Shaun Newman Podcast - #406 - Dallon Leger

Episode Date: March 30, 2023

Owner of EcoGenX Agriculture Recycling who is better known as the "Grain Bag Guy". He is facing off against the Saskatchewan government with environmental surcharges. Farmers listen up. Give Send Go link: https://www.givesendgo.com/Dallonleger Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Let me know what you thinkText me 587-217-8500

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Happy Thursday, you know. I keep saying this. My plan for 2023 has been four episodes a week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday. And then I started off the year going 5, 5, 5, 5, every Thursday, you know. And then I took some holidays and backed off from that. and people were like, where'd the Thursday go? So, you know, it's kind of hit and miss right now if there's going to be a Thursday. And I don't like doing that because obviously I'm a big pusher of consistency.

Except, you know, from time to time, I got things going on in the week, you know, like an event, or I got some time with the family and things like that. So it is kind of sporadic on Thursday. So Thursdays are my sporadic day of the week. So here we are. We got a Thursday episode for you. I'm excited to, you know, have another one come out and hopefully enjoy all that good stuff. In saying that, I thought I'd bring up a couple things.

One is my substack. So I started down this road of a substack. And I'm into the first to say that I didn't want to start a substack because it feels like everybody's starting a substack. Just like everybody's starting a podcast. Just like everybody's starting the new hip thing, if you would. And not that, you know, it's like whatever. So why did you start it, Sean? Well, I'm a big believer in a couple different things.

One is, you know, Peterson talking about organize your thoughts and writing forces you to do that. And then the second thing it coincided well with was I was looking at ways for people to support, you know, individually. And so I've had a Patreon account for a long time. I just dislike it because I understand the longer I continue to do and say what I've been doing, Patreon's already showed their hand that they're not going to, you know,

they're going to at some point just remove you, kind of like PayPal's done to a bunch of people and things like that. So I've been kind of just like testing the water. So I looked at Substack. I'd been suggested it because lots of people are switching over to it. Obviously there's a lot of people writing and saying things and getting the word out that way. The problem is you have to write. And so I've been wrestling with that.

So I went, I'm going to try and do this for a year for the rest of 2023. It's free. if you like it, great, share it. If you dislike it, tell me because I'm like, I want to know. It's kind of like right off the hop in podcasting when I'm like, if I don't have a voice for radio, for podcasting, just tell me, and I'll stop because I don't want to be that guy with the irritating voice that you're just like, I just can't listen to it.

And, you know, I was thankful that a lot of people said I had a voice that was conducive to listening to. All right, rock and roll. So here we go again. You know, I'm going to try and do this writing thing and battle through it and try and out some thoughts and everything else. And if, if I get up to 100 people over the course of the year

that pledge to support it, you know, going in 2024, then maybe we'll turn it in, well, then we will turn it into a way that you can support the podcast. Until then,

pledge away. There's been four so far, which I think is really cool. And I'm honored to even say that a lot. I think that's really cool that people, um, want to support what I'm doing and, and think that,

uh, the substack is, you know, uh, of that. So that's what I would say. That's where I'm going with it. It's free for the rest of the year. I'm just playing around with it. If you haven't seen it, click it in the show notes. The substack is sitting there. Click on it and go explore. I think there's been four articles written to this point. And if you haven't read the last one about the 16-old girl, you really, really need

to go read that story. Pretty incredible. She should have a substack. Maybe I'll tell her that and she should start writing. Because, I mean, I don't know what she already is. She's already a better right, and then Sean ever will be, probably. But anyways, that's my ramble about it. I've been searching for different ways that I think long-term might be smart for Sean because I don't want to have 18 different spots. I suck at it, I get spread thin, I don't enjoy it. So I podcast.

And you know where to find me four days of the week and sometimes five, and that's right here. So that's why Thursday's back. Well, not back. This week it is. And the other thing that I'm going to bring Vance Crow on is, fountain. Fountain pays you in Satoshi. For you guys listening to me, you can pull across all your libraries on Wi-Fi. And essentially, when you listen, it pays the host in Satoshi, which is like some fraction of a Bitcoin. Like, it's beyond tiny. But at the same time, you get enough people doing

it. And just by listening through the fountain app, you can support what I'm doing. And I've had some people do that already and I got to have Vance Crow on to come talk about it so we can we can discuss why it's important um because it's certainly another way where nothing has to change uh um on either side other than you have to download an app and pull across the Sean Newman podcast which believe me when Joe Rogan switched to Spotify was so angry right I was an Apple guy loved listening on an Apple podcast and I also loved looking at him on YouTube and then he goes to Spotify and I'm you know, and it's funny. I got over it,

and now I listened on Spotify, and it's like, I don't know what I was so upset about, you know, just a little bit of change, I guess. But, yeah, so that's my, my thoughts here this Thursday. If you're wanting to support, pledge on, this will cost you nothing.

It's just a pledge saying you will support in 2024 is the way my brain works. And so if you pledge on the substack, which in the show notes is sitting there. It just kind of goes like, oh, Sean, you're on the right track. The other way is to start listening on Fountain App and certainly, from what I can see,

it's easy. The biggest change is in your brain hardwired to listen to everything on Spotify, Apple, you know, what other ones, Rumbleia, you know, there's all these different spots. And the thing is, it pays you in Satoshi, which is a form of Bitcoin, you know, the smallest form of Bitcoin is kind of the theory.

Anyways, that's a long ramble. I hope your week is going well. Mine certainly is cruising along, and I hope you enjoy the next couple episodes. We've got some interesting people coming on, and let's get to it, all right? Let's get on that tail of the tape brought to you by Hancock Petroleum.

For the past 80 years, they've been an industry leader in bulk fuels, lubricants, methanol, and chemicals delivering to your farm commercial or oilfield locations. For more information, visit them at hancockpetroleum. com.c. He's the owner of Ecogenex Agricultural recycling, better known as grain bag guy. I'm talking about Dallin Leger. So buckle up.

Here we go. This is Dallin Lajir, the grain bag guy, and I'm listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Dallin Lajier. So welcome to the podcast, sir. Wonderful. Thank you so much for having me on. A been following beginning here. So it's kind of an honor to be now on the show. And I hope hope I can give your viewers and yourself some information here that's worthwhile. Well, I was chuckling. The last, I've had two people ever do, I think, if memory serves me, correct, do it out of their vehicle. And one was Big Red, you know, Chris Barber. Obviously, a lot of people out West know exactly who that is.

Probably a lot of Canadians know who exactly that is. And the other one was Drew Weatherhead. He moved his entire family down to the States and then brought them back. Anyways, he does a social disorder podcast. and a ton of people know who exactly who he is. So I always stare at a person sitting in a vehicle. Like, oh, man, why? Just hop in the vehicle, drive to Lloyd Minster.

We'll do it in person. Then I truckload myself because some of, you know, just great interviews have come from the cab of a truck. So let's do this down. I'm excited to have you on. Give the people some background of who you are. And we'll see where we get to. Awesome, awesome.

So I guess I'll start right at the beginning to give you guys some context. I'm originally from Ontario. That's where I was born and raised. Went to high school, met some dairy farmer friends. They introduced me to the agriculture world, bringing me out to their farm and milking the cows. And I was 16 years old when that all began.

So my passion for agriculture started to develop when I was young. I wasn't born and raised into a farm life. My parents, you know, they're not farm. I don't think we have any farmers even in the history of the family. And that gave me a different appreciation because I got to learn and experience and witness what it takes to be a farmer. No days off, no time off. You just work.

And it's a rewarding experience. So I fell in love with it. The dream as a kid in Ontario is to come out west. bigger equipment, larger landmass. You know, your typical farm in Ontario might have 500 acres, where out here three fields would equal 500 acres. So came out west at 19 years old, started working on a grain farm,

and I guess started burning plastic on. And that was kind of where my head started spinning and turning. I thought, hey, plastic is recyclable. why am I burning this? Why are farmers burning plastic on the farm? And that's start of, I guess my entrepreneurial journey out west here in Saskatchewan was how do we solve this problem? So I, as a farm kid, I knew nothing about recycling plastic, nothing at all.

I ended up going to Saskatchewan Polytechnic, which is the trade school here, and said, hey, I've got this problem. Would you help me find a solution? And the team moved on board. So that kind of started the foundation of what the next bunch of years of my life would look like. Now, that's kind of the... I was just going to ask, before we get too deep into plastic, the farm,

I am curious. What part of Ontario? And then, of course, the dairy cartel made me chuckle, because if you're going to get into the world of, and I chuckle, because I got a whole bunch of dairy farmers that listen, folks. Anyways, what part, what part Ontario are you talking about? So I grew up in a small town called Tavistock, Ontario, and southwestern Ontario. So we were a small community in the middle of Stratford, Woodstock, and Kitchener Waterloo. It was there. So that was where I was born and raised.

And, you know, it's funny, you don't hear, maybe I'm wrong on this. You don't hear of many kids. So am I under the right understanding you're a city kid, or at least a kid that didn't grow up, you mentioned on a farm, so you're, I would say, more inclined to the city way of life from my thinking. Yeah. You know, Kitchener, Waterloo, I don't even know what the population is there. It's got to be close to a million people by now. So that's where I was born.

That's where I did a lot of my, you know, hanging out and shopping. However, the small town that I grew up in is just our population was maybe 3,000 people. So it was kind of rural folk, right? But, yeah, definitely not a agriculture lifestyle growing up. Well, what is it, you know, what was it then about, you know, most people, when you say you work and you work, every day and certainly having milk cows, you know, right? Like there's no time off in that line of work,

you know, at all. Or, you know, maybe some of the dairy farmers will reach out and say different. But certainly the stories I was told, and it's different now than when I was a kid and certainly when my parents were kids. But they talked about having milk cows and different things, right? And how much work that was and blah, blah, blah. What is it about the hard work?

You know, it's kind of like, the opposite of what people are searching out these days, Dallan. Usually they're like, you know, it'd be nice if I could play NHL, I don't even know what we're at, 24. Does that come out yet? I don't know. Anyways, I don't, anyway, and make a million bucks being the best in that, and I just get to sit back and play a video game. You're inclined to something that I find that, that's fascinating to me. What was it about working your bag off that you're like, this is the life? You know, and again, that's got to be, I'm going to date myself here, but over 10 years ago already, right?

So there was, at that time in our lives, it was rewarding to work hard. It was rewarding to put those hours in and get that paycheck and be able to go and move yourself forward in life. And it seems that in today's day and age, things have shifted that it's, and maybe there's nothing wrong with that. if you can find easy ways to make money and be able to spend lots of time with your family, then all the power to you, right? But there was just something so rewarding about, and on the farm, especially dairy, it was a love for the animals and the cows, right? This is, these farmers love their animals.

They spend more time in the barn than they do in their own house. I guess you just got to love what you do. I'll agree with you there. two things there. You said you're going to date yourself. Does that mean you're in your 30s or in your late 20s? I'm 31 years old. I think most of the listeners would laugh at that because, you know,

when someone says I'm going to date myself, they're usually, and no offense to anyone who's over 60 plus, but they're like, I don't know if I want to talk about me. Like, you're a young man and I like to sit. I turn 37 here right here. So I think we're both in that same category. So that's funny you say that. You know, an easy way to make money.

I'm not sure there is an easy way to make money. I mean, certainly you win the lottery. Okay, I'll give it to you. And there's probably ways to make money that aren't manual labor. But I don't think there's an easy way to make money. Because if you do something you hate, no matter how easy it is, in theory, and by easy, I think we're both saying you don't have to go out and, you know, sweat your bag off or work long hours or, you know, work every weekend.

And you kind of get the idea. I think a manual labor. But I've done those jobs. And they can eat away at your soul just as much as going out and, you know, grabbing a shovel and having to shovel out a barn or, you know, whatever the manual, you know, dad and the brothers run a trucking company. And some days you just like, you know, throwing some slings, tying down a load and driving, you know, without all the BS of some of sitting behind.

a desk and doing that type of monotonous labor. I'm not so sure there's easy. I think that's an idea, though, that certainly at times you're like, oh, well, if I just got this job and make a boatload of money, I'd work four days a week, and eventually, you know, I'm hardly even working. That'd be great. And then you get there and the stress and all the BS that comes with it. I don't know.

I see a ton of people walk away from that. Yeah, yeah. No, I do agree with you there. So now tell me you you are an entrepreneur then is what you're kind of basically telling me. Yes? Yeah, yeah. I look back even the start of my life when I was a kid. Started DNA services at 12 years old while I was still in public school.

I feel the entrepreneurial spirit and journey has always been with me. I was born to solve problems and yeah, you betcha. the grain bag guy you know like it's uh it's you what i love about an entrepreneur or somebody who usually can see a problem is uh it's it's just so evident right like it's just it's like there is a hole here what are we doing here so lead me through this you see the problem you go to the polytech they go we're going to help you what happens after and walk us through some of the things that go on. You betcha. So I ended up

working with the research chair professor there at SaskPolly, and he had 30 plus years in the plastics industry from recycling to manufacturing to looking at new innovative products. So this was

the man, the brains behind the project essentially. I had, I don't want to downplay my brain, but obviously a research chair professor. He's got higher level of his brain thinks different ways than mine does. So I was very excited to begin working with Satya. Basically what we were working towards is something called a biocomposite pellet,

which is the future of plastic. And what that is is taking your normal plastic, which is oil. You know, oil is just, that's all plastic really is to recycle. it, you melt it back to its oil state and back to its melting point. It basically looks like spaghetti and then you chop it up into pellets. So during that process, when I say a biocomposite pellet, we're going to be adding fiber to the plastic to make that plastic stronger, lighter, and more durable, which is kind of a sustainable, futuristic way that this plastic is going is how can we use, um,

less oil to make the same type of product, right? And that's kind of what we're doing here. So there was, he holds 12 patents with a very large agriculture company. And I don't want to name drop just because of the, the court situation. I mean, this is about me, right? But he's got 12 patents with a huge ag company based in Saskatchewan here. And we were hoping to be able to manufacture the parts based off these

patents for this large egg company right here in Saskatchewan. So that was kind of what we were working towards. However, the government of Saskatchewan had different plans. And when I say that, they brought in a regulation

in 2018 called the Agriculture Packaging Product Waste Stewardship Regulation. Dear God, they did not call it that. Oh, they did. They narrowed it rate down in the most specific way possible to target grain bags, to target plastic used on the farm. So before you go any further, at this point, are you already working with farmers to remove their grain bags and do things? Or is this after 2018 you start doing this and run into this? I can't

even say that word mumbo-jumbo that you just said. Great question. The business began in 2017. I believe the starting date that I kind of opened up my doors in the shop that we had rented was March 15th of 2017. It wasn't a few months later that I began working with Sask Polly and started progressing. Meanwhile, picking up plastic on the farm. So this reg. I apologize. This is why I wish you, you know, it's always better when people are in person, folks.

But so now in terms. 2017, March 15th, just paint a picture for me and for the farmer around here or around wherever they're at, you know, across Canada. You're going out to their farm and saying, hey, listen, I'll take care of all your plastic, which is we're talking like anything from probably silage to like what everything, just everything plastic that they use and is waste and they burn. And all you're doing is just taking it and they just give it to you and you haul it away and go recycle it and get paid for that.

Am I breaking that down to about the easiest way? You are. Specifically, initially we were focused on grain bags because they're the biggest, multifaciest form of plastic. You know, one grain bag alone could weigh 450 pounds. We're talking 20,000 grain bags a year in Saskatchewan. So that's 8 million pounds of plastic in one product.

So that's where I was initially focused on. And saying that, growing to net wrap, silage wrap, bail wrap, chemical jugs, old water tanks, you name it. Once we had that equipment in place. So we basically, I put an ad out there on Facebook. And I said, hey, we're coming. We've got a trailer. We've got a truck. We'll come out to your farm and deal with the plastic.

And the first guy that reached out to me had 80 grain bags. in Foam Lake, Saskatchewan, and that was our first job that we ever did. And from there, I couldn't keep up. We picked up

a million pounds of plastic in our first year with a single one-ton truck and a 30-foot trailer. Holy. Okay. So, this sounds brilliant,

honestly. And I have to laugh at myself. I'm like, what type of plastic were you picking up? I have the name right in front of me, Sean. It says the grain bag guy. Like, as soon as you said it, I'm like, I'm a moron. You know, it's like some days folks, I'm like,

how did I ever land here? You know, it's like sitting ranked in front of Sean, and this is some days Sean is dense. Okay. This sounds very, like, honestly common sense. Like, wow, this is a smart business model. You're going to, and you're going to help farmers out. They're getting rid of some of their waste that they don't know what to do with,

but a ton of farmers use, as you pointed out. So what happens? Where does the issue start? The issue really starts with lobby companies, non-profit corporations that aren't based in our province. And as I mentioned, this regulation. So Prop Life Canada, which is a huge lobby organization that represents farmers. And they're made up of the bears, the Richardson. the BASFs, all the major ag companies out there,

they're supposed to be representing farmers' interests. And they're all part of crop life. Now, Crop Life Canada is just one founding organization, I guess, in Canada. But Crop Life International is what I'll call the parent organization, right? And they hold numerous, there's Crop Life Africa, Crop Life India. It's every country has their own crop life. So this is a very big organization that began lobbying our provincial government. And what I can find is that lobbying began in 2015, 2016, with MLA's Scott Moe, Bradwell, and Lyle Stewart were the three that were being lobbied to bring this regulation into effect.

Little did we know that this was going on. it wasn't talked about in the public. It wasn't public knowledge. So again, 2017, I had started, I was on to something. I was picking this plastic up and 2018 comes around and I find out this regulation came into effect. And I'm now non-compliant. Okay. I am now...

Before you go, what does the regulation state? What is it saying to you? So this basically, and it's a fairly long document, a bunch of fluff. Somehow they figured out and make a long document on how to recycle grain bags. But what they did is they named Saskatchewan grain bag retailers as first sellers. So what that means is anybody that sells or distributes a grain bag in Saskatchewan is now considered a first seller. It doesn't matter if you're in Alberta retailer and a Manitoba. If you're from PEI, if you're selling grain bags into Saskatchewan, you are now considered a first seller.

You must participate in a government-approved recycling program, and you must charge your customers a recycling fee and remit that fee to the approved program recycler. So that was the nuts and bolts of this regulation. What they tried to do is prevent grain bags from being burnt and buried. I can see the intention of what they tried to achieve. But unfortunately, like we see, when government gets involved in things, it doesn't always go as smooth as they like it to have gone. And in my opinion, they created a problem.

They put a price on waste thinking that that would encourage people to recycle their product. I don't know about you, but I think we're getting sick of being taxed and fees added on to a product to try to do the right thing. We're looking for a simple solution to be part of the right thing. We don't want to be forced into it. And that's what this regulation did. So in 2018, I guess I should say, 2017, I started just recycling grain bags. And I realize, you know, we have a really busy season starting in about March, April, May, when the snow is melting, the farmers are getting ready for seating. And there is grain bags scattered all across the prairies.

So we would be out right now in this time of year rolling up all these grain bags. so the farmer can go directly into the field and seed. We would get that job done for him. But I realized what am I going to do for the next eight months of the year? You know, I was a very seasonal job, so I began selling grain bags and selling other products, which then put me into a position of having to comply to this program. What that means is for every grain bag I sell,

I have to charge a non-refundable recycling fee and I have to remit 100% of that money to an organization in Ontario called Clean Farms. Clean Farms was not willing to provide any of that money back to me for doing the work for collecting that bag, which left a problem. How was I going to get paid? I had to then start charging the farmer

for me to come out to the farm to do the work, which was fine. And they needed a service. They should pay for that service. But the problem arise when a nonprofit was collecting money for a job that they weren't completing. You know, our farmers were getting scurred here. And I decided, hey, I need to stand my ground. I need to fight for my customers in the agriculture industry.

And not sign on to this program. Now, I'm going to skip forward here. So we've got 2018, 19, 19, 2020, I was selling under a Saskatchewan grain bag retailer that was compliant in the program. So he looked after the invoicing. He charged that. He applied the fee to the invoice. The customer paid it.

It went back to the retailer. They remitted the fee. So while I was being vocal and saying, hey, this is wrong. I was still in compliance. The government didn't have an angle to come after me. I was simply educating the public. Now, in 2021, I decided to plant my feet down and order my bags on my own, be my own retailer, and not submit the fee to clean farms in Ontario.

I did charge the fee to keep an even playing field for other grain bag retailers. You know, I didn't think it would be fair for me to be significantly cheaper than everybody else and create this unfair advantage. But what I was doing is I said, hey, this recycling fee will go to a credit to the cost of my service. Now what that means is if I come out to your farm, Sean, and it costs me $500 to get out there, that's what I'm going to bill you. But you pay $500 in a recycling fee. Well, you've paid for that service then.

Right? Those bags are recovered. that fee went where it was supposed to. The bags are off to be recycled. All is good. If you had the capabilities to collect the bags and bring them back to me, I would refund that money back to you. Provide that incentive to make sure that these bags are recovered.

That was what I was working towards, and the government said, no, no, no, not going to happen. Any questions based off that, Sean? There's a lot of information in there, so. you have went to war against the machine is exactly how I look at it and it sounds to me and uh well I can hear just so many farmers going this makes complete sense I can hear so many people going this makes complete sense the problem is it doesn't matter how much complete sense it makes you know I um you know Mikeuzmis never got this put through but I remember them talking about and then I remember having an

MLA on the show to talk and I brought it up and what he was talking about is you know like in Alberta we have a problem with healthcare you know like just a whole bunch of things and he goes if we were proactive we would screen people early

for cancer for you know a whole different thing and if we could treat it early then you wouldn't have the you know all this you wouldn't be chasing your tail at the end right makes perfect sense to me. I was like, that's a brilliant idea.

And so, you know, even in the first debate, the first national provincial debate or whatever televised one, Daniel Smith brought it up. And I was like, wow, if she went, maybe this will happen. And then I talked to an MLA and he talked about while AHS and the government can control it. You know, we can do this. And I'm like, no, you can't. Because you need entrepreneurs and private industry to do things that are just like,

simple, effective, go to get it done, and help improvise, or not improvise, improve efficiencies and a whole bunch of different things. Like, we just, that's what the West is built on. So when you talk about this, I'm like, whew, like, you're fighting a mountain right now, or, you know, and I don't know, I think you've laid it out quite well, to be honest. You've found a glitch in the system where they've put in this long, giant sustainability.

I can't even remember what the hell you said because like when I hear these, they're everywhere now,

you know? Tanner Nadei said you don't, the big laws give you freedoms, the little ones take it away. When I listen to them live

say that, I was like, oh wow. Like that, that's, yeah, because all these little long,

you know, we're doing it for the environment. It's like, okay. Well, if we're really about the environment,

let some guys figure this out and let's get on with it. Instead, we put these big things in place because they want control and it's tax dollars and it's this and it's jobs and it's everything and it is just messy and here we sit. That's my thoughts. Well, and that's just it. You know, I'm not a green nuthead.

You know, I never threw garbage out my truck window driving out on the highway. I do my best to recycle. And, you know, I lived my life in a way that I felt I was. to a healthy environment, right? And that's all we really need to do is just make a conscience effort to make a difference in that aspect of things. But the government and outside, you know,

you look at WEF and the United Nations, it's almost like they're labeling us as viruses of the planet. You know, we're just, we're destroying this planet. And it's created this, well, I think the agriculture packaging product waste stewardship regulation is a prime example of that is, is they enacted a law to combat the environmental issue. But let's look at this here. The year that I was charged, I sold 221 grain bags. That was the drought year. It was a, it was a terrible year for farmers. But I picked up over 400. So I had a 200% plus recovery rate of plastic. Now we look at clean farms.

in their annual report in the exact same year, 64% recovery rate of plastic while they were paid for 100% of the job. So you've got a law, and then you've got an entrepreneur. And the entrepreneur had a heck of a better success rate here. But I'm blocked from continuing. And I'm blocked because, in my opinion,

I am a threat to the revenue of clean farms. I am a threat to all the money that was spent to develop this program, to develop this regulation. Here's this young guy who was 26 years old at the time. We walked in here and just completely opened up the gates on them. And I feel that, you know, well, 2017, I started talking to the government in Saskatchewan, 2018, 2019, 2020. never had one official meeting with an MLA or environment minister. Not one. Meaning they won't meet with you or they won't meet with you?

They would not. I never had one meeting. The closest I got, and ironically, the environment minister, I'm going to call him my neighbor. He lives just 20 minutes up the road. I'm actually in his riding by about two kilometers from the York.

worked in riding. I am in Warren Cating's constituent riding here and he was the environment minister at the time. He would drive past my property. I'll bet you once every week. He knew exactly who I was.

I never once spoke to that man on the phone. Publicly, nothing. What I had to do was go through his assistant and I believe his name was Rick McIntyre. And you know, at the time these guys I thought were good.

You know, I had no issues with them. I also believed the best of my government at that point in time. It wasn't until I took part in the Freedom Convoy, went to Ottawa, that I really seen the true capabilities that our government has. And that gave me a reality check as to possibly why I was ignored for so many years. But I got to the point where it was finally Rick said, okay, put a presentation together and

we'll get you a meeting with Warren. Warren Cating, the Minister of Environment. I was so excited. We put together a presentation. It was awesome. I'm actually going to present it on Mark Frieson's show here coming up just so people can see what I wanted to give to the government and what I had to offer

the people of this province. But what I got back in return, was an email from Rick saying, we have to review your presentation before we could set the meeting. And I was frustrated. I forwarded that email off to the people I was working with. And I said, how the how does this make any sense that I have to give them all my information before I have a chance to talk to them? But, you know, hindsight's 2020 at that point in time, I thought, okay, I'm making a step forward. This is what I have to do. Let's let's, let's, let's send them this presentation.

Well, I got an email back saying, hey, we're going to have a meeting with you, but it's with the enforcement division of the Ministry of Environment. It's with clean farms, and it'll be with yourself. And I'm sitting here thinking, why did I get a meeting

with an organization from Ontario that's benefiting from this regulation? It was not about a conversation. It was about compliance. It was always no Dell and you can't operate with never a reason other than we have to protect the sustainability of the current program. Which to me tells me that they are scared of me. They do feel I'm a threat because if I start picking up this plastic

and eliminate the need for clean farms, it's a million dollars a year out of their pockets. And then we look at Alberta and we look at Manitoba. who they're currently lobbying their governments right now. We're talking millions of dollars a year of farmers' money going to a nonprofit that doesn't have to. They're going to fight like hell to keep that money flowing into their pockets. That's, I think the,

the binding agent here of what's happening, we go a little deeper and I know a lot of people don't like this, you know, conspiracy side of things and I just say, hey, take your stupid hat off now because we've seen over the last few years that this stuff isn't conspiracy. You just have to take an attitude check and realize that things I don't like are happening and what can I do about it instead of saying it's not happening and ignoring it. We've got here, Prop Life International on their website or EndCropLife Canada, all of them are committed. to the UN Agenda 2030 and the Sustainable Development Goals. So I started digging a little further.

And we've got Crop Life International, and the FAO, which is the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, sign a letter of intent on October 2, 2020, to be working together towards the Sustainable Development Goals. and the two names on that signature, a fellow named Q. Dungia, and he's the Director General of the FAO of the United Nations. He's a Chinese diplomat.

And then we've got Julia D. Tomaso, the president of CEO of Crop Life International, who's connected to the world economic form. So I look at this as we have foreign entities influencing our provincial government, our provincial leaders, to enact policy that benefit them, but have no benefit to our Saskatchewan farmer or our business owners like myself,

who is now in a court of law, you know, charged. I haven't even got to that part yet, but threatened with millions of dollars of fines. Because of outside influence, because of these foreign entities saying, hey, this is the direction we need to go. it's madness it's utter madness and i i look at i look at this agreement i look at everything that's happening and i'm still trying to figure out why i never had a meeting with an mLA or a minister

well this agreement i think answers that they have commitments with these outside organizations to do exactly this it doesn't matter what i think and what i feel and what i was doing because this is the direction we're going. Have you heard of, I assume you have, the Sask United Party? You betcha. I was at their launch event at Prairie Land Park when they,

just, what was that a month or so ago? Have you talked to, you know, it's funny, like, people listening to this are like, if they're taking a check mark, Dallon, right? I'm going, check, check, check. Oh, he's a freedom convoy guy.

Check, check. Now, in saying that, my audience is quite lovely. So as far as, you know, people checking us both off and putting us in this right-wing, you know, Natso category, I hear all that and I go, oh, the people you need to, the people you need to go talk to are the Sask United because I don't think they'll look at you with, like, you're crazy at all. I think they'll be like, yeah, we should talk about this because it pains me to hear that, you know, It really pains me to hear that MLAs aren't talking to their constituents, especially when, you know, they may look at you like you're being difficult.

But at some point, I think we all need to become a little more difficult because where we're heading is this crazy land of 2030, where if we were truly worried about the planet, we would allow entrepreneurs to do what they do best and solve problems. Instead, we're not allowing that. We are being dictated to by government, and as you have so eloquently pointed out, by influence from giant organizations like the United Nations, like the WEF. And I don't think you're shocking anyone on this show at this point. It's like, it's just a, you know, it's like, you know, what's the difference between conspiracy and the truth? Some will say three months, some will say six. It doesn't much matter. You get the point.

and you've just become another citizen journalist almost in your way of just digging a little bit and finding out, oh, this goes way higher than any MLA, this goes way higher than the SaaS government, this goes beyond our borders. And I mean, look at the Trudeau scandal, or I mean the liberal scandal, I guess, right now, with the elections and everything. You know, like, it's just, this is where we're at. And, you know, the more people I talk to that have been paying attention to this for longer than I have. They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, welcome to the club. What are we going to do about it?

You know, and well, talking about it and letting people know who the grain bag guy is is a start. Now, what on earth are you charged with? So I was charged with noncompliance of a regulation. So again, we'll name it. It's mumble, jumble, but the agricultural packaging product waste stewardship regulation. Can we just say they probably spent a million dollars on that name? You know, the government probably sat around and was like, or maybe the WF, I don't know. They sat around and probably just like, you know, what do you want to call this thing? Let's give it this big grand name. And, you know, if you've never heard the thousand other names that have come to the government over like the last year, I swear, this just fits right in line with all of them.

They're trying to explain it. Anyways, I'm, yeah, carry on. It's, yeah, it's craziness. So what ended up happening? I was in non-compliance is what they like to say, because my name and signature was not on a clean farms program, which is who the government approved to operate, this nonprofit out of Ontario.

And I just simply refused to participate in that. So what ended up happening is the conservation officers started to poke around. And the reason conservation officers is because it's the Environment Act, right? So that's who they have to do the enforcement. And I'll never forget. I was on my way to Alberta. This has got to be, well, yeah, probably two years ago now. And I got a phone call from a buddy of mine who was dropping off his truck here on my farm property at my shop.

And he says, the CEOs are walking around your yard. He said, well, that's weird, you know. And so he ended up going up and talking to him. He said, hey, I'm so-and-so. And the officer said, you know where Dallon is. He said, well, he's not here. You know, did you check the house? And he said, yeah, we knocked on the door.

There was no answer. And the guy says, well, he's probably not home. Like, you know, you should probably go back to the road and get on your way. It wasn't until he went up and started talking those officers that they left. Now, they took a bunch of pictures. They were snooping around the yard. And then my phone rings about an hour later from me. Sergeant Colleen Reddicop

with the Ministry of Environment and she says, hey, we're in the area, we'd like to have a sit down with you in a meeting. And I said, well, that's funny. You were already in my yard taking pictures. What the heck were you doing there? You know, and I busted her. It's like I could tell

her face just went bright right over the phone. What were you guys doing in my yard when I've got a no trespassing sign up on my laneway coming in? Why didn't you? Why did you snoop around my property without calling me first. Why did you call me afterwards?

And that was kind of the start of okay things. Things aren't adding up here. This is weird. And then I had another officer show up. Actually, it was calling again. And this time in person here at the house. And, you know, the fine under this Environment Act, it's a million dollars per day.

And up to three years in jail for, recycling or for being non-compliant, you've got to sign on of this program. You're going to ruin your life here. Just doing whatever she could to make this go away and make me sign my name on the dotted line. Well, I didn't. Again, I'll mention the convoy,

and we will mention all the tactics they tried to use. It wasn't until the very end that it got ugly, but it's all intimidation and fear and these control tactics to make us go away. I didn't fall for that. So, a little bit later, I got two more COs show up on my property, this time with paperwork.

And I was charged retroactively 365 days, which at a million dollars a day, which would be $365 million, and up to three years in jail. For recycling upwards of four million pounds of plastic, for solving a problem, but not doing it the way the government wanted me to do it. So I'm in court. I pled not guilty. I think I'm on my 11th court date so far. I just had one on Monday.

I'm not falling for the intimidation and the fear. I'm standing on a foundation of I am a good person. I solved a problem and I'm actually contributing to cleaning up our environment. I've said from the get-go, I think the wrong party is in court. When I have an over 200% recovery rate, clean farms has 64%. But I'm the ones having to spend thousands of dollars on lawyers and have my business shut down under threat of further fines of a million dollars per day.

Insanity. You're telling me you're getting $365 million? dollars? That's, that's, how do I put this now? Yes, that's what they were threatening me with. That is what the Environment Act states is the fines. Do I feel I will be found guilty in a fine of 365 million? No. No, I don't. So I want to be honest with that. But still down. That's, like, we do this lovely show every Tuesday where we go through the headlines and we talk about all these lovely things that are not so lovely. And one of the things that comes up over and over again is how, like, violent criminals are

pretty much let back out and, well, hopefully you don't reoffend. And then they go reoffend and kill someone. And everyone's like, well, how did that happen? And it's like, well, I mean, it's literally, you know, and then you hear this and you're like, this is like, this is, this is something. Like, this is something. You know, me and you have been bouncing this idea around for how long now? Has it been five months?

Has it been longer? Like, I can't remember. when you first, when I first heard about this, I was like, yeah, like, yeah, let's talk about it. But this is, this is wild. Like, people need to know about this. Farmers are going to be like, what? None of the, like, this is, you know?

And it's, it's crazy, Sean. I go into the courtroom and the pressure that I have, oh my gosh, they're pushing so hard. I'm getting court gates two, three weeks apart from one another. It's like I murdered somebody. It's like they need to, they need to find this guy. They need to find him

guilty and put them in jail. Yeah, but you already said to me, outsider looking at it, I look at it and I go, you are up against the machine. So not only like you're against an entity that is Goliath on steroids, but you're also up against very big money. So you said it's a million dollars a year and they're pressuring Alberta and all these different things. If they lose this, if somehow you squeak away, they know what that, like, we all.

all know what this means, you know, this is like one of those moments where it's like, somebody stood their ground and it's either going to go one way or another. They're either going to put you in jail and find you a bunch of money and wouldn't that be the, like, that doesn't even make sense in my head, just me personally. Well, and you look at, we're all the same. We can all relate to this. You go to the grocery store, you look at your receipt, and you'll see recycling fee, recycling fee on a lot of different products. Ask yourself, you have a recycling service for what you're paying for. And you usually don't.

And I'll go back to the farm level now again. You've got your oil, your filters, your tires, your, you name it, the amount of recycling fees that you're paying as a farmer. But you have no service for it. Where does your used oil go? Well, in the back 40. Maybe it goes into the wood, the oil burning furnace for the shop. And that's great.

You're finding means to reuse it. but there's a non-profit organization that is making bank off of you for those recycling fees and not offering any service to you. I have an opportunity here with this fight to open up a can of worms. We've got, I met a guy in Alberta that takes waste plastic and makes two by fours and two by sixes, you name it, plastic lumber. And I'm going to go back. to COVID times here, but he was paying $250 per ton for waste garbage.

Okay, so this is a guy that's got a solution that now has to buy garbage to make a product. Well, during COVID, his cost for waste plastic went up to nearly $1,000 a ton, nearly four times the price of what it was prior to that. And now this guy had a hard time selling his product. because it was too expensive. What I'm getting at is you've got all these non-profit organizations in the middle, collecting millions of dollars of money

in the name of recycling, leaving guys like myself and this other fellow with a problem when we have a solution. We have customers wanting to buy our product. But if we can't sell it because the cost to manufacture is so high, then we're left with the same problem. If the middleman isn't getting his shirt, share, then there's a problem, right?

You look at this case specifically. I've got an email from the government saying you can go collect plastic on the farm. You can do that all you want. Well, what, clean farms is then getting paid their fee when I'm doing the work? That doesn't make sense. You're putting the onus on the farmer then to have another expense on the farm when he's already paid for something. Just pay the middleman, just grease the week.

wheel and then you can keep on doing what you're doing. While compliance enables corruption, we've seen that. And I've decided that instead of passing the buck on to my customer, which many businesses do and no fault of their own, they decided that's what they want to do. I've decided that's not what I want to do. I want to stand up for my customers. You might if I ask, you know, certainly the Freedom Convoy opened my eyes to a lot of things. I mean, the freedom convoy happens after like two years of like, what are we doing, right?

For a young guy with one would argue a lot to lose, what was the, I don't know the word here. Is it the wisdom? Was it the moment? What was it that made you go, I just can't do this. Like I have to, like, I got to stand against this. Because like, you know, for every. one, it comes in a different shape and form in their life of the moment where they're like, I'm just not going along with this anymore.

Like, this is done. And then they have a pivotal moment where they have to choose. And, you know, nobody knows what the ramifications will be in the future other than probably most likely at least a clean conscience of like, well, I'm just not doing this. But for you, Dallan, like, what was the moment where you're like, okay, I'm done with this? honestly for me it was the convoy and and i want to explain that a little bit because it does have such a negative effect on some people right um i went through the last couple years prior to the covid we were living through crazy times right and and i i didn't want to be told

what to do i wanted to look at the evidence and i wanted to take my time and see you know what's happening out there and things weren't adding up in my head and that's we all have our own right to believe what we want to believe and and research what we want and the great thing about being in Canada here and and things weren't adding up for me I felt alone I have family that works in healthcare the things that they were seeing um when the round of shots came around and I believe she said it was 17 residents at the long long-term care home died in the first two weeks. These things that were not being told to the public were just fueling my fire inside of me, right?

And then I see a video out on TikTok that says, we're going to Ottawa, we're going east, and I still didn't just jump on the bandwagon. I had to figure it out for myself. It wasn't until a week prior. I said, okay, I'm doing this. I'm going. when I drove east, the amount I'm still almost shaking right now talking about it, but the amount of people on the side of the roads, to me, they represented what I felt like

for the past two years. These people are standing there in minus 30, sharing us on as we went east to say, look, you represent me. I'm standing here because I can't go. You represent me. And then when I got to Ottawa, and I've seen the hundreds of thousands, if not million people, you know, nobody knows how many people were there.

We can't grasp that many people. But I realized that we weren't alone, that we needed to stand up. And maybe these feelings I felt all along of this doesn't sound right just got validated. I want to think back even to growing up as a kid, you know, my father and I, we don't have the best relationship. And I don't know why. But I remember growing up, and he was awake. He was talking about all these different things.

And I thought, oh, Dad, you're just, you're a wacko. You know, and I think that almost divided, created this initial divide. He wasn't a wacko. He's seen this stuff coming from a mile away. And a lot of these older guys have been telling us this for many, many years. And we were too complacent to listen. And we dismissed them. I almost think the freedom convoy was that tipping point to say no, there's some massive corruption going on here.

So it validated myself and my thoughts. It made me say, you know what, these people in government that are supposed to represent us don't represent us. And once you understand and accept that, you realize they're not working for us either. they don't have our best interest at heart. So, yeah, that was a big tipping point for me. Yeah, I think, well, there's a moment in time where you can't unsee certain things, right? Good and bad, right? Good and bad.

And for the Freedom Convoy, certainly I share your sentiment when you're traveling the roads in Ontario and tell us story of laws. Because somewhere behind you or in front of you, I don't know, I was there. and I can't remember where it was from. I think it was from Sue St. Marie to Arm Pryor, I think. That drive was supposed to take like, I don't know, six hours. It took 17. And you're like, well, why was that? Well, because people were standing out everywhere and stopping trucks and standing in front on the highway

and making sure they could say hi and give you food and everything else. It's like, I don't think I could ever grasp what that, you know, like, it just gave hope to an entire country over. Like maybe there is a way out of this. And, you know, that's, that's the thing about the, the predicament you're in being, uh, standing up for something that is going to be. Because you're not, here's the thing in my eyes. You're not the only one doing this.

Certainly when it comes to recycling farm waste, I haven't heard anyone, uh, going against the machine. I've heard other other ones though, you know, like, uh, I, I really think of, uh, Jocelyn Berziak at this point. And I almost wonder folks if the next SMP shouldn't be at some point, not the rebels, but stand against the machine and hear the different stories of just everyday people that are taking a stand and people need to know what they're doing. Because by yourself, man, I don't know how you overcome this. Because you know what, like in my mind, they're going to, they're going to, they're

going to try and sink you in like laws and this is the law and blah blah blah and this is why and I mean whatever but as I just told Wayne Peters you know one of the the things that just shocked me about COVID this is like I still think about this awful lot right looking at it can you try to of rights and freedom staring right at me and it didn't matter because the majority of human beings in Canada didn't care about it they wanted this is what they're doing this is what And so our laws, although sitting there, meant nothing. So I look at this and I go, they're going to try and drown you in the law. This is what it says.

And yet I know that if majority of people know your story and go, yeah, we don't care about that, get that out of here. They have no choice. They literally have no choice just to be like, whoop. So regardless, I appreciate you coming on and doing this and sharing some of your story and allowing some people to hear it, including my because I don't know what to do with it other than I hope it hits a farmer or somebody and you know and it sets off a chain of events that I certainly can't predict but before I let you out of here is there anything more down you're like oh we I should bring up this point because I mean as it sits right now you're in court you're being sued for or charged

charged not sued charged with an ungodly amount of money time in jail etc What else? Like, we have plenty of time. I just don't want to, if there's other things, fire them at me. Okay, I got just two things here I want to touch on. And that is, I'll go here, I guess. So I've told you guys the story. Where is this plastic going?

What's being done to it? I'll just touch base on that. So I started working with the outfit out of the U.S. They are the leading agriculture plastic. cycling facility, 200 million pounds a year. So I have an agreement with them to accept all the plastic I collect. I also went down there, I believe it was 2019 to visit with them. We had a meeting. They said, Dallin, what do you think of turning a grain bag back into a new grain bag? And I said, you guys nailed it. That's what farmers are saying. That's what needs to happen.

but I don't have those capabilities. Well, they do, and they did it. You know, they spent hundreds of millions of dollars to buy the equipment to take a grain bag and turn it back into a new grain bag. I have a piece of paper that makes me the Canadian dealer for this company, giving the farmers exactly what they want. So I have a closed loop recycling system

that's in place right now. My hope, you know, I bought, this 40 acre property the year before I was charged or just before I was charged, I moved here. I had 50,000 square feet of space ready for all the recycling equipment to build a facility locally. We're talking a million dollars to buy all the equipment we need to 8 million pounds a year of plastic to potentially generate upwards of $16 million per year. Hell of a business opportunity. I get then turn around. on and say, hey, Farmer Joe, I'll start paying you for your plastic.

When they spend $1,500 a bag and then are charged to get rid of it, you know, it'd be a little better if we could give them some money for that. And that would lead to the ultimate recovery rate of the plastic, which is the ultimate goal here. So that's the angle I'm going with the recycling aspect, just so your viewers kind of understand where the plastic was going, what was doing. being done there and the future of that. Secondly, I just want to touch on the court and my case.

I'm so thankful and excited to share with you guys that Brendan Miller, who represented the truckers through the Emergency Act hearing, is my lawyer for this case. He has taken this on. And that's incredible. He took this on about two months ago now. We've had two court dates with Brendan so far, and we're just working on things. No matter what interview I do, I don't discuss court stuff just because I know government is watching me like a hawk.

So I can't wait to share the ins and outs once this is over with you guys. But Brendan Miller is representing me. I do have a give, send, go. as you mentioned that this is the taking on the giants here my business was shut down you see I'm in my truck here every day I'm working I'm doing what I can

but if anybody that does want to contribute there is a give send go the easiest way just go to your search platform and type give send go no what we'll do is you're going to text me the link after we're done and I'll put it in the show notes that way if people want they can just scroll down click on it and then

it's right there. That way they don't have to go search in anything. And so folks, when you hear this, it'll be in the show notes and just, yeah, go down and you can see the give and send go right there. Awesome, awesome. So that's about it. Any funds that do go to give send go,

do go to Brendan Miller. It's not for my money to replace not being able to work. You know, this is going to Brendan Miller to be able to do what needs to be done on the legal side of things. And give us the best chance here. are winning this. I truly believe that this is part of the sustainable development goals, the UN Agenda 2030,

the World Economic Forum. I think this is all related. And if we can get a win in this case, that just sets a precedent. It gives us a little bit of a fighting chance moving forward. It is very important, I feel. You know, I don't know the ins and outs of exactly, you know, of everything you're certainly going through and that type of thing, but it's funny. We get so focused on the W.E.F.

and the UN and all these different things, right? That's the conspiracy part. But the way we get impacted as just everyday folks is what you're doing, like how you're being impacted, right? And everyone's like, well, let's go after the WEF and everything else. It's like, nothing's going to happen there. But in your local community, in your province, there's stories like this unfolding right now

that if are turned, can turn for the best. and can certainly open up opportunities and not only, you know, like you talk about how much plastic and how much money and everything. I'm like, I feel like the other thing that a government would love to hear is it's probably going to generate, I don't know, good paying jobs, right? Like I'm just going to take a stab and say that Down is going to have to go hire a bunch of people and a bunch of companies are going to get a ton of work in building this thing and blah, blah, blah, oh, taxes. You're going to have to pay taxes on having it there. Hey, what do I know? I'm no politician. I'm just Sean, the dude from Lloyd, who at times sits and listens to way more people than, you know, Sean should, you know, it's like some days, you know, you hear all these stories and a guy's got to go sit in a quiet room and just unwind because I'm like, this is, this is, I'm really glad we got to do this.

Like, I'm really glad, you, you know, you decided that, I don't know what, you know, at what point you're just like, now, this needs to be talked about. not that we need to go into that. Just that I'm happy that you reach back out and said, let's do it because I hear this. And I'm like, this is, I'm originally from Saskatchewan. And I live right on the border.

And I know a ton of people in Saskatchewan. Good people, hard work and want the best for not only their communities and your family, but the environment too. I mean, you know, like, I don't think they paint this picture.

Like we're all driving around, throwing our everything out the door and, you know, like burning the world down. It's like, no, actually, if you put entrepreneurs towards a task, they'll figure it out.

And actually, they'll probably do a whole bunch for your economy in the meantime. And said, we don't want any of that. We're just, we're on this road of 2030 and we're going to make sure life is difficult. Okay. Well, welcome to the game because some people are waking up and they're going to push back. And I'm glad that Dallin decided to hop on the podcast, folks, and share a little bit about what's going on in Saskatchewan right now. Well, I appreciate that, Sean.

I appreciate everything. At the end of the day, I dated myself at the beginning of this, and now I'm going to call myself a young guy. But I'm 31 years old, a young guy here that feels I have an opportunity to show people what's happening, to hopefully encourage them in their own ways. You know, this fight is very big to me. It could be a small fight on your end, you know,

but if we start standing up and saying, this doesn't make sense and start asking questions and not just getting a no, but making sure you get an answer that makes sense. I think here's the encouraging thing. This is what I take a lot of encouragement from, is I see people standing up all over the country and fighting their battle, you know, and it's like I want to race over and help.

Or I want to race over and help, you know, Bruce Party comes to mine out in Ontario. Or I want to race over and help. it's like no I've got to worry about things going on in my community and Down's got to worry about things going on and his you know it doesn't mean we can't support each other we absolutely should

but we also have to realize that you know you can you can wear yourself out by racing across the country trying to solve everybody else's problems and half of them don't need that they just need their community to support them and but part of that is is the community got to know has to know that it's going on right So like the people that should be, you know, like going, what was it?

What was down saying? And they're like, to me, it's like Saskatchewan farmers. Like they should hear that and be like, wait a second. So this is going to help us sustainable, like environmentally. In the end, you're going to pay us instead of us having to pay more, right? And we're going to get, you know, a closed loop recycling in a sense on grain bags. It's like, I don't know. It seems like a win, win, win.

And isn't that what we're supposed to be looking for? Except, you know, except, you know, the last three years has happened. And that's the cynical part. And Sean coming out, it's like, yeah, well, we know, we know that isn't it. But either way, now I'm rambling. Yeah, you know, it's funny. If you're in and we were having a coffee, we probably would have went for four hours because it's just, it's easy to sit and have a BS session.

Well, let's finish on this. The crewmaster final question. And folks, I'm going to implore the audience to help me on this because by the time Dallan's done, I don't know if I need to ask him, he stands behind. And sorry, Dallin, I'm talking to you, but I'm kind of talking to the audience, so wherever they're driving or where they're washing dishes, here's my question to you sitting there. What do we want the Crude Master, Crude Master final question, to be? Please text me, because I'm just curious if there's a way to do it or if there's something

there that people are more interested in. You get the point. So here is Normally it's what do you stand behind But I asked this question to Wayne Peters A couple days ago And I am going to try and rephrase it here So crewbast, final question

Showed to Heath and Tracy for supporting the podcast For you know, pretty much since the beginning What is the one issue that Dallon looks at right now That is like if we all focused on it We could write the ship So what's the most important issue right now? That's a tough question, yeah. The most important issue right now is getting in touch,

getting this in front of our politicians in Saskatchewan, specifically the MLAs. So this, I just explained to you in an hour what I'm able to achieve. These guys are refusing to listen. And I feel if they were able to listen, they were being onus on them to do something about it. We need to get pressure on our MLAs and government officials to get them back to the table to have these conversations. So that would be, that's honestly the biggest thing that would help me out. We've got the court fight going on. That's its own wheelhouse, right?

It's own ballpark. But at the end of the day, if you have a connection with your MLA, no matter, matter where in this province, you should be having a conversation with them about what we just talked about. That's where this is going to change. Even though I don't have much faith in our government officials, in my heart, I still believe there's some good ones out there willing to stand with the people. And those are the people that we need to find.

They know how the system works. They know there's a lot of bad apples in there. We've got to get in there as good people to replace them. to give us a chance, but let's get this conversation. Let's force this conversation on the government. Well, I appreciate you doing this. And, you know, I'm never disappointed when, folks, when I have somebody sit in the old cab of a truck and give me an interview,

I truckle every time, you know, that's like we're going on like three for three or four for four now. But I appreciate you hopping on down. And if you're ever out this way, you make sure you drop me and don't love to sit and have a coffee or maybe bring you back in and do it properly in, so you can update everybody on where it's at and all those things. But appreciate you coming on and doing this. For sure.

Thank you so much, Sean. Thank you for everybody listening. And I look forward to meeting you in the future and shaking your hand. Thanks for all the hard work you do.