Shaun Newman Podcast - #414 - Lisa Marie Henderson

Episode Date: April 17, 2023

Former property manager for the City of Hamilton discusses the past 3 years Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Let me know what you thinkText me 587-217-8500

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She's a former property manager for the city of Hamilton. I'm talking about Lisa Murray Henderson. So buckle up. Here we go. My name is Lisa Marie Henderson, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Lisa Marie Henderson. So first off, ma'am, thanks for hopping on. Thank you for having me. Now, you know, it's funny, this is, I don't know how long ago we started texting. I feel like it was like six months ago. I kind of forgot about it because I was like, oh, this is probably never going to happen. And then it's come full circle and here we sit. But for a lot of the listeners, especially out West, if they're not around Hamilton, they probably have no idea who you are. So let's start with who is Lisa and we'll dig into it. Yeah, so I am a woman, a mother, a freedom fighter, but realistically, I was a municipal worker. So I worked for the city of Hamilton as a property manager. I managed 600 social housing units for close to four years before the COVID mandate came into play.

So, yeah, I was a strong advocate. I was protesting just, you know, when the lockdowns were happening before the mandates even. came to fruition. People's businesses were being shut down. I was obviously just grateful to be working. I was an essential worker. We never stopped working property managers. We're boots on the ground. We're on site. We're collecting rent. We're still doing all of the things that need to happen in operations. So we were on the front lines. We were, you know, heroes doing all the risky business and making sure that things were still getting done when majority of people were working from home and having that luxury. So I was very grateful to be working to still be employed,

to still be having an income with, you know, my partner is a business owner, a restaurant owner, bar owner, so his businesses were completely shut down. So I was just really grateful to be working. Are you originally from Hamilton? You're originally in Ontario? I was born and raised in the city of Hamilton. So when this all starts coming down, down you walk me through it because you know like a west here we had our own thoughts as it as it started to come in and certainly if people you know could see it coming a mile off they weren't maybe they were screaming at the top of their longings but for most of us we were you know batting down the hatches and

different things I'm curious from someone who was born and raised in Hamilton and then working for the city of Hamilton what give us the give us a view from where you were sitting? So from where I was sitting, you know, I really feared and hoped that I wouldn't come to fruition that they would come from my job. Obviously, it came first as a recommendation, strongly recommended.

You know, we were getting emails about pop-up vaccine clinics, you know, do your part, all of that. And that was coming from senior level management, you know, the city managers, the people at the very top within our own organization, so the CEO of housing, you know, really coming, into the meetings actually into our you know our operations meetings saying you know uh and you know you can't ask people if they're vaccinated but they would bring it up in conversation so people would willingly volunteer their vaccine next vaccination status so they would like oh i got mine and i got

this and it's like an open dialogue that was created in operations meetings which to me should never medical information is private and personal and we shouldn't be discussing it in an operations meeting period end of story so that was kind of where it's started and then over time it just can I hop in Lisa I want to go I want to go back even further than that because the vaccine conversation although I certainly remember it being in a a western Canada meeting for the company I was at in June of 2020 if people can remember that far back well before they were ever developed they talked about we aren't going back to normal until a vaccine comes through and I remember thinking what the hell are they talking about like

that's pretty crazy you know like three months in and I was thinking we're going back to work You know, from a city point of view, I was actually curious, even before the craziness of all the vaxes coming through and everything, you know, you have a husband or a partner who has got a business owner, bars, right? Like things like that. We're getting shut down different things like that. From a city standpoint, was everybody freaking out right at the start of this thing? Or was it controlled chaos? I'm just kind of curious from an inside view of it. Yeah, so it was unknown. In the beginning, we didn't know anything about the virus. We didn't know the survival rate. In the first month, I think people were, even myself included, I was generally scared. Like, I didn't know what this was. And then very early on, we found out the survival rate, like these things kind of came forward from a city perspective. It was just a lot of policy changes. There were so many changes in operation of how things were going to be done because it went, you know, virtual working from home. So a lot of those processes that were in place needed to be changed. And because the direction from the

federal government constantly changed. You know, we were in red zone, we were in yellow zone, we were in all these different variations of lockdowns. And so every time something happened, we had to morph and adapt and create policies that could be applicable to these changes. So it was just like a constant change of policy. Okay, now we're doing this. Okay, now we're doing this.

Okay, now stop. We're going to do this now. So it was a lot to take on and as a property manager managing 600 social housing. units. My job is already crazy. I'm already all over the place. So it was just added stress, added work. And they made things, you know, things already kind of moved very slowly with the city. So it really did bog down the systems. It did slow everything down even more. You know, things were just not operational. And we were working with skeleton crews. Like I said, the property managers were always essential. But in the office, so our organization is an

organization of 185 people. We only had skeleton crews like, you know, two or three, four, or five people in each department, you know, finance was obviously had to keep keeping that money, people getting paid, things like that. But for the most part, a lot of people were working from home. And so it's a conveyor belt of work. You know, I do my portion. It goes to the next person, goes to the next person, goes to next person. So if you have a break in that line or somebody's taking a week to do something that takes a day when it's in person, you know, it creates all of these delays and problems when it comes from an operational standpoint. So it was frustrating navigating through all of that for sure, but it was a lot of change, a lot of back and forth

and trying to mitigate, you know, what the public health standard was, what we needed to be doing, you know, we were putting stickers on floors, we were social distancing. We never stopped doing lease signings. I never stopped moving people in, but like all of our community centers, social services, everything was shut down. And when you're dealing with the most vulnerable people in the community. Like this is what keeps people going is these services and this interaction and this tenant engagement and all of that stopped. So I really did see a decline, especially in my seniors, because their families, it's emotional, they stopped visiting, you know, and they were alone and they didn't have their social services and things that in a lot of these people in vulnerable

communities, like they don't have support, you know, like they don't have a family's going to show up with food and the little family that they have or, you know, a lot of people were left isolated and alone and, you know, that takes a toll on them and even just witnessing it. It was, and it's still going on today. You know, people are suffering. Canadians are suffering. When you look back at it then, at what point are you going, you know, you mentioned like a lot of things off the hop, different titles you give yourself, but you said, you know,

from a city standpoint, from your standpoint, you know, you know, you mentioned, you know, You know, at the start, you're kind of like, I don't know, let's go home. Like this, I think you kind of resonate with my feelings. Like, well, it's batting down the hatches. Let's see what goes on, you know. Let's keep everybody away from each other for a bit. At what point does something fishy just your brain change? And you're like, hmm.

For me, it was finding out the survival rate and then finding out the protocols that they were doing in the hospitals. You know, the suppression of, you know, early treatment, doctors being blackballed. I generally don't trust pharmaceutical companies. They have the worst track record in the history of humanity. So generally, I'm very skeptical when it comes to things like that in general. But yeah, it was just the survival rate, the protocols. And obviously all the information was coming out, you know, eventually.

I mean, not right away, but, you know, that vaccinated people who were catching and starting the virus through breakthrough infections. And there were so many moments of validation. because things that I had been skeptical about about the vaccine and ended up coming to full fruition and finding out that I was, you know, I had every reason to have those fears because it was true. And it ended up happening exactly that way. So, yeah, I was able to pick up on that pretty early on.

I'd say it didn't take a couple of months. I would say for me to kind of be like, okay, this is an agenda. This is being pushed down from the very top. It was a top-down approach. Everything was just like, you know. And yeah, it was, I did realize very early on. And then, you know, them locking down businesses, like my husband's business being locked down,

but Costco's wide open, all these, you know, corporate businesses, that was infuriating. So there was a lot of things that came to the surface that made me realize that there's a lot bigger than what we were being told. At what point do you bring it up at work? At what point are you, like, sitting there as a, you know, a manager of all these social,

it's going like, guys, we got a big problem here. So I have a very good working relationship with everyone that I work with. We are very close. There was only 15 property managers. And we're like family, you know. So I was able to express pretty early on my feelings. But as far as like being vocal on like a higher level, I think that really came out when they implemented the policy.

Then I shifted into another year for sure. Yeah, what changes when you become vocal? Because, you know, certainly I have my own background and when you start to voice concerns and how that feels and, you know, certainly having a podcast and bringing people on to talk about the opposite side was an interesting purview of what the heck is going on. But I'm curious, you know, in a city, you know, position like that. Yeah, so for the, sorry. No, no, not at all. I'm very curious about him.

So for me, I have a unique set of circumstances the way that it happened. So my mother actually received her first shot of Pfizer against her better judgment. So my mom didn't want to be vaccinated. She was kind of bullied into it. Social pressure. She felt like she needed to do the right thing. And all of those talking points really. took, you know, close to three, I'd say over two, close to two years for her to actually finally

give in and do it. And my mom was someone that I was actually sharing information with, you know, about the spike proteins, the graphene oxide, like all of the things that were coming to the surface. I was sharing with my mom because my mom's, you know, my best friend and I didn't want her to get it. And so I wasn't worried about my mom because I knew that she knew. She, you know, doesn't trust pharmaceutical companies. She had. had, you know, reactions to medicines in the past, like my mom was very sensitive. So that's actually why she didn't want to be vaccinated and she vocalized that to my entire family more than once, that she thought something bad was going to happen. I won't get into the details of how it

happened, but she ended up, I was away on vacation actually at the cottage and my mom got her first shot of Pfizer on August 2nd. My mom suffered an immediate adverse reaction seven minutes after injection. She actually started convulsing at the clinic and was rushed away in an ambulance to the hospital. So my family, because of my stance, didn't tell me because they didn't want to tell me. They knew how hard I was going to take that. And my mom was hoping that the symptoms would go away and that she wouldn't have to tell me. So I actually found out on August 17th about my mom. And I rushed home early from vacation as soon as I found out. So that was August 17th. And then the city of Hamilton implemented their COVID-19 policy on August 19th.

So two days later. So I found out about my mom. And then I got slapped with the policy. Now the policy unit initially came out, it allowed for testing. And then there was an amendment in January of 2022 that included a termination date of May 31st. So in January, January we found out we were going to get fired six months from now. So in August though, that's when I found out of my mom. That's when the initial policy was introduced. So it was probably one of the most traumatic things to ever happen to me. And there was constant emails coming through, you know, encouraging us to get vaccinated. Like I said, pop up clinics and, you know, thank you to the, because they kept track of the percentage of the people who were. So in the end,

you know, thank you to the 87% who have done the right. thing and you know and it's like what I'm not doing the right thing I'm just a danger to society I'm infecting my colleagues I'm killing grandma like these horrible things that are not true and now we know they're not true and I knew that they weren't true at that time but that's what the narrative was right so when this happened I was already in the movement because I was protesting against the lockdowns like I was against this from the offset right so because of that I was included in all of these groups, WhatsApp, telegram, signal, like just out of control. I was not active in these groups, but I was included in them and I occasionally would scroll

through. And I just knew that everybody was like-minded in these groups, right? So when I found out about my mom, they implemented the policy. I just can't describe what happened inside of me. Like I shifted into a year that I still don't even understand. It just, so I went into every single group with strangers, people I did not know. And I said, I sent a mass message to every single group that I was in saying, my name is Lisa Marie Henderson.

I worked for the city of Hamilton. I am going to fight this mandate. My mother was vaccine injured. I'm not doing this. If you or anyone you know works for the city of Hamilton and wants to fight with me, this is my phone number. please call me. I was also collecting vaccine injury testimonials, which I later did presentations to unions with, changing the hearts and minds of people with the anecdotal information that I had.

And I sent this message out to all of those groups. And I swear my whole life changed. My phone just blew up. I had people calling me from every department across the city of Hamilton. And I personally vetted each person into the group because the main thing for me, I needed to find my fellow warriors, the people that were going to take termination. Like I was not doing this, you can fire me. I will die on this hill and I needed to find the same people with the same mentality. So when I was vetting people into the group and I did have the help of my right-hand woman, Zora, who was an assistant to one of the city counselors, which is an assistant. incredible. That was my main question to people. How far are you willing to go? Are you willing to take termination? And having these open and honest conversations with people, like no shame.

Like people had mortgages. I had two kids. I've got two mortgages. I just got this job. Like, I can't afford to lose my job. And it's like respect. I totally get that. But this isn't the group for you because I need to find the people that are literally going to take termination. So each person I vetted, I talked to for at least an hour. to two hours. So if you figure I collected almost 200 unvaccinated city workers, grassroots, word of mouth, and an hour, two hours with each person, crying with people, listening to all of their stories, all of the ways that this was impacting them, single mothers with heart conditions with four children being forced into vaccination, bawling their eyes out. I had grown men crying to me,

saying that their wives were going to leave them and take the children if they didn't keep their city job. There were so many things that happened. We had people in our group who stayed and held out to the very end because obviously the objective was to dwindle down those numbers. And that's exactly what they did with this termination clause. You know, we had close to 1,800 people in the beginning. Oh, the city of Hamilton employs over 8,000 people. So we started with 1800. By the end of it, we had less than 500 people. So in my own division, 183 people initially we had 55 and they got it down to like seven at the end. So just to give you some perspective of what that does and that breakdown and that psychological breakdown, I had people, cancer survivors, you know,

they knew the information that there's an increase in cancer after they get the vaccine, that the vaccine damages the T cell receptors, doesn't allow oxygen into the cell, creates a breeding ground for cancer. Like these are people who knew the information and had to go sit in a chair, get an inoculation against their will to keep their job. And like, I just don't know how anybody can look at that and think that that's moral, ethical, humane. And I feel like a lot of people knew it was wrong, but people stayed silent, which was a big part of it. It's like people weren't vocal. There weren't people like me going out there, you know, taking this on with a torch, you know, ready and willing to, to speak out. And, you know, there wasn't.

was a really strong group of us. And we did every advocacy we could to get them to drop this mandate. And that's quite the story too, because we ended up fully litigating. And we were successful. They did suspend the policy eight days, nine days after being served our 825 page notice of application, which was a year of work because we saved everything, every minute meeting. Every single thing that they put out did changes. We had people in our group who were given a relationship.

religious exemption and then denied. We had someone in our group who had an autoimmune disease and were advised by their doctors, do not take this vaccine. You know, you had me who my mother was vaccine injured and my grandmother was vaccine injured. She had shingles for six months in the arm she got vaccinated in. And nobody even thought to make the correlation. It was actually me. My mom says, oh, she's not doing well. She's got shingles. She's in so much pain. It's gotten into her armpit, into her nervous system, like she was in agonizing pain. And I simply said, is it the same arm she got the vaccine in? And my mom was like, yeah, it is.

Like not even, you know. And that is a side effect. A lot of people experienced getting these shingles for extended periods of time post-vaccination. So honestly, there's so much information. There was so much that happened. And it was a year-long battle. So it took us quite some time to get organized and all of that.

It was, you know, I was hosting weekly Zoom meetings. So as I was funneling people into the group, I was hosting meetings and bringing on firefighters, police officers, people who are in different sectors subject to the same policies with sharing information. We had, you know, three to four hours of Zoom meetings every week talking about the legislation, occupational health and safety. the charter, like which legislation cancels out what? This is a higher level legislation. I literally taught myself everything I possibly could so that I could fight this. And then I was educating and bringing people together,

having open discussions on Zoom. I eventually found a lawyer. Her name was Amanda Armstrong. Amazing. Her and her mother had a practice in Toronto. And I went on a take action Canada call. I didn't know what to do. Like I was at a loss.

So people were like, how did you know to do these things? I'm like, I don't know. I just did it. Like I just felt this overwhelming obligation to do this. Like, so I went on this call to take action Canada. There was a lawyer on the call. And then when it came time to answer questions, I just, my name is Lisa. My mom, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Same thing. Getting emotional because it's emotional. And got in contact with that lawyer. So she started attending our calls answering questions. Yes, you can do this. No, you can't. Okay. So we had a mixed bag of nuts.

You know, we had union. non-union contract. So you have different, you know, you have collective bargaining agreements. The unionized staff are subject to grievance and arbitration where we have non-union who aren't. So it's a lot of intricacies, a lot of complexity working through all that. And it kind of just kept snowballing. Like one thing would lead to the next, lead to the next, lead to the next, eventually the

HSR, the local ATU 107. So they employed 800 bus drivers, basically, for the city of Hamel, And they found out about me what I was doing. And the VP eventually got information that he wanted to meet me. And I was like, okay, I'll meet him. So I went down to the local ATU107, met with him, talked to him for an hour, really impressed him. He was like, listen, you're so articulate, you know what you're talking about, you speak from the heart. We're doing this vote.

So at the time, they were kind of deciding that locally to U107 was deciding like what kind of stance they were going to take. going to support the workers on fighting for their bodily autonomy or were they going to come talk down like a lot of other corporations. And so I knew that they were outnumbered that a lot of these people had these narrative propaganda, like they believed all these things. So I actually, after I met the VP, he wanted me to meet the entire board of executives, which was six people, including the president. And I had five days to prep for this meeting. And I went straight to Zora's house. I had a cloud, so I had been saving all the information. And when I say information, I mean credible information from doctors. You know, the definition of vaccine changing three

times on the WHO website. Like I literally compiled credible information from local doctors, peer review studies, breakthrough infections. I put this whole thing together. It took me eight hours to print six packages, which eventually they call them evidence packages, which I didn't even know that's what I was doing at the time, but apparently their evidence packages, because the biggest thing that I found when I was talking with people was they would be like, well, where's your sources? Like, where did you get this information? And it was like, I can't feed it to people with a spoon, right? And then that was kind of always the argument. So I made this evidence package so that I could hand it to them. And there was no excuse. Here's the information. Read it. You have an obligation to read this information.

Dissect it. Use your discernment and make your own decisions on what you feel is right at this time. So I put these evidence packages together. I went down to locally T1-07 and I cried in my car because I'm like, it's nerve-wracking. This whole thing. I'm just like, what am I even doing? Like, what is life right now, you know? So I'm crying in my car and I'm like, I got to do this.

This is important and this is going to affect 800 people. 800 workers for the locally to 107. So I also looked up the president because I knew he was going to be the nut I needed to crack because everyone told me how, you know, he was and he was so steadfast in his beliefs. And so I creeped him out. I looked up his socials. I really got to know my opponent, you know, to see what I was going up against. And it was exactly what I expected seeing these posts, you know, speaking to falsehood.

out it simply weren't true right so I went into this meeting I presented them their packages and for the first 20 minutes of that it was an hour and a half I spoke for and um the president it took him about 20 minutes to finally make eye contact with me he wouldn't look at me for the first bit it's like he didn't want to see my eyes and eyes with windows to the soul so and i'm sharing information about the vaccine injury testimonials, what happened to my mother? Like, good luck telling me, I'm lying. I'm witnessing this.

I've got tears in my eyes. And you're not going to find this information on the news. You know, this is what I'm telling you, from a human being to a human being. And I said, you have the ability to make and have an impact and affect the lives of over 800 people. You can leave a legacy behind, well, people will remember what you did.

and going against the grain and going against what's popular opinion, it takes courage. So you have the ability, you're sitting in a position of power where you have influence. Use your influence for the greater good here. So I changed the hearts and minds of four people sitting at that table that day. And they took a vote after my meeting to host a town hall and to bring on a lawyer to teach the employees their rights and they hosted that town hall i think four or five days after my meeting and i still communicate with those executives they still kind of reach out to me from time to time and actually the president ended up running for city council you know later on down the line to

try to invoke change but you know he didn't get elected but he did try right so all of these things happened and then it wasn't until November that we found our freedom fighter lawyer it took so long to find him i argued with a lot of lawyers on the phone it was like even employment lawyers would argue with me like i was arguing about bill s 201 so there's actually federal legislation that's against genetic testing so you can't test you can't reveal the results of the test and then you can't subsequently discriminate against a worker based on the results of those tests. And PCR testing is a genetic test. So it's in direct violation of that federal legislation that was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2017.

So when I'm talking to lawyers... Lisa, where have you been? Here, doing all of this. You know, as I listen to you, you stir up feelings of loneliness because I think when you get emotional, I think most people like it really stirs up this like oh man those were tough days

you know horrible and and man I the anger I have towards media in particular at the role they played and not sharing any of these stories is like heartbreaking

and the fact you were having wins I'm like why did nobody hear about this? Because I mean I certainly you know I joke about us talking for like six months, right? Kind of off and on. And it's like, but this is like six months after all the things are falling off, you know, I remember the, I, I, I'm, you know, remember listeners reaching out about Hamilton because we were talking, I can't remember what it was. I don't know if I was saying things are back to normal or I don't know what had happened, but then different people started

reaching out. Well, Hamilton's like still moving forward. I remember that. Like, Hamilton's still moving forward with terminating unvaccinated. You're like, oh my God. Right? We're four months past like a whole bunch of things, you know, and certainly there's been things over the last year that have not made sense in different things. But like, I'm listening to your story. I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I was in, you talk about being in like five different chats. It's like, oh, my God. Yeah. I remember those days of like where the phone's just blown up and everything's. But, you know, it's funny. It's like, where were you? Oh, I know. Lisa was destroying people or at least bringing them over. And it's like, nobody heard. I didn't hear about this. I mean, we were siloed. They didn't want you to hear about it. And that's the main thing in my communications people. It's like nobody knew about these things. And like when you learn about, because you talk on a high level,

that Sam, Hamilton was one of the few municipalities that kept it going even after the provincial government dropped the mandates. It's like, no, we're still going to keep it. And when you find out the intricacies of how that happened with counsel and the absolute corruptive nature of that and the political posturing that went on, like when they were doing the votes, four counselors don't show us. up to vote when people's jobs are on the line. Like you are paid by my tax dollars. My job is on the line and you're not going to show up to vote on whether I can keep my job. What do you what do you mean? Can you

can you fill me in on? Yes. What do you mean that they're not showing up? Tell me this story. So there's so many stories within stories within story. So sure basically what happened was we we found our lawyer in November and you know at the time people were like oh we don't know what's going to happened in May. So many things change every day. Like the whole thing's going to get dropped. Like don't, you know, like that was a lot of the talk. So we didn't really jump like we were in communications with the lawyer. He was on our calls. We were talking with him. But it wasn't until about April because they still hadn't dropped everything before April actually, slightly before April. We sent a letter of demand to the city of Hamilton. So the city of Hamilton was well aware of the

unionized staff that was against the policy. But this unionized staff were subject to grievance in arbitration, which is a kangaroo court in a bunch of bullshit in layman's terms, okay? So they're bound by these processes that are drawn out, take forever, and all of those union lawyers are Bay Street yuppies in suits that are like compromised, in my opinion, okay? So, you know, they knew that they were bound to those, those arbitration and grievance and those policies with being a unionized staff. So that's actually how I found our lawyer.

He was the lawyer that brought forward the injunction for the UHN nurses. So the UHN nurses filed for an injunction to stop termination before it happened. They got a five-day injunction. And then the judge basically ruled that, you know, they're unionized. You've got to stick with the union. They've got to go through this process because you've got the union lawyers on the other side saying, you can't jump in the front seat of this. This is why we're here.

This is our process. Then you can't get ahead of this. You have to go. So the judge, you know, took a sterile approach, a neutral approach. a neutral approach and said, you know what, we're going to push this back to the unions. So those nurses were terminated. But when that happened, it got posted in the newspaper and I found his name. So I knew that he was going to get bombarded with phone calls because his name was in the paper now, this lawyer.

Okay. So when I called him, the other lawyer was like, you have to make an impression. Like, you have to like literally tell this guy everything on the voicemail because he's going to get hundreds of calls. Like he's not, he's going to be bogged down. So I left like a 10-minute voicemail. the most long-winded message of my life. And that guy calls me back that night, which I was like, oh my God, right?

Freedom Fighter on the same page, like mine. And who is it? His name is Ian Perry. Okay. He's located in Toronto if anyone needs him. He's amazing. So we sent a letter of demand to the city of Hamilton in April, slightly before April, saying,

I have been retained, so this is Ian, our lawyer speaking. I have been retained by an undisclosed number of non-union employees who are very concerned with the COVID-19 policy. And it was a four-page letter that was probably one of the best letters I've ever read in my life going over a vaccine injury, all of the things that you can imagine. And so because we were in our group of nearly 200, we had 15 non-union. So they are management, they are managers, right? So we're not subject. And I'm one of them. I was one of the managers.

I was a property manager, right? So I was a management position, so we weren't subject to the arbitration and grievance. So we go straight to the Superior Court. So they know that we're going to cut through all the bullshit because all the other cases never really got to the heart of the issue itself. It was like, oh, it's this, they get off on a technicality or it's unionized. It gets pushed, right?

So we served our letter of demand. After we served our letter of demand, council got together with the head of HR, so and the head of labor relations, and they put together a memo and they wrote it. So the head of labor relations was actually also a lawyer. He later resigned, actually, because word was that he didn't agree with what was happening. And he was the one getting all the emails from everyone, right? So he, they wrote together this memo of recommendations, basically saying not to fire us, right? To bring back the people who had been, who, who refused testing because people were put on unpaid leave.

There was about 100 people with the city of Hamilton who said no to even testing. Bring them back. Don't fire them. Counsel gets together. There's two votes. And I honestly, I'm going to get into this. I didn't know any of this. I had to learn this stuff as we went through it. So the political bureaucracy is what we learned. And so there was a first vote that happened. We won that vote. But it was a close vote.

I think it was like a seven to five vote. But not every counselor was there. and it was the GIC, so the General Issues Committee vote. So that's not the final vote. So on April 20th, they vote. Then the week later on April 27th, they do a second vote, which is the final vote, and that's the vote that counts. So when I listen to that April 20th meeting, people were calling me out and they're like,

congratulations. I'm like, did you listen to the meeting? Because I feel worse having listened to them now than before I watch that meeting, because they were all the nastiest things that you could say about on that. vaccinated people, okay? Or people who chose not to disclose. And they had their public health. And when, and sorry, Lisa, when, when, when, time frame, what time, like, what month and

year we at right now? So this is April. So April 20th, they had their first vote, which we won. Of 2022? That's correct. Yes. Correct. Okay.

Okay. So, yeah, they did their first vote. We won the vote, but it was really close. And in that meeting, they were just blasting us, like, with the same propaganda, the same talking points. So it was very painful to listen to them, right? So then the mayor was very staunch against us. Like the things that he said about us, we actually used as submissions in our evidence because it's actually disgusting language that he used. Could you, could you give, I don't, can you paraphrase or is there one that sticks out? Just for the listener, heck, for me.

Just that we were not doing the right thing that we chose to hold off and put the community at risk and everybody else did the right thing. And I am staunchly against dropping this mandate. Like just horrible. Horrible. I was so angry. Oh, my goodness. And it's not true what he's saying. That's the main thing.

You're lying. What you're saying is false. So after the April 20th vote, after I heard the way the mayor was speaking, I'm like, this mayor has one week to influence the final vote a week from now. And I knew that that's what was going to happen. Now, keep in mind, in my job, I work with the city counselors because their constituents are my tenants. So in our non-union group, one of the counselors' assistance was in our litigation, which is quite powerful. We also had a city solicitor in our litigation.

So even if you just looked at the names of the people involved, it was quite powerful. So on April 27th, the final vote, four counselors didn't show up. Three of those counselors had previously voted to not fire us, but their vote didn't count. So it was a tie, it was a tie vote. It was 6'6, that final vote. So we lost. We didn't defeat the vote. So we were still set for that May 31st termination.

And this is after like everyone celebrating, thinking, we won the first vote. The whole thing's going to get dropped. Boom, they pull out the rug from under us again. Nope. You're still getting fired. So all pandemonium breaks loose. People who were holding out were like, oh, my God, you know, what am I going to do?

Because the way the vaccines work with the double vacs, you have two weeks in between and then two weeks after to be considered vaccinated. So they weren't going to make their timeline. Oh, I remember this well. Yes. I remember this well. Yes. So they're freaking out.

They're like, oh, my God. if I get the first shot today and my next shot whatever because you had to space out the things and then the two weeks after because you're not vaccinated until two weeks later for whatever reason they weren't going to make the timeline so a lot of people started writing to head of HR head of labor relations like freaking out as I'm sure you can imagine and so what the city of Hamilton does how lovely of them they send out a letter saying oh I wish I had I would love to read it but it's ridiculous. Oh, for those of you who are hesitant on getting the MRNA vaccines because of the newer type of vaccine that it is, we're going to open a pop-up clinic for you and give you the J&J vaccine

because it's a more traditional vaccine. So if you're hesitant on the Pfizer or Moderna, you can get J&J. And the J&J was a one shot. So a lot of people went and got the J&J. as if like forced vaccination does it really matter the brand like whether it's j and j j moderna fizer you're still forcing people to get vaccinated to keep their job so yeah so that happens when that happened it's it's hard not to laugh about now you know now you can laugh but at the time this was like absolutely no no no i mean like we can laugh now because I mean we're a year in bit well a year by it essentially I mean but if you write down everything that went on over the course of like two two plus years you're like what the fuck is

going on right like I mean it's it's diabolical I don't even like to go back and listen to the podcast I was doing before the trucker convoy right because when I listen I'm just like how were we there I agree I don't I don't know I just I don't I I I don't I I I I I I I I struggle with that, you know? Yeah. But, but, but I, I, I, I hate to bring in, I hate to bring in, you know, Auschwitz into this. But, you know, I just had, I just did my, my live show with, um, with, uh, legacy media. That was back in Emmington, March 18th.

And Byron Christopher tells this, this story. And I was about to say, it's a lovely story, except it's not. It's an awful story. He's a, a, Byron Christopher is a 74 year old, uh, independent journalist who, you know, um, work for the CBC for a long time, but like, you know, his Wikipedia page says he's blood and guts crime reporting, right? Like, he's just this guy who marches to his own beat. He went over to Auschwitz. I can't remember how many years after World War II, but he was talking to, you know, and I would encourage people to go back and listen to the live audio from that night. But he was

talking to a lady who was over there who grew up, you know, living beside Auschwitz. And, and And he said, you know, they knew it was happening. They knew they were killing Jews. And he said, well, why didn't you stand up? And she said, because I couldn't afford to lose my job. And you're like, it could not be that simple. Except you look over the last two years and I don't mean to draw ties between Auschwitz and what went on because I think, you know, I don't know.

Even to me, I'm like, oh, man, that's a terrible comparison. But just the worst atrocity in the last hundred years to a group of people in a country. that we went to World War over. And they said, we knew it was going on, and I couldn't afford to lose my job. And it's like, well, how many people did you run into, Lisa, over the course of a year or two, who said, I got to get it. I just can't afford to lose my job. Majority of people.

And apathy is the biggest problem. So people, if it doesn't affect them, they turn a blind eye to it, right? It's like they're not at your doorstep yet, but they're coming for you, too. They just haven't got to you yet. You know what I mean? So, you know, Auschwish didn't start with gas chambers. It started with propaganda. It started with the you versus them.

It started with signaling out a group of people and making society believe that this was necessary. I read a book called Ordinary Men, and it was basically about those soldiers. How did they get ordinary men to do such a thing? These atrocities, literally lining people up on a wall and killing them, executing them, right? So apathy is a big problem.

Canadians are generally polite and kind and docile and complacent. And we think that's a great quality. it is but at the same time you need you need to stand up for what is right and sometimes that you know like that that means drawing a line and being like no more exactly and the reason why it's gotten as far is because people have stayed silent people who knew that this was wrong stayed quiet if everybody was doing what I was doing I don't think we would have ever been here it was the most traumatic experience and not because I haven't been through other traumatic

experiences. It was because of how prolonged it was. It went on forever and ever and ever and ever. And people think, oh, everything's good now. No, mandates are still a condition of employment for the city of Hamilton for new hires. So if you want to apply for the city of Hamilton, you still have to be vaccinated. That same, that, well, no, council's a little different now. They're even crazier now, apparently, but there was new council. We had a municipal election in October. And that council voted to keep in the mandate just a couple months ago. With all the information we have, we only have a select few municipalities just hanging on, right?

So it's just wild. Did you run for counsel? I'm curious. I should have. No, I didn't. I was told by so many people to do it, but it's just, I don't know. There's a lot, it's very multifaceted answer of why I didn't. No, and I wasn't looking, you know,

being on this side of things and doing a podcast and interviewing people all the time people have asked me if I'm going to go into politics lots and it's like well I think we need more people to get involved I think that's just it's just as simple as that one of the one of the things you know when you talk about they voted to keep it in yes one of the things I hope we learn is that you can't just go back to like we have to stay involved because if we don't, we're going to slowly have these things creep in in different ways. And then it's hard to repeal it. It's hard to pull all these things out. And I'll put my hand up. I went to my first ever city council meeting the other day. It was eye open. It was boring. Nothing happened. It wasn't

like this, you know, revelation of anything else just in going and sitting and seeing how they talk and seeing how things go. And you're like, huh, so this is what it is. Okay. When city council had their first in-person meeting, which was when this mandate was around the same time, they had their first in-person, so they actually came back into the office. We filled the chambers with people with signs. Don't fire my aunts, my uncles, my grandmother. They were being heckled when they were talking about the things that they were talking about. So I feel like a lot of this, too, they have the luxury of hiding behind their computers for a long time. And it's like they finally had to face the public and like couldn't handle the backlash that they were getting. Right. So there were a lot of

advocacy things that we did throughout that year. I actually hosted a fundraiser as well. We brought in live music. We had prizes. We raised over, you know, $30,000 for our legal fees. There were so many things that we didn't. Even planning that fundraiser was like a lot of work too. A lot of work. So where does it sit now, Lisa? You know, you tried, correct me if I'm wrong here. Yeah. You went about as hard as anyone I've heard of yet. You know, and that's saying something. There's a lot of people went very hard. I'm not making light of other people.

I'm just saying I've found another. Like I don't know how I didn't know who Lisa Henderson is, but I mean, isn't there so many that you stumble into? And you're like, holy crap, you were doing what? Yeah. So you went as hard about as hard as anyone else I've heard of. Where is it today? Because you ended up trying to sue the city of Hamilton.

That got thrown out. No, so we filed, we sent the letter of demand. They voted against the recommendations. We were still set for termination. Then council voted. So I was interviewing for other jobs while all this was going on, anticipating a termination, obviously. So I actually got presented a really good offer from a private company that I took. So I signed an offer with another company, May 18th, anticipating the May 31st termination. Five days before the 31st, they voted to extend the, the termination. So we're not going to fire you May 31st. We're going to fire you September 30th now. Okay. Oh yes. The old extending. So I made the decision to leave. I resigned from the city of

Hamilton effective June 1st the same day that they would have fired me. That sent a shockway through my entire division. Because of what was happening to me, I was like the most local person under the sun and I was telling people what was happening to my mom. And I had people say really weird things to me like, oh, your reason makes sense. Like I get why you wouldn't want to you. I said, what happened to my mom can happen to anybody. And if somebody knows that that's a chance or a risk, wherever there's risk, there must be choice. It's a basic fundamental principle.

Like, we've always agreed on this. So if that's a risk that that can happen and somebody makes a choice that they don't want to take that chance, that's their right. So, yeah, so I left the city of Hamilton. I cried. I packed up my desk. I said my goodbyes, which I can't explain.

That was my dream job. So I raised my son as a single mom for a big portion. of our lives in social housing to one day then manage it. It was a full circle full circle story for me. So that was the most heartbreaking thing ever to walk away, right? But I wasn't guaranteed my job in September. The litigation, we really felt like we were losing the whole way, even though we were winning. It was a struggle. And that's, you know, emotionally taxing going through something like that while you're working full time. And so I made the choice to leave, but I kept on with the litigation. I was the main point of contact with the lawyer and I obviously stayed financially

committed, right? So when they voted against it, so we finally filed our notice of application 825 pages, which was that entire year of work in one giant document. And the city suspended the policies nine days after we served them. So they stopped the termination. They ended up voting in to put the recommendations from April in August. So they just had to have. had to put us all through the ringer first, right? And think of how many people got vaccinated against their will in that time. Many people, hundreds of people. And...

Well, I think if you held out and you worked in a corporation, so you weren't in a private business, we saw that, I can certainly attest to it, and I know friends who can attest to it, where things happened, where they pushed you about as far as you thought you could be pushed, and then they pushed some more. and you saw people break down and go and just be like, I just can't afford.

I just can't, I can't keep, or just like mental, I just can't keep doing this. I joke about this now, but there was a stretch of like, I don't know, a month where I was calling buddy, I'm just going, I'm just going to go get it. Like, I just don't know if I can keep going anymore. I'm doing a podcast, Lisa, that's talking all these fucking people going like, don't do this. And I'm going, I know, but like, I just, like, that's how bad I got. And I know, I know. Every time I talk about this, it warps me back to that time.

It almost makes me uncomfortable, you know? Like, I just, huh. But that's where I was at. I was literally interviewing people two to three times a week, hearing all these awful stories. Hearing, like, Adam Conrad comes to mind. That was the fishing guide folks out of Saskatchewan who got it, had his dad die from it,

and then ended up in the Saskatoon Hospital. I think it was like something like three or four times with like heart problems, like over and over and over and over again and I'm still going I don't fucking know like maybe I'll just get this fucking thing like think about that think of how bad they pushed and pushed and then pushed some more yeah for someone like me talking to

all these people like I still carry all that with me those stories those tears like the untold stories you know and I think if people knew this like things that were happening like it's it's beyond and the thing is people don't know because most people were not affected by it so it's like they don't know it's not affecting their lives so it's like

I'm curious, Lisa, then. We don't have to talk about any names here, but certainly when we're done, maybe you should share a few, if you don't mind, share a few of those, because those stories we can tell. I mean, that's what the podcast is for. I mean, I'd have to obviously speak to those individuals. Absolutely. Out of respect for their own privacy. But yeah, I feel like those stories are the ones that really, like I said, that's what changes the hearts and minds of people when they really see what's happening to their everyday man and woman, their fellow Canadian, right?

So the city did drop the policy eight days after we served them. Then they asked us to withdraw our application. But we didn't because we were like, no, it's only suspended. It's not rescinded. The language is important. And we encourage substantial financial costs because you decided to vote against your own recommendations in April to only there do it. in August, that's when we incurred the most costs. So we wanted our costs. We should have never

had to pay for our bodily autonomy. Like this should have never happened. It should have never come to this. So we said, no, we're not withdrawing our application because we had our court dates already scheduled. So our final hearing date was September 26th. We were supposed to be fired September 30th. So we were going to get a ruling four days before termination. they obviously didn't want that. They read our application where probably fell off their chairs, okay? So they would not want that to come to fruition, especially in a court on public record, let alone, right?

So, you know, if I ever go to war, I want Lisa Henderson by my side. I think the whole audience can feel that, you know? That's like, here we go. I just, I don't know how I have this, and it personally, like I'm trying to figure. out like how I, why I am such the way I am. Like I went to an extreme that most people would never go to.

Like people would not do what I did in so many different ways. We did have a lot of freedom fighter warriors. There are certain things that I did that I didn't even know what it was going to be or how it was going to look, but I just did it, you know? And that's what people need to do. They need to just do it and speak out. I don't, tell me if I'm wrong, certainly. But being a single mom, you don't have anybody to lean on, I don't think, you know, other than your family, I assume.

But I mean, I can't speak to being a single parent. I'm married to a wonderful woman. We have beautiful kids. We had our arguments all through COVID. To this day, I love her brain. And, you know, I don't want anything else. But certainly being a single parent, if you weren't going to do it, nobody else is going to do it for you. Honestly, very good observation.

So obviously, I've been with my partner now for over 10 years. but I did raise my son as a single working mom. I commuted to and from Toronto. I put myself back through school in my 30s. Like I did and defied the odds. Like I was pregnant at 19. I could have become a statistic, but I worked really hard. So yeah.

I'm glad you pointed that out. I didn't mean to, I knew you were married. I didn't mean to put it down your husband. More that, like once you've gone through that, I assume you can't lose that. It's like. No, and I believe in my heart of hearts that everything that's ever happened to me in my life was preparing me for these moments.

I know that might sound a little out there. Some people, but for me, like everything I've ever done and I've always gone against the grain. I've done things my own way. I carved my own path. People be like,

Lisa, you can't do that. And I be like, yes, I can't. Or Lisa, go left and I go right. Don't touch that.

Touch, touch, touch. Like, I innately just have always been this way to question things. And I'm not afraid to use my voice and to go against the grain. I've done it quite a bit in my life. So this was like the pinnacle.

of everything that I've ever done. And it's the most important work of my entire life. I'm so proud of everyone who was involved. It took a village. It was a labor of love. It really was. And I couldn't have done it without the people that were involved. And yeah, you're right.

I have always done kind of things on my own and I have family support. But at the end of day, it was always me taking care of my son and myself at the end of the day. right so yeah i i feel like i was prepared for this by god honestly um so this is a very narrow path i've chosen to walk and i've taken a lot of heat i've lost you know friendships i've had collie uh my situation with my work my family like it's all sides kind of going up against every part of my life to speak this truth and it has been very difficult but also the most rewarding experience of my life. I've met the best people I've ever met.

And for every single person I lost, I gained 50 other people who would literally, you know, fight with me. And it's like a soul family, you know? Like, it's a frequency. We're viving on the same frequency. We understand each other. You think easy equals like a happy life, you know?

I don't know how we ever got that put in the back of our brains. My wife was just laughing at me as we're driving because she's like, I know what you're going to say about it. And I'm like, I'm not going to say anything. I don't even know what I say about this. I'm kind of chuckling, but it's like, you know, I don't want difficulty for my kids. I don't want difficulty for myself. I want things to go smoothly.

And yet you learn so much about yourself when things get tough. And you learn a lot about other people when things get tough. You sure do. And certainly, you know, it's funny that you say it's the pinnacle, but I'm like, I don't know, Lisa, I'm going to, you know, I'm not going to date you because I know better than to throw out women's ages, but you know, you're a young woman in my eyes. I don't think you're this old grandmother. And I've seen some grandmothers still fighting with piss and vinegar right now. So it's like, you call it the pinnacle.

It's like, man, I don't know. I'm wondering what this is setting us all up for here in the next 10 years, to be completely honest. No, I agree with you. And obviously, this is a far bigger agenda. And it's, it could be just beginning. I'm hoping for a little bit of reprieve until my next battle. But yeah, I'll go back out there if I have to. I don't care.

The truth matters most to me. And justice, I hope that they're, the biggest thing for me is I hope there's accountability. There's zero accountability. Like all these things happen. Everyone's like, oh, just, we're all moving on with our lives. It's like, I can't heal from this until you acknowledge what happened, how horrible it was, and apologize, and that's still not enough. Sorry, but. Is that what you want?

Is that, I'm curious. You know, it's funny. One of the, one of the things that has come up an awful lot. thought is like how do we move on as a like a society as a collective you can't move on without the acknowledgement of the incident how could to pretend it never happened like that's kind of a slap in the face to all the things that we endured I've never been through anything like the things I've been through in the last three years and I'm just supposed to pretend that it didn't happen I need people to acknowledge it like I'm talking about like officials you know are

media. There's no accountability. Daniel Smith acknowledged it and she got attacked for it. And that's the thing. From like everybody. Like it was wild. People are so afraid to say what they really feel because they get attacked by the mob. That's what the reality is.

People scour and hide because they don't want to deal with the hardship that comes with speaking out or having people approach you with a different opinion. At the end of the day, in a free and democratic society and a true free and democratic society, open dialogue is the one thing that we need to keep. We need to have these conversations. It's okay to disagree.

You can still be friends and have different opinions. You can still be friends and vote for a different political party. Everything has been so polarized, and that is intentional. Divide and conquer is the biggest and the most common in the playbook of every playbook that we've ever seen. And I incur people, like, oh, how do you draw the parallels? Read a history book. And, you know, like, we can see what's happened.

It's like, oh, it's just doing my job. It's like, we've heard that before. And during the Nuremberg trials, they weren't allowed to use that, actually. You were just following orders and doing your job is not enough. If you're morally and ethically doing something wrong, and really, for all the doctors who are not speaking out and seeing vaccine injuries and not talking about it and still injecting people, like, I have a problem with that.

Like, I think it's wrong. Like, morally and ethically, they took an oath to do no harm. And if you're, you know, that's, that's the one, that's the one I'm struggling with right now. Is I've had, I don't know, I lose count sometimes, which sounds terrible. But, you know, like I got close friends now that have loved ones with backs injuries. And they're trying to, like, this has come out. this isn't like seven days after. This is like six months,

a year. That's right. Later. Yeah. And they're all going like, what do we do? Who can we talk to? You know?

Nobody. Right. Well, the problem in Canada is nobody. Nobody's willing to, you know, and so if you're listening, that the big thing has been pushed from the doctors that I've talked to is

FLCCCC, right? Yes. The group out of the United States. And there's tons more stuff coming out. There's, uh, naturalists coming out with different things. and different things like that.

But the fact that you can't go into a doctor right now and be like, I'm pretty sure I got a vaccine injury. Like, can we just talk about this for a second? And that's like off the table is... So the other fight that I took on outside of the mandate was fighting for my mom's medical exemption. So I went through that whole battle as well with her, talking to cardiologist, all the things.

And I'm going to tell you, my mom has a medical exemption. It took six months of fighting to get it. She had a good doctor who did the administrative of work required because it kept getting rejected, asking for more information. So it took him a lot of time to, you know, it's administrative work that a lot of doctors are bogged down. They're probably not going to have time or want to do these things. He did this for my mother, my mother's doctor.

Her first medical exemption had a six-month expiry date. Okay? Just throwing that out there. They lied on the medical documentation saying that she had an adverse reaction dash skin. My mom had no skin problems. Well, later she did, but it was the convulsions in her heart initially, is how it started. But at the clinic itself, it was the convulsing, right?

And when I was trying to talk to her doctor about getting that public health record updated, he's like, oh, it doesn't matter. It's like they're going to look at my notes. I said, no, that is what's documented? That's medical forgery. That matters. These things matter. So after six months, they wanted my mom to do allergies.

test. They're like, oh, you had a reaction to Pfizer. Well, maybe you can take Moderna or this or that. Like, it's absolute lunacy. My mom's like, I'm not doing any of that. So she has her second exemption now, has a five-year expiry. I'm just like, are you waiting? Like, why? What is the reason? And just so you all understand, my mother has a medical exemption and she is not documented in the VAR system for Canada. How does that work? She has a medicine. medical exemption, but she's actually not documented because it gets blocked. These injuries aren't being censored and suppressed.

My mom is a medical exemption. She's not even listed. So again, my own anecdotal story. This is the truth. This is what's happened to me. This is what happened in my life. This is what happened. My mother.

Like, you're not going to hear about this. But this is happening everywhere. And it's like, that's why I came on today because I feel like if people know, this, maybe they'll act differently or at least have a different perspective. Not everything is black and white. This is actually the biggest gray area

ever, right? I appreciate you coming on and doing this and sharing a bit of your story. I wonder when Lisa Henderson's making a Western tour so we can actually meet in person because it would be cool to sit down and actually

shake your hand and I get to me. I say that a lot lately, but I mean, geez Louise, that's what an hour it's been. Before I let you out of here, we've got to do the Crude Master final question. And, you know, folks, if you're listening to this, text me because I'm like, I get to this question every time. I'm like, man, I feel like I kind of get what Lisa stands behind. But the Crude Master question is, he's words, if you're going to stand behind a cause, then stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Lisa stands behind?

there's a few things but I stand for truth over political correctness and I stand for justice and the freedom of choice and bodily autonomy the right to choose and I feel like to do what I've done and what others have done it takes courage it really does it's really hard so yeah I stand for those who have the courage to do this because it's the hardest thing I've ever done. And I've done a lot of hard things. So, and like I said, it's the hardest thing I've done just because of how prolonged it was. But at the end of the day, I stand for truth and justice. And I want accountability for all of this.

So one day, hopefully. Well, I appreciate you doing this, Lisa. Very nice to meet you. And certainly, you know, it's cool to hear different people across Canada that are, that standing up and speaking out and, you know, learning a lot about, you know, the ins and outs of our, not only our legal system, but, you know, city council and different things like that. It's certainly interesting to finally hear from you, you know, because I've been told a lot about you.

So I appreciate you finally hopping on and doing this with me. Yes. I am grateful to be here and hopefully, hopefully, you know, enlightenment leads to change. So hopefully we can all become enlightened and ascend to the truth and You know support each other because the people who were Vaccinated and didn't know the information and relied to they didn't have informed consent They weren't told and that's wrong So we're gonna have to support our fellow man and woman

Through this time because it's gonna be hard for them It's hard for everyone, but unity, right? It's the only way through is if we come together Find a way to come together. Well, I appreciate you hopping on doing this. Yes, thank you for having me. That was Lisa Henderson folks and you're probably wondering, oh, this is interesting. Sean's trying something new. Sean is trying something new. So that is, we have a sponsor at the end of the show now. So today's episode has been brought to you by Calrock Industries. If you're looking for tanks, we're talking oil field here, used surplus frack, sales and production tanks. Just head over to calrock.ca.com to find out more information.

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