. And I had Jeremy McKenzie on, and of course Jeremy has said some things and then to jail and everything else.

But I reached out to Rachel like immediately and said, hey, I'm bringing Jeremy on. I'd love if I could have you on and you could tell your side and just like you can't be as awful a human being as everybody tries to paint you on social media, right? I'd really like to have you on. I think out west here, people would be interested to hear what she said and she would not respond. And I'm like, I'm not. But in saying that, if there was a way to facilitate somebody talking to her who could vote for me because she would feel maybe a little threatened that I'm going to, you know, she's going to come on. I'm going to rip her a new one or then maybe that's not a bad idea event so that's I actually really like that I mean having somebody vouch for you and say like and that's what they're

doing and I can understand not wanting to impose gosh I hope I haven't but you know as I'm hearing you talk I actually was asking myself a question like who is somebody that I'm actually afraid to ask and if I ask myself that question and I listen really carefully to that like quiet voice in the back of my mind because at first I'm like nobody I'll talk to any on anybody's side but I actually think one of the biggest cultural conflicts that's going to come in the future is between generations and I'm finding that even though I'm 40 talking to somebody that's like 15 16 17 maybe even a little older 22 24 because I hear their problems I'm like yeah yeah yeah but you don't know it's not it's not that you know or like you know have you turned into your dad

Is that what's happening? And I think there's a whole bunch of people that are that like there was just an article in the Washington Post today that was all about how this latest generation, Gen Z, you know, they have anxiety. They have all these problems. They want somebody to come in and solve their problems for them. And I started thinking like, I can't imagine anyone from Gen Z would describe themselves that way, right? That's the way that old people describe young people. but I think the reason they do is because if a kid wanted to tell me what they really cared about, let's say anime, or they were talking about like different Minecraft games or places they go on the internet that I don't know anything about, I would definitely discount it and not actually be able to speak their language. I'm not saying like, hey, young whippersnapper, come tell me what's up. But like actually knowing and being able to carry on a conversation about people that they know about and they care about, I think it would be really hard. I think I would be intimidated. by that.

I know exactly who I was in, when you said that, the first reaction I had is, I'm afraid to fucking ask anyone too. And then I have to backtrack on that. Because both you know my stance over the last two years. And I had been pushed by a lot of people to go out and interview different doctors who were pro-vaccination.

And I had one coming on and he no-showed. and I would say if it had been either of you or a list of hundreds of people have come on, I've been no show before and I've always been like pretty gracious about it.

Like, my life happens. And, you know, honestly, it probably wasn't meant to happen today. Our conversation will be better than next day.

That's how I pretty much approach everyone except for them. After they no showed me, I was very like, oh, fuck you then. And when I think about it, I was in,

I was probably, what terrified me about those conversations and still do is it felt like a prize match. I had Dr. Governor on who was from Lloyd and he was, you know, pro-vaccination at the time, I don't know now, but we were having this very, I felt like I was, if you would, fighting Mike Tyson or something, you know, like, or at least that's what I built him up to be, even though he's just nice. So you were getting ready to bite his ear? That's right. And I walked in and people wanted me to swing at his head and knock him out. And that has never been who Sean Newman is.

Sean Newman wants to bring on people to say things and, you know, and certainly can have conflict. You know, I think lightly having conflict about certain things is healthy. But I know when you talk about the inner voice of who you didn't want to talk to, Vance, in the last two years, I got to a point where I was, I didn't want to talk to the other side anymore. I was done. And honestly, there's some things going on in our country right now that I am done with.

But in saying that by actively not talking to people, that is probably about as unhealthy as it gets. Yeah. I guess if I could jump in here quick when you, like, to go back to the Rachel Geller more thing. I'm very fortunate and I'm confident going on these different shows that I agree to go on and talk to anybody. because to be perfectly honest, I'll talk with anybody. Whether their goal is to publicly disparage me or whatever it is, I'm confident. I don't rely on quick dick for a living.

And all I've ever been since I started doing what I'm doing is I'm just being who I am, and I am who I am. I'm fine to be corrected on something that I've got wrong. I'm open to listen to other people's opinion. And I really kind of, I mean, not to disrespect. anybody, I kind of don't give a fuck what anybody thinks about me. You know what I mean? I'm just me.

And if you don't like it, that's okay. I'll still drink a beer with you kind of thing. I'm just a friendly kind of guy. But when you look at a person like Rachel Gilmore, I mean, they're so-called social media personas is how they make their living and how they've got to where they are. And I think that's a, that's a very dangerous thing when you get to a point where if you're discredited too much on something maybe that, you know, somebody can. prove you wrong and something you've done or maybe you can't back up your facts being live or

doing something on the spot, it puts them in a dangerous situation where all of a sudden their livelihood is compromised kind of thing. I'm not in that situation. A lot of people aren't, but a lot of people are. And I think that's a dangerous thing in society. You shouldn't be backing something that maybe you don't 100% believe in or that you can't be comfortable with being wrong in and just blindly backing it to a point because you're just doing it because that's what your livelihood depends on. It should never be that way. You should just be okay with who you are doing your thing and be able to go forward with it. But I think that's a big problem with what we have with a lot of media that we see when the interview with Rosemary Barton with Justin Trudeau.

I still want to get to the bottom of what went on there because is that CBC to the point where they've been so discredited that they're like, hey, they sat down with Trudeau before the interview and they were just like, here's what we're going to do. Everybody knows that you pay us $1.6 billion fucking dollars a year. So we're going to make it look like you don't for this interview. And I'm going to throw some heat at you, okay? And Trudeau would be like, yeah, that's fine. And then they just go at it kind of thing.

When you see stuff like that, you're like, well, there's no way this is real because it should never be. Rosemary Barton has never fired at the prime minister like that ever before. Well, why? Is it because she's legit pissed or has some good points of what we're going on? Or is it just because this is a ploy to just make it look like the CBC is not in the liberal Cox's pocket. Like that's where you start questioning things.

When I hear that Rachel Gilmore won't go on different things, I'm just like, well, does that mean she's that fake that she can't go on and do it? Or is she self-conscious? Is she worried about her livelihood? There are two very different things. If you have one person that's worried about their livelihood or how they're going to pay their bills, I guess I don't blame her, you know?

But you just said something that, oh, go ahead. No, go Vance. Yeah. You said something that just broke my brain. So maybe about a year and a half ago, there was a woman from Harvard that came out with a couple of other professors and said, homeschooling is the way that they are indoctrinating children with like these right-wing extremist views. And this, I don't know if you guys saw this article, but it like went through American ag like social media like wildfire because there's a lot of people back here that homeschool. And so I wrote this woman because all these other people were mad.

They were doing the Facebook thing of like, I want the author to know this, like writing fake letters to them that these people never saw. They're up in their ivory tower. So I got on Harvard and found their registry and found a way to write this woman and wrote her an email. And we had like an initial back and forth. And I think when she realized like I certainly am not homeschooling my children and I, but like I was going to represent this. other way of thinking. She shut it down completely. It was like, no, no thank you. I'm not going to connect you with any other authors. You know, this is all over. It had never dawned on me that she put that out there and then when she got actual resistance that she was afraid for her livelihood.

I just thought it was like, nah, I'm not going to talk to this little, like little guy. I never thought about the fact that like, it's entirely possible that she was intimidated by that. and I was really bitter and resentful. And even saying it out loud makes me surprised that I didn't realize this. Yeah, like, I don't know. I don't know. That's just the way I've tried to look at things. I mean, Sean, obviously, we talked about it earlier here in this podcast where I kind of

had a turning point of how I look at things. And I don't know. That's just been one thing that I picked off. The Rachel Gilmore thing was obviously one thing that I looked at. But it's not just an isolated incident. There's a lot of them out there, you know, where. this is this is just it. This is up people make their living.

And like, you know, if you ever were discredited or it didn't work for you, I mean, that fear should never get in the way of the truth, you know? It never should, but it does. Could we see, and certainly I wasn't around 100 years ago, so bear with me here, could we see a bit of a revival then of people who get, people who are confident enough to stand in their boots and go on different shows and everything else. You know, one of the ladies that I've spoken high about, and I mentioned it when we were on stage cue, was Rupa Subramania. If you follow her,

she's fantastic. Yeah, she's gone on a ton of shows where they come at each other. But she's, you know, this nice lady who's got her wits about her, essentially. And don't get me wrong. I don't agree with everything. She writes or everything she says, but you don't have to. She's very honest with what she does, and that's good. And she's open to being criticized, and I would say being back and forth. Anyways, is there a possibility we could be seeing a rebirth of, like, I'm pretty open to talking about anyone. You know, certainly I had my stint in the dark days of not wanting to talk to certain people.

But, you know, like I'm not afraid that my name's attached. anything anymore, right? Like, I bring people on to hear them out, to let them share their story. That's the whole point. That's the whole point of journalism, not to try and gotcha and headline and carry on.

But when you say people are fearful for their livelihoods, at one point in time, didn't we have journalists that went and did what was, I don't know, I'm afraid to say truthful or right, but that kind of

Let me help you finish it. Yeah, you're going down the line. You just wouldn't objectively reported what's happening. And that's why I think whether you're probably in the no advance of like mining Ottawa. And like you've had Tom Corsky on a couple times. I've got a lot of respect for Tom Corsky and Holly, Holly, Don't. They do a great job of objectively reporting. You go back far enough.

They actually, they've done the same objective reporting on a conservative party as well. You know what I mean? It's just they monitor who's in government and what's happening, right? I really hope that's where we go. But I mean, this is, man, this is so crazy how this has kind of come to fruition here in the last a while. But two years ago, I sat in this very basement where I'm at with a family member of mine who was maybe concerned about where I was headed with the direction of my channel and what I was

doing. And I told them, I was like, you know, I've got a plan of where I want this to be and what I want this to do. And maybe if that day ever comes, you might be proud of me. And if not and if you hate it and you still don't agree with it, that's fine too. And I feel like I'm slowly getting there. But this stuff, this stuff takes time, you know, and it takes a long time. And I think the biggest challenge that we're going to go through, you know, as humanity,

trying to navigate, you know, our divides and social media and what the world is turning into. We as humans need to evolve with all the stuff as fast as it happens. And right now, technology and social media and how it influence. influences it is it's evolving faster than we are able to adapt with it as people, you know. And I think, I think we're going to see a very slow change. But if we can, if we can keep that change happening, eventually the social media phenomena is, is going to hit a max where this is, it can only influence you so much. And then if the, if the conscientious, you know, goal of, of humankind kind of catches up

with that. It's just like, hey, you know, we can, we can still talk with each other as people. I think we, we might be able to circumnavigate it a little. bit, whether I'm just thinking philosophically now or just having some kind of a dream, I don't know. But that's really where I see things going, you know? And I disagree. Go ahead. I think, like, I read a book called, Trust Me, I'm Lying, where it was like the history of journalism. It was by Ryan Holiday, the guy that writes The Daily Stoic, and he wrote that Tell All book about Peter Thiel and Hulk Hogan suing whatever magazine. Anyway, the book itself, trust me, I'm lying.

was about like the funding model of newspapers and magazines and how it all began. And I genuinely think there are people that when they set out and they were in journalism school or they wanted to go out there, they wanted to report the news with these objective principles, but that the funding model that was maybe there for a few years when subscriptions really were trying to get the middle of the bell curve. So we didn't want to be too far left and we didn't want to be too far right. that the journalism thing, like, has never actually been a pure thing, and it's been a fiction that we've been fed our whole lives. And so I don't want to, I don't want to, like, come down

and say, like, it's not positive that people could come. Do it, man. But I actually think, like, it's just not the way that we understand information. It's not the way we understand the world. In fact, I think we don't have any idea what to think about individual events that go on in the world, we listened to news commentators to tell us, okay, these events have happened. Now, which ones were red and which ones were, you know, blue or green or orange or whatever that is, because I'm on this team and I need to know how do these events map to my group of people? And most of the things that we have really strong feelings about, we don't even understand even the slightest beginning of it. We were just told what we should think about it. And almost none of us are immune

to it. Would you say, would you be able to draw that same? parallel events into politics. Let's say they're journalists, I guess basically you just did, but like to narrow it down a little more, they're journalists that get into journalism that go into it being like, hey, I really want to make the difference here. And I want to objectively report the news, but once you get into it, it gets back to the same thing of, I don't think journalists or politicians should be able to vote because you're biased immediately to your side kind of thing, right?

But I honestly think that Sean and I have had this conversation before where like I honestly believe that there are politicians that get into politics that want to go in to make a change to make a difference to make the world better. And once you get into it and you're immersed in it within the first couple of years, you realize that it's this huge, huge system that you're just never going to be able to change. And so instead of either getting out of it or some people get out of it or you just are submissive to it and you're just like, you know what? I guess I'll just sit down and take my paycheck and say that I'm for all this stuff, but I mean, I'm just here for the pension and then I leave. Do you feel like it's the same thing? I think systems are so powerful that they ratchet down, you know, some of the strongest, you know, minded people because they play to your every instincts. And people can get away from it. Sean, you did, you know, Quick Dick. You're finding ways to diversify your life and, you know,

break away from it. Maybe a modern age does let us get away from the system. the system is so powerful that you have to consciously make every decision in your life orient towards that. And even that, even trying to make your every decision be oriented away from the machine telling you what to think means you've already been consumed by it. It's a very difficult needle. I'm not being very happy. No, but I agree. Like, I mean, even now, like I kind of go home, man, this goes off into quite a different trajectory here. but even our finances as humans keep us connected and committed to the system kind of thing or whatever, right?

Which is really going to be neat about this roundtable on the 22nd because when you look at our financial system works, I mean, at the end of the day, you can take all your money out of the bank, you can do all the stuff and try and be financially out of the big wheel of what you want to call it. But I mean, you still need a driver's license to be able to compete legally in society and have a social insurance. number and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? No matter how much you want to be able to break free and be your own person, you're always going to be a part of a cog in the big wheel of what is government or what is social media or media that controls the world. It's something that's an impossible thing to escape, you know?

Well, that is why Sean inviting Steve Barber is mind-flowingly good. This is like, I cannot tell you how fucking. crazy excited I am to meet this guy. If there was one person that on Thursday night, their name has been brought up the most consistently, it is Steve Barber. Because years ago, a guest that you had on the podcast, Rob Long told me, you know, one day somebody's going to figure out how to capture all that energy from flared gas. And they're going to be able to put that onto a pump and turn it into Bitcoin. And that is going to be when we have digitized conservation, we've digitized energy, and whoever is living in those oil fields up in Canada is just there's going to be unbelievably

like world changing and what do you know if fucking your buddy Steve barber a sponsor of your podcast is does this and we're going to get to meet him I'm going to get to meet him at this event I cannot tell you how excited I am because this is a guy that looked at the world and said the system isn't working now there's this new thing Bitcoin not only am I going to learn enough to figure out how it can improve my life, but I'm going to go out and build things and build a business around allowing this to proliferate. I don't think your neck of the words could possibly understand that you have a national treasure there for whatever nation ends up coming up as a result of the changes going on in the world to things like Bitcoin.

Are we going to let Sean talk to them? We've got to been stopping all over here lately. No, no, it's good. It's funny. You know, worked with the Western Standard for two and a half months, right? Did nine shows with them. And I, it was a mutual party. You know, I just, I wanted to remain Sean, essentially.

That's what I would say. Western was, I still love what they do, right? But one of their critiques of me was I'd have a roundtable, and I had one where I didn't talk for probably 40 minutes straight. I was the Terminator. I just sat and listened. And one of, you know, one day I hope I'll be like 50 and I'll be a little more assertive when we get into things. But I feel like I'm trying to learn all the time.

Like I'm listening to you and I'm like, yeah, I respect both yet. I'm like, this is an interesting little conversation. I'm the eternal optimist. And what does the eternal optimist got me? I don't know. I look at, I wonder how much disruptors play into everything you're talking about. You know, when it comes to media, when it comes to politics, when it comes to whatever. Look at what Daniel Smith, and I'm going to use Daniel Smith as the one,

look at through a series of events, she goes from, you know, media personality, kind of political commentator to the premier of a province in the course of like four months and has completely disrupted Canadian politics to where the West, Saskatchewan, Alberta, are really finding some teeth in Canada. Now, she's got to get elected again,

but if she does, the West is going to have teeth here for four more years. And, you know, that was something that if you'd done the traditional way of politics would not have probably been possible because I agree with everything you guys just said. But here was an outsider who didn't carry some of the baggage of lockdowns

and everything else, walks in, apologizes, and said we're going to do these things, and has she done everything beautifully? No, I'm sure there's some things that people out there are upset about. But if you listen to her talk, it's been really, really interesting.

And I wonder if media isn't something similar. You know, you talk about the podcast is one thing. But there's others on the rise that weren't, you couldn't have planned for. They're not going through the corporation to get up to, you know, the host of the evening news. They're not doing that.

I'm not doing that. Are you talking about Andrew Tate now? on? No, I'm not talking. I'm not talking about Andrew Tate. We can. I just, I don't know. I look at it and I go, what? Why did Andrew Tate come into the conversation? Well, because he came up out of nowhere, right? And the establishment clearly didn't want him. And like he exploded, became the most, you know, Googled name on Earth. Like, that was, I don't, it doesn't seem like he was a part of the corporate establishment. Maybe it can be done. Well, and then, uh, Andrew, Andrew Tate just got arrested too as well, yes?

He got arrested? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They read him because they said he did like sex trafficking, which who knows? I don't know how I made all that money. Maybe he's like a horrible, you know, but whatever he did, he figured out how to hijack the Matrix for at least a little while to pay attention to it. Yeah, well, I don't know.

I don't know. That's the eternal optimist in me. I watch Joe Rogan, right? obviously you two know I'm a big fan of what he does. I mean, literally, I just put out a post today that, you know, I finally found it. After, in 2019, I listened to an episode of his. It was not a great episode. I'm not going to sit here.

It was Annie Jacobson. She was talking about, she wrote in a book about the CIA and Project Paperclip, I believe. And it wasn't that fascinating of an interview. And I remember being pretty critical of Joe Rogan. because he hadn't read her book or something. And anyways, but he had this three minute. And now it's a three minute clip.

And now it's on my wall. That's exactly. And I found it literally like over the holidays. Somehow I stumbled. I'm like, oh my God, that's the woman. What episode was that?

And then I listened to it. And then I listened to it. And I'm like, here's Joe Rogan, who's inspired me to do what I'm doing. And I just believe in that side of humanity, that good part. of us, I mean, I sound opi, dopey, I don't know.

I just, to me, if we ever lose that, I think we're really doomed. And I think certainly there's the establishment way of getting to the top, but there's becoming more and more independent ways through, uh, through the internet that allow you not to have the baggage to get to the top.

Does that make sense? I, I'd see, uh, like, specific to your, to your comments on Daniel Smith, I mean, obviously she's been on your podcast a few times, uh, uh, First off, I get, I think you were saying that you've been having a hard time getting her back on, which I mean, obviously, we should understand, right? Because when a person becomes pre-dribor every province, you should understand, yes.

You're going to be busy. But that being said, I think that's a big thing. And I think that's a big thing that, like, I'd be able to draw parallel to in Saskatchewan here. Sorry, Vance, now we're going to start talking Canadian provincial politics here a little bit. But even with Scott Moll, you know, like, you can't get too comfortable. and even with Premier Smith being as new as she is, you can't be too comfortable all of a sudden being like, you know, Sean,

I know I was on your podcast lots or whatever, but I mean, I'm very confident in my voter base of your podcast or whatever, and I need to focus on Calgary. Now, whether that's one of her, one of her associates or assistants that are looking after that for, obviously would be one of her comms people kind of thing. It's perfectly fine.

That's what happens when you get to be that busy of a person, but the worst thing a politician will ever do is, is kind of start abandoning their base a little bit. I think it's a day. thing. I mean, there's, there's no danger whatsoever in Saskatchewan, even for our provincial premier to do that right now for the simple fact that, I mean, he's, you know, he's over 65% of the province supports the SaaS party. And I think he's at 56% approval rating in Saskatchew, which is really well, really good right now too. But, uh, I even find myself in some situations where

I'm starting to get a little bit pissed with some of the stuff that he does, you know, and, uh, I think that's important as, uh, you know, as, as, as a voter who is voted for the, for the current party that's that's governing our province it's important for you to be very critical of them just as critical as you are as the opposition kind of thing right when it comes to daniel smith and and you say you know she was kind of doing political commentary and this and that like we can't forget that that she spent a lot of time in politics previous to her media persona kind of thing so i think she was in a strategic point where she understands politics very well and knows how to play them very well right uh she's definitely upset the apple cart with a few things uh has said a few things that

even caught me just being like, I'm sorry, what the fuck did you just say kind of thing? You know what I mean? I think parts of that are good because it gets people thinking and on their toes, but parts of that are really bad because that's a, that's a dangerous thing as a politician to just have a population that would be your base and then say a few things and being like, I'm sorry, what the fuck did you just say? You know what I mean? Sure, I would agree with you, but I think politicians in general,

don't say shit anymore. It is fucking frustrating. They come on. They say what they're going to say, and then they walk away, they pat themselves on the back, and you're sitting there as a voter base going, like, what the hell is they just talk about?

You've just come out and made a completely neutral comment, kind of thing. Let's offend nobody. We're just going to stay right in the middle, and people just want you to talk. And one of the things that Daniel Smith has done exceptionally well is she's talked about the really, really difficult things. And has she gone right every time?

No. But then she's willing to talk about that. And she's going to be like, oops, I got that wrong. Or this is what I meant. You know, actually, this is what I was trying to say. And social media is a funny little animal because what they'll do is, no different than what a lot of things will do. They'll clip it.

And that's what they'll play over and over again. And they'll never show the full conversation. One of the beautiful things I think about a podcast is you can say what is on your mind. Talk about it. Get asked about it. And oh, no, this is what I meant. And then people can come on and listen to it. It's one of the things that I love about this platform.

is when somebody gets framed as the worst human being on the planet. I think of Alan Iverson back in basketball, Vance. I don't know. I know, Alan Iverson. Okay. Remember he had the, we talk about practice, and that was the clip they had. And if you watch the documentary on it, he sits there for like six minutes talking about things, and the reporters won't let it go.

And as soon as they get their answer, they clip it, that becomes the headline, the most evil human being on the planet at the time. And when you go and watch it, you're like, man, I feel for that guy. Anyways, I go back to politicians. So what they do is they stay in the lines. They say fucking nothing. And it's awful. There's nothing there.

You want people to talk. People like people opening up and talking their thoughts out, but having the ability to understand that maybe they aren't going to get it right 100% of the times, listening to new people, explaining things, allowing to talk. I don't know. I'm really for that. Yeah. And I think that's one thing that's been really, really disheartening to watch the media do with Daniel Smith is to go back, you know, like four years or whatever it was on a fucking podcast

that she was doing on her own, on her own page, not associated with social media, be like, oh, well, look what she said here. Holy fuck, was she Premier Alberta then? No, she wasn't. Would she say that right now? No, she wouldn't. Can we let it go next step here, right? That's where things do get pretty frustrating with that whole thing. And you're absolutely right. Yeah, this, a lot of people, I, it's one of the changes I'll probably make to social media when I get back on social media after my break here, which I don't know when that's going to end here yet, but we'll see. Because I'm really enjoying being off of it.

It's great. But, like, people will tag me in reels and videos and all the stuff. And I just, I have no time, no space for it. It drives me crazy. Quick Dick, did you see this? And, like, it's to the point where I don't even look at him. I just delete them now. Delete it.

I just don't want to see it, right? But I know that I'm getting sent a tiny little clip of something that somebody said. And if you can't give me the entire conversation so I can see what the context was of what they were talking about it when they were talking about it, I don't want to hear it. And like, that's another dangerous thing about social media is you can just take one tiny little clip out of something that somebody says and put it down there and you're going to try and vilify that person off that. That's not the right.

And those tiny little clips are so much easier to create. create now and share than they ever... Totally are, man. It used to be the only people that could do that was the 6 o'clock news or the whatever. They had like an editing truck and they could do it really fast. Now, you know, I've got like a 13-year-old that does my YouTube clips and he can like... Shit, I thought you were just saying you had like a 13-year-old kid. I was like, Vince, I feel like I missed the chapter of your life here, man.

And like, but all he does is like take what my guest was saying and cut it all the way down to like what was the good part. Well, imagine if you had somebody nefarious, you just cut down to what all the bad part is. We've made that so possible that, yeah, kind of like we said in the beginning, social media makes it so nobody's ever going to be able to have beyond the same frequency.

Lots of people do that. Even like Sean, you're like with Jordan Peterson, you're a big Jordan Peterson fan or whatever. And you see a lot of his Instagram reels and a lot of his stuff where it's like, it's a lot of cut, cut, cut, quick to the quick little quip here,

quip there kind of thing. But that's what keeps traction on social media going to, right? Yeah, well, it's a healthy balance, isn't it? Because for so many people, they don't have, or it's not that they don't have, they just, it doesn't entice them maybe as much to sit and listen to us to Yahoo's, or us three Yahoo's, sorry, talk for an hour and a half or two hours or whatever it turns out to be. They'd rather just, you know, oh, here's the little snippet. This is what, you know, was maybe for most people the best part, if you would. And for them, that's all they need.

Oh, okay, yep, sounds good. Like, carry on, right? Like, give me the cliff notes. When it comes to Jordan Peterson, I think Joe Rogan said a bet, like he needs to do long form. Because when he does really short things, and obviously his team is clipping out the best,

but when he does very short-form things where they get to clip it out, they've made him look like he's fucking insane. And yet when you talk to him, or talk to him like I've talked to him, hey, universe once again, Jordan Peterson, 2023 would be really nice. Either way, when you,

uh, Have you been in touch with any of his team? Have you broke through? Oh my God. This saga, you know, Keith Morrison, I'd ask. Keith Morrison took me, I think, six months. That's the guy from Dateline, right, with the deep voice.

Yeah. Anyways, he had ties to Lloyd Minster of all places. It was super cool. Oh, shit. But it took six months. But I've always said this. As long as you can get an email back, you can start a conversation, and you can start, like, you know, like, okay, well, just give me the direction,

and at least I know him on the right road and whatever else. the probably most frustrating thing about Jordan Peterson is I've sent ridiculous amount of emails, ridiculous. Haven't had one response. Just say, just even say, thanks for your email, we'll think about it, or whatever his team would say. And I assume he's getting millions of emails. I have no freaking clue.

Haven't had a single response, not a single one. And I've gotten to where I've had a guy say, I can get you the email to at least the gatekeeper. and they're going to decide whether or not an email goes through. And I'm like, okay, well, I mean, shit, that's at least closer than I've ever got. No response. And it's just like, I hope, fellas, I really hope someday I'm never in that position. And in saying all that, I have no idea what that position is because I have no idea how much mail that guy gets.

But yeah, it sucks. I've tried, you know, and I lean back on my Keith Morrison story, it took six months of emailing. And being like, nope, very understanding. I realize I'm a nobody. and carry on. And finally, I got a half an hour with him, which was super cool. And I remember being like, okay, I got a half an hour with you. And Keith was like, I don't know, is that, I got all the time.

And I was like, that shit, right? Well, now it's half an hour, right? Super cool. But no, Jordan Peterson. And I know Vance has his own story about Jordan that, you know, I think a lot of the listeners earlier on thought was, you know, like, wow. Because that was- I haven't heard it. Oh, no.

I don't want you to redo it if all the show-in-law is heard it. I knew about him way early on. And so I invited him, the American Farm Bureau came to me, the new president. And he's like, look, man, I want to make it exciting at the American Farm Bureau. And I was like, really? Like, he was like, yeah, I want to push the envelope. I'm like, you want to push the envelope? And in the meantime, and the people at Monsanto won't tell you this.

But they, I have been sending senior executives videos of Jordan Peterson and then being like, yeah, this is awesome. Send me more of this. Like, we're talking like the people that ride in the private jets, right? Like those guys were fully on board with Jordan Peterson. So was the American Farm Bureau president, Zippy Duvall. Because I was like, this will really be edgy. This will be fun. Now, this is before he went on Kathy Newman.

And I'll probably talk about this at the event on the 22nd. But let's just... Okay, well, don't get too much of it away then. We should suffice to say that he came and, I'm imagining he's going to talk to you with parents about what's going on when you send your kids away to college. And they come back and they either hate your farm and hate everything that you're doing or they've been completely isolated away from the other students. They're told they're bad. The farming is bad.

So that's what I told him. And up there, he starts writing all these capital woke words like diversity and inclusion is our strength equals like the devil. And I'm like, oh, oh, God, oh, no. Because these are all things that Monsanto supports, right? So, so a lot, like, it went like, boom, and it blew up. And so, yeah, I thought I was going to lose my job. Like, it was pretty best. That's fantastic.

Because he didn't, it wasn't, like, the long form is what you need for Jordan Peterson. Because if you just clipped out the 30 or so seconds where he's totally dismantling all the corporate woke slogans that Monsano had. Well, you can understand why so many people hate him, because it's super easy. Another guy that a ton of people here in Canada hate is Jeremy McKenzie. That is an easy guy to take like 10 seconds out of any video he has, and people fucking hate him. And yet, he is one of the smartest guys' balance that I've talked to on the podcast. And I don't know.

him a clean bill of like he's done nothing wrong. Just when you talk to him, you're like, wow, there's a lot more depth than what you put on in a show. That is 110%. Yeah. Go ahead, Vance. Sorry. Well, you're a different character in this whole world, but I think there are a lot of people

that the reason that they are well known is because they're willing to be hated. And I mean, like, you could get a lot of your views heard a lot more if you were willing to be like, you know, half the people that aren't going to listen to 45 seconds instead of just the 15 seconds, they're going to hate me. about I don't care because I'm famous. You don't have to do that quick. It doesn't seem like that to me. Yeah, well, like, I guess thanks.

I appreciate that, man. But, like, as far as things go with Jeremy McKenzie, as balance of a person as you can be, or however you conduct yourself, I mean, there's certain lines and things that you say that it be cross them. I'm just like, okay, I'm kind of done with you, you know? And I might watch from a far kind of thing,

but there's just been a few things that that guy's done and said that I'm just not with. And there's a lot of things that that guy does and says that I 100% agree with and I'm wholehearted to believe her in. But there's just lines that you don't cross. And when you cross a few of them, I'm just like, okay, well, I just, you know, like what's he doing? What's this guy doing that's pushing you all the way out to the?

I'd see, like the dividing line was the Indyipoli of comment that he made. Just like, you know, I just, I just, if he hadn't heard from him, he's just, to just comment that he should you just, you know, we should just go raper kind of thing. So, like, that's, like, there's a line and then you cross it. And then I'm like, listen, no matter what you say, there's no coming back from that. Yeah, okay.

Fair. Touche. So Jeremy Vance is, uh, is, uh, is, uh, army vet, um, East Coast. For whom I have the greatest respect for because of his service and, and what he's done like, like, don't get me wrong here, but there's very, very opinionated. Um, and is, is, you know, when I try, when I ask, uh, Quick Dick, uh, about something that I think is, you know, I can't remember. I, I, I, the last one I think that, uh, when we and twos had him on, we were talking about, uh, cow farts or something. And then Quick Dick just totally fucking dismantled it. I was like, shit, you didn't even let me get my, my thought out. Anyways, uh, with, with, with, uh, with, uh, with, uh, with, uh, with, uh, with, uh, with, uh, uh, with, uh, uh, with, uh, uh, uh, with, uh, uh, what Vance is, uh, uh, uh, uh, what Vance is talking about, what quicktickickick is he got drunk on a, like a, like a live, like a live feed with a group of his friends and in the drunkenness, that's what I'm going to call it anyways, he talks about raiding the official, uh, oppositions leader of the official opposition's wife.

And it's, it's like a eight second clip. You can hear the guys in there go, oh, or like, oh, like, you know, like it wasn't, you know, and then what happens is, you know, that gets blasted to the entire world. he is probably the most notorious Canadian right now right alongside probably you know I don't know I actually don't know like it's either way but when I talk to him and I you know for me I'm like I'd like to have him back on

and I'd like to ask him about that I really would because I'm like that was I think everyone in their dogs Was that post your guys' interview? I can't remember the timeline there That was post oh yeah that was post That was honestly the day that I interviewed him last quick dick. It was like less than 24 hours and he had an arrest warrant come out for him. And so I had a ton of people. There was some weapons charges there too. Was there not? That's the. And so people were like, you got to pull this interview. Why didn't you talk about

this? You're not talking about what? And I'm like, does anybody know what I do? I record and then I release. I don't live stream. How would I know that? I've been down that road too. And that's like, I like, I refuse to take anything down that I've ever put up. I'm just like, no, it was there. It was relevant at the time. I'm leaving it up. Right. I mean, if I had them back on, and I hope to, I really won't ask him about that. Because I'm like, to me, like, anyways, we can sit on that topic for a long time. You know, you think about people in the social media world where they can do something wrong. It can be bad.

And it can be replayed forever. And so there's never any forgiveness. And like, if there was one thing that is deeply important to Western civilization, it is the ability to forgive people and say like, all right, you're back in the community because otherwise we're just fighting to the death. We're just mobs and whoever has the largest group that can say who's in and who's out. It's bad. I don't know whether this guy wants to be forgiven or any of those things, but like we have definitely allowed social media to make it so a person can be hated for as long as their Wikipedia page mentions, you know, first that that's the thing that they did. Like to a certain extent, I'll agree with the advance,

but like, uh, like part of it that I won't agree with is it. There's certain. things that you can say or whatever and you can be like okay well maybe i can come back from what you say uh and you know words have consequences to a certain extent but uh there are some actions that that people uh can carry out for which i will never have forgiveness for uh no matter what you know uh words yes okay to a certain extent but i'm always going to have that in the back of my mind of what you maybe once said but when it comes down to actions uh if there's things that you do that you carry out as a human being. There's there's some things you'll never come back from with me. Yeah, I mean, I agree. I mean, I think like, I think that forgiveness is important and it's

more important than just for the person, but for the hate you carry with somebody. But there are actions that somebody can take that you think to dwell or spend any time on these ideas are so dark that it wouldn't, it wouldn't be good. But I won't go so far as to say, say, like, that I would be able to forgive anyone. I just think that forgiveness is a very high value that I think we're losing as a culture. I agree with that, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And it's been, especially lately here, you know,

you see a lot of the, in Canada here specifically with a lot of the, you know, the killings of police officers and, you know, James Smith, Creenation, some of the things that go on. There's, there's things that go on that, you can't. get past, you know, whether it's addictions or whether you had a bad childhood or all these different things. I get it. I understand it. I have empathy for it. But at the end of the day, if you go out and stab 12 people or you go and you kill a police officer or some of these things happen, I, I do have empathy for maybe how you're raised or how your lifestyle got you to where you're at kind of thing. It just, there's there's just no end result that can make what you did okay or equitable to what your past was kind of thing. And, and I'm done with you. You know, Yeah, I don't know. Trying not take the podcast too dark here, but Sean did tell me that I was looking very dark

when I signed on tonight. It's an interesting thought. You know, it's, is there an ultimate line that you can never come back from? I absolutely think there is. You step across this and, you know, Christianity is founded on there. I think, maybe I'm wrong on this.

Maybe I'll have listeners, correct me, but like they're founded on. Not that there's no line, but the line's pretty far because you can be asked for forgiveness in Christianity and come back from pretty much anything, can't you? Well, this is the philosophy that René Gerard, who's this French philosopher, he pointed out that Christianity created a system in which forgiveness could occur for anyone, that God himself would allow forgiveness and that this keeps you. from mob action and that that was actually one of the social technologies that that was created when

Christianity proliferated was that it was like all right there's a reason they brought that woman into the into the like town square and they were going to stone her for her being evil and bad and conducting you know I think she committed adultery right so this is tearing away the family you know destroying the fabric of things so they were going to stone her and they say whoever's without for you know sin cast the first stone And I think that that reason that is such a powerful story is it doesn't go into the depths of like, yeah, well, what if a person did X or Y or Z? Would you forgive them then? It's just making sure that you're aware in your own humility of your own human frailty and your own weakness and your own ability to do bad things and to be very, very careful about judging people. But I say this as a father that if there's somebody hurt my daughters. I hear you. I mean, when it comes to kids, Well, when it comes to kids, there's a line and don't fucking cross it, right? Like, I mean, I think any dad, any parent, heck, any upstanding citizen probably knows that line. Like, we're all going, you don't fuck with that line.

I feel like that line exists. And I mean, obviously, I don't get it to the depth that you guys do with both of you having kids kind of thing. but I like me personally, I experienced that line basically with any type of humanity kind of thing, whether I see somebody I've had it happen to me many times where I'll come across a situation where I might not know one person or the other person or what's happening in the situation, but what I see one person doing to another person, regardless of what context led up to it, they are crossing a line that I have deemed not crossable and I have intervened in the past. and will continue to intervene in the future.

Maybe someday that might, you know, cause me some harm as well. But, but I think, but I think Vance, Vance, quick, geez, I think, I think, defining your lines is a good thing. I think it is too. I don't think enough of us think about that at all. Like, you know, like, where is the line? Is there a line? Is there a line? I think we all know where our line is though.

It's, I think we all know where our line is. And I think it's whether you have the, it's whether you have the strength to cross it at the time or the fortitude to cross it at a time. Or maybe you can, you can break down the situation fast enough to be like, well, is it worth it crossing the line right now considering the situation that I'm in kind of thing?

I mean, I've been in a couple of situations here, you know, just in the last little while. Or it's just one person verbally abusing. another person. And I was just like, you know what? That is, that's over my line. What's happening right now. And I, and I intervened and it ended fine. You know what I mean? There's been some other situations where it's come down to physical violence where it's a physical violence thing. And you're like,

I don't know you and I don't know you. But I know that this is crossing my line and I can't just be a bystander here and let this happen. And I think, I don't know, I think we see that a lot in society now where there's a lot of people that are just comfortable standing back and recording it with the phone versus being like, hey, this is wrong and I'm going to do something about it. Whether you should or not, I'm not, you know, condoning that either way. But I'm just saying that I like, you know, I feel like I'm a person that knows where my lines are. And when they're being crossed, I feel it's my job to do something about it. I think that I would firmly distinguish between responsibility and forgiveness.

And I think like what you're talking about quick is like, hey, you're in a circumstance. You've got to make decisions. What are you responsible for? And part of that comes down to like, what kind of man are you, right? And like that, sure, I'm 100% in agreement with that. What is your responsibility to making sure that justice is carried out or that someone isn't allowed to go free or receive something? And forgiveness being something different, something altogether like beyond being just regular.

It's what allows you to not be an animal. It's what allows you to be a sentient being in some important way. That's a very important. important point, Vince. Absolutely. Yeah. Sorry. Keep going. Yeah. It's a very good point, man. This has been a fascinating closing in on a couple hours, fellas. Holy shit, really? It's almost, well, here's almost 9 o'clock, you know?

So I want to end with this. Crude Masters back, you know, for another year. I've got to give a shout to all my sponsors that are coming back, Because like, without all the support of all these different companies, I wouldn't be doing this full-time. I'm different than I think a lot of, you know, probably full-time podcasts. They rely a lot on their audience. And I certainly love my audience and they've been fantastic. But I've tried to take the burden off of a lot of people that are, you know, trying to make their way in this world and dealing with, you know, lots of different issues.

and I've been maybe fortunate enough to have businesses reach out or vice versa and support what I'm doing. Anyways, you get the point. Crudemaster has been one of them and they've signed back on. So shout it to Heath and Tracy because, you know, some days I don't make it easy on these businesses. You know, some days I wonder if I, you know, enjoy watching everybody squirm. The final question normally is what do you stand behind, but I feel like I've asked it to both of you before. So I guess, you know, I'm looking at 2023 and I'm wondering, what do you hope comes out of 2023?

Gee, that's a pretty, you know, world peace and all that good stuff. I guess, you know, if you were hoping, no, let's not use hope. Let's say you have a goal set for 2023. What are you hoping to accomplish in 2023? You ready, Vance? You want me to go. You hit it. Yeah, yeah, you go.

I want to reach a different audience is what I want to do in 20203. I've spent a lot of time, I'd say, creating content that relates to my base of subscribers or people that wear quick dick shirts and want to hear me, you know, roast the prime minister and do a lot of these other things. my goal in 2020, is to have a minimum of four productions that I make

that make their way to the places where they need to be. I do a lot of time creating content that that's great and relatable for rural, you know, Western, Central, Canada, into a lot of places in Australia, the States, to everybody that watches.

I mean, thank you so much. But I want content that people who need to hear what I'm going to say or need to see what I'm going to show them, that I don't offend them and make them shut it off right away in the first five minutes because I say fuck this or, you know, kind of thing. I just want it to be me being a guy that's concerned about the livelihood of a lot of things that we do around here and the importance of them.

And I just want to be able to share that and communicate it to a different audience. So my goal for 2023 is to just reach a part of that audience that will watch to the end and hopefully look at it and be like, wow, maybe I should have another look at this. That's a lofty goal, but I mean, that's a good goal. It's a big goal. But I ain't afraid of it either. I'll try. Yeah, well, I mean, you're, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, you're talking to a guy who lost, I guess I'm sitting here stumble with my words because I'm like, I literally started a podcast talking to hockey players and it complete an utter 180 and lost probably 90% of my audience. I shouldn't say that. There's probably a lot of you who've hung on for the ride, but it has been a ride. And trying to find a way to bridge a gap to get to a different audience will most likely be very uncomfortable. That's all right. Some of the underwear and jeans I wear are uncomfortable from time to time. It's just because I've drank more pills there since I got home. Vance, I mean, you look deep and thought that. Well, in the last year, this business that I started doing these legacy interviews, which you're really familiar with

when I sit down and record somebody's life stories, we've been able to increase the value of what we deliver to somebody in ways that, like, I didn't really think we're possible. And like, if I can just keep going, that to me, a year of good, hard work dedicated on this craft, like, that'll be a successful year. just keep everything that I'm doing. I'm not trying to reach for more. I'm just, I'm trying to do what we're doing really, really well. That will be a wonderful year. It'll give me time with my girls.

Give me time with working on the podcast, but it really allows me to hone a craft. And that's something I'm, I'm grateful to have the opportunity to do. Yeah, you said, you said two words that I've been told, and I find it interesting. They pop up usually at the right times. Just keep going.

or maybe, maybe three, just keep going. And it's funny how important those words really are, because sometimes when you're, you know, I listen to, you know, different guys talk about, you know, DROCA or some different guys on Rogan that talk about, you know, on the worst days, just go. And, you know, like, I don't want to, but you go anyways. And there are days like that on a podcast.

There are probably days like that in recording either QuickTix videos or the legacy interviews, Vance, where you're, you know, is that having that in farming. Yeah. Things like that in cattle. I can say that much. We're just having an off day, but you go anyways. And, you know,

yeah, well, here's, here's the 20203 fellas. You're the first podcast at 2023. I'd take in what had been, like, geez, I say I hadn't been in the studio for nine days, but I think I haven't recorded in close to two weeks now. So this is the first new content I've had, and it, you know, this is about as tight to a, a deadline as I get, you know, Sunday night here for the person who's a lesson rate to the end.

And we'll spit it out. We'll stay up old school Sunday night here, so it's out for Monday morning. Hell yeah. I look forward to seeing what you two guys do in the future for 2020. And I'm excited to have you both in Lloyd on the 22nd. I'm like, I wonder if we're going to sell any tickets to you. I assume we will, but, you know, quick take made fun of me. This is probably like, I don't know what it was.

a year ago when I said, oh, yeah, I'll release tickets two months before. And he's like, oh, only two months. I'm like, ah, any longer than that, and people, like, it's too long. And now I'm like, I got like three weeks. You've got three weeks, folks to, who knows, maybe we'll be talking to an empty building, hey? Just us three sitting there. Intimuth setting. That's right.

That's right. But either way, look forward to seeing what you guys do. Look forward to having you here because I think it's going to be a ton of fun to be on stage with you and get to interact. As much as I love this, nothing. Absolutely nothing beats being in person. And I've become a little bit of, I get what Quick Dick talks about the stage. I mean, Vance, you talk all over the place. I thought I would be petrified of that thing.

And it's kind of become the new rink. Like, I love the vibes that I get from being on stage and interacting with the crowd. Like, that's a ton of fun. And for QuickDick, it's probably going to be laughter. For Vance, it's probably, I don't know, head nodding, I'm going to assume. And for me, it's when they're completely. Completely silent and they're all leaned in because I've created something with a group of people because it's not about me. It's about the people you put on stage that they're interacting in a way that people want to hear more.

And I find that fascinating. Either way, I'm judging. I'm looking forward to getting to meet Stephen Barber and advance, obviously, to meet you in person is going to be awesome. I mean, it's been an honor to get to get to know you as a friend here over the last couple of years. You too, Sean. It's been great. I mean, you know, the bike for breakfast thing was awesome. Then it's led down to us meeting up a few times. And yeah, it's just the universe works in crazy ways. And it's been really an honor to be able to get to circle up to you guys here.

So looking forward to meeting Stephen and whoever else is in the audience. I hope there's a bunch of people that were at the last show that are in the audience too, that I just didn't have enough time to stop and say hi to kind of thing. And really looking forward to it, Jens. Yeah, I mean, just meeting people, man, like the type of person that's listed all the way to the end of this podcast. You're the type of person that's going to want to hang out with other people like this. And we'll hang out and have a great time. So that'd be great.

Yeah, whoever made it to the end, I'll buy you a beer. You watch 200 people show off and quickticks on the tab. I call bullshit. Yeah. And if that's the case, perfect. That's good. That's going to be the start of show. Raise a hand.

A promo code. Raise a hand. Did you happen to catch the end of that? Who caught the end of the podcast? Raise the hands here. Do you want to put out a little code word so they know? Yeah, it'll be, uh, yeah, it'll be, uh, promo code will be quick dick is for me. Quick, there you go.

Quick dick is for me, uh, January 22nd here in Lloydminster, Goldholz, casino. Check it out in the show notes. Boys, I'm looking forward to having you. Thanks for giving me some time tonight. Always fun, uh, you know, interacting with you too. And now I'm getting to do it this way too. And quickly here, three weeks or less, uh, once again, it'll be a lot of fun. Yeah, looking forward to it.