Shaun Newman Podcast - #412 - Tim Hoven

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

Farmer and family man who is a former Clearwater County reeve. He was disqualified in 2022 when he ran against Jason Nixon for the UCP candidate in the riding of Rimbey- Rocky Mountain House- Sundre. Now he plans to run as an independent in the upcoming Alberta provincial election. Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Let me know what you thinkText me 587-217-8500

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He's going to be running as an independent in the upcoming Alberta provincial election. I'm talking about Tim Hoven. So buckle up. Here we go. This is Tim Hoven and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. today I'm drawing by Tim Hoven so first off sir thanks for hopping on hey thank you for the invite well you know what I don't I'm not even gonna say her name because I

was scrolling through my phone and then I'm like you know what it doesn't really matter I had a phone call last week from a lady out of your constituency your area yes and she's like you have to interview Tim and I'm like oh wow you know like I man I'm dragging my feet and she was emotional she was like this story needs to be told He needs to have somebody who will talk to him because nobody's willing to talk. Now, I'm sure that maybe she exaggerated a little bit. Maybe she didn't. It doesn't matter.

I'm like, you know what, what the heck is the Sean Newman podcast if he doesn't answer the call when asked upon? So I don't know how the heck things get thrown my way, Tim. But I feel like either way, we should have an interesting hour here, learn a little bit about you. And some of the predicaments that you've been put into because of, well, the political world, as we know, it's an interesting. place. I don't need to tell you that. It is a very interesting place. And the one thing I do know for sure, it's going to get a lot more interesting over the next 60 days. Well, here, let's do this. Lots of people who follow the UCP, and you're not running for

the UCP, you're independent, and we can get into that story. But for a lot of people, maybe they know who Tim has, maybe they have zero clue. And I'm going to assume if you're not political savvy in Alberta politics, you know, the listenership occurs. across the country, down in the States, they're going to be like, who is this guy? So let's start with a little bit about Tim, and we'll go from there. Well, the first thing I want to say is because the writ has not been dropped, and I'm not affiliated with any party at this time, I can only see that I intend to run as an independent. The election laws are such that because the writ hasn't been dropped yet, there isn't

an election, so you can't say that you're running in the election. So I intend to run as an independent. when the writ is dropped. Well, I look forward to seeing you run as a, you know, this little song and dance. F my life. It is. Carry on. Okay.

So, fair enough. Words matter and I get that. So my name is Tim Hoven. I am a farmer here on the eastern edge of Clearwater County, halfway between Red Deer and Rocky Mountain House. My family has been on this land since 1908 when they came up from South Dakota. If you go to Google Maps, you can type in Hoven, South Dakota. Dakota, and you'll see a little town that my great, great, great grandfather started. We've been farming here on the family farm since 1930. My wife and I, or 1930. My wife and I

have been married for 30 years this summer. We've got eight kids. And my eldest, eight kids, yes. You know, it's so funny when you say that in front of a group of people, there's an audible gas in the crowd. It's a rarity these days. Children are a blessing. They're a lot of work, but it's a good thing. Now, did you always want eight kids? Are you a good Catholic man? And that's just the way the dice rolled.

Well, I am Catholic, and I don't know if we ever plan to have that big of a family, but it just happens. And, you know, I absolutely love kids. How far? How far apart are they? Eight kids in how many years? My eldest is 27, and my youngest is 12. So 15 years.

So a kid every second year, essentially. Yeah. It keeps you young. I tell you what. Listen, on this side, everybody knows me. I got three kids, six, soon to be seven, soon to be seven, six and four. Don't know how that happened. Anyways, I've always said, you know, we had complications on her last one.

So there will be no more children unless the big guy upstairs absolutely wills it. You know, like there's just things that can't. Anyways, it's funny. At one, I was done. At two, I was certainly done. And at three, after, you know, we got over, you know, the hospital ride and everything there, I was like, you know, I could probably have four. This is such a strange thing to say out loud.

Because having kids in the house and a full house and just like, when you talk about keeping you young, I can imagine that. life will be very strange as they get older and the house goes quiet instead of an absolute, you know, what is going on here some days, you know, like as they do what kids do and our kids are rambunctious. So I can imagine eight in the Hoven residence was a little interesting. Probably still is interesting. Well, I can remember one day, Lori and I were sitting around the kitchen table and there's eight kids under 12 and you think, what have we done? This is unbelievable.

ball. But now that they're older, it's just a blessing, right? I've got one son who's currently back on the farm working, one son in the armed forces, a daughter in Calgary who is studying to be a CPA, a son up at Edmonton at U of A studying to be an engineer, another son in the seminary right now, and then only three kids at home. So when we sit down for a supper and there's only three kids, the table seems very empty. That's it got to be an interesting, you know, that has to be just a fascinating. I assume family holidays you get together. I just assume.

We try. Try, just like everybody else. To have somebody in the seminary, an accountant, law enforcement, a father who's running in politics, or intends to run in politics. Thank you. What am I missing in there?

None of them just decided like, hey, that accounting thing sounds really cool, and they all just went that way. They're that diverse. Well, my daughter actually, the one who's studying to be a CPA, she had dyslexia until she, and it was reading was such a struggle for her. And we've homeschooled, so my wife worked really hard with Teresa and getting her to read better. And then she got to Redder College, was on the Dean's list, sorry, read your Polytechnique now.

She got on the Dean's list and graduated at the top of her class. So we're really, really proud of the work that she's done. Hmm. That's, that's, I appreciate you sharing all that. I, I, I stare at eight kids and I, an amazement that you're, you're still whole because, uh, I, I assume there's some years, you know, I, I talked to, I've interviewed a lot of different, um, couples over the years and talked about, uh, you know, what was their favorite decade, you know, and we're talking their kids now are in their 40s type thing. And one of them, I still remember, they had five kids and, and I think it was five in, five and ten years. I think it

was similar to what you're talking about, but instead eight, five, And he said, just don't ask me about the 70s. And I started laughing. What about the 70s? Like, well, I just don't remember it. We had five kids under like nine years old or whatever it was. And he's like, I just don't remember any of it. It was such a blur until they hit a certain age where you could kind of go,

oh, again, you know? And so I assume that you have a decade like that as well. Oh, definitely. I don't remember much from the 90s until maybe 2006. So, see, and then I was in a bad accident back in 2000. 2006, took me three surgeries and a year and a half of Tylenol three just to survive. And so those, those years are quite a haze. What, what happened?

I was in a quad accident. I was a piece of our farm equipment got on fire. So I jumped on the quad, ran as fast as, or ran, drove as fast as I could, lost control, flipped over, broke about four ribs, separated my shoulder. It was, and this was right in the middle of Haynes season. So it wasn't a good time for the family. And it took three surgeries to get me all patched back up. Well, A, happy to hear that, you know, it seems like there's been a debt. I know a lot of different farmers and rural folk who've had their brushes with mortality,

you know, a couple of bad accidents and different things like that. I'm curious, why does a family man, of eight, he's got farming, all these different things. What leads you towards politics? Because you, even before provincial, because you were city reeve, yes? Or Reeve, not city reef, RM Reeve. What do they call it? A reeve.

I was elected to Clearwater County Council in 2017, and I served there for four years. And one of those years, I was the reeve of the county. So why did you run for that? Why did you put your name forward just in the beginning? Like, was there something there that you just, you know, that really pulled at your heartstrings? Like, I got to do this. Or what was the thought process? Well, at that time in the county, there were two big things going on.

Number one, rural crime was out of control in my area. We had three, I don't know what the proper term. It was about two meth labs and one shop shop within six miles of my house. If two days went by and a neighbor wasn't broken into, it was a rarer. occurrence. Like it was every 48 hours, someone else would have something stolen. And that inspired me to say, you know what, if we want to have some change here, someone has to do something. And secondly, there was a feeling that the council was being run by a bunch of bullies. And I have this, I don't know if it's a character flaw, but if I see people getting picked on and people being put down, I just feel a moral obligation. to stand up and fight for them. So it was those two things that motivated me to get involved. And what did you learn over your four years?

Was it a bunch of bullies and everything else? Or was it misunderstandings and just people not understanding how maybe, you know, local politics works? Well, probably both, both. I look at the current land use bylaw issue that's coming up all across the province with people concerned about, you know, the 15-minute cities and over-government. control on people's lands. And a lot of that are valid concerns, but another part of it is just a lack of trust in our institutions at this point. I think the biggest issue people are facing now

is that people have lost trust in just about every institution. No one in our area trust the federal government. People did not trust the provincial government under Jason Kenney. Now that trust is starting to be rebuilt under Daniel Smith. And we see that lack of trust filtering now down to the level as well. People see, people need to know that each municipality has to have a municipal development plan. It needs to have a land use bylaw. But people are just concerned about who is writing the rules that are dictating how they get to live their lives. I'm curious, just on the bylaws, what, when you, I assume you've looked at it, maybe that's a bad assumption. What, what have you thought of the land use, land use bylaw? I guess it,

For me, it comes down to what's the purpose of the land use bylaw. If you look at the land use bylaws a bunch of rules that dictate how the municipality manages their land, well, I guess it's going to be a fight to see who gets the most votes to get it going their way. I think we need to have a change in mindset, though. We need to look at it as a bunch of rules that dictate how people live their lives. Because people in rural areas are very attached to their land. like I said that my family's been here almost 115 years. We're attached to this.

And the rules that the counties make through the MDP and the land use bylaw aren't just rules for land, the rules for people. And I think municipalities need to change their perspective and how they write these rules. They need to figure out what kind of people do we want in our area and how can the land use bylaw, how can the rules we make for them go to make them stronger families instead of weaker families? It's been an interesting, you know, you bring up families again. And how can laws, bylaws, make families stronger or weaker? I'm curious if you just expand on them, just a smidge. Well, I'm going to go to a quote by everyone's favorite prime minister, Justin Trudeau,

where someone asked him about, you know, what he views Canada like and what's good about Canada. And the first thing he said is we've got strong institutions. And that's a very different perspective from St. we've got strong families. Because if you want strong institutions, where are they going to get that strength from them? Well, they're going to be taxing people over there. They're going to be taking the money. There's going to be rules in place to make those institutions stronger.

And it's a new way of looking at it, but we need to look at every rule as what can this, how can we rewrite that rule to make it better for families? Look at the carbon tax. The carbon tax is there to save the planet. But in the process, it's going to. going to be bankrupting just about every Canadian. It's a bad law. Yeah, the carbon, well, I always come back to Chris Sims.

Chris Sims lays it down and the numbers down, like, extremely well about what's going to happen by the time 2030 comes, right? Like, it's not going to be, it's not going to be good. You know, and then, and then, of course, as we record this, you know, it was just a a little while ago that me and twos from the mashup talked literally about, you know, the MPs taking a pay raise as they increase all taxes across the board and you're like, does any, like they can't seriously think this is a good idea. And yet here it is. And you talk about trust with people's government. When they do things like that, there ain't no trust anymore.

Like people are fed up. And it's interesting. When you talk about why you got into government in the initial stages, as small as it was, things. were, as you, I think, I hope I'm using your words, right? You know, there was things bothering you and you wanted to see change. And so you went in. When it came to rural crime, how did you folks address that? Just curious. Well, first of all, we have the RCMP in Rocky Mountain House.

There are local detachment. And as soon as I got on council, you get to know these officers on a one-on-one level. There are so many good people who just want to do what's best for the system, or do best for the people, sorry. The most shocking thing from the first meeting I had at the RCMP is how they were complaining about the catch and release program. So they were told to go out and arrest these people. They had arrest them. And before they were done the paperwork, the courts had released them. So it's very demoralizing for these officers.

In the end, what happened, there was a very public confrontation between a woman and two of these criminals that ended up with loaded firearms. It got press internationally over here, and that really woke up the government to how bad the situation. So the staff sergeant in Rocky Mountain House, he looked at the whole situation. What he decided to do was just allocate. two officers off his detachment and all they did was go around to all these people who had bail conditions and not harassed them, but just make sure that they were following their bail conditions. So one day they might show up at four o'clock in the morning and knock on the door and make sure they're home. Then they'd come by the afternoon and then in the evening. And it was just

constant monitoring of these criminals. And what happened is after a few months of this, these guys would just leave. So it took a few years. But now, Now those chop shops are all gone and we've a nice peaceful community once again. Now it's good for us. It's good for our community. It's not good for the community where these guys went. Yeah, I, yes. I've been wondering about, you know, I talked to earlier this week about, well, pedophiles.

I don't know why I have such a hard time saying that where I don't know what it is about this subject. It really just bothers me. I brought it up multiple times. Me and Paul Brandt when we talked about the trafficking thing, it's just a really hard subject. Anyways, one of the things that Paul Brandt had said back then is bad, bad people or maybe bad things are allowed to survive because they live in the dark. All you got to do is shine the spotlight on them and they'll vacate because they don't want the spotlight. And when you talk about it, to me, I think every community, you know, this isn't, you know, are there bad people slowly migrating maybe back into Rocky Mountain House? I'm sure there are, right?

And I'm sure there are in Lloyd Minster and I'm sure there are in Grand Prairie and Eminton and everywhere else. And if you don't put the spotlight on some of the things and the issues that are very uncomfortable, then they're allowed to sit there because nobody knows what's going on. And when you talk about it, to me, it just seems like, oh, you just shine the spotlight. And it didn't take 10 years. It took months. And they're like, oh, this isn't, this isn't, okay, let's get out of here and let's find a new spot. I think that's, like, really encouraging, actually. It was.

And when the police started their patrols back in the early, early days of this, people would, something would happen. They'd have to leave their home and drive at 3 o'clock in the morning. And the police would pull them over. And people would go on Facebook and rate about how happy they were that they had to do something at 3 o'clock in morning, go check cows, something. And the police pulled them over just to make sure they weren't causing trouble. It was joy in the community to see the police involvement in that.

Isn't that wild? It is. I mean, when you think about it, most people would be P-O. I'm just going to check cows. Would you leave me alone? but I mean, it gets to that level, Tim. Yeah. That's how bad it was out here.

Hmm. Okay. Well, let's fast forward then. You know, I don't know. You got to lay this out for me because I've read the articles. I remember when this was going on. I don't know. I actually don't know if I was podcasting at this time because this is March 22.

Yes? Yes. Just 13 months ago. 14 months ago started in February 2022. And Sean, people wonder, I hadn't really put this together until right now. But I took the only time in four years I've taken time off was the time this was going on. 58 days is when Tim, so actually let's walk me in the audience through this.

You put your name in for UCP candidate in your area. But sure, first, yeah, fire away. I had started listening to you about two weeks before all this happened. And I really got into your podcast. And then all of a sudden you disappeared for two months. And I was very worried about you. So I'm glad, I was very glad when you came back online. Yeah.

It's a hard thing to talk about. Ottawa was a lot of things to a lot of people. And we always talk about all the positives he came out of Ottawa because I don't think they want to shine a light on some of the craziness that happened there. But it was a lot. You know, I've talked a lot on this podcast over the last, you know, probably three, four weeks about the journey with, some call it spirituality. Some call it this. some call it that and for me you know I just head on Tanner Nadei talking about the Bible and

everything else it's it's really open my eyes to a lot of things that I didn't realize was there and for two months I had to reel and really contemplate a lot of things had nothing to do with a lot of people I you know when I look back on it I'm like oh I could imagine lots of people were like did Sean die is he in jail did he you know like what did he see is he is he a shill for the government was he paid off was it like it's like all these things like no Sean was like literally held up in his house trying to figure out what the heck had happened to him and and uh it's taken well you know here I sit how many months later and I'm still like I don't know do I need to how do I

try and explain this to the listener it's a very odd thing other than um you know Ottawa was overwhelming that that's what I would say Tim and I went in very naive not thinking of the situation I was putting myself in and uh That's pretty much it. It's like, after that, it's like it just, it hit me like a ton of bricks. I talk about going there thinking you're just going to walk around and talk to people. And there was just a lot going on that was certainly meets the eye, certainly messed with your head. And I'm talking about listening to CBC and then looking out your front window and seeing all these people like hugging and singing and all the healthiness, right?

Like you realize what situation you're in, right? The government is actively saying you're a bunch of terrorists or whatever, you know, misogynist, racist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, dangers of society. The horns are too loud. And you're looking out and you're going, holy shit, like what is going on? You're seeing SWAT run down the street. You're seeing all these things and then tack on to it. The thing that probably everybody has the hardest time, even myself, trying to explain because I don't know how to explain it.

Right? If you are a Christian man, if you believe in spirituality, you understand that there's more to this world than meets. And if you went there not realizing that, you're getting a crash course in like, what is going on? And that's part of Ottawa, right? And so that, you know, not to derail this interview, but that's what happened to Sean. So for two months, 58 days. And truthfully, it was probably more like two weeks. Two weeks, I was ready to come back, but I told myself I was going to give it until April 1st.

I was going to give myself time to pull myself back together so that April 1st came, I was ready to go. Right. Well, the convoy was, it moved you and it also moved me. I think it moved a lot of people. It was on, I think, February 6th, I got a text link from one of my cousins who said, hey, Angela Pitt is on a Zoom call talking about what we have to do to get rid of Jason Kenny. So I clicked on the link and watched this Zoom link.

I have no idea where the meeting was. And then I asked Angela Pitt a question because I was on Nixon's CA board at that time. and she and I talked for a few minutes and she said, Tim, I can tell you you got more questions. Let's set up a phone call for tomorrow on Monday and we'll talk. So great, wonderful. So I called Angela the next day. We had a good talk. And by the end of the conversation, she said, Tim, what do you think about trying to challenge Jason Nixon in his constituency for the ability to represent the UCP in the next election?

And the thought hadn't entered my mind until then. So Lori and I did a lot of soul searching. We thought, you know, I just lost the election in 2020. Yeah, I ran again from municipal council last term in 2021. And right at the beginning of campaign season, I ended up getting COVID. So for the whole campaign, I was laid up in bed, just sick. It was like I had mono all over again and had no energy. and when you can't campaign, you don't win the election, so I lost.

And we just gotten used to the fact that, okay, Tim is just going to focus in on the farm. And we're going to feed our cattle. We're going to sell our meat. And we're going to raise our kids and raise our grandkids. And then all of a sudden there was that call, do you want to do something more again? So we talked a lot about it. We prayed a lot about it. And we said, we came to that conclusion that, yes, it's time to do more.

wasn't inspired by the truckers and the convoy probably was but it was getting back to that the thing that called me to to that first municipal election if there is a problem you can't just complain about it you have to get involved in fixed them so we ran as soon as i'd filed my papers the next day we had people from edmonton and the ledge contacting us and saying you do know you're going to get disqualified, right? And they said, if you have any chance of taking out Nixon, you are going to get disqualified. So we just, we formed a team, we hit the streets, we started organizing speaking events. Before we put our name in the nomination race, the local CA here at about 581 membership sold, if I remember that number right. Within two weeks, by the time I'd receive

the membership list in March, there were 1,800 memberships. So we know Nixon had sold a few, but the vast majority of those sales had come from our team talking to people and encouraging people to get involved and make change. And there was also the SGM going on to vote to remove Mr. Kenny. So we had a lot of mutual energy. So we were working hard. It was a chaotic 14 days. It was amazing. The team came together.

And we got the membership list. and we looked at all the names, we went through it, and we knew we had the votes to win. So then the campaign switched and we're like, okay, how do we make sure these people get out to vote? We're working on that. And then I got disqualified. And what did you get disqualified for? I got disqualified. Walk me through the morning or the afternoon, the phone call, the email. What happens? Well, first of all, there's the reason they say and the real reason underneath it.

But I went out to do chores one day. So I was literally driving in the tractor, picking up a bail to go feed the cows. And my phone buzzed and I looked down and there was the disqualification noses sent from the UCP. And the number one reason they had was that back in 2015 when Trump was racing against Hillary and conservatives were being censored off of Twitter, people were saying you have to get a GAB account. You know, it's going to be the Twitter replacement.

So I had joined up with GAB. So I logged in. And because all these Trump people were on GAB, up comes a list of 10 people to follow when you sign up, right? So I just click, click, click, click, click, click. And then I don't think I went on GAB for years. And what had happened was back in 2018 then during the U.S. midterms elections, All of these people that I had followed, the Democrats started branding them as white nationalists to get them out of the equation.

So Trump would lose his social media following. So the UCP looked at, or I shouldn't say the UCP. I'll say the LCNC, the local constituency nominating committee, looked at these and said, oh, there's a bunch of white nationalists on Gab and Tim's on Gab, so he must be a white nationalist. And that was the number one reason they disqualified me for, that I had a GABA account and their white nationalists on GAB. Now, the real reason, and it's taken a lot of conversations with people in the know to figure this out, there were two real reasons. A lady had written a letter to the LCNC accusing me of the most vile racist things that I spoke from a podium at a public event. She sent this to the LCNC, and then somehow this letter ended up in the hands of Don Brade,

the Calgary Herald Reporter. And he wrote about this letter that said all these vile things about me, or that I had said all these vile things. Did he call and talk to you about it? Yes, he did. And I denied it. I was absolutely shocked because I thought back to the event. It was in Rocky Mountain House. And I'm like, there was nothing.

absolutely close to anything that could be construed as being racist. And so what were the vile things she was saying? Like, what was she accusing him? No one knows. It's this ghost phantom letter that's out in the internet. But when the Calgary Herald reporter calls you, what does he ask you about? He doesn't say. He said, what about this claim that there were a bunch of racist things said from the podium?

But it's the most blanket statement in the world. It is. And so this phantom letter circulated and people were. were saying, oh, he's terrible. He's horrible. He can't run. And I, everyone has talked about the letter, but I don't know of anyone who's actually seen the letter. The thing is, this lady sent it to the LCNC, and it's supposed to be a confidential board. So that letter should have been confidential. So I'm confused as to how the five members of the LCNC, who should have been the only people who saw that letter, how it got into the hands of a reporter in Calgary.

Okay. Carry on. Okay. I'm going, you know, it's only taken Sean a year to get finally the story from Tim Hoven anyways. Carry on. Well, and then the other reason I just learned this through talking with people about a month ago is that one of the things I'd retweeted was that if any politician had broke criminal law through all the mandates and through all the, uh, through all the lockdowns. I had retweeted someone who said that there should be an investigation,

and if they broke any laws, they should be charged. And that was another thing that upset the establishment. So those were, to the best of my knowledge, those are the three reasons I got disqualified. You know, all the people that say, Sean, you ever going to run for politics? It's like, if that's getting Tim Hoven disqualified, folks, I'm screwed, you know? Because I will get destroyed for 400.

however many episodes it is now. And some of the things I've said, there's no chats. That's all it takes to get Tim removed. But it, you know, it wasn't any of the things that I'd said. It was politically to get rid of a,

get rid of competition for Jason Kenney's number two man. That's what it was. Right? If they want you disqualified, they'll find a reason to get you disqualified. Yeah, it's, it's this, you know,

some people call it the old boys club. It's, to me, it's, it, you don't have to put it that way. It's as simple as there's certain people who have been playing politics all their life. And maybe for generations. They know the ins and outs of this. You know, the first, I don't know if it was eye-opener, but I remember sitting in this, in the studio here with Theo Fleury and Joseph Borgo when they were going around and he was getting raised all that money,

got all the signatures to be in the conservative leadership race. And then they disqualified him like last minute because he hadn't made certain things and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I remember thinking about that being like, oh, that's interesting. Like, wow, we all know, like, every person knows that they didn't want his voice on the stage. Like, I mean, it's simple. They, we don't have to go any further than that. And saying that, whenever you leave anything to the last moment, the deadline, they can nitpick.

And that is their prerogative. Like, that's, it's sad to say that. But that's like, that's when they hold the keys, you got to find ways to jump. And in your case, it's like, it's a very bitter pill to swallow when you've done everything right, you're doing things the right way. Your constituency or the area is pulling, you're doing everything that a politician should do, and they see that as a threat. And that is the murky water of politics.

It is. It is. So it was so surreal watching Premier Kenny's press conference where he's talking about me, right? It's odd. You know, I'm just, in my mind, I'm still just a simple farmer. So when you see the big press conference and Mr. Kenny saying all these incorrect things about me, it was just bizarre. Sorry, Tim, could you, could you, what was he saying?

Well, once again, I'm at this point in time, Sean is summary. else. I don't know if I've ever gone back and watched. Well, I don't think you should go back and watch it. It would be a waste of your time. But he was just saying that Tim Hoven was disqualified and gave these broad generalities. I know he said a lot of the same things about Jody Gaetman, who was disqualified two days before I was. She was the candidate challenging Joseph Scow down in Carson, Sikika.

She was disqualified. Now, he said different things about Jody, and there was enough things that he said that she actually took Jason Kenney to court over the lies that he said. But by the time I was disqualified, they'd change your language enough that it was just all broad generalities. And there was really nothing for me to do other than to either keep fighting or stop. And I'm not a person who likes to stop. So we kept going. So that brings us full, you know, all the way to pretty much today, right?

I think like where you sit today you're intending to run as an independent 1967 1966 is the last time somebody who isn't a current sitting MLA ran as an independent yeah and won it's an uphill battle but here's the thing let's talk about it we've got an amazing team and it's it's not even that I have had to go out and find this team. The team was just out there waiting for it. Because for the last year, the people of Rimby, Rocky Mountain House Sundry have not had

their voice heard. They wanted a different person when it came to the nomination and I was disqualified. They organized and took over this Nixon CA board in January and people have asked me and, or I should say, people have asked me and they've seen it in the press that it was a take back Alberta organized takeover, well, it wasn't. The only thing to take back Alberta really did to the people here was just inspire them and got them off of their couches, out into the community, and working to make change. David Parker is one thing. He has an ability to break down how you can take back your area. And essentially, as he literally just said to me this week, you know, it's funny.

I see Take Back Alberta hitting the headlines right now and laugh. I'm like, oh, man, I'm interviewing that guy again, too. You know, it's like, Sean can't seem to just interview a mainstream person that everybody likes. I've got to be the, anyways. Take Back Alberta, one of the things he's said that it just makes perfect sense is here in Alberta, we like to think politics is a spectator sport, like watching the Oilers Flames. We just get to sit back and watch, whatever. And he's like, well, politics isn't that.

It's participation. You want change things. You have to get involved. I mean, that's what he's, that's the message he's, he's telling everybody across a province is like, you want, you want things to go back to the way they were or, or better or whatever it is, you have to get involved. It's like, yes. And if you really believe in democracy, the more people that are involved, the more people that are speaking, the more people that are working together, that's making the system better. Right.

The cure to bad democracy is just more democracy. it's that simple. So the people here God organized... That's a wild message to spread, Tim. I don't think we need to be hearing that. You know what? I'm probably going to get disqualified again, right?

I don't know. You're on the Sean Newman podcast at this point, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm on some government watch list already, so why stop now? What does Byron Christopher say? He says one in every four Canadians is being monitored. So you're certainly,

being monitored. I certainly am being monitored. At this point, it's like, it's kind of like when I bring out an episode and say the word COVID, immediately there's like a COVID tag saying, if you want, you know, you're like, you know, it's like at this point, it's like, well, whatever, carry on with life. Yeah. So the people here, they organized, they called themselves the grassroots and they got organized. They got people out to Nixon's CA, AGM, and took 28 out of the 30 positions on the board. And the first thing they did is they sent a letter to the provincial board saying reopen the nomination.

And that letter sat on the provincial board's desk for about a month before they dealt with it. Now, in the end, when they dealt with it, and this isn't me breaking any confidentiality rules, it was all in the Western standards. So I'm just telling Linda Slobodyan story. Sure. What happened was that night, the old guard or the established, I don't know what term to call them because it's kind of a nefarious group.

We don't know who they are. But they came forward and said if Danielle reopens the nomination, there are going to be two cabinet ministers that resign immediately, three MLAs that resign immediately, and there will be 34 votes of non-confidence in Danielle if she reopens the nomination. So the board then, instead of listening to the people of Rimbie Rocky Mountain House sundry, blinked and said, going to reopen the knob. And in fact, because of the way the old guard did it, the motion was

withdrawn and it wasn't even voted on that night. So the people here are extremely frustrated because it's been over a year of fighting just to have their voice heard and it's been knocked down numerous times. So the team, um, the team said, Tim, there's only one thing left to do and that's you have to run as an independent. So I said, you know, in for a penny and for a pound. Let's do it. And we've been, you know, this month just working, small meetings, talking to people, finding volunteers for the team so that when May first hits, or whenever the Ritz has dropped, I should say, we will hit the ground running and we will find, you know, 11,000 people to vote for Tim Hoven,

the independent candidate. And I will be sitting in the legislature. Yeah, it's, it's, you face, this, this is, this is, I'm going to speculate on your area because I'm just going to assume it's the same as Lloyd Minster, Wainwright, Vermillion. And that is, it is a conservative hotbed. Meaning like, nobody's walking into this area.

I don't care how good of a speaker you are if you're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Garthor Oswell and the UCP will win this election in a landslide in this area. I just, to me, it's a foregone conclusion. And, you know, I've talked quite a bit about this. So in your area, I assume, and maybe I'm wrong on this, Tim, and I'm sure you've talked a lot about this with different people,

what you fight is the mentality that if they vote for you, you might be allowing the NDP to win. And not in your area, because I think a lot of people understand that even if UCP candidate, Nickson, Hoven split, the NDP still can't win, right? We're talking, I think your area was like 80 some percent UCP. So if you split that, it's 40-40 and the NDP or whoever the, you know, the challenger is, is still gonna get like 10%.

Neither, like, I don't think, I completely understand that point. I think from a larger scale, if people truly believe that the UCP, versus the NDP in the entire province is within one riding or multiple ridings. They look at it and that is something that is deep-seated that I don't know how you get past. But maybe you've had lots of talks about this. Back in December of 2021, UCP support in this constituency was down to 45%. 45%. 45%.

And then as soon as we started our nomination fight and the... That's interesting. TB and as soon as TVA started saying we have a way to get rid of Mr. Kenny, the popularity of the party rose up to 70% where it's been sitting just about ever since. So when the support for the party is here, but not necessarily the support for the current candidate. Yeah, well, I understand that very well. See, in the last polling that I saw was from, I think, March 25th, it had the UCP at 60% right now, NDP at 18 and then independence was at 15%.

So I don't know if that was tip or if people were confusing the independent candidate versus independence. But we're looking at that number. If there's 20,000 people voting, all we need to do is split half of the UCP vote to another conservative who's going to support most of what the UCP is, who supports our current premier. and I think a lot of the NDP support in this area is also an anti-Nixon vote. They just don't know where else to go. So that by offering an independent conservative voice, we do see a path up the middle to victory.

And because of the high percentage of people who are conservative, it's impossible that the NDP can slip up through the middle. Yeah, in your writing, it's impossible. Like to me, I'm not like I personally when I you know this is going back to Maverick and federal politics like once you start to understand the areas they were targeting that you know if you split the vote somebody's still crushing the next person by considerable amounts. I completely get that. What I think is you're and once again to me and I know. This is what I what I'm trying you know the the last election what was it 60 What was it 60 some seats the conservatives they won in a crushing landslide yeah right and now the big fear is that Calgary's all of a sudden going to be close and and and you know if if the NDP win that and blah blah blah It's gonna be tight. It's gonna be tight and I'm like is it gonna be really that tight like I mean you have to approach it that way because I mean certainly You don't want to act like it's gonna be this blowout and then show up and you know

I get that. But that is a, there's something psychological there with, with, with people. And I witnessed it in the federal election. People that thought the maverick idea was sound, still voted conservative.

And the reason they did is because they were like, if we are not all united, then we fall. And we got liberal government anyways. It didn't matter. You know, I mean, it mattered,

but it didn't really matter, you know. And certainly, it's just like, It's just this psychological thing. It's not in your area. It's that you united together with all the areas that I think you fight more than anything. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

And that's why we are trying to build that big team of people, that big team of volunteers to go out and knock on many doors, host lots of coffee houses, host lots of potluck suppers, and get our message out. It's going to be, this election is going to be one in this constituency, one vote at a time.

Just building what you said about battleground Calgary, because that's how this election is being sold. Being sold. And that might be for control of the legislature, but talking with people here, the real battle is going to be for the heart and soul of

Alberta, and that's going to be fought right here. Is the UCP and is the government going to be a government that listens to the grassroots and takes their ideas, And is it going to be from the bottom up or is it going to be the old guard coming through and winning? And it's going to be the top-down approach that we had under Mr. Kenny.

And that is something that people do not want in this constituency. If you look at how the governments have been doing the last 10 years, I don't think things are getting better with what they've been doing. I think our country is in a much worse spot than we were back in 2013. And that was even with low oil prices. So if you want to make a change, you have to vote for change. You can't just keep doing the same thing you've always done because you're going to get the exact same results. So I have faith in the people of this constituency. They're not afraid to take a risk.

They're not afraid to stand up. And they're not afraid to say we want something done differently. Yeah. One thing I completely agree with you on, you know, is if you want change, you have to, you've got to you got to do it. You can't wait for somebody else to do it. You got to go do it. And who knows?

Maybe, you know, the Tuesday mashup this year is going to be doing live election coverage. So that should be interesting. You know, we're going to have some fun with it. So we're going to be paying attention. Like, for the first time in Sean Newman's, by the time May election rolls around in his 37 years, he's going to be staring directly at the Alberta election,

paying direct attention to it. And while one way or another, Tim, we're going to be watching what happens in RIMBY Rocky Mountain House Sundry and seeing if, you know, it's not a miracle. It's been done before. You know, if it had never been done before, that'd be something. You know, people always go, oh, well, and I read the article, I wrote down the date, 1967, but it's been done before, you know, it's like, now that it's been done before, it's like, well, history is shown that it can be done. It's how much, it's how many people can you talk to probably, you know, if I listen to all the political nerds in a short period of time, door knocking, to convince them that voting in you is going to be the right thing. And I mean, only time will tell. I mean, we're, what are we sitting at today?

April, you know, beginning of April. And, you know, like, it's too, you know, I assume there is rules and stuff that you're not, you're allowed to have. town halls but you're not allowed to go around door knocking or is that not the case? Well, what we've been doing is we've just been putting my name out there and if someone wants to organize a coffee house, they can invite me to come speak. If we had a lady organized a potluck just last weekend and we invited myself and Chris Scott to go speak and about 120 people turned up to listen to both of us. We were very happy with that turnout. And so we're just talking to people and inviting people to invite me to come speak. And then as soon as the

writ drops, it changes what we can do and what we can say. So until the writ is dropped, though, you're not, essentially you're kind of handcuffed in what you can and cannot do. Right now, I'm just a community leader being invited to go speak to events. And, uh, how close to an election can they drop that? Like, when is the last possible day they can drop it? I believe the main. I believe minimum length of the election period has 28 days. So when the election is legally sent to be or legally supposed to be on May 29th, May 1st, I believe is the last possible day to do it. And is there any reason they would drop it earlier than that? Yes, there is. Oh.

Who's got the biggest war chest right now? Is it the NDP or the UCP? I don't know. I haven't seen the financials, but I've heard the NDP are sitting on a $50 million war chest. Now as soon... That's what I've heard. So, but as soon as the writ is before, until the writ is dropped, they can spend money like drunken sailors and I'm sure they will be if you, I don't listen to the radio very often. But people are saying there's ads everywhere. I don't watch mainstream TV, so I don't see the ads, but they're everywhere. UCP versus the NDP.

And the NDP is winning that battle. They've got more money to spend. But as soon as the writ is dropped, elections, Alberta rules come in for campaign spending. and then it levels a playing field between the two campaigns. Then it doesn't matter who has the biggest war chest because there's a legal number that they can't spend above. But then as soon as they drop, then it's 28 days after that?

No, it can be up to, I believe, now you're, I believe it's up to 90 days, but I don't think anyone could survive a 90-day election period. So the rick could drop today even, and it would be about a 60-day. election period. Hey, just thinking aloud here then, they should be dropping it right now then. Well, I would think if they wanted to level that plane field, it would make sense to drop it right away. Because everybody's staring at May 29th anyways, right? Like when you, I mean, we're all talking

about it. So if the only reason, so you know, you go, why wouldn't you do that? That's an interesting question. You've just, that's an interesting question. I'm assuming, you know, as soon as people see I'm interviewing politics, then there's a certain, there's lots of people who listen to the podcast, but as soon as I get into this realm, there's a lot of political nerds, and they will be hitting this phone up, I'm sure what this is why they don't do that.

And in my mind, if you gain, like, what do you gain from leaving it to the last possible second? When your biggest arch nemesis, the NDP, whether it's 50 million or not, everybody knows they're attacking Daniel Smith and the UCP and media. You don't have to be watching it and understand that. It's like you hop on YouTube and it'll be there in front of you. And you're like, what is going on here?

You know, so that's interesting because I don't know. It must, there must be things like what it would all of a sudden, you know, as I'm thinking about this, would all of a sudden they be handcuffed on what they can do in government? Like are they not allowed? So maybe they're looking at it. Tim, like, sorry, maybe they're looking at it like, this is what I hate about a virtual. Everybody knows this. This is what I hate about virtual.

You know, the back and forth is difficult. But maybe they're looking at it like, yeah, they can go spend $50 million or whatever the number is on advertising. But in the next 30 days, we can do things to the entire population of Alberta that will bode well for us. That could be it. And maybe, you know, an extra 30 days to continue to improve health care is going to be very important to the UCP. campaign as well. Whereas if they called the election now, there'd be a lot of, there could be a lot of unanswered questions that if they can fix in the next 30 days, it's going to be to their benefit. Yeah, that's, to me, that might outweigh shutting down the NDP, right? Because NDP can squawk all they

want when you get to do whatever you want right up to the last possible minute. Hmm, that's interesting. Well, this has been interesting. Regardless of, you know, once again, I wish you best luck. because I'm, anytime, you know, I go back and, you know, and I apologize about the lady, although I'm not sure she ever wants her name said, but the phone call, you know, it's like that level of, in my mind, desperation about trying to get a story out in Alberta is kind of what I've all been about, you know, it's like, well, let's talk to some people. Let's find out what's going on. And so if, you know, if that area, one, change who is Sean to say they shouldn't have it you know like it's like right like

you know but in in fairness to your area if you want change you know you got to get out and vote you got to do you know you got to you got to put your your your check mark on on the guy you want and and from there who knows maybe it starts a change that we can't see what it leads to in the future I have no idea but it'll be interesting to watch I mean once again this guy on May 29th I never thought I'd be like well I'm gonna be glued to a television and we're gonna you know well actually I'm gonna include if you're listening to this and you're like ooh election coverage I don't know where I'm gonna get it from

Sean Newman podcast Tuesday mashup we're gonna be doing it and we're gonna have some fun with it we're gonna be talking to some people throughout Alberta and we're gonna have some fun and and what's the slogan we're using right now and this is a terrible plug is I got Tim sitting there but it's Tuesday mashup what if election coverage didn't suck so that's gonna be that's what we're gonna be doing who knows maybe we'll have Tim we'll have Tim we'll have Tim in or sign in to give us an update on all things in his area. We'll stream you in from the victory party.

Hey, there you go. Well, Tim, before I let you go, I guess we should do the final question here, brought to you by Crudemaster. It's, if you're going to stand behind something, then stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Tim stands behind? I'm going to stand behind the heart and soul of Alberta. The most amazing thing over this last year, even with all its struggles and all its hardship has been the amazing people that I've had the opportunity to meet. Some of the, yeah,

just amazing people. You know, they want to, they come and they want to talk to me, and they are so amazing, I just want to ask them questions and listen to them. And Alberta has such a depth of people. It's enough to make you cry how good the people are here. So I'm going to stand behind them. Well, I think that's, well, like I say, we look forward to the 29th and best of luck in, you know, whenever the writ drops. And whenever you officially get to announce and all those different things, you know, best of luck. And, you know, hopefully you don't, you know, as you said earlier, you had COVID and it dropped you when you were trying to get out door knocking on that type of thing. I didn't realize how important that is, but the more political nerds, junkies I talk to, you understand how important that truly is.

So best of luck in the upcoming months, and we'll be paying attention on the 29th, and we'll look forward to seeing how things play out. Great. And thank you for your time, Sean. Well, hey, to all the listeners who are tuning in, you know, at times, Sean has conversations with himself about like, you know, do I really want to talk about this? And I laugh because I'm like, if Alberta or Saskatchewan or Canada really wants it, it's like, who's Sean to get in the way, you know? Like let's talk about some things. That's what I've been doing since, you know,

not the very beginning, but close to it. And that's what we're trying to do here. So we're trying to open up some dialogue on some things that, you know, seem like they're, you're going to talk to another white nationalist, ooh, you know? And it's like, and then you start talking, you're like, oh boy, you know, like, here's just another. slander job on on what people are, you know, they put in the papers and when it's, I don't know, it doesn't seem like it, Tim, after an hour's time, that that has any relevance to the person that you are. Great.

Thank you, Sean. You bet. Hey, thanks for tuning in. It's interesting. We have, uh, I've offered this spot for, how long ago in the fifth year. So I guess for four straight years, I've offered for somebody to take right now, right here, the last spot and finally somebody took me up on it so uh welcome aboard cal rock so uh um used surplus this is going to be interesting sean's going to butcher this the first time around we'll get it

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