Shaun Newman Podcast - #400 - Tamara Lich

Episode Date: March 17, 2023

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one of the leaders of the freedom convoy now a political prisoner I'm talking about Tamara Leach so buckle up here we go this is Tamara Leach and you are listening to the Sean Newman podcast

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today I'm joined by Tamara Leach so ma'am thanks for doing this thank you so much for having me long overdue long overdue isn't it yeah I, we, for the listener, we're sitting in Emmington, you know, we got, for me, I have, SMP presents coming up, which will be tomorrow to the listener, because they'll listen to this

Friday. We're sitting here Thursday night. And, uh, I don't know, I feel honored, but it's, it's strange because obviously we saw each other in Ottawa and that's, you know, where I think the trust comes from is the early days of being in Ottawa and kind of like running into each other over and over and over again. So it's either way, super cool for you to be here. Thank you. Well, I mean, I was a fan of yours before I met you. That's why I was sort of fan girling over you in Ottawa. Really? Yeah. I tell this often. I mean, when we got there, of course, and the doctors were there and there was all these journalists there that I'd followed all through the whole pandemic. And, you know, most girls like hot rock stars or guitar players or actors. And I'm,

Totally like fan-girling over these doctors and journalists. Well, I fan-boid over walking in. I chuckled. The first day I got to the Ark Hotel, I walked in and standing in the lobby was Hodkinson, Hodgkinson. Paul Alexander. Paul Alexander. There was... Francis Christian.

Eric Payne. And I was like, hey, I've interviewed, like, all of you. I like know all of you. And I walked around and shook hands and whatever. And then, of course, Dan Bulford showed up either that night or the next night. And it was kind of like this everybody got together moment, which I think a lot of us have been kind of hoping would have happened. I don't think we drew up. Oh, I certainly didn't draw up that, especially all at the same hotel that I was going to stay at, you know.

And it was kind of fateful almost, you know, because I'd had that hotel room bought for me by a guy from Lloyd Minster who said, you know, I don't know, I can't even remember how it was, but he's like, I got a room for you. So just come to this place. And I was just, you know, like, how does that all make sense? It doesn't make sense. That's right. But that was the way that the whole thing went, right? It just, things just happened naturally and organically and, and everybody came together that needed to be brought together.

You know what I mean? Kind of. Yeah. Like, it was very, it's hard to explain to people that weren't there. And honestly, even being there, I'm like, I don't even know if I fully. understand the you know the circumstances that let us all there um now i'm going to say this and i already know that 99.9% of my listeners know exactly who you are but as i told uh dr robert malone just a few days ago um maybe there's a couple people who don't know who you are so i'm curious

in tamara's words who is tamara i am just a girl that was raised on the prayer I grew up in Saskatchewan, born and raised, moved to Medicine Hadd in the late 90s when there was an Alberta advantage. And then I also spent some time in Manitoba a couple times too. So I spent a lot of time on the prairies. I grew up in a home where we constantly were taking in strangers and, you know, my parents would pick up hitchhikers and bring them home and we'd feed them. dad would give them money or, you know, we'd have strangers on our couch in the morning, you know, I was just raised in a home where you helped people that needed help. And, yeah, so I moved to Alberta, got into oil and gas, and that was primarily my, most of what I did for my career

to date. And yeah, I've got three kids and four grandkids, and I got involved, obviously. I want to know what part of Saskatchewan? I'm curious. You know, I joke with twos about this all the time. It's like Saskatchewan has taken over the world. Like it kind of figuratively, obviously, but like it seems like everybody has roots to Saskatchewan. We are a weed or something that just in the best sense that just seems to have spread. And everybody has ties back to Saskatchewan.

I find it very, I don't know, curious maybe. But I guess I'm interested where you grew up in. Saskatchewan. You know, Elon Musk has ties to Saskatchewan for Pete's sake. Yeah, I was, we lived all over. My dad bought grain for the wheat pool when I was young, so we moved quite often. So, but my parents are from Kornak, Saskatchewan. They were born and raised there. And so I've lived in Kornak, Alida, Shaunavan, Frontier, East End, Simi, dollared, like. If that is in Saskatchewan, I don't know what is, you know, it is. Yeah, it's the flat, no tree part. a Saskatchewan though, not the gorgeous, you know, hills and lakes and trees part.

It's funny, because, you know, I'm born and certainly from a farm, but, you know, we come from Hillmont and they're, you know, I always, you know, growing up, somebody's like, well, where are you from? And I'm like, well, you're not going to know, I'll say Lloyd Minster. And they're like, well, no, no, where were you from? And then you say Hillman and everyone's like, yeah, I didn't know, well, that's right. Because, you know, half the time it isn't even on the bloody map, let alone, you know. But funny story. Jim Patterson, Patterson signs, very. successful. I got to go interview him. This is, geez, the summer of 2020, I think. Has it been

that long? I suppose it has. And he has, the reason I got let through the doors, I'm told, by his assistant is because I told him I was from Saskatchew. As soon as I heard that, they welcomed me in. And he, after we did our interview, he was like just so proud to show me everything. He was about 91, I think, at the time. I haven't, I assume he's still alive, and I feel sorry for even saying that because I'm pretty sure he's still with us. But he was just proud to show him all these things of his life. And he had this giant map of Saskatchewan. He's like, where are you from? And I'm like, oh, it probably isn't on there. And then I started looking. I'm like, holy crap, that's where I'm from. Right there. Helmand is on this map and this, you know, very successful

businessman. And then he goes in, that's where I'm from. And we were, you know, like, I don't know, like three inches apart? Three inches apart. You know, and in Saskatchewan, that's pretty darn close. That's pretty darn close. Yeah. Cool. Well, I'm curious. Okay. How does, you know, I feel I'm a pretty simple, plain Jane guy, you know, and I found my way to Ottawa. How does Tamara get involved in this, started with this? I didn't even know, like, where's the origin story? How does this begin? Yeah, it's crazy. Well, I guess for me, I started paying attention to politics. before Stephen Harper was elected. And I mean, because until then, you know, my eyes would glaze over. I didn't care, didn't want to know.

It was boring. And it was really the sponsorship scandal that really opened my eyes to what was going on. Fill me in. It was John Critchin's government there when they were paying. It was just, I hate to say typical, but it's true. But typical. It was just your typical political scams, you know, money and stuff anyways.

So that kind of really opened my eyes to things that were going on. So I followed it through the media, news media, you know, for the next few years. And then I just, I started getting, as I came back to Alberta and I got back into the oil patch and I started seeing what, you know, the government, the Bill C-69 and Bill C-48 and that type of legislation that was really affecting people that I knew, you know, like, I, I was. I said in my testimony at the POEC, I mean, I remember a couple years ago, you know, grown men bringing me their resumes because I just got laid off two weeks before Christmas, like crying, you know, you know, over this stuff.

And I thought, well, this doesn't make any sense. I mean, Canada has the most environmentally friendly and energy efficient oil and gas industries in the world. Like, we should be screaming it from the rooftops. And so I got involved with a lot of, local group because finally I just had enough and I said I got to do something I have to help here if I can and there was a local group of I guess activists for lack of a better word that were having rallies every weekend and and they were modeling themselves at that time after the yellow vest movement in France and so I got involved met some really great people and we went and did these

rallies every Saturday with our signs on the side of the road by Tim Hortons and medicine had and I mean we got a little bit of attention but, you know, after a while, of course, that just kind of went away and I went back to living my life. And when Trudeau won the 2019 election, I became a part of Wexit. You probably remember the whole. Oh, yeah. I went in, oh, who is the guy who. Peter Downing.

Sorry, yes. Yeah, I went and watched him speak in Lloyd. Yeah. Yeah, I think. 2019, you know, for a lot of people, I remember watching that election. First election, maybe, folks that I've ever watched start to finish. And I've talked an awful lot about me just living under a rock or maybe not be in the right age or maybe, you know, certainly there's a lot of things that happened since, like, Trudeau getting in times in almost perfectly with us having our first child.

And I think as soon as you have kids, you start thinking differently about the world. and you know now you have someone to protect and think for and try and anyways what's the different things 2019 I was sitting on the coach and I couldn't believe it

like it just and he and he's gonna win and I and then you saw the anger come from Western Canada and so I went and I went and listened to him talk in Lloyd and I just knew at that time

that wasn't it like I and maybe that was the wrong thought I don't know but obviously it didn't end up up growing into anything more. And maybe now we're finding out how we won that election. I mean, because I was both the last, the last ones, that both of them, I was just stunned,

because it's just been scandal after scandal after scandal. And I'm thinking, who is voting for this man? Yeah. Like, how can you watch this kind of behave? I mean, I think they're ethical issues of like gone off the charts. They're probably unprecedented. Well, and everything he stood for. for, you know, or says he stands for, you know, women, minorities, First Nations, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I mean, I don't need to list them off. Well, I mean, you got Trudy Wilson-Raybold. Yeah. You got the first National Reconciliation Day instead of, you know, whether you were for or against the day, put that to the side. Put yourself in that position. What would you be doing? I would assume I'd be in Ottawa with a bunch of. of the chiefs or something along that lines showing having a big ceremony and like I don't even

know bringing people together is in my brain instead he's in Defino and you're just and I'm just like well you've just in my brain I'm like good you've just pissed off the entire First Nations culture like every person in that group should be just absolutely want to appalled appalled That was so disrespectful, in my opinion. I couldn't believe it either. And, you know, it's funny that you say that because the clan mothers, I don't know if you ever met the clan mothers when you were in Ottawa with us, but there was two that I was with often, and Nolene and Sandra.

And when Nolene did her witness statement for the public inquiry, like she said right in it, she's 60, late 50s, early 60s, a Dene clan mother from the Yellowknife. and she said that the convoy in Ottawa was the closest thing to an actual reconciliation that she's witnessed in her lifetime, which is pretty profound. Well, I don't need to tell you this. This is probably more for just the listener, but Ottawa was, like, it didn't matter if your faith,

your color, your creed, your social, ecionomic status, anything. I've never seen anything so like just beautiful in the fact to how people were treating each other, how they were looking out from one another, how they were just like, I don't know, I've said this lots. It's the first time I've ever fed the homeless. I just, and in saying that, a guy should be doing that more, right? But it took Ottawa to do that. And then watch them talk about how it was, you know, white supremacy and all these different things. And I'm like, have you been like, like, you keep talking that.

that way, how will you come down and see what's going on here, right? I learned more history. Do you remember all the flags? There was, um, A, you know, I was, I told Quebec here, like, you know, Quebec, I still remember being out on, uh, Parliament Hill when Quebec showed up the first night, showed up in about one in the morning, all the trucks came in and they just played their horn, like it was magnificent. Uh, one of those memories I will never forget. And, uh, I was never more proud to see like the Quebec flag come in and be side by side with all. because we were told, you know, and we talked about this lots. You're supposed to hate each other.

That's right. So that fell away right away. And then there was a bunch of what I learned was different First Nations flags. And I'd never, you know, now, this might be Sean not reading his history. That's fair enough. But then, you know, everybody started talking about all these things. Well, why are you carrying that flag? You know, everybody focused on the, the Nazi flag.

And what was the other one? Confederate flag. I didn't see. any of those. The crazy thing is, is anyone on the ground? Certainly, it was there. I'm not saying it wasn't. We've all heard the story of, you know, and certainly how they tried to portray

it. But the amount of flags that were there, like, you saw all these different flags, and if you asked the stories on them, it was all these, like, beautiful stories of First Nations supposed to be working in harmony with either the French or the English way back

when. Like, that was, it was a history lesson. You walked out, you saw all these different people that were told we're supposed to hate. A, that wasn't there. That's right. And then, two, it was a history lesson for me with all the different flags and what they meant and were supposed to mean that nobody knew about. And you're like, ah, anyways. Well, yeah, and that was the great thing about it. I mean, like you just said, you just nailed it. And I've said that all along, too. It didn't matter what color you were, what God you worshipped, what part of the country you lived in. You know, I've told the story a million times, but, you know, we're coming through

Winnipeg on our way to Ottawa and you know there's native drummers like in their full regalia banging their drums on the side of the highway and there's Sikh men standing behind or beside them and nuns in full habits and then these hatter-right ladies with signs and their little kids and that's when that really hit me because I was like look at all this diversity and inclusion yeah that's actually really happening nobody cared who you were or like not who you were but where you came from or what you did for a living, you know, it was the biggest show of unity and the Canadian spirit that I've ever seen, maybe since Terry Fox. I see, I don't remember Terry Fox.

Well, I do remember Terry Fox. So I always, well, I always point out it was like the Sydney Crosby goal in Vancouver, times like, I don't even, I don't even know. For Canadians, I just say, imagine your specific team won the Stanley Cup, all of them at the same time, on the same day, in the same year, and everybody went out and celebrated. Except the difference is, is being on that highway and seeing the level of desperation in people. Like, you've got to stay. You got to stay there and you're going to make sure that when you come back, this is all gone. And people are weeping and people are like giving you the amount of, you know, I interviewed somebody before I left.

And they were talking about how they couldn't store any more food in their vehicle. They were just like, you just got to come and see it. Like, you can't understand how much food is in here. And I just, I keep telling them, like, I got no more. But you feel bad for not taking it. So you just keep taking it and putting it on the floor and whatever. And certainly nobody was exaggerating. It was everybody, the level of desperation.

Like, can you imagine sitting out in minus 40 weather on the side of a highway with a bonfire and just losing your absolute. crap in excitement as this convoy that's four hours late because instead of going at 80 kilometers an hour, it's doing like 22 kilometers an hour at the best of times, right? Like I just, I don't even someday my kids will be older and I'll try and explain it to them. I don't even know how to, because like the CBC should have been there the entire way. It should have rode shotgun the entire time and just film the entire thing. It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen come out of Canada. Agreed.

And in our lead, anyways, I'm. I agree. And yeah, you're right. I mean, people would be like, don't, don't come back. You stay there till these mandates are gone. And, you know, we, you know, stay there until you're bringing our freedoms back. And, you know, it was, I spoke a lot about that, too. I mean, the stories that that I've heard, I'm sure that you've heard and everybody on that convoy heard are heartbreaking.

But they're all, they also show that a resilience. like Canadians are a special people. Well, I think even more so now than I did, you know, a year and a half ago. But I mean, we naturally want to help people and we naturally want to be together and celebrate who we are. And we should be. I mean, this is one of the things that I find so frustrating about the last, let's say, eight years is that, you know, we've been constantly been told by our leader that we should

feel ashamed that we should be apologizing for things that we had nothing to do with. You know, I would love to see him come out one day and just celebrate Canada and Canadians and the people that are in it instead of trying to pick and poke and pull people apart from my perspective, you know. But, I mean, even the Quebecers, like you said, I mean, that was my first big epiphany before we even left is communicating with them and, you know, helping them organize. because we had the road captains, all the road captains from, you know, all the provinces, and I had, like, messenger chats with all of them, you know, and when the Quebecers came on board,

I was blown away, totally blown away. And exactly like you said, because I thought, this has all been a goddamn lie. They're just like us, just the same, you know. But that's not what we hear out here through the media. Yeah, that's, it's, it's, um, it's, it's, um, it's probably. Probably in, I assume, the journey you've had, which is beyond unique, I assume one of the things that has to sting the most is how the media has portrayed you, how, you know, I don't even know. I don't even know. Do they, did they ask to have you on? Do would you oblige to have, you know, would you go? I don't know. Well, we decided very early on, obviously I recognize, I saw how fast this was growing. And I was like, well, we need a finance committee.

We need a social media committee. We need a media committee, like a, you know, and us, you know. And we decided kind of early on that we were going to be very choosy about the media that we dealt with. Because they have not respected us by telling the truth for years. I don't know when it started. I'll tell you when I noticed it. Because I was that woman that got up every morning, made her coffee, sat down, watched the news, the Canadian news. loops. I'd watch the first loop and then I'd start getting ready and listen to them, you know.

And I listened and I watched the news every, every day. And it was the 2016 election between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. When I started really paying attention to the, I think you still call them anchors, I don't even know. The anchor people, I would watch their tone, their facial expressions when they would be talking about Clinton and then they would change. when they'd start talking about Trump, almost get the smarmy look on their face, that their tones would change, the descriptors that they would use would change.

And I thought, what's happening here? Like, you're not supposed to be there giving me your opinion. You're just supposed to be telling me the facts. And I watched this progress through that whole time period, and it just got worse and worse and worse. And so, I mean, they lost a lot of our trust, I think, a lot of the trust of a lot of people so we were quite choosy about who we were

going to talk to when we got there. So I remember Benjamin had set up the first press conference and we didn't invite any like CTV, CBC Global. We had Andrew and Rupa and I think Kean Bexty was there and Alexa

from Rebel News was there. You know we had different independent journalists and kind of as a you know we're on to you we see what you guys are doing and we're not going to play into it. And if I've got one big lesson in all of this, it's been dealing with Glenn McGregor from CTV News.

That guy cracks me up. He's something. What about him? Well, I just mean his tactics. Oh, sorry, so go back to your question. Yeah, there was a lot of media, different media reaching out to me through email and text, but I got so busy that I couldn't even answer them. but I know CBC has reached out to me

and CTV for sure had reached out to me. I guess the behavior that I've seen from Glenn McGregor was quite disgusting to me. And just one example was my last bail hearing when I was released from jail in the summer. And of course I've got friends there to help, you know, help me get out and get me to this vehicle. and because I never knew who was going to be anti-protesters out there or whatever.

And so my friend brings the car to the front, and we'd been in these bail hearings for two days, because I don't have normal bail hearings. What do you mean? I don't have normal, like, half a day bail hearings. Mine usually take two full days for some reason. Okay. And Glenn McGregor had been in these hearings for two days, limping,

because I think he had a ball injury or something, I don't know, limping on his one bad leg. And my friend said he went and got the car to get it. And all he could see when I was coming out was a blue streak running across the parking lot. It was Glenn. Anyways, we come out of the courtroom. And if you see the video, you can kind of see me, you know, kind of move to the side because there was a commotion over here. And it was Glenn McGregor running in and elbowing his way through people trying to get him and his camera in to shove a microphone in front of my face.

like it was no excuse me sir ma'am it was literally just uh somebody i think somebody calls him punchy mcgriger now i can't remember it was derrick smith i don't know what like just obnoxious and rude and any dealings that i had with him in some of the bigger press conferences that we did in ottawa the first one that we did at the marriott i don't know if you were you were probably there You were still in Ottawa then anyways. Well, we've had this chat about what Sean does. So, you know, there's foggy parts for sure. And no, I had to catch up.

When I got home, I had to like, you know, took my time. But then I just slowly started watching some of it again to kind of catch up on what I'd missed because there was a good chunk that I hadn't paid attention to. I had real hard time for about a month after even catching up to speak. on what it went on you know one of the tough days you know I've talked to you about how what my thoughts on Chris Barber is and certainly if people have listened to this they know that I think very highly of them and seeing him get arrested I didn't believe it at first I'm like that that isn't like why are no no and then you know more

came out more came on and certainly they'd arrested him and I was like and he is the farthest thing from a criminal well I mean or even a bad human being I mean he's typical great human being he'll he'll call out everything he's done wrong and he's trying to learn from it, right? Isn't that what we want to lead us? That's the whole point of living your life, in my opinion, right? Yeah. I know, and his testimony at the POEC, you know, he's the first person to get up and own that,

you know, maybe he hasn't always had PC points of view, right? Maybe he has had some things that people might question, but that whole experience changed him. I mean, how could it not? How could it not? Right? It changed all of us, I think. Well, you know, for the listener who never went, they probably get tired of hearing, I don't know, actually, I've never asked.

It's just, it's hard to, I mean, you go and experience something like that. You're never, like, like, how do you come out of that knot seeing the world different? Right. You don't have to go spiritual or nothing. You just go, you literally touch that and seeing, you know, the first day on that street and how much snow was there and how hard. it was slogging and then the shovels came out when the wheelchair came and nobody anyways and right we all know the story but I remember walking the street and being like what is like this it was easier to walk on the street the street was almost

clear sidewalk you know you know I'm not I won't put words in anyone's mouth the the snow on the sidewalk was insane it was like fresh powder it was difficult to walk I think that that paints a good image for most people like it was tough and then you know the wheelchair and they're like we can't get oh and And all of a sudden, the shovel came out. And then from that point on, that sidewalk was like spotless. Well, that's because the guys went and bought a whole bunch of shovels, right? Yeah.

So you participate in that, you come away from it. And if that's all you participate in. For the rest of the time, that's what you're going to remember. Like, who does that? Nobody? I've never seen that done in my life. Like, I've never even heard anything like that. You don't go to...

It was the cleanest city. It was the safest city. We were shoveling snow and salting the ice and feeding the homeless. I remember garbage being an issue at one point. And then somebody came with all the garbage bags and started taking away all the garbage. And then there was like a garbage bag like every 10 feet. Like I've never seen that many. You're like, oh, garbage.

Oh, great. Or I could put it over. There's just garbage bags everywhere. So there was just the level of that. I remember the Terry Fox monument. and there was people watching all day after, you know, the incident. And so people were standing guard. And I remember a couple saying, you know, I just got to go home.

And I'm like, I'll go stand guard, not a big deal. And so I was walking down there the one night to go like take over, shift or whatever. And I got down there. And there was like, no less than 15 people just standing around. Oh, what's going on? Oh, we all just came down now. I'm like, oh, I'm not, what the heck am I doing? I'm going to go back home now.

I'm going to go grab a nap or whatever, right? Like that just spread. It was such a sense of community. That's, you know, it was a beautiful, beautiful community and people just looking out for each other. And it was always very much see a need, fill a need, you know. Like if people saw something that needed to be done, like picking up garbage, they would just pick up garbage. Or if they saw snow that needed to be shoveled, they would just shovel snow. Like nobody was telling anybody what to do.

You know what I mean? Like that. And that's why it was. beautiful. There was nobody saying, you guys go get shovels and go shovel Metcalf, right? People just saw that and did it because they knew that it needed to be done. I was standing out, um, uh, sitting with a guy in a half time. This is the one, I don't know what night this is, but it's like 9.30 at night and I'm sitting there and I'm talking to him and we're just having a friendly conversation and certainly anyone who crossed my path in that,

time I just talked to everybody because I'd early on been told and Tifa was everywhere and so I was just like I'm not that's a terrible thing to tell me because that's like fear through the roof and I'm like I didn't come here to be fear you know so I just started talking everybody so I you know sitting you know and there was a guy sitting in his half ton all by himself so I just walked up and we started talking and here was this they were there was there was there was four of them and I'm like are you seeing this and he's like what I'm like look at them and we just people watched there's four people walking in a in a circle of essentially the block um which they were on um you know by that time everybody was worried about nails in front of tires and people doing things like that but what they

were also doing was they were scanning for garbage and it was like you could just they'd take about five steps and they'd look and then they'd grab me and they keep it like this is wild this is in the middle of ottawa people are walking in a circle at 930 at night picking up garbage like think about that and we're like yeah this is wild like you know i yeah i don't you know i don't I can, you have this on steroids. I just laugh. Like, when you talk about how Ottawa changes, it's like, because you saw things there that I've never, ever seen in my life.

And I don't even know how to recreate it. Yeah, that's right. Well, how can you? Can it be recreated? I don't think so. Not the convoy, but what was experienced in the convoy. The sense of community and the unity. I believe so, because I think fundamentally that's who most of Canadians are.

I really do. And I mean, it's supposed to happen on Canada Day, you know, in a perfect world. Canada Day has always been one of my most favorite holidays, always, until, of course, the last few years. And I actually just stopped. I didn't go to fireworks anymore and nothing. And it was a crying shame. I was so excited for Canada Day again this year, finally, and I spent it in jail. instead. Let's talk about jail. You know, one of the, how many days was it? It was 18 the first stint?

Yeah. 30, roughly the second. I believe it's 48 total. 48 total. Yeah. In this time frame, everybody knows you're sitting there, but nobody has any idea. Like, you know, honestly, like, this is, this is in the last, what has been about month, you did Trishwood, you've done Rupa. I saw you did Western Standard. I feel honored to be in that little grouping, you know. And, but before that, I haven't heard Jack Squad from him. And, you know, there were some stories while you're in prison.

They rush across the headlines. And then people are firing texts everywhere. No, Tamara's fine. Like, you know. Give the audience. Give me. I mean, did you ever think you were getting out? Like, I don't think, like, did you think you were going for that long?

I certainly didn't I mean we of course you know having some former or ex-law enforcement people that were involved you know in the organization or became involved in the organization typically

what happens is we knew that it was possible I mean it's always possible that we could get arrested hell it was possible that we could be shot I remember telling that to Chris Barber like on the way to Ottawa I said we don't know what we're walking in

to here. Like we don't know if we're going to get arrested. We don't know if we're going to get shot. Like, you know, we just had no idea what to expect as we got closer to Ottawa. So anyways, typically what happens is, you know, you're arrested if it's not like a serious,

like a firearms charge or murder. Well, even murderers, I guess, get out right away. You typically, they book you a bail hearing right away and they get you out. You'll sign, you know, you're own recognizance or whatever and off you go. And so, of course, that was a Thursday that we were both arrested.

Chris got his bail hearing the next day, or was it Saturday? Anyway, so he was released and sent on his way home. And then they'd booked the remainder of my hearing for the Tuesday after the long weekend. So the same justice, or judge, I can't remember, bourgeois, had the entire weekend to see this massive military style take down. So when she came in and delivered her decision on that Tuesday, I was stunned. I was really,

I was literally stunned. I mean, she tore up one side of me and down the other. She was talking about how I was too dangerous to be let back out in her community. Like she said my community about 12 times, I think, she's not, you know, she's supposed to be a judge and she's not supposed to be biased. When you start saying stuff like that, your bias is showing.

Anyways, yeah, so she remanded me in custody and I was completely shocked. I had no idea at that point what to expect or, I mean, I certainly didn't think I was going to be in there for 18 days the first time. Is there a point in the 18 days where you're like, am I ever getting out of this thing? because you know I've heard you talk and I forgive me if I'm remembering this wrong but you know like I feel like you've said at some point like you know if they take me for not 18 but if they take me for the next year like I'm I'm ready I can handle this totally ready you know but 18 days is kind of a lifetime like to not know when you're you know oh and here's the light at the end of the tunnel. You're going to be out this day and don't worry about it. We'll get you out and whatever else.

Well, I think the worst part in that scenario is that you never know. I mean, you just book a hearing and then a few days later you get a decision. So, and because the court system is, is completely a disaster right now. I mean, you don't get in to see a judge. You don't get before a judge in a timely fashion. I mean, and a prime example is, you know, I was arrested on February 17th of 2022. My trial is hopefully going to start on September 5th of 2023. That's a year and a half. You know, I haven't even been found guilty and, you know, and I'm living under these crazy conditions. And I haven't been found guilty of a crime. So I mean, the whole thing is, it's craziness. And I certainly never expected it to be that long. And I think that's the thing

you don't ever have like, okay, on this day, I'm going home. Because you just never know. I mean, you never know what the judge's decision is going to be. You know, the last day, a prime example, the last, my last hearing in the summer, I remember, like, not knowing, I didn't know if he was going to release me. I didn't know what was going on. Right at the end there when he said, I don't know if you watched my last hearing at all, but anyways he heard the submissions the judge says I'll be back in 15 minutes and I was like

oh my god I think I'm getting out today and the bailiff that took me out into the cell in the hallway she was like you're going home today and I said no and I kind of started shaking because I didn't want to get my hopes up right because I'm very much I always try to be a realist I don't want to I don't want to be disappointed and and yeah so that that like probably three minutes that it took him to read his decision felt like three hours because I still, until they took off my handcuffs and my shackles and let me out of the prisoner's box didn't believe that it was going to happen. I was talking with my father about this. When they put shackles on your legs, were you like, really? Do you just like, like, really, guys? Do we really need shackles? I'm being held on, what,

mischief. Yeah. Alleged. Alleged? Mischiff? Mischiff, folks. Yeah, that's right. Like this, bizarre old land.

Totally. I never seen anything like it. Yeah, and I didn't know what to expect. But, you know, I did that video the night before, and I was totally at peace with it. I just thought everything until that point that happened was supposed to happen. And, I mean, so many things were exposed. that period of time and so when I was arrested I mean of course I had a little bit of anxiety about the unknown because I've never been through this process before but I didn't feel

like afraid or afraid for my life I did have a moment in there the first time where I was like I could see how I could be Epstein in here I mean I was in solitary confinement and a couple of officers come in that said that they dealt with high profile cases and they wanted to know if I was worried about my safety and then they kind of explained to me how things go in jail if you if the girls don't like you and excuse me and and then they said are you worried and I said well I kind of am now I mean I felt fine before you guys hauled me into this room and told me this terrible stuff but but did I just made I just thought you know what there's obviously more work to be done he's not he's not finished with me yet so you know I can camp

Did you, you mentioned solitary confinement. Did they do that? Was that like one day, all the days? It was the first week at least for sure that I was arrested in the winter. And I guess it was probably their COVID policy, right, because we had to be separated or quarantined for 14 days. So they had me downstairs in the dungeon. It was a literal dungeon for at least five, five or six days.

and then they moved me up to cell block. And there was actually, ironically, another girl named Tamara was in the cell in solitary confinement beside me downstairs. And so because we'd come in, I guess, at the same time, they put both of us in the same cell block upstairs. Two tamaras, who would have known? That's kind of an odd. And then when I was in jail in the same place in the summer,

there was another tamera in there. So it's funny because I never hear that name very often. so to have three of us in jails was quite humorous. You know, it's funny to think they'd put you in solitary for COVID, but that was the world we were in back then. I mean, it's an insane thought, but that was where we were at back then. And I had never considered that before,

because I don't live in that world, but I spent two days with a rag cleaning graffiti off my walls because it's jail. There's some nasty stuff on the walls. And I thought, if I need to be here, I need to make this my space. And I need to be comfortable in my space. So I went to work and I started scrubbing all this graffiti off, except for the nice stuff.

And one of the things that was on the wall, when it really hit me that COVID affected these people too, prisoners, it was heartbreaking. It was something to the effect of the first 14, days are the hardest, you know, you're going to get through this kind of like, hang on, hang in there, brighter days are coming. And I remember reading that and I got teary-eyed because I, I'd never even thought of it from their perspective before. I mean, you have no control over that, at least at home and medicine hat, we're locked down and in our homes, but I have my husband there or my children,

right? When you're in jail, you don't even have that. You don't have any control. You don't have any control. They just separate you and you get stuck all by yourself for two weeks, minimum 14 days. No one to talk to. No TV. I mean, I think it took them four or five days to even get me a book. I was begging for a book. I'll take a Bible. I will take anything you have, you know, because it's long days. When was the first book they gave you? I did end up getting a Bible. The first book, I think it was a fiction book about Napoleon. It was kind of weird, the books that I ended up reading in jail, because they all had something relevant to my situation.

I read like an 800-page book on Mary Queen of Scots when I was in the last time. And I say that's what jinxed me in my first bail hearing in the summer, because I got this book and I was Mary Queen of Scots. so I really wanted to read this biography. And I thought I shouldn't start this book because I have a hearing in like two days. And so there's no point. And so I think I jinxed myself by starting it

because I had to stay there until I finished it. And I did. You know, if that isn't glass half full, I don't know what is. 18 days followed by 30. I want to, you talk about cleaning the space. And you kept the positive message. Was there anything, you mentioned the 14 days, which I think is really good for people to hear.

Was there anything else on the walls that caught you by surprise? You're like, well, that's a beautiful message. There was another one. I can't remember exactly what it said, but it had something to do with this lady that, I think she had lost her job or something. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was moving too. and then there was a couple of like hearts that were written

that they'd been drawn on. So I left those up and I just got rid of everything else. You know, it must have been you know, sticking with being in jail. Like, I mean, you get out, you come back to Alberta.

What were the stipulations you had on you? Or still have on you? What are, What are, I was banned from Ottawa. I was banned from Ontario. You're not allowed in Ontario. Well, I am now because we did have that changed. Okay.

But isn't that hilarious, though? Like, how are you banned in Ontario? Anyways, um, uh, non-contact orders with like Chris and Pat and Benjamin, Tom Marazzo. Um, and then some people that I don't even know. Like, there's people on my non-con that I've, never even met. I have no idea who they are, but apparently I'm not supposed to talk to them. So that makes that easy. I'm not allowed to organize, promote protests or rallies of any kinds, especially surrounding COVID-19 mandates. Obviously, I can't organize a convoy or anything

like that. Now my conditions have been changed that I can be in Ottawa, but I am not allowed in the red zone downtown. So I think that's that. I'm sure I'm missing some. But they're just really crazy conditions, especially for someone that's never had a, like I've never been arrested. I have no criminal record.

Not on social media. No, yeah, sorry, that's the big, big one. Yeah, I'm not allowed to log into social media, post to social media, or ask anybody to post onto social media on my behalf, or indicate my approval. I don't know. It's bizarre.

Has that been, I always think that you, Chris, Tom, all these different people were like, best of friends and, you know, but the truth of the story, that probably is not at all, I mean, at least before. Right, yeah, we didn't even know each other before, right?

The fact that you can't just have like a evening sasperilla, sit across from somebody and just, I don't know, even just like share some stories about, like, man, that was, that was, that was, that was, deep brief. Thank you. And deep brief. And, you know, in the military, I remember Tom Marazo talking about this. Like, when they get deployed and their tours over, they don't just don't get on a plane and go home to their families. They go to an island. I think he said it was Cyprus, but I'm not exactly sure.

where they're all there with their people for a month so that they can basically have their holy cow what just happened and then obviously the trauma and stuff that comes with it you know like they get to work through that together because you know I mean unless you were there you'll never fully understand what it was like and in our case like we were in even different circumstances because we were in the thick of it and and well we we were all in the sick of it, but we were under more pressure, I think, because we were core or original, you know, organizers, volunteers. And that's been taken away from us.

Like, you know, we've never had a chance to just all sit down in a room together unless we have lawyers present where we can just have those conversations. And, you know, I can't just call up Chris and, you know, and see if he's having a good day or how he's managing or Tom Arazo, you know. And in our situation, I mean, there's people that I met a year ago that mean more to me and I trust more than people I've known my whole life. Like, we went there as strangers, but we left there as a family. And it is challenging, and I find that challenging, that we can't, you know, I can't call

Danny and just see how he's doing or, you know, how his life is going. You know, this has affected all of our lives in a profound way. There's criminal charges. There's civil suits. You know, there's people all over social media saying we're Nazis and terrorists and this and that and all the rest of it. And, you know, we get attacked on all these fronts, but we don't have, we can't sit here like you and me and, you know, have a conversation about it or have a hug about it or, you know, and that's been stolen from us. Yeah, that's, I don't know why this comes to my. Fine. Here's your positive thought. Somewhere out there's an artist that could do this.

You know the painting where they're in the diner and it's like James Dean and, I don't know, is it Elvis? I can't remember all. Maryland Monroe. Maryland Monroe. I don't know why I think this, but wouldn't it be cool to have somebody paint the picture of the notorious whatever it is and everybody's just sitting around a diner or a pool table or whatever because you guys literally can't, you know, they probably assume it probably the assumption. probably the assumption, this is my logical brain going with it, which is, you know, my logical brain needs at times to shut the hell up because, you know, you look around the world and nothing makes sense. But you go, well, I don't want to marry with Chris and Dan and Tom and all these different people because maybe they'll start it again.

And that's where it all stem from, except what they don't understand is that's not at all happened at all. You know, like... Even if we wanted to, like I said, that was a once-in-a-lifetime thing, in my opinion. It was a perfect storm of events. It was after two years of these mandates and, you know, families, you know, I don't have to revisit all the stories. But, I mean, there was just, it was a perfect storm of events. And it just grew.

It just became this giant grassroots, you know, organic movement. I mean, we didn't see that coming. Nobody could have that coming. I told you. I interviewed Chris Barber. So I interviewed him, I think it was like five days before they started to leave. and he's pulled over on the side of a highway in his semi

somewhere in the States and he's explaining to me what this is because I got told about it like two days before and I'm like oh okay whatever yeah sure and he's telling me and I'm like oh okay yeah okay well good luck good luck

and you know of course all the listeners of the show know that that that interview eventually gets my entire YouTube channel just nuked like just and I'm not saying I was playing by the rules before that I'd certainly had Peter McCullough

and, you know, Paul Alexander and all these different doctors on, and that was getting me strikes and everything else, but that thing got me nuked. Wow. And it was only like four days after that interview, but I'm like, oh boy, I think, oh, I think this is going to work. And it's crazy how quickly that changed. And everybody felt that.

Like, I don't know of too many people, you know, for the most part, left or right that didn't, you know, certainly there was people who look at the convoy as like this evil entity. but most Canadians are like this has to work like I can't I can't we can't keep going the way we're going and I think a lot of people

They were begging us Sean begging us you know Canadians like we can't go on this way you know people I talk to every day they were telling me that they were planning their suicides

every day I heard that at least three times it like it was we were in just such a state, you know, and nobody knew what to do. I mean, there was all these protests around the country, but it was like nothing was getting traction. And then I don't know why it was us.

I don't know why it was our organization and not somebody else's. I mean, I just recognized, because I started the social media, and obviously the GoFundMe, that was the first thing when the donation started pouring. and I was like, oh my God, like I have very basic accounting skills, right? I've like, $20,000 is just what I had in my head. I was like, maybe we can raise that. I can totally manage 20 grand.

That's fine. And I very quickly realized it was moving out of the realm of my reality. And then the social media too. So I had to reach out to some friends to get me to help or to help get me with the messaging, the messaging because I was getting all these messages in and then I had to start a subgroup of the main Facebook page because people are like we live in North Bay Ontario and we're going to bring coffee and donuts and deaf or whatever you know so I had to start like a subgroup for support and get volunteers to manage these all these donations that people wanted to do or you know if we

people needed a place to stay there's like homes in such and such where if you need a bed for the night. Stop here. Like, you know, it just grew so big, so fast. Um, but again, I think that's why it was just a perfect storm of events. And I do think a lot of people were trying to get their voices heard, but they were being completely ignored. And I'm like, who's going to listen to little Sean Newman or Tamara Leach, note when they're not even listening to like Brian Bridal and Dr. Francis Christian? Right? Honestly, yes. You know, it's, it's, the amount of food I truckle about this from time time.

I had so many people reach out to me. And one of the things Chris had told me is, yeah, we'd take food. And so anyone who asked, I'd be like, I hear they'd take food. So I like to think I played just a small part in all the food that showed up because I just kept telling people, I think food. They just keep saying food, just give them food because by that time, I mean, you know, you're like I'm just laughing at myself as all the messages that I got, which, you know, was probably a drop in the bucket

compared to what you received and others, certainly who were a part of the going from all the different towns. But I laughed because I kept telling people food over and over again. I hear food, and I hear they're coming to here this day, and I don't know the ins and outs. I don't even know how to get you in contact with half these people. Just take food. And the amount of food was insane.

Oh, that's crazy. Reefers. Did you ever get out to any of the outposts? Yes. It was amazing. My first trip, there blew me away. I mean, there was everything from like lip chap, like boxes and boxes and tents and trailers and dog food and baby formula and diapers and canned goods and lip chap and gloves and socks

and underwear, like every possible thing under the sun, somebody donated. Thunder Bay, we pulled into the, I don't know, where all the trucks were parked, the convoy. Yeah. And we hadn't eaten like all day. Like it'd been a long day. and I remember being like, I kind of feel guilty because I'm not a trucker and I don't know if I should go ask and I maybe we should just go find a restaurant. Anyways, you know, worked up the courage and we walked to the back

one of the reefers and the guy said, he looked at me, he's like, you hungry? And I'm like, ah, well, no, if you need to give other people, don't worry, and he's like, no, no, get over here. And he just started like shoveling things out of it. And he's like, if we don't eat this, it's like, and I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, when did this all come?

He's like, oh, I don't know, the last day? Like, this is, he's like, he's like, like we can't keep up with it. I'm like oh like this is kind of insane. That was uh was that the part behind the parking lot behind the gas station in Thunder Bay? I think there was two anyways yeah there was like people walking around with like hot chili and just like the food was crazy it was everywhere people took such good care of us. The well the I I joke about this in Ottawa I I should have lost wait for how many miles I put on walking. But every block had somebody cooking 100 hot dogs and just throwing them out of everyone.

The next street you over would have that big old pot of chili. And you're like, who's cooking chili? And they're like, you want something? I'm like, well, I can't say no to that. And then you need it. And you're like, this is fantastic. And the next one, I remember, I forget if it's dominoes. I hate to give a company credit that, I want to say dominoes.

I'm going to go with dominoes and somebody can correct me on this. But anyways, the guys that were saying, they had Domino's to give on. I'm like, oh, you go buy it? And they're like, no, this delivery guy showed up. It was the night before and was trying to sell us Domino's, you know, and just come down with boxed pizzas and said, oh, it's $20 a box. And he's like, dude, look around you. Yeah.

We can have as much food as you want. We're not buying your pizzas. And he's like, read the room. And so then he left. And the next night he came back and he had the same box of pizzas. And he said, here, give it out. And I was like, that's super cool. And so you could have a slice.

And I want to say it was dominoes. I hate to, it could have been in a different pizza company, but it was a mainstream one that I, you would never thought would do something like that. And, well, the food, I mean, I don't have to tell it to you. But like, I remember the, I think it was Spencer Boats, me talking about it, how the front line of trucks right along Parliament Hill were getting hammered with food. And so it just slowly from there grew out to the next block to the next block. And the food just kept going further and further away from where the actual protest was because there was so much of it.

Like, think about that. Like that's, you know, like, I don't even know how to comprehend that at times. Yeah. Yeah, I know. The support, the support was amazing. And, I mean, a lot of that was like from Ottawa residents. You know, like I ran into Ottawa residents. I ran into federal government employees.

And you know if you were in that crowd and you saw people with masks on or face coverings. it was unusual and you noticed it. And so the first thought was, well, it's got to be Antifa. They're wearing masks. It's Antifa. But what I discovered this day is I was down at Parkway, Sir Johnny Parkway, and there was these two people there that I noticed kind of watching me. And they were covered.

Like, all you could see was their eyeballs. And so I just kind of noted it, you know, whatever. And it was a cool day, so I get it. And then I started talking to him and they were a married Muslim couple that lived in the vicinity of Sir John A. And they were going down every day and taking firewood, blankets, food, water, whatever they needed. They went down every day to find out what those people needed. And of course, they didn't want to be seen. So she had already lost her job.

She was on leave without pay. in order to go back to work, she was going to have to get vaccinated and take a two-week COVID-19 education, whatever, brainwashing. It sounds like, very much like Jordan Peterson's situation, right? And he was about to be laid off. He was about to be put on leave without pay.

And, you know, they were supporting us just as much that this affected a lot of federal employees also. I mean, even when I was in for the inquiry, I ran into people, because we were staying right downtown, I ran into people that worked for a certain MP's offices that flat out told me that they hoped that we kicked ass at the inquiry and they wanted him fired. Not Chudeau, but, you know, just a certain MP. So we did have a ton of support, even in Ottawa itself. Well, I don't know about you, but I met a bunch of families that were coming down. after their workday was done to set up a little food, I don't know, stands, whatever you want to call it,

but serve food to everybody for like three, four hours and then go home and then they come back the next day. Yeah. I don't know. I thought that was rather wild, you know, to think that. You know, you bring up the inquiry. Oh, yeah, I don't, I mean, we can hash out thoughts on the inquiry and this and that. I was more curious, you know, when you were in the heat of, of, uh, those weeks.

And then, of course, after it, you go to jail. And, you know, then you get to sit back and listen to inquiry. You know, certainly were we all hoping at the end he was going to go. It was unconstitutional, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes. And did that happen? No. But in saying that, all the police testimonies, the ceasus, the everything that come out of there.

I was curious, you know, for a woman who was like right in the heart of it to, now have the opportunity to sit back and listen to all the different views on what you were doing and part of, what stood out to you the most out of the inquiry, that you're like, wow, I can't believe they just, because, I mean, like, so much came out, you know, Tom Korski from Blacklocks tells me this all the time. He's like, you know, once they start releasing all the documents, that's where the gold is. You've got to pay attention to that, blah, blah, blah. And what happened through the inquiry? All these guys got to testify and ask the right question. they just like condemned like I mean it was just I don't know for me it was pretty like black and white now the end result wasn't what anyone wanted or at least not on this side but I was curious you know you being in the heart of it and when you're in the heart of you know the storm I don't think you're paying attention to a whole I mean you're trying to but I assume it's it's a little difficult and then having jail after for as long as you went now hearing all these testimonies what stuck out to you about the inquiry oh boy

the first couple weeks was crazy because it was I heard a lot of hurt feelings and I heard a lot of paranoia and I remember saying to Eva it was after the city officials and the the Ottawa City Police were starting to come in and testify and I said when did these people become so terrified of their own citizens. Like it was, well, that has the potential for this and there's the potential for that. Well, there's always a, there's a potential. The sun's going to explode tomorrow and we're all going to die. But, you know, we're not losing our minds over it.

This city councilors, you know, to insinuate that a semi-truck is a weapon and propane tanks and jerry cans. like then your neighbor is probably a terrorist because they probably have those in their garage. Like it was ridiculous. And, you know, the superintendent or the head of the intelligence of the OPP to get up and say the lack of violence was shocking. That, I mean, he came right out and basically called out the politicians and the media because he's saying what you guys are saying doesn't match up with the intelligence that we're calling. collecting. And none of that is getting talked about right now, which I find really unusual, you know, because this is all important stuff. And especially now with all this Chinese interference coming up. I mean, you think that CESIS, our intelligence services agency, kind of should know what

they're talking about. And yet, I mean, the liberal government and the mainstream media is kind of trying to dismiss it almost now like, oh, that's just ceases. Like, it ceases, you know, they're coming forward with these concerns. And David Vignoll, the head of ceases, even said, you know, that we didn't meet any of the criteria. We didn't meet the Section 2 of the CES Act. Flat out, I mean, there's four criteria, or one of the four criteria that have to be met to invoke the act, and none of them were met. So that tells me now that that legislation isn't worth the paper that it's written on. It means nothing. If you can just unilaterally go in and on paranoia or what could happen or, you know, invoke the Emergencies Act, the greatest suspension of civil liberties that we have.

You know, it was slight overkill. And so it was... It's an easy way to put it. Slight overkill, yes. It was difficult to sit through a lot of it. A lot of it, you know, there was days I felt really frustrated. There was days I felt vindicated. There was, it was kind of an emotional roller coaster. But it was all exhausting. And then, of course, when you get to the end,

when we had the government officials coming in, and it was just, I don't know. I remember thinking more than once sitting in that inquiry, thinking, I wonder what people from countries like that have terrible, terrible, terrible problems and issues are thinking if they're watching this. Like, this is embarrassing. And none of us were surprised by his decision. I think we were all holding out hope that he would have reached a different conclusion.

It still felt like a gut punch. And I was, I guess, still a little surprised because of the evidence. Like the actual evidence that that. was presented, not how the council men and women felt, not how interim chief bell felt. You know, here you have the interim chief of police basically sitting on a stand trying to redefine what violence means. Like, it was a clown show. There was a lot of, I was happy to see that a lot of the evidence finally came out to and

really happy with the way that our legal team got it presented and got it out there. And, you know, they were basically working 24-7. I mean, especially when the time the government people came in, the feds came in. I mean, they were dropping documents at 9 or 10 o'clock at night that all these lawyers had to go through and be ready for the witness the next day. Like there was just those kind of shenanigans. Oh, attacked. The redactions and the cabinet.

confidentiality, like where there was none. I mean, and then you see the politicians get up there, and they're basically just got that kind of smug, smarmy look on their face. Like, how dare you even ask me this? Like, I really got the sense towards the end. It was like all these dirty blue-collar workers with their dirty working hands came to our city and, you know, dirtied our city. I actually flew home for a few days in the middle when the Windsor Coutes people got up to testify

because it had nothing to do with us. Not that I wasn't interested, but, you know, I'd been there for a while and I just felt I need to go home and just get out of this atmosphere for a couple days and, you know, kind of clear my head. And then we came back and then it was, of course, the government officials and stuff. So, I mean, what did you think watching it? I mean, you were there and you were part of this whole thing. And, I mean, when you're watching, say, Zexi Lee, you know, discussing it as like it was the purge, you know, like you were there.

How did you feel watching all of this? The entire thing in its entirety, I would argue to Canadians, if they haven't watched any of it, it's probably the best television you will see all year long. Now, it doesn't get the conclusion that I wanted. And it certainly had me saying a few things under my breath when, you know, oh, well, I guess not under my breath. I was talking myself in a room watching it, you know. Because, I mean, it was long days.

There was, you know, I think I said this to Eva when I had her on, and actually Tom, for that matter, is like very few people could give up eight to, what, 12 hours a day to watch it. But if they did pick out some interviews to sit and just listen to what? what was being said and how they were talking about things and just slugged through parts of it, man, there were some gems in there. But like, the ridiculousness of, you know, some of the testimonies to try and paint it as, you know, well, everything you've said, you know, like a terrorist insurrection.

Yeah, well, and the fumes from gas and the fumes from the units and the noise and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Somebody pointed it out on, on, um, so I told you before. before, you know, we started, my final interviews there I did, the final day that I walked around and talked to people, I never released it until a year later, which we did on the anniversary of the convoy. And one of the people commented, they're like, you know, for all the loud honking that everybody's complained about, you're walking around the city of Ottawa, I can't hear it. Now, you can hear it in some of it, right? But other times you can't hear anything, right? I'm sitting there on the street talking to people, and it's dead quiet. there's no quiet and certainly it wasn't like that all the time but I I try to

I try to remind like I was sitting in the room you know when it was like you guys have to open up emergency lands that happened within like 15 minutes I was I was rather impressed I was like holy shit that that happened quick and then you know like I remember getting listen guys we can't just honk non-stop we have to have our parameters we should do it in unison we should try and do blah blah blah blah blah and like that doesn't get talked about and you know these are these are all the things that if you um were investigating this let's say you're an investigative reporter like a few phone calls and you'd have i feel like you'd be to the bottom of this real fast and uh so no watching the inquiry um

that was my biggest takeaway to answer your question that was my biggest takeaway at the inquiry. I watched Peter slowly get up and, you know, I watched all this testimony and I'm thinking to myself, if you would have just called us, like, if you would have just, you know, Steve Bell or these politicians or anyone, like if you guys would have just talked to somebody, we wouldn't all be sitting here right now. Yeah, I mentioned I had, and it's kind of, for the listener, I apologize, because I interviewed two military guys today, but, you know, you're episode 400, which is kind of cool to say out it out loud.

And they'll come out Monday anyways. I asked them what the biggest problem, I think I said problem, we have in Canada right now, and they mention the lack of communication. And you, I mean, you can literally see that in what you're talking about, right? Which is an ironic, which is really ironic because we live in a time where communication is interesting. It is easy. easy right I mean you you wanted to get an answer from what the convoy was there from

I mean there was all you had to do is like walk down to a hotel like two minutes from where all the protests were going on you could walk in and talk to no less than a handful of people that would have sat and gladly chatted I witnessed the amount of people coming and going out of the Ark Hotel was insane and uh it was crazy wasn't it wasn't it Oh, wow, yeah, it really was. Yeah. Always new faces, too. I mean, of course, we had the core people that were always there,

but every day there was like just more people flooding and coming in and stuff, right? It was, yeah. It's, yeah, the, um, apologize. I get, you know, sitting in Emmington and I'm, I'm going home. My kids are probably asleep. Nobody cares where dads yet, you know, at this point. Anyways, I'm laughing at myself as a check my phone. Um, you know, the, uh, there was so much that happened in Ottawa that is like,

hard to rationalize. I always talked. Actually, I don't say I always talk. I just like, to me, like, so much emotion, so much desperation. So much happiness. Hope. So much hope, sadness, tears, emotion, energy. Uh, I don't normally.

Healing. Yeah, like just like, just everywhere. Everybody was wearing it on there. And we were all breaking the law. I remember talking to a guy in Subway. Speak for yourself. I wasn't breaking the law. Fair.

And so I'm in that. He better edit that part out. Just kidding. I go, I go walk in because I was looking for a bathroom. So I have, okay. So I'm going to, here's my story. Okay. Give it to me. I'm at Parliament.

and I have to go to use the bathroom, but there's no outhouses. So if Sean starts walking, there's McDonald's. So I walk in, they say, sir, you can't be in her with a mask. And I don't know if I was just in a happy-go-lucky mood or what. So I'm like, okay, so I walk back out. There's two cops there. So I walk up and, no, I'm going to back it up because I talk to him first. I talked to the cops, I say, where's the bathroom?

They say McDonald's. So I walk over to McDonald's. They say, you need a mask. So then I come back out. I walk over to the cops again. And I say, can I get a mask? The look on their faces, you know, like everybody is, is, and I'm putting it in quotes, breaking the law at this point. Nobody's wearing a mask.

Nobody's social distancing. Nobody's doing this. Anyways, here's this guy, you know, wearing a hoodie in minus 40 weather going, can I get a mask? And then you guys like, sure, so he grabs me a mask. And I said, man, I just got to use a bathroom. I said, I got a mask. I just don't care. I'm just going to go wear a mat.

Anyway, so I put the mask on. I walk in the bathroom, walk in the McDonald's. and they go, welcome McDonald's, sir, what can we do for you? And I said, I'd like to use your washroom. And they go, sorry, sir, it's locked and it's not available to the public. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. I'm like, so then I pull the mask off. Now I'm really chapped because I really have to pee.

So I walk back across and the cop now sees me coming, right? And he goes, oh, you get the bathroom? And I'm like, no, they're not opening it to the public. And he goes, oh. And I'm like, and I really have to pee. And I've got to know why is it that they can't. Anyway, so I'm talking to these cops, and they say, well, I tell you what? Just go behind the, just go over there.

I'm like, I'm a human being. I'm not peeing on the sidewalk, so I can get busted for, and he's like, no, no, no, we won't bust you, we won't ever. I'm like, dude, I haven't been at this, like, I'm like, I even wore a mask just to use the bathroom. And you're telling me, when does my rights ever count in this thing? And so he goes, I tell you what, there's a subway. And it's just down the right. And he's like, maybe they got a bathroom. So I walk in, it's pretty, it's pretty like, you couldn't tell it was over.

in the it's pretty dark place and anyways their bathroom was broken but they were super nice and they're like but you can use it the handles broke

you kind of got a anyways I ended up getting them a plumber to come in and fix the toilet so that they could use it anyways so I'm so sweet

so I got to use the bathroom anyways I come up and I'm like it's kind of dead in here and the guy's like yeah we've been you know protests going on nobody's eating

I'm like but people got to eat I mean it's subway so I'm like I tell you what I'll help you out I'll go and I was I was talking to people on the street but I said you know we got out we got a we got a we got a live in this place up can we turn some lights on can we show that it's like kind of open and the guy's like uh I don't know what you mean so I like he has this on this table he has all these old posters for subway and I just start putting them up to show a little bit of color on the outside and show they're I don't know in my brain I thought they're opening he's like dude those are like two days old you can't put those up those deals don't exist and I go dude look out on the street everybody here's here is not wearing a mask, is not doing things. They're not abiding by anything. Nobody cares.

Just let them come in and spend money and help you out. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And I'm like, this is the most wild thing I've experienced. I'm like, just break your company's stupid rules, sell some sandwiches, and bring in some of the joy that is sitting out on the street. You could see it walking everywhere. And here it was.

I don't know. Anyways. Well, and those businesses that did still open. I mean, the Tim Horton's at the corner. was wild. Oh my God. They've never made so much money. And, you know, they also had truckers going in and mopping the floors and cleaning the bathrooms and clean the tables and clean the tables.

We were busing it all. Totally. Because, you know, it was slushy and dirty and muddy. So, you know, they were wiping the floor. Yeah, it was amazing, you know. Well, I told you before we started, like, one of the things I did at the hotel is I just started cleaning up garbage. Yeah, that's right. Because nobody's doing it.

Yeah. And after like, folks, I don't think we realize at a hotel how many people work at keeping a hotel clean. Think about it. You got, you know, where we sit today, they got a full hotel tonight. Like it sounds like it's quite packed. The lobby certainly seemed like it was buzzing. So let's just assume you have, I'm going to ballpark at 400 rooms. What's that?

800 people on average just to a room, let's just say. 800 people with their, you know, their laundry, their blah, da, da, da. And back then, you got COVID. so they're not coming in your room to do anything. Right. So you're putting all your dishes out in front. Then they closed down the restaurant. Yeah.

Right? Then they turned off to hot water. And so now you got people just like in disarray. You got like dirty dishes and garbage laying everywhere. And this is all in the hallways. And nobody to clean it. Why? Because, well, one, it was hard to get downtown is what they were saying.

Two, COVID rules. So everyone's like, well, we can't come in. There's too many people here already. And so. And then the thing that the thing that the, hotel staff is saying is you know my biggest problem with you guys is you know there's garbage everywhere like all right well give me a garbage bag we'll clean it up you know and that mentality that even i had was everybody had that you know we we talked about this earlier on like you need somebody

with garbage bags they went out and did it needs somebody with laundry somebody showed up and started taking care of it i was out front of that hotel picking cigarette butts off the ground and i i asked them you know do you guys have it like a jar or something that we could just you know And I was, well, I ended up leaving that hotel, but I mean, I was going to go buy one of those smoking, whatever, you put your smoke in and I don't know what they're called, but, you know, to put out front because, you know, there's like cigarette butts everywhere. And I can't tell you how many times I was out front cleaning up cigarette butts. Let me ask you this. You've waited, or not waited, but gauged or maybe been told, I don't know the answer. roughly a year to talk on media.

Was that something that happened, that you're like, it's time, or were you just fed up enough that you're like, I'm willing to come on and talk to Sean? That's pretty much it. Obviously, lawyers are very careful, and because of the wording of my conditions is so terrible and broad and some, of it doesn't even make any sense.

He really wanted to err, I think, on the side of caution. The judge did say in my last hearing, because I remember the Cram prosecutor trying to get him to say that I couldn't do media. He was reiterating my social media ban and interviews. And the judge kind of laughed at him and he was like, of course she can do media. Like, you know. And of course she can do interviews. and so I never forgot that.

But, you know, I listened to my criminal lawyer and I was like, yeah, no interviews, no interviews. Because, you know, I didn't want to go back to jail and I didn't want to, I'm not afraid of jail. I'm just afraid of, A, my dogs, my husband, my children, I mean, it's not just about me being in a jail cell. I got that. That's the easy part. It's the people that have to deal with that on the outside. Yeah, the chaos that's created. You know, and I'm not going to lie to you.

Like, even though I know I'm innocent and I know what really happened, it's no fun to call your kids from jail, ever. You know, I think my grandson, who will be seven next month, you know, just found out that I had even been to jail. His parents hadn't even told him. But, of course, I mean, it's getting to that point where, you know, he's going into grade two. and, you know, next year. And so it's going to come up, right? And I lost my train of thought there. Grandson, your grandma is a total badass, you know?

Like, honestly. I mean, it's wild to me. You know, like some of the ramifications of what have happened until you get a leader of this country who can see it for what it is. It's like, I assume, like, you. You know, you mentioned Ontario that's been lifted, so now you can travel the country again. But I don't know.

Can you leave the country? Oh, yeah, I can leave, yeah. Yeah, I haven't tried yet. Like, I'd like to take my, I'd like to take my passport and just go maybe down to have her for the day or something and just to see what they'll do with the border, you know, because I don't know. It's, I'm curious.

So, anyways, I do remember back to your point. So I kind of just got to this point, and last of a while or I'm not afraid anymore. And I'm not going to, I know what my limitations are. I've been known to, you know, walk the line a little and push buttons and boundaries, but I do recognize what those boundaries are. And I'll just stay within that. And, you know, I guess the tipping point for me was the release of the Rolo's report.

And then having Trudeau coming out and talking about. oh I've got Canadians backs and we've just have Canadians backs and I'm all about keeping Canadians safe and I thought my head was going to friggin explode. When I heard him say that for the umpteenth time and because I am the one out here and Chris Barber's out here and you know all these other people that were involved are out here listening to stories from real Canadians like I said that were about to kill themselves or that we're living in their cars or lost their business or didn't get to say goodbye to their mother when she died. He should be out here listening to these stories and then you tell me how you had anybody's backs but your own and you tell me who you were keeping safe because it sure as hell wasn't them. And that and the Relo report was sort of my tipping point. You know, I was like, this is ridiculous.

And I, for one, I'm happy to hear you doing different. because, you know, Canada needs its strong voices. I'm a very big, I really like what Jordan Peterson has to say. He's changed my life. I don't think anyone, that's to surprise anyone who listens. I was, you know, early, late to the take, doesn't matter. For some, I was late, for others, I was early. But when I first started listening to him, read his book and everything else.

And I was really disappointed, I think, is the, a word I'd probably use because he went, I thought he went quiet, but then you read his second book and you start to realize some of the health issues and everything else he's had. But I was like, there's another Albertan who's sharp as attack, strong voice, commands, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And with you, Chris, with all these different voices, it's like, we need them all. And so when I, you know, when I've been, you know this, I've been kind of, poking to see when you're going to be, you know, like ready to talk or when they were going to allow you to talk or whatever the words are.

I just didn't ask. To be honest, when you finally said, yeah, I'm ready to go. I'm like, it's time because we need not only your voice but other voices across Canada to share their story and allow Canadians to hear what actually went on. Because, you know, I act like all my audience knows exactly who you are. And I assume they do because we've all seen your face. But hearing it out of your voice and hearing some of the things you have to say and what you went through is really powerful stuff because you've been a figurehead for the last year for both sides of this coin. One side, you know, you walk on water. You can do no wrong.

You are just like this. And the other side paints you as like, I mean, you created the insurrection. You were there to just, you know, I don't know. They're looking for devil. horns on the head, right? Yeah. It's crazy. But they get to paint that picture when they don't get to hear from you, right? They just get to tell the story and nobody's there to refuted other than people are trying to, you know, go to bath for you.

But it's really powerful to hear you get to open up and talk some of your thoughts through because, I mean, that is what I need to, that Jordan Peterson, I guess, is where I was going. When he started talking again, I'm like, oh, thank the Lord, right? Like, he needs to be doing this more. Because when you go silent, people get to talk for you. And that's... Well, it creates a vacuum. And somebody's going to fill that vacuum with something. And it's not always good, you know.

So, yeah, you know, in that respect, you know, we were talking before we started this. You know, there seems like there's no middle ground anymore. You're either on this side or you're on that side. and that that seems to be the case with me and you know I'm sort of blessed in a way not to be on social media because I see kind like people send me screenshots and like I see some of the things like I've been called a whore I have been called a Nazi I have been called a terrorist I have been called a racist I have been called a grifter I've been called a thief I mean there's really really nothing that I haven't been called, you know what I mean?

And so I'm really glad that I don't get to see that. I mean, there's also lovely, beautiful things, too. Don't get me wrong. But I remember, you know, Chris and I were on the way to Ottawa last year, and friends would send me all this terrible stuff that was being written about me, right? And I finally said to this one lady in particular, I said, stop. I don't care. I don't want to read it.

I'm on my way to Ottawa. I need to stay focused and I need to say positive. I don't need to read this stuff because it's really at the end of the day irrelevant. Like my dad always says other people's opinion of you is not your business. And it's right. He's right. Like I'm not going to let negativity ruin my day because I know who I am and I'm comfortable with who I am. And I mean, I know what really happened.

I know what my motivations were. and I'm okay with that. And, you know, 10% of the population is never going to like you just because. Yeah. You know, one of the things that, I don't know, I don't know if you want to talk about this, I don't know if I'm pulling you in anything and I don't want to. But like, the reason it comes to mind is I bring up Dr. Robert Malone again because I literally just had him on.

And he's been under attack by, you know, some people that I have had on the podcast and respect and you know and he got talking about fifth generation warfare and that type of thing. And, you know, one of the things about the inquiry is, you know, I met Bridget and I don't mean to single anyone just out, but there was a day or two in the inquiry where it got the only word that comes to mind is bizarre. And I was just like, what is going on? Like this is maybe undermining the entire thing that happened. And certainly, I wasn't there for it all. So I just sat back and kind of listened and was kind of like, this is a strange television, you know. Was it strange for you as well?

Or do you see where, did you, was this already percolating under the surface? I don't know, because it just felt like there was a lot of infighting, I guess, is the word I would use. Well, and it's, it's really sad. It's actually heartbreaking to see how, you know, some relationships have fallen apart. And again, I mean, we were just all complete strangers, you know. I mean, we didn't know. And personalities don't always mix and that's fine. I mean, you just move forward, right?

And it was really heartbreaking in some of the instances that have happened with some infighting. And, you know, my personal opinion is that there's nothing like this ever happens without egos getting involved. nothing. I mean, and that's just human nature. That's not even a criticism, but that's just how that goes. And then, of course, when there's money involved, like, if this thing has taught me one thing and one thing only, it's that the saying that money is the root of all evil is absolutely true. And I felt that even on the way last year. Like, you've heard me say it, right? I mean, the girls would message me and say, bump it up another million. You know, we've already, we're going to blow past this. And I would be, like, so excited, but like, so, sick to my stomach at the same time. Because when you're talking millions of dollars, I knew the lawyers are coming. Of course they're coming. We're talking about millions of dollars, you know? And I think, I think in her case, I don't know.

I don't know her story. And we don't need to single anyone out. I didn't mean death. And I wouldn't want to either. Like, I mean, she has her story. I just mean more in the general of, you know, know, everybody that was on the same side. Yeah.

There's been infighting. That's a general. Happens to every organization. And I guess I almost want to take a step back. I didn't mean to single anyone out. I just, to me, that, you know, when you watched it, you're like, this is, this is strange. Her feelings about me are pretty public. And that's okay.

Like I said, she doesn't have to like me. You know, that's okay. I don't mind. She's got her story and that's totally fine. And it's just, I don't think there's too many organizations. that don't get touched with with some type of infighting. And, you know, some people, and I'm not singling her out by any means. I mean, I just mean, in general.

I mean, you know, some people like to feel like they're in control or they can run this or, you know, I don't know. And then you have, like I said, a situation like the convoy, which just all came together so fast. I mean, most of us had never met each other before, let alone, you know, even knew who their names were and were thrust into this thing. And let's be honest, I mean, it grew so fast that, I mean, it quickly went from, you know, me helping Chris and Bridget and some truckers get to Ottawa to basically, holy shit,

we're going to be responsible for all these people on the highway and this convoy, all these people on the side of the road. You know, that's a whole safety thing. And I think it's a bloody miracle that Chris led that convoy all the way to Ottawa without one single, incident. Do you think it's a miracle? I do think it's a miracle. I mean, how many trucks did we have? Well, we could never keep count anyways, but nobody got hurt, nobody got run over. There wasn't any car accidents. Like, it was just, you know, when we pulled into Ottawa, we were 100 kilometers long and not one accident. And that's what I mean, right? It was a very divine experience. Yeah, it's an

experience like that that doesn't make you question if there is more to this world than meets the guy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I felt it right from the start, right from the beginning. Just too many coincidences, too many things that happened, too many, you know, opportunities that presented themselves that just didn't even make any sense. You know, if we had a certain job or something that we really needed a certain skill set for, that person would just show up. you know what I mean? Like, it was, yeah, it was, it was honestly the most beautiful experience of my life, and I'll never, I'll never forget it. And it is a crying shame that the mainstream media portrayed it in lockstep with the government.

I mean, that's some of the evidence that did come out. I mean, they had this whole narrative crafted before I even got in big red in Medicine Hat. You know, like they had it all planned out. They had Trudeau's talking points about how terrible we were on the streets of Ottawa laid out in an email three days before we got to Ottawa. And then he's on TV two days later saying those exact same talking points. Like, thank God for people like you and the Western Standard and Rebel and, you know, Andrew Lawton, True North, Rupa, all of them that actually got out there and tried to capture what was really happening.

independent journalists and alternative media, and even anyone with a cell phone, they all became citizen journalists there, right? And so thank God, could you imagine how different this would be if this was, say, 20 years ago when we didn't have cell phones? All we would have had was the narrative that the media was painting and the scary things that they were printing in the paper. It would be a totally different scenario. Yeah, for once what at times got us into the situation helped expose the situation for what it was yeah and I mean kudos to you guys I got nothing but respect for you you know you put you're putting your your reputations on the line too you know every time you go it was and Rupa Samariana just impressed me so

much like she was one of the first people um that I would call from the mainstream um that actually got out there and was talking to people and you know talking to the truckers and the supporters and just people that just came to see, you know, what was going on and getting the real story. And so when you hear, you know, from people like her that actually work in the, in legacy media or have, talk about, you know, just not even being able to comprehend what the mainstream media narrative is compared to what's going on, you know, that's some pretty serious issues. And, you know, Trish Woods, same thing, former, from a former, Yeah, fifth of state.

Yeah, and there's more. Yeah. And they're appalled at what's happening, you know? So, yeah, I hope very soon in the very near future, you guys are the mainstream media. I really do. Wouldn't that be something? That would be amazing. We're ready for some truth.

Before I let you out of here, you have a book coming on? Yes. Yes, it's finished, pretty much finished. ready to go. We're just getting every other little final details done here. I'm really hoping it'll be out within the next few weeks, and it's going to be called, hold the line, my story from the heart of the Freedom Convoy. And I'm really looking forward to it. It's a great, really hard to get that story into 200 pages. You know, when we were discussing at the beginning, you know, how long we wanted this book to be, we're like 200, 250. You know what? It's, we're just, we're. We're just, we're

wanted to be a nice read like you know but i was like this is like a lord of the rings trilogy with prequels and sequels how are we going to fit this story into 200 pages you know you've got you know the origin story and the organization part that was 10 days and then you've got the actual trip across canada and then you've got you know the protest in ottawa but then you've got all these interpersonal relationships that were going on and, you know, the money and the honking and, you know, like there's so many different aspects to this. I mean, it would be a three-hour movie, you know? There's so many components.

You think at some point it probably should be a three-hour movie, to be honest, I don't know. I look forward to that. Somehow I feel like that will be a bestseller. I certainly wish it for you. I hope so. Thank you. But I can't see how it wouldn't be, you know? I just, I, you know, when that gets released, I just feel like it'll be like a little bit of a grass-vers movement to make it so.

Because I think so many people will be interested in it. You know, you know, if you've been out since day one, just hammering media, media, media, media, media, media, maybe it would be different, maybe. But I'm like, you know, it's like, you haven't said anything in a year since it went, and everybody saw you get arrested, and then it's been just silence. It's like, I feel like everybody's going to delve into those pages and be super enticed to see what you write about and some of the stories that come from now. Yeah, I'm rather looking forward to it if I'm being honest. Well, thank you.

I, you know, it's been an interesting ride in general. But, you know, I'm happy we got to do this. Me too. Finally, yeah. I should have asked the final question. You know, a show-to-cruedmaster, Heath and Tracy McDonald have been supporters of this podcast since pretty much day one, you know, very early on.

And I've certainly not made it easy on them, and they continue to support. And certainly for all of us through the dark days, you know, anyways. Now I have this S&P presents in Eminton, and I, you know, I was looking for major sponsors, so I approached them. And without hesitation, they were like, yeah, absolutely. Like what you're doing.

Here it is. And I'm like, okay, well, you get a table and this and that. And they're like, no, no, no, we don't want any of that. Just do it. And I'm like, oh, okay. Right? So, super cool to have them along for the ride. And the last little segment we do is the final question brought to you by Crudemaster.

And it's Heathsworths. Oh, okay. Heath got on a podcast. Sorry, Heath. I forget what episode you were on. But he said something that really stuck with it. mean it was uh here's his words he said if you're going to stand behind a cause stand behind it absolutely what's one thing tamara stands behind oh boy one thing i stand behind

can't i can't explain i can't explain it um but the unity and the coming together that i witnessed i mean i will there are no words that's the thing. When you try to describe this, how do you describe it, at least in the English language, which is the only language that I know. But, you know, I mean, it was just, it was unlike anything that I've ever seen before or experienced before. And I will stand behind them and, you know, defend their rights and freedoms if that's what I'm meant to do. and because it's worth it. And every Canadian deserves to be free. Every Canadian deserves to earn a living. Every Canadian deserves to not have the government overreaching into their lives. You know, people need somebody that's going to look after their needs, all their needs.

And I said this in the inquiry. If you are going to lead a country, you don't just get to pick and choose who you're going to lead because they like your hair or they like your ideology. I mean, you are not responsible for just those people. You are responsible for everyone. And isn't it the truth that, don't you learn? I learn more from sitting down and talking to someone maybe that I don't agree with. Then, like, you know, that's the thing with.

As long as it's respectful. We're in an echo chamber. Yeah, and we tend to be in an echo chamber. And I will also stand by my truth. I will definitely stand behind my truth. Well, I appreciate you doing this. I hope it is not the only time we ever sit down and do this. Certainly getting to spend an evening with you and kind of reconnect and all that good stuff.

I appreciate you coming on. And while I think most Canadians will, A, be waiting for the book drop and certainly be paying attention to your court dates and things like that. What is the tentative or the scheduled date for your... The scheduled date for the trial. is September 20 or September 5th sorry it's a two-week trial scheduled in the fall but I mean the last Chris and I have been in hearings for the last two weeks now three hearings we've had so far and nothing that was scheduled to be heard on those days has been heard we were supposed to get our motion for particulars heard on the 16th and 17th of February didn't happen that day something else was

heard and then we booked another date on the 7th of March and that was nothing happened there and then we had the result of that hearing was supposed to be on the 13th of March and nothing happened there and yeah so you know I think the punishment in the legal system because we have a legal system in Canada and not a justice system in Canada it the punishment is in the process and you know it's no skin off their back to drag this out as long as they want it's not their liberties that have been suspended So, yeah, so tentatively two weeks in the fall, hopefully, and then hopefully all that stuff's done. Well, good. Well, I'm hoping for you. And, well, I mean, I know a good majority of Canadians are pulling for you. So either way, thanks for doing this and coming on and look forward to when we crosspass in the future.

Thanks so much. Thank you for having me. And I'm very excited for your event tomorrow and Saturday, very excited.