Shaun Newman Podcast - #398 - Dr. Robert Malone

Episode Date: March 13, 2023

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This is Dr. Robert Malone, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by Dr. Robert Malone. So, sir, thank you for hopping on. Well, thanks for having me, Sean, and thanks for the opportunity to talk to your audience. You know, it's interesting. I've had a lot of different doctors, professors, politicians, blah, blah, blah. I can go on and on.

And you've been one that obviously, I think a lot of us have seen, you know, everywhere, heard different countless thoughts. I'm a follower of Joe Rogan, seen you on there, you know, et cetera, et cetera. So to have you sit across for me for, you know, we'll see how long we go. But I do appreciate you giving me some time. That all being said, I would love it if you would humor me. You know, guests come on and, uh,

I would love if you talk a little bit of just about yourself, give people a little bit of your background, whatever you think is worthy of being in the story. I believe everybody's heard of Mr. Ballone, but you know, at the same time, I'm not naive enough to think that they all have, and certainly I'm going to treat you just as I would anyone else, which is I'd love to have a little bit of fun,

and if you want to talk a little bit about yourself, we'll jump into it from there. Well, let's see. I'm currently sitting here broadcasting from an old pig, barn that I've remodeled as a high-end studio on our farm in Madison, Virginia. That we've, Jill and I who's sitting in the adjacent room with dogs, busy working on substack, I think. We've basically homesteaded this place. We own about 30 acres and we lease 20 that's immediately adjacent.

And when we bought it, it was just raw a hayfield with some old buildings of which this was one built in 1945. And it had no water, no power, no septic, no fences, most importantly. I was originally a farmhand and a carpenter after I got out of high school and through high school and kind of worked my way through college.

I'm now a physician and a scientist, but this is our fifth small farm, my wife and I. We just had our 44th anniversary just a couple weeks ago. Let's see, what else? I long ago as a young man of 28, 29, had a series of discoveries and patent filings and invention disclosures and all that, having to do with the idea of using RNA as a drug and using RNA for vaccine purposes and reduce that to practice both by myself in cell culture and in embryos and then with other

colleagues in mice and demonstrated that it could be used for vaccination purposes. I did not work on these vaccines, and I did not invent MRNA. MRNA is a natural molecule that if anyone gets the credit for inventing it, I guess that would have to be God. So I don't claim that and never have, although the press does have a tendency to want to put words in my mouth and create a strawman argument that they can easily refute. Let's see, I have over 30 years of experience,

in infectious disease and biodefence, mostly, you know, in a combination of discovery research in academia and various startups, and then also in industry and as a consultant for many, many years, often working at the interface of small and large business and the U.S. government, particularly the Department of Defense in the biodefense space. There's a lot of chatter and jacketing going on about me about whether or not I'm CIA. I'm sorry, I'm not CIA. Sorry to disappoint you. Never have been.

And neither has my father or father-in-law. That's another one of the rumors that's going around. Although my father-in-law did manage Raytheon's special projects division and did a lot of work for the agency at Raytheon. So how's that? for a starting point. Carpenter, farmer, physician, scientist, and horse breeder. We produce Lucitana horses here on the farm, which is a Portuguese breed, and we just had our fifth bowl of the year, so that's

five out of five on the ground now. The fifth one was a Philly at the restaurant Colts. What, I'm curious, when you, when you, all your illustrious things, why horses, Oh, horses were the passion that brought both my wife and I together when we were really quite young. We've been together since high school. She was 15 and I was 16 at the time. And we used to ride all over the backwoods, the hills of Santa Barbara and along the beaches together. And it's been our shared passion ever since.

and the other answer is that horses are you know historically they really teach leadership there's a lot about horses that are as as Winston Churchill said there's something about the outside of a horse that's good for the inside of a man okay so horses yes all right I'm trying to get this you know it's funny you have this plan on this side and what did Mike Tyson say everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face Sean's version of getting punched in his face

is having Dr. Robert Malone on folks and then having audio problems where you're like, oh man, here we go. So my plan went out the window. You mentioned right off the hop that you're not a CIA guy. You know, I gotta be honest, Robert. You are in this realm of all these different people right now

where it feels like everybody is attacking everybody. Not just not and not just simply doctors. I mean across the board. It is strange. It is beyond strange at this point. So it's not just strange. There's a phrase for what's going on. It's called bad jacketing.

And it's a longstanding FBI strategy. There are a lot of paid disruptor infiltrators right now in the scene. I was just talking to a colleague who has counseled me from time to time, a very experienced media person who is currently trying to help Bobby Kennedy, who is suffering. the same fate right now of being accused of being controlled opposition and working with vaccine companies. It's absolutely absurd, but there's, there seems to be some natural tendency for humans to want to gossip that's amplified by the kind of mean girl kind of thing that goes on sometimes in groups. And the vector sum of all this is really dysfunctional. But you have to

to, you know, it's another part of having to grow a thick skin if you're going to be in this space. It's, you know, I've had to come to terms with the ugliness of corporate media and their complete lack of ethics and willingness to basically do anything to advance their agendas and their narratives. And now I, you know, for about a year, I've had to deal with various, you know, people motivated by a lot of different things. in this space. There's always jealousy and professional jealousy. That's kind of an overlay on top of everything. There's also a business strategy of amplifying outrage. And it's super good for clicks and followers, you know, saying outrageous things. And if I was to, it's a little bit like what happens when you have some young person shoot up a school. If the press amplifies the name,

then there's suddenly a wave of copycat activities. And the same thing happens with these practices. And if I start naming names of people that engage in this strategy, it'll only spur them on to greater heights. and generate even more people, because the problem with now having a following in the way that I do is that it's, I'm an easy way to leverage up in terms of followers and clicks, etc., by, or anybody, Bobby or anyone else, by saying something highly controversial about somebody, oh, did you hear thus and such, right? And then that gets amplified. That gets,

clicks, that gets followers, and they come from both sides. They come from the attackers and the defenders. And it just turns into a little firestorm. It's very profitable if you're in the business, whether you're CNN launching of Kipox, for instance, or you're a modest podcaster with 30,000 followers who wants to get to 60,000. The easiest way to do that is take a shot at, take shots at people. that are sitting at a million or two million followers. I guess I must have a weird brain because I hear that and I go, man, that sounds like a tough way to live life, you know, like taking pot shots of people and then, like, because that's what you spur on.

You're going to create something that is difficult to live in, I would think, you know, like that's just creating chaos to be, certainly, I guess, to get more prolific. I don't know. I hear that and I'm like, I want no part of that. Actually, the term that's used for many of these people is chaos agents. And a significant number of them are actually funded to do this. It's one of the, I mean, what we're talking about, by the way, to put a pin on it, are fifth generation warfare strategies. And that is a very complicated battlefield.

It's, if you come to terms with what fifth generation warfare is and you're, you're cognizant of that landscape and battlefield, your eyes are open to a lot of complexity in social media and the internet in particular, but really in all forms of media. You know, when you, when you like rewind the clock, Robert, you go back to, I don't know, Robert's a young. guy. 44 years ago you're getting married. You're, you know, you're just like green, or, you know, a little bit green to the world. You're stepping in. You ever think, you know, because this would put you at what, 60? How old are you today? 60. About 64. 64. Geez, you got married young. Yeah. When you, when you look at the, the road you've traveled, Did you ever think you'd be sitting here talking about fifth generation warfare and how they're trying to basically use it on you to try and discredit you and all these different things?

Obviously not. At the time I got married, I was so poor. I was unemployed. And I was so poor that the deacon of the church offered me a job sweeping the floor in the church. shortly afterwards I got a job in construction in Santa Barbara and after that decided to go back to community college that's all I could do you know I couldn't afford to go to a big school and basically bootstrap my way up my wife and I together with support from her parents but yeah there's no way that I would have imagined today, nor I think would most of us, that have lived through the last

few decades. It's been an amazing time, and as if the last few decades weren't crazy enough, the last three years certainly are. Yeah, the last three years have been something else. I mean, I don't even, you know, hopefully years to come when my kids get older, I'll be able to sit down and chat to him a bit about it and try and put it into some comprehensible sentences. Although I suppose they can go back and listen to all the podcasts that have happened through

the last chunk of time, you know, and get a feel for it, like a real feel for what's going on week by week, day by day almost. And that'll be interesting, I would think. And, you know, if it was a time capsule and you fast forward, whatever it is, 20, 30 years, I assume that will be, well, interesting, if nothing else. Yeah, so the problem with your assumptions there is what's called memory holing. Memory holing?

Yeah, it's George Orwell coined the term in 1984. And this is Steve Bannon's point. It's from his frame of reference, the only thing that's likely to survive and through the future is going to be the printed word. because there's such an active effort to remove information from the Internet that is contrary to the interests of the government and various other entities. So that's the term memory holing is. There was a great example of memory holing the other day when Project Veritas dropped the honey trap clip of that young gentleman that they, got that was from a senior executive at Pfizer. And within about two hours of when he, when he was revealed, let's say, in the Pfizer Veritas video clips, almost everything about him

had been scrubbed from the internet. His LinkedIn profile, any other social media, pictures of him from when he was in college. All information. And then after that, there was a concerted wave of bots and trolls that started advancing the logic that the person never had existed and that this was all a subterfuge and a ploy to entrap Project Beritas, and by extension myself, and James O'Keefe. That, fortunately, didn't withstand scrutiny because it turns out. that people had already screen grabbed a lot of that information and archived it before it got scrubbed.

And also another person from Pfizer, another whistleblower stepped forward and shared one moment, and shared internal organization charts that showed that the gentleman was, in fact, employee at Pfizer in the way that he said he was. But the whole episode was a great example of the power of large corporations transnationals to control information. As part of that, for instance, the Daily Mail in the UK, one of the largest English language publications in the world, put out a story about the project Beretus reveal from Pfizer. And within 10 minutes, it had been deleted. And the Daily male denied that it had ever been there. Another example of memory holeing. Is that unnerve you? That's just the way things are. It doesn't unner me. Fortunately, as a young person, I went, I was in

the gifted and talented programs in California back when California really cared about education as opposed to, you know, leveling the playing field for everyone. And I was, I was, I, I, I, I, I, was tracked and read, you know, all of the classics, Orwell and Huxley, and the death of Socrates and pretty much all of Shakespeare when I was in fifth and sixth grade. So a lot of this stuff is really embedded into my brain going way back to basically when I was a child. And so none of this surprises me. And then after that, I became another passion I share with my wife as we love science fiction and in particular cyberpunk so a lot of all of this was anticipated by the likes of sterling and William Gibson and and so many others it's funny i i've read

1984 it unnerved me and i always say you know you better have some something light and and if you're just tasting that for the first time uh you better have a a comedy special or a funny movie or whatever you need to brighten your day after you get through it because at the end of that you're like oh that that is a lot to take in but funny i don't recall the memory holing i i don't know i can't even that term doesn't even uh yeah it was amazingly impression uh um and you you may or may not know that huxley was orwell's mentor uh there's a great video clip out um if you ever look up the animated series uh titled After School, S-K-O-O-L.

It's a fantastic animated series. And they have an interview from Atlas Huxley from 1962. It's absolutely worth watching. And you can search after school, Huxley, and Orwell, and pull it up. It's, you know, all of this, what folks, if you're not into this kind of stuff, a lot of what we're experiencing now was originally planned in the 40s and even back to the teens in terms of globalization and global organization and the UN Agenda 2030. This has all been in progress in planning for a very long time, and that's not conspiracy theories.

You can look it up and see the stuff. Orwell, in an early edition of Brave New World, wrote a forward in which he, I'm sorry, in an early edition of 1984, wrote a forward in which he predicted that the future of mankind would be one in which we would all be basically pharmacologically controlled through, you know, the use, application of medicines. You know, you can think of young men in Ritalin as an example. And that the only way to escape this future, this totalitarian future that he was anticipating was if society would make a concerted effort to try to develop a decentralized political structures as opposed to this increasing centralization and globalization that we've seen march through history since those times. So do you think it's inevitable then that we crane, you know, closer and closer, I call it to the sun?

But, you know. The Icarus metaphor. Yeah. Flying too close to the sun, right? So your wings melt and you crash. So is it inevitable? That's why this book that Jill and I put out, Lies My Government, told me, has the tagline and the better future. coming. I don't think it is inevitable, and I think that one of the silver linings that has occurred

over the last three years is that many of us, and Huxley would say it's typically about 20 to 30 percent of any population is highly resistant to propaganda and hypnosis. So for those of us that are kind of in the bin of awake, we've been able to see a lot of things. that, for instance, I never thought, even with my background and my exposure to those classic works, I never thought that we lived in a world in which we had such profound control of media by governments and third parties. It's been a rude awakening to encounter the harmonization of global media and propaganda through the last three years and really what's behind it is

fifth generation warfare and the technology involved in that. I never would have imagined that. And yet now we can see it. We can see these various plans and operations that are in progress from the World Economic Forum. They're quite open about them.

Of course, there's the famous, quote, great reset and the great narrative and we used to all be told that those were, you know, conspiracy theory and propaganda, but in fact, those are the titles of two books authored by Klaus Schwab as the first author. We, you know, who would have thought the person that actually announced the Great Reset first before Klaus Schwab wrote his book is the current King of England? There's a lot of stuff that we can see now, that we couldn't see before, or at least,

least those that were seeing it were considered to be, you know, tinfoil hat wearing looney tins. And now here it is. It's in the present. It's in our face. And the question is, what are we going to do about it? And I think the solution still is the one that Orwell proposed, which is driving towards decentralized matrix structures, as opposed to the centralized command economy, utilitarian, structures that are being advanced by various groups, including the World Economic Forum,

as they, in their own words, attempt to shape the future for us towards a fourth industrial revolution, transhumanist future, that they speak of as the coming singularity in which mankind will take control of his own evolution, and the concept of God will be obsolete. It's funny. If you'd said all that two years ago, I probably would have been like, uh-huh. You would have flipped the switch. Right? Except, you know, it's funny. And so would I. You know, the first time somebody came here to the farm to shoot a video long ago, they were jabbering on and on and on about the great reset. And I thought, okay, well, they're here. I got to play along. And be nice to these guys. They've traveled to shoot this video, but I'm not going to talk about that stuff. I don't know anything

about that. I've never been to Davos. And then I had Mary Holland come visit from Children's Health Defense. So she's the acting director of Children's Health Defense. And she's a perfectly reasonable, highly intelligent, you know, extremely competent lawyer. And yet she was jabbering on about the Great Reset. And my wife and I, when she left, we both kind of looked at. We both kind of looked at each other and said, I don't know about Mary Holland. But we decided that we had to look into it. So we got Klaus Schwab's book and we started diving into the World Economic Forum. And by God, everything she was saying was true.

And now it's our group that we invested a few months of labor in tracking down all of the young leaders that have been graduated from the young leader training program of the World Economic Forum and building a massive spreadsheet with all of their names and their graduation dates and the fields they work in and where they come from and all that kind of stuff. And it's now the most comprehensive list available of people that have come through this World Economic Forum indoctrination program that Klaus Schwab, by his own mouth, says, you know, he's so proud that he has inserted these people into government and industry all across. the world, most notably in the cabinet and the government of Canada. So we have Christopher

Friedland and Justin Trudeau and Gavin Newsom and Governor Inslee and Pete Buttigieg and a host of others that have basically been trained in this World Economic Forum indoctrination program. It takes five years to get through it. And you have to be selected. There's certain criteria that they never tell you. No one, everybody apparently has signed some sort of a non-disclosure agreement. So no one will tell you, you know, ask Tulsi Gabbard, who's a graduate and as apparently rejected the WF. She still doesn't talk about what their training program was. The WF seems to put pretty good handcuffs on them to talk about what goes on in that training program. but the list of people that have graduated

or are tightly affiliated with the wef is really quite remarkable. A strong case can be made that the government of Canada has basically become a Weft client state without a shot fired. You know, it's, I think it's really important for people to hear what you said right at the start. They came and they talked about the Great Reset

and all these different things, and I was like, yeah, sure, but I'm not going there. And then you had somebody that you respected come and talk about it. Yeah, I don't know about that person. But you made the step of maybe we should look into it. Because, you know, I think for a lot of people, they are stuck on. Why is it more people aren't like just like opening a book, taking a little stroll down? Like maybe these people aren't freaking insane.

You know, because as it goes along longer and longer and longer, you know if you haven't uh strolled down that lane just a little bit just to see what's sitting there right on an open site open page read some books geez i mean listened at this point Robert i was you know i joked at the very start about about you it's like pretty sure 99% of my audience knows exactly who you are but in case they don't you know um you go like all you got to do now is just is open up some podcasts they're all sitting there uh you know and and and they certainly haven't all been scrubbed from the internet. The books are all sitting there.

Here's part of the reason why, because most people go to Wikipedia. And so if you go to Wikipedia, what you find is a highly edited bio of mine. And you may not be aware there's another wiki called wiki Spooks. Have you ever heard of that one? I can't say I have. So wikis are ubiquitous. There are many different wikis. And so Wiki Spooks is one that was set up to capture information about the intelligence community and people that are touching on the intelligence community and biodefence and those kinds of things.

So I have a Wiki Spooks page. And I didn't create it. It's just, I don't know who did. But they have tracked the editing on my Wikipedia page and hunted back who the main editors are. and most of that editing has been done by an entity, not a person, it's an entity who goes by the name Philip Cross and who has as their self-portrait on their wiki editor page literally a sock puppet. Okay, that's what he has is a sock puppet, you know, a sock over his hand, and he's taking a photograph of it interacting with his.

keyboard. And Philip Cross, quote unquote, works seven days a week and pretty much 24 hours a day has edited pretty much anything that has anything to do with, for instance, Ivermectin or any of the docs that have spoken out against the vaccine or the or the management of the COVID crisis. And he's been tracked here, it or whatever has been tracked to MI5. So it appears that what you have is Philip Cross is really a surrogate sock puppet for MI5 team that is busy manipulating publicly available information on Wikipedia. And we know now it's it used to be, there's another thing that used to be considered to be a conspiracy theory, the 77th Brigade in the UK. But in fact, now it's been confirmed that the 77th Brigade, which is a military unit that provide, that, that, that, whose job is to engage, among other things, on social media and engage in fifth generation

warfare propaganda and has been active all the way through the COVID crisis in reinforcing the narratives that the British Army and government wishes to have reinforced. And this all came out recently when one of the members of Parliament in the UK acknowledged that he is actually a member of the 77th Brigade. So what you're saying is for the standard person who doesn't already see a whole bunch of what's going down, if they do the simple things of check Wikipedia pages, they're going to stumble across Dr. Robert Malone, they're going to go, this guy is a crazy man and don't listen to the word he says, and they're going to go, oh, okay, that's all I need to know and walk away and carry out of my life. Or here's a fun exercise. Try to find my Joe Rogan podcast on Google. you'll never get there. If you go to the Spotify search engine, you will never find it.

You have to actually know the podcast number. I think it's 1757 or something around in there. And go into Spotify, type in Rogan 1757 or use Brave or whatever, and you'll find it right away. but if you try to go through Google, you'll never find it. My name alone is toxic on Facebook. And we'll get things banned. It used to be it got things banned automatically if it was on YouTube. And if you search my name on Google, you will typically get the hit piece from the Atlantic Monthly right at the top,

which was written, a horribly written piece from a young gentleman who usually writes for the Journal of Higher Education in favor of wokeism. It's absolute garbage in terms of journalism, but it is the one that asserts that I'm a liar. And this is kind of this theme that I'm a liar and I misrepresent what I've done in the past and my role in the technology. is a common theme that's repeated in multiple corporate media outlets. And that's what people see. That's what comes up. That's what is at the top of it. You've got to be willing to dig a little further.

I was just curious. I subscribe to Spotify. And I'm like, really, Spotify's doing that. Isn't that interesting? So type in in your name. And the first top result is COVID-19 guide. Isn't that funny? You know, and I actually can find.

Yeah, you scroll down. and it's in my playlist. There it is, yep. It's in my playlist, but it's by, it's not the Joe Rogan episode, right? So like here's Joe Rogan. It shows that you're, you know, it doesn't show that you're on there. Obviously, it suggests that. But somebody has created a playlist with your episode on it so that you can find it.

That's what they've done. If you want to find it, that's what you have to search. Yeah. You got already know what you're looking for. So it does come up, Robert, but some guy got smart enough. that he went in, put it on a playlist so that it actually bypasses whatever they got going there

because normally if you toss in other names it comes up immediately. I mean, it's Joe Freak and Rogan guys. Like, I mean, on Spotify. So there's another example Steve Kirsch captured in real time. And this also happened, by the way, with the Project Veritas drop

about Pfizer and that young man. When I said these words, words on Joe Rogan, mass formation psychosis. I'd like to joke these three words that cause Silicon Valley to lose bladder control. When I said mass formation psychosis, the next day, it just exploded in trending on Google. And people captured screenshots showing Google manually manipulating search results so that the many podcasts that I and Matthias Desmit and others had recorded about mass formation psychosis going back six, eight months were all downplayed. And the one podcast that had like 20 hits before that and was some guy saying this is all bunk was the one that anybody

could see. And this is all captured in real time. The manipulations manual. manipulations of Google search results is something that they will do anytime there's something that starts trending that is not to their liking. I'm, you know, it's funny, the, I'm looking for, I think it's Isaac Group and I, no, maybe it's not that. What is it called? The underground press of the Soviet Union. I had, uh, uh, it was Francis Christian, a doctor out of Saskatchewan come on and, and talk

about it. I can't remember now what it's called Robert. And I'm doing my best here to multitask. Oh, no, it's the Samizdat. That's what it is. I don't know what the heck I was thinking. The Samizdat is a form of dissident activity across Eastern Block in which individuals reproduced censored and underground makeshipped publications.

That was, you know, like certainly, oh, my goodness. my brain today is just is not happy with me. Need more happy. That's right. It's funny because I hear what you're saying, Guleg archipelago. I was trying to spit that out of the house. Oh yeah, of course, the Gullag Archipelius.

You know, and how that came to be. Anyways, he talked about the underground, and what I see happening right now, it's really interesting to watch, but it can be infiltrated very easily because if you do something that's convincing, it'll get spread the same way.

So then you have to, you know, decipher truth from fact. But in the very early days, if you did an interview with Joe Rogan, which he did, and certainly I think everybody watched or a healthy majority of people watched. Rumor has that it popped over $100 million. Well, here's the thing. What happened was it hit my email inbox, my text message, my group chat, blah, blah, blah, blah, boom, boom, boom. and certainly if Sean on a very small scale

interviewed somebody and the one that comes to mind it was Dr. Eric Payne when we were talking about kids and giving the vaccine when it was first coming out here in Canada and maybe even the United States at the time too what happened was that interview was so popular it spread like wildfires through the same group chats

because everybody was like have you seen this have you seen this have you seen it it's still going on to this day so they can scrub everything they want but if you're part of that group which a lot of us are. You're going to find everything, everyone's going to see it, but the problem now is is to decipher what is

meant to be there and is good for you and what is a load of just hogwash because there's that going on through there as well. That's part of the 5GW, and I'm not talking about cell towers, that's going on is we

have professionals and many of those are military subcontractors and also subcontractors to our organizations like Department of Homeland Security that are busy interacting with those communities. And there's a variety of subterfuges. There are known infiltrator disruptors that came into the Canadian trucker protest towards the end, and were involved in disrupting that. And the same people were active in disrupting the American trucker process.

tests. And one of those individuals, you can find information in a website called the Themis Report, T-H-E-M-I-S report. The Benita files and the Themis Report can both be found through that website is a woman who has got a long serial history of this kind of stuff and somehow wormed her way into the good graces of Peter McCullough and then leverage that out into a number of other communities. That's part of the strategy is that these people often find some angle that allows them some entry into the community and then they will network out through that. You bring up, McCullough. Have you just talked directly to them? I always assume I assume always from this side and if I'm wrong, Robert, just tell me I'm wrong. I always assume that when I think of

yourself and others that you guys are talking daily, I don't know if that's true or not. I don't know if you guys met. We used to. There has been so much of this kind of bad jacketing activity. So much has been spread that many of the formerly aggregated communities are fragmented, which is the intention. So there's no point. pulling it back? I... Pulling what back. The...

I... I just assume... I guess this is my... Me being naive. And so you'll have to... You'll have to forgive me on this side. I just feel like a quick call from Robert just clears up like, hey, listen.

I don't know what's going on. It doesn't work like that. I've tried. And other people have tried. Isn't that wild? That, to me... There's a lot of complexity here. here, Sean. There's people that have lost their livelihood. There are people that are

racked with jealousy. There are people that are trying to build income streams. There are people that are engaged in various sales schemes. The substack is paradoxically both a good and the bad because people get revenue from substack. And as I was saying, part of the way to build your substack following is to say outrageous stuff. And then you get subscribers and followers because there is a whole cohort of, as I mentioned, I mean, haters are going to hate and trolls are going to troll. And people seem to thrive on this gossip and negativity. It's extremely destructive.

I was, frankly, one of the early ones to start warning people about this. I don't know why I saw it. It feels like all through this, I've been a little bit at the tip of the spear all the way through. And then, you know, people again and again, like, for instance, at one point I had Bannon telling me, stay in your lane. You know, don't do things like talk about the web. And now everybody talks about the web, and it's a mainstream topic at CPAC, you know, and many of the conservative forums. And, of course, online. and everybody talks about it all the time as one of the main issues here.

But there was a point in time where it was quite bold for me to be talking about it. And I was told, hey, just, you know, you're supposed to be a medical guy. Shut up. And likewise, I warn people about a lot of these practices that I was seeing bubbling up that were really tearing groups apart and was told, oh, no, you shouldn't talk about that. you shouldn't even mention it. You should try to make nice with this person or that person. And then I would try and other people would try.

And this or that person would be like, hell no. And now I'm having people come back to me saying, oh, the things you were telling me six months ago, I'm now seeing it. And I now understand what you were talking about. So I don't want to name names or get into it any further. No, no, no. And so I apologize for. keep bringing it up. I'm not actually, to me, Robert,

less interested in with the personal ongoings of Dr. Malone. Maybe that sounds ridiculous to say out loud. I just, I see from where I sit, this same type of thing that you're talking about happening in multiple different groups across the board. They've found their way in.

And honestly, absolutely. That's what I'm saying. There are absolutely professional paid infiltrator disruptors, as there always are. Bad jacketing is the term for this, for instance, universal weapon in which people are accused of being controlled opposition. The accusation of controlled opposition is akin to the question,

have you stopped beating your wife? There is no way out of that. It's the best metaphor I have is, You remember the old Monty Python sketch from, I think it was the King Arthur win. Search for Holy Grail? Holy Grail. Remember the witch sketch? Sketch?

She's a witch, right? And there's nothing that she could do to prove that she wasn't a witch, right? You know, the logic was, oh, you throw her in the water and she doesn't sink and she rises, then she's a witch, right? Yeah, and if you drown, she obviously wasn't an oops. It's the same logic. You just went up in my father's books like tenfold by bringing up Monty Python, just saying. Well, it's a perfect example. I mean, Monty Python all the way through hits on some amazing human behaviors,

like Life of Brian talking about the Palestinian People's Front versus the People's Front of Palestine or whatever it was. You remember that segment? all that divisiveness. I mean, that's talking about the same thing of all of this, you know, oh, you're not with us. And it, you know, I wrote a couple of essays about this on Substack talking about the French Revolution. And maybe they went over people's heads. But the time of Robespierre in the council is a great illustration of this whole phenomena of Jacques, where you're accused of something and often the accusation is that you're not sufficiently radical.

So this is another thing that's going on. For instance, I refuse that, you know, there is a whole cohort of people that are adamant that there is no such thing as a virus. Now, I'm sorry, I'm a virologist. I've spent much of pictures of viruses, isolating viruses, growing viruses, passages, passages, there are viruses. I'm sorry, that's just the truth of it. They're bacterial viruses, there are plant viruses, there are human viruses, there are

mouse viruses. They cause cancer in some cases, all kinds of things. Okay, viruses exist. But if there's a cohort of people that if you don't deny the existence of viruses, then you are absolutely controlled opposition. If you deny, that graphene oxide forms the crystals, despite the fact that Raman spectroscopy shows that those crystals and some of those vials are actually cholesterol. And by the way, cholesterol is a major component of the formulations. And graphene oxide is not. But if you deny the existence of graphene oxide crystals, you are the devil incarnate to many people. I mean, that's this splintering. And the problem with with this kind of stuff is it's a it's a perfect opportunity for those who wish to

disrupt and to demoralize or delegitimize people is to come in and say outrageous stuff and then then a certain cohort will say oh yeah I believe that outrageous stuff you know and everybody wants to jump on the bandwagon and start repeating the outrageous stuff because it gets clicked and people pay attention to it. Oh, this is the latest outrageous stuff. And then, lo and behold, in swoops the press and says, oh, look at all of these conservatives have gone that shit crazy because they all believe that there's no viruses,

or they all believe in Sasquatch or UFOs or whatever the thing is, right? Well, let me ask you this then, because to me, this is a very real problem. I don't have to know all the stories of what Dr. Robert Malone is going through to understand that I have seen it in different communities that were once healthy and are now falling apart. I've had people walk into the studio that I very much respect that have background in the freedom convoy and different things like that that say just like I don't know what's going on. Like this is the most bizarre thing. And when I listen to you talk, I go, okay, I think I think we all know what's going on then. we just don't want to acknowledge it.

One, I think that's easy enough. Two is, you know, I got this, I'm literally putting on a show about legacy media, you know, you call it what you want corporate, mainstream, doesn't matter. And how do you pull back what they're doing? I mean, here in Canada, we have, you know, we have mainstream media that has bailouts, money. You're a client state, like I said. Yeah. So you bring all these people in.

It would go down this path. But you bring all these people in because there's lots of good people that want to get the voices of the right people out. Because I'm, you know, I hear you start. I'm like, man, I don't know if I've, like, I'm probably just as bad as anyone. I don't need to judge anyone. I'm as bad as anyone. I see a headline and go, oh, okay, well, that's kind of strange. Like, I don't know why they're doing that, but okay.

And somewhere in the back of your brain, it just lodges there even though you haven't gone and looked at all the different things. There will be studies on this. And I understand that and everything else. And I go, for me, it's like, we have all these brilliant voices that are popping up all over Canada. I've seen them happen almost one by one. And certainly I'm a little player in that, nothing big. It's like, so how do you compete against a media that is getting billions of dollars to do exactly play a part in exactly what you just said? I don't have the answer.

I'm curious if Robert has the answer. Okay, I think I do. And it's something I lecture on. And if you care, there's a, you can search my talk in Stockholm from about a month ago on fifth generation warfare and sovereignty. A lot of people found that talk, a real eye opener. In Canada, we have clear documentation, multiple press accounts, and your version, of Freedom of Information Act that is clearly and thoroughly documented that your military has

been involved in fifth generation warfare against your citizenry during the last three years. It's unequivocal. And these are very powerful psychological tools, nudge technology and all these other things. And they were designed to combat fourth generation warfare, basically asymmetric insurgency activities such as al-Qaeda or the Taliban. And they, what people often, the naive don't recognize is that pretty much all the social media platforms

are actually fifth generation warfare tools. Twitter is both a weapon and a battlefield, for example, and particularly was, you know, before Elon came in. but it's absolutely still a battlefield. Twitter was deployed during Arab Spring by U.S. intelligence. Twitter is a weapon. And people don't recognize what's going on with these things. I've written about it and provided examples.

I've had clients that were developing add-on tools for these kinds of applications. validated tools that can look at in an algorithmic way can look at the words you're saying and extract your emotional state from those words and how you use them. And then tie that into algorithmically to mapping all of your cloud of contacts and statistically evaluating where you sit in that cloud of contacts in terms of your own stridency, anger, whatever the emotion. There are multiple emotional parameters that are searched and derived. And that's how decisions are made.

People think shadow banning is something personal. Oh, they've got it out for me. They're going to shadow ban my account or whatever. That's bullshit. That's all algorithmic. And it's being done so that it crafts in, influences what the people that you're interacting with hear and think and believe. The battleground in fifth generation warfare is the battleground for your mind.

It's not for territory. The idea of battling over territory is obsolete now. That's first through third generation and to some extent fourth generation warfare and kinetic weapons and all that. That's all yesterday's business. And obviously in Ukraine, we still have third generation warfare. but the battleground right now, for instance, here's a great example of fifth-gen warfare. Did you read Seymour Hershey's piece on the pipelines that got blown up?

Oh, on Nordstream. Sorry, yes. Right. And so the press comes out and denies what he says. And time goes by. And now apparently there's a new thrust vector. that Germany wants the hell out of that whole Ukraine shit show. And so all of a sudden, over the last week, we've had a bunch of stories pop up.

I don't know if you noticed. All across the world from main corporate media, like in Germany and the United States and many of the other allied nations, the NATO nations, promoting the idea that these were Ukraine dissidents of some kind that were responsible for this. incredibly sophisticated operation of, you know, blowing up these highly concrete-en-cased pipelines at the optimal particular location off the coast of Norway. Somehow, you know, eight Ukrainians in a sailboat dove to these incredible depths and planted these depth charges and then triggered them through a sonar buoy, a pretty sophisticated

stuff for a bunch of Ukrainian dissidents. But that's the new story. And it's being promoted unilaterally all across the world simultaneously. And it just happens to provide very nice cover if you happen to be the German government wanting to get out of Dodge. And an American government starting to say, uh-oh, we're in a quagmire right now. We're in quicksay. And we don't know how to get out. And we can say, oh, it was the bad Ukrainians that were responsible for that.

suddenly we've gotten out diplomatically. I mean, all of this stuff that we think we're understanding that's being pitched to us, you've got to look at where it's popping up and who's promoting it and how it's being promoted. When it comes out in a synchronized fashion like this, you have to, so another example was China, this is part of what provoked that. China came out with this position they're going to back Russia against Ukraine, remember? They're going to back them politically. They're going to back them by joining the BRICS alliance,

which, by the way, is in a good position to totally destroy the American economy if Saudi Arabia goes to BRICs currency instead of the dollar for the petro exchange. Okay. And if that happens, we're going to have hyperinflation in the United States. And so China makes this chessboard move. And within a week, suddenly, out of the blue, the Department of Energy and the FBI is announcing that the Wuhan Institute of Irology is responsible for releasing this virus.

And everybody says, oh, is this new information? And Chris Raid comes on and he says, it's the only thing he'll talk about. He won't talk about whether or not Fauci funded it or anything else. He'll only talk about that. And he says, oh, and we've known this for a long time. Oh, but by the way, he refused to give that information to Congress. But now suddenly he wants it out. And everybody wants to point fingers at China.

As China, it's clearly a retaliation, a quid pro quo in a sense because China did this move with Russia. And now we've got to hit China in the nose using this new strategy. But the nuance is we have to do it in such a way that people don't turn around and say, yeah, but where did the money and the technology come from, right? And so that's what you see. It's, it's when you, once you can see this stuff, it all, you know, it becomes fatally amusing. And I guess that's part of why I, I have been able to grow a thick skin and withstand a lot of the stupid that gets thrown at me is because I know that a lot of this is manipulated and it's actually fairly transparent except for those that are still hypnotized. which unfortunately may be 70 or 80% of the population.

So you come back to media, getting different people that are all trying to pull, in my estimation, and could there be a bad actor or two in there? Certainly. But for the most part, of trying to pull the similar direction. How do you, how do you,

you talk about people being hypnotized, how do you snap the finger and get them out of it? So thanks for that. I talk about this all the time. I spoke about it to the conservative MPs in the Carlton Club in the UK three weekends ago. There's two key messages I'm trying to put forth these days. Number one, learn what fifth generation warfare is. It's not just a phrase.

It's a whole technology suite. It's a way of approaching conflict. As I said, your mind is the battleground. your emotions, your thoughts, just to put a pin on that one, you probably think of yourself as a sovereign individual, given who you are in the nature of your podcast. You're a sovereign, independent, free-thinking individual who makes up his own mind. Those, that concept of your personal sovereignty is obsolete. It's an anachronism. In a world in which everything that you think, every bit of knowledge that you're exposed to is intentionally manipulated. Your very emotions are

intentionally manipulated using high-powered psychological sci-ops warfare tech that's been deployed on you. The idea that you have personal sovereignty when everything that you're thinking and believing and exposed to is manipulated is obsolete. Now, as Huxley, points out for about 20% of us, we are completely resistant to that kind of hypnosis and that kind of sciops. But for most of the population, they're either readily hypnotized or somewhere on the gradient of, yeah, they're susceptible. Because this is highly refined field tested, battle tested tech that's been deployed. Okay, point number one. Point number two, because of this, you'll recall for those of us that are, let's say, awake or not haven't been in the narrative

about the jab or whatever, we've been subjected to some pretty ugly stuff. There's been nasty things said. We should be allowed to die. We shouldn't be able to get hospital treatment. We shouldn't have blood transfusions. We shouldn't have organ donations. We should be basically placed in concentration camps. We should be locked in our homes.

We shouldn't have government privileges, Mr. Trudeau. We should have our trucks seized because we're parking them and honking them. We should be subjected to mounted troops that are attacking us, even though we're in peaceful protest, right? That goes on and on and on. That's the thing that we've been subjected to over the last three years, particularly the last two. And it's really easy to hate.

It's really easy to be angry. How could you not be angry after experiencing what Canada has experienced? And so when you encounter these poor souls that are in the grocery store with their face nozzles, or Grandma Smith or your sister or the people in your daily life that have said and done all these ugly things, don't come to Thanksgiving, you're going to kill Grandma. All that messaging, which was absolutely promoted and inserted into your mind and inserted into the body politic. It's easy to hate those people. And if you keep hating them, there is no way that you're ever going to be able to bring them along the path to actually understand.

understanding what's happened to. You have to somehow reach for that Christian charity, open your heart, forgive them to the extent not don't forget what's been done, but somehow for the average person in your life, you're going to have to forgive them. If you're ever going to build a coalition, it's more than 20 or 30% of the electorate, or you're just going to get stomped on for the foreseeable future. And so are your children. we're all going to end up indentured servants. If you want to win, you've got to figure out some way to communicate with those people that have said all those hateful things. Now, that's not to say that we shouldn't hold Christopher Friedland, Justin Trudeau, Klaus Schwab, Anthony Fauci, go on and on on the list, accountable. They absolutely have to be held accountable. But for the average person in our daily lives, and I like to use the metaphor of the poor soul in the grocery lines, still wearing the face nozzle, don't hate them. You know, they're hypnotized.

They've been subjected to this propaganda, and they're not as strong as you are. And they have been twisted by what's been deployed on that. The other key point in all of this, if you take the time to learn and understand fifth generation warfare, it's a little bit, the first thing that will happen is it's a little bit like understanding how marketing was. works. Once you understand how they sell you hamburgers, chocolate shakes and candy bars, and Cocoa Krispies, suddenly all that stuff kind of bounces off of you. Right. And you know how it is with your kids. Your kids are like lambs to the slaughter for that technology, for modern marketing technology. But once you can, once you learn it or you teach your children to see through it,

then suddenly it doesn't work so good on you. Likewise with Fifth Generation Warfare in this kind of Psiop's Propaganda Warfare. Once you understand their tricks and tools, they don't work so good on you anymore. That's level one. The next thing is, if you start practicing these methods,

because there's characteristics at Fifth Gen Warfare, number one, it is intrinsically leaderless. You should never know who the leader is. It's intrinsically decentralized. It's low energy. You don't have to have an F-18 or an M-1 tank to engage to be a fifth-generation warrior. You don't have to have an M-1. You don't have to have an AR-15.

You can engage in fifth-gen warfare and play the same damn tricks on them that they're doing on us. I advocate that you please hold yourself to a higher ethical standard and don't lie. but if you learn the technology, then you can deploy it yourself. And what happens if you start thinking that way is you're no longer a victim. You can become a warrior. And the key point is that there are probably maybe 100,000 of these kinds of military-grade cyber warriors out there that have been trained. We're millions and millions and millions and billions. Okay. As I said in Stockholm, the Fort Bragg unit in the United States Army that grew out of the Ghost Army of World War II, that is one of our most advanced sci-offs divisions, has a total of 800 soldiers.

And I was addressing a crowd in Stockholm of 1,300. And I said, if every one of you decides that you're going to be a warrior instead of a victim, we've got more people on keyboards than they've got. and that's just one little conference. So those are my two key messages is if you want to win over a substantial fraction of the population so that we don't keep losing elections, that assumes that we have fair and free elections, by the way, then somehow you've got to bring those people in the persuadable middle along and you're never going to do it if you're full of hate and anger, because they just won't trust you, they won't listen to you. If you're attacking them because they aren't sufficiently with you, you've lost the war. And the only people that win in that scenario are our opponents.

And if you learn the methods of fifth-gen warfare and the technology and what they're doing, how they're doing it, then number one, you become resistant to it. And number two, you can start deploying it on your own side for your own purposes. And keep in mind that the thing that made Al Qaeda so incredibly frustrating, the reason why the U.S. military has lost every single fourth generation asymmetric war all the way back to the Viet Cong is because they are decentralized. And in Al-Qaeda's case completely after they killed Osama bin Laden, that then emerged as a movement in which there was general strategic objectives conveyed by Mullahs and others. You know, kill Americans was the only main edict. They didn't tell you how to do it or when to do it or, you know, how to design the roadside bomb.

They just said, do this thing. And you had a decentralized response with independent autonomous citizens. all over the world acting against American soldiers and American interests. And it was incredibly effective. And the CIA and the DOD and all of the little, you know, fantastic new bomb armaments that we have couldn't really crush it because they would, it would pop up here and they would do something. It's whackamol.

And then it would pop up there and then it would pop up the other place. And that's basically the decentralized stress. we have to use if we want to counter this coordinated effort that's been developed over decades that seeks to put us in a position of indentured servitude. There, I've finished my rant. I'm glad we've talked about this. Once again, I joke, you know, I come in like Mike Tyson having a little bit of a plan and then you get punched in the face and audio sends you this way, that way,

and all of a sudden we end where, you know, for an hour and plus in, and I've held you to this bad jacketing, you know, concept and everything fifth gen. And I'm like, but I find this very, very enlightening, I guess, is what I would say, Robert. I've been, you know, I've been really struggling with a few different things on this side, you know. And when I, when I listen to you, the next thing I think is like, you know, once upon a time I had this, you know, here's a young guy's, you know, naivity when it comes into different things of the world. One thing was, I remember thinking,

you know, there's no group of people that are playing moves out over these slow long, you know, durations of time. I thought it's just, that's impossible. And then I read Solimani. Then I read Solgenit.

And like in the first 50 pages, he talks about the big game of Solitaire and moves taking months to years to you get the point. And you're like, ah, fuck, well, Sean, you've missed you've messed up on that. And then, you know, you talk about this fifth gen and you talk about different things. And you talk, you know, honestly, that this has been, you know, brewing for some time.

And I think for the regular everyday person, that is a hard concept to grasp, as almost as troubling as it is hard to graphs that it's been, you know. It is incredible. So, um, the, the landscape, if once you, So there's a saying in this space, the only way to win at fifth generation warfare is don't ever play. The battlefield is so torturous, so twisted. It's a world in which there are no ethics. There's no separation between combatant and civilian.

We are all combatants and we are all civilians. There is no rules of engagement. everything, it's, it's everything all the time. Anything goes. Uh, there's, there's no ethical boundaries. Um, lying is an asset. You have to, it's, it's like for me, it may be one of the reasons. So I'm, I'm comfortable in this space is I've dealt with the intelligence community for years. And, uh, that is a hall of mirrors. They lie all the time. They're trained. adept liars. And you have to learn techniques like triangulation. And another technique that's useful is you can detect hot topics because functionally, you know, metaphorically, they'll put

an electric fence around them, things they don't want you to talk about or know about. And anytime you get close to that, you'll get a shock. Okay, they'll attack you. You'll have a, you know, if you're somebody with some influence, you'll have a piece come out at you by Rolling Stone or Business Insider or whatever the hell, right? They'll, or a fact checker will come out and say you're whatever. When you get close to those hot topics, they'll hit you when you poke at them. Another of their strategies is the limited hangout. And if you don't understand what a limited hangout is, you better get a clue. So a limited hangout, a great example is this stuff with Nord Stream.

Or the Chinese Wuhan Institute of Virology. That's a great example of a limited hangout. Everybody's saying, hey, look at the Chinese Institute of Virology. Look what they did over there. Look at all the bad stuff, the CCP, CCP, CCP, CCP. Don't look over here about who funded that and the technology transfer. Just look here, right? That's a limited hangout, where they're giving you some,

limited amount of information that is basically already in the public sphere, but to have it acknowledged by, you know, the Washington Post or whatever, everybody or Politico, everybody says, oh, my God, look what Politico is saying now. They're finally acknowledging it. And they miss the fact that behind that is other stuff buried that they don't want you to look at. This is also going on currently about the international health regulations and the World Health organization. Once you see these strategies, you can see through them. But it takes a little while, and sometimes it can be a little bit of a hard lift to come to terms with the world in which all the things that you thought you knew are become fluid. The other day, what I thought was the

capstone in all of this, as I'm, you know, my entire world of what I thought, the world was has just been blown apart. Then we had Tucker Carlson come out and speak about one of my earliest memories, the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And that absolutely this has been covered up. By law, it's all the Warren Commission is supposed to be released, Warren Commission reports. And none of the presidents will do it,

even though they're obligated to do so by congressional statute. And Tucker asserts that he has an inside source that's reviewed all that material and says, absolutely, the CIA was involved in the assassination. You know, if once you hear that, if you accept that as a possibility or a probability, then suddenly you have to confront the fact that directors of the CIA and members of the intelligence community and the executive branch have known of that truth for decades. In my case, my entire lot. And has covered it up.

You know, then suddenly things like Cheney and Abu Ghraub and the torture and the unwillingness to hold him accountable, all this stuff starts cascading. And you're just like, oh, my God, where is there solid ground? All the things I thought I knew. and then pretty soon you end up in a space where you're starting to scratch your head

and go, are we the good guys or is the world different than the way I thought it was? It reminds me, I've said this a lot. You know, when you first watch The Matrix, I can't remember. I remember the first time I watched it. I was young and

I remember my brother's telling me, you got to watch this movie. And so I watched it on a TV. It was probably VH. Chess probably back then. Who am I kidding? It was a DVD, but you get the point.

I'm joking. But I didn't see it in theaters. And the first time I watched it, I was like, holy crap, this is something. Like, that was a pretty cool flick,

right? And one of the thoughts I had, Robert, multiple times in COVID, me and my brother used to get in their argument about this. I said, you know, some days I just want to be cipher,

man, just stick me back in. Like, I just, I don't want to, like, you know, go down the rabbit hole of like, how long have they been doing all this, what is red pill and blue pill,

is now become the universal cultural. 100%. And the other thing, you know, when you talk about that keeps spurring in my mind is when you talk about bad jacketing, actually the Hunger Games comes to mind, which is weird, but I think of PETA and the tracker, jacker, venom,

when he's coming off of all the, if people recall, off all the propaganda they fed him and they put tracker, you know, it's, I'm like, oh, geez, why have I never thought of that before? because I've never had Robert on the podcast, folks. But one of the things that's tough is like coming out of my experience,

and I assume this is a lot of people's experiences, coming out of like, do, do, do, do, world's good place, sunshine, and we're the best, blah, blah, blah, blah. Don't worry about anything. And then being confronted with COVID for me and going to Ottawa in particular and seeing what was on the ground and then doing the stupid thing of turning on the CBC and seeing what they were saying and being,

like what is going on those things even for me now is hard to like shake off and you know like because you know i've only been paying attention i suppose for a couple of years and it's still uncomfortable so if you're at day one how uncomfortable is i'm in a dark room and i inadvertently back into the light switch and i see things and even if you flip off that light switch, you can never unsee those things. They are seared into your brain and you're never the same. And then you're in this bizarre world where it's almost like retroactive amnesia where you're suddenly saying, oh, all those things that I thought I knew, I now have to reevaluate because I've learned that the press

does not have the integrity that I thought it had. And I would tack on... The information I've been subjected to has been manipulated. And I would tack on to that, Robert, when you talk about, you know, going back and talking about anger and hate to the people that, you know, can't see it, when you talk about inadvertently backing into a switch, I chuckle.

I'm going to be honest, folks. I am not some genius. I think by now people know that. But I think that makes perfect sense. And I think some people need to understand that they did the same thing. And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like their gift to mankind or anything else. It's like, no, you probably backed into that same switch that all of us did. And you got to understand that about people.

And then on top of it is uncomfortable. Like there's got to be a level of humility here to, I don't know how to go about all of that. but certainly for people that are in the first stages of bumping into that switch, A, it's uncomfortable as hell. Two, they might try and turn it off. Like, I don't know, I'm just going to flick it back off. But you go, but now they've seen it, and it's, it's impossible not to unsee what, you know, like it's impossible.

I don't know of a men in black move yet, although who knows, maybe they'll bring up the little, you know, B, and we'll all go back to just what it was, and we can carry on with life that way. But there's got to be a level of humility with some people that are just trying to, to come to terms and grapple with everything that's going on. Because it, you know, like, it is uncomfortable. Listen, I'm the first to say I had arguments all the time.

Just put me back in, man. This is way too much. And certainly COVID was on steroids. Like, I mean, on steroids. Yeah. Yeah, that for me, one of the earliest epiphanies was realizing that the, that all of this was globally harmonized and deployed simultaneously. And I was able to see that because I had taken the jab and was able to travel.

I took the jab in part so I could travel, and I'm vaccine injured, by the way. But, you know, there were multiple reasons why I took the jab. And, of course, that's weaponized against me these days. But what do you mean weaponized? People think you... Because I took the jab that proves that I'm controlled opposition. Didn't you know that? Self-evish.

Here's my thoughts on it. Not just on, you know, the trucker convoy from the West was led by this guy named Chris Barber, beautiful human being. He's a giant of a man. And he was vaxed. And I saw him on stage not that long ago. And he said, you know, I'm going to be honest. I wore a mask everywhere I went because I just didn't want to, I just didn't want to make

somebody else's life, you know, miserable because of my, you know, my thoughts, beliefs, whoever. He's the guy who led the freedom combo. But to the point, um, because I was able to travel, I put in over 400,000 miles last year on commercial air, uh, plus a bit on privates. And, um, uh, what I saw was that the same strategies. For instance, the U.S. government spent over 10 billion in all of these propaganda efforts that include, um, uh, what I saw was that the same strategies. For instance, the U.S. government spent over 10 billion in all of these propaganda efforts that included buying Stephen Colbert and, you know, the promotions of Big Bird and his Mickey Willis nicely documents in Plandemic 3, the Broadway productions of people dancing around, you know, take the gab and you'll be free and all that stuff. While that was going out in the United States, it was also going on all across the Western world, probably also in Canada. certainly in Canada.

And I, so I was, you know, along these lines, I happened to be in Austria, not too long ago, hanging out with a bunch of dissidents. I don't know why that would be. And it turns out, as you know, in Austria and Vienna, the arts are really important there. You know, everybody, if you're not in at least three different type of performing groups, you know, a chamber orchestra and a choir and I don't know what else, you know, then you're a low life. Everybody is into music. All of the musicians, all of the major musicians and the influencers, just like happened here, got purchased right off the bat simultaneously

to reinforce the messaging of get the jab. If the depth and capability of the, you know, this coordinated propaganda campaign is like nothing the Western world has ever seen before. I couched in that because of the Soviet Union in China. But in terms of what's happened in the West previously, there's nothing like this. And what's fascinating about it is if you think through about the nation states that have been the most totalitarian, the most egregious, with a couple of exceptions, like, Austria came pretty close. But they're basically, think about it, UK, US, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia, all went

crazy, right? What ties them together in addition to all being former parts of the British Empire and English? Well, they're the Five Eyes. Five Eyes Alliance. Bingo. Which are the ones that deployed all this and were very active in Event 2. 201 in the planning. I argue that if you take a bunch of intelligence folk and people that are prone towards authoritarian solutions and you put them in a room and you tell them to do

pandemic planning and you fund them to do it and the funding happens to come from the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, what you're going to get coming out of that is a bunch of authoritarian solutions because that's how they're all wired. And then those authoritarian solutions are what got deployed on all of us, including all the propaganda and all that. And it was absolutely war-gamed out at Event 201 and the prior war games. And it's no surprise that that's what they deployed, what they failed to do. And this gets to Hana Art's point about the banality of evil. her point about you know this is in eichmann and jerusalem is the key book on the finality of evil

her point was that ikeman was not intrinsically evil he just didn't think he was focused on promoting his own career and doing what he was told and doing it as well as he possibly could and he just never thought about the intrinsic evil of what he did which was some of the most evil things perpetrated under the Nazi regime. But he was just kind of doing his civil servant kind of a job, you know, and trying to climb the ladder and get promoted. And, you know, if being nasty and ugly and, you know, egregiously harsh on imprisoned persons, including Jewish community people,

was what his supervisors wanted. then by God he'd give them tenfold of that, right? The banality of evil, Hanna Art attributes to the failure to think, the failure to reason, the failure to be informed. And I think what we've got here in the significant part is what Hanna pointed out, which is that we had a lot of bureaucrats that were basically, incompetent, not thinking about things, following along with the pre-cooked plan that had come out of the intelligence community and the military largely, which assumed that we had a highly lethal

virus, no medical countermeasures that was worth a Tinker's Dam, and a vaccine that was both safe and effective. Those were their input vectors. Those are the assumptions in event 201, and what they never did is something that any military commander, gets taught on like day one, which is the first time you encounter the enemy, you revise your battle plan. They never did that. They never said, oh, we better test what's actually going on here. Is this really that lethal? Is this functionally airborne Ebola? The answer was, hell no. But they were very glad to believe the scare and the fear porn that was coming out of Ferguson and the Imperial College and their modeling and all that kind of stuff because it fed

right into their preconceived notions. And by the way, they all had a conflict of interest. If you're in the outbreak business, you know, whether you're Pfizer or you're a government bureaucrat and trying to climb the bureaucratic ladder, if you're in the outbreak business, outbreaks are really good. And you want the worst possible outbreak because then you can have more power and more money and more resources. It totally scratches your it.

And that is a key part of what happened. In my mind, we've got three intersecting circles and people make jokes about bin diagrams. One is failure to think. The other is nefarious scheming. There's no question that nefarious scheming happened. It did. We had the most massive upward transfer of wealth in the history of the recorded Western

world, right? Just a massive, massive upward transfer of wealth. And a lot of that was manipulated. There's no question about it. The other one is complex systems. We have a world that is so complex and interlacement. This gets to the matrix, that emergent phenomena arise out of that. And at the intersection of complex systems and failure to think, we get arbitrary bureaucracy.

Well, that's Justin. Unthinking arbitrary bureaucracy is what is eating you alive in Canada. at the intersection of failure to think in nefarious scheming, you've got blowback, you've got unintended consequences. At the intersection of nefarious scheming and complex systems, you've got corruption. And in the middle of that whole thing, you've got the banality of evil. That's my model for what went on here,

is not that Klaus Schwab, I don't think, has the intellectual firepower to be. the puppet master. There may be somebody up there that is, but is it Bill Gates? I don't see that. Is it Tony Fauci? No, he was a part of the, he's a cog, but he's not the master. I think this was an emergent phenomenon of the interaction of multiple things all

at once, and it's a huge human tragedy. And I don't know how we avoid ever having that happen again, but the only way that we even have a tiny chance of avoiding it is if people like your office. audience here, get proper pissed off and decide to do something about it. Proper pissed off. I enjoy that. You know, I'm watching time, Robert. I don't want to keep you too long. Do we have a few more minutes, or is it time to let you go on with your day? Your call, we probably should wrap up. If no other reason, then we don't want to make a four-hour podcast. Yeah, that's, you know, it's funny. I do enjoy a good conversation when I get

wrapped into it. I lose track of all time. And I know that's the listener as well. Either way, it's been, it's been really thought-provoking to have you on. And it hasn't, you know, disappointed me in one at all. So I guess I'll just wrap up with this thought. It's the way we always end a podcast here. It's the crude master final question. It's he's words. He said, if you're going to stand behind a cause, then stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Robert stands behind? Oh, I'm trying, I've been trying really hard to keep the children from being jabbed. That's the hill that I chose.

Another one is advocating and fighting for free speech. And the third one is, I'm really, I am proper pissed off at how the vaccine injured and dead had been treated and gaslit. they must be recognized and they somehow we have got to treat them with respect and we have to find some way to heal them and those are those are my three top choices is don't jab the kiki is the Hawaiian phrase don't jab the kids free speech and recognizing the rights and the need of compensating and healing those that have been damaged by these public health policies. If you don't mind, can I ask just, I don't know if this is for a completely different conversation,

but it's funny, and I trust in coincidences, I guess. And so you bring up the vaccine injured. You'd mention yourself your vaccine injured. I've been getting, I just had an email from a lady worried about her daughter. And then it wasn't only a few days prior to that. There was another one. And then a few days prior to that, there was another one, all looking for answers. All looking for ways if they've had, you know, whether it's Pfizer-Moderna or whatever, ways to help their body, whether there is protocols, etc.

like that. Yeah, the detox by question. So I've just finished, I've just completed the FLCCC Palmeric protocol for recovery. And it involves drug combinations, steroids, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, other agents. And increasingly people are supplementing that with something called natokinase. It's a protease that you can buy that's orally bioavailable. that seems to have good activity against the hyper cross-linked blood clots that are triggered by spike protein. One of the things about ivermectin is it appears to displace spike for many of its binding sites so that it can be cleared. So all I can say is an N of 1. This is not a medical recommendation.

Go to your own physician. But in my case, I've completed this protocol and I have much more energy and stamina. as validated by my wife and don't ask questions. It's funny, you know, that's one way to end podcast, but you mentioned go to your own doctor. One of the things here in Canada that is everyone's screaming at me is none of the doctors will, and once again,

I don't want to put a blank. I am so intimately familiar with that. I have Canadian physician friends that I can't even name in public that have been at the forefront of early treatment and other things, and they are scared silly. What your government has done is obscene. Okay, well, I appreciate you doing this and giving me some time, Robert. Once again, man, I might as well just coin this.

You know, I don't know, I say this at the end of every podcast now for like three months. So, Mano's will say it again. You know, I don't know where our paths go from here. I certainly hope they cross again because it's been an interesting. interesting hour and 30 minutes, hour and 40 minutes. And I look forward to no reading. And I wish you all the best. I hope, you know, wherever your travels take you,

safety is at the utmost importance. And getting to the brass tax of some of this things. And hopefully getting some people properly pissed off would be in there as well. Either way, Robert, I appreciate you hopping on and doing this. Well, thanks, Sean. And thanks for taking the time and having the interest.