Shaun Newman Podcast - #415 - Zuzana

Episode Date: April 19, 2023

She spent the first 27 years of her life growing up in communist Czechoslovakia and in January 2019 she wrote an article that went viral titled "I survived communism are you ready for your turn?". Link to Zuzana's article: https://spencerfernando.com/2019/01/03/i-survived-communism-are-you-ready-for-your-turn/ Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Let me know what you thinkText me 587-217-8500

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So buckle up. Here we go. So my name is Susana Janosva-Dembourg, and you are listening to Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Susanna, Jonasova, Denbore. I hope I got that right. And I just want to say thanks for hopping on. Thanks for having me.

Now, you grew up in Czechoslovakia under Communist Rer. rule for the first stage of your life. I don't know where you want to go with it. I don't know where we start, Susanna, but I'm going to let you go. And if I stop you in your speech or in your talk, I apologize, but I'm going to be curious as I'll get up this morning. But I appreciate you doing this. And certainly I read your article.

I survived communism. Are you ready for your turn? And, well, I would just love to give you an opportunity. opportunity to talk about it and certainly hopefully I can ask some questions that you know the listener is thinking as well. Thank you Sean. So yes, as you mentioned, I grew up in communist Czechoslovakia and as a child I definitely didn't understand that I'm growing in any totalitarian system and everything was controlled

by Communist Party, you know, including education. system. So as a child actually, number one, I thought that I lived in free society. I did not understand what is freedom. And I would say that up to my university, I even believe that communism is good, you know, that I live in the best society. I felt sorry even for people in Western society, which is showing you how strong can be indoctrination, especially on children. you know so they are prone more to believe what they hear in school especially and also you know when they are surrounded by the same information so um in 1997 i decided to move to canada uh at that time czechoslovakia actually did not exist anymore uh communism collapsed in 1989

and Czechoslovakia was split in 1993. So I did not come here as a refugee, but experience from communism was definitely inside me. And I remember when my friends, they asked me, why are you moving to Canada? And, you know, beside many different reasons, I told them, well, I will live in Canada. I do not need to deal with Marxist propaganda.

done. So I have to say I was really wrong because now this is exactly what I'm doing. So I would say that my awakening started in 2015. Between 1997 and 2015, I literally did not pay attention to Canadian politics. It was fed up with politics, you know, from, you know, communist Czechoslovakia. I was concentrating on my profession and on business, I would say, which I love to do. But in 2015, very important election happened in Alberta, NDP won, you know. And all of a sudden, I could hear the same phrases, the same slogans, which I heard during communism, but this time in English. I remember when I talked to my Canadian husband and I told him, communist one, they said, no, no, no, they call themselves a democratic party.

And I said, I don't care how they call themselves. They act, they speak like are communists. So my husband asked me, can you please explain me that? So I explained him propaganda, how propaganda is created and how propaganda is working. My husband was so horrified that he told me, you know what, we Canadians, we are naive. We don't understand that. Can you please write article? So I did.

It took me over here to write article, which you mentioned. Sean, I survived communism. I'm ready for your turn. And what I'll do, Susanna, for the listener, is I'll put it in the show notes. That way, if they haven't seen it, they can click on it and read it as well. Thank you very much. That's the nice and easy way. So when I was done, and English is my second language, you can hear that I have an accent.

I asked my Canadian husband if he can do proof reading and he basically was working and polishing article for another two weeks. And then we approached all mainstream media like Global News, Calgary, Herald and so on. Of course, nobody replied. So I already started to pay attention to alternative medias and I sent email to Spencer Fernando in January, 2018, and within two hours he published my essay, which has almost 3,000 words. And it went viral. I was quite surprised. So it was already resonating with lots of people. especially people who had similar experience.

Like I was at the time working with my colleague who grew up in communist Romania. And we literally both agreed that we are starting to have the same feelings just like we had during communism. You know, the feeling that society is behaving the way just like we saw during communist. She in Romania and I in Czechoslovakia. So I have to remind that I wrote this article and was published before COVID pandemic. That's quite important. And in this article, I describe stages of subversion of society used by KGB. because I realize that people, they don't understand how society can be changed from

democratic country to totalitarian state. It's not taking tanks, it's not taking war just like a second war and first war. It's taking decades and certain steps, you know, how you subvert entire society. So at the beginning, I would like to say that lots of people are confused, and one was my husband. You know, communism can be characterized by one word, deception. They will always pretend that they are somebody else. They will come under different names, you know, different slogans, but with the same goal, total enslavement. And right now, they call them so different.

Communism, this word was discredited, so they won't call themselves communist. They were called themselves differently, like liberals, Democrats, or even conservatives. So I'm always telling people, do not pay attention to words. Words are cheap. Pay attention to actions. What exactly that person, that party is doing? So this is before I would start to talk about those stages of subversion of society, but do you have some question on this first part? I have lots of questions flooding my brain right now.

I'm curious if I go back before you entered Canada. You mentioned essentially the first 18 years of your life, I assume. You were quite happy. You thought it was like the greatest country in the world, and then you hit university. I was wondering what in university sent off, whether it's a red flag or all send your brain, what made you question it? Because if it up until that point had been, everything seems great. I'm not worried about anything.

What was it back then that made you start questioning things? Very good question. Thank you, Sean. So that was 1920 when I entered university and of course was. still communist regime in Czechoslovakia. And I was in a group of people who've been quite opposite of communism, but everybody was very careful to speak because we had spies everywhere, and they were reporting, even students.

But I wanted to tell you what definitely was my turn point. We had every month mandatory meetings. with a member of Communist Party who came to university, they gathered us in one room and he was giving us political speech, how Communist Party is important and good, how communist regime, its right regime with social justice and all this, you know. And our professors and teachers, they always control attendance. control attendance. So if I would not be there in this political propaganda meeting, I would

actually have a problem to finish university. So they were controlling us, that we have to be there. So majority of us, they've been, you know, there just for the sake to continue. But, you know, we already, that was in the 80s, so we were already questioning a little bit still. I remember like today. So the guy finished his speech and then he asked, anybody has a question. Usually nobody had any question. And all of a sudden one guy stand up and ask question and he said, why we cannot have conservative party here in Czechoslovakia when Italy,

and he named another two or three Western countries, they have Communist Party. I was shocked. I thought that Communist Party is only in communist countries. So the guy who was doing speech, he did not have any answer. He just shut down somehow his question.

Sorry. I'm losing voice. So, and he basically didn't ask her. But what happened to me, I realized that something is really wrong. Why I cannot have any conservative Republican, libertarian party here, why we have only communist party and socialist parties. Only those two parties they exist in communist Czechoswaka, which was basically the same, you know.

So that was the big point for me, and I have started to read more about that and question more. I don't say that I was completely convinced at that moment, but... You started pulling on a thread. Exactly. And then I naturally started to associate myself more and more with a group of young people who have been very, very anti-communist, you know, and they hate communists. And there was lots of lots of discussion how society is working. So over span of nine of four years when I was at university, I learned a lot. And definitely I was a different person when I finished university than at the beginning.

So I was very, very indoctrinated, brainwashed, oblivious when I was 16, 17. I believed in social justice and that everything would ever say in us in school. that communism is the only right society with social justice. And I have a reason why I'm using this word over and over, you know, social justice. So because we saw that communism happen only in communist countries. I was not expecting that such a thing as threat of totalitarian state can happen also in West. You know, your use of social justice over and over kind of unnerves me. For all the reason.

What is your reason for saying social justice over and over again? Well, I was thinking once I was started to explain stages of subversion of society. That will come and I will tell you why. It's a little bit sarcasm from my side because I know what is behind of those two words. it's anything but justice anything but can I I I hate to bounce around on you but before I lose this thought you said that in university you're talking you're talking about this political guy coming in and he talks there's never any questions and you said something that I just think it sends off like warning

bells in my head you say everyone was careful to speak and I feel like right now, certainly through all the COVID. Everyone was careful to speak. And even if you did speak, you just get shunned off to somewhere where nobody can hear you say anything. And you watch all of our news programming and you watch just everything. Anything that's on the mainstream channels, everything is careful on the words they use and everything else. Nobody talks openly. The only way you get that is if you go to independent channels. And certainly I feel like it's maybe becoming more prevalent because more people are starting to find their voice. But when you say careful to speak, I would assume you see that tenfold right now in Canada.

Am I wrong on that thought? No, you are absolutely right. And what I learned not only when I was writing my article, but also later during COVID, I was doing lots of speeches, you know, in freedom rallies. And I was again explaining people's psychology of totalitarian system and subversion of society. Because I can tell you Canadians, and I would say in majority of Western countries, people they haven't been exposed to such a propaganda just like they are now. You guys, you don't have experience with propaganda and indoctrination.

Usually, you know, government maybe was a little bit. corrupted but was watching for their people and and trying to do what they're supposed to do. Then journalists, they were doing their work, you know, and that's what was my experience when I moved to Canada 26 years ago. Okay. Well, what basically is trained people was to trust government and to trust mainstream media. Well, I came from Cistern. which taught me exact opposite. To question always government and to question always media. And that actually helped me a lot during last, I would say, three, four years to understand

what is happening in this society. And I literally feel obligated to speak because hopefully this will help somebody else to understand. So, and this is again, part of this subversion of society. You know, we are just now touching a little bit around, but this is such a mechanism which I would like to explain.

Sure. Yeah. It's happening right now, right here. And it has four elements. And the first one is polarization. The second one is demoralization. The other one, it's

destabilization. And the last one is revolution. Okay. So those four elements you need to sever society. Now let me explain each one. So polarization. So in order to sever society, dictators first must polarize, divide society. And they use two very powerful emotions.

The first one is victimhood and the second one is fear. So what is victim who? victim was his feeling or hurt be damaged, use, exploit. It produced victimhood mentality. So what this mentality will achieve? So number one, it will turn people against somebody who was labeled as an abuser. And number two, it will make people weak. Whoever is staying in their victimhood mentality cannot move.

forward, cannot put whatever to happen to them in the past, cannot grow. Okay. So that person usually stay in the same spot and is becoming very weak. Also, it's very easy to manipulate somebody who feels victimized, you know, using their emotions against somebody who was labeled as an abuser. So in Czechoslovakia, they were turning people, they were turning us against business owners. They labeled business owners as a group of people who is trying to exploit you for their profit. And again, they did not call those people wealthy people.

They called them rich people. There is some certain play with words. So why they did that? Because they did not want people to have any desire to have business. And that means they can control all production of means, you know, all economy. And that was definitely the purpose. So this is one example. And I will give you more examples later.

but victimhood is really important because it's making people to feel victimized and they are definitely then becoming weak. I can tell you from my experience I never met in my life successful victim. Either you will choose to stay in your victimhood mentality and you will not progress or you will choose to be successful. You cannot have both. So that's a person. First emotion. The second emotion, fear. So do you know what is the most effective tool to achieve complete control of society? The same question was asked. Joseph Goebes was asked the same question, and we know very well that he was Nazi, Minister of Propaganda. And his answer was

one word, fear. And what is the oldest and strongest fear? It's a fear of that, which is triggering survival instinct. So when in the past this fear was used, and I would like to basically mention two examples, you know, the first one is climate change, and the second one is COVID, where fear was played a lot, and I mean lot. Here it's one example. of paragraph which was written by Goose Hall, former chairman of Communist Party of United States

in his book called Ecology. He said that human society basically cannot avoid destruction of environment under capitalism and only socialism can save environment. And he's then advised that

we must create movement with strong urgency narrative. And this urgency will make greenhouse effect powerful tool. Survival will highly motivate. And he said at first, we must inform public that the crisis is more immediate and so were. And there is no time for any universal scientific confirmation. So we know how they were pumping, literally fear inside people that in I don't know how many years. so we will have, you know, every city on the coast, on the water,

and how we will fry ourselves. They're still using this fear. Now, this is the first fear. The second is pandemic. We had touched us recently, you know. At the beginning, all mainstream media, they were spreading fear and narrative will get COVID will die. well we know that this is not true but when people they they when you really

get them scared you can control them so easily and and the keyword it's easily so they again they use this survival instinct you know to in to scare people so and and that is this first time of fear and the second type of fear is is to be demonized ashamed and call names like denier extremist racist antivox or even fascist so when you set it to challenge narrative or anything what is published and said you know by politicians and mainstream media and you are immediately demonized and labeled you know what's of people, they stop.

They don't want to go then. So, the purpose of this, shaming these people is to make them feel afraid to express their opinion freely. And the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia

had really one slogan. They said, who is not with us? It's against us. That's how I see some political parties now to behave. So remember, fear is primary tool to keep people silent and obedient. I remember when I moved to Canada, I was watching a discussion between two men,

and that discussion still stay in my mind. At the end of their discussion, one man said to the second one, I might disagree with your opinion, but I will make sure you will always have the opportunity to express your opinion. So I'm asking you, do we have the same freedom of speech, which we enjoy just one decade ago right now? I don't think so. Our freedom of speech, which is fundamental to free democratic society, it's eroding every day. So now, what are another examples of polarization? Okay.

We know that they use fear. They use victimhood. So where did they use that? Me Too movement. They were trying to turn women against men, labeling men as abusers. Climate change, we talk about that. So they were trying to turn citizens against oil and gas industry, against farmers and ranchers, Black Lives Matter, turning races against each other.

COVID-19, turning vaccinated against unvaccinated, against unvaccinated, And now it's identity policies. So basically, counseling people who have different opinions. So the result is that you fracture society into small groups and everybody is fighting against everybody. And I think during COVID they got even in families, you know, lots of families, they started to have really big. issues and that I don't know one part of family members they stop talking to another part of family members because of their medical decision and trust me this is their purpose they are specifically going after family because family has the strongest bond and if they can split and fracture family

then again they can control better people, you know, because then those people, they're exposed to other ideas. So this is first element, polarization. Another element which they use always. And it's happening at the same time, demoralization. And the purpose of this element is to demoralize society and individuals by erasing history. We saw that. destroying historical status, suppressing information about history, rewriting historical data, or even burning books,

then eliminating family values such as role of parents, replacing words mom and dad with parents X and Y, discrediting religious beliefs and starting to control church, attacking masculine energy to make men weak. There was the reason why they went after you guys. Again, to demoralize men. And then introducing hard drugs to society. So overdose can rise.

And individuals are easily destroyed. You know, animal again, then if they are destroyed, again, it's easily to control them if they survive. diminish importance of traditional mom's role. And then what we see now is counseling women by replacing them with biological men who call them some transgender women, letting them to compete in women's sport,

giving them access to women private rooms, such as a changing room in public purpose. So the women's safety is not anymore important. So more values of society are challenge. What was always considered as a moral it's not anymore

considered as a moral or that must be you know so there's bending around that and they of course they use and I will touch that later

what they use to justify all those changes you know so but but demoralization is playing a very important round. Also, what they are doing now is sexualizing children by introducing them to drag queen reading, perform and dancing, distributing pornography in schools. I don't know if this is happening somewhere in Canada,

but I saw quite few videos that this is happening in the United States. And I believe that somewhere in Canada also this could happen. The goal is to destroy children's innocence. And consequently, childhood. And the last one is, what we see right now is changing gender in very young age. That act I personally consider pure evil. Even communists, they were not doing that. This is worse than hominism.

This is pure evil. Any parent who agrees with change of the gender of their child, before age 18 would lose their child to social services and would be criminally charged for child abuse just 10 years ago. We are not protecting our children anymore. So, you know, if you go after adults, you go after adults. They are going after children big time. So another element for suppression is destabilization, which we also see now. The purpose is to bring down economy and defense system by elimination of small business,

because dictator cannot control small business. And we saw that during pandemic, all big stores, smalls, they could be open, but small businesses, they had to be close. And many, many of them, they did not survive. And to start to control big businesses, consequently, the larger number of people who are employees. It's easier when you control management of a big company which has, let's say, 10,000 people,

you are affecting 10,000 people which they don't want to lose their job. And this is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany had their private business, but was completely controlled by Nazi party. So they destroyed small business and controlled big ones. Bringing crisis such as energy crisis, inflation, potential food shortages, and turning society against police by defunding police,

which will result in increase of crime. Disarmed citizens by collecting their firearms under pretends to keep society safe. And the last one is weakening. military, which happened during COVID. So the purpose of destabilization is to create complete financial and social dependency on government. The last element for subversion, and I would say this is more result of all those three which are happening right now, polarization, demoralization and destabilization.

The result is revolution. Okay. And once the crisis will happen, dictators will offer solutions such as, for example, universal basic income and social credits. And because their real attention is exposed, they usually will introduce also force measures. As George Oros said, all tyrannies rule through fraud and force. But once fraud is exposed, they must rely exclusively on force. So we are now in psychological war in pretense of democracy and peace time.

Given to current situation, meaning inflation, energy crisis, expected food shortages. We might expect the civil unrest, which we already see, demonstrations, which we already see, and maybe even civil war. I wouldn't be surprised. This is the first part. The second part, I wanted to explain which three groups they use,

dictators they use, for subversion of society. So I will get into that, and then maybe, you know, those questions, and they can be more complex. So first group, which is very important, and now you will see where I was going at the beginning, it's called altruistic idealist people. Dictator always focus on altruistic people, people with big hearts, full of good attentions,

who believe in doing great good for the sake of society. Why? Because these people are usually naive and easy to manipulate and especially other emotions. recognizing how essential are these people to the success of his revolution, Lenin, Vladimir Lynch, was referring to them as a useful idiot's. Those people are prone to believe in social justice narrative. And it's very, very strong for a younger age. We will pretend that we wanted to save you, we wanted to protect you,

and we are social justice warriors. Once you will trust us, then we will use you. That's all. That's all what was happening. So this is first group. The second group, academia, teachers, professors. So Yuri Besmeyel, former KGB detector, in his interview from 1984 on Subversion of Society,

disclosed the advice given to him by his boss, who said, My KGB boss always told me, never bother with common leftists, forget about those useful idiots. Try to reach intellectuals, moviemakers, and so-called academic circus. Identify people who are instrumental to public opinion. Concentrate on cynical ego. centric people who can look in your eyes and tell your lies.

These are the most recruitable people, people who lack moral principles, who are either too greedy, so you can bribe them, or suffer from self-importance or both. They feel that they

mother a lot. They are political prostitutes and serve very well in the stage of demoralization of the nation. Yes. And in In this part, we have to include, in this group, we have to include education and teachers. Dictators always use teachers and the education system to impose their ideology using fear-mongering tactics and indoctrination. They exploit child, emotional immaturity, lack of experience and knowledge to impose their narrative.

That was what was happening to me. I was exposed to communist propaganda and indoctonation since age nine. Okay. And basically it was then this indoctrination was everywhere and also in school on every single subject. They use teachers who can take advantage of their position of authority, of the natural trust that children place in teaching, teachers to brainwash young and vulnerable generation.

From history, we know that dictators always use children for the propaganda. It happened in Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, former Eastern Bloc, and now it's happening in Western societies, and in big, big scale, I would say. Centralized public education is giving opportunity to dictators to control indoctrination in school. school. Children basically become the property of the state. Yes, I was the property of the state. They needed to brainwash us and convince us that communist system is the best. So for the rest of life, we would vote Communist Party, and if you would not, we would end up in jail anyway,

you know, because then we are some rebels and not reliable, politically reliable, believe or not, studying even in elementary school, every teacher had to keep some kind of notes on every child, every student, if that student is politically

reliable, that means if he or she is not bringing some kind of different books which are opposite to the communist narrative, you know, they were checking on parents. So they were just control if you

are, you know, where you're supposed to be surrounded by the same information. So, now last groups which I wanted to mention, which are very instrumental to subversion of society, it's science, professionals.

Those are dictators always use science for the propaganda, and when I was in university, I even had a class called scientific communism. Can you imagine? Scientific communism. Most people do not question scientific statements because they think they are facts. They do not understand that scientific statements must be always challenged

because science is not about consensus, ideologies. Why I'm saying that, do you remember this 97% of scientists, they agree, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, we've been better. My teacher said in scientific communism class that 100% of scientists, they agree that communism is the best system with social justice. Sorry, I will use this social justice. I just have some reservations towards those two words. So, yeah, it's again about consensus.

Wow, so many people, they think the same way. Maybe I'm wrong, right? So it's making people to question. No. So consensus is for ideology, not for science. And then during recent COVID pandemic, many doctors and medical professionals have been used to spread misinformation about potential negative effects of COVID vaccine.

And this is still under progress. But I already see more and more information published, which was highly suppressed. Just one year ago. People did not have all the information to make proper decision. They will only under fear. you know, and survival instinct was kicking in. And this is where I'm going with the last one, which I consider the most important,

and that's media. Dictators always use the media as a form of persuasion to promote their state propaganda. The purpose is to create a feeling of one opinion and thinking that everybody has the same opinion, so maybe I'm wrong if I think differently, or I question that. And this will influence people's belief and behavior.

And then people have their hurt instinct and tendency to follow crowd. Okay, well, if 97% of scientists, they think that, you know, there is climate change and warming happening to the scale that all of us will be fried and this planet will not exist in 10 years, they might probably be right. and if people, everybody around you is speaking the same way and everybody is publishing the same information, then again, it might be right. So that's how you create this intertination, how you brainwash, literally people, literally brainwash. And the same, it's very well known that who is controlling information,

it's controlling the nation. And Joseph Bilbas understood the art of propaganda very well. He used all the media, which he had available at the time, to promote the same message. That means to promote Hitler and Nazi Party. He even made sure, and we have to remember that was in 30s, 40s at the beginning of the technology revolution. He made sure that each family received for free radio, you know, And then he was airing all this Nazi propaganda.

So people, you know, they were hearing the same message all the time, how Hitler is saving German nation and how every single Nazi party is doing for Germany is good. Then brainwashed people. So the same phenomenon was happening in every communist country. I have to say now, this is my personal message, that I'm shocked by the amount of propaganda and lies, published by current mainstream media in Western society. We don't have any more journalists. We have political activists. That includes also social media, such as Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn. I was only twice on LinkedIn,

and only once in Facebook jail. TikTok and previously Twitter, big type. All of them, they are censoring free speech. What about Google? Yeah. So Melissa Fleming, undersecretary General for Global Communication at the United Nations, highlighted that the United Nations had partnered with several big technical components, including TikTok and Google, to control COVID and climate change narratives, meaning to publish the same message, same message, same message. And she's now, We own scientists. So those are the most important groups, which dictators they use to subvert society. Now I'm open to questions.

Well, I feel like I need a cold shower. That's pretty much where I'm at right now. Sitting, listen, I'm like, yeah, check. Okay, check. Yeah, they're doing, okay, that's happening. I'm sitting here, Suzanne, and I'm going, okay. do with all the wisdom you have from living there seeing what you're seeing everything else certainly talking about it is at least you know letting people know what you see

now you got this group of people who all see what you're seeing they see it happening they're like okay I'm not gonna argue with Suzanne I go communism okay different different name same agenda okay what can we do about it because when you talk about Google Facebook Facebook, Twitter, and certainly Elon Musk since taking over Twitter has been trying to do different things. But you're talking Google, you're talking some of the most powerful things to hit the planet in the form of, you know, algorithms and how people interact and technology and that type of thing. You know, without the rise of independent media, I don't know where we're at, but at least there's voices now openly sharing what you're talking about among other things. there's been pushback.

I don't know if it's been enough, but certainly there's been pushback. I mean, geez, here in Canada, you had the protest in Ottawa. You've got different things going on. People are waking up. So what can they do about it? Well, you are doing already, Sean, by even having this podcast. You know, I don't think that anybody from CBC would, you know, give me a chance to speak the way, just like I was speaking now.

So we need to all those. alternative media and any any of them including yours rebel news Spencer Fernando Western standard in Alberta you know and I'm sure I didn't name many of them but people you absolutely right they are awakening I think I think COVID shaped quite few people you know it was a real push And you can hold people in fear only for a certain period of time. Once you push too far, the fear represents also stress. So what your body naturally will do to you, it will shut down to release stress.

So if you push fear for a very long time, you basically stop to really be scared. you know and I think they overplayed their hand and definitely this unvaccinated group challenged them so they went really you know like we started to introduce some totalitarian tools like we couldn't travel you know we couldn't take train we couldn't take plane and I don't what else

shutting people even from going to restaurants, you know, and I think it was in Quebec where they even discussed if they can go to grocery stores and if in certain time. Well, this is exactly what happened in Nazi German. Lots of people, they don't know history. I wanted to touch that. The way how Goebes persuade Germans that Jewish are dangerous was that he was saying that they are spreading diseases. They started propaganda that Jewish are spreading diseases. So they have to be isolated. And that's how they started with all these ghettos and like in Poland.

So how we can prevent that? Number one, media are playing very big role. More alternative medias and active people. like you better you know you are not the first one where I'm speaking and and because people already are starting to try to find different information yes they are starting to follow and I would say studying it's not like one months ago it's the number is growing it's definitely much more than four years ago and people are now willing to go out people are willing to protest

people are willing to demonstrate I see more and more people are standing for rights. So yes, it will take time. But

I'm becoming positive, you know, that if this will continue this way, we might avoid the wars to to basically to fell and be part of totalitarian state

but I'm afraid of or I'm really telling to people they can be only if we will stay oblivious because we are giving them time you know if people

they will say oh wow total state cannot happen here it always was happening somewhere else that is the worst thing, you know, so. With, with, yeah, well, actually, that thought I had lots, I no longer have that thought, Suzanne, I used to, oh, I can't happen here. That's a terrible thought. Well, I mean, I don't know, a pretty human thought, to be honest, right,

especially growing up in this country. But certainly, I know I've pretty, much purged that from my brain at this point with the Alberta election set to go most likely May 29th you know what's that a little over a month away how important of an election is it when you you know when you start off talking about when you first came to Canada and you talked about your husband saying you know the NDP and you're going no that's a communist right like you're you're literally hearing the playbook being pushed out under a different banner when you look at the election coming up here you know and and we're going to

speak directly to Albertans right now. So how important to you is the upcoming election? This is the most important election in Alberta for Alberta and Canada as well. We are at the

tipping point, I would say. If NDP will win, I think the rest of freedom which we have here in Alberta will be gone. They have to act fast. They will kill oil gas industry. They will make people dependent on government as much as

possible. I'm sure that a Liberal Party and federal NDP would help the local NDP, literally to destroy this province. All this damage which is happening to children and women, which just will just accelerate. I also see acceleration of increase of crime cause destruction of this province

and they know they don't have too much time so it will happen fast. That is result of NDP. If UCP will win and they understand

how people are challenged So I'm glad that they pay attention to health system, education system, inflation relief. Yes, people are suffering from energy crises, from cost of leaving, everything. So I'm quite confident that UCP will find bonds between taking care of social issues and promoting business. How this will affect Canada? I think this country is basically on huge decline. If we wanted to save this country, to do not slip completely into totalitarian state,

we need to have spot on this body which is still healthy. For two reasons, number one, people will have different values than to be dependent on government, you know, they have placed to go. And number two, we will create contrast. Just look what is happening now in BC. They legalize drugs. Overdoses skyrocketing.

Crime is like more and more every day, stabbing at 2 p.m. on the street, you know? So when you will have one province where it's, everything in order and nation is prospering and you feel safe and

you feel valued but by your citizens and you are not afraid to go out and you feel that as a parent you are not in danger and your children are not in danger and then you have just few kilometers away

province which is under attack and and in complete chaos, you know, that is contrast. And I believe that then when once this contrast is, also those citizens who are in different provinces, they won't have the same and they will stand against their governments. So it's beneficial to the entire country. You, I've been, different people have come on over

the past couple weeks talking about the upcoming Alberta election because I stared at and I go, you know, I share your thoughts and how important it is. And if people are listening and are sitting on the couch just thinking we're going to, you know, it's going to go by idly and there's no big deal and things like that, although that might be true. Maybe it'll be a landslide victory. Who knows? When I hear Susanna talk, I'm like, we probably shouldn't sit on the couch and think that. You know, go back to David Parker's episode. There's different ways you can get involved, whether it's elections, Alberta, whether it's door knocking, whether it's whatever you think you can do. But I would implore people, that's probably something, you know, after sitting and listening to Susanna, pretty much give me, you know, like I said, I'm going to need a cold, a cold shower after this to shake off some of that.

like, you know, it's a, not a depressing, it's a fear-inducing chat we just had, you know, like it didn't feel good. Like, I don't like hearing all those things. But the thing is, is we got a little over a month, and then you get an election where things can turn for the better. And certainly, I'm learning real fast here, Susanna. And I can't believe I had this thought once upon a time. But it was like, ah, you know, nobody, it can't, you know, fall apart over the course of 50,

years but you know I just keep hearing like the way out of this isn't one election it's going to take time it's going to take push it's going to take people being involved so with the teetering point coming up on May 29th I mean until they announce we'll assume it's the 29th it really behooves people including myself and everyone else to get up off your ass and do something about it especially if you're in Alberta but certainly if you're anywhere in Canada you want things to change You got to find a way to get involved and make sure things continue to be, you know, I mean, you've got to become active, I guess, is what I'm saying, in your communities and do what you can. And every little bit helps.

I assume you share that thought. Well, I'm planning to be very involved in other months, you know. We're doing not going, organizing meetings, and, yeah, I'm helping to a few groups, UCP, take by Galberta. I'm absolutely, you know, I believe that apathy and not doing anything is exactly what they need. They need citizens to be inactive, you know. So they are afraid of people who are asking questions. They don't need people to ask questions. They need people who are not questioning anything and just obey.

Now I know it's, you know, it is frightening what I'm saying. but as I said we cannot afford to be oblivious I think it's better I think it's better Suzanne to have eyes open right like I mean

yeah exactly and it's not my purpose to scare you guys you know just just like anti people was doing just to scare people I don't lie

I do not lie I know how propaganda and the indoctrination works I saw what this can do to people, how they can how can they can get twisted and

their perception of reality is it's completely destroyed. They don't know what is true, you know. And I remember when I published first time article and somebody wrote me in 2019 that totalitarian state

or any form of dictatorship cannot happen here in Canada, you know, and that I'm paranoid, you know. The same person enrolled me two years later and apologized. Yeah. I would just say, if I go back to my younger self, for some reason, my idea of like a totalitarian government taking control of Canada, it would be something very visual, tanks rolling in the street, and we go to war. You grab your gun and we're going to defend Canada.

Instead, this is so much more difficult because it's not in plain sight. I mean, it is and it isn't, right? Like it's sitting there. It has this, I like to compare that with frog effect. Maybe you heard that. Boiling, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, the temperature goes up and goes up.

So you just don't know that you are giving up your freedom, your, your, freedom, your, previous life which you had, you are accepting more and more what all those tyrants are introducing different policies, you know. And those policies and different laws, they definitely are affecting us. So they were preparing that for decades, so it won't go away only with one election. We need to continue after election as well. You know, we need to become active back in society. We cannot just wait that one person, one premier will save us. No, we, the people, we have to save us.

Well, I appreciate you hopping on this morning, Susanna. I want to be respectful of your time and make sure I get you out of here on time. So this is probably going to be something I have to go back and re-listen to. It did not disappoint. and I hope wherever somebody's listened to this, they grab something out of it as well. Either way, thank you so much for giving me some time this morning and sitting here with us.

Thank you. And also thank you for a question. I don't know why I had a problem with my voice. Fortunately, I had my juice here. You were fantastic. No worries there. Thank you very much. Have a nice day.

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