Shaun Newman Podcast - #411 - James Sowrey

Episode Date: April 10, 2023

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Here we go. This is James Sauri, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by James Sari. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on. Thank you for having me. Now, you're going to have to give me some backstory here, because I, you know, it's interesting. I get throwing your name and certainly I've read a little bit about what's been going on,

but I think for the listeners, it'd be great to bring them up to speed. So let's talk a little bit about James and then we'll get into the story. Who is Sir James? James is a rural area living father, two kids, hard worker. Been in the oil field now 18 plus years. Yeah. Where boats you from, James? Central Alberta.

And well, I mean, you end up down at Milk River, correct? That is correct, yeah. on February 9th was the day I went down. Well, rewind the clock for us, if you don't mind. You know, for a lot of people, they either ended up there or they ended up in Ottawa. Maybe they were in a convoy around Emmington or, you know, everybody's got their little bit of a story. So how about you, I don't know, walk us through it and we'll see where we get to. You betcha.

So, yeah, I was working away as I always do. and, you know, the mandates started coming in, different COVID measures and restrictions and lockdowns. And it was a thing that when the mandates came in and they asked everybody to get vaccinated, I didn't see enough proof for it to be safe enough for me. So I chose not to get vaccinated. And because of that, I was restricted,

couldn't go into restaurants, stores, all the above. Even work, it affected work. And so, yeah, I started to follow along the freedom movement and stuff and paying attention. And I had joined a few convoys going to Edmonton and Calgary.

And, yeah, so from there, it led into the Freedom Convoy going to Ottawa. And I had a lot of interest in going. But, of course, the cost of fuel in a big truck and, you know, time off work and everything to do it. I wanted to go, but couldn't afford to go. So once I heard about Coots, I had followed that along.

I got a call from some friends stating that they had placed a fire ban on in the middle of February. And they said they had about two days left before they were out of firewood and going to be squeezed out from the protest. So I figured I could do something here. I put a post up on Facebook looking for firewood donations, went around to multiple different yards and stuff and collected this firewood and loaded into the back of the hydroback. And yeah, close the door.

And from there, we went down to Milk River. So you loaded the hydrovac full of wood? and did I understand that correct? That is correct. Yeah, about seven, eight cords of firewood, stacked it all in there. That would have been an interesting sight, wouldn't it have been? Yeah, yeah, a lot of people were shocked.

Nobody knew when I showed up. I kept it quiet. Nobody had a clue until I got to front lines and spoke to the organizers of the protests there. Well, I'm curious. You know, I've talked to, I think, two different ones. people now about Coots in particular and certainly you know like Ottawa I've lots of different folks but when you were pulling into Coots what did you what did you see

like it kind of paint me a picture because that's one place you know I was in Ottawa I got to see you firsthand what was happening there for somebody who never got close to Coots you know what did you see as you pulled in well a lot of it was was basically what you witnessed down in Ottawa peace loving happy people the kids running around playing having fun i mean food everywhere hugs everywhere it was it was nothing but love down there uh right from the beginning all the way to the end there there was never any sort of violence or or you know discrimination that all walks of life were down there everybody was very very polite loving caring uh lots of emotions tears it was it was good time i i enjoy

every minute of it. And did I read correct? Me and Kim were talking back and forth. Did I read correctly that, like, police officers were great. Everything was like, you know, not kumbaya, but, you know, kind of like not aggressive towards one another, I guess, is kind of what I'm trying to get at. Yeah, no, the police presence down there. The day I got there was very, very positive.

I mean, they stood their ground. They had their block. They didn't want to let us go any farther down. But, I mean, they let us deal with our own situations. They let us do our thing. They didn't get involved. They just kind of stood on their side of the fence, and we stood on ours.

And, I mean, I had multiple conversations with different officers, shook their hands, you know, witnessed. I was parked front line, so I witnessed everything, you know, from kids going. up on Valentine's Day handing out roses to people just in general, you know, going up and giving them hugs and, you know, having a, having a normal everyday conversation. Yeah, that's something, well, none of us will forget, right? I don't see how you can ever forget what you witnessed there.

And I'm certain that's the case for you as well. How many days were you at Coots? I was down there for five days. So I got down on February 9th, and February 14th was the day I left. And I don't know. You know, like, did you have, were you sleeping in your truck, I assume? Yeah. So when I got there on February 9th, they put me right up front lines, right front and center there.

That's where I unloaded the firewood, right in front of the police officers. And, yeah, I slept. across the seats in the day cab hydrab, put a backpack down in the middle and spent my nights there. You know, it's funny. I got to like walk around and had a little handheld recorder, right? So I'm walking, you know, like walking around interviewing all these different people and seeing, you know, what drove them to go across, you know, all of Canada. And some of them were like four people in a car, sleeping in a car. I'm like, how are you doing this? You know, what's spurring you on?

So I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna channel a little bit of what Sean would ask back then and why James? Why were you I know you you kind of like at the start you kind of lay it out and I know for a lot of people It was all the same things but I'm curiously you know like some people would have went and dropped the wood and carried on some wouldn't even have picked up the wood Certainly some would not have slept in a day cab not that a day cat there's you know it's like can it be done absolutely But that's a little tougher than you know having it having a bunk and everything else. What kept you there for five days? Like, why didn't, you know, just drop and go?

Like, what, you know, I don't know. Just the support from the beginning. I mean, when I got there, yeah, I showed up with Firewood to help everybody because I believed in the protest. I was all about it. But once I got there, you know, kids were coming up to the truck and whining the honk horns. They drew pictures for me. They wrote us letters, you know, thanking us for holding the line for.

them. You know, growing adults would come up and cry and give us hugs and stuff. Like, the love that was there, I felt like that was my place. It was my place to be there. I assume that it was rather hard on day five, I think. You said, day five, you get a, I assume work. I assume work comes a calling and you're like, well, it's time to pick up and go. Yeah, that's correct. So the morning of the 14th there, Valentine's Day, that was the day that a lot of kids came around and handed out roses to all kinds of people, including police officers. I witnessed them, you know, break down in tears and stuff and have to go and collect themselves and get back on duty kind of thing.

Police officers were crying? Yeah. Yeah. So just like I said, the loving the emotions down there was, there was lots. Yeah, that's a cool story. I mean, well, we just don't hear. any of that. I don't know, maybe I've got ears turned off or something, but I haven't, I don't know if I'd heard that before. Yeah, no, it was amazing moments. And, uh, yeah, and I had gotten a call

that morning to, uh, go to work. Um, I felt like, you know what? My time there was done. It was, it was time to go. I, uh, packed up my truck and, uh, said my goodbyes to everybody. Everybody, you know, waving, honking as I was leaving. and as I pulled away I seen a check stop about half a kilometer a kilometer south of Milk River

and I pulled over about 350 meters away to do my pre-trip and logbook and stuff just in case I was pulled over I'd have all my paperwork in order from there I proceeded to go towards this check stop I noticed there was an officer sitting in his car, the only officer in the northbound lanes.

And, yeah, I proceeded to go. Once I got closer to the check stop, he eventually got out of his car, stood beside his driver's door and gave a wave. And I took it as a sign of goodbye, so I kept going. I didn't stop. As I went by, I clipped a pylon, and, of course, middle of February with it being cold, the pylon just blew apart plastic pieces everywhere. And yeah, so after that I pulled over. They followed me down and arrested me, and here we are.

They followed you down and arrested you. They just, I don't know. It's hard to put myself back in that time and place where, although there was a lot of love and different things going on, their tensions were obviously a little high. When they pulled you out of the truck, did you just try to go like, sorry fellas, like I wasn't trying to do anything, or was it like there was no word said? Yeah, so, I mean, there was a total, according to the testimony of the officers and stuff,

there was a total of 300 officers deployed for the Coots of Milk River blockades. There wasn't always 300 there, but there was 300 officers deployed. So, I mean, there was a lot of law enforcement down there. when I got pulled over, I stopped. I got out of the truck and went down on my knees because I wasn't sure what was going to happen. I knew that there was a lot of tensions going on. And yeah, as soon as I got down on my knees, an officer got out of his car behind me, pulled his gun out, and started walking towards me, pointed at me.

Even with you on your knees? Yeah. How unnerving was that? I was scary. I mean, I was saying, I was sorry, I was apologizing. You know, I wasn't sure exactly what for, but I mean, you got a gun pointed at you. You're apologizing. I've never been charged or criminally convicted or anything of the sort. I've never been to this process before. This was all new to me. where um not where um i'm just trying you know i'm just like i'm painting this picture in my head and i'm going okay you're leaving you think the guy's waving you click a pylon do you notice it immediately or do you even do you have any idea you've clipped a pylon um i didn't know right that second i mean when i looked in the mirror you could see the pylon was was crushed so i knew i i

pulled over you know to to to see if anything was damaged and you know the lights were on behind me me it was everything happened within seconds man that's it that's a you know like you uh you you truck drivers drive a lot you know and and you think uh to clip a pylon that's how that's how that's how your five days is gonna not end but certainly uh i don't think that was on the docket of things you were planning on doing no and i'm not sure i'm sure many people especially that are going to be listening to this have driven through construction sites before and i'm sure sure they've witnessed, you know, pylons switched or run over or, you know, whatever. Yeah, sometimes, you know, you have big trucks, big loads.

It happens. I mean, pylons get crushed all the time. That's what they're there for is to kind of remind people where they can be. You know, I, when I, I guess when you look back on it, I'm curious, do you think you're going too fast? Do you think you should have done anything different that would have averted this? I'm just curious. I mean, it's a pile on, folks.

It's not the end of the world. But at the same time, you know, if James could rewind the clock, is there anything you'd do differently? If I could rewind the clock, knowing what I know now, even though I've seen a wave, I probably would have stopped and had a conversation with the officer, just, you know, hey, how's it going kind of thing

and whatever else instead of, you know, continuing on my way. Like I said, he made a hand. gesture and even in court he testified he made a hand gesture but couldn't remember what it was i testified that he made this hand gesture and he never denied it i took it as a sign of goodbye i mean i was already on my way for work i just it was time for me to go home so you know if i could rewind the clock knowing what i know today i would have stopped you know wasted my time and had a conversation with the officer and you know

probably would have been on my way going free and clear and not be in this mess. Well, let's talk about the mess because, you know, when Chris reached out and he said, I think you should interview this, well, James, I was like, yeah, sure, like I guess I, you know, some days I feel like I'm in the know. And other days I feel like I live under a rock. There's just so many things flying around, well, specifically Canada. Sometimes it's hard to keep a track on everything. So what, let's talk about this mess.

Because in my mind, it's like, you know, in my mind, there's some pretty nasty stuff going on in society that seems to allow to persist. And yet, I don't know, a pile on, like I'm listening to the story. I'm trying to pick at it a little bit just to see what else is there, James. Because to me, it's like a pylon, I don't know, like, you know, like, so let's talk. I don't know how much, can you talk everything about what happened in court or is there still some things that kind of got to be. you know, lightly discussed. Yeah, I can speak for the most part. I mean, there is, the court's still going on, right?

I got to appeal and stuff coming up. But, like, during the trial and stuff like that, the officers, there was five officers that testified, six, including the officer, that allegedly I assaulted. But five of them testified that they could not see the incident because the car was in the way. The sixth officer, he testified with a picture of a squash pylon, and he took a picture two weeks ago from today,

I believe it was, in Strathcona County, a whole other city reenacted the scene, parked his car in the industrial area, stood beside his car and placed a pylon out, took a picture, and entered that into evidence as well. The testimonies from all of them were very, disturbing to me. He testified

that he went back to work that afternoon. He testified that he went back to work the next day, the day after that, the day after that. I mean, somebody that's assaulted or scared like that, to me, wouldn't be going back to work right away. But that's just me.

So the amount of doubt in the case, it should have been throwing out right from the get-go, I believe. I mean, others might think different, and obviously because this is where we're at. But when you paint the whole picture and you actually look at it, there was two, I believe,

two or three police cars in the southbound lane. They were all facing to the west. The police car in the northbound lane was also facing to the west. So there's no dash cam footage whatsoever. There's literally a testimony of the police officer, the testimony of myself. Evidence is a squish pylon and a reenactment scene.

And that's the whole case. What are you charged with? I am charged with assault with a weapon and dangerous driving. So the weapon is the hydravac and I assaulted the pylon. I don't even know if I got any question, James. To me, I don't know, what can this guy on this side say to this point? you're the guy living this. I mean, I hear that and I go, like, I don't know.

I'm still shocked even to today, like, how the jury came to that verdict. It does not make sense to me. Obviously, you know, during a trial with a judge and jury, they don't get to hear all the testimonies and stuff. They just get the evidence, right? So they're not in the courtroom for the whole five-day trial. only there for the evidence parts and you know the judges the judges rules to the case so i think i think a part of it has to do with you know not having um i guess counsels stand up

hard to the crown prosecutor as well as a lack of evidence to the whole thing i think it was a mix of everything. It was just just a mess. Like I said, I'm still shocked over the verdict. What do you, like, if you get charged with this, what do you face? I'm not sure what the sentence

will be. I haven't really been told a whole lot. I know maximum sentence is 10 years in jail for assault. Maxim sentence for dangerous driving is an indefinite loss of license. I don't have a criminal history or anything. So I'm 90% sure I'm not going to get that.

But it could be a couple years, parole, house arrest, something of the sort. How are you holding up? Like, I mean, honestly. I have to take it day by day, but I have to stay strong. I have a daughter that's 15 and a son that's 9. I have to be there for them. You know, I live out in the country. I've got a small farm here, so I have to keep things going.

I can't just quit. You know, I got a mom and dad that worry about me all the time. So I have to be a strong person. And I don't know, man, this is something. If there's people out there listening to this, right, which obviously there are, but they're like, is there anything they can do to help? Is there any way to, yeah, I don't even know. Like, have, is there anything that people can do other than, you know, certainly a bunch of us

starting to interview you and get the story shared so people at least know what the heck's going on, right? Is there anything people can do to, I don't know, to help you along? Yeah, so, I mean, obviously I have to get a new lawyer now. I have found one, I believe, but at Calgary, he's expensive, but he's a pit bull. He's ruthless. So I got to come up with a $15,000 retainer to retain him and be able to get the transcript to review the case and find grounds to appeal. And then once that opens up, then the trial is expected to cost somewhere around $60,000 to fight this again.

It's all the money grab. I'm tapped. I've spent everything I got besides, you know, starting to sell off farm equipment and the farm and stuff. So, I mean, we do have, I do have four girls that are helping me out with fundraising, setting up different different GIF send goes to e transfers to Venmo account down in the United States

Yeah I can probably I can probably talk to Kim and get all those and make sure they're in the show notes that way people if they're listening And you know are inclined to help support you They can just go down and take a look and grab a link and and that's nice and easy So that's not a problem I'll get that from Kim You betcha folks if you're listening and yeah and you're wanting to support James, there's links in the show notes. I don't know, man.

Like, I'm, I don't know about you, but sitting in this chair, you know, I keep looking for, like, spots of sunshine, hope. And certainly at times I get them. And then you get you back on and I don't, well, not back on. You get you on and I'm like, F my life. Like, how are we, how are we here that, you know, like, I don't know, like, I don't know. Like, I'm sure I could have a cop on and say, well, you hit a pylon. And I'm like, yeah, well, he hit a pylon. And meanwhile, we got, you know, I've talked about this multiple times here over the last few days, you know,

we've got a pedophile who can go and do things and then get released on bail. And you're just like, I don't get the illegal system. And I've talked at length here with Layton Gray about doing a little bit of a, I don't know, a series. I don't know what the heck I'm going to call it. but bringing down some lawyers to help understand our system because sitting here, I hear what you're talking about. And I'm like, I can't, like, why is the cop at this point, why is he advocating for this? Why wouldn't he just say, you know what?

Tensions were high. Like, I don't know. I don't even know if you can talk to him. I just, to me, at some point, it feels like, you know, like, man, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that. But you're going to put me away for 10 years for a pilot? on like I don't know and like lose your license which is your livelihood like yeah so so because that like since I was arrested so at first I lost my license for the first six weeks I

couldn't drive and then from there my lawyer was able to get some conditions lifted so now I can drive but only for work purposes I can't I can't just go cruising down the road it has to be work related. Same with I'm not allowed to protest or convoy or incite any sort of thing. I must keep to peace. No violence. Multiple different conditions because of this. And I've been

stuck with them since last year still to this day. So the only way you can drive a vehicle is if you're going to work. That's correct. That's correct. I can't go to the grocery store. I have to get my neighbors to do all my grocery shopping and stuff. I can't take my kids

to school or nothing. I have to rely on other people to help me out. Have you talked to a bunch of lawyers about this or anyone just be like, what the heck is going on? Like this, I get it. Coots was, you know, they still got the four guys sitting in jail. You know, you got, I had no idea. I kind of heard your story, James, a little bit.

But like, I didn't think much of it, right? Like, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong folks in thinking that. But I remember hearing maybe a little bit of it, right? But like, this is. Well, we had to, like I was told to stay quiet in the whole thing, you know, for the better of my case and stuff, like to, you know, don't go on social media, stay away from it, don't, you know, and whatever else. And, and I mean, I get it because the crown does look at my Facebook, does look at my posts, and he brings him up in the court and stuff like that. So I do have to pay attention to what I post and what I don't post and whatever else, right? but it's like you said the justice system is not right um you know you got you got pedophiles

running around uh murders whatever and and and they're let go i mean they're running around doing it again well i mean if you had uh this long laundry list of well let's call it what a you know like stupidity of like well here's my track record i've been in and out of the system an awful lot you know, then it would be like, well, you kind of pulled this one on yourself, right? But when you got no, you know, record or have you, James of, you know, like these are all the, like, that's pretty tough. Like, I feel for it. I don't know what to, you know, I don't know what to even say really other than that's a head scratcher. And, well, I'm glad that Chris reached out and said, you got to have this guy on because we got to, you know, you got to get some of the word out to people to let them know this.

is going on here in Alberta. Yeah. No, Chris is an amazing guy. You know, also, too, since February 14th, the Hydrovac hasn't turned a wheel. The government has pulled their safety fitness. So the truck's been sitting in the field here now for the last year, not able to go to work. Just all kinds of stuff like that. Had accounts frozen for a couple weeks.

Oh, yeah, there's been a lot behind this. scenes in the whole thing. And like I said, my story hasn't been out because I've been asked to stay quiet, you know, and I want to comply to the best I can. But I still have a family that I need to feed. I still have, you know, my views, my, the policies. Yeah, this, this staying quiet thing, I don't think is, you know, I could be wrong. Some lawyer will probably be yelling at the dashboard as they're listening to this, but I don't think the staying quiet thing has helped anyone. It's just allowed more shenanigans to go on.

Have you talked to, you know, I don't know who your MLA is or anyone on that side of things. And I know they can't, you know, folks, I'm not suggesting a politician start to rail in on the law. But in saying that, if one of their constituents is being, you know, blackballed like this and made an example of, to me, it's like at what point do they start talking about it and and start to shed a light on it. Because, I mean, here as Alberta,

we're supposed to be the, I don't know, the voice of reason in Canada, and yet we've got some odd things going on. Yeah. No, I have sent emails out to different MLAs. I've reached out to, you know, Daniel Smith and stuff. I've never gotten a response from any of them. I mean, they all do their thing, I guess.

Hmm. When's, you talked about an appeal and different things like that, what's the dates coming up that people should know about? So, June 12th is what they call pre-sentence. That's when I can go in and I believe it's a parole officer will do an interview with me and they'll figure out kind of what my sentencing will be. And I believe that's when I can actually appeal this case. So I guess first steps I have to retain a lawyer and get the transcript from the case so he can review it and everything else and figure out the grounds to appeal the case and be ready for this pre-sentence date June 12th. Man, June 12th. Does it give you hope that, you know, like, you know, some of the pastors getting their charges drop, different things like that are you, you know, like, I don't know, I'm almost.

you've got me perplexed this morning but I'm like what are you like looking at that gives you some hope that things will get corrected the right way well the support from everybody that I do have you know between followers friends people I've met and everything else you know the happy vibes telling me to keep my head up you get through this you know I I like I said I have to be optimistic. I have to keep fighting. You know, I have two children. I live by myself.

It's something I have to stay strong. I have to believe in. You know, in my mind, I did nothing wrong. I still to this day, I believe that I didn't do anything wrong. So, you know, of course, it just costs money. Money, money, money. Yeah. Have you, I assume you've, you know, I think you said,

you have a nine-year-old and a 15-year-old. Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct. How do you try and explain this to them? So my daughter's 15. She knows what's going on. She kind of follows and she supports me 110%. She's heard the story.

She's read the story. She's listened to the story. And even in her mind, she knows that, you know, this is all a hoax. So they do support me, 100% and I'm thankful for that but I try not to bring him in too deep into it because they are children I want them to live their life I want them to you know grow up free not have to deal with the stuff that their dad or any of us have gone through yeah well from one father to another

I would say stay strong man I don't know how uh you know I um I'm glad I'm glad well I'm glad I can at least have the opportunity to put you on on something where you can talk and hear and have people hear your story and get it out there so that people know is there anything else that i've overlooked haven't asked you know or you want to make sure people know um you know like to me it it seems like pretty black and white right like it seems uh like there's not a whole lot of oh well you missed this part or whatever but uh you know maybe i'm i've glazed over something James and certainly I want to give you an opportunity to say whatever you need to say. Yeah, no, the support that everybody's been giving me, you know, thank you all so much.

Thank you for having me on your show. It means the world to be able to get the story out and have people connect with me, you know, and even people come to me and tell me their stories and I sit there and listen to them. And, you know, we're all in this together. We started this together and we're going to end it together. So that's all I can say is I love the support and, you know, we're going to keep fighting. Well, before you hop off, James, if you wouldn't mind one final question. We do the Crude Master final question here.

So shout out to Ethan Tracy McDonald. And it's if you're going to stand behind a cause and stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing James stands behind? I stand behind freedom for all Canadians. it doesn't matter what color you are, what gender you are, whatever. We all have our different beliefs and that's fine. But, you know, we have to stand up together. That's the only way we're going to beat the system and make change for our children.

I started being involved in this movement because of my kids, because of your kids. And I still believe that to this day. I don't regret going down to Milk River Cooots. I don't. Well, I appreciate you coming on. Well, I tell you what, I'm going to find a way to pay attention what's going on in your world so that we can keep people updated and make sure it doesn't get swept under the rug, so to speak. I'm going to assume way too important that we make sure that this doesn't, I don't know.

I don't even know. Once again, I'm no lawyer, so it's like, is this precedence? Is this whatever this is? It seems very strange to me. So we best keep our eye on it and keep it in the purview of all the listeners and everything else. So let's stay in touch and I appreciate you coming on and being open with sharing your story this morning. Definitely. Thank you very much.

I appreciate it.