Shaun Newman Podcast - #371 - Kristen Nagle

Episode Date: January 16, 2023

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So buckle up. Here we go. This is Kristen Nagel and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Kristen Nagel. So first off, ma'am, thanks for hopping on. Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I'm glad you could laugh at me as I try and pronounce your name 16 times.

For the listener who doesn't hear that first part, I'm sitting there going, don't butcher this, don't butcher this, don't butcher this. Either way. I think I got it, right? Nailed it. That's right. Do we want to start today? How things out in Ontario these days? I think things are okay. I don't know. To be honest, I don't even know what's going on in the world. I have a great little community here, amazing family, and I just continue to live my life as we should be. So I just kind of silence out all the noise, and I don't know what's going on outside of that world. Does that mean you have distanced yourself from all social media and that type of thing?

Or how do you go about your day to day without seeing what the world is doing? Yeah, I kind of put up some boundaries, I guess, and don't kind of go into so much of it. There's still things around the globe. I'm still connected internationally and there's things going on. I just try to limit what I'm consumed with at this time. Yeah, I get you. I think we're all in the same boat. We're all trying to eliminate a bunch of needless stress

when you can just kind of focus on your life and everything else. You know, I know the group you've been a part of. I think everybody, well, I shouldn't say everybody, I think a lot of people in Canada know about Canadian frontline nurses, is I want to say at one point I reached out to the email of it, and I remember talking to somebody, and I can't remember who that was, and I don't know.

Some days I wonder where half the correspondence I do. Not in a bad sense on your end, more probably on my end. Sometimes it's a struggle, and I'm sure you know all about that with the amount of stuff that Canadian frontline nurses would have dealt with and probably still is dealing with. Either way, what I'm trying to roundabout get to is,

I don't know a whole lot about Chris. You know, I was saying to you before we started, I was listening to you and quickly becoming a friend of the show is, and not to the listener, because they won't know, but Nicole Murphy, she helped hook me up with Adam Scorgy. And I'm heading to their event in February to help speak there and everything else. And then, of course, she's interviewed you and I chuckle them, like, of course she has. So I'm assuming lots of people know who you are, Kristen. Let's assume they don't. Let's give him a little tail of the tape, a little rundown on Kristen, and we'll see where we get to.

Yeah. Well, I was a nurse of 14 years. Primarily 12 of those years were spent to work in the neonatal intensive care unit, so babies. So whenever people, you know, ask me about medical advice, I say, do you fit in the palm of my hand? Because that was my clientele for 12 years. I'm a mother to two young boys' wife.

And I guess everything kind of started for me when, my first son was born in 2015, something came upon me, and I now know this to be like, you know, whether it was divine intervention or whatever, you know, you want to call it, it pressed me to look into food. And I kind of was, you know, arrogant. I was into, you know, food, health, fitness. I was a nurse. I was like, I think I got this covered about what to feed my baby.

But I just felt this immense responsibility of like, well, it's my decision, what enters his mouth and that's going to shape his foundation for his growth, development, mood, and so forth. And I was like, I should probably look into a little bit of this. And I was then blown away by how little I knew and the lies that we were being told from pediatricians like, you know, fortified rice cereal. One, why do we need fortified food when he can get, you know, iron and things naturally from things like liver and bone marrow?

Two, they can't even digest grains until they're 16 months old. And homo milk, why would we ever transition to homo milk? which is like the most highly heat processed, you know, food out there, breaking down chemicals and making it completely unnatural. So that just kind of started me on this path. I became incredibly passionate about food, consumed with documentaries and books. I enrolled at the Canadian School of Natural Nutrition, and that was where like the aha moments went off for me,

where I was like, oh my gosh, health is so simple. Like, health is actually so simple, and they don't want us to know this. And in my, I did it two years part time, my two years at CSN, I learned way more about body, the body, how it works, mechanisms, health than my four years of nursing. And that kind of set me on a passionate path to informing parents about their babies, health, children, pregnancy. And then that took me down to childhood immunizations. And that's when I first started to get in trouble with my college. When you talk divine intervention, when you're saying you go back, you have your first son, it's 2015, is it having the son that kind of snaps you like, oh, you mentioned the weight of

responsibility, or is it something before then that you put the term divine intervention on? I think it was having my son, but like something, like I came to faith actually throughout all of this. I pushed it away throughout most of my young adulthood and everything, but 2020, I came back to it and I look back now and it and I was like I don't know like if God was putting a message on me because I don't know where it came from to like you know to press into look into food like research what to feed your baby and so it was coming up before you know just before his six

months and I was like okay I'll start you know researching some of this stuff and it just was um yeah just this push that didn't really come from anywhere else prior to that I was I I admit, like, fully, that I was a completely indoctrinated nurse. Like, I believed in all of it. However, I lived a very natural, simple life. Like, I love the outdoors and, you know, I had an obsession with nature and camping and all that stuff. But I very much believed in, you know, immunizations and home births to be illegal

and all these things that I have now completely done one 80s from. That's it. I find that fascinating because, uh, I think we all know. well if you look at yourself you know a younger part of you that thought they knew everything right so I don't want to pick on any one occupation other than nurses have been and doctors have been in the front line you know uh I mean along with the police officers etc there's a few occupations that are kind in the crosshairs of a lot of this at what point are you sitting with your nurse colleagues your doctors you're sitting there and you're like,

there's a whole lot of bullshit going on in here and I don't know how to explain it and I was once, you know, marching to that drumbeat as well. I don't know. I'm just trying to get a picture of like Kristen going, you know what, there's other alternatives here and people looking at you going,

you're an idiot because there must have been a certain point and we're like, oh boy, I'm in one. I was like, yeah, that exactly happened. It was through the years of 2016, 2018, when I was going through the nutrition program to come out and be a registered holistic nutritionist. And I started, you know, posting things and having conversations with people at work. I'd bring my textbooks, you know. I worked a lot of night shifts.

So when I had an opportunity, I would study. And so people had questions about what I was learning. And so they were interested in a point. They were interested about food and, you know, changing their diet and lifestyle. but when I tried to bring in holistic remedies to what, you know, they have used pharmaceuticals for for years, that's when, like, I was like, oh, oh, no, like we trust our, you know, our pharmaceuticals. Like, oh, my teenage, you know, kid has, like, the worst acne and only, you know, this crazy drug can cure it, not changing lifestyle, bouncing hormones, you know, removing foods or whatever.

It's like, no, only, only this drug. And I'm drawing a blank right now on it. It'll come to me after this podcast. But you can't even go out into the sun. And it on the bottle, it says, like, you know, like, do not, like, try to conceive while taking this drug. And, like, that is trusted more than, you know, here's some simple steps of changing your lifestyle.

I remember there was a post of colleagues, including my pediatrician on Facebook, making fun of me. They didn't put my name in there, but I knew exactly, like, who and what they were. they were talking about. Yeah, so things kind of got weird. You know, you just said like a word that I always got to follow up on, so let's do it. Weird. Weird is this thing that means so much more than the damn word.

So when you say it starts to get weird, you got to follow up with what you mean. Yeah, uncomfortable. And I think like there is, you know. This is before any. of the last three years. We're talking well before this. Oh, yeah. Like, I had to print off like this discussion that was had about me online. Like, I was starting to feel ostracized and bullied. Like, I remember, you know, I was looking into, I was really getting into herbs.

And I had a friend, you know, a registered herbalist. And she was teaching about catnip and how catnip is amazing for kids with fevers. It's a diaphretic and it helps break, you know, the sweat. and it does all these amazing things. It's from the Mint family. So I was going to teach a class with her on fevers of children. And I post about catnip. And then colleagues were like, oh, that is not safe.

That can not be safe. Actually, I know it's not safe and just blasted me for it. And it's like, do you know it's not safe? Because, you know, here you are popping how many pills of Tylenol and ibuprofen. And you have no idea how, you know, risky those are and damaging they can be. but, you know, let's avoid an actual plant, you know, from the mint family. It's because it's been labeled as, like, a food that gets your cats high. So, you know, it can't be safe for humans, of course.

But, yeah, no, things got really uncomfortable. I was feeling bullied in an outsider. I was really starting to feel like I, you know, I didn't belong. I didn't belong there anymore. But I didn't really know what to do about that. I feel like you're going to be able to, if not answer my question, point me in the right direction on this, okay? So I've been raving,

I started to mess around with my diet over the course five years. Some days I'm great at it. Some days I'm horrific and I'll eat 18 slices of pizza. You get the point. Like, I'm no, I'm no,

I'm not perfect on this. I'm far from it. Anyways, I was having, not issues sleeping, but like, you kind of, I wasn't having great sleep. Anyways. I got some honey from a hunting farmer, a guy who had his bees.

Anyways, and one night I was just like, I just had this like, I don't know. I can't remember if it was a conversation I had with somebody who's a little older than me or what, but I decided I'll put it in my tea before bed. And word to the listener, I'm not a giant, like old guy drinking tea every night. I just, I was in, it was a tea night. Anyways, making fun of myself here. So I put a little honey in it. And I remember having the thought, this is a really stupid idea, Sean.

Like you're literally giving yourself sugar before you go to bed. This is going to have terrible ramifications, right? But I'm like, escrow up. We'll try it out. And that night I slept so hard, I drooled on myself. And I woke up and I, right away, I didn't think much of it. I just said, oh, man, I had a good sleep. So the next night I did it again. Once again, not to prove anything just because, you know,

it kind of been the routine from the night before. and it did it again. Like I just drooled all over myself and was just dead to the world. And now when I need a good sleep, and since then I've done a little bit of background into it, especially with some of the older generation who used to use honey as a sleep remedy

amongst a whole other list of things honey can do. And I was, I came to work because at this time I was still working. And I'm like, you guys got to try this. Everybody laughed me out the building and thought I was, you know, kind of a little bit cuckoo. Even towards my parents, I've been trying, I'm like, you having a bad sleep? Just try this.

Try it. And everyone's like, yeah, you know, kind of like, Sean's on here. And I'm sure some of the listeners are like, but you, with the background in this, what the heck is it about honey? Or do you know a honey person who can just like lay it out for me because I find it so fascinating? Yeah. Well, I'd be curious about what kind of tea you're drinking as well. Mint tea.

Well, that's like, you know, kind of relaxing as well and kind of calming and does all that stuff. So I bet it's a bit of the combination of both. I don't know much about honey for sleep, but honey is just so incredible. And yes, you know, it is sugar, but because it has all the other like microbials and anti-everything, and it's just balance and all the nutrients. And it just has so much healing properties that, you know, it wouldn't surprise me that it all. also benefit sleep. And yes, I do have a B person. I can connect you too. We are going to get to the bottom of this.

Yeah, that's awesome. It's going to be figuring out honey because Sean wants to know. Anyways. We were camping three years ago and my poor little guy was one years old at the time and ended up getting a third degree burn on it on his leg. Anyways, it was unfortunate situation. But we were camping and I panicked and I was like, well, I have honey. And I remember that being, you know, something, honey and a plantain leaf. And plantain, not the bananas, but it's a weed, grows everywhere. It's, like, incredibly beneficial for so many things.

So grab the plantain, got some honey and took away the burn, the sting, the pain, the inflammation, and the honey. And I did that for a couple days in being camping with, like, you know, this poor little bad burn on this one-year-old's leg. It healed, like, absolutely, like, beautifully. Honey is incredible for so many things. Well, yeah, I've been told it's a superfood or something along that lines. And I was also told by old timers that if your horse got a nick on it, so like a cut, you would put honey on it because it seals it off, prevents infection, a whole bunch of different things. And then it was an older lady. She's like, you know, we used to do a whole lot of things.

Nobody listens to us anymore. And I'm like, I bet you that's really true. Yeah. Yes. You know, when you say health is so simple, do you think it's because we've gotten to a point where we just think, you know, we want simple, but it has to come in a drug form through a certain process, whether that's conditioned to think that way,

or whether that's some other thing, why is it that we won't believe that, you know, natural remedies can work just as well, if not better than some of the things you get across the counter or, you know, prescribed to you. Decades and years of conditioning and programming, when I look back on like my nursing, you know, four years at university through nursing, it was very much like, this is the way, this is it.

Don't even look at that other side. It's nonsense. It's quackery, which that term was made up by the Rockefeller's, like way back early in, you know, the 1900. Quackery? Yep. Yeah. Quackery, quacks.

Yep. to discredit people actually healing and using medicine. They wanted, you know, to take, you know, all the money they had, you know, basically that's how the medical system started. Louis Pastor, grandfather of germ theory, you know, did all these fraudulent tests and said, it's all the bacteria and the germs that are making us sick. We need to kill all the bacteria, kill all the germs, all these things, through a bunch of fraudulent tests that I can get into or not.

And then, you know, the Rockefellers came in. They're like, well, we have all this leftover petroleum. Petroleum can kill these germs. Okay, how can we profit this? How can we make money? And, you know, kind of took that concept and made the first medical institution and said, the only people that can practice medicine has to go to one of our institutions. Like, you have to go to our institution to practice medicine.

Everything else is quackery, is wrong, will harm you. And they started then discrediting people in the early 1900s. And then popping up these institutions, you know, Rockefeller, John Hopkins, like all these places where they could learn about petrochemicals and pharmaceuticals and prescription medicine and start making money and feeding off of people's illness and disease and, you know, filling their pockets. And that was kind of the start of medicine and where we're at was all built on a live germ theory. You'll know this better than I will. I'm just when they start it because like

certainly I feel like there is a time in place for the medical field everything you know like there's a there's a ton of

I don't know why I keep using this term I apologize the listeners but net positive from it right so when you go back to when they're starting the medical institutions in the beginning isn't the idea

quite smart or am I just wrong on that? I just think like we need to get a profession that can help save people and start to study XYZ and help and analyze and whatever else. And then somewhere along the way they realize how much money and then it, you know, and then all of a sudden you get the pharmaceutical companies lobbying and everything and you know, and all of a sudden it just over time goes from a decent idea, maybe a great idea, I don't know, to do. just like now where, you know, I've had the doctor in here well over, oh, geez, it's, folks, it's like a year and a half ago, like where the time has gone, where he's sitting there and he's talking about medical ethics and he's terrified he's going to lose his job.

And I'm like, this is wild. Like we, like somewhere, you know, it goes off the rails. Is that, is that the Rockfell is right from the start in your mind? Or is it somewhere down the road when they started to realize, holy man, there is a business case here and we just got to keep pushing it. I think it started that way. So my belief and was it was started that way

with the institutions because people were healing and people, you know, like women were healers. Like they were the ones that were going out and understanding plants and herbs and doing all these things, you know, and foraging and harvesting and they had all these skills and they passed it down and could tell stories.

Indigenous cultures like they just know the earth and they know nature and they know how to use it for things that are happening. So yes, to your point, yes, there is a, you know, where you need to continue to research and, you know, learn better and do better, do I think that's what the Rockefellers and, you know, their initial institutions set out to do? No. Do I believe that good people went into these institutions to make a difference?

Yes, I do believe good people went into these institutions. I was one of them. I wanted to, you know, make a difference. I wanted, you know, to be a change maker and then then quickly realizing, that is not the industry I went into. And you'll hear that from, you know, a lot of medical people, nurses, doctors, and those that kind of start seeing the other side, you're like, this isn't what we signed up for.

And I do remember feeling that early on in nursing, even before my first son, I just remember thinking like, something is missing here. And I didn't know what it was about, you know, the care we were providing or what we were doing. But it is very much focused on sick care and pushing, you know, all these medicines. But never do you look at the root cause.

never do you look at the body as a whole or the individual's unique. Everything's kind of generalized. So I think it's a mix of good people entering, you know, indoctrination and like wanting to make a difference in believing in it and believing that they are making a difference. Well, it's interesting when you talk about like nobody looks at the whole body for an issue. You know, you got acne. It has to be, you know, whatever.

I'm sure there's a strict, not a strict, but. you get the point like standard this is what it is and you take this and you're going to get rid of it you might have some side effects but don't worry about that this getting rid of your acne and that's what you want isn't it you want to get rid of the acne right um is it is part of it because certainly money i i understand the the influence of money it has but is it is some of it like in order to figure out what is going wrong in a person's life it takes time and effort and you really got to drill down. Heck, you might have to see them multiple times.

And instead, we come, we look at the problem, we offer the solution, and you just, the revolving door. And almost you never build, it must be hard to build relationship with patients that way because it's such a revolving door. I don't know. I'm trying to spit that out. I hope that makes sense. No, no, absolutely.

And I think I never really fully even answered here like one couple of questions ago. but why, you know, we've gone so far away from health, why health is so simple. And it goes back to being, yes, decades of, you know, trying to push us in this one direction. But also the way society has set out our lives is we're meant to be, you know, busy. It's like you have to go to work. You have to, you know, you go from your box at home to your box in your office, your car, whatever it is. And the hours, you don't have time for this. You don't have time to research anything.

You don't have time for your health because you have to, you know, make the money to pay for all the things and health and our bodies are no longer on that priority list. And I remember listening to, I think it was like Dufat Avocado years ago saying something about it's interesting that when we budget, we look at, you know, okay, our car, our, you know, mortgage, things in our house, like blah, blah, blah, all these things. And then it's like, okay, what's left over for food? What's left over for these things, you know, for my body? Okay, how can I get the cheapest, you know, discount on things that I'm. I'm consuming, right? Like, oh, there's a sale on this, you know, product at the grocery store, bring the coupons in. And it's like, that's crazy when you think about it because it's like, well,

like this is our first home. This is our temple. This is what needs to be honored. And I remember hearing that and years ago made the shift and we made changes in our home to be like, okay, first, this is our budget for our family, for our food. This is what we need to get good quality food in our house to nourish us. Okay, what do we have left over? Okay, this means this is like the house that we can afford to live in. This is like the things we can afford to have. This is, you know, we rented out our basement to help supplement these things. When we finally started to reprioritize like what was happening in our lives.

And it takes time and deprogramming and going against what society has told us to do. And also people want quick, quick, quick, because we don't have time to be inconvenienced. And being when I was doing nutrition work and now I'm in the birth world, my focus has always been around babies and children and their health. And so even then, you know, when our kids get sick, it's an inconvenience to us. It's like, well, now we can't go to work. What are we supposed to do? Here, take this town.

I'll stop that fever. Here, take this, get better. Go off to your daycare. Go off to your school. I don't have time for you to be sick. And what message does that send to, you know, our children where it's like, no, their body is going through a healing phase. Their body needs to rest.

Their body needs to detox. their body needs to repair and us as parents need to be there for them to support them through that process which allows them to create this bond with their parent knowing that they can trust them knowing that their parent will always be there to support them and then also showing them hey my body can go through hard things and it's uncomfortable and it can suck but i have this support and then i'm on the other end of it a couple days later and running around and i'm okay and that sets them up for life skills later on too knowing like hey I can get through hard things and my body is amazing and it just did this for me sort of taking away all those lessons no it's it's it's fascinating

it's an interesting thought on prioritizing food last because when you say that I'm like that's that's pretty bang on right like I mean certainly there's families that will disagree with that But for a lot of people, I mean, I lived my college life off of like ramen noodles, mac and cheese, the occasional cheeseburger and everything else went to. I think it goes big into the skillet sensations, the one big deal. Like, I mean, we all go through that point in time. It's like at what point do you realize that what you put in your body, what you put in your body like so influences your world,

not only just your your your physical appearance but your mental health and all the you know like a fun activity i'm sure you've got lots of ideas on this on if somebody's listening and is like well actually i'll tell you what i'll throw it at you because you're the uh the lady who's with all the learning in this you know if you're sitting there and you're listening this and you're like all right i kind of get some she's talking about but like what can i do today like honestly i'm not going to just all of a sudden take all my food out of the house and throw it out and I'm going to go get XYZ and whatever. Is there something little that people can do just to start monitoring what they put in their body? Just to dabble their toe ever so slightly into it and just to be like,

hmm, this is interesting. Yeah, like things that you can change. Like when people, especially when parents would come to me with like their kids, okay, my kids are really picky eater. I don't know what to feed them. It's like, okay, well, what are the things they like? Like, let's just think of, you know, like peanut butter jam sandwiches, for example. Okay, well, what kind of bread are you getting? Maybe you could look at, like, switching, you know, your bread. Do you have, like, somewhere, you know, we're very fortunate. We have a farmer's market. We have our, you know, artisan bakery guy that we go to every weekend. And so we get our sourdough bread. Not everyone has that, but there are, you know, really good bread products at the grocery store. I think it's

called like Silver Creek or something. It doesn't matter because everywhere in Canada has different brands. But like looking at the most minimal ingredients, it should really only have like five things at the most and even then really only three. And then peanut butter, okay, like you don't want to take that away from your child. Okay, can you get like a natural peanut butter instead of craft, you know, where it's just literally just peanuts. Can you do that? Okay, um, jam. Like could you maybe, you know, I mush up a banana on my kid sandwich. Here you go. Um, so little changes like that is maybe trying to find, you know, you don't have to totally get rid of the food, but is there a way of changing the quality of the food and the things that you're doing?

Bread is a huge one because you hear so many people like, oh, I'm gluten intolerant. And it's actually, no, gluten is a protein that very few of us are actually intolerant to unless you have legit psiliac disease. Otherwise, you're intolerant to the process of gluten not being broken down properly and all the other garbage that's in that food with it. So if you think of how bread should be made, it should take three to four hours minimum to be made properly, like a proper loaf of bread.

That's just the minimum. And that breaks down the gluten proteins and makes it accessible for our body to digest and everything. And you're looking at a grocery store bread is like 13 minutes, boom, mix it all together, bake it's in, you know, so it doesn't have time for the gluten to actually break apart and become this molecule that we can digest. So I don't know if that kind of answered your question,

but I think we started slowly of just like, okay, what like one food can we like switch? What's like one product that we can switch? And then it just kind of went from there. And see, I was thinking even a step sooner than that, the idea, and all of those are lovely. I think that's becoming invested in what you put in your body, right? Like just pay attention, you know,

it's a little bit effort, but it's not changing much, right? you're still, you know, you're changing out bread to begin with, right? Like, I mean, for me, it was just journaling it. And all I mean by that is I was just recording what I was putting in my body. You know, we're just going to, nice and simple, you can do it right on your phone. You can open up the notes and just every thing you put something in your body for the day, let's record it. Challenge yourself for a month just to see what you're doing with your diet.

Because, I mean, most of us can't remember what we ate, you know, a couple days ago, let alone a month ago, right? And you might start to see some interesting trends. And the reason, I don't know if I want to say this on air, but the reason, the reason I started is I had a brother who had colitis when he was 18. And I started to have what I believed were symptoms of collapse. There, I'll leave it vague enough. And I went to him because I was freaking out. And he's like, oh, just start monitoring your diet, you dummy. I'm like, oh, yeah, well, that makes, you're You're right. It makes a lot of sense.

So I started doing it. And geez, wouldn't you know? There's certain foods. And I come back to what you're talking about. It might be the certain foods. It might be the way that certain food is made in today's age that just doesn't sit well with your body. It doesn't mean you can never have it again. It just means in that form by that company, yeah, probably not.

Absolutely. The journals are so important because especially in this day and age where we're rush, rush, rush, we're so disconnected from what we're even eating, right? Like most of the time, it's like grabbing in the car, eating on the go. standing and eating and picking and all this stuff. We don't even know like what is even being consumed. Like very rarely do we sit down for, you know, a full meal. Maybe you sit down for dinner at the end of the day.

Maybe. But I would bet most of the meals throughout the day are either in front of a computer screen or on the go or snacking and picking. And it is really important to start, you know, documenting because one, it makes you more accountable. It keeps you kind of connected to what actually you are putting into your body and make you more aware. and sometimes like throughout the day you're like oh my gosh that's like what happened and then you

could add like the step in of the food mood journal and kind of actually like the mood part like how did you feel before after and then you know that kind of documents like you know how you're feeling throughout the day again to connect you back to yourself and your body so you could become aware of what you're actually experiencing and going through and at what time of day and start you know, keeping this account so you can watch for patterns or watch connections and go from there. And again,

it just makes you more aware and brings you back to being connected to yourself because that's a whole other thing in society about how disconnected we are from everything. I think when I listen to you, I just think I understand how one can feel if they do things right. Like it's pretty like awesome, right? But it takes effort. It takes, uh, self-restraint and like you don't need you know whatever your your poison is everybody's got

something they like you know it just hits the taste buds uh and and and you know and that's a lot of what's in the the supermarket these days like it's hard to walk you know i remember reading something once upon a time you know there was an aisle of junk food now you like the entire store is like holy crap right like what happened in here and you know i go back to the hungry brain i read a book by Stephen Guyonet, talking about, like, they've basically manufactured food

to really appeal to not only your taste buds, but like your brain in general about how calorie dense, some of the stuff is, and you mention a whole bunch of different things of the properties of said food. And it's like, yeah,

it's a difficult thing to crack, but if you start journaling, you're going to have days where you don't want to write down what you've ate. Like, Yes. Did I really do that?

Did I really do that? Am I going to put that down there? Like, it's like, oh, I'm having stress about the old food journal after I crushed three donuts and, you know, whatever else you put in your body. Because I've had, I'm not judging anyone. I'm talking about myself in particular. You know, I once, this is a, this is a sad story to tell, but I, we got a cupcake place here in Lloyd. My wife loves cupcakes. So I bought cupcakes.

And I sat him on the thing and I'm, I didn't know which one to get her. and so I bought six different ones Sean ate six different ones trying to figure out which one was the right that was a low day I did figure it out either way but you know that's a day where you're like maybe I skipped the food journal

but you know you start doing things like that it holds yourself accountable to be like okay here's where I started to have issues because that's what I saw when I started doing that it was really simple to see and even to this day if I have

I start to have any issues with my body. It's pretty self-explanatory what I've been doing to it. And it's the food. It's the shitty food I'm putting in it. And I think it's important, too, like those things are okay as long as you're, like, aware when you're eating them and enjoying them. Like, you know, like, of course, have your cupcake or your cake or whatever your vice is, but make sure you're in the moment and actually enjoying it.

because as you know you're enjoying it, it's, you know, nourishing your body because it's making your body like happy. It's bringing in, you know, all these like, you know, memories and, you know, emotions and totally connecting yourself to the food you're eating. It's when you're kind of doing all this stuff in the go and eating, you know, this crap without having any connection to it.

I mean, eating a cupcake that you're super, you know, um, aware of and it's bringing you joy and happiness and it's delicious and you're just, you know, really noticing it. It's reminding me of the 6A, one day. That's like way better for your body than trying to force down a green smoothie that you're hating. It doesn't matter how good that smoothie is. If you are hating it and not enjoying it, it is going to do nothing for your body. It's just going to go right through you and your body is not going to enjoy it. So yeah. Interesting. Can you talk about that for a second? I find that.

So you're saying you could have a healthy, healthy food, but you hate it. It's not going to do anything for your body? No. No. It's going to, create those like emotional connections, which then, you know, will add some stress and bring out, you know, the cortisol and all these other things. And then it'll take away from the actual digestive stages that are hopping in your body. And it's not going to digest the food properly because your body is stressed and we're like trying to repulse it away. So it's not going to break it down, digest it properly. And it's not going to be absorbed into your your body. So is this why certain people can try X and they love it and they get great results off of it?

But the next person tries X and nothing happens because they're just like, this fucking sucks and I'm tired of fucking whatever it is. And although they might get some minor effects from it, overall they're rejecting it. And so their body rejects it? Absolutely. Yeah. You have to be like, you have to enjoy and have pleasure in what you're eating. And, you know, there's a phase of our body of digestion that people don't even know about. And it's called your site, cephalic digestion.

It's spelled the C-E-P-H-A-L-I-C. I think I spelled that out right. Anyway, cephalic. And that is, like, how you're connecting to your food. So if you kind of picture the setting of, like, you know, you're making dinner, you have all, you know, your produce out, whatever you need. So you're visualizing it. You're touching it. You're feeling it.

Choping it. smelling it and your body starts to be in this calm state of like, okay, like, you know, food is being prepared. Okay, let's start turning on the digestive system. Let's start getting this library glands ready. Let's start getting all these things ready to work, you know, starting igniting that fire in our gut. And then it's like, okay, then we hear the food sizzling.

So that, you know, affects our senses as well. Now we got like sound into this as well. And, you know, and then it's, you know, slowly being prepared. and then we sit down to eat it. We're having good conversation. We're actually sitting down. We are connected to our environment, our food, everything about it, and then we start eating it. Our body is like ready to digest it, to break it down, to absorb it.

And it's hopefully something that you enjoy as well versus what today's day and ages is going through drive-through, grab your muffin and coffee, downing it as you go, not paying any attention. your entire digestive system has not been turned on. So it could taste, you know, it's just not going to work. And that is kind of the same thing for if you are hating something, your digestive system is not going to be turned on for that. And, you know, you could enjoy, you know, a cupcake or something else. Maybe it's putteen. But you are in this environment where you're laughing, you're having fun.

It's joyful. Like you are, you know, you love every bite. ate it's, you know, and then that's going to do a lot more for you than hating something. I feel like Kristen's guilty pleasure is a putty. No, actually, I hate them. I don't know why I thought about that. I think it's in a book that I read before. I think that was the example they used.

That reminds me of like my younger self after the bar. That's what we would go to. And you're not noticing what you're eating at that point. No. No. That's fascinating because, I've never been a big hand-on cook.

I just don't think I'm good at it. And saying that, I don't apply myself, so that's probably why I'm not a good at. Anyways, so over the course of maybe the last four months-ish, I've been really starting to apply myself more. And geez, wouldn't you know, you kind of enjoy it? And gee, it almost feels like it tastes a little better.

and when you talk about just the time and the smells and the sounds and the hands on whatever you're cutting up or whatever else, I'm like, that makes a lot of sense. And it's something that for sure my parents and any generation before that would have had to have done. In today's world, specifically the Western world, we've moved so far away from that. It's not even funny anymore. Right? Like, the drive-thru has replaced a lot of things. Fast food has replaced. I mean, think of all the things that have Doordash and skip the dishes and all these different things where, you know, as a family, I feel like, in saying this, the Newman family is interesting, five kids.

So you can imagine everybody raced because of the first person to get dessert usually got a second helping of dessert, you know? anyways overall though the pace of life slowed down around dinner time everybody shut off everything that you know it was really focused up being around the table enjoying one another's company talking etc and uh you know over the course of my life the tv you know it was cool when somebody had a tv in the kitchen and now it's becoming more and more a mainstay you have the tv the game's on you're watching this you take your food to the couch etc i'm not one here to knock just more an observation of that we've moved from one place to another where the pace is constantly busy.

You're watching something, probably shoveling it in, not really paying attention. All these things add up. And when I hear you talk about food preparation, how your body, like, that's really interesting. Yeah, and all these things that we take for granted. Like, even, like, where our food comes from? Like, where was it grown? Like, who, you know, cultivated it? You know, we have been so removed by so many things.

I remember when I first learned about, like, you know, how Brussels sprout grew. I remember that kind of, like, really fascinating me. I was like, because we would, when we switched to, from the grocery store and we go to the farmer's market, they would bring in, like, these stalks of Brussels sprouts. And I was like, oh, like, that's how it's grown. I have no idea. Like, with all these things, like, we have no idea even where our food comes from or, you know, the love that went into growing it or like all all these things right it's just everything is just so

fast paced and um we just we never slow down to think about these little things and how it's so important for us and you know fast forward to um well because i was talking about my past of how it brought me here you know fast forward to the last like two years it's just um which is why so many were able to be blinded because we didn't have that connection to ourselves or surroundings or anything prior to that. So the book, before I forget, in case anybody listening is interesting, the book that kind of helped bring all my nutrition stuff together, it's called The Nourishing Wisdom of Food.

And I just loved it. And that's when it kind of also talks about that food is not good or bad, it's neutral. It is also how we view it and how it makes our body feel. So it's like trying to remove even like these labels because if we're labeling food before we even consume it, it's already going to have that impact in our mind and in our body. So nourishing wisdom of food for anyone that is interested.

Have you always grown up in a city, Kristen? Yeah. Okay. Then I'm curious about this because I, shameless plug for the Sean Newman podcast again, I have a show coming up on Sunday, January 22nd, discussing the rural urban divide. basically a whole bunch of topics that all center around how, you know, rural country folk still have a strong connection to a lot of things and how the world of the city just, you know, has their own power.

Destroyed it? I don't know. I'll let you. You're the, you've grown up in a city. So I just, to me, I feel like there's certain things about a city. great. But there's some things that, whether it's through media, politicians, I haven't quite figured out the answer. That's the whole point in the show, is to discuss this and see how if there's commonalities to pull us back together. You know, I always, well, you go back to the population, it's 83.3% of Canada's population

lives in urban settings. If you go back to the dirty thirties out here in Saskatchewan, what they did was they gave everybody, I'm speaking specifically to Saskatoon, they gave everybody garden plots because the rural urban split was actually leaned towards rural. There was more people on farms than there was in the city. So what they did is they gave them garden plots.

I'm like, geez, can you imagine that today? Like, I mean, it's probably physically impossible. I have no idea. But I found that very interesting, right? Like they push people to grow food so they could survive because they could see the problem coming. Growing up in the city, you know, and now going into the path you've gone and having a lot of things, you just were like, wow, I didn't realize this. You know, sitting on this side, I feel like out in the West, and maybe I'm wrong on this. I just think there's some things we all are still close enough to that we almost take for granted.

because we're not that far removed from the farm, lots of us, or lots of us are still on it. I don't know. That's a long-winded kind of open-ended question. Yeah, no, and I totally get it. I think I've always kind of been in, like, a nature person. Like, I would actually, like, love to be in more space, and maybe one day that'll happen. But I think there's, like, reasons why I happen. Yeah, I know. It's very enticing right now. So I think there's a lot of, you know, benefits to, to the city.

Like I do, you know, we have, especially, you know, London has, I've been very blessed, especially over the last, like, three years when it was absolutely necessary to have such a strong community. You know, we have our, you know, local coffee shop that has known my family since my oldest was, like, one. And we've, like, you know, grown up there. And, you know, it's just very personable. We, you know, there's like all the activities and, you know, for the kids. and whatever. Like there's things. There's things to get involved in. Are they, you know,

absolutely necessary? Um, you know, probably not because out, you know, in the country, you'd find other ways of activities and, um, sports for kids or ways to keep busy and other skills to learn. And there's just other things out there to connect to. What I feel fortunate about is London, although very southern Ontario, um, where it is densely populated. Um, we are surrounded by, um, farmers. And so that's in my, last seven, eight years or all this like past learning about food have been able to connect to

many of them. And so we have, you know, a direct source of produce if needed. Throughout the summer we were able to contact our farmers for like bulk food to we got groups together to learn how to can and preserve our food. We did figure out in the city like

lots of people where there's community garden plots popping up everywhere now for people to grow their own food and connect. If they don't have the space at home. I did a front yard garden, so I turned my entire front yard into a whole, like, garden as well as tried to do the back with vegetables and medicinal plants. So all those things are coming back. And then we even have, I don't even know, we have a milk source. Don't say that too loud. The dairy cartel will be after you.

I know. So I was like, isn't it weird that you can't talk about this? You're going to have some guy in a suit falling you down the street. You're going to be over milk. And it's like old school. It gets dropped off at our house every two weeks in glass jars and we return the other glass jars. So there's a lot of things that we have found even being in the city to connect directly to to farmers and our community coming together to do these community garden plots or to practice preserving food and canning and having people around to learn.

these skills together. So we're trying to draw, I guess, on, you know, some of the rural outskirts and bring it into the city. They create a mix. Do you ever think it's possible for the two populations, the rural urban split to, I don't know, I don't, I sound corny when I say come together, but I can't, you know, like I just, to me,

I see so many things where they've wedged the two populations against each other. And they use that split to push them further apart and exposure issues and blah, blah, blah, blah. And it goes on and on and on. And as the population leans more to urban centers, you know, the idea, well, not the idea, I guess. My thought is, is that, you know, we're just going to lose more and more of our heritage. And in that heritage is a lot of, like, really smart things. Their thing literally talking about. Is there any way, like, is there any way to pull them back together?

is it and that while you chew on that one other thing i'm thinking is is is why they're so far apart because of media and politics and things or is it just everyday life that just happens you focus on the problems you have in front of you got to get across the city to wherever so x becomes the problem and and that's what you focus on i i think a lot of the divide and i don't know i'm just kind of making up stuff that I think is just how city people live in the city right like they don't have time you know to to think about the roar or you know a lot of people are like oh nature like oh I don't want to grow my own food or oh I don't want to think about that like it's all about conveniences a lot of you know people in the city it's like how can I get this faster do this faster you know your your internet

slows down and you're freaking out and you know you can't like send xyz emails and do all the things is all at once. And I think it's just come down to conveniences. And that way of life and whirl is just a complete inconvenient. Why would they do that when everything could be just handed to you at a press of a button or you just go pick it up or here it is or everything is just done for you? Why would you have to think or use your hands or do any of these things when it's right in front of you?

I don't know. I think it's just the way the two. societies live are completely different, but do I think there's a way to bring them together? Yes. And I think even more so now than ever, I think it's more important to do that because there's a lot of things that are going to be happening from now until, I don't know, five years or onward. I don't even know. Like we're going through a lot of crazy changes that are going to affect a lot of people

and we all can't become homesteaders. As awesome as that sounds. not everyone can leave the city and become a homesteader. And I saw you had Megan Garland on and I love her. And she's amazing what she has done, you know, left city life five years ago and created this amazing place to live in. And I found now that we've created a really great homeschool community here as well over the last few years. And some of the homesteaders have opened up to that.

So now they have like homeschool programs like come out, learn how to make goat cheese, learn how to, you know, make soap, learn how to see, you know, how we run our, you know, 12 to 50 acre homestead and take those skills and bring them back. So I do feel that there is this more uniting and this relationship happening. And it's like, okay, well, you want to live and survive on your homestead and are feeling that you need a little bit of an income. Okay, me in the city will come and purchase, you know, items from you. and or learn a new skill or vice person we share.

So I think now more than ever there needs to be more of a coming together and learning. And yeah. Well, Meg Garland, I better, the listeners are like, did I miss an episode? I was on Meg Garland, an Instagram live. We did a, she did an Instagram live with me for the first time ever. So you didn't hear that here because it's on Instagram. and her account and well folks i know lots of people are like when you're doing things put it on here so i can just tune in and listen that was uh my first ever instagram live i get to meet her

february fourth which i'm excited about and you're making a strong case as to why i should bring her on here uh uh uh to talk about her story and i guess we'll wait and see with the listener because they uh you know it started every new year christin i i put out and then usually a couple times through the year i put out this thing like who would you like to see on the other you like to see on the show, you know? And, uh, and I think I've said this story a couple times, so I'll be quick about it, but essentially, you know, I get lots of big names, you know, like Donald Trump, sure, or heck, if you could get president Joe and I kind of truckle, I'm like, I mean, sure. Uh, but then you get, uh, and this is no knock on you, because I'd be the same way if I'm across somebody else's,

uh, uh, question like this. It's like, you should get Chris Negel. And I'm like, well, who is that, right? Now you have my attention because you've just given me a name that, uh, uh, certainly is well known. I'm not knocking that. Just on my view, I didn't know who you were. I was like, as soon as I started digging, I'm like, oh, I kind of get, okay, fair enough, easy. And all different conversations come out of my audience. My audience is who directs half this show, maybe three quarters. Heck, maybe they're, maybe they're the, you know, nine-tenths. They do a lot of deciding where we go with this thing, and I just get to hold on and sit across from people such as yourself. So it's, it's been a it's been a cool um little ride you know as we sit here and we talk all this through

and certainly maybe uh you know down the road we'll have to have a uh a show with christin asking all about your different options for uh medicines that don't require going to the drug story i'm curious you know 2020 comes you you've been through your weird moment with with uh being a nurse stumbling upon the stuff and being like man this is you're cool stuff. We should be like doing all this stuff. Oh, yeah. And everyone's kind of like, mm, nope, and then this comes along. I mean,

I think majority of my listener, I think I'm jumping to a conclusion, know about Canadian front line nurses. Like, I think I think that's probably one of the first ones I saw, to be honest. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but when 2020

drops, Sean is going about his business, la-da-da-da-da. And it takes until 20, 21, until he changes his tune. Lead us through the start of that for you, because that must have been, I smile, but I assume that was not an easy time.

No, it's kind of crazy to reflect back now. My youngest just came home and had to announce himself. Sorry. It might get kind of loud in here now, so I'll do my best. And if we need to wrap up and have you on a different time,

Chris, and we can do that too. It's totally fine. We'll see what happens. I just need to settle in, so we'll see. So my youngest, that little guy is loud and wild. He was born in 2018. And that was, so each, and then now I'm expecting my third,

that's a whole other journey in itself. Congratulations. Thank you. So the first was about food. The second was about childhood immunizations. And then that was what really went, the betrayal of my profession set in for me. when I really felt the betrayal and the lies and the corruption, when I uncovered everything about childhood immunizations,

and then germ theory versus train and whatever else you want to go into that topic. So I started talking about- I'll pause you right there because you got childhood. See, here's the dangerous thing, folks. She's got kids at home like, okay, how much time do I really got before this blows up? Because I also have three young kids, and I know exactly how this goes. childhood immunizations. What do you mean? Give us the downlaw. Okay, well, just, you know, the vaccinations that you would get, you know, at a baby year for your two months, six months, and beyond.

So prior, it kind of started with, you know, my first when, and sorry, this does all tie into 2020, and sorry, I'm kind of long-winded at times. No, no, it's all good. I stopped you and asked the question, so don't kill that at all. So I realize if I'm so concerned about, you know, my oldest, like the food he's consuming, you know, I made all those changes. Okay, products going on, his skin. Okay, his environment, whatever. I was like, don't I need to know what he's being injected with? Because that is something we do not learn about in nursing.

You learn that it is like the greatest medical invention to date. All children need it to survive. Here's the schedule. Go on it. Like literally, they're safe and effective. of course, you know, that tagline. And then you're not taught anything else about it, just the fears of if you don't get it, this will happen.

And so I was like, well, I can't be so concerned about food and all these things and not research what is going into his body. So I did it backwards. So I started researching the actual diseases that they're being injected for because I realized that was something else we were never taught. I was like, what actually is diphtheria, what really is, tetanus, where does that come from? Protesis, all these things.

What is diphtheria? You know what? This is so long ago that I don't even really, is it like a gastro, like a diarrhea, like a, you know, yeah, I think it's kind of a gastro disease that I need to go back, and I apologize to listeners that I forget. Diphtheria is a serious infection caused by strains of bacteria

called something that I can't pronounce diphtheria that may toxin. It can lead to difficulty breathing. heart rhythm, problems, and even death. Okay, I would bit off on that. Maybe I was thinking of the other one. Anyways, I knew this all seven years ago, but I've since moved into other things.

And the pregnancy makes me a little bit more forgetful too. I'll blame it on that too. So we started researching these diseases. What are they? How do you get them? What's the worst case scenario? Are there treatments for them? What can you do?

How can you be, like, proactive? and preventive and like what is that? So once I kind of dove into like the worst of each disease, I was like, well, that's not so bad because we live in a civilization where all these things are kind of a mute point and I shouldn't really need to worry about this if I'm doing all the things we're already doing in our house to stay healthy and thriving. So I was like, okay, now let's go into the actual injection.

What's it made with? How does it work? What are the adjuvants? What is an adjuvant? What are the ingredients in it? Okay, it opens up your blood-brain barrier, and then the aluminum has to go in because it has to open up the cell

in order to get the virus in there. So anyways, started looking at that, and then I looked into train theory and then, you know, viruses. Do they exist the way we've been taught? Whole their discussion. When you look in all these things, what is it that,

over the course of seven years that really sticks out to you that you think people need to know? That they are a complete lie and unnecessary, that there is not one vaccine to date that is necessary for us, for preventable diseases. And why, you think about my childhood for sure, and probably one listening, I think we've all had a vaccine or however many,

you know, the childhood ones for sure, I got kids, et cetera. You've just said something that contradicts everything that we do to this point. And normally I'd probably roll my eyes and be like, okay, except, well, all the listeners know where we've been to the last two years. So I'm curious. Not tetanus, not nothing. No, no. And so that leads me to, I was in my doctor's office starting to kind of be aware of these things, asking questions about my first.

And it was just a fear-based conversation. Well, if he doesn't get it, then this is going to happen to him. It wasn't a productive conversation. It wasn't, was not listening to me. It was like, you know, the guilt trip of, you know, mom, if you don't do this for your son, then this will happen to him. And it will be like basically all your fault. So I walked out of there and I thought, I'm never going to feel like that again.

I want to be convicted in my research, you know, the evidence. and everything, I wanted to come from me and not from a state of emotion, not from fear and not from what ifs. So yes, if we're going to go through with the rest of these injections, yes, then we're going to do it. And I've done the research. I know the risks. I know what it all does. Okay, then yes, we're going for it. Or if it's a no, then I want to be confidently knowing.

It doesn't matter what kind of fear and guilty put on me. I know in my heart, like what is right and what I've studied. and I'm going to stand firm on that. So my oldest I stopped at 18 months, my youngest who was four has had absolutely zero, like nothing. And I look at him and I think, you know, throughout his four years, especially his first two years of life and they're really pushed. And I look, I'm like, how could I ever think that this beautiful child ever needed something man-made synthetic in your perfectly God-created body? Why did I ever think that you were flawed, that you needed something from us that was not given to you from, you know, crater?

That, you know, generations of thousands and thousands of who even knows how long have survived up until this point. And I just think, you know, thriving and beautiful. And I just, I just couldn't imagine. And then the research, I just kept doing more and diving deep, deep, deep. and it just kind of kept confirming where I was coming from. And I started listening more. I was really closed off at one point. I was like, oh, you know, those anti-vaxxers, those parents, like, they're all weird.

And just really closed off from hearing any stories. And then I started opening, and opening up and listening. And when you listen, it's amazing what you can learn from. And when you are open and able to actually hear, hear people and their experiences and what you can take away from that, that they do not come without risk, they do not come without harms, and that we do need to evaluate the risk versus benefits. And when we do that, the risks or the benefits do not outweigh the risks. And then I dove deep into, you know,

Thomas Cowan's work and beyond and that got into, you know, our viruses really something, you know, from the outside or are they within an exosome. So that was a big conversation too. Are we even, you know, fighting something that exists? Or are we fighting something that was from

poor sanitation, nutrition, wartime stress, famine, that were creating all these diseases. Was it really from an outside germ virus or was it the condition of society at that time? And there's things that if you look into any of Rudolf Steiner's work, which pretty, I don't know, I'm always intrigued by his work, but there's things that we go through as children where we have different phases of the body. You know you have your physical body, your water body, mineral, and I forget the air, probably air.

And these different phases happen you go through, you know, in a childhood illness, but it's a detox or an upgrade or something that moves you into the next phase. And it actually prepares you to be strengthened and more resilient in your adulthood and decreases all the other risks of all these other things that might happen in when you become an adult. So they're all necessary and not to be skipped. why do you think why do you think then all these changes have happened over the course of 100 or 200 or you know like I'd read a book

um forest Morodi I think it was trying to think it was all about polio actually and and then it went into a bit of the history on vaccines actually that was read a couple anyways and just talked about the vaccine argument's been going on for

over 300 years. Like they were talking back a long time ago, well, 17 and something, that they, the first ever primitive, and I use that word lightly, vaccine, was first being informed and people argued back then, and it's been a strong argument ever, you know, ever since. So I hear you, and then I'm like, so why, why is it all being pushed the way it's being pushed? Is it just after a generation disappears, you've forgotten more. It's no different than the rural, urban split, like your food supply and different things. As you remove yourself further and further and further from where it actually started,

you've forgotten more, and now you're sitting where you're sitting where you, you know, science is the gospel. Medicine and different things like that realm, the vaccine, is so high. You just do it. And nobody even questions it anymore because everyone, everybody's forgotten so much, you know, like I don't remember polio in the mid-50s. Well, I guess it shouldn't say the mid-50s. I should say the multiple times it came around since the beginning of the 1900s, if memory serves me, correct. So, like, is it because there's nobody there to actually tell us what went on that we've forgotten,

and so we just are where we're at? Or what do you think? maybe but there's also like new emerging um like evidence that you know has come out that i'm not denying ever that people suffered that you know there was these symptoms um that they labeled as polio um that these things happened but it's matter of like what caused it and the root cause yeah and we were very quick to label it as a virus and the studies that determined that

were very shoddy at best like they would drill holes in animals' brains and stuff it with infected tissue and then the animal would die like there was two monkeys really when they did this with polio. Drilled two holes in the monkey's brains

put inoculated tissue into it. The one monkey died and the other had severe neuro neuro issues. And they're like, see, polio virus, it was the virus, it did it. Instead of like, you know, well, you drilled a hole straight through their brain and shoved it with tissue, I think that would cause some, some problems. And this was a lot of like Louis Pasteur's experiments as well, like stuff like this.

Like when he was like studying like rabies, he would drill holes into dogs heads and do the same thing, like just crazy stuff back then. So I'm not saying that things didn't happen. It didn't happen in a large population. But I think we're very quick to jump to what caused it. And during those years of polio, there was this huge push on soda arsenic, let arsenic on, you know, like candy fields like sugar canes and things like that in other areas. Plus the DDT that they just thought was so helpful.

And they used to like, you know, and I've heard people talk about, they used to chase after the DDD. EDT truck because it smelled sweet and be all consumed in the spray. Like crazy things were happening and it's fascinating to me that we're not going back now to look at the whole picture when we have all this evidence. We still want to call it virus and that goes back to money. There's a lot of money in virus research and virus caused cancer or virus causes disease and there's a lot of money to be had there.

I'm glad you brought up all that stuff because the book I read by Forrest Morodi and I'm you know what folks I have the power of the internet how would I just look it up it's the right there let's see what he has the moth in the iron lung no I was wondering that's what it was I couldn't remember the author but I remember the title the moth and the iron lung it talks it just once again it's it's kind of uh you know instead of just looking at the symptom and and then everybody racing to get a vaccine Because you'll talk to old timers about that time and how paranoid and all that, you know, it was affecting kids. And it was like, it was a serious thing. I'm not knocking how serious it was. But in the book, he talks about, yeah, but, you know, basically they were spraying all the food with pesticides and different things. And you mentioned off like six of them.

And nobody done any studies on that yet, right? And they started to see trends where, and, you know, and so you're like, oh, right? like, oh, but now the money side of it, it's just interesting. It's just, so for the history of time then, the root of all evil is money, and money has been screwing us over and over and over and over and over again. And yeah, in the control of it. And it really is disheartening to see that we have all this evidence, you know, and research to go back on and we're not.

And, you know, bring us into 2020, and that's how you've kind of gone in this conversation, and why I knew when they started pushing 2019 in Wuhan, I was like, oh, this is not good. Like I knew then because following the vaccination schedule and push, knowing how many more they're adding to the schedules, knowing, you know, about money because, like, I had chickenpox as a kid. I didn't have a vaccine for it.

And now we're supposed to fear it because it's going to kill us and it's going to kill our children if they don't get it. You know, measles used to be even mumps, like all those things used to be a thing. They were in TV shows. They would make jokes about it. There was like a whole sitcom about like the Brady kids. They're like,

this is the best like illness to have. We got a day off school and get to play board games. But as soon as it comes out with a vaccine, then we have to fear it. It is definitely it's fatal. It's all these things when, no, it was just a normal illness that sucked. And you got over it and got on with your life and we're stronger for it.

So I knew following what they're doing with vaccinations. that they were going to try and mandate something on adults. I didn't know how they were going to do that. What was going to bring that in? Because that was going to be the big moneymaker to finally mandate something on adults. And when Wuhan was talking, they're talking about this flu and it's deadly. And I was like, okay, well, flu one is symptoms of detoxing.

They're trying to heal from. Dr. Zach Bush already predicted that there was going to be like some kind of outbreak in Wuhan at that time because of the glyphosate levels and the winter. And anyways, he went on this whole spiel back in early 2020 about cyanide poisoning. Super fascinating how he predicted that it was going to happen there before it even happened. But anyways, I knew that I'm like, they're going to use this to mandate something on adults. Also knew masks being a nurse one, knew they were not helpful, knew that our union had fought for us in BC, in Ontario, in 2015 and 2018 and one. Because if you didn't get the flu shot, you had to wear a mask or not be allowed back.

to work if there was an outbreak and our unions proved that they were discriminatory and did not stop transmission. So I was like, well, we already did this in 2018. So why, you know, and we learned from Spanish flu, masks did not help. It created bacterial pneumonia. And I was like, why are we playing this game? So just things did not make sense. And then coming from the holistic side, I was like, okay, everyone wants to pump everyone full of fear. How about I try to give you actual solutions of how to be preventative? Okay, human connection is key. We need to feel love and supported and connected. As soon as we're isolated and in fear, that's when we can start manifesting illness and

become sick when we're in that place of stress and fear. Okay, vitamins, okay, good food. Here are some herbal remedies. Here are some plants. Here are things to boost your immune system. Here are things to stay healthy and active and not succumb to the fear. So that's what I started talking about early on of 2020. And that was getting me in trouble.

Well, I was already in trouble with the College of Nurses back in 2018 for talking about childhood immunizations. And I told them I wasn't going to do it again unless they came after my kids. And I just didn't expect it to be like a year later. And I was like, oh, well, that did last long. So here we go. And so I was trying to remove the fear and just talk about actual tips and preventative things to do and how to support.

your body and that was not taken well by colleagues that was not taken well by you know social media Facebookers that wanted to live in fear and I was realized I was going to be ostracized very early on at work and then you know so started talking about this early on come March everything shuts down you know even people are like oh yeah I don't think we have to be too afraid and then once things shut down then you know everyone lost their mind and forgot everything they knew nurses, you know, that, you know, back to putting the mask on, even though our union just won, then, you know, like, it just was crazy. They shut down an entire gynecology wing right beside our floor for overflow COVID patients

that remained empty the entire time, not one patient up there. So you can imagine all these appointments that were canceled to make room for this wing stayed empty. Then our respiratory therapists were told that they were going to have to work adult emerge when it got really busy. Our respiratory therapist never left our floor. The hospital was never overwhelmed. I had friends in the ER that said it's the slowest it's ever been.

And I was like, okay, then we can start talking about this normally. We can start having conversations. Oh, no, we can't. Okay, we still have to play this game. And yeah, my shifts at work became incredibly stressful. Couldn't talk to anyone. I mostly kept myself. I'd sit in the back.

do my work. And then I was watching the stress happening to parents. So parents had to be masked all the time in front of their baby. Their baby couldn't see their face. Only one parent at the bedside. And we work with micro-prems, so 23-week babes. Like that is incredibly stressful time for parents. Like that is a time where support is needed.

And they were told only one person at the bedside in 24 hours. So they would go without seeing their children. they would go without seeing their spouse. They had to switch. They had to take in all that information with some doctors alone, no support. Then if you're on the antinatal wing, which was if you're high risk pregnancy, you know, on bed rest, you had to pick one support person that could see you that entire time. So, you know, you'd pick your one person.

They need to go without seeing anybody for weeks or months on end. Higher stress level, because now, you know, they place all the stress when you're supposed to be in bed rest. C-sections, fathers or partners were not at. allowed in the OR room during C-sections, even though there's like eight or more medical staff in there, but that one, you know, the father was going to be too many. You couldn't have, you know, the partner in there to see the birth of their baby. And then I, there was one, I probably happened a few times, but I remember when I first thought, I was like, oh my gosh, the mother had to be put under a general anesthetic, which meant she was

completely knocked out. And I was like, both parents just missed the birth of their baby. And then you think of all these repercussions that are going to be handed over because I've been really the last like two years really kind of like kind of obsessed with like the birth world because of what I was a part of when I saw and I feel like needed to be a part of those things to push me to the other side and I was like how would you connect to that baby like you like you were under general anesthetic all these drugs all these things happening and then someone hands you a baby like this is yours and no one was there to witness it um anyways

awful awful things were happening in the unit I remember there last story I don't talk I haven't talked about this in probably almost three years now. And if a baby came from a mom who tested positive and we didn't know if that baby was going to be positive, so our NICU team would be outside of the OR team. We couldn't go into the room to receive the baby anymore. They had to put the baby down on a cart

and push the cart out to us. And then we picked up the baby. But if the baby was, you know, from a positive mom, baby had to be put on this little cot put a hood over it and this is like a micropram and we had to transport it to a specific COVID room so it wouldn't infect the the other recess room recitation room and we had to take it to this cart gown glove do all the things then take the hood off and then resuscitate the baby and it was like are you for real are you guys actually for real telling me this we're going to risk

this baby's life because of a positive test like we have we have seconds here to work with this micropram and we're going to take the time and they're like no it'll happen really quickly it'll be okay it's like this is not okay this is not how we practice medicine we are supposed to know that we are going into the worst of the worst this is what we signed up for and we know that we put on the right precautions and that this patient comes first before anything else anyways it was so hard to be in that environment um that i i couldn't i couldn't do it just got to do it. That's, um,

sorry, I'm laughing in that awkward laugh. Yeah, yeah, no, well, yeah, it's funny because I,

I do the same thing, you know, you laugh. Nothing about it was funny. Yeah, that's exactly right. You know, was it an easy thing then

to start Canadian front line, uh, nurses? Was, was that like an easy thing to do? Or was that a very difficult decision? Um, it kind of,

everything that kind of happened in those beginning, years wasn't really anything I had decided on doing. Like, I just was speaking out and, you know, and asking questions and questioning things. And then September of 2020, I had an opportunity to speak at City Hall against the masks on kids. And I thought, okay, I've been doing a lot of Instagram lives. I've been, you know, saying stuff at work. I've been keyboard warrior.

Okay, this is my opportunity to actually put action into things I've been saying because I hadn't known at that point, like, what to do. So I went to City Hall. I spoke. The video from that ended up going viral. My speech, I guess, as a nurse and the things I was speaking out about kids. I didn't realize at that time that there's a lot of people still, like, upset that wanted the masks on kids.

So reports started flooding into my college at that point because people wanted masks on kids. and then because that video went viral of me at City Hall, I got connected to some bigger people like Amanda Forbes of Children's Health Defense Canada and things like that. And people are like, oh, you're a nurse, you spoke out. Will you speak at this rally? So the first rally I spoke out publicly was November 14th and 15th in Ontario.

So those are my first time speaking out publicly. And then I was connected with a mall. in Elmer who made big news because she was throwing a rally November 7th at the the little town of Elmer doesn't mean anything to your viewers this town but I mean Elmer has made the news a bit if anyone looks it up. Kimberly Neuadarf this mom was amazing she threw this rally and the mayor of Elmer tried to actually shut down the entire city like you put this emergency order around the city whatever he did and all it did was actually put Elmer on the map and everyone can't came in from Toronto everywhere and it was like this massive like rally. And I was so impressed by this, this woman who I became friends with that I was like, okay, if she can do this, then what can I do in London?

And a girlfriend and I were like, no, we've been talking about trying to do something for so long, like we have to do something. So organized a rally in my hometown, November 22nd, 2020. And that's when kind of everything had changed. because I was actually suspended at that time because of said colleagues that didn't like my outside of work behavior because I wouldn't wear a mask living my life.

I lived my life and didn't do the bubbles, didn't do anything. And then I'd come to work and follow protocol, like all the things. But they were scared of me. They were scared to me because I was living my life normally outside of the hospital. And anyways, I was suspended from work already because of colleagues, complaints. about me. I was apparently insubordinate, not wearing proper PPC. I was like, did I just say that, right? PPE or so I'd like state them like. Right.

Personal protective equipment, the PPE. And so I held this freedom rally in my hometown. And I knew I'd probably be fired from work. I knew all these things would happen. What I was not ready for, because I was so naive and just not in this world was the media. And that was the first media, my first media debut was November 22nd, 2020, Colin Butler of CBC, and completely just defamed my character. Like, oh my gosh, the slander and defamation was unreal. And that destroyed me for many reasons. My character was destroyed.

I was a reckless and dangerous nurse that was putting premature baby. babies in danger so you can imagine how that would you know go off for people then I became very public for my family which they were not ready for or expecting and I was put under investigation by the College of Nurses and it was just a very public ordeal in my community and just the hate the hate that poured in yeah I was not ready for it I was I was I was broken I was a broken mess at that point and I had the choice to stay broken and allow the investigation and whatever to go on and ignore it and stop. Or I could pull myself back together and do something.

And at that time, I knew there was a nurse in Toronto that had spoken out before me at a rally, Sarah's Union. And I was like, okay, like, I need to connect more with her. We're going to do something. I started messaging these American nurses that I knew had spoken out, like Nurse Aaron. of the epicenter that did the spy camera. And anyways, in New York. And Nicole Serachek reached out to them. And they're like, okay, yes, there's enough nurses of us.

We can do this. Erin was looking at hosting a nurse's summit. So she was looking and doing it in Tampa where she is. And then we have this opportunity to do it in D.C. on a health and freedom stage where there was going to be, you know, a bigger crowd and, you know, more people to get our message from. so we're like, okay, let's go. So we formed global frontline nurses at this time.

This was early January, 2021. Flew to Sarah and I flew to D.C., met up with four, six other American nurses, spoke on this stage. We all shared our stories from, you know, all parts of the states and different areas of nursing, all sharing our concerns. And we were kind of naive at that point. We thought, if we can get all these nurses together, like, how would people ignore, like, all our stories? They're all the same. and yeah, Sarah and I were very naive to the political environment happening at that time. And so when we came home, we were again internationally defamed this time and slandered for being domestic terrorists that were there to storm and riot the capital building.

And we were both terminated from our jobs immediately. and yeah, that's kind of when Canadian frontline nurses was birthed, I guess. That's when it all began because we're like, well, we're already in it. We better keep going. You know, you're on a long list of people I've started to run into or maybe have graced the airwaves of the podcast that have had the media turn on them or had the public come after them. And the initial shock, I keep hearing,

and I honestly, I hope never to experience such a thing. I've had my own dealings here with, you know, having a podcast that allows such horrendous things to be talked about. But how did you, like, did you lean on your husband, like your family? How did, you know, I don't know. I'm just, it has to be. such a lonely feeling of getting through that. And I hate to put you right back in the spot.

I just, you know, like, it's hard to remember back then, you know, like, one of the lovely things about Ottawa and the convoy and, you know, catching it in Ontario is when we caught up to it and seeing the amount of people, even though the CBC wouldn't talk about it. The amount of people on the highway in minus 30 to 40 just out there wearing their emotions on their sleeve everywhere was a thing of absolute beauty. But up until that point, even catching the dang thing,

I was like, if this thing is only 10 cars long, I'm going to be pissed. Like I was just like, and then, you know, as we got closer, you could see the remnants of where thousands of people had stood in the ditches and everything else. And you're like, well, I don't think it's only 10 cars because like look at what's everywhere, everywhere we went. It was like, I don't know, Canada today.

but on absolute steroids, right? And for a lot of us, I think, a lot of people, whatever choice you made, those days really represented, wow, we are more than what they keep telling us we are. And to see everybody come together like that was really, really, really, really, I can tack about 50 more on there. Cool. But it was a time where we started to realize,

Holy crap, like there's people who think like this. Like, what is going on? Because you don't see it on the airwaves. I mean, certainly there's little shows like this that, you know, we're talking about it, you know, for well over the last year and et cetera. And there's more than just me. But when your entire institution of a country tells you you're an idiot, misogynist, the racist, anti-vax or this, blah, blah, blah, blah,

you know, you felt the full force of it, I guess, is what I'm trying to get. to. There's even, I think there were schools, nursing schools that started to teach about me. Kristen Nagel, whatnot. Yeah, what not to do nursing schools. I think there's still one that teaches about me. And there was a girl in one of the class that disagreed. I think they had to write in this assignment about why Kristen Agil is a conspiracy

theorist. And she's like, but I agree with her. And she got kicked out of the class. So pretty interesting. But it was. I'm crazy. It was really hard. Like I was,

my adrenals were shot. I'm sure I was in like major adrenal fatigue, the stress, the, just the emotional weight, just all of it. I was in, you know,

dark places for a while and they would come and go and come and go. The death threats. I just, you know, the people that things that can come out of people's mouths, like the vileness and the hairlness and the hate. It's like, holy, like, you know, you kind of take it a little personally, but then you have to realize, like, these people are not okay. If they can think this way, like, you almost start

feeling bad for them that they have so much, like, hate in their hearts, but I relied a lot of my husband. He was really supportive and really great because, like I said, I didn't really plan for any of this to happen. It was just kind of, I just felt the urge to speak out. Speaking out was a lot easier than trying to pretend that everything going on was okay around me. That's what everyone said. Like, oh, you're so brave. Like, speaking out was so hard. And I was like, no, that was the easy part.

Like, the hardest part was, you know, staying quiet before. But my husband community, I was thankful that we had already established this strong community prior. I ran a business with two other moms and it was called sweaty, successful moms. And the key to that was actually growing a community. of women who wanted to raise leaders who were wholeheartedly connected to the earth. And so we had this like community already established, which was incredible to lean on. Some, you know, left when we became too extreme.

But for the most part, we had this community. We started this forest school for kids, September of 2020 when everything shut down. And it's still going on. We still meet every Thursday in the forest. And at one point, I think there was like 50 families and kids that would come out in meat in the forest during the like the thick of the lockdowns. So we started that. And so I was thankful to have my community that I knew loved me and supported me,

plus a couple, you know, local businesses that I still felt safe going to. And then because we were so out in the media, the first wave that came in was this level of hate. But once that died down, because those keep a word warriors to move on to the next thing, all of a sudden this like wave of just love and support and thank you, thank you. Now I know I'm not crazy. Now I know I'm not alone. Like, thank you.

Another nurse or this person or this person or from another mom or whatever. It doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter their parents. I'm just thinking of some of the messages that came in. It was like this wave of support. And I was like, okay, like there's a need here. Like we have to keep going. And so once Sarah and I kind of got over the shock of, you know, we had the RC&P come to our house

to find out our involvement in the rioting storming of the capital. The funny part is I was back at the hotel where I didn't even know what was going on. My husband called me to ask if I was okay. And I was like, well, there was lots of sirens and things. Like, I know, it's kind of noisy out there. And he told me. And I was like, oh, I guess we should like, you know, turn on the news and see what it's saying about it. I didn't even know what was happening, which was insane.

And, yeah, so then we just continued. We tried to hold a press release again back early on naive. We're like, okay, if we can get all these letters from nurses that have been reaching out to us, we'll do this press release. We'll get it out there. And, like, people will have to start asking questions. And it was like, nope. We had doctors on this press release.

Like this was back, it was like January 26 or something of 21. And we just thought, this will be it. And, you know, it wasn't. And then so we just started speaking out all throughout Ontario. And then that summer, oh, then we did a protest at the College of Nurses, Ontario to let them know that, you know, they were not going to bully us. It was a crystal pitter came out. Just for only of these other nurses that were under investigation and, you know, in trouble by the college and we're like, we're not going to let you bully us. We did this whole protest in front of

the college, like first one ever done, I guess, in front of a regulatory body. And then we went west. So we traveled across Canada doing Q&As and speaking engagements and events like that. Yeah. That must have been, I remember when you ladies were coming across. That's when it first came across my attention to try and I remember listeners trying to get me in contact with you

I remember that quite vividly now It was probably me you emailed if it was during those days it was me and I was doing a very poor job of being on the road

and boots in the ground and checking emails I apologize You know the boots on the ground portion you know going in all these

different communities that must have been an interesting little trip It was amazing it was so incredible because we got to see behind the scenes Canada the stuff that you're not going to see in social media or on the news or anything we got to meet like real people and hear real stories and you know people invited us into their homes and we got to just hear every day you know Canadians that you know were thanking us and thought the same and have the same questions and excuse me and we got we got to see like what people were creating in their hometowns and in the communities like It was amazing. We got to stay with Sean Zimmer.

I mean, like what that man has been doing for his community is absolutely incredible and seeing it firsthand and being a part of it, you know, and other people in their gardens or just groups they would have people come over to talk. And honestly, we were so uplifted after that trip just to see the connection, to see people's resiliency,

the kindness, like people, you know, just doing anything they could for their fellow neighbor, you know, without recognition. Like, because this is not the stuff that would be, yeah, like I said, on social media or in the news. Like, this is just actual Canadians like caring for one another. And it lifted our hearts so much.

And then that led us into the national wide hospital rallies, which was another kind of level of hate we hadn't even experienced yet. After that, media destroyed us. What is next? That is the first time I've ever heard this. next level of hate? Yeah. It was because we,

they were starting to mandate the injections on health care workers. And we had a colleague in BC reach out and he said, you know, I think I'm going to do a rally in Camloops. And we said, well, we just traveled across Canada, well,

out west anyways. We now have all these connections and we had an East Coast connection. Why don't we make it national wide? And he was like, okay, so in a very short period of time, we got all our contacts that we had just met. And we organized national hospital protests across Canada the same day, same time, you know, all from St. John's to, you know, Vancouver. And it was a beautiful thing. Like, it was the most positive, amazing experience at these rallies. Like, when we were getting messages from, you know, because, you know, the domino effect, right, with the time difference.

of when it would be happening, people sending messages and pictures and the crowds and, like, some of the biggest crowds I'd ever seen in the East Coast. I mean, Vancouver had 10,000 people come out. And, like, where I was in London, like, it was insane. Toronto, like, all these places, I mean, even Saskatoon, we had Dr. Francis Christian message us. Like, it's just beautiful moments, people, you know, commenting on these events. And then the media came out. And, of course, any time that we're successful in a movement, the media has to put an end to that.

And the same messaging happened for all of the, you know, across Canada, the same thing happened, all the three things. We assaulted health care workers. We impeded with ambulance access to emergency and we stopped cancer treatments from happening. So those three things would pull at everyone's heartstrings. How can you assault the health care workers that have fought tirelessly for us throughout this pandemic? The ones that, you know, have lost their lives, our frontline workers that we've been cheated. during every night, pots and pants nonsense. And, you know, and how could you stop ambulance access?

How would you know, cancer patients? Like, you know, so, yeah, I don't know, I'm still couldn't get behind to the pots and pants. So we were, we, people thought, you know, they, like, like you have blood on your hands. And this was the same message in every single media source across Canada, the exact same three things. and like our email was spammed with 3,000 hate mail

in over a couple days. The messages, like people were actually almost tried to put like hits on us. Like the docks or addresses, they wanted people to come and protest in front of our own houses. Like they like literally people wanted us dead after that. Did you have people show up to your house in? No, no.

I was a little bit worried because I was like, oh yeah, these people are really, angry and they're not okay and like people you know like the gun emojis and all these things and the things that they were saying and i was like this one's actually a little scary but i was like nope they're still just keyboard warriors yeah so once kind of got over that um that fear but it was that was that was that one was scary you're uh well you already are but you're gonna be a woman to be messed with you know like living through such experiences seeing the side of media, the government,

a health profession that, you know, is probably the worst of us, you know, like everything you've experienced is the worst humanity can throw at you. And to come through there, still being able to chuckle about it and smile and laugh about the pots and the pans and everything else, you know, that's, I don't know if that's a talent or if that's just life experience and a little bit of time to kind of take, you know, as we get further away, where we're at, you know, hopefully. I mean, who knows what's coming down the pipe here in years to come.

Yeah, exactly. But, you know, to have gone through that, you know, I'd hate to be on the other side of Kristen when she sets her head to something. It's probably not a good place to be. But we definitely went through, after that, we took a long break, and that's when we knew we needed to do something else. And, like, we can't just keep fighting and fighting. Like, we need to be proactive.

And that was when we kind of started to. create the national directory of nurses. We wanted to be able to get all like all these like minded nurses together that the public could connect to for care. And so after that, we took some time off and a break and we started working on this. And then then the convoy happened. And I, and I just knew that was something I had to be a part of. So I left. I did it first when, when I was starting on January 23rd, starting from the west, we did something in southern Ontario and Sarnia in Windsor at the borders. And I hopped in January 23rd. And I was like, oh, my gosh like this is going to be massive this is something so we took we did that in windsor the one day

and then for the rest of the the week we had the um i forgot what it's called now is it zolo or something we had the app going um so we could listen to all the the truckers as they drove across the west like my boys would listen with me every morning and hear all the kids you know commenting and and it just like filled with like excitement and it was exactly what you're saying it was like finally like this is what we needed all of Canada to come together on the same page for the same thing all at once and then so I jumped in and joined when the south left on the 27th of January you know I was in my my little fort escape and jumped in with all the trucks and left for for Ottawa then and it was incredible every single overpass like especially coming from southern Ontario like because it like it's so densely populated

just the overpass is just like you know kids tobogging down the side and just, it was freezing, and people were so dedicated being out there for all day, like hours. And then you'd have like the fires on the side of the road and, you know, just people standing anywhere they could and cheering it on. And like, gosh, I just, I just don't like crying every time. I wish I could take the memories I have in my brain, the visual or memories I have of North Bay. Pretty sure it's North Bay. Yeah. 99%. The grunt, it's, it, um, let me, let me pull it up on a map. Just a second. I want to make sure I get this story correct. for everybody.

North Bay or Sebris, because they were both huge. Subbury was huge. No, I'm pretty sure. Could be North Bay. Here, let's zoom in on here. Good thing about the old computer. I can just pull everything right up here.

Okay, Winnipeg on there. Okay. So, when we got to North, when we got to North Bay, what they did was from Thunder Bay around the top, upside of Lake Superior. The convoy split.

There was a huge snowstorm and half the convoy went to the north and the other half went down through the south, right along the Lake Superior. Anyways, so Subbury only got part of the convoy. And at this point I'm kind of like, oh yeah, sure, like how many trucks went north? Like, I have no idea. And in North Bay, they joined. And the horns, the amount of people, and then just utter insanity in the best possible way, I could have swore the road was shaking because there was such going on. And I'm like,

this is like the biggest rock party I've ever been to. People are losing their absolute uncontrollable shit. And I'm sitting in the middle of this. Horns are going on and the freaking semis are joining up. And like, I'm like, holy crap. If I had a moment where I'm like, this is how big it is, it's North Bay. Because the, the convoys meet. And it's, it's like, I don't know. It's at nighttime. I don't know what time we were there at maybe six or seven o'clock, something like that. I'm going to guess. So it's dark. It's cold. It's like minus 30 plus wind chill. Like it ain't good. And there's people everywhere. Everywhere you look, they're going nuts. There was a guy in front of us hopped out of his vehicle, started playing the trumpet. Like everybody was just like, this is fucking unreal. And then you flip on the CBC and they're like, and there's nobody out there tonight. And you're just like, oh my God, burn that. to the ground. This is amazing. Anyways, we all have her stories. It's just one of the things I wish I could,

I wish all of us could probably, and there's great videos of lots, parts of it. For me, the one is North Bay. It's just like, this is what is happening. Like, as I'm sitting there in the driver's seat and the steering wheel is almost like rattling from the noise vibration, not to mention just everybody losing their shit

on the side of the highway. Like, people are jumping up and down, like waving, like, absolute fucking mad people. As this thing comes together and it's just, you know, like, it's just, it's one of those memories, you know, like you just will never be able

to pull out of me. It's just out of forever. Yeah, no, it was the most incredible thing I'd ever experienced and I was so blessed that I ended up, and luckily supported by my husband and family. And so I stayed out there for the four weeks, so three weeks and a bit after.

So I was out there, boots in the ground, every day, filming, talking to trucker. getting, you know, the story of the footage and, you know, there's, you talked about, like, you don't want to get it in my way. There was like this, I don't know, kind of epic scene of like this police trying to intimidate me in my face and I don't know, I'm not moving, but that one kind of went around. That one was pretty funny. But then I was on the front lines for the two days.

The police rolled in. And so that was kind of an experience in itself to be right there for, you know, February 18th and 19th. But up until that point, it was the most incredible thing I'd ever, ever seen and been a part of. Even in those moments, even in those final days, the weekend, I couldn't believe still, like, the love of what was happening with Canadians and how they stood up. Like, there was, like, a moment on the last day, it was like the last finally cattling effect that they got us all into. And it was like, you know, police were kind of lined off and the group of people were just standing there and not, you know, and really knowing what to do. and then there, I think he was DJ Freedom or something. I don't know.

I think that's what someone said his name was, came in with, like, a speaker. And all of a sudden, this epic dance party erupted. After everyone's just been sprayed and beaten, you know, pepper spray and beaten down and cops are still there. And, like, this huge, like, dance party, like, erupted. And it was so uplifting and amazing. And, like, we've just been, like, crying.

And then it's like, oh, my gosh, and we're laughing, smiling, and dancing. And I was like, this is just so Canadian. and there was a woman that walked down the line between the two groups with Tim Horton's coffee, you know, box and looking at the police, looking at the, you know, the protesters, coffee, coffee, like literally just walked down the front lines offering Tim's coffee. And I was like, okay, this is amazing. I've been outside all day.

It's freezing. I'm just going to take, like, a quick, you know, rest in the hotel, charge of my phone a little bit on, kind of come right back because this was way too peaceful and way too awesome. There's no way the police are going to break this up. I stood in the dance party for a bit. And then, you know, like, it was just such an epic time. And I was like, okay, I'll be back. And when I came back, it was all dispersed.

I wasn't even gone that long. But I guess it was shortly after I left, the rubber bullets came out, more spray. And then they just kind of like, you know, came down on the remaining part of the protest, this dance party. And then I came back. And then that was it. That was the final moment of the protest. but I just couldn't believe, you know, leading up to that, like, I was like, there's a dance party happening now.

Like, it's just so Canadian. In the middle of pepper spray. Exactly. Exactly. Just, it was crazy. I don't know. I look back on everything that's happened and I just, I feel so blessed to have been a part of so much of it.

After that, I took a long break as, you know, I don't know, as one might do. Just to kind of, you know, to process everything I had, you know, been a part of. and then I was lucky enough to march with James Topp for a while so I think I put in like over 140 kilometers with him and like just what an amazing man and I just think like what an amazing opportunity to have been able to do that and march to the unknown two an unknown soldier with him and and I just yeah I feel very blessed over the last three years of everything that I've been a part of everyone I've met everyone I've been connected to and I can't feel bad. for what, you know, happened.

You know, it's pushing me towards this path in my life that I don't think I ever would have taken. I'm so glad to be out of that toxic environment at the hospital. You know, I'm able to be home and homeschooling my boys. I'm now taking this course to be a traditional birth companion so I can help women feel empowered and remove the fear of birth and start normalizing what birth should be versus what I had witnessed for 12 years in the NICU. so I'm looking forward to to becoming

a generational birth companion and I'm really excited for it Canadian frontline nurses is building with our connecting communities with care and trying to connect the public with actual real help so I think there's a lot of greatness like good things that came out of the past few years

Oh 100 million percent as bad as it got there's a lot of good things come out not just to mention the people I've certainly come across but values and different things that have that have really been forced um to uh to percolate up i would say you know i got to ask so you're pregnant yes how far along are you 31 weeks yeah 21 weeks while you are radiating

thank you here's the question are you doing an at-home birth then yes are you oh man we could we could we could folks we could literally sean is like he he's going okay i got to wrap this up here but You're like, I'm like, that is, that to me is insane. And I'm not meaning in a bad way. I'm just like, I probably don't understand way too much, but I'm like an at home birth. You're stressing me out. I'm like, I don't know, but maybe I got this all wrong. No, you definitely have it all wrong.

That's like the amazing part. It's because that was me as well, right? At the beginning of this, I think I said, I was like that doctorate and nurse who believed in child in immunizations and who thought home birth should be illegal. like totally and then it was like okay but why do I fear it I feared it because I was an NSU nurse and I saw the worst of the worst and I generalized that that was all birth and I didn't know any different until again I meet people and then when I'm in a place of ready to be open because I'm not always I just don't want to hear it but when I was in a place ready to be open

and to hear and listen I could start hearing another side my one girlfriend my best friend was probably one of the first to kind of push me and have these conversations and it almost like kind of put out a relationship for a while because I was so against what she was doing again because I wasn't in that place of being ready to be open but the seed had been planted and then you know throughout you know these last three years but I think I was kind of already on this path prior to this happening but this really solidified it for me because I'm like okay well now they're not allowing you know partners to be at the labor They're telling moms to wear a mask while laboring.

Then they're pushing this. And then I started learning about all the tests that they do that cause more problems, like the, the GBS, the diabetes testing, all the other. Learning about ultrasounds, that it's military-grade surveillance technology. That is not benign to the baby. And then I just kept learning more. And then I became, when I become obsessed with something like I dive in, and I was like, you know, there was a time where it was food, then it was immunizations, then it was about viruses.

And now this is kind of where my head's at. That's why I kind of forget some of the stuff I've learned when I get refocused in an area. But it's incredible because we have normalized hospital birth and all its interventions. And laying on your back closes your pelvis by 30%. And then you're in this place of fear. You're not getting proper oxytocin. Then never mind the injections and the epidurals. I mean, I can go on.

That is a whole other show. You need to have Billy Harrigan on to talk about all things birth. That's the person you need to dissect where. we came from how we got to where we are and where we're gonna we're here's what christin's gonna do folks he's gonna hook me up with two people somebody who can understand honey for me because honey i just need to know more i understand how powerful bees and everything but the honey thing is something i've been messing around with for probably a year plus now and i would just love to have somebody on the podcast so if christian can't pull that off somebody who's listening get me a bee

person who is sharp as attack because i love to hear that as far as childbirth goes sure i'm game I tell you what, I am gay. I'd be very interested. I'm as uncomfortable as I can get right now. I'm listening to it. It's a conversation that needs to be had. It's so important for where we're moving to. It goes back to all the other things I uncovered,

and now this is like the core of it. The core of it starts with how babies are brought into this world and through the mother. Then that starts the foundation with, like, food and the immunizations and everything. It literally starts in this moment. And my other two were very medicalized birth,

so this one's very, this one's different for me too. I'm very excited. One of the notes I have here before I let you out of here is, do you want to give updates on court cases? We haven't even got, I, like I told you, this is what happened. I put notes at the end because I'm like, listen, I can probably do this for another three hours, but I know I have kids I've got to go deal with that.

I know you have kids who've already come home, and they've given us been gracious. I'm right. My oldest was on my phone, and so that's why the youngest quieted down, because they're just, who knows what they're watching. See, you're doing that mother thing. I appreciate it.

So the question is, if you want to give an update, if you think it's relevant, great. Otherwise, I'm going to slide in the last question. You tell me where you want to go. It'll be quick. Over the, you know, speaking out over 2021 during the lockdowns, I received personally myself 11 summons. One of those went to trial,

and I was convicted guilty for attending Easter service mass at the Easter, sorry, Sunday, Easter service on Sunday, at the Church of God in Elmer, and I got a $10,000 fine plus court costs, so $12,500. And you're convicted in there? Yeah, for attending church, April 25th, 2021. So that has now been, we are appealing that,

and on January 20th, my lawyer goes to court to set an appeal date. So that one is being appealed, but yes, I was convicted and fined $12,500 for attending Easter service last April. Four of my other charges are still ongoing and possibly, I think two of them are in trials, the other one possibly, and the other one I'm still waiting to see what happened. So that's my personal updates very quickly. And then with Canadian frontline nurses, all three of us, myself, Sarah and Crystal, have ongoing investigations with the college.

We have three separate investigations against ourselves each. We have an update of all these cases on our website. Sean, I'll just send you the link and then people can read about what's going on there. And I'll put it in the show notes. That way... Yeah, and then that'll be easier. Yeah. And then we lost our defamation suit, which made the news.

So that was out in the media. So we lost a defamation lawsuit against the College of Nurses Association and Together News Media, which is a media source out of Vancouver. So that one is being appealed as well. And then we still have a federal court case against the government of Canada for invoking the Emergency Measures Act, which I think I hope should be heard in February. So we have a lot of legal stuff going on as well,

but I'll send you the link to that. So that was very quick update. And I didn't mean to make it very quick. No, no, no, it was okay. That's enough everything we already talked about. My problem is, well, my problem and my gift or whatever it is, people want to say is now I have like a thousand questions and I'm like Sean you're going to table them for the next time you sit down with Kristen because like I say kids and everything else I

appreciate you being gracious with your time so what I'm going to do is I'm going to I'm going to calm my curiosity with more questions for a different time which means I got a slide into the final question brought to you by crude master transport showed out to Heath and Tracy for sticking with me here for what has been an interesting ride. If you're going to stand behind a cause, then stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Kristen stands behind? Oh, I don't know. Like, what has that been?

Like, everything I've, like, spoken up about, like, the truth. But what is the truth? To me, it's been about the kids. I think that's been the root of everything that I have fought for and stood up for and what has got me to speak out. also what's gone me to come back home because I was out so much talking about this is for the kids and we got to do this for the kids and I realized I was neglecting my own while I was being out doing all the things that I had to come back home and be the mom which is the most important role that we can

that we have and so that's where my focus has been now because we need to make the change first in our hearts and then in our home and raise our kids to be resilient adults moving forward so it's protecting the kids at all costs and to me that's you know it started with food and immunizations and and and now um you know birth it's like the whole package so i don't know that doesn't really answer your question i'm not really sure well i appreciate you doing this i appreciate you coming on and uh well and and i'm going to give a shout out to all my listeners because if it isn't for them uh not saying we never cross past we probably do at some point but it's certainly sped it up uh you know sometimes social media

I give it a real hard time because I'm not a big fan of it in saying that then it allows people like yourself and I mean just look at a couple of the ones folks that have come across you mentioned Sean Zimmer he was just a week or two ago

now and and the list goes on of all these different people that people that are paying attention and listen to the show keep suggesting and I can't fault them they keep giving me aces up the sleeve so to speak so appreciate you hop it on and doing this with me and giving me some extra time

as your kids are being kids and appreciate everything you've been standing for and all that good stuff and look forward to, well, I don't know, look forward to seeing where this goes. Like the home birth thing, I tell you what, I'm going to, I'm going to be going home and talk to my wife now about it. We've had lots of chats about this. This gets me down a completely different rabbit hole. Either way, Kristen, thanks for hopping on. Well, thank you so much for having me.

This was a really fun conversation.