Shaun Newman Podcast - #369 - Drew Weatherhead

Episode Date: January 12, 2023

Black belt in jiu jitsu, host of the Social Disorder Podcast & author. We discuss solo podcasting forces you to format your thoughts, living your purpose, the vital nutrients we are all missing & atheism the strong drink where at the bottom you find God.  January 22nd SNP Presents: Rural Urban Divide featuring: Vance Crowe, QDM & Stephen Barbour.   Get your tickets here: snp.ticketleap.com/ruralurbandivide/ Sylvan Lake February 4th Tickets/More info here: https://intentionallivingwithmeg.com/sovereignty Link to Kindle version of Drew Weatherhead's Book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BS5FWLBK?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420 Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500

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Yeah, we're still cranking them out in a week two at 2023. We figure, what the heck? Let's, you know, it just seems like there's great guests sitting around every corner I peer behind. And they keep coming in and everything else. I'll see if I can keep this pace for another week. And either way, really enjoying it. I've been enjoying being back, and I hope you're enjoying the content as it comes out. I want to remind everybody, SMP Presents, featuring Quick Dick, Vance Crow, Steve Barber,

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Certainly there's going to be tickets available next week, but only a few, because we're going to push as hard as we can go until we hit a certain number and then, you know, buy a few extra tickets past that and then try and sell those as well. That way we, you know, don't over-extend ourselves. So if you're thinking about buying a ticket, you know, you've been, you're sitting there and you listen to radio and you're like, dang it, Sean keeps talking about these tickets. And, I mean, Vance Corone, QDM is Steve Barber, oh, man.

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This is Drew Weatherhead and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Drew Weatherhead. Geez, almost couldn't spit that out. How is that possible? Anyways. Hey man, thanks for calling in from the cab of the truck. A pleasure, man. As always, I'm happy that you were willing to do a virtual.

You know, it's sad. That seems to be my life right now. I'm working out some kinks on trying to get a few more in person, which is slowly working. But when I've been kicking out four a week, the odd five a week, I mean, I sit in Lloyd Minster, so it's going to be virtual. Like it's just no knock on Lloyd. I just people are everywhere and I'm not. in a giant city that's you know got through traffic and airport well i mean we got an air we got all these lovely things but you know what i mean anyways yeah um well you do you do guests on every episode don't you yeah yeah but only you will be episode 369 nice and um nice and uh um why i mean everything is everything is virtual like i i don't know like like It is what it is.

I don't know. Yeah, you were talking about even possibly driving all the way down to the great state of Texas to do this in person. I wanted to. I just didn't want to do it in January, maybe not even February, right? Like, I was hoping I could push it. I'd even throw in the idea by my wife. And she's like, yeah, give her. And I'm like, boy, you know, like, here we go.

I haven't done an SMP road trip since 2020. That's when I went up to Vancouver Island and I think I did it over like the course of six days or something. Like it was a ton of fun. Like I mean, just you know what you're living in. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's something about road tripping that is its own form of like in the moment nostalgia. You can kind of see the moment passing in front of you in a way that you can't or at least it's not as obvious when you're just walking around what's familiar. when there's something that's new that's passing your eyes at all times, it's just you're so

locked into where you are. Yeah, it's an adventure. I mean, I search for an adventure. It's certainly different when you're, you know, you're in the same place, same area day after day after day, but something about hopping on a podcast, especially with different guests, as you pointed out, like in 369 when you're back on, or when this finally airs, I mean, not when you're back on. Out of all those plus all the Tuesday mashups plus the archives, it's probably 400 and something. I've only ever done one solo. And, you know, I'd ask,

I'd ask you, yeah, I'm pretty proud of that. I, I keep saying this, Drew, and I don't know, but then I listen to you and I'm like, man, you got a gift for the gab in a good way. Like I, I'd ask you what your favorite episode you've done in the last little bit, and we can get into that. but I've always, and maybe this is a terrible thing to tell yourself, but I'm like, nah, I just want to keep learning. I just want to keep learning from people. I want to see what they have to say, and I'm slowly formulating my own ideas as we go along.

But then, you know, you're hitting the episode you sent me, know thyself. Yeah. I feel like fortuitous timing, you know? Like I feel like there's a lot of that going around right now. Yeah, I want to hear your thoughts on that for sure. Well, I've been, the listeners, the podcast, no, I've been, we started this, I was in a book club, still am in a book club, you know, 2018 to now, so what's that, frick, almost five years, I would say, roughly, somewhere in that ballpark.

I think it was February when we started, memory serves me correct, I can't remember now. And so I've been fortunate to have my ideas and inner self challenged a lot. And yet when COVID came, I was, I argued just as hard with that group, harder than I argue with anyone else, right? So like, I wasn't ready for it. I didn't have the tools, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So you fast forward to where we were in this December, 2022, and we started up, I got to come up with a better name. I keep saying this, but I really do. But it's just a Monday men's group. We get together. It's very similar to the book club, but it has more structure. So you meet for 90 minutes, same time, same.

day, same format, and it's very structured to force us to stick to topics that we bring up. And it's forcing you to get to know yourself a little better on how you think about things, because there's some very opinionated people. Good, all good, not bad. I just think what you're talking about, know, know thyself. And once again, I'm, I'm, you know, let's see if I get part of this right, at least what it's stuck out to me is like a lot of us don't know where our line sand is, was, will be in the future. And that's a lot of internal dealing with yourself internally. And most of us don't spend time like that. I didn't. I mean, I talked to all these people and I'm kind of like wish washing. You know, and so we started up a men's group here. And it has been, I'm just really

proud of the idea. Well, there's something about not just discovering where your line in the sand is. But in the midst of that discovery, if you're being honest with yourself and looking at where it is and sort of musing upon why it's there, oftentimes, I think almost all the time, you'll find out that you weren't the one that put it there, which is its own revelation. And then you have to ask yourself, well, why is that there? Should it be there? Who put it there? What was it serving for them to put it there? And I think that what the real takeaway should be for everybody and for all times. COVID was just a great example of when you have the chance to work on this or, you know, how much you've worked on it before that.

That's another topic. But you should always be looking at that question. And it's not wrong to question it or even to move the line if need be. Because a lot of times, a lot of people, and I talked to it in that episode talking about the difference between nature versus nurture when it comes to personality traits. There's certain parts of you that you were just born with genetically. There's predispositions that, you know, you know, you're just born with genetically. that you can't really change. And that's its own struggle. But the other part, which is supposedly 51% of a person's personality is nurture, which is more or less peer pressure plus some

traumatic events. Those two things basically make up over half of your personality. So what that tells you is kind of two important things is one is a lot of what makes up who you think you are, who you actuate yourself in the world as was influenced by other people, which then sort of predicate somebody else's opinions into the way that you project yourself to the world. But the other and second most important thing, I shouldn't say second most important, the second and most important thing about that is that if it could be nurtured into you, you can nurture yourself as well because that's the malleable part of your personality.

So if you find something that you don't like, it's like, man, I don't know why I'm, whatever, mad at this particular type of politics or whatever, you know, you find something that's like, this really gets on my nerves. This is something that I have to work on. Or I have an opinion that maybe it turns out wasn't really mine. How do I change that? This is the type of introspection that I was really trying to focus people on because if we have the ability to mold about half or 51% of what makes up who we are and how we view the world, we have quite an amazing opportunity to change

how we view the world because everybody views it differently. And this is part of the discovery process too, is how do you view it? Why do you view it? Should you view it that way? Can you change it? What would be different if you did? You know, here's an observation. Because it's been, it has been, you were on episode 243. So, you know, I, you know, my standard, hey, Drew, let's give your background, right? You want that? Let's go back to episode 243 while you're sitting in, I can't even remember where you're sitting at that point in time. Anyways, you're sitting in the same truck somewhere in the States at that time. It was right before the convoy left. And then, of course, 260 was the second time you came on. We did that in person, which we both can agree, is always better.

But, you know, digress. One of the thing that's been cool to watch, and I've watched you do it, and I've watched another guy who does solo. Actually, and of course you guys have guests on as well, but everybody knows that I'm 99.999% effective. Anyways, I do guess, right? And if you listen to Drew and the social disorder, you'll notice that he's, I don't know what the breakdown is, but it's a lot of solo.

Yeah, it's probably 75% solo at this point. And what I find fascinating, and I've got to think about this, Because you guys doing solo podcasts, it forces you to format your thoughts. Like to, you know, I'm sure in your, in your, how many episodes are you at now, Drew? Just crossed 200. I think we're at 207. Hey, congrats.

That's a big number. I mean, who. Yeah, that was under a year too. We're coming up on the year mark in February. Yeah, you're, you're, I did 185 last year. I thought that was insane. You're at, yeah. So, and my goal, what's your goal for?

2023 because me and you had this conversation about a podcast today. It has more to do with reach than it has to do with numbers, to be honest. I want certain guests. I want to get certain numbers. And really, like, between you and me, both of us are doing this full time. So this is just like any entrepreneurial venture in the way that the ceiling is only as high as you put it above your head, right? Yeah.

So how many, but somewhere deep down in the back of Drew's head, I know you're like, I would love to hit this many episodes this year. Ah, yeah. Well, for me, it's more of a workday thing. And my work schedule is five days a week like any other job would be. So Monday to Friday, I do a podcast and I don't get to call in sick to work unless I'm just like dying on a bed. You know, so for me, it's, it was a replacement of what was a work ethic that was burned into me for the first, I don't know, 15, 16 years of my days in the workforce that I, I always prided myself as a good worker, as someone who knew how to do something when I don't want to.

And I think that that has built a rigorous foundation to actuate my own dreams upon, which was something I discovered myself. I didn't know that I was able to do that until I had to. And it turns out that I had this structure already built from my 20s and early 30s. I was like, I'm actually a really good worker. and when I'm working towards things I want, I'm like the best worker I could hope for. I know that feeling. Well, I'm going to go back to this.

I'm going to rewind this. So you guys doing solo podcasts, I feel like in 100 episodes since I've talked to you, I have more profound thoughts, but my way of articulating them hasn't ran at the same trajectory as the thoughts being input, right? I mean, 100 guests, 100 different people, roughly. You kind of get the point.

Like, I've talked to a lot of people, a lot of different thoughts, a lot of different info coming in. But by not articulating it over and over and over again, I feel like when I listen to you, I'm like, man, you have grown. And that is super cool. Like, it's really cool to listen and watch. Not that you were a dumb guy before. That's not what I mean, folks.

Just that if you go back and listen to the green, of Drew from Podcast 1, well, I guess episode 243 to 260, which were relatively close, to now almost a, well, half a year, three quarters of a year, you can hear it. And I'm like, that's super cool. And one of the things with the men's group, which I've said since the beginning, is we don't, we don't iron sharpens iron, right? Yeah. And as human beings, we don't wrestle with thoughts enough. A solo podcast. castor does it five days a week. Yeah. Yeah, it's its own skill for sure. And to speak to your point, I had kind of experienced this in a different arena before that in the martial arts instruction, which was my full-time gig for a few years after I left the oil field and before COVID crushed that. But basically, it's a very similar learning curve because you intrinsically, kinetically know how to do certain techniques from your own experience. The difficulty is not the application of the technique.

The difficulty is to elucidate that through verbiage. So it's the actual choice of words. And I think that's what you're talking to when you say, I know the thoughts. In fact, it's pretty profound, but putting it into words is incredibly difficult. And I had that experience not just in Jiu-Jitsu, where I had to teach, you know, 17 classes a week.

and same thing, you would have to pick certain words that meant the most, that could get the most information across in a short amount of time so people don't get lost in the weeds. And you had to have a different version for the kids and you'd have a different version for the adults and yet have a different version for the women's class. And it was really important to find those well-worn paths that made the most difference.

It was all about efficiency, right, trying to get as much information, useful information in, but still have it best, represent the thoughts that you're trying to have it portray. Yeah, it's, it's been a fun little couple weeks here, folks. Like, I just feel like, uh, 2023 is gonna be full of possibilities.

I know some shits coming down the road. We all know it. But, uh, I feel like, uh, some of the things being talked about right now, give me a lot of hope, like a lot of like, you too, me, I'm feeling that a lot right now. Yeah. Uh, to me, to me, um, it's,

just like some things have almost just clicked true. And I don't know if that's exactly what's happened, but I just sense it, feel it. I don't know what it is. You go back to the collective idea, right? Of like, who about the idea there? How do I stumble on this? Or was it my idea to begin? Well, probably not. But you just, you look at that thought process. And it's like, we started up this men's group. And then it was just like, I start seeing them pop up in places. and I'm like, that's a really good idea, right? Like, we're doing that. If that happens everywhere, what happens is more men,

and I'm going to speak strictly to men, more men start to deal with the mental warfare that is going on. And that is hard to pull out of your head, even when you can hear Jordan Peterson rattle it off, and you're like, yeah, that makes sense. Or Drew starts talking like, yeah, that really makes sense. Like, that's a profound skill. And 1,500 years ago,

they probably needed it but so many men went to war they just you know pulling out the sword and we're going and in today's world it is not that society our war is fought through words and thoughts and i mean sure it was back then but like today is on steroids like we just i mean we all discussed things and ideas are complex they were complex back then but you know you just think of some of the things that we got affecting society and attacking us from and you know Canada like Canada's got some, we got some doozies right now. Yeah. Well, this, this kind of opens up a massive vista when it comes to the idea of ideas.

Because this was something that I've been interested in for years and years and has been, I guess, digging at me over the pandemic for sure because a lot of us were left in our thoughts. I mean, I was stuck in an empty gym for the better part of 17 months and just would go there every day. and I guess try to do something that was useful, but most of all, I was just sort of considering things. You know, it got, first of all, kind of lonely. But second of all, when you are left in your thoughts in that kind of meditative zone, you have no other option but to look inwards,

look outwards and start comparing things against each other. And the idea of ideas is a really fascinating conversation. So the whole topic around consciousness itself, like when you're talking about, And it's interesting to me because you're not the only one. Many people right now are talking about optimism are talking about possibility into 20, and I don't think that this is just like a New Year's thing because I've been through a lot of new years where you don't feel this.

Well, just to the story, just to hop in there real fast, it was 2021 where I said it was the dark winter. Like it felt you could just feel that coming. So it is, and we didn't know about the convoy in January. January of 2022. So we were all there. Anyways. Well, kind of what I'm getting towards here is what is it that is able for people. And I mean, in a mass societal sense, to have a similar, if not, like, same sense of what's going on or a change in a community zeitgeist that's unspoken. If it was spoken, it would be a lot easier to understand. But I think that there's an undercurrent that flows in this reality in a way.

And maybe that's where consciousness itself resides. But I think that we're all kind of tapped into the same stream so we can feel the same shifts within it. You know, like it's an underground river that we're feeling the currents move this way and that. And there's a lot to be said about that that we can try to unpack if you want. But this has been a road of both discovery and and musing on my own show as well as the book that I've written since then. Well, I don't know, I assume who you interact with are more fellows such as myself, right? That I like to think we have, and I'm not, I'm not saying here folks that I got it 100% but a bit of a finger on the pulse, right?

Like I stare at it every single week, like week by week staring at news stories, staring at different trending topics, seeing things, blah, blah, blah. and really pay attention to what people are talking about because I want to talk about what people are talking about. I want to try and find guests that, you know, are talking about the things that people are talking about. Anyways, you get the point. I'm really staring at it.

And you can almost start to see the trends. You can almost start to see the shift because I've literally focused on it now. September 2021, right? I would say. So it's been over a year that I've really just nailed into current events. and there would be a whole, you know, a whole ecosystem of that. So we can all see it, we can all feel,

it doesn't mean there won't be tough times ahead. There certainly will be. But we can all start to see what's kind of happening. And I don't know, maybe that's your underground river that we can all just kind of see coming. Like, you're just like, huh, like all of this is happening. And this wasn't here two years ago to happen. It just wasn't.

It just wasn't there. Well, I think that that's one way of explaining kind of the same idea, although it sounds like that is more of like a scientific explanation for it. So we're data chunking. We're seeing patterns. We're pattern seekers, pattern formers. This is what humanity is at an individual level. So it makes perfect sense. It's very easy and rudimented and rigorous and empirical.

But more to what I'm speaking towards is leaning further towards into the philosophical. if not the theological, where I'm talking about there's something that exists in an ethereal, in an ethereal sense that is beyond or within, in a sense, our reality that we can sense, but we can't really quantify. And that's kind of what I'm seeing. And you could say that it's pattern chunking. You could say that it's a finger on the pulse. But what I'm seeing is more of a shift in the energies of what people are experiencing. And there's something that can be said there that I don't think is very well recognized,

but at the same time, it's really familiar when you start thinking about it. Just so I get this, you know, it was Tuesday last night, folks, that was giving me a couple words that I'm like, I want to make sure I, we're talking ethereal, are we talking extremely delicate and light

in the way that seems too perfect for this world? That's what you're talking about? Um, ethereal in this sense would be basically beyond the corporeal, so beyond the physical. Something that is either based in energy or sensation or even a different dimension of interaction, whether we're talking spiritual or something to that effect. Could it, could it not be both then of a, uh, uh, what I'm, if you merge the two together, it could certainly be what you're talking about. and in my brain, I just spot the pattern. Yeah, well, that's like... It's the same thing.

This is what I mean. It's the same thing. It's like, there it is. The way that I picture it and the way that I define it both in the book and in my podcast is there are in my opinion, and I think a lot of smarter than me, people, opinion, three pillars of thought that you should both build up as well as compare different ideas against to have a firm foundation underneath them. If you lack any one of the three or two of the three, it gets very teetery. And those three pillars would be the science side, the philosophy side,

and the theology side. And I think that there is an answer from all three of those about any given question, and they work best in tandem, and they work worse when they get built into a monolith. And I think that a lot of people saw over the last few years a scientific monolith that was supposed to subsume all answers and all worries. And it simply couldn't. And when it was asked to, there was just too much pressure put upon this singular pillar. And of course it collapsed. And the hilarious part is we're not allowed to talk about how badly it collapsed. When really what we should be looking at is a postmortem of how badly it was.

And more to the point, what I'm seeing is the people, it did the best, just writ large across all societies, all cultures, the people who did the best had a firmer foundation in the philosophical and theological. And I think that that helped them sustain the weight of things that they couldn't understand, but they knew who they were and where they stood. And it wasn't going to come down to some mandate to change their mind on that. That's an interesting thought. If you did a study of the people who didn't lose their mind, didn't succumb, didn't just run out and get the first 10 seconds, because they're like, oh yeah, totally.

If you did a study of that segment in the population, that is an interesting thought. Because I've seen a lot of farmers, a lot of preachers, a lot of churchgoers, you know, these people that, they just are more rooted in that type of thought before they ever need it. And I think that that again was the litmus test when we needed it. Whoever had it did best, whoever didn't did worse, and you had to kind of make up for your lack, or you just crumpled in the meantime. Yeah, there was a lot of homeschoolers, I would say, on the top, smelt something wrong immediately, right? But they're out of the system to begin with.

They already do not trust the system. They want to have control of what their kids are learning immediately. So when this started to fall, it made zero sense. Obviously, you have your communities that were tight-knit, whether we're talking Mennonites, Hutterites, that group of people, certainly smelled something strange. You had people rooted in faith, whatever which way that goes. That seemed to be a trend.

And then you probably had some disagreeable people, Drew, that just said, you're not going to, you know, my tail feathers are up. you're not going to tell me what I can and cannot do. Yeah. And I'm sure that goes down the list. You know, the last time I had you on him, I was thinking about this this morning. We, when you talk about the, I don't know, is it the force unseen, the good force, the river. Anyways, I'm trying to steal your words.

And to me, I come back, the thing I was trending that I saw last time was more and more people, talking about God and being comfortable talking about that's right yeah which I still see feels at times a little foreign to me because that would have never been something uh uh one would I would have talked about on the podcast and yet it seems like what you're talking about all over again fits right in that realm of what we were seeing you know 100 episodes again it's it's more of this understanding maybe there's a little more to this than just what meets the eye yeah Yeah, exactly. I was actually curious to pick your brain on that because you were the one that brought it up the last time we did an in-person podcast on this show. And I think you were the only person in my history of podcasting to ever ask me about that because it's just typically not one of those questions that you bring up. You know, it's like what underwear are you wearing? What are your beliefs? You know what I mean? Like it's just not stuff that comes up in cordial conversation, generally speaking. But you brought it up particularly, because you had felt that in your own life and many people around you that this was becoming more of a relevant topic,

which I think speaks more to that, again, community sense of what our reality is shifting within and towards, or more to the fact, I think what has been lacking, what we've been missing in our vital nutrients of what it is to be human. And once it becomes available, then you start craving it. And people are just, they don't even know why, but they're sort of drifting more into those topics about philosophy, deep thoughts, about theology, about the bigger, greater beyond. And it's not, I don't think that it is a foreign concept in the like broad sense of what it is to be human. I think it's something we've just been missing mostly for the last couple hundred years since science took over that monolithic place in Western society where we killed God. go ask Nietzsche. Nietzsche said we murdered God and we'll never clean up all the blood off the floor. And he was not saying that as if he was boasting about it. He was saying it as an indictment because

now our society has been missing that for a long time. And look, I'm not just talking about Jehovah God. I'm not just talking about Allah God. I'm not just talking about the Zen Buddhists. Everything. All of it together was just no longer acceptable in Western society because we had evolution, we had science, we had everything we needed from the Big Bang, and everything else is hocus pocus that we got rid of in the Middle Ages. Yeah, and it goes back to what you said, the vital nutrients. It's just, well, I was talking to Paul Brand and me and him got in this chat about, I can't remember of his Vietnam or Thailand, but you get the point, it's somewhere over there,

and he just, he talked about how it's just so prevalent, the two worlds. You got the physical, you got the what you cannot see. And they understand it's there and they talk a lot about it. And it's just prevalent in their culture. And I'm like, that's weird because here we don't do that. You know, when you talk about asking you about God, it's funny. Like when I started this podcast and I started with a sports mentality, there'd be two subjects, sportscasters do not talk about.

Politics? Oh, I think I've crossed that bridge a long time ago. Once or twice. And religion or spirituality or whatever you want to label it. but you don't talk about it. And yet, I laugh about that because I get to the point where I'm just like, yet politics dictates our lives.

Like, I mean, we've just lived it. Why can't we talk about it? And religion or spirituality, or the thing that you cannot see, having faith in something that is not visible to the naked eye, I mean, I think we're all starting to understand. Like, there's a whole lot going on in this world

and you can either admit that you just can never fully grasp what's there, or you act like it doesn't exist. But to act like it doesn't exist is, well, I was there. I was there two years ago. I mean, it hasn't been that long, you know, that I thought, Big Bang, evolution. I don't know if I was straight on nihilistic, but I was certainly towards the world of, yeah like I was just towards the world of uh you know I don't know if it really matters you know and yeah kind of that agnostic feel of like

it's just an interesting topic it doesn't really make any difference all that kind of feel yeah I went through a period of that as well and I've come across a saying by uh several people who have gone through this path before because the great thing about having so many humans is there's so many different case studies that you can sort of weigh yourself again and see where you fit within the speaking of pattern seeking, see how these patterns interact. And the saying came about that I heard, and I think it's true,

that maybe some people will never get through this, but I think a lot of people do, and they say that atheism is a strong drink, where at the bottom of the cup you found God. And I think that's what it is, is you have to go through it. And now this is where I feel like a lot of the theological people out there, and not the people that have done the work,

but people who have just had it given to them. And look, I was that person for most of my life. I was grown and raised in a Christian family. I never had to question anything about the faith. It was just a given in every sense. I think those people have their own hard winner of the soul coming up, or at least they should, because they are going to, and they should,

have to reinforce what it is they believe. And that is not just something that can be given to you. That's something that is a long, hard path of unsureity, of going through that strong drink, of what if there is nothing, and then trying to find your way back and see where you end up at the end. I think that that's something that probably all of our progenitors before thousands of years ago had gone through and left us texts

about what they found at the end. And we just took up those texts and we just took up those texts, and we're like, no, no, you've got to go through the journey. You've got to go through the... So if at the bottom of the cup you find God, this is a journey that it takes you to go through all of the hard questions. And I think that this is what all of the mystics and the theologicals of thousands of years ago did and had to do to come to the answers that were important enough to put down in sacred texts and pass on. But the

problem is, is when you get past a sacred text, all that is is the answer key to the test. You've never had to do the test. So do you learn anything? Do you actually know what they know? No, you don't. And the real challenge that should be put to everybody who wants to take up this very human cause of to figure out what I am as a person, what reality is around me and everything that may be outside of that that I can't perceive, that's a necessary journey that the answers are less important than the actual task of going through the work. And I think that that is what a lot of people in the theological spaces who consider themselves a Christian or a Muslim or whatever it is. And they've never had to do that work. They just know how to recite texts. That's not the same thing. That's as bad as a doctor who went through med school,

got the PhD at the end of the name, and just follows a protocol that never has to do any work. The people who know how to do the work are, first of all, the people you want to talk to to begin with. But honestly, everybody should want to be that person because it is what it is to be human. It's the most exciting part of the adventure. And to miss that, I think, is going to be a deskbed regret for a lot of people.

And you can build that in your own community. 100%. You don't have to. you know, as much as the wander in me wants to go to the other side of the world to experience life, you just read The Hobbit.

I mean, at the end, they always come home and they got to deal with the shit sitting, not the Hobbit, I was thinking, Lord of the Rings. You got to come home, and you got to deal with the shit that's festered in your own place, right? Like, I just finished reading

Carl Jung, I find that interesting timing. I'm just getting it to him. he had a thought and I wish I had the book here so I could read off the quote to you and you know I wish I had my notes um basically belief is very strong but it it's nothing compared to inner experience that's right and what you're talking about is you know on a very simplistic sense book smart to the person who's gone out and experienced what actually works and doesn't work and and and and and and through some things and had tough times and good times and has experienced life. Those are the people you want to talk to.

That, you know, one of the most drawing, the reason to pull Drew back on the podcast folks, I think all the time is he's, there's a lot of depth to you. Like there's a lot of, there's a lot of things that you've gone and done, which most people are just, haven't done. And the community that's been slowly growing is a lot of those people. A lot of people with a lot of, A lot of experiences, you're just like, man, why do you know? And I get to rub shoulders with them.

I come back, I come back to the solo podcasting, though. I find it really interesting because now, of course, we've got to talk about your book because I find that fascinating. As soon as I'm, you know, to the listener, as soon as I saw that you were writing a book, I'm like, well, I hope I get the first copy. I hope I can put in my studio, honest to God, the first copy signed by Drew Weatherhead. I'm going to put it on the wall beside, you know, Connor McDavid and Theo's pick that's signed and everything else.

Because I'm like, here's a guy that, who knows, maybe you sell 10 copies, maybe you sell Amelia. Either way, I'm excited for you. And to think you went from losing your gym to moving your family down to the States, never having camp before, roughly, I think I'm already in that, right? doing a podcast out of the front seat of your truck to this.

I mean, if anyone's listening, I'm like, man, like there is no map to this thing. Just to start doing it and see how it goes. Anyways, how did you, the book, how, like a solo to the book actually makes a lot of sense for me. It just, it just does. And there's lots of different styles of podcasts as is there's lots of different books. And I feel like it just, what you're doing really true. translates well to writing a book. But I'm curious about it. I'm curious how that's been going. I'm curious your thoughts on it, the experience on it, and just, I don't know, hey man, I'm here

to listen and certainly let people know how they can find it in the future as well. Yeah. So first of all, I have never once in my life ever considered myself or had any aspirations to be an author whatsoever. That's never even been on my radar. It's like literally never been on my radar. I read everybody's work. I don't do books. You know what I mean? It's like thinking that you're going to go and make bicycles. I ride bicycles. Why would I do that? You know what I mean? But it came up upon me in a way that accosted me that I wasn't expecting. It seemed serendipitous in every way. But to speak to your point about the solo podcasting, when I had the idea to do this, which was August of last year,

I was coming up on 100 episodes, which was, I think, happened August 20-something. and at that point I had had a bunch of interesting conversations with people like yourself, with people like David Parker, with people like Kaylin Ford, with people like, you know, all of these very deep, well thought out, well-versed, well-read people. And I just had questions upon questions upon questions that would just mill in my brain after doing the podcast. Like you have a two-hour conversation with Kaylin Ford and see if you can forget what she talked about. You know what I mean?

Like it gets stuck in your mind. brain in a way that you lose sleep, you wake up and you start thinking about it again. And I was becoming obsessed by all sorts of these ideas in a way that, again, to speak to one of her ideas, she called it, well, I think I paraphrased it as thought possession, where a thought basically takes over somebody and wants to basically bring its, I guess, its essence into reality, because it exists in a way that is outside of our reality, a thought. But it seems to be, and she had all sorts of different examples through history, that there were thoughts, like pernicious thoughts, like Sovietism, communism, socialism,

all of these things that pop up from time to time in different places, in different cultures, with different people, but they seem to be wanting to project themselves to the same ends. Now, I took that idea, and I think it took me back. And it started taking me over in this way that I have to write this down. You know, I have to start researching this and culminating this. And it came back to a fascination that I've had since I started listening to Sam Harris long before the pandemic. I want to say 2017 or something like that.

I got into him. And he was the one that gave me that strong drink originally, that disabused me of religiosity. And I had to find my way back from in an interesting way. But he is one of those interesting people. who's a deeply philosophically minded person to the exclusion of theology. He has a lot of science. He's a neuroscientist. He,

uh, did I fall out again? No, you're good. I'm, I'm literally typing here. Oh, okay.

Sorry, I saw you staring at the screen weird. Um, he's a neurobiologist. So he's got a lot of, uh, scientific understanding of the brain. He,

uh, went to, I think the Himalayans and did silent meditation for years when he was in his 20s. He has like a deep understanding of Zen Buddhism, as well as specifically as it pertains to a type of Buddhist meditation called mindfulness meditation, where you are trying to focus yourself upon yourself. You're supposed to turn consciousness upon itself and witness it happen in front of you.

And in that practice, you can witness. And it's pretty easy for anybody to do. Just go look up an app and you can get into a mindfulness meditation session. It takes five, 10, 15 minutes. And you can physically, almost visually see thoughts appear in front of you, that there was no origin of it before that. As if they appeared out of nowhere, but they're in your head. Where did they come from? You didn't think it.

It just appeared as a fully formed thought. And it's those types of ideas that I was like, I need to dig further into this. And so I just, one thing led to the next. and this was its own driving force. It felt like I didn't really have any choice, but I had to write this stuff down. I had to start putting this stuff together. And I did.

And it was one of those things. If I didn't do it for a day, it bothered me. It was like I'd get irritable because I hadn't written something down that I'd been thinking about. And if I had two, three days, that was about as far as I could go before. I was like, I just need to get away for a second, write for an hour. And that was the process for about four. months and I ended up coming up with a book that I very literally titled consciousness, reality, and purpose. And it's broken into three sections that focus on each of those things,

nine chapters on consciousness, nine chapters on reality, and then nine chapters on purpose. And I think that it needs to go in that order so that you can think all of the deep thoughts, because all I do is introduce the two people. I don't go any further than just the introduction. and you get to make your own conclusions of each point. But then coming to the end of it, is like, what do you do with it? To come back to your point when I was talking about doctors that just learn what they need to learn

and these repetitious repetitive cycles, like Einstein was famously quoted as saying, I never memorize anything that I can read in a book because it's just a waste of time. You know, you're not doing thinking. You're just like a parrot at this point. I think it speaks to a difference between intelligence and wisdom and wisdom is intelligence that's had experience where you have something that you understand the worth of the wisdom you have.

And I think we live in a society that generally speaking, which is kind of the glory of its day, but also the gluttony that it finds itself in, is that we're highly overeducated beyond our usefulness. And I think we need to get more actuation behind our ability to think intelligent thoughts. And this is what I think this book had to lead towards is what is our purpose and what can we learn from what we know and what we don't. And what is that journey? And for all the people out there that haven't started it yet, and unfortunately, I think we live in a world of NPCs that just haven't started that adventure yet. They're still waiting on the loading screen. And they have the ability to if they want to. And it always has to start with the individual, which is both the benefit and the detriment is when they're ready to step out into that.

That's when the symphony starts. That's when the adventure starts. That's when to speak to Lord of the Rings. If you step one foot out onto a path, you never know where the winds will blow you. And that's the adventure. That's the fun part. Like that's really the fun part. Curious.

Nine chapters, nine chapters, nine chapters, nine chapters. Reason for nine? I think, now, depending who you talk to, I even have a chapter about this in the book, I don't put a whole lot of primacy in numbers as far as a powerful thing. thing, but there does seem to be something to it. So I've got a chapter that is focused on Tesla, Nikola Tesla, not the cars. And he was basically, coincidentally or not, basically the Elon Musk of his time about 100, 120 years ago, where he was beyond more intelligent than everybody in his field.

He was a first principles thinker who would try to figure things out from the base and work up instead of starting upon a built system and trying to improve it, which he did, by the way, for Edison, who ended up being his rival at the time as he, being Tesla, started the production and the education and the scientific research into AC, alternating current electricity, whereas Edison, who was a much better entrepreneur and knew had much more business acumen, was specifically trying to drive direct energy or DC power. And the difference between that is fascinating, but really not interesting to the topic.

When I'm talking about Tesla in this book, I go into some of his, not only his fascinating insights into science, but also his bizarre idiosyncrasies. This was a weird dude that never took a wife. I don't know if he ever had a girlfriend, but he treated pigeons as if they were the loves of his. his life. Kind of like, I know that Mike Tyson kind of had a time in his early childhood where he

loved pigeons and Tesla loved pigeons. Another weird thing about him, and this is where it gets back to the point about numbers, is he had almost an OCD around the numbers three, six, and nine. And he was quoted saying, if you understood, if you but understood the power of the three, six, and nine, you would have the key to the universe. And what a thing for somebody like that to say. If this was just some drunk babbling person on the road, you wouldn't think twice, but this guy invented X-ray. This guy invented the induction motor. This guy invented radio signal. Like he was beyond intelligent. He was like an alien compared to humans. And he's the one saying that the three, six, and nine is the key to the universe. And so it just so happens that I built this

I kind of built a lattice work for how I wanted the book to go in the three major portions, and it just started devolving into threes. So it was three major portions, each of which has three sections that have three chapters. So there's nine in each portion, but it goes in threes, threes, threes, and threes. Now, what that means is up to any conspiracy theorist who wants to ponder about it, but that just seemed to me to be right. The scientific side of me would say that it is typical of, like, keynote speakers to try to put their points in threes. You see it. Pastors do it all the time. Um, university professors do it all the time.

Maybe it's a human trait. I don't know. I can't tell you for sure one way or the other, but I just, it felt right. And that's why I did. I knew before I put the first word on the page that I was going to have 27 chapters. And when I said you're going to be on episode three, six, nine, what did you think? I didn't even put that together, man. That's dope. Like Tesla was so serious about that that, that he would circle the block of a building he was going to enter three times before crossing the threshold. He would wash his dishes with 18 napkins because it was divisible by 3, 6, and 9,

and he wouldn't stay in a hotel room that wasn't divisible by 3. I watched a documentary on him and I got his book. Well, what is it, Tesla's inventions, I think it is the short book. It's a couple hundred pages, I think. Sitting on my bedside table,

I haven't opened it yet. And yet, here I sit, talking to you and I'm like, well, I think it's high time because that is like, you know, you just feel like you're on the right path, you know? Yeah. And certain little things just seem to fall into place. It just seemed to fall into place. And you're just like, what the hell is going on? And I chuckle because, you know, I didn't manufacture this episode 369. We talked how many weeks ago.

And since then, instead of releasing four a week, I've rattled off five a week. So there's no way, you know, rationally to go, 369, I was doing it because it drew. I didn't even know. Anyways, get the point. Well, this is why when stuff like that happens, I don't think that it's correct to try to parse it in rationality.

I don't think it belongs on that pillar of science. I think the answer for it is probably somewhere in theology or philosophy. And to exclude those as a possibility is always going to exclude you from finding the answer. for. Yeah, and I can already, I can already feel it coming when this release is on Thursday, that the text line is going to be doing this. People are, people are going to be like, oh, they're going to be all over this. You, um, you said two things along the way that I, I'm curious about, um, but I want to stick on the book just for, no, we'll do the book at the end. We'll do the book at the end. Thought possession. Kalen Ford. Kaelan Ford, I have a lot of time for it,

and I've marked it in as I should probably hook back up with her and do another one because she was fantastic. Thought possession is an interesting concept because it happens to me with guess. Every once in a while, somebody will come across and I can't get the thought they talk about out of my head because I'm like, why didn't I think about it? I was looking at it the wrong way.

So this is a different, it's the same thought process of what you were talking about, but from my view as being a podcast, interviewing tons of people. It just happened with Aaron Gunn at a BC, right? The documentary politics explained. He was talking about the pendulum. The pendulum swung so far. Yeah.

But it takes an equal force or maybe a greater force to pull it back. And I think my brain, and I want to assume a lot of people's brains, assumed it's like eventually it just hits a point, and gravity just pulls it back because that's what that's, what's going to happen. And then he started talking about it because we're talking about Vancouver dying his documentary, which if you haven't watched folks, I'll say it again, you should go watch. It's fantastic. But basically, you know, like giving out free drugs, you know, safe supply. And I'm like, yeah, well, when does that end? He's like, well, no, they'll just keep passing more things

because they'll believe, they believe that they haven't gone far enough with it. I'm like gone far enough with it. Like you can see the trends. Everything says, do not do this anymore. And then he talked about the pendulum and I'm like that to me is an idea that is kind of the mind virus you know that I look at it like that one's going to sit with me for a while and I haven't it happens from time to time I was curious on on your side what's the thought possession that has taken you over the course of whatever it is two months 10 days the last year well um I think there's been a lot more of my particular and personal focus put into philosophy, because I started my life sort of front-loaded with a lot of theology, that I have to, again, like I said, dig back into to find the worth for,

because I think that there's an archaeological expedition that needs to be done, because just to take it all at face value, I think, first of all, misses the point, but also is missing the power in it and the importance of it in life. So I since then had put, a primacy on science, maybe in my late 20s to mid-30s. That was the end-all, you know. And it's unfortunate that most people, I think, have to do this in life is start with one focus and go to a next, but it's just hard to, at least for myself,

maybe it's just me, to put the dedication necessary into a particular passion or purpose or idea more than one at a time. So I guess in that way, I found my way to the end of that rabbit hole and found myself wanting, you know, for a lot of the different reasons. I think it's that nutritional value we've been missing, you know. And certainly over the pandemic, when science kind of had its pants pulled down and we got to see the ugly side of what was supposed to be the answer to all things was not just not the answer to all things,

but all the people that we were relying to have the answers on were just parrots that were repeating things that they were allowed to say based on talking points that turned out to be political, which turned out to be corporate, but that turned out to be, you know, all of this is just lies upon lies. And so that's what we're resting this on. Where is, where is the worth in that? Well, there's an archaeological dig to be done there because there's worth that's missing, but there's a lot of things that are worthless that are piled on top. And so I guess with those two things in place, all that was really missing was for my dig into philosophy. And I had a large interest in history before that, as I

I think I told you on the last time I was on your show with Dan Carlin. He was one of the premier podcasters that got me not only into listening to Longform podcast, but also just fully filled up a void I was missing when it came to human history and making it interesting and understanding the big picture ideas and through lines of what it is to be human through different times, through different struggles and really that Heroes arc thing that Peterson talks about a lot. and then through that, I guess, love or enjoyment of history, I guess it opened up the avenue for the philosophical to stop learning about what Aristotle was like and start learning about

what he thought. And as those ideas opened up, as I looked into the Stoics and as I looked into the Buddhists and the Hindus, and as I looked into the Taoist and as I looked into ancient Judaism and for how they viewed the world and the reality we exist in. It's so broad. In fact, one of my favorite philosophers right now, the middle 1900s philosopher by the name of Gile DeLu's French philosopher. And he had a lot of out there ideas as far as philosophy is concerned. And not that they were like insane, but just because they were that first principle. style thinking again, where he was starting from scratch and sort of looking at things. And he had a problem with the way that the Stoics had what he called an ontology of reasons,

which meant that typical philosophy is the idea of looking at the universe and finding what is real and finding what is true. And it is, again, kind of that archaeological dig for what is real, what is true. This is the philosophy of living. He said that that was incorrect. And what we're doing in the process of doing that or in the attempt to do that is we are creating our own reality. And he said that thoughts, reality, existence is more of an act of creation than it is of an ontological framework. Because the ontology itself, if you think of a phylogenetic tree of, say, an organism as it starts from the bottom and branches out, there's no branches that connected them. That's an idea that we used.

And that becomes an act of creation in the way that we view the work. When you get into psychology and when you get into psychiatry and philosophy together, it turns out that every single person on planet Earth views the world differently, but they all think that that's the way that the world is. And most of what we view, besides the basic rudimentary things that we need for our five senses to parse the world around us to live day to day, everything beyond that is an aperture that we build for ourselves to the exclusion of many things or to the addition of other things that people don't have.

And that's what Deleuze was talking about in an act of creation. And I think that that was mostly what I was being driven by was, what have I created up to this point that I think reality is? What about that was not my own thoughts? And maybe I should rethink this stuff and start going back to first principles and start to explore. And one of my favorite quotes from him was actually a paraphrase. Another author wrote about DeLuze.

and basically the line that I love to paraphrase is he talks about less of the importance of ontology and more of an effort to palpate the unknowable, to reach out beyond what can be known and just feel for what is out there, beyond the physical, beyond the mental, what is actually going out there. And the best you can hope to do is reach out and palpate the unknown. But I think that there's so much out there. I think the majority of what is is beyond what we can perceive. And that's kind of the first nine chapters of my book is trying to disabuse people of what they think reality is. And then, of course, we get into reality and what it might be after that. And really, when you set yourself properly, squarely into the existence that you exist in, you should feel like you know

basically nothing, which comes back to the Stoics. Because I think Socrates said, I know one thing that I know nothing. And that I think is the proper, holistic and honest place to view the world from. I love that thought, Socrates, the one thing I know. Because no matter where you're at in life, it means the adventure continues.

Because if you knew everything and had experienced everything, I don't know what the point of living would be anymore. You know, like there's a lot. of life left to live. I, uh, that's a, that's a, a very optimistic thought for myself, I guess. It should be, it should be a, uh, in treatment for adventure. Yeah.

I mean, you just, the, the world is so full of possibility. Sometimes you need to slow down to see them because we get moving in this world so fast and we get caught up with so much emotion, you know, like anger, towards what is going on and frustrated and certainly I have been there and I am no perfect guy by any stretch the imagination but at the same time if you can slow down I call it seeing the tea leaves I don't know if that's you know for me that that's a good visual it's just like oh well there's that door open right like why don't we walk through and see what happens doesn't mean it'll be a good door oh that's wrong one

or maybe it's the perfect one I don't know you know I've I've certainly on this end you know since we last talked I've certainly tried some things you You know, going with the Western Standard was an interesting foray into, I don't know, broadcast media, something along that lines. What's your experience with that? Okay. I like what the Western Standard stands for. I like, for the most part, their content and everything else. One of the things that I think I do exceptionally well is have somebody on.

active listening because I'm trying to learn just as much as the listeners trying to learn I'm actively trying to learn some things I'm trying to pull some things out like I hear that I want to know more about it I ask then I give you the mic and let you talk and at times I know listeners wish maybe I pushed on people more I wish I did this I wish I did that but one of the things I think I've done over the course of 400 and change episodes is I've given the opportunity of people to come on and speak their mind. And I don't have to agree with it all, but I want to,

I want to listen and whatever else. And my experience with Western Standard was, they want somebody to push. They don't want their host to just, you know, I had this interview on the Alberta Sovereignty Act with two men,

and they debated. I just got to be a fly on the wall. Like, it ain't about Sean. Sean's the one hosting, but I want to hear what they have to say. So I let them go for like 40 minutes, and I was like The Terminator. I hardly said a word.

and the critique I got was, and it's not wrong, it was just like you need to be more assertive. Maybe I do. To me, here's two smart men. One of the guys is a lawyer from the document, right? Like, I'm going to let them duke it out and let's see where it goes. And that's been my style since I started. To act like that isn't my style, it would be, you know, lying to myself.

Everybody's gotten, you know, comfortable. I've got comfortable where it is. It doesn't mean I shouldn't change. So it just means who I am. So my experience of Western Standard is, was interesting. Just at the time, it didn't feel like it was meant to be. I hope that rounds out the question. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, no, that makes sense. But this is to speak to your point is some things you don't know until you try. And that should be part of the adventure too. Who could be expected to get everything right the first time? I think that this is a massive misunderstanding when it comes to people's expectations of success, is they view failure as they internalize it, as they're a loser, and they can't do this thing, when actually that is the most important metric for success is you have to fail more than you succeed so that you can find what is worth sticking to.

Yeah, well, I tell you what, I'm in the middle. Here's a little selfless, shameless, shameless promotion on my own show for what's coming up. I got an SMP presents coming up, January 22nd on a Sunday. And this wasn't confirmed until January 2nd is when we said, okay, we're going to sell tickets. But I need to have a number to the casino for January 15th. In any rational world, Drew, I would not do this. That is 13 days roughly. Certainly I can sell a few more after the deadline passes, but I'm on the hook firm now.

right you know you can't go we're gonna sell the place out it's gonna be rocking and whatever else but no different than we're you know it's funny that uh the tesla on the three six nine you're like huh what man that's interesting uh vance crow a guy i've had on the podcast lots think very highly of them deep thinker um comes with a pedigree of of traveling north america talking to mostly the agricultural world um said to me once you know i'd love to come do one of your shows uh but he's got a price tag that i can't afford And wouldn't you know what? He's in Eminton on Monday, Tuesday.

So the 23rd, 24th. He says, how about it come a day early and we could do something? Oh, yeah, gee, that's something. Oh, man. So I'm wrestling with the thought. I was just explaining this on the Tuesday mashup earlier this week that I'm like, so what I do is you just put him on stage? Like, is that a show?

Like, I guess it could be a show, you know? So I reached out to the guy who put me in touch with him, or not even put me in touch with him, how I found him, Quick Dick, McDick, from Saskatchewan. Yeah. He's in Vermillion the night before someone. So on the Saturday, and he lives like eight hours away. So now I have these two men who I found the one through the other, we've become good friends,

in the same half an hour vicinity on the same night, on a Sunday, you know, 15 days away or whatever it is. I'm like, everything in my body, my brain is screaming at me, don't do this. Like you will not sell enough tickets. There's no way you're going to sell enough tickets in 13 days to cover your cost or whatever it is, 15 days. And as I sit here walking in this morning, we were like, I think three, four tickets away from 100 sold. And the facility that I do it at is 240. So I'm not sitting here saying I'm going to get a sellout. But I'm covering my costs, which I'm like, and I get to have these two guys.

And actually Steve Barber from upstream data, Bitcoin mining background. And like three men that I've had on that I'm extremely interested to see how they do on stage. And I'm like, if you hadn't I got over the fear of like, let's try something out. My brain was screaming at me, don't do this. That is not enough time to sell tickets. And you said it earlier in the show, you know, when you trust yourself and like you're the one that has to push it, it's funny what you can accomplish. And certainly my listeners are amazing and the people that are in my community are amazing. but to push something yourself like that or to write a book, my hat's off to you.

It's my shameless promotion here on a Thursday anyways. I just things like that, I don't know how to put into words, I guess. Well, let's talk about that for a sec, because that's not something we can brush over. That's really important. That's something that's not supposed to be possible. That's something that the world tells you you shouldn't ever risk, right, is these types of things. and your inner self is screaming that at you. Don't do this.

Don't do this. Why exactly? It doesn't know what's going on. And as it turns out, the more you look into it, it seems like this was almost in a strange way meant to be. I don't know what type of words you want to use, but those two people just happening to be there and happening to work with you and all this stuff,

you can use words like serendipity or chance or fate or whatever. But what are we talking about there? Like some people would come back to pattern forming and data chunking or just random chance in the universe. But at the same time, there are other people out there. And I'd be curious to get your thoughts on this that are dead certain that there is some sort of energetic connection between people that they can use as a manifestation tool. To the more that you put an energy out into the world, into the wild, then the more that energy will reflect or reflect back upon you. But some people think of it in ways of karma. Other people think of it in ways of manifestation of energies.

And by the way, to speak to Tesla again, he said that the universe exists in energy, wavelength, and form, I think. I don't know. Basically three different types, again, three of energy, which really is the case. And he said this long before science really knew what it was. But since we've gotten down to the quantum level, which apparently is as far as we can go down, that's what we find is everything comes down to waveforms and everything is energy and everything is information you know and if that's the case if everything that exists in the physical material world

is essentially energy a version of electricity basically when it comes down to it at the atomic level below that at the quantum level then what is the chance that it doesn't interconnect well we see it at the quantum level in strange ways. Einstein called it spooky action at a distance where you could take entangled quanta, so say two particles that were entangled together, separate them by as far as the entire earth apart from each other, and then affect one and it would affect the other simultaneously on the other side of the world. What is that? How is that possible? They don't know. All they know is it happens. So this is kind of one of those ethereal things that you can talk about in the scientific, you can talk about it in the metaphysics,

but it seems like there's something we can't see, maybe we can perceive at an intrinsic level and an intuitive level, but there's something that motivates and moves the world around us in ways that otherwise don't make sense, which is why I believe that those types of things don't belong in the sense-making apparatuses like science. I think that they necessarily need to be in the philosophy of what could be and of the theologies of what may be.

Well, you know, when the thought that springs into my head is he's passed on now. But I did a series of 49 archive interviews for the city of Lloyd, and I got to interview some very, very interesting people with a lot of history and stories and travels and thoughts and everything else. It was very fascinating. One was Ron Harris Jr. It stuck out to me, and if people want to go back and listen to it, it was October 16th, 2020. It was SMP archive number six, but it doesn't fall on the line of my regular numbering. So you kind of got to go search it out.

So it's October 16th, 2020. If you're, heck, I got to go back and listen to it. He just passed on this past year. And that's an odd sensation to have interviewed somebody that is now, you know, that's maybe the last you'll hear of their thought process. But he had a story that stuck with me. me. And when you talk about putting energy out and it coming back and different things like that, he had become an alcoholic and he was kind of roaming, I think it was British Columbia, and I hope I don't torture this story. But he was roaming and kind of lost to the world, if you will.

And one day he talks about walking into a thing which he thinks is a bar. And it turns out it's not a bar. It looks like a bar. but it's a bunch of recovering alcoholics. Oh. And he says, this is odd and whatever, and he starts talking to people, but there's no drinks,

and he kind of, and he leaves, but then he comes back, and he leaves, and then he comes back, and he leaves, and then he comes back, and then he starts going there

more and more and more and more, and you know, in the Lloyd Minister community, he helped out, or helped, you know, and I forget his position, I apologize to the people here in Lloyd.

It's a interview. I should go refresh my memory on, because it sits in the back of my brain as like something really I pondered for a long time. But he comes back to Lloyd becomes a pillar of the community, literally, one of 49 they picked to interview. Think about that. He worked, once again, sorry, at the Slim Thorpe dealing with addicts and, you know, like this facility that try and helps people get their life back in order. And I asked him, it's like, what is that? You know, like, I don't know, the interesting thing I see and, you know, pattern spotting, whatever, of, and that's a Vance Crow term, he's going to love that.

Anyways. Of all these different lives where you see, like, a certain moment and you go, what is that? Like, what is that right there? And some people never think about it. Other people say you shouldn't think about it. Others, you know, everybody has their thoughts. He had a wonderful answer that maybe is starting to make more sense now. and it was my family and he was speaking specifically about his parents never stopped praying for him

and I'm like at the time you know I'm like what does that even mean except what you're talking about what Christians I think certainly know people with deep faith certainly know is there's a lot of power in that I don't fully understand what that means other than that sentence yeah but that it could maybe a and I mean you brought up Tesla with 369 right he understood when he looks back in his life and he has this moment where he is you know lost to the world walks into something that will absolutely help him and is attracted to it I go back to your vital nutrients you could just hmm man I want a beer but mm there's something here and he comes back and he comes back and all of a sudden his life gets on track and

And what is that? Certain people with deep faith would say praying is a very, very powerful thing. Yeah. Well, I'm happy that you brought that up specifically because it was a connection that I made while I was writing, too. Because depending on the vantage point that you look at these types of things through, if you look at it through the theological, it's almost the most obvious. It's like, oh, well, you pray, you pray to God. God answers your prayers. If you were to transpose that thought back into either the sciences or to the philosophical,

if there exists some sort of substrate to the universe that these types of things actually... That they can cause actions within sympathical ways that otherwise don't make sense to the physical side of what you're seeing. Then in that case, what prayer is doing is pushing forth a want or a need or desire into that universal substrate. If that's what God is, then that would make a lot of sense, right? It makes a lot of sense in the metaphysical. It makes a lot of sense in the philosophical. And even in the quantum space of the scientific, we're seeing a lot of interactive qualities. In fact, one of the ones that I like about science, and maybe it's just because it's unknown and I find that fascinating, is approximately 95% of the known universe isn't even material. They call it dark energy

or dark matter. And that makes up the lion's share of everything that is. And we can't even research it. We don't even know what it is, just that it exists. And so what's to say? Who are we to say existing in part of the 5% that we can actually encounter? And probably a very small percentage of that, less than 1% of the 5% that we can encounter out there, are supposed to look at that 95% that we don't know what's going on there and say that there isn't God in there? I think that that's like the height of hubris and I think ignorance, to be honest, and how much more obvious would it be that something like that were to? If there was some reason for these serendipitous events that prayers get answered or strange things happen to sort of coalesce in a way that is beneficial to the

wants and desires that somebody has, wouldn't that make more sense than trying to have some sort of, I don't know, strange empirical data chunking description of, it seems like the, the worst way to try to describe what's going on, wouldn't you say? Yes. And I just, I think there was a huge part of the Western world. I can't speak. I can only speak for, you know, and maybe I just never paid attention. That could, and maybe I'm just a huge part of that.

You just never talked about it. Yeah. You know, you look at the stars. You never put any deep thought. And even if you do, you keep it to yourself. And you just, you know, you just kind of move on with life. You know, things are happening in front of you, and you just kind of, you know, there was a quote earlier this week.

Don't live your life for the weekend. Make your weekends work for the life you want or something along that lines. You get the point. I like it. And at the end of the day, for a huge chunk of my adolescent life into my adult life, I live for the weekend, like just to get away from work and, ah, just, you know, like, oh, the weekends here and whatever else. And I could safely say, I think, I'd be curious, you know, I assume it's the same for you. I found my way into a place where on January 1st, where everybody's recovering from their, their New Year's Eve hangover,

and January 2nd, where people have the day off and they're, you know, whatever, I am. I'm already chomping at the bit and I'm already starting to interview people. January 1st, second, third, fourth, fifth. Let's go. I am tired of not. And I never thought I would, not that I would never find that, that it would be maybe in such a surprising spot. Mm-hmm. You know?

Yeah. Well, this is coming into the third portion of what I wrote about. And what an audacious thing to try to speak to. is purpose in somebody's life. You know, like, how do you speak about that in generalities? Because it is so individual. And it's so surprising for people like yourself that experience it in this way. And it was the same thing for me.

I think that to, again, pick on Western society, which has done a great job of building empires. It does a great job of that. It builds a lot of superstructure. It builds a lot of societal structure. It builds a lot of technologies to make our lives easier. But it also builds us into this, I guess artificial sense of that's what reality is.

And part of that structuring of it can be blamed at least since the early 1900s on someone named D. Rockefeller, who totally revamped the Western educational systems from what was more of a charter school system of classical learning into, in his own words, I want to make a nation of workers, not a nation of thinkers. And that was exactly his purpose. He spent $129 million of $1,900 to build the General Education Foundation for the U.S. And he funded all of the state-run versions of it to the point that now public school is, it is what it is. And a lot of first world countries mimic it.

And that has infected not just the minds or I guess dumbed down the minds of the people that have to come up through it as formative young. people, but also it has molded us into what behooves an industry. They want workers. They want people to find a vocation. And I think that this is something that has its merits for sure here and there, but typically it benefits the society level needs. It doesn't benefit the individual level needs. And the problem with the society is it's built up of individuals. So if you are feeding it some like puppy chow that is missing most of the nutrients, that the individual needs, but it's just enough to get it by for the purpose of society, to push the cogs along.

Well, then you're going to actually be building up entire generations of people that don't have a purpose and don't think that they have one. And they wonder why going to work at the factory every day for 40 years isn't enthralling to them. It isn't edifying to them. That's because they're not actually doing what they're meant to do. And I truly believe that everybody has things that they're meant to do in this life. And you don't have to do them. That's one of the benefits of having free will, which itself is its own chapter in the book, is you can choose to be ignorant and avoid these types of thoughts and conversations.

And I think one of the biggest detriments of that Rockwellian system that got built into education in the first world is that we think when you come out of your grade 12 education, that your job is to find a job and that your next stop on route is at 65. when you get to retire. That's it. You build a career path and hopefully you did enough in the time to have retirement time and you made it. You did your job. Well, who did you do your job for? You did your job for society. All of your useful most vital years were plugged into the system when in the meantime, they could have been reappropriated by yourself for yourself to actually fulfill your inner needs and desires, which I think speaks to what your purpose is. And the good news is, I think that there's, I think that is ways to take the benefits of what the Rockwellery and system builds for you, which I would speak to is work ethic. Because what good work ethic? I think that that builds, there should be a season

in your life for building good work ethic, but then you should take the reins of that after it's built to move towards what makes you most happy in life. And it's scary, just like you and me have experienced. But it is, I think the word is fulfilling. It's not just happiness. It's fulfillment. And it's something that is really, I think, the purpose. That's where you find and you know that you found a purpose because it's fulfilling when you do it. I was going to say Jim Carrey, I think of Jim Carrey. He has a speech in front of college grads where he talks about his dad, right? Working job, he didn't want to work, gets fired from it.

And so he basically says you can do what you don't want to do and still basically lose. Yep, still fail. Or you can try something you want to do. And, I mean, certainly failure is sitting right there. Like, I mean, failure presents. itself every single day to me that that fear of like maybe I mean just take all the irrational fears I have put them all in one it happens every single day you you start to grow a muscle towards it like now okay and you also start to understand that there's a

lot of hours in a day you know I go back to this this SMP presents coming up on January 22nd and I'm like you know we got five days by the time this releases we will have three days, but three days a long time, right? Yeah. I mean, it is a long time to, and I don't know if that's a superpower or what, but I've been able to look at things like that, like, we got time, we have time, even if you only got 10 minutes, you got time, just calm down. You have time. 10 minutes is a long time. You can get a lot of things accomplished 10 minutes. You know, and mainly, usually it's relieving the stress off what you're because when you get all stressed you don't think clearly um you know I'm I'm uh so me and drew today are doing a double header folks so I'm in my

brain I've got about a thousand questions I'm like do I just carry it over Drew to to yours and then tease you know that they can go listen or do you want me to ask one or two more questions let's do a couple more questions because I got questions for you that might fill up my time a little bit more on that side. Okay, well, you said on, the last time I had you on, we talked about God, right? And obviously we've talked about God today. You said something interesting earlier on. I had a couple different notes, and one of them was, no, I can't find a stupid note,

you were talking about Sam Harris, and you took the drink, it's a stiff drink, and at the bottom you find God. We were talking about atheism. and you said you have an interesting way back to faith. What is the interesting way? What happened along the path? Well, I think it had to happen if I was going to try to grow that muscle of philosophy and theology. Because I think those two are probably closer.

If I were to put them in a sequence, I think that philosophy is the middle ground between science and theology. And I think as you grow the philosophical side, it presumes the theological in a lot of senses. But it also roots itself to the physical and the reductionist side as well. And I think that they merge together in the middle. And the union between theology and the sciences is philosophy. So as I started to grow out into the philosophical, it just made much more sense what I wasn't seeing in the theological for the first part of my life, for the majority of my life, when it was an assumed thing that was handed down to me on a silver platter that I never had to do any work for.

I just got given all the answers and told all the Bible verses and all of the parables and all of that stuff and go ahead and go be a good person in the world now. And that's all well and good so far as morality is concerned, although there's something to be said about understanding why the moral is what it is. but it definitely doesn't do you any service whatsoever when it comes to what is God, what is spirituality, what is beyond the physical, what happens after death. All of these questions need to be asked for yourself. I don't think it does anybody any good to just take those answers that got figured out by wise men of centuries past and presume them as your own. It's the same thing as we're talking about at the beginning of the conversation with that

51% of our personality that basically gets prescribed to us through peer pressure or through life events and neither of which we really had any say in. But we have a say in going back and seeing what's there. Why is it there? Is there worth for it? Should I change it? What could I change to do our own work? That to me is one of the most fascinating things about it is we get a say in who we are and who we want to be, which is great news for everybody who doesn't like who they are. is there's a large portion, according to psychologists, 51% of who you are that is malleable. And if other people can emaliate it, so can you. I think that that is what allowed me the latitude to break down the walls that people like

Sam Harris helped direct in my mind towards a theological and be like, no, I'm going to let it breathe. I want to see how it interacts with these other thoughts that I'm seriously looking into right now. And it turns out that there's lots of interplay. And I think that it's a synonymous union between the two in a lot of different ways that in the end, after the stiff drink has all but evaporated and I'm looking at the bottom, I still don't know what I'm looking at, but I know that it's there. And that is the journey now, is the experience and the discovery of what exactly was the thing that I was told exists. What exactly is that? Is it only what Christians think it is? Is it only what Muslims think it is?

Is it only what Jews think it is? Is it only what Taoists think it is? Or is there some broad metaphysical substrate that they're all trying to explain in the same way that any given topic can be explained through the sciences, through the philosophical or through the theological? I think that looking at them all individually looks a little more opaque than when you look at them all together. So when you did you have on your journey and I mean obviously the journey continues but do you have a moment you're reading something or you experience something or you're just like light bulb moment like oh oh in the last you know for me it's a hundred episodes plus right for you it's actually probably very similar we're probably you know in the last

hundred episodes, you know, I'm just curious, I guess. Is there a moment where you're like, oh, light bulb moment? Is there something you read? Is there something the experience? I don't know. In a way, but not really. So to kind of break this down, the way that I'm seeing is when I first started doing the social disorder podcast, I was a very different person than who I am now. And maybe I was already on that path and I sort of started running, but there's been a lot of ground covered between 1 and 207 or wherever we are now. And in between that time, the whole topography around me in the idea sphere has shifted and changed. And I'm in new ground, a new territory that I wasn't when I started. And I'm sure there are all sorts of different instances along that way that were

for like benchmarks or aha moments about this or that. But I kind of experience it more as a holistic journey. And I can see that things are significantly different than they were back then. I'm sure they'll be significantly more different a year from now. But I wish I had like an easy answer. But I kind of wish I don't wish I had an easy answer. Because I don't want to give people an easy answer. That's not what it's about.

I think that's half the problem is trying to give people this. can be, if you just think about this, then all this will change. I don't think that's how it works. It comes down to just like trying to get healthy. Like eating one healthy meal doesn't make you healthy. You know, you have to do the work. And if anything, I would ask people to be honest with themselves and try to walk their own path. And thankfully, we live in a world in a society right now that you can listen to people like this, like myself, like Sean, like other people, guests we have on the podcast, express their own experience. and you can experience them kind of in this sort of third person manner, this fly on the wall manner, that you may be exposed to ideas that then you take away with those and start experience them against your own life and find the value in the journey that you're on or even hopefully start the one

you haven't yet. Well, man, I've, yeah, I've appreciated this. It isn't, nothing is long overdue. It's probably about the time it was supposed to happen, especially when you tap on it. Yeah, 369, right? Like, I mean, that's just wild to me. Before I let you out of here, and I want to remind people if you're enjoying the conversation, we hop over, we do this double-header thing.

We started it last summer, and hopefully the next double-header will be in person again in studio, because Drew will be back up here in the Northland. So if you're wanting to listen to more, head over to the Social Disorder podcast and you can hear me on the other side of the mic, although, you know, when you get two hosts going back and forth, it's interesting. It's an interesting little back and forth conversation. Anyways, the crude master final question, I can't remember if I ask you this one. So if we're replaying it, it's funny, over 100, course, over 100 episodes, it may have changed

for you, so it probably doesn't matter. It's He's words, and it's, if you're going to stand behind a cause, stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Drew stands behind? That's a great question that I've only really been able to answer for myself over the last maybe year of the pandemic as it has become apparent because it was one of those things that I thankfully had kind of pre-built into my personality without really the understanding for the worth of it. And now I know it by name and it's sovereignty. And that is something that I think every single person on planet Earth should hold dear to themselves, try to work

towards to actuate to the nth degrees, as far as that as possible as you can, build it into yourself, is to be able to be who you are, regardless of what other people or powers say about it. And that, I believe, and I've found through my own research and my own musings, has, it's, we look at things in a metric of freedom, right? We have freedoms in a free country that were freely given to us and can be apparently taken away from us, our freedoms, freedoms, freedoms, freedoms. There's a precursor to being free, and that's being sovereign. The only way you get to freedom is by being able to be who you are

and be yourself and follow your own path and believe in yourself, make your own decisions. I think that the opposite of that is true, and we've seen it, is at a lack of sovereignty, in a time of we, men who have built hard times. That's because we don't have the backbone at a societal level to believe and know who we are and stand up for it when the time comes. And that would be the number one thing I think right now that I believe in is sovereignty and trying to build that in people because it only happens at the individual, which is both the good and the bad news. Nobody can do it for you, only you can do it for you. The lack of it, though, is detriment of society.

And I think that that should be everybody's call and task is to become more and more sovereign for themselves. Well, that's one way to end the podcast, isn't it, folks? Hey, man, I appreciate you doing this. And let's just one last time, a social disorder podcast. If they want to get a copy of your book, do you know when it's releasing or at least where they can pay attention so they can find it when it releases? Yes, this is actually going to be the first official time that I announce. Yeah, yeah. So I was saving it for this podcast for you, Sean, is I will have pre-sales available for this about a month before it releases.

It's going to be releasing on February 17th next month. So between now and then, I'm sure it will be available as far as pre-sales are concerned by the time this podcast releases. And I will have a link that I'll send to Sean that you can go check out where you can get pre-sale copies of both the digital, the hard copy, physical from Amazon and there's going to be an audio book that I'm in the process of recording right now so you can get it on Audible as well. Oh, that's an audible book. Getting it, Drew Weatherhead, tickling your ears as you drive down the road. I, uh, you know, on a complete side note, so people, now they've got the info and certainly when it releases, I'll make sure to mention it on the podcast, because I wish all the best for you. I think it's super cool. And to have known

you in your journey as a podcast guest and everything else. It's just, it's really cool. I truly wish the best for you on it. And I'm excited to pick it up, honestly. That all being said, wouldn't it be fun to be in the audiobook realm where you just get to read some, like I think of, oh, God, and I'm going to, I can't remember the name in the book, folks. That's terrible of me.

But Ron Pullman, the guy from Sons of Anarchy and a couple other, the big guy, he reads a book, and I'm like, oh, Oh my God, this is freaking sweet. I don't want to read every book. I don't want to read the dictionary for you. But I feel like that would be a fun little gig to try out. Another one is Jeremy Irons reads The Alchemist. And if you haven't picked up that, like, I mean, it just tickles your ears.

It's just like, man, this is lovely. Either way, Drew Weatherhead, folks. Thanks for hopping on. If you want to catch more of us, head over to the social disorder. You can hear us there as well. And I appreciate you doing this. Look forward when you're back up here. and we can do it in person again.

Absolutely, Sean. It's always my pleasure, and I can't wait for the day. We'll be there.