Shaun Newman Podcast - #391 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer 4.0

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

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They've been an industry leader in bulk fuels, lubricants, methadone, and chemicals delivering to your farm commercial or oil field locations. For more information, visit them at Hancockpetroleum.ca. The first is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, and economist whose work can be found on the sites like Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. The second, a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author, and, and, constitutional. contributing editor at Zero Hedge. I'm talking about Tom Luongo and Alex Craneer. So buckle up. Here we go.

Welcome to the Sean Numa podcast, joined by Alex Cranner, Tom Luongo. They're doing what they do. I mean, boys, this is literally the fourth installment together, the six time I've had one of you on the podcast. That's high even for me in all the episodes we've done. I think you're 391 now. And for listeners, if they want to go back, Alex, on 327, Tom 321, together on 336, 349, 360.

And then once again, 392. So thanks for coming back on. I don't know where to start with this one. Honestly, the last little bit has been interesting. I don't know if we want to, like, do we want to talk Russia or Ukraine or not the hop? Do you want to talk UFOs? Do you want to talk train derailments?

Do you want to talk Brazil? Where do you want to start? Baroons. like, you know, U.S. domestic policies turn into an episode of F-Troop. If we're going to, you know, bandy about obscure pop culture references from, you know, local television. Like, if you guys remember the show from the 60s, F-t troop with, you know, the American Army set in the wild west against the Hakawe tribe was hilarious. And there is this classic episode of them, some, of their, you know, attacking the fort with a balloon. and it's hilarious.

That's where we are. And, you know, to remind everybody, they should listen to the 911 Lux Balloon in the original German with the German translation. And if you read those lyrics, like, dude, we're all living in a simulation. It's crazy. Well, you know, I saw that the Balloon story

was quite ridiculous, and I was determined to ignore it because I'm kind of feeling myself overwhelmed with everything going on as it is. And so I was like, I'm just not going there. That's it, you know. And then it was Martin Seif. He's a journalist. He like emails me and he's like, what do you think about these balloons? And he's a serious guy. So I felt like, okay, I'll look into it. I'll look into it a little bit.

And then I kind of like looked at a couple of these news things. and, you know, what's on Twitter and came across a couple of articles and it's ominous shit. Are we allowed to say shit? Fuck yeah. Okay. All right.

Just so I know where I am. Yeah, so it's ominous. It's, it's, it's, look, Matthew Erritt wrote an excellent blog article on his substack and he, he like, details historical psyops with these balloon UFO

stuff and you know apparently after the Pearl Harbor attacks there was like you know like after 9-11 they there were all these news about

about what's that disease anthrax anthrax attacks you know like senators and congressmen were getting these letters so it's like anthrax anthrax anthrax so you know like it's not just like one thing but then there's like aftershocks and so after after after pearl harbor attacks uh the the newspapers kept reporting about these mysterious aircraft approaching uh u.s shores you know to keep the you know to keep the

fear going and you know presumably that's what kind of made the terrain safe for FDR to declare war on Japan. But then a few weeks later, the U.S. government, I don't know which agency, but the U.S. government released a large number of weather balloons over Los Angeles.

And then, you know, they went and they shot at these balloon with the entry anti-aircraft artillery, and they had searchlights at night constantly searching the sky. And so, and in the newspapers, it was like, what are these balloons? What are these flying objects?

La, la, la, you know, like, they kept, they kept this fear and alarm going. And when I read all that, it threw me back on Matthias Desmond's hypothesis about mass formation psychosis. You know, and I felt like this kind of fits. And then that threw me back on the, you know, the famous 2018 you know, congressional bipartisan report what was it

titled? Providing for the Common Defense or something like this in which this commission it has a name. It's some typical stupid name about like strategic

defense, blah, blah, blah, this and that. Where it's a 16-page document about the fact the very high probability that the United States would enter into a war against China or Russia or both, and that the war would be horrendous and devastating and that their recommendation would be, since it's no longer like a small skirmish, it's like a major power confrontation, that, you know, it would be important to prepare the nation for the whole of government and a whole of nation approach to war. And, you know, four years is right about now. So that was published in November 2018. Four years later is November 2022. We are now a couple of months past due, but we're,

war with Russia is going on by proxy. And it does seem to me that, you know, there's people positively lusting to wage war on China. And the stuff that is being said about this is just lunacy. You know, like, obviously they know they can't win it. But they're saying, oh, Taiwan would be a trigger. And then, you know, like, we prepared the terrain. and then Taiwan would have to hold off the Chinese invasion until we can show up with our Navy and the Japanese and the Australians

and then we could sink the Chinese Navy approaching Japan. I'm talking about military generals writing up these reports. It's sheer lunacy. And nobody's talking, nobody's mentioning or contemplating, the possibility to not go to war with China. How about how about

seeing you know, tally up, audit the differences, what are the problems, sit across the table and maybe find a way to not go to war and resolve these differences or compromise? Not in the equation.

It's just China, China, war, war, war. And so yeah, you know, despite myself you know I I was going to ignore these damn balloons but it looks like it's it's the stuff is serious and the only thing that kind of made me a little bit a little bit less worried about it that it seems to me that they're bungling this one too that it's it's you know like the the the narrative has starting to come unravel before it even got yeah yeah before any made Perfect.

Yeah. You've already got any attraction. Does anybody remember, has anybody remember seeing when you were a kid, Steven Spielberg's first bomb, 1941? Because it is all about that lunacy that you talked about with the Japanese attacking Hollywood. While you were talking, Alex,

all I was flashing back to was, you know, to Shirer McFune and Slim Pickens and John Belushi, and all of that stuff and the craziness that California went nuts with the aircraft with John Candy and the aircraft John and you know all of this stuff and you know just to remind everybody and that was kind of memory and in a sense

kind of memory hold that I mean Spielberg his pants at directing comedy and that movie is a perfect example of that and he never attempted it again and good but that being said it's it's part of the thing it's like we've memory hold the fact that, you know, we had Japanese internment camps here in the United States, that we confiscated property of Italian Americans and businesses, Italian Americans, and German Americans during World War II. So if you don't think that we can't go further down this

terrible rabbit hole, I got news for you. We can, and we have. And we will. And we will. Okay. Let's go back at this. We're talking, we're talking, once again, to the audience, you know, some days technology works for you. Other days, this is why I envy Joe Rogan in having everybody in studio. Regardless, we're going to try and muscle through this. We're talking basically, you know, like the chatter that's going on right now. Nord Stream comes out. We had talked about this earlier on. and at the time that was a pretty bold thing to say

at least that's what lots of people said and now it's come out that now the US is involved and everything and then as soon as that comes out like we're talking UFOs just anything and everything that can happen is happening right now I would listen to Michael Campbell's conference and he had Martin Armstrong on and Martin Armstrong talked about the Lusitania in World War I Pearl Harbor in World War II

and my brain went what's going to happen to kick off World War III to pull the U.S. or maybe I'm thinking about that wrong to pull Russia into aggression against the United States because right now it feels like they're trying everything and it hasn't worked.

Well, obviously Nord Stream 2 was a potential Kazas Beli and that's why Alex and I both said, hey, the people who benefit the most from this are the Brits and the Poles. So they were intimately involved even if the U.S. and the Norwegians did the thing operationally. But how was it coordinated? How was it laid out?

I mean, that's part of the story that Cy Hirsch has left off of this so far. And again, to Stey's credit, he said there's more to the story than what I've led on so far, which was, I suspected from the beginning. I don't know. I just don't know. And then the Kurtzstraight bridge and the Russians didn't respond because they know what this means. They know that managing the escalation is the game, is the game. And then also there's that detail that it was a British Prime Minister Liz Truss, who within like 60 seconds from the explosions on the North Stream pipelines texts Anthony Blinken to tell him it's,

it's been done it's done so you know why is she in a loop why is she in the loop of this super secret operation right uh so the brits the brits are involved obviously yeah and and and bina yeah it's crazy and and and biden and and uh was it uh and victoria newlin both gave away the plot which si herr's putting out he's like how like you guys like told everybody you were going to blow the thing up and smirked at the cameras about it yeah well you know i think that i think that this is one of those stories that are not going to go away um it's you know i think it's normal and to be expected that nothing's going to happen the first day because everybody's kind of stunned you know and people who people who are let's say loyal to the empire they don't they don't want to make any noise

but they've been put in a very, very bad position. And people who are now coming to grips with the fact that Germany got stabbed in the back by its, quote-unquote, allies, it's going to be gathering momentum because people are now asking, where are the investigations? Are we going to have hearings in the parliament? newspaper, you know, like first they tried to ignore it then, you know, like you had that

what was, what was it, Su Deutsche Tsaitung, is it? That had an interview with Sy Hirsch. Well, guess what people in Germany are talking about these days? Like, just about everywhere. This is not going away. And I think that

perhaps the most interesting aspect about this is that whereas the whereas the Germans are nominally allied with the United States and with Britain and with Norway and with Poland and so forth, and opposed to the Russians, in actual fact,

all these quote-unquote allies are actually enemies. They all are adversarial powers to Germany and the only power in the region that is actually a logical ally and partner to Germany is Russia. Right. That's not going away either. You know, that's a ground reality,

which you cannot alter by, you know, airbrushing it somehow or for putting, you know, covering it with narrative. It's there. It's real. And it will out. And I think that this has been the catalyst. You know, first that the, the, the stupid ones went and blew up the pipelines.

And now, Sy Hirsch, you know, brought it out into the open where it can no longer be suppressed. Right. You know, like you can suppress something. You can pretend that it's not there.

You can, you know, like the elephant may be in the room, but if everybody pretends that they can't see him, fine. Well, now somebody called out the elephant in the room and it's not it's you know like the gene is out of the bottle it's not going back in and i think that the

consequences of this are going to be very very far-reaching i think it's hard to predict even how far-reaching there will be but i think that among the consequences almost certainly will be the collapse of nato and and probably a speedy unraveling of the european union i i tend to agree with you on this alex and the more i think of about this. It just feels very, very weird that, you know, we always knew that the neoconservatives in the U.S. and the U.K., and to a lesser extent, Poland, or maybe to a greater extent, Poland, depending on, you know, depending on you were talking power or ideology, have always wanted to ensure that Germany and Russia never get to, you know, it's the whole heartland argument. and so we have to stop that at all costs. It doesn't matter what we do.

That's first thing first. Let's stop the Germans and the Russians. And part of the reason for the Maidan in the first place was in order to rip Ukraine away from the Russians and start the process of going to war with them over the Donbass and Crimea, which would then justify. magnanimity level functions and all the rest of it, all the stuff you've talked about vis-a-vis Bill Browder and all of that stuff, in order to kill the rising trade turnover between Russia and Germany, which, you know, was halved in the days after the reunification of Crimea with the Russian Federation. I refuse to use the word, use the neocon term, annex, because they didn't annex it. I don't give a shit what anybody says. You know, they held a vote, and you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, You can bitch and moan that 97% of

of the Koreans didn't vote to become part of Russia. Okay, 85% of them. Is that not good enough? What's the number? What number is good enough for you? Like, you know, fuck off here with this bullshit. Like, you know, so we know what the

imperatives are. We know what the incentives are. We know the personnel. We know the policy. All of it. It's all right in front of us. And what they sat here and did was plausible than I have ability about the fact that who did what, where and when,

vis-a-vis Nord Stream? It's nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. I saw something with Doug McGregor who's on with Judge Napolitano yesterday said the Russians are gearing up for a 30-month war with NATO.

30 months, folks. Their factories were running flat out 24-7, 365, they produced arms or munitions. They just cut another deal with somebody else for getting for getting around

Chips. Oh, they cut a deal Belarus cut a deal with somebody with I think Taiwan or China in order to get around technology sanctions to get chips into Russia for military hardware. That was yesterday. So all the arguments

that are fair that the Russians don't have a lot of the high tech weapons they say they have developed. They don't have them in numbers. Well, guess what? if they're gearing up for a 30-month war a year from now when the U.S. and European military industrial complex makes its way, gets enough weapons together to then resupply Ukraine and start a real war in Ukraine against for NATO to fight against the Russians. The Russians will have their wonder weapons ready to go in numbers that are enough to, you know, turn this into, you know, an even bigger grudge match. like that's what I say so balloons

they want they think they they have such contempt for us that they would float balloons in front of us and think yeah that'll fly well you know it worked it worked in the 1940s

and you know they've been they've been oh yeah another thing that Matthew Eric points out is that there was the, you know, like they have this thing called the disclosure initiative. You know, that they've been kind of, they've been kind of leaking out information that, oh, you know, the Pentagon, the FBI, whoever,

they're going to disclose the existence of the ETs and whatever, whatever it was. Well, this disclosure initiative has been actually funded since 1993 by non- other than Nelson Rockefeller. So you always have the same usual suspect behind all of these siops and all this, all this nonsense that's causing people to be constantly freaked out and alarmed and divided and, you know, jumping at each other's strokes over, over, over nonsense. But yeah, I think that. All I was going to say is that, yeah, the goal is constantly.

to keep us in the state of fight or flight to keep us jumping at shadows to keep us to keep us in a heightened sense of awareness and then and then pull out the red cloths you know like the bullfighter pulls out the red cloth and everybody you know all of their frustration all of their anger all of their you know grievances

whatever they may be you say like it's China it's China China China you know like we have to go to war we have to go and kill China and everybody thinks that like But look, you know, like all these formula, all these ideas that they have developed over decades to manipulate the masses and to, you know, create these scenarios where they might somehow orchestrate national cohesion and, you know, get the people to close ranks behind the government for whatever reason, even if it's like a completely suicidal war. I think that all these formulas no longer work because, you know, since the advent of the internet and of the social networks, it can't possibly not have any effect. You know what I mean? Because everything they were trying to develop was based on their control of the newspapers, radios, and television.

Now people communicate point to point in the real time. Now, you know, you get to hear what Colonel Douglas McGregor says and what Scott Ritter says and what Tom Longo says and, you know, Matthew here it. And you find out practically straight away. So if there's holes in the story, which there always are, you know, they become lit up practically instantly. And you can already see that the thing is coming apart, that the, that the, that the, that, the, that. that it's coming, the whole narrative is coming off the rail. It's incoherent. It's obviously incoherent.

And I have the sense that even a lot of people in the command and control hierarchy are putting up very strong resistance, that things should have already happened that haven't happened because, you know, like, people are saying, you all are absolutely insane. Because war on China would be, you know, like, it's, they already know, because they've conducted these simulations. The Pentagon has conducted these simulations of the war in the Pacific,

and they know that the American fleet would be destroyed on very short order if they went into an all-out war against China. And people in the Pentagon know this. So they're like, really? We want to go to war with China? Is that what we want to do? Really? That's suicidal.

Why would we do that? So I think that they're resisting and I don't know where this ship is sailing, but it seems that it seems that it has to sail into some kind of a regime change. I don't know. You know, like I think that a military coup in the United States is unthinkable, but these people have become a menace not only to the people of the United States. They become a menace to the whole world. And they're a very tiny group of people who are doing all this. You know, you take Victoria Nuland's speed dial list, and that's the group, probably.

You know, it's not far beyond that. Yeah, I agree. I can get rid of the. Yeah, no, I, it's, we're going to have to get to that point where it's like, okay, it's time for you to go to the home. we're not going to have the great respect. You're going to go over here now, and here's your jello. And please shut up, and here's your Prozac.

Sit down. You can continue to bark orders. That's great. Just do them to the wall. Over there, there's the wall. There's a little picture of Putin over there. You can yell at him. Have fun.

You do that now. That's nice. Take your pills now. No, show me your ton. Okay, good. Now, but at the same time, this is why I think they're most dangerous. I was reading some, you know, I was reading some analysis from a Russian blogger the other day,

and he's fairly critical the way the Russians have run the war. So, you know, at least lend some credence to him and his analysis. And many of the scenarios he was spilling out. And one of them is that, you know, you're dealing with a West that is a cornered animal. And this is very similar to what Martin Armstrong warned us about back in, he was talking about the stuff back in 2016, 2017, 2018, saying, the United States and the West, not necessarily just the United States, but that whole, because it's not

just the United States, it's just you have to realize that the United States is the military, it's the spear, right? The power structure of the U.S. is the spear, right? That's what they're throwing out there, out there, and then you use that to deflect

away from the people who are actually issuing the commands, which are a far more international network of people. I like to call them Davos, so you can call them whatever the fuck you want. I don't care. Makes it easy that way. And what's really clear is that if they're a cornered animal, they're never more dangerous, right? Because they're cornered, they're wounded, and they're being and they're, and all of these things are, all of these fronts that this war is happening on it. It's happening on multiple fronts.

It's not just Ukraine. It's not just the financial markets. It's not just the political back channels and and the halls of Congress and this it's everywhere, right? And what they're doing is flooding the zone across and trying to add more and more and more theaters to the war, the food supply, the transportation network, this, that, in order to freak everybody out

and in the vain hope that they'll still be able to blame it all on the Russians or the Chinese and then say, look, we have to go to war with them. And everybody's looking at them and go, you know, we can see you, right? you do realize Victoria Newland that we can see you and she doesn't care

I mean that's the thing I should scare you more than anything else you don't give the fuck she's going forward anyway and that should scare you because it tells you that this thing's on autopilot until the point until they get to the point where they have enough resources in place to do what they want to do

and you're right Alex that I see all sorts of resistance to this I see it in the financial system in the U.S. I see it in the military ranks. But the bigger one is that I honestly see it in Russian strategy. The critics of Russia's military performance in Ukraine focus on or focusing on the wrong thing. They're focusing on the argument that the best way to win the war is to take the territory and beat Ukraine. That is not Russia's goal.

Russia's goal has been clearly stated to demilitarize Ukraine. And the best way to demilitarize Ukraine is to wipe out its army. In a horrific war of attrition, drunken bar fight between swabs until there's one group standard. And the Russians are, at this point, they're done putting high-quality troops at risk on the battlefield. field and they're just sending artillery shells, which they can make by the hundreds of thousands every week and just lob it in. Don't, but I don't need to establish air cover in a forward air cover position. No, let the Ukrainians come to them.

Let the Ukrainians and NATO continue to think that they have to defend Bakhmus, that they have to defend the whole line of contact. They can't give the Russians any territory at all. because the neocons and and Ukrainians the Ukrainian oligarchies

the people backing Zelensky understand that if the Ukrainians started to lose a lot of territory the whole what morale is left would collapse and then the cries for

suing for peace would overwhelm the desire to continue the war so here we are recording this the first day of the Munich Security Conference a year ago where we declared war on the Russians and the Russians just decided to go first. And they're all saying the same thing. They're all speaking the same tune.

And it's not because it's about the war in 2023. We're hoping what I think the Russians are trying to do is literally to just wipe out what's left to the Ukrainian army so that there's nothing to reinforce in 2024. And then if NATO wants to get involved, at that point, right. Oh, by the way, now we have enough, now we have enough Kinsals and whatever to just, you know, vaporize everything

that comes across the polar polarity. Okay. Yeah. You know, I think... Yeah, you know, the... On the western side, I think that part of the problem that the West is facing also is that,

you know, you may have these fanatical neocons, well, actually on both sides of the Atlantic. But, you know, if tomorrow Joe Biden gives the order to the American troops to go and to go to war against China or to enter Ukraine, are they going to obey those orders? No. I hope not. You know, you know, already with this first balloon, you know, which the first balloon may have been the only Chinese product that went across the U.S. airspace. The

they tracked that balloon practically since it took off from China. So they knew where it was coming from. They knew what it was. It was moving pretty much along with the currents. So they knew it wasn't a threat. So when Joe Biden wanted to make

himself look tough and he ordered the the army to shoot it down, they were like, no, we're not going to do it. And at first they resisted. And then when he said, like, no, no, you, you shoot it down, they eventually shot it down. And then they started shooting down, shooting at everything. Like, you want us to take out every threat? All right, we're going to take out every threat.

Yep, including $12. And this is, you know, this is, this is not how you run a tight ship. this is very bad I mean like if you're going to go to war your command and control hierarchy has to be committed the morale has to be pumped up

you know like you can't have lower ranked officers saying like I don't think this is a good idea commander chief I think we shouldn't do it and then be pressured into doing it. And I mean, like, the whole thing to my mind, it just doesn't work.

It just doesn't work. They should put an end to this. They should cut their losses and tell Mr. Putin, okay, let's find a compromise because, you know, this is kind of like you bet on a boxer. and this boxer already lost and you're freaking out because you're going to lose your bet and so you're like yelling at the boxer to keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting, he's done, he's finished.

He's only going to get killed and you're going to lose your money anyway. Yep. So why keep going anyway? You know, like we are where we are, but you know, I'm... Well, Alex, just to interject real quick, you've got to realize that we're talking about people who don't deal...

They deal with what they believe is reality. And they see Russia's inability to take territory in Ukraine as primafacia evidence of Russia's inability to fight a real war. That to them, this is all a, this is all just reconnaissance for how, for NATO to fight the actual war against the Russians in phase, in the next phase of this war. And that's the way they're thinking. I think it's dumb, but I'm not, but that's what they're thinking. And there's, and the picture that Cy Hirsch painted of Victoria Newland and Joe Biden was of all these people so focused on the logistics of pulling off the bombing that they never stopped to consider the consequences of the bombing. Well, got news for you. They're doing the exact same thing in with the war in Ukraine, with the way they're prosecuting the war in Ukraine.

They have a script. They believe their own bullshit. They believe their narrative. And they're just running it until, you know, they get different evidence. So, in effect, until the Russians commit and, you know, really start to bring the heat, they're going to continue to believe that they have the upper hand. And I've watched Putin enough times to know that he's a fucking counterfighter, dude. he is not a dude that goes in

and puts his dick on the table and then moves and moves now he waits for his opponents to expend themselves he's an 8th on in judo I hate to keep bringing it up it sounds silly at this point about eight years ago it was a big deal today everybody knows it

he's doing it personnel is policy he's suckering people into a freaking into a meat grinder yeah and you know it's not it's not just that you know but the you know the the the the Russians are they're prosecuting the war in Ukraine but they're carrying on with these Eurasian integrations which are which are

which are a massive game changer for everybody you know like they just signed at the end of January they signed a deal between Iranian and Russian central banks yes they signed a deal to to how do you call it integrate their payment systems, right? And so you're going to have like 106 Russian banks and 52 Iranian banks that are going to be able to, you know, move payments. Yes. And they're integrating their credit card systems. And so this is all part of this big, huge North-South international.

corridor and all the trades that's going on around the Caspian Sea. And it's you know, these these five nations are, they

in 22 they had a trade of about $800 billion. And now apparently Iran is going to be, sorry? It's a lot of money. Yeah, that's very respectable volume of trade

and we're talking real stuff, you know. They're not trading derivatives between, you know, their banks. They're moving real stuff, right? And so now Iran's going to become the sixth member of this, how do you call it, Eurasia Economic Union. Union, yeah, Eurasia Economic Union. So, you know, Iran's going places. this whole region of the world is going places

we are we are focused on hope traits on on gambols with Ukraine war that I mean it's it's truly amazing so they're hoping that because

Russia is not aggressively taking territory that that means that Russia is going to lose they've also been hoping since March last year that Russia is running out of missiles and artillery shells and ammunition and they were also hoping that Russian

economy would collapse under these sanctions none of that happened they're also hoping that you know Russian people would come out on the street does anybody remember Arnold Schwarzenegger's stupid speech to the Russian people

yes I mean that was that was just just crazy crazness and so nothing is going according to plan but they're you know like instead of stopping and saying like okay this is not going our way let's cut our losses they're going on while this other part of the world is not only beating them they're developing trade they're developing infrastructure they're cutting deals nation with nation. This is like the biggest

block everywhere. This is like the world island. You know, the biggest chunk of the global GDP, the two-thirds of the world's population. What's Alex, you guys are talking bricks, yes?

That grouping of nations? Yes? Yeah, I wasn't referring exactly to bricks. I was referring more to Eurasian Economic Union and generally the Eurasian integrations with, you know, like Shanghai Cooperation Organization, you know, the stuff happening on the world island, on the Eurasian landmass. But of course, you're right. There's also the bricks.

And there's the whole global south that is looking at all these integration. And, you know, like, the trade flourishes. I mean, imagine if you ran any kind of business. And now you have the payment infrastructure in place. And you no longer have to work. worry about Western sanctions. And you can just trade with the people in other nations, with no tariffs. And like, if you had any kind of a business, if you, like, I don't know, let's suppose you were raising goats. And now all this massive market is, is available to you.

You know, you can, you can sell your cheese there. And, you know, all of this is growing. you would have strong reasons to say like, you know what, I'm going to buy some more lands, I'm going to buy some more goats so that I can make more cheese because all of this is opening up to me. People are looking forward to the future. We are like freaking out about balloons, about climate change.

They're destroying production of food. They're causing all these environmental catastrophes everywhere. They're freaking people out about climate change. They're freaking people out about, you know, like 78,000 genders and whether you can go to this bathroom or that bathroom and the vaccines and the vaccine passports and the next pandemic. And, you know, like the West is like a lunatic asylum with the fire alarm blaring and a flood alarm blaring and all the alarms blaring and nobody knowing what to do and can't get out of the freaking maze. While this other side is just going forward, growing, integrating, cutting deals, cooperating. And, you know, we should say stop. We failed.

Cut our losses. Can we come back and do business with you guys? We need your natural gas. We want to be part of your markets. we want your products in our markets and our products in your market. It's like win-win for everybody. But because there's this one small, tiny cabal of mad fanatics who are formulating the policy, we are all going off the cliff like Lemmings.

And there's got to be a way to stop it. This is why I referred to, like, is a military coup on the country? cards because, you know, at some point you have to say enough, somebody has to stop these people and, as you said, take them to spend more time with their family and have their, and have their jello. Right. Well, you're right, Alex. And so now I, this is why when I was looking at all of this, this is why I keep coming back to what's the U.S. financial system want out of this? Because obviously, these deals are happening and they're not part of it. Like now, you know, they're not allowed to be a part of it.

And they're clearly, like, looking at these people going, we need to end this and we need to stop this. I mean, you know, look, saw a thing last week, right, Black Rock saying, hey, we're going to need $750 billion to rebuild Ukraine. Now, where are they going to get that money? Black Rock doesn't have that money. By the way. Exactly. Exactly. I know where they're going to get it, Alex.

Well, I know where they're going to get it. Like, they're going to get it from the ECB, who came out last two weeks ago and said, we're going to do QE for ESG corporate debt. ESG, you know, debt that, that pertain, that, that, that is ESG approved that has an high enough corporate credit score to, you know, basically the ECB's, you know, clearly going to just start throwing money at them to rebuild Ukraine. And then JP Morgan comes in and says, yeah, we're, yeah, we want to rebuild Ukraine, too. To me, that just screamed.

Oh, yeah. The whole thing in Ukraine is coming to an end because now they're talking about rebuilding Ukraine. So now it almost seems like, and at the same time, you've got, that's one faction. And then you get the other faction of Americans. They're like, no, no, no, we need to kill everybody. What are you talking about? George Soros is at frigging Munich right now or this morning at Munich, you know, reading from his, you know, with his 94 point type while he reads his speech about how we're going to destroy the world. I mean, he's just, they don't know, they don't know, they won't give it up because psychopaths don't back down, they double down. Right. And, you know, Schwab saying the same things. They're all cooking from the same, they're all, you know, they're all eating the same cooking. They got rid of, um, I really went under the radar. The guy who was, that, that trumpet put in as the head of the World Bank had to resign the other day after a struggle session. David Malpass. Yeah.

completely went under the radar. The head of the World Bank stepped down because he had the temerity to question the climate change orthodoxy. So they got another win. So they're getting a win. Okay. But so what? They lost Nicholas Sturgeon in Scotland. They've lost Dessender Arden in New Zealand.

They're going to lose Justin Trudeau in Canada. Like Trudeau can't run for re-election in Canada. it's going to be up. There's an election in Canada in, what, three months? No, the election for Canada is 2025, unless something changes. Well, there was something, I was talking to another Canadian this morning about, there's something happening in May. In May is Alberta. So you got Daniel Smith, Rachel Notley going head to head. That's a big one.

Okay. So, thank you, Sean. But I look at this stuff, and I'm like, you're you're absolutely right Alex and I think it's I think that when you push these systems to their crisis point that you always wind up with that moment where every where everybody who was getting along I used the hockey metaphor all the time I might have used this one in the past even when we're on the show which is that hey when everybody's winning you know the room is great they're all you know they're all slapping each other on the back they're all they're all pulling the same direction when the losing starts the finger pointing starts and we're definitely at that finger pointing stage of the geopolitical shit show, for lack of a better term. And that's where I think

we are. And beyond that, I can't handicap at this point, but what I can say is they're going to continue to try and win all the way until the last possible moment.

And they will have to be taken off the stage forcefully. Yeah. I don't know it's going to be a military. Exactly, exactly. That's what it comes down to. That's what it comes down to. And I don't see it, but I also don't see an alternative. Well, the alternative is what Martin Armstrong has been saying in his blog, in his public blogs for the last couple weeks, which is, and I hate to say this, and I don't even want to contemplate this, but do you, you know, the Russians need to just pull Hiroshima. they need to go there now and stop it and go no no we're not kidding because new linden company don't believe the russians will go there the new linden company do fundamentally believe that the russians

will not go there that's why they're acting the way they are i i think that the reason why that's not going to happen is because the russians perfectly will understand that this would be the most precious gift they could possibly give to their true adversaries you know and I agree. The American people are not their adversaries. It's the, it's the neocons.

It's the Davos crowd. It's the city of London. And if you, if you nuke the Pentagon, it wouldn't matter anymore. Everybody would, you know, like, I meant, I, no, they would use a small nuke in Ukraine. What Armstrong is saying is,

use a small new in Ukraine in order to let everybody know this is as far as it goes. And the Russians still have. Oh, I see. Okay. Okay. I miss on. No, no no no no worries. It's and remember that the Russians and in terms of the escalatory path, you know, ladder chain, the Russians have small new small yield sub or you know, 100 kiloton nukes, right? We don't have those anymore. The United States doesn't have those things. We get rid of them. They're like way too much trouble to maintain. The warheads are. They just because they go subcritical and they have to cost. It's a maintenance schedule on them that's it's a hideously expensive. The Russians still have

tons of these. They still maintain them. They still, and they still have them in their arsenal. And it is a possibility for them to use them. I'm not saying they're going to. But I can see why Armstrong is constructing that argument in order to try and end this thing as quickly as possible and to shut the world out of its complacency. Because the argument now is nuclear weapons have failed as a peace deterrent because no one dares use them. And so we now have children who are not willing to understand that to the Russians, this is an existential threat.

And that they will, like they did in World War II, throw as many bodies as this as necessary when the time is right. and the neocons are more than willing to throw everybody else's bodies on the table in the interim. Every Ukrainian, every Hungarian, all of them, right? The Hungarians won't go, thankfully. The Serbians won't go. But, you know, they'd love for the Germans. They're arguing in the German Bundestag right now about a bill to bring back compulsory military service and

Germany. Yeah, they can try to do that, but it's not going to work anyway because I got an email a couple of weeks ago from a person who works for the NATO in one of the NATO nations. They work for the NATO organization, not in Brussels, but in another country. And, you know, they're paying close attention to the public sentiment and they poll. These are not public polls but they poll the people to see how they perceive the conflict in ukraine and whether they are they sympathize more with ukraine or whether they sympathize more with russia and she told me that the large majority she actually she actually sent sent me the the figures per per country but in virtually all the countries uh two-thirds to three three quarters of the people sympathize with russia okay in spite of wall-to-wall 24-7 propaganda banning everything to do with russia you know stopping teaching tolstoy dostoevsky canceling performances of chikovsky and rachmaninov they failed even even there complete blackout of all these from russia

no possible mention of Russia or Putin in any positive context, still the majority, a large majority of people in NATO countries sympathize with Russia. How is that even possible? And how are you going to mobilize now this society to go fight your war when nobody buys it anymore? You know, it's game over. It's literally game over. And I think that the only question is, what's the next stage? What's the world going to look like a generation from here?

Because I don't think it's even possible to predict this, but I think that all of this nonsense that they've tried to pull off with the Great Reset and the Fourth Industrial Revolution, it's like it's not going anywhere. It's not going places. Now, they're going to continue to try it, right? They're going to continue to try and force Central Bank Digital Current. on the people, they're going to continue to try and force ESG corporate credit scores.

That's the big headline coming through the EU right now that they're going to, they're, they're putting those, they're putting those really tight restrictions on exporters or exporters into the EU, right, that you have to hit a certain ESG score to be able to even import into the EU. They, yeah, there's that, they're going to continue to try. And they're hoping, I know they're hoping that they can crash the rest of the system and then create a scapegoat. And they've, you know, they've set it up. They've done everything to set up the scapegoat. Every Hollywood movie, the Russians are the bad guys.

I've been that way for 15 years. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. My kids noticed. My kids are 10 and 12. My 12 year old, he goes like, dad, it's always the Russians who are, the bad guys. He picked it up.

That's why. Tom, sorry for the interrupting, but Tom, I said, you must have purchased André Matiano's secondhand chair. Oh, I'm sorry, maybe. You bought his chair, didn't you? It squeaks.

This thing is ancient. I don't know. I love this chair. It's been on my porch for years. Sorry about that. I remember for a while, he had, in every video, he you could hear his chair. I'll try not to move around. People, people.

But he fixed, he fixed the problem. But now I hear from you. Is that like that's under my challenge? I got another chair right over there. I can, I can swap into it. You know, guys, when you get talking about how do you mobilize, let's just use the American people so that they want to fight the Russians. Isn't that the, like I go back to Tom what you said,

psychopaths don't back down they double down right now they're trying you know it's a couple thoughts coming through my brain it feels like they're trying everything to do to to to ramp up the fear the the the stoke the like okay here we go and then but then Alex mentions like the the internet just cuts through it all we it just cuts through over and over and over again we get to have conversations like this and so you you dampen it down a bit and then you see the balloons and you know the first thing a group of people around me say, ah, man, it's just chatter, it's just noise, they're just trying to do it all over again.

But I go back to what Armstrong said, and certainly that, you know, if you do your, you know, you go back on World War I and how they got the American people to buy into that was the Lusitania. You know,

hearing different people talk about Pearl Harbor, I never really had thought about it that much, but then they talk about Pearl Harbor and pulling the Americans in again. It's like, what do they have to do knowing that they're probably willing to do it at this point to pull all Americans around, all the Americans around like it's go time? All right. So here's one for you. The bombing of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, the important story behind it is not that the Biden administration ordered an act of war against the Germans and the Russians.

It's a big story. It's a big angle on that story. But the real story is that it made civilian infrastructure a target now, a legitimate target in this war. Because we did it, the Russians now have the opportunity to do it, and they would be well within their rights. In the same way, turning the argument on their head, well, hey, you know, if Russia doesn't want to get attacked by Ukraine for, you know, the Ukrainian sending missiles into Belgarod to blow up a diesel fuel plant, you know, depot or whatever, hey, man, all they have to do is leave Ukraine and go home. home and that'll stop. Well, got news for you. The Russians now get the turnaround and go, hey man, all we have to do

to stop hacking your fucking planes so they fall out of the sky is to stop bombing our fucking pipelines. So when you look at the FAA grounding all the planes, every plane in the United States a couple weeks ago, Lyftansa got hacked three days

ago. That's the Russians, folks. I absolutely believe that. Like the whole Russian cyber hacking story about the elections and all this other stuff. They know exactly where Russia's, like our military is not stupid. Our state departments, you know, our state department is done. The CIA's not stupid. These people know where their advantages are and where the Russians have advantage, right, tactical

strategic advantage in all these theaters. And, you know, saying that the Russians hackma election is a way of presenting, you know, pre, the preloading the argument that they're going to, you know, hack something important. And then once you have that, and this is the funny part about it, I was chatting with, I was on with Dave Kuntler, sorry, Dave Collum and Jim Kuntler, I said, Tommy Kerrigan's podcast. And I brought up the idea, I think it was on, it was with them. I brought this idea.

No, it wasn't. It was with somebody else. I was having a private conversation with a major. So think about this. And again, I hate to bring in yet another pop culture reference, but I'm going to. So there's the concept of the standalone complex. This is very important. Okay.

The standalone complex is a original with, is the copycat without an original, otherwise known as a meme. But think through very carefully. I'm going to go back to a piece of pop culture that most of you probably never watch, which is Ghost and the Shell standalone complex, where the laughing man incident in that show was a thing that happened 10 years ago.

And then comes back 10 years later with a copycat, copying the crime, but for a different agenda. Well, let's go to the East Palestine train derailment. I think personally, I think it was just classic, you know, infrastructure falling apart in Norfolk, Southerns, like not doing maintenance, blah, blah, blah, the whole thing falls apart. But then after that, there's five train derailments in a row. So the original inciting incident here is that it was just Act three,

Atlas shrug breakdown of the infrastructure and the basic bonds of society because the whole system's falling apart. But then the other ones are acts of vandalism. And you now have plausible deniability because the original one isn't that these aren't as well. And you're going to, this is the essence of what false flags are built around. So lying us into war is a time-honored presidential tradition going back the fucking the war of 1812 for God's sake Lincoln basically

forced the South into firing first to Fort Sumter it's what we always do get your opponent to fire first and then blame him for it's what we've done with Putin and the war in Russia it's nothing new here this is what we always do this is the playbook

this is the perfidious Albion playbook okay and the Russians are not stupid. They didn't take the bait on Nord Stream 2. They didn't take the bait on the Kurtzscheet bridge bomb. But they can parallel respond with parallel escalation by reminding everybody, oh, by the way, all of your air traffic is easily hacked. All of these systems are easily hacked.

And then now the question is, are they going to hack something here afterwards and blame it on the Russians? in a standalone complex style false flag attack in order to shift public sentiment. That's what you need to be worried about. It was a long-winded, like, high-concept thing, but this is the way these people think. This is the way they operate. Personnel is policy. Does that make any sense? I think that makes sense.

Yeah, that makes good sense. Yeah, yeah, that makes good sense. I think there's also the slow, gradual process. you and I, Tom, discussed this probably close to a year ago, not quite, but, you know, that part of the plan is squeezing the U.S. and the NATO from out of the Middle East. And, you know, that's going on, but it's not just the Middle East. They're squeezing them from out of Africa as well. Yeah. You know, and they're doing it in a similar way as they're conducting their military operation in, in Ukraine.

It's just a slow, methodical grind down and it's just like a, you know, like a diesel locomotives. It's just like going forward, going forward. And I'm, you know, like at this point, I think that is the Russians

carrying the carrot around. Not the West. Yeah, absolutely. They're getting trends. They're gaining allies. They're gaining converts and the Chinese. are backing them, the Iranians are backing them, the Indians are backing them. The Saudis are backing them, exactly. It's amazing. I mean, think just 2019 how different the

world was. Everybody was signing the Abraham Accords. Trump was going around, you know, maximum pressure sanctions on Syria, on Iran. It's all gone, you know, two years of Biden and it's all turned around. A little news story that hit the other day. Flew under the radar. Saudi foreign minister, Syrian foreign minister. First high-level talks since 2011. In order to help Syria deal with the earthquake.

Saudis sent AIDS. And the more military and they're going to send AIDS. No, they already sent aid to. to Syria. They're going to send more in breach of Western sanctions. They don't give a shit. No, they don't get anymore.

So, you know, if anybody wants to think, you know, if anybody wants to really think about this stuff, that base at Al-Tanth in the south of the desert of Syria, southern desert of Syria, is a target at this point. All of the bases,

the U.S. military bases, east of the Euphrates River, they're all targets. They're all been targeted. Like, it's a big deal. You know, there's a lot of other moving parts on the board. Turkey's a mess. There's all sorts of stuff going on here. But in the grand scheme of things, the Russians are gaining partners by the day. And the U.S. NATO is losing them.

Again, I was reading some really good analysis, just kind of confirming my position on this for a long time. It's presented from a different angle about Serbia and Hungary and the eventual partitioning of Ukraine, which is that the Russians are going to take everything from, you know, they're going to take

the 4-0 blasts have already annexed. They're going to get Odessa eventually. Odessa is going to wind up being the full criminal which World War III will actually turn, whether it will happen or not. But even if that doesn't happen, if the Poles are given back Leviv, then the Russians are going to want to have control over the land bridge into Hungary. Because if you can do that, then it opens up Serbia and Hungary to now be able to trade sanctions free with the East. And that's the path to the destruction of the European Union.

because that free sorts of free up that entire area new trade routes can be built all of that stuff can be done it's very very powerful analysis whether the russians are capable of militarily pulling them off i don't know okay i'm willing to remain skeptical until they put the actual stuff on the table and prove it just me in a little missouri about this show me and i have and we have to remain in that camp as long as possible we can have our arguments about whether or not we we think this is what could or could not have happen. But the reality is, until the Russians actually do it, we have to remain skeptical that they can do it. Okay. And then from there, we just, you know, we just go for, we just, we just, we just watch it play out. It's like markets, right? You know, Alex, I, you know, it's, oh, we had this great impulse move today about that break, it's a breakout on the Dow. But until it propagates through time in the weekly, monthly, and quarterly charts, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah. Yeah. So the Russians take back move. That doesn't mean anything. The Russians have got to take much more than that.

You know, they have to be able to prove that they can do a maneuver warfare against NATO trained troops. They haven't done it yet. They haven't proven it yet. Yeah, but, you know, time is running in their favor. And I don't know, like the Ukrainians, after

eight years of being trained by the NATO troops, by the NATO trainers and brought up to the NATO standards, now the, you know, Ben Wallace, the British, defense secretary is saying

that they have to learn to wage war with with less ammunition I mean you have freaking eight years to train them right and now you're now you're saying that they have to use less ammunition well I mean

I don't know I know I mean it's exhausting it would be like saying it would be like saying you should try to win the World Cup but with less practice you know you should you should not practice quite as much.

You should be able to win without practicing quite as much. I mean, I don't know if this is dumb enough as a as a as a, as a metaphor. It's just surreal what these people are saying. I would say winning the World Cup with less passing. Yes. Right? You have all the practice in the world, but then when you actually get to the thing, it's like, oh, yeah, they need to learn how to score with less passing.

or take fewer shots score more goals but don't take quite as many shots sure yeah in hockey sense yeah you're only you're only allowed 10 shots a game you know make them count boys okay you know as we bump up against time guys I was curious I listened to Joe Rogan

and Peter Zahan Zahan I was wondering if either of you'd listen to his thoughts I assume you know exactly who he is, but maybe I should never assume anything. But I was curious because, you know, he talks about everything we've been talking about for like the last, how many times he's been on now? Six times. Load of hogwash. It's all about resources and population. Oh, he's bullshit.

I've never argued. I've never, I've, it's a standard kind of CIA strat foresight analysis of, hey, you don't have people. So we can overwhelm you with people. I'm like, yeah, that's nice. By the way, those same people made that same argument about Japan 30 years ago. Japan then went ahead until under Abe, they really became a U.S. satellite. Japan was just colonizing all of Southeast Asia. They needed young people.

They just went to Vietnam in Laos and got them. Built factories over there and made tires and transmissions and all the shit that they're really good at. This did it in Laos. It's in Vietnam. I was studying the ship 50 to 13 years ago. And it was clear. While the, on the end, was strong before Abe destroyed it, that's what was happening. Well, got news for you.

Same things that happened to the Russians. Like, they just made friends with 3 billion people. Like, they got plenty of young people to colonize, make into their partners. Like, demographic analysis in a globalized. or even a regionalized economic world is stupid. It's dumb. And Zahan's a fucking idiot. And he's an amplified CIA asset.

Bite me, bro. I don't give a fuck. That's exactly what I think of him. That guy used to work at Stratfor. I talked to people who worked at Stratfor with him. And they thought he was full of shit when he worked at Stratford. And now all of a sudden this guy is being amplified? Yeah.

That's a classic flood the zone with, we have too many people like us giving out signal. So they have to flood the zone with noise. That's classic. Okay. It's classic. The best way to think of it is this, in American supermarkets, you know, when General Mills and Kellogg can't compete with the new guy on the block that puts out a better cereal, they don't put out better cereal. They put out more shit to fill a. in the shelves at the eyeline and push everybody down to the bottom of it.

It's a classic the bottom of the shelf or the top of the shelf in order to dominate, you know, what you see. That's all they're doing. That's a media strategy. It's very clear. When you can't beat them with content, you beat them with volume. Peter's eye hand is just part of it. Kyle Bass 2.0.

Kyle Bass was never right about anything. Ever. I put beside his name This should get Tom going I think I was right Alex You are on yours put on man Fuck that guy Like seriously

I don't care You guys know that I like I'm at this point where We're at a late date We're on the verge of World War III And I don't have time to suffer people Who have solipsism Okay I don't give me

No I think, Tom, listen, I think you're quite right. And I think it's a, it's high time that we speak in, in exactly in these terms because, you know, like I read, I, I read often these reports which are, you know, like they're on the right, they're on the right track. But people hesitate to say what they mean. And so they like dress it up in all these, you know, like they, they hedge their statement. They, they, they, this but that. And then they, you know, like kind of dress it up all in like impartiality and the balance view. And I think we're past that.

I think that you have to exactly call them out as you see them. And I think that people will understand because people, people are not stupid. You know, they were, they were, they were under days and hypnosis for a long time, but most people are waking up. So just to, just like, tell it to them as it is. Yep. I've been asked, I've been asked about Peter's eye hand, um, half a dozen dozen times in the last month. And I'm like, well, when I, when I, when I just like, Tom, when I argument, I get the same argument I give about Peter Schiff. I'm like, you're doing, you're actually doing damage to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the argument about gold and hard assets by not.

dealing with, you know, the problems that are directly in front of you and just telling people a fairy tale about 30 years from now. Like, it's, it's not actionable information. It's not. He may even, Zion may be right about, about the collapse of Russia's demographics in 30 years. He may be right. But who cares? In the process, in the meantime, like, all these other things are going to happen. And you can't, you know, Another thing I wrote about recently was the whole, hey, let's take a thing that exists today, and then let's push the slider bar on our on our Excel model all the way to the right and go, hey, look, things are, this trend is like this today and tomorrow it's going to be like this. Right. No different than that's how they've done the climate change thing.

It's a typical Malthusian two step. Like take a single variable, focus on it, make it the only variable that matters. and then push the slider bar all the way to the right in Excel or, you know, enter in the maximum number and then get an and then and then and then construct a graph and go see, I'm going to be right. That's nice. And then and then freak everybody out. And freak everybody out and then turn around and go.

And then when somebody turns around and goes, yeah, but dude, there's like six other variables you didn't account for. Oh, those are trivial. Doesn't matter. Yeah. When somebody's pulling that, when somebody's pulling that game on you, they're lying. When someone does, there are exactly two options. They're lying about what the options actually are. Yeah.

Climate change is an excellent example of where people, even when they realize that this is not to be trusted, because they expect that everybody thinks that climate change is what they're selling it out to be, they don't dare come out and say it. You know, so I, for me, you know, like, I started saying, like, no, it's bullshit. That's it. That's what I'm, you know, like climate change is the lie. We should just go on living our lives.

That's it. It's being used for idiotic things, you know, like European Parliament just two days ago voted to ban sales of internal combustion cars by 2035. I mean, that's 12 years from now. I mean, it's like nobody thought it through. it's like nobody thought it through even a little bit because how much cobalt, how much lithium, how much electricity you're going to need? What's the cost of all this going to be?

How much is the electricity going to cost if you try to electrify the whole car fleet in Europe? How much is it going to cost to maintain refineries if they're selling one-tenth or one-twentieth of what they used to sell? It's like these people are completely, zealots with with without you know like they're mindlessly pursuing agenda and then another thing where I've completely parted with politeness is when they talk about now now I'm gonna get myself into trouble when they talk about moon landing I just say

it didn't happen sorry it didn't happen it's not even it's not even a polite discussion it didn't happen I I again Alex no no no argument about this stuff. Like the idea that you can change over, like, here's the thing that they, here's the, the flip side of this argument about the ending internal combustion engines in Europe by 2035. Ready? Who in their right mind would want to trade with these people?

Set up long-term trade contracts with them. If they have an economy, an economy so fucking backwards, they will not actually be able to produce anything of value. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. I mean, like, no one is going to do business with these fucking people. It's just that simple.

And then, so what you're saying is, oh, you're going to ban the internal combustion engine in Europe by 2035. Okay, well, Europe was nice. What a nice idea. It was a nice idea for about a thousand years. It's over now. Like, no one's going to trade with you. No, you know what will happen? By 2035, it will be pushed off to 2050.

That was what will happen. Actually, and again, by 2035, the European Union is not going to. in existence current forms. It's like, it's, they're always to pass the

own grave Yeah, I think it's going to happen sooner. I firmly agree with that as well, but just let's, you know,

just to put the ball around the argument, it's there, 2035, yeah, there's no European union by that, so you're just whistling past your own graveyard.

It's just silly. Well, boys, I got a chuckle on this side. I sit here. I am, I am Arnold Schwarzenegger from the first,

Terminator. I just sit here and nod my head, chuckle at a few jokes, and poke my head every once in a while, and I'm quite happy to do it, because I'm just sucking in as much information as I can. It does help when I can get Tom just wound right up.

I think that's the greatest thing on the planet. It's back-to-back sit-downs where you guys leave me with something close to the end, where I'm like, what? And by the next time, we'll probably have it. I'll probably be using it in my thing. The moon landing is the new one. The time before it was Tom talking about Pearl Harbor

and I'm like, I've got to do some, okay, I got to do some digging. FYI, FYI, I'm, I don't, I don't want to sort of fight or anything, but I'm on the, I don't really care whether they happen that they didn't happen. Like, to me, it's irrelevant.

And that's, yeah, I don't care. I just, I just mentioned it in the context off. I try to encourage people to, if they have something to say, just freaking come right out and say it.

You know, the way you did about this guy. And rather than pussyfooting around because, you know, like it may be, it may be an opportunity, it may make you look bad. It may, you know, like people might say

you're a conspiracy theories and all. Just take the risk. Take the wrist. Like, like put your head out there and say it. And maybe you're wrong. But guess what? The crowd out there is going to set you straight if you are wrong. So just say it.

Alan, I had a doctor on Dr. Roger Hodkinson back like 100 and some episodes ago. It was right when I first started down the COVID rabbit hole. And he looked at me and said, you have to stop two-stepping issues. You want to kind of like, oh, maybe it's happening. Maybe it's not. He's like, no, you've got to plow right into it. And that's what you both are talking about. It's like you just got to hit it head on.

No, I did the same thing a year and a half ago and I said, look, the Fed's not raising interest rates to fight inflation. The Fed's raising interest rates to bankrupt ECB. I don't care if I'm wrong or not. They're going to 6%. And I said this many times, even when I said it originally, I didn't even believe it. But I wanted to get people to shock out of their complacency to start thinking about the possibility of the Fed going to 6%. Here we are a year and a half down the road. and now the Eurodollar futures curve is saying,

ooh, 5.6% by June. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you can see and you can feel it when you're watching the, the,

the euro dollar futures trade every day. And I do. I can watch it all. You can just see the fear. You can see them biting their fingernails. I don't have any because I also bite my fingernails. I know exactly the anxiety you guys have because I live that like all day long, except I'm trying to figure out whether I'm going to get fucking nuked or not.

I, well, you know what I think it is, Tom? What I think it is is that people have to, you have to have the balls to be wrong. Yeah. You know, you have to have the balls to be wrong. And I think that's okay. And so you did that. And, you know, like, I go with the moon landings because it's still so controversial. I kind of like to open the floor.

You know, I like to open the floor. I'll throw in another one for you. I'll throw in another one for you. And you'll forgive me. You'll forgive me because this is radical. But I think there's only two genders. See, that one will get us removed off everything, you know? Moon landing is like, whatever.

Two genders? Alex. I can't breathe. Paperback. Paperback. I'm getting the papers. Oh, my fucking God. A little comedy at the end, you know?

That's one way to end it. Thank you. Alex. Well done, sir. Well done. For the audience, I've been hassling these two. I'm going to try and find a way to get a live show here. And I'm targeting May.

That's what I'm going to say. And we'll see how I do. Because it'd be fun to have you guys together on stage in front of a live audience with not shitty, you know, where, you know, what is it? What is it Florida internet or is it, is it Canadian internet? I don't know. One of our twos is, is not happy today. I heard that the internet

I just need to reboot my laptop, to be honest with you. I, I heard that the internet was getting a little bit patchy in Canada. Canada, I love that. Well, boys, I appreciate you doing this again. It certainly will not be the last time.

As we know, it's become kind of a monthly fixture here. And I enjoy listening to you. you two go back and forth. I know a ton of people who first, whether they found their way to me because of you two or found you because of me, continue to fall along every time you two interact because they certainly enjoy it. I certainly enjoy it.

And hopefully brighter days are ahead of us, either way, one way or another, we'll have you two back on to talk about it. And hopefully in the near future a live show with you two would be a lot of fun as well. A great pleasure, of course. Yeah, same for me. If we can, if we can do it live, that would be, that would be fantastic. It would be. It would be. And you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, remember.

The beautiful province of Alberta, Tom. I know, to Alberta. So it's Edmonton or Calgary. Where are you? Me either. I'm in, uh, Lloyd Minster. Uh, the borders, the border city. Oh, wow. But I mean, if we did it in Calgary or Eminton, whoopty do. I mean, that's, I mean, that's, I mean, That's nothing for me. You got to realize that for me, big hockey fan, these are like, you know, this is, this is like mecca. Die hard Oilers fan on this side, boys. You know, oilers over the flames every day of the week and twice on Sunday. This is why me and Tom get along, folks.

This is why me and Tom get along. Sean, next time I'm on, I'll make sure I wear my oilers jersey. Who do you got? I know, it's just a, it's just a real kid. No, I never played. No, no, no, no, it doesn't have a player on the back? It's just, no, no, no, sorry. But if I did, for me, it was, oh, my favorite Oilers player of all time.

Oh, wow, that's a tough, that's a tough question. Probably, oh, God, probably Doug Wade. Doug Wait, that's who you're going with. Interesting choice. I like Doug Way. Well, when I watched a lot of Oilers hockey back in the late, 90s through the early 2000s, that's when Doug Waite was happening. That's one I, you know,

that's when they, when there was Gretzky and company, I was an Islander's fan. So that was, that was beyond the pale. I was beyond the pale, dude. I'm, you know, Brian Trachier all day, all day, every day, right? But, you know, in that era, you know, the Todd Marchon,

that, that collection of guys that was, because I'm a Sabres fan. So it's like, hey, the collection of third liners and the great goaltender, I love that kind of hockey. This is my kind of hockey. So, So that's the Kudjo period, right? Cudjo and my favorite of oiler of all time, Mr. Ryan Smith. Yeah, there you go.

Another great, yeah. There you go. Well, either way, boys, what a way to end it. After all that, to have Alex play along with the greatest joke of all time, maybe, and then Tom bring up the Emmington Oilers. I feel like we left on a high. Until next time. Until next time, fellas.

Thank you. Take care, guys. Thank you. Bye.