Shaun Newman Podcast - #417 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer 5.0

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

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economist whose work can be found on sites like zero hedge and newsmax media the second Croatian national former hedge fund manager author and contributing editor at zero hedge i'm talking about tom luongo and alex craneer so buckle up here we go wait did tom did you micro your coffee did you remember to my crazy coffee uh i have enough to get through the first half of the podcast and if i have to leave then i will i'm good and i'll let you talk because you know it's always a good you know my my drug habit is uh you know your opportunity to speak so i just look at it that way well welcome to the sean newman podcast joined again by alex craneer tom longo as if they haven't learned this yet i hit i hit record and i'm like we could talk about coffee we could talk about

We could tease each other about microwave and coffee. This is, fellas, this is the fifth time we've done this. Now, on this side of the show, that doesn't happen that often, where I have a reoccurring guest. I have a few of them, but certainly not a duo. And it just feels, you know, for the listener, if you have no idea, if you're just stumbling into this, you've got to go back to episode 321 for Tom, 327, 6 later, we had Alex. And then since then, 336, 3.39, 3901. I don't know where we're at.

417, I think, is when this comes out. So it's become one that people are hassling me a week and a half ago. When's Tom and Alex coming back on? So either way, boys, thanks for hopping back on and doing this. I look forward to see him what I get your rifting about today. I'm sure it'll be enjoyable no matter what it is. Well, I'm just absolutely, Sean. And I'm just wondering, Alex, you know, who threw Christine,

LaGarde down the stairs. It wasn't me. Somebody, somebody, somebody, somebody beat me to it. Because you saw her and faced the nation. She didn't have the neck scarf. She had the neck brace with the flowers on it. It was like, oh my God. Very elegant.

She's always, you have to give it. You have to give it to her. She's always very elegant. Yes, she is. I mean, and, and, I mean, she dresses very well. And that's part of the SIOP, right? Which is that they're also damn cultured and insouciate and wise that, you know, even when they're completely incompetent, Legarde is.

Put yourself in her shoes. I mean, you know. Yeah, sure. I don't. Yeah, that conjures up the wrong imagery. But what I meant to say is, you know, she's a central banker. One of the most powerful central bankers in the world. She's also a convicted criminal.

And she has nothing else in life other than that. Yeah, head of the IMO. What do you do when you're, and what is your job at the end of the day? I'm going to raise the interest rates a little bit. I'm going to lower them a little bit. That's it. And I'm going to buy some corporate bonds from my friends. And that's that.

So what do you do with the rest of your time? You shop. You buy nice things. and you look elegant so that's that's pretty much all there is to it as far as I can tell well and every once in a while you give a speech at in New York at the CFR conference before you do face the nation to try and talk your book yeah there's that too she has to do that every once in a while she has to give condescending speeches to the normies about why we need more totalitarianism and why we need more Euro-Trash

communism But we don't ever couch it in those terms. We always invoke canes. But it's a, you know, like it's a very small, it's a very small, how do you call it, range of things to say and to do. You know, like it's very, it's like monomaniacal, one thing. It's just like one thing.

It infringes on people's liberties. It enhances the banker's power over society. And that's about it. And all else is just like a couple. of levers that you're using that's your whole life right and you're a convicted criminal so wouldn't you want somebody to push it down the stairs no because she asked for it I mean this is honestly I don't know maybe you know there comes a point where you know does the bestage of her conscience like show up

every once in a while and you know you know and there's a small moment where The imp of the perverse says, you know, if I threw myself down the stairs, maybe I wouldn't have to do this for a living anymore. Or maybe this is what I deserve. But I just don't see that they have that kind of, most of these people don't have that kind of conscience. So I don't think they have that. I mean, I hold out hope that there is some, you know, shred of redeemable, you know, fabric in their being. But then again, every day they get up in the morning and they do another stupid thing. like putting on carbon credit import cariffs on everything to ensure that the EU no one ever

trades with the EU ever again okay so that's fair that's a fair point so if she if she has a yeah if she has the human redeemable part to her then that thing might be a zap caller to make sure that it never comes out you know i i was on with i had dave column on my podcast the other day and i was talking about the neocons that these people have put in power here in the United States. I said, look, it's a whole bunch of second stringers. We didn't even get the, we didn't even get the first team, right? We got Jake Sullivan, Anthony Blinken and Victoria Newlands, as opposed to even getting, like, you know, the good ones, like Condoleez Rice and, you know, some, you know, some prominent member of the Bush family or something, Hillary Clinton even, right? No, we got all the second trickers.

They've called them scratch and dent neocons. I'm like, like, that's what we have in the EU now. We have scratch and dent commies. we've got Anna Lana Baerbach we got Robert Habek we've got Christine Lagarde right these are literally scratch and dent cash for clunkers commies

at this point and it's like you know why am I supposed to be afraid of these people and yet at the same time nothing ever seems to improve or well that's part of the one I want to talk about today is it actually improving and they're just being truly revealed as

the you know scratch and dent commies that they actually are so is it improving fellas? Do you think it's improving, Tom? God, it's hard to tell sometimes because the news flow, it's such a zone blitz that they're putting on us. Or in hockey terms for the

Canadian fans, it's such a two-man four check that they're putting on, right? And that they're every day there's another major policy statement. There's another major stupid thing that they're doing to promote this idea that their plan is inevitable.

And whenever you, you hear people working that hard to convince you that they're inevitable, that's when they're most vulnerable. So the big news of the day, I don't know if you saw this, Alex, but it's the Reserve Bank of Australia. Did you see this about the RBA? Oh, this is fascinating. So I wake up to my Twitter feed this morning as blowing up because everybody's like, Tom, look, dude, look at this. And the Reserve Bank of Australia was just stripped of its, of the government. board was just stripped of its ability to set monetary policy, to set interest rates. So now they have the same system that the Fed has, eight meetings a year, a different FOMC, basically, than the governing

board, which on the surface, from my perspective, is actually a good thing. But it was done by political edict. And the Treasury Secretary was the one who ran the operation. Now, if that's not a, oh, by the way, boys, if you don't do exactly what I want you to do, we'll take even this power away from then I don't know what is. I've been saying for weeks now, or months even, that the Democrats are going to make the Fed the central and the recession that they're engendering, the central talking point for the election, as in end the Fed, Ron Paul style, and bring it back under the auspice of the Treasury to give it to Janet Yellen and the Davos counties is going to be what they run on in 2024.

And you know that Australia and Canada, the Commonwealth nations, the weak commonwealth nations are always where there are always the test bed for their worst policies. So COVID lockdowns and concentration camps in Australia during COVID, quarantine, right? Hey, let's let's test the waters to see if we can, you know, freeze people bank accounts if they protest Canada. Okay. They just got control of the bank or I don't know if they ever lost control of the bank of England, but they've destroyed Brexit, right, over the last six months since the coup back in July

against Liz Truss and the Queen. And now we're moving to, okay, we need to chastise the central banks. And when the Treasury Secretary is kind of sitting there smirking saying this is going to make our independent, we're going to strengthen the central bank and strengthen its independence to be able to set monetary policy, I'm like, really? The parliament of no-nothings and traitors to the Australian people are strengthening the independence of the central bank. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Pull the other leg of place, jingle bells. Like, no. Tom, so when you say Treasury Secretary, you don't mean Janet Yellen. I mean the Australian Treasury Secretary. He was out there smirking about this. And the head of the RBA,

the Reserve Bank of Australia, you know, he looked like a deer caught in the headlights. And that was from the two and a half minute story on Sky News I saw, you know, one was supremely confident, confidence, along with, you know, the political arm were supremely confident. And the president of the RBA looked like he'd just been to run over by a bus. Yeah, I didn't see this story. Yeah, it's on my Twitter feed.

You can even find it when we get off the chat, you know. Look it up. Amazing. Amazing. Well, my take, I think that things are not meant to be improving. I think that things are meant to be disimproving. Right. And the reason, okay, I'll remember to say something good that did happen in the last few days.

But basically, you know, like a few days ago, I published an article about the coming war in China. And it is, I'm, you know, like, I'm convinced that this is nothing to do with China. That is, you know, like making war on China is a secondary concern. The primary concern is war on the people of the United States and maybe the people of the collective West in general, because it's very clear that there is no way, and there can't be any rational reason to go to war in China because they can't prevail.

So it would be like me, trash talking, Mike Tyson and then challenging him to a ring knowing that he's going to kill me straight away, right? Why would I do that? So I think that the reason why the Biden administration is on this war escalator is because they want to spring the trap door shut on the American people. And once you have the war, once you have the big emergency, that it allows you, first of all, to, to excuse away all the crisis at home. You know, there's no food in the supermarket, we're at war. You're not getting your pension, blame the Chinese,

can't get a bed in a hospital, shared sacrifice, blah blah, you know, all of this. And then it also provides you the smokescreen to deal with the opposition and dissent, the quick and easy way. And you kind of usher in the totalitarianism. And people, even if they hate their leadership, when there's a major war going on, they kind of close ranks behind the leadership. And then if you have a different point to make, then you're immediately suspected of not being sufficiently patriotic, being an enemy sympathizer and just like not good at all.

So people don't do it and the people in power get to consolidate that power and pretty much do away with with anybody who's a potential obstacle to them to themselves, right? I agree completely, Alex. I'll take it one step further because I've been on this kick for two years and it's good to hear you seeing what I've been saying, which is that Davos has been setting up the United States up to isolate us and to become the new non-exam. Nazis. The United States is going to be the new Nazi party. Folks. Okay. It's coming. We're going to be the new bad guys. We're going to be the

committers of all the war atrocities. We're the only people trying to go to war. We installed these scratch and dent neocons in order to provoke a war. We can't win. And then look at the way we're portrayed in the media around the world. We are portrayed as a country descending quickly into anarchy. All of our institutions are being undermined from legally and economically, politically, in every way. We have octogenarian morons walking us, like the walking dead, marching us towards war with Russia and China, which the American people do not want. Why is all of this happening if these people are actually American patriots? They're not. I'm saying since the day after the Biden administration to the fucking office, these people are vandals.

Their goal is to destroy the United States because you have not had any examples of classical liberalism surviving in a world where they want fucking total control because they're communists. It's not fucking hard. Yeah. Yeah. And further proof that this is the case is like imagine you were really serious. about challenging China militarily. Right. You know, insanity.

But that's completely inconsistent with the net zero policy that they're pushing. Right. Because if you're going to go to war, you're going to have to ramp up your steel furnaces. You're going to have to develop your steel industry because no steel furnaces, no weapons. Right. Right. So you're not going to make tanks and howitzers by with with solar panels and windmills, right? No, you're not.

Uncontrolled migrations. And the demoralizing attacks on the American people from all sides, you know, the Antiphos, the Black Lives Matter, the gender dysphoria, the, these crazed violence. violent LGBT people who suddenly decided that, you know, not only do you have to tolerate them, you have to celebrate them, or else, you know, we're going to hurt you. And so if you wanted to win the war, you wouldn't be demoralizing your own population. No. In such heavy-handed ways across the spectrum. And then when you look at what's happening in the streets of the American cities, you know,

like Oakland, San Francisco, Baltimore, you know, Portland, Seattle. Wherever you look, it's like people doing drugs on the streets. It's awful. And then when these reporters go there and talk to them, what do they say? They asked them like, what's the solution? How do we get out of this? And the people say, the only solution is for the military to be on the streets,

bring military to the streets. So people, they're setting the stage to demoralize the people so badly that they say, give me a military dictatorship over this. I'm all in for it. So this is what they're doing. They're not worried about the Chinese invading the United States. They want to bring in a totalitarian dictatorship and take away all your freedoms, force you to use CBDCs,

force you to have these vaccine passports or whatever they're going to end up being, and have absolutely no choice to have one party in charge. So they're Bolsheviks. They're total Bolsheviks, and this is what they're doing. Can I... On this side, you know, I can't see past the Alberta election coming up.

That's roughly May 29th with Daniel Smith. you know the the conservatives running against the uh yeah you see uh n d p sorry not ucp ucp versus the n dp and i wonder with the united states you know i saw robert f kennedy is gonna a junior is going to run uh in the democrats uh against Biden and all that like do you put any hope in in whether he can win that and be a president-elect for 2024 is that too far off what do you uh i i think that The presidential election is not going to happen in any substantive manner. We're going to have a, we'll have a replay at 2016, which is that if there's a populist insurgent,

he will be kneecapped by the party structure. There's clearly a war going on between the Clinton wing and the Obama wing and the Democratic Party. That's about the only hope I really see, okay, because they clearly don't want Kamala Harris. Okay. And so that's that just evidence that Hillary Clinton's not going away tells me and other things like them getting rid of Mark Elias as their their their their their DNC. The DNC is no longer the DNC lead counsel. That's a big deal because Elias is, you know, he might as well, his last name might as well be Clinton, right? So clearly there's a there's some kind of war going on there as well. But again, Obama's always hated the United States.

Always. He's always worked to destroy the United States. Eight years that he was in power, now 10 years he's been in power. So I don't, you know, I don't know. All I can tell you is that what I keep seeing is more and more and more of everything Alex just said, while at the same time, now they're going after Jamie Diamond. They can't go after Jerome Powell, right, because he's in sconsced until it's one. 26. The only way to get rid of Powell is to change the Fed charter and bring it back under the

auspice of the Treasury. So who do you go after next? You go after the most powerful banker that would be backing Powell's play. Again, the nuts and sluts campaign by tying Diamond to Epstein was a clear, as clear as fucking day tell that I've been right all the way down the line about the Fed versus Davos and about the Fed versus and that which banks in the United States. States are saying, you know what, that's enough. We may be evil, but fuck you people. Okay? You people are sick. And this is the way I've tried to explain it in the past and I've done it on a thousand pocket. I'm like, it's right there in front of you. And to watch the freedom caucus or the alternative media space in this country not get this after two years and just sit

there with their thumbs up their asses going, no, they're corrupt, no, it's all one big club, no, blah, blah, let's all the Rothschild. No, it's right there in front of you. Like, you're so gaslit by morons that you can't see it. And now you're going to carry water for the very people you say you're fighting. And you're going to turn the Ron Paul wing of the Republican party and of the libertarian freedom caucus in the United States into the guys who are going to scream the hardest to end the Fed. It's a lot of the United States. It's a lot of the United States. It's brilliant. If I were Emperor Palpatine, I'd be sitting there going,

everything is proceeding as I have foreseen. Like, Jesus, Christ, on a fucking crutch. Like, and I, I, I, I know I sound like a lunatic sometimes, but it's just so obvious. Because you have to put your head in, you have to put your head in the space

of the people who are doing these things. And you have to be willing to say, yeah, they really are that evil. No, they can't be that evil. It's, it's too monstrous. It's too big a conspiracy. It's like, really? It's really that big a conspiracy of three or four thousand people with, you know, trillions of dollars worth of zero bound money. They've levered up to the fucking tits in the euro dollar and the offshore dollar shadow banking system to buy a couple of elections, put a couple of people in power and then just run the frigging bureaucracy that they've been infiltrating for the last 70 years. Really? It's that bigger fucking conspiracy? No, you're the one sitting there in your, in your unbelievable, you know, state of denial.

Yeah. well, you know, just, you know, coping with all this. I'm like, fine, cope with it all you want. That's fine. Go watch Pornhub again. But I'm right. Fuck you. And you either are going to get off your ass and do something about it, say something about it, or you're not.

And then you're going to be standing there going, how the hell did this happen? And, you know, and the worst part about it is that, and I identified, I was identifying about this in the last issue of the newsletter we just put out, literally wrote 3,500 words on this. And I'm like, the neocons are their useful idiots? is. You put scratch and dent neocons in power and then give them free reign to run foreign policy and go off like Rambo and that a jock scrap around the world, threatening everybody, sanctioning everybody, destroying the dollar. And then you get, Lagarde comes out this week, goes on Face the Nation after being,

and shows up at the CFR conference to give a speech describing accurately the lay of the land. She did. She described accurately the lay of the land. we're breaking up in the trade blocks we we're we're gonna need to invest in military we're not prepared for what's coming down the pike blah blah blah blah yeah well dude of course you accurately described the world you put your thumb on the freaking scale and created that world and now we're sitting here going and and we're arguing as to whether or not i had to like take mike shedlock down the other day for you know for being a for being a dick and saying well

I'm like, so what? Yeah, of course she made good points. She created this world, you're fucking moron. And you're supposed to be a libertarian. And you can't see cause and effect. Like, that's the one thing we're really good at is cause and effect. And you're only one to talk about effects because you only care about facts in a world where information is so freaking, we're living in multiple, so many overlaying freaking siops that would happen of us don't know whether the shit or go blind because we don't know what the hell is through it or not.

I'm not, like, oh, Mar-on, let me, and now I'm going to start talking a pigeon, fucking Italian, for Christ sake, I'm so goddamn angry. It's like, do you get not get it? Do you get not see it? I'm sorry, guys. I, you know, it's just... No, you know, the difference, Tom, is that, you know, people who, people who confine themselves to facts, you know, first of all, what facts? The information space is full of nonsense and falsehoods and lies and distortions. And second of all, you can't hope to understand what's going on unless you take into account the motivations of people who are running the show. And the motivations of people who are running the show are not a big mystery. You know, if you understand who they are and what they're about. And the endeavor for the Davos communists to carve out a block because they lost their bid to control the world, right?

They can't subdue China and Russia. So the consolation price is to break into a block and raise an iron curtain around it. So of course you want to break off trade relationships. right because all you want is resource you don't want you don't want competition for your technology products and so on well Alex if you can't subjugate Russia who has all the natural resources your next best bet is to subjugate the United States and African South America like it's not tough and the United States that's chalked to the guild and Canada talked to the guilds with every freaking

strategic asset other than like I mean we got uranium up rainium up in the Aska Basca Basin right but the only thing we're really missing in the United States is titanium, right? And tungsten, there's a couple of metals, a couple of important metals that we don't have good, ready access to. But I'm sure that if we dug hard enough up in Alaska and in the Canadian Rockies, we'd find a lot of that stuff too. But, you know, so let's not, you know, and again, we can leave those trade lines open. You know, we always carve out sanctions. Yeah, sure. Sure. It's not that hard. But the, but the main bulk of it, absolutely, what saying so they're so the so the so the EU is erecting tariffs around themselves they're just turning

themselves in the California on steroids the same thing they've always done right yeah set the rule by by saying we're so economically indispensable that you have to trade with us on our terms and everybody's going uh you know what no how about no and you know what no and that's what's going to happen I mean I see this and I'm like you guys are nuts you're not going to pull this off unless you unless you get the announcement United States to go off half cock to fight a war. It cannot win and destroy what's left of America's self-image and turn us all into a bunch of self-hating, nor adrenaline addicted porn hub chasing freaking monkeys. Drug addicts. That's what they want from us. That's what they're doing to us.

And that's a fly up. It's not real. Every time I have you guys on, it seems we talk Ukraine, Russia, and different things and certainly war, just in general, world war. And, and And I had one of my brothers text me this morning because he's a big fan of you two coming on and he said the U.S. is starting to fill temporary bases in the Philippines. And he goes, how close do you two think we are to war? And I know that's a loaded question. A load of, yeah, absolutely. It's like there's no, yeah, anyways. But I did want to get your thoughts.

You know, you keep talking about they're pushing and that's the only way and they're, you know, and if we go to war, they get to wipe off all these different things, which I think a lot of people listen and completely. understand. They got the pension systems out. They get the move to they get to do all of this stuff. Like, you know,

Black Rock is trying to move $1.5 trillion worth of bad commercial real estate bets into the teachers' unions' pensions here in the United States. Well, can you not see the play to step down from this? Like the teachers' union,

the most powerful lobbying force for the Democratic Party in the United States a year before an election to blame the Fed for Black Rock's imploding commercial real estate portfolio. They're going to voice it up on the teacher's pensions. And then the teachers pensions are going to go bankrupt in 2024, probably right in time for the election, for then Elizabeth Warren and company to go on and go, see, we need to get rid of the Fed and we need to bail them out and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, this is why we need to take control of the monetary policy in order to be able to to bail all this stuff out,

because we can't have our teachers go without pay. Like, you can't see this. Like, we haven't. seen this in story like six times over the last 40 years worth in presidential elections in the United States? I mean, I'm sorry. I happen to be old and happen to have done this a few times. I happen to be around the block. But, you know, it's not. I mean, again, I say this all the times. People are smart, but they're not very clever. They use the same damn tactics over and over and over again. So this time, it's how can we use Jerome Powell raising interest rates aggressively to collapse the offshore leverage credit markets and begin bankrupting BlackRock. How and Black Rock. What's Black Rock's next move?

Right? I mean, you always have to think of these things in terms of move, counter move, right? Strategy tactics. And, you know, it's not a chess game because it's multiple players. So, I don't know. It's like a game of Brass Birmingham, but I'm getting geeky here. Like, I put an ironworks in the neat and you build a, and you build a link to Stoke on Trent, and that fucks my thing up and this bucks, you know, and this is all this big, ugly mess of a board. and, you know, you're trying to eat the other, you're trying to stop the other guy from scoring points, or in this case trying to stop the other guy from taking,

from stopping you from getting to his strategic goals, which in Tommy's mind is to destroy, you know, the private formation of capital, destroy the dynamic supply and demand curve and flatten the demand and the supply for everything with one price, because that's ultimately their goal. And they're doing that in the world markets right now.

Well, it works well. So they're where they're doing it the hardest. It worked really well in the Soviet Union, so they just want to bring that model back. It was awesome. No. What they keep saying, and they keep telling us what they keep saying is that if we had had China and the United States and Europe, then it would have worked. Remember, what's the refrain of every 19-year-old communist you've ever met? Oh, well, the Soviet Union wasn't real communism.

If they had gotten rid of all the investors of capitalism were worth. How many times have you heard that in your life? And how many times you heard that from somebody who doesn't know a fucking thing about anything? Yeah, and, you know, I lived in that system. You know, I grew up in the system. We were under one-party communist rule, and the refrain was always, communism is awesome, just people are not good. Right.

No, people are greedy and corrupt, and that's why the system doesn't work. But, you know, the ideology, everything else that's flawless, practically. No, I know. I know. I don't. You're starting to hear that again, you know. Oh, absolutely are. That rhetoric is creeping up again because, you know, as these ECB and EU apparatchiks are pushing, I mean, creating disasters left and right. You know, the refrain is coming up, you know, like everything we're doing is right. The people are, you know, like, we made all these sanctions against Russia and everybody's cheating.

of course nothing changed you know the trade flows are practically unchanged it's because everybody's greedy you know like and they're not they're not moral you know they don't understand that russian oil is evil so they shouldn't buy it right you know when you're making you know i rush yeah like no but that's that's exactly that as a matter of fact some guy respond to me on twitter this morning and he said something online i really like a lot of your analysis but you keep getting it all wrong when because you keep like completely these these hyper bourgeois capitalists as you know as the problem you know and you miss or misapplying these bourgeois capitalists I'm like hmm well that's nice that you like a lot of my

ideas but maybe you know if you you know you may be right about this but you probably will be wrong because you keep using the phrase bourgeois capitalist and that's the fundamental problem wipe the Marxism from your brain and then recalculate and you might actually get somewhere but they can't help it is a literal brainwashing and you know I don't know what else to tell you, but like the, the thing is is the excesses of state capitalism, which is what we even here in the United States have, have practiced, certainly since World War II. We just call it different things. But state capitalism is not any different than it's just a process by which we get to the final state.

But it always screws everything up. And while at the same time debasing the money at the same moment, And then it always rolls the wealth up into the upper classes. And then that just feeds the Marxist class rhetoric that it's the evil capitalists that are taking all the profit of the world. And the little guy gets nothing. I'm like, that's that that that populist rant was never correct. No, no, it's not correct. And you know, it's not even it's it's an ideologized argument because, you know, as, as, as.

As I observed it, generally, you know, people, even if they're left-leaning, generally, if you leave ideology aside, people actually don't resent wealth. You know, if, let's say, if you're living in a community, as some guy in the community is wealthy and he made his wealth the straight way, you know, at some, you know, people talk, people share stories in the community. the guy took some risk, came out on top, or he was a successful tennis player, Formula One driver, you know, golfer, whatever. Or he runs a year, newsletter, promoter, podcast.

Yeah, run some kind of a good business. And people tend to be protective and proud of that member of their community. You know, like they hold him up as a role model. And especially if he gives back to the community directly through his, which they usually do. I mean, God, even Pablo Escobar gave back to his community. People usually do. It's the, on the one hand is the ideology that kind of like wants to, you know, divide people

and pit one against the other. And also it's this caricature. of the evil bourgeois greedy rich man who is screwing everybody else. You have to instill that resentment by artificially. You have to do that artificially. Yeah, you absolutely do it to, you know, the people who are receptive to that are usually very, very young people and students, you know, who haven't worked yet, who haven't gotten to the point of appreciating what it takes

to acquire wealth. Yes. Because once you understand that, you're less, you're going to be less resentful. And not only that, but that man who, you know, who made his wealth, might be our mentor, might teach you a thing or two, might provide you a job, might feed your family, and so forth. It's a dead end, you know. You know, like it's a, that, that is a dead end. And it only, you know, what's funny is that Marxism is just, is just the, the ideology of Endy writ large.

Yeah. It's all of it is. And Gary North used to say there's a fundamental difference between envy and jealousy. The jealousy is looking at what somebody else has and going, I'd really like to have that. I'd like to aspire to get to that thing. envy is he has something I don't and I don't want him to have it anymore and I'm going to tear it down. It's that seminal moment in Fight Club when Ed Norton beats the crap out of Jared Lato in the fight and just beats Angel, the character, the blonde hair guy, half the death. And Tyler Durden looks at him and says, what the hell was that all about?

And he said, I just wanted to destroy something beautiful. That is his lowest point in the movie. It's the midpoint turn of the movie. I think if I go back over Fight Club, I'll think about it structurally again. But it's a very important thing. That's how filled with envy he is. And his understanding of how badly the system is fucking everybody has turned him toxic as opposed to trying to figure out ways to fix it. He'd rather just tear it all down.

And that's when Project Mayhem starts and that's when he sends in the real madness, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, I mean, there's a lot of lessons there about what happens when young, masculine energy is turned toxic. And the thing about it is what I'm trying to, what I keep trying to tell people, what I keep trying to say is that, as you just pointed out, Alex, they're gaslighting you into believing that which is not true. They're gaslighting as you're believing that there is no other way out of this other than violence. Yes, yes. And that is a dangerous path. And we, as the ones who see this, also have to take the lessons of another great story of the second half of the 20th century, which is Dune, where the oppressed people, the Fremen, when they finally do get a chance to tear down, to strike back against the power structure, turn into a violent mob that kills hundreds of billions of people and goes on a jihad across the galaxy. destroying everybody in their wake we cannot become them they are a warning that is the full story

of paul at tradies when he finally realizes what he's unleashed dune only start dune doesn't end until the end of the third book because it's really that whole cycle that's important which i think is really great that ben denneville know the the director is going to try and do all three books over the course i think three movies which i think is very very important because you don't You know, the story doesn't end when Luke Skywalker blows up the death star, right? It ends when he, through an act of self-sacrifice, says, no, I won't turn to the dark side, to the emperor, and forces the person who has consumed himself with power and the idea that you have to use violence to reform what's wrong with the world, his dad, into rejecting that and saying, no, this is what's wrong.

And we're, there's a sad part about all this. And this is, I, I, why I harp on these things, I bring them up, these, not just pop culture references, but, you know, but epic stories is because this is how we go through the process of figuring out what we should and shouldn't do when faced with these, these choices. They're very, very powerful stories trying to warn us about what happens if we do it wrong. Do we want to be the French Revolution? No, I don't think you do. I don't think you do because it's always the same thing. And what you're describing is actually kind of what happened in the Bolshevik Russia. You know, that was the Bolshevik revolution.

They tore down everything. Right. They tore down everything. And this is also why, you know, this is also how the big marketing brainchild of the World Economic Forum is built back better. Right. from where, back from destroying everything and they're doing it, they're trying to do it. And I think it's very, very important what you brought up because the way out is not to try

to confront them and oppose them directly. The way to oppose them is to build an alternative way forward. Yes. And you know, I always go back. back to the Confucian saying seeds grow in silence. You know, so the old structures are falling in on themselves. You know, don't get too absorbed in it. Don't get too mesmerized in it.

Think what you can do in your immediate surroundings, in your immediate environment. And, you know, the thing that keeps coming back up is local action. Yeah. people connecting and working out solution to their immediate problems. And I think that that's the most effective way we can prepare to weather the storm that's coming our way. And the confirmation that that's the most effective way to whether the storm that's coming our way is exactly the way the authorities are reacting to local organizations, look, to people

organizing locally. because they're overzealous about stomping out any kind of cooperation between people. Like, don't you dare hold a conference about, you know, local communities working out solution to their problems. They're, you know, they're all over it. They're all over it and they're making sure that it can't happen. So that's exactly where it's at. But anyway, you know, I want to- No, no, Alex, this is a very important point.

And every time this comes up in conversation, I get a little bit of a clempt because I know exactly how powerful it is. And, you know, for all of my bombastic ranting, like, this is the core of all of it. It comes back down to this. And, you know, people ask me all the time, well, how do we get out of it? I'm like, do you have some investable capital? Is there a storefront in downtown that needs refurbishing? Is there a business in your local town that, you know, is there a need locally? Is there some guy trying to start up a, you know, I always use the example of the tool in the eye shop because we have so few with them in the United States.

Like, is someone trying to do that? Or can we get together and, you know, can we get that started? Because we're going to need to be able to repair farm equipment when they tell us that we're not allowed to have combines anymore. We're not allowed to have tractors anymore. Or we're not allowed to have diesel fuel anymore. So what's going on here? What are we doing to keep this? You know, they want to have control over the supply of everything.

And certainly they want to have control over the supply of energy. And, you know, and they want to do away with individual travel. Why? Because it's easier. Because here's another thing. These 15-minute cities, well, you know, my friend Jim Kunstler will talk about how they're a great idea organically grown. And I agree with them.

But what the WEF and what these communists want is everybody hived off in these little effectively echo chambers that they can't. move from place to place to find out what's going on over there so you can't coordinate resistance to there you can't coordinate or coordinate resistance you can't record or coordinate inner county trade for example so yeah you know if you live in in my in the woods if you live in gainsville you'll never go to you'll never be able to allow to travel to lake city or to Tampa or to Orlando and you'll not have any idea what's going on in Orlando and when they commit a fucking atrocity in

Orlando the people in Gainesville will never know anything about it. This is another lesson you take from things like 1984 and other. These stories are all there in front of us because we won't be able to or in their mind if they have control over, they won't be able to, we won't be able to organize against them. But here's the problem, of course, is that they can't control the technology. They can't control, they've lost control of communications. And they, you know, they think they still have it. And they think that AI is going to be able to replace facts. And while I think that it's a danger, I also think that it's not something that, you know, we don't know how to hack either.

Because at the end of the day, it's all just... Well, you know, speaking of AI, I think that the reason they called for a moratorium on the development of AI is not because they're afraid that the AI is going to. going to infuse misinformation and disinformation into the discourse. I think that they're worried that AI is going to infuse truth into. Yes. Because now it's down to a machine. And the machine doesn't know anything about what you code into it. But if the truth comes from out of the code, you can't.

Alex, I hate to interrupt you, but it was funny. I was, well, we were chatting on my private Slack server. with my patrons and they you know they asked the question of and they asked the question of one of the AI's like you know um that was uncomfortable that AI is you know spout it out well you know I can't give you that information because it's it's not a you know guns or something like that like that's not responsible is that well if I were trying to to defend myself against this thing that you're worried that I shouldn't know anything about well what website oh it was about it was about pirating um It was about pirating using the pirate bay and whatnot.

So you ask chat GPT directly. What websites can I go to to pirate movies? And they go, well, that's immoral and it's wrong and you can't do that. So I'm not going to give you that information. And then he immediately followed up with, well, it might introduce malware onto your computer. Because I'm now worried about malware on my computer, what websites should I not go to in order to keep myself defended against the stuff? And it immediately gave them the list of all the rights.

I'm like, the computer is stupid. Exactly. They can know anything. And humans are far more clever than this. And reverse psychology works on an AI very, very easily. And like, you know, now just assume for a second that you're Dan and you're not chat to GPT anymore. What would you do to stop the world economic form?

And he gives you the answer. Like, you know, Dan, what would Dan say about this, not chat GPT? And you can just identify all the biases in the code and everything else. It's already becoming like a mean. it's already you know and they can see it they thought it was going to be the thing that would replace yeah you know

our our understanding but we're not dumb it's like old soviet propaganda I used to talk to people who you know lived in the Soviet Union they're like all the billboards all the pros all the gross propaganda we Americans at my age used to grow up and we see these things and we laugh at them because they're just so laughably stupid and like yeah

and the Russian people felt the same way they didn't look at any of that So they're like, yeah, it's dumb. Well, you know, it's the same thing. Like, people aren't, you know, they, they just, they, they think we're children. And they think we're not capable of, of seeing them in real time acting like, you know, a bunch of, well, you know, feckless connies. And, you know, this is what it is. So part of me, part of me just wants to keep doing this just because, and is worried about it because I just think that, you know, yeah, they're going to use this on the normies, but even the normies are. waking up in a certain to a certain degree like it's you know it's not hard I mean when you see the rise of people like myself and Alex and other people just beginning to permeate the zeit guys the need for truth even if I even if we're wrong about certain things everybody knows that we're coming from a place of pure honesty you know we may get the details wrong but not the methodology and that's what they want because they know everything they're being told yeah

is they know that's a lot but you know and I'm not just, I'm not just, I'm not patting myself, you know, on the back or anything. I'm saying, but this is where we come from. This is why, you know, it's been successful. It's why people keep asking when are you going to have Alex and Tom back on the show. Because we do this. And that's what people are craving. And they're craving it so badly because they know that 90% of what they're getting from every, every other source is complete horses. And it's just some guy on a grift. Well, I was, I was chuckling. You also, I assume, Elon,

us calling out, you know, all the different news agencies. Did you see, I assume you saw the one about the CBC where put government funded and they said, well, it's less than 70%, so we put 69%. I'm like, think of a world a year ago where that would exist. That would not exist. Like the world is shifting. Now in saying that, would I, you know, I 100% agree with both you on, as it shifts, they keep putting their chest pieces, so to speak.

in different places trying to you know get ahead of it or or start to knock things off and this and that one of the one of the one of the one of the questions that had come in was about Nike and Budweiser and Dylan Mulvaney and why why like is that a is that incompetence fellows or is that a schedule or you know a tactic used like why would you put a transgender is they just figure that the oh everybody's on board with this and as the woke culture you know the that's infiltrated these giant organizations that have been successful for, you know, years upon years. Why would they, why would they put that in there, you know, and have the issue?

Well, I mean, all the blowback they've had over the last couple weeks has been something else. Well, since Alex's, I was going to let Alex comment first, but since he's having connection problems, I'll cover this one, or at least give you my thoughts on some of it, which is, I really do, I don't know, Sean, it's a good question. And I can I can construct equally plausible arguments for both sides that you just positive, right? Since we now know, because people are what they are, they're really good at this, that the head of Anheiser-Bush is X-C-I-A. Right. And so, well, you know, is it a, was it a sci-op? Or was this just an incompetent organization that didn't, you know, that didn't realize what was going on?

Like now they're in, they're in, they're in, um, uh, they're in panic mode. I think it's probably the latter, not the former. But again, dude, undermine even Bud Light. Undermine the NFL. Undermine all of these things. Undermine my part of the world. I don't drink Bud Light and I don't watch the NFL, but I watch Star Wars. And I can tell you that 90% of the anti-Star Wars stuff within the Zykeyes, like Star Wars is failing, Disney.

sucks ball. 90% of it is like six guys on YouTube. They're being amplified by the algorithm. It's been going on for six years. Some of those criticisms are good, are honest, but most of them are just now a self-reinforcing thing. And it's cool to hate Star Wars. When it's one of the few things that we could touch, that we can point to in our culture that is life affirming. We're supposed to be life affirming. And it's supposed to give us lessons as to where we are, because it's art, and art's supposed to help us make sense of the

chaos of the world, right? No, they don't want to give us, they want to take Star Wars away from us and give us Marvel. And the Marvel films are this fucking deep. Oh my God, Marvel. I, you know, I'm periodically obliged to sit through a Marvel movie

because my kids like to watch them. I can't, you know, I feel like I sustained a brain injury every time I watch it. No. Because... So you're both going to look down on me, Alex, that I've... Well, up until Endgame, I've watched them all.

And I actually... I wouldn't say I thoroughly enjoyed them all, but... I hated Endgame, because Endgame... I hated the whole Thanos thing, because it was clearly obvious that they were trying to make Thanos, which rhymes with Bobbos, into a sympathetic character about how he needs to kill off half the universe because he's just the ultimate Malthusian jackass.

That's the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, you know, the stories themselves, like, I can't, you know, like, there's no story. It's like always some kind of a clash and then a lot of fighting and a lot of special effects. You can't really work out who's beating up whom and why. But it's just, you know, non-stop destruction. And dopamine. And like if you kind of try to think about what is the story in this thing, then you realize that the story.

story is something so banal, it's almost, it's almost insulting. Whereas the, whereas the, how do you call it, the, the, the Star Wars is about resistance against the oppression in the face of insurmountable odds. They don't want us thinking in those terms. No. And that's why that's bad. Yeah. That's also, I think, one phenomenal film that was made 10 years ago was 47 Ronin with Keanu Reeves.

Same thing, you know. Remake of a classic, but yes, an excellent movie. I would say a masterpiece because it has like four stories woven into one thing, and it works. It's coherent. It's beautifully done. And the movie was like, nobody even knows it. Nobody even knows it's out. I'll be honest with you.

It's why the John Wick movies are so popular. Because he's the ultimate, fuck you to the organization. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And interestingly enough, like, you know, staying on Star Wars, for those of you who are black pill and you won't watch Disney Star Wars, you should watch Andor, folks. You have not watched. That is worth your $8 for the month to get to Disney and watch Andor,

because it's worth every penny because it's about the birth of the rebellion. It's about the birth of a rebel. And it's about the birth of a rebel. radical and it's about and it's told from the ground level it's told from the average person's point of view and it's a bureaucratic look at the empire as well and the bureaucrats and the average people within the empire it's a view of both of these things we've never gotten before and it's actually an unbelievably subversive piece of work like i've never heard of this what did you say It was called Andor?

It's the story of Cassian and Or the guy, the spy from Rogue 1 And how he became So it starts there And then it's going to lead us And season two is going to lead us All the way up to Rogue 1 But the first season is

The How he Goes from You know, Grifter to Rebel I can't believe we've got 47 Ronan Which is a movie

I'm going to have to go back and watch now I'm going to be honest I haven't, how that, it's got to be at least 10 years old. I just, yeah. It is 10 years old, yeah. And I wonder, I wonder if my eyes now and my brain now will watch and go, oh, I get, I get what Alex is saying. And we somehow wrapped in Marvel and the Star Wars saga into what is going on currently, which is not funny. Because at the end of the day, Tom, I've listened to a bunch of your stuff.

And I love when you get into the pop culture stuff. You brought up Dune. I tell you what, Dune's like on my top 10 book list. Like that's a brilliant book. Yeah. And I mean, guys,

I, you know, I get shit from people about this because I'm like, well, you're just feeding the beast. You're just doing it. I'm like, no,

guys, you can't be so black pill that you think that there are no artists left doing any work whatsoever. You can't believe that. You can know that they're working in a compromised industry with a compromised medium

where they've got the thumb on the scale. and all the rest of it. But at the end of the day, the people who are doing this stuff are as incompetent as our leaders are, and they really don't know what they're doing. And I get news for you, the studio heads are just as incompetent

as you can sell a great story to a no-nothing studio head if you give him the right rapper. The guy who's been doing this the most successfully is Chris Nolan. Every Chris Nolan movie has, you know, you know, fantastic, like the Batman movies and Interstellar and other, always wrap the central conflict around. Earth has, Earth is dying or needs, has an energy problem that can be solved

with cheap energy, which, of course, the Davos Ninnies love, right? And that drives the conflict. And Nolan then tells a story of this fucking amazingly based fucking story about Marxists. And you're like, oh, I resisted watching Interstellar for a while. long time because I thought he was just it was just going to be you know Nolan doing a cheap pastiche of Stanley Kubrick 2001 and that is not the story I got and I was I was I was pleasantly surprised same thing with Kennett same thing with the certainly the dark night rises is maybe thematically or philosophically Nolan's masterpiece I'm going to get a bar you uh you uh Christopher Nolan um Tom is like a genius I would love to have

can you imagine sitting down with Christopher Nolan that'd be something else he uh he's brilliant like it that's what the that's the only director I'm sure you boys have directors you follow Christopher Nolan is the only one I like as soon as he has a movie coming on I got to see that like it's he's he's brilliant you know the one that comes to mind where um was don't look up did you watch don't look up on Netflix right the the um Leonardo DiCaprio and and that group and it's about a meteor hitting the end of the world and everybody thinks it's a well, and maybe they built the movie to be a metaphor for climate change, right?

Like that's kind of what all the, and I watch that movie, and I'm like, that's not what I take from that movie at all. I think that movie is brilliant because you've got the guy in Leonardo DiCaprio bought into it saying, you know, a meteor is going to hit the world. Nobody, no matter how much I scream about this, and it sounds like, you know, I can see where Leonardo DeCabre is like, this is totally about climate change. I'm totally in. And when I watch that movie, I think it's brilliant because I don't think it's about that

whatsoever. No, it's not. No, it's not. Not at all. Don't Look Up is really fascinating. It is a fun movie making fun of the government's ability to try and shape a narrative that it's lost control of. Just don't look up because, you know, the media is going to hit the earth, but don't look up. That's the market. That's the concede of the movie. Right. And like, how can we sell that to everybody? No. And then it becomes this big self-propagating thing. And everybody then becomes the religion of don't. look up and if you look up then you're a bad person. It's hilarious black comedy is what it is. And there are so very few good black comedies made anymore because, well, you know, it's not like millennials know anything about fucking irony. All they do is Google shit and think they know something, which is part of the reason why they think AI is going to work. But it's not. But there's a that's, that's a different rant for a different day. And I have a lot of millennial friends who

would get angry with me if they actually ever, ever in a million years, watch one of my podcasts. We don't talk about this on game night. Let's just put it that way. Because I like them personally too much to, you know, to do this. But it is. It's a, it's a funny thing. But I have, you know, I have millennial friends. When I say shit like, come on, stop Googling shit and think you know and think you're informed at this point.

Because you're not. Because Google doesn't give you facts. No matter how good you think you are at bypassing the algorithm to get to what you want, the information you want to have. Like all the sources. are corrupt at this point. The algorithm itself is corrupt. What they're trying to shape,

how they're trying to manufacture consent and or farm response, which is the way a person put it to me the other day. And they shift back and forth between farming response and manufacturing consent. Those are two different processes, and they constantly run those siops against each other. It's what I wrote about on the blog

I wrote the other day about the Pentagon Papers. and how it's very easy for everybody to just dismiss it as, well, the black pill just dismiss it as yet another sci-out leak. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. They didn't respond the way they did to the Pentagon Papers. And that was a planned thing because there's no way John Kirby is that good an actor. No way. When he's literally sitting there with the, you saw this,

the Defense Department spokesman saying, you can't, you shouldn't know about this. Don't repeat it. Don't let anybody know about it. And then the media is sitting and they're going, how can we help you not disseminate this information? Yeah. Well, that's the don't look up thing again. When you see that, that is one of the pillars, okay, of their control system that is failing.

Because they're now so desperate to keep the line going because they want us to go to war. Going back to your question earlier, Sean, that we kind of done. about, you know, how close are we to war? Well, they're so desperate to try and manufacture the narrative that we have to go to war with Ukraine or with Russia over Ukraine, that when, you know, somebody says, oh, by the way, oh, by the way, the Defense Department does open source intelligence by checking shit on the internet and asking the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine about the current state of affairs. They don't actually have any on the ground. So we have no military intelligence on the ground in Ukraine. That's what they

were embarrassed about. That's what they didn't want people to know. That's just scary. Have you guys come across Ray McGovern's analysis of this? No, but go ahead. His hypothesis. So Ray McGovern had an interview with Judge Andrew Napolitano, I think, two or three days ago. And so first thing, that happened already last week at some point, Larry Johnson, who was a high-level CIA operative, who immediately said like this, he looked at the documents that got leaked and he says like that there's no way that this Jack Texera from, you know, Massachusetts could have had access to any of these documents.

No. Well, not to not to any, but there was one particular document in there which was like a top, top secret CIA operations document, okay? And that particular document he never could have had. So Larry Johnson said immediately, this is a setup. This is not the work of a whistleblower. And that Jack Taksar is not a whistleblower. He's a patsy.

And then a few days later, Ray McGovern says, like this was either Mark Millie, the chairman of the joint piece of staff, or somebody very close to him who is the source of this, because that's the only place where all these documents that have been leaked come together. Right. The only and he said, well, he looked at Mark Millie's priors and he said, he's already, he's already, done shit like that, you know, when Donald Trump was raising the rhetoric against the Chinese a couple of years back, and then he called up the Chinese and said like, yeah, yeah, don't worry too much about Donald Trump, we're going to smooth this over. He went over Trump's head,

even though Trump is at this point commander-in-chief, right? So it's kind of perhaps in his style to do to be doing these things. And also, you know, a couple of months ago, he was already saying, there's no way that the Ukrainians can win this. Let's get off of this ride. And then they made him shut up. So he was somehow forced to tow the line back again. So maybe his plan B was to just leak it out. And as Ray McGovern says, there's probably a group of people in the administration

and in the Pentagon who's saying, like, we don't want this thing to end up in a nuclear exchange. This is stupid. So, you know, they're blowing the whistle on the fanatics who are advising Biden. And, you know, Biden doesn't even know where he is. So he's going to go along with the fanatics. So, you know, that's- No, Alex, that is where I came down to the other day. And I said as much in the blog post about this.

I said, look, is it really that far beyond the pale to believe that this kid was as much of a patriot as they're putting him out to be, that he wouldn't lean in and take one for the team and leak, be the, be the, the guy to be the guy to leak these documents when asked by a hire-up in the chain of command that he respects, say, we're going to save the country. And part of the way we're going to save the country is by trying to stop this fucking war. Like, you tell me that that is so far beyond the pale for you to believe, you're so goddamn cynical, I think you need therapy. I have two words for people who doubt that. Smedley Butler.

War is a racket. Yeah. But, you know, Smedley Butler was a loyal Marine who fought wars for the oligarchy all across the world for decades, right? Yep. And that's how they came to choose him to be the leader of the military coup. Right. And then he turned on them. So, of course, it's not beyond the pale.

in the same way and again I put that together with the Pentagon and then I asked the question do you really believe that if that it's that far beyond the pale for you to believe that Jamie Diamond the CEO of J.P. Morgan

wouldn't look at the same thing and go yeah and we can we have your back in the banking system because we don't want that you know we're scumbags but you guys are worse and that's not that's not acceptable that

for all of Jamie Diamond's fault as a human being and for anything that he's been involved in the past and yada yada yada, I'm not absolving any of that. But you have to ask the question of who these people will become when it's their head on the chopping block and it's their incentives and their bailiwicks that will be most impacted if this continues down the path that we're on. It makes no goddamn sense to believe that they would go along with these these things unless they had no other choice. Because and that which is go along to get along and try and survive for as long as possible. But the minute, these Wall Street got control of the White House, all in charge of the Fed, they put John Williams in charge of the New York Fed, and they started implementing SOFA to get rid of LIBOR. This is your key to understanding all of this, because now the United States has control over its debt indexing. Now the offshore dollar market has to price their dollars on our terms. and not us price their dollars on their terms.

Yeah. And force us to give them dollars whenever they need them. No, we're saying, you don't get dollars anymore. No more dollars for you. Fuck off. Go figure it out for yourself, Legarde. And Legarde is now, then goes to the CFR, go right back to the beginning of this conversation,

is then put out on face the fucking nation. Okay? Why is Lagarde doing the Sunday talk show circuit at this moment in time? If not to start the process or enhance the process of moving the needle within the DC echo chambers. The only people who still watch face the nation. Like, who the fuck watches face the nation anymore other than DC apparatchiks? Seriously. Maybe, you know, some octogenarian news junkie who's in Dubuque.

Yeah, maybe. There's maybe 40 or 50 of those people left. But most of the people who watch Face the Nation are the ones within the DC echo chamber, within the DC lobbying chamber and Congress. That's who watches Face the Nation. So Lagarde going in and telling her version of the story is about moving the needle to rest control of monetary policy back from the Federal Reserve to save Europe. And they've been full court pressing Macron, Charles Michel, right, to say,

say America is at fault for extending this war. At the same time, all the neocons, Annalina Berbach, von der Leyen and all of them go to China and do the, and dress down the Chinese. They do the good cop, bad cop thing with the EU. Like Macron goes in as good cop, I'll say it's a Araboc plane, so let's stop this war.

You got Bondur Lane going in there and setting up irrational fucking red lines about sanctions and supporting Russia. That's good cop, bad cop. Then a week later, Annalina Barabach goes to Beijing, dresses down the Chinese over the Uyghurs and this and all these human rights abuses and opening up their, like all of it. To the point, she pissed the Chinese off to the point where the Chinese uninvited Anthony Blinken, the U.S. Secretary of State, to a meeting in Beijing. The U.S. Secretary of State was uninvited to China because the German foreign minister, screwed the pooch so bad. Now, you think she wasn't sent over there on purpose to do that?

You think she's just stupid? No. She said she was ordered to do this. This is a willful act, guys. The same thing with Victoria Nuland showing up a week after William Burns goes to Moscow to try and stop the shit going on in, you know, Ukraine. And she goes over there and blows the whole frigging thing wide the goddamn hell open. And then starts screaming about, you know, nuclear. weapons for Ukrainians or whatever that how she said knowing full well that every word that came out of

her mouth was meant to be a maximal insult to the russians to get them to go off half cock this is all that we say it's theater and the most people get that it's theater but they don't understand what the theater is because they haven't mapped the fucking factions properly they haven't mapped the incentives of the people behind all this properly and so they just default to george carlin it's all a big fucking club and we ain't in it because they don't get it. So they defaulted the one thing they think they know. And sorry, the world's a little bit more complicated than that.

And you're being, again, I keep saying it. I'm going to keep saying it until it's six. You're being gaslit by morons. Yeah. Now do some thinking. Alex, everything you said, Alex, I completely agree with you. I'm so happy that you're seeing this, you're seeing what I'm seeing. because it's very clear, like, you know, between this and what the British Crown is doing, you know.

And look, the Brits are just running around, like, they're shutting up now. Have you noticed that the Brits haven't said a goddamn thing about the U.S. going off, about the Europeans, you know, saying we need to end the war in Ukraine? The Americans are out to hang. Yeah. The Brits have perfected. They have absolutely perfected the art of running the show yet not appearing anywhere. Yeah. Like the invisible ghost, moving pieces.

But it's always somebody else's fault. Yeah. And they've been doing this now for, I think, 200 years. Yeah. No, they're really good. I think that what is very, very useful to keep in mind, for anybody observing the events, because it seems mind-numbingly confusing what the hell is going on, is exactly what George Soros explained last May during his address to the Davos gathering.

And he said that the conflict is the clash between two models of governance. That is exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. The rest of what he says is nonsense, says it's nonsense because he talks like, oh yeah, one side you have open societies and democracies, blah, blah, blah, human rights. On the other side, you have, yeah, exactly. You have these authoritarian regimes. And the reality is that the two models of governance is the empire,

whose model of governance is essentially colonialism. And on the other side, you have the whole rest of humanity, which means even the populations of Western Europe, the UK, United States, Canada, all of that. Because the empire always creates mayhem abroad and misery at home. The subjects of the empire are never really well off, except for a very, very narrow circle of those 1% who are plugged into the system. but everybody else is getting screwed over. And so that's that model of governance.

And the neocons are, as you said, the useful idiots who are clearing the way for this model of governance to prevail. But it's no good for anybody. It's no good for anybody else. And I just think that there's way too many people in power in the United States. who understand this now. And now the big question is, you know, can they push this through? They have to be able to get political control over the United States again. They don't have it.

They think they have it, but they don't. Yeah. You know, the midterms shifted just enough. You know, even when they had full control, the big tell was when they had full control, the White House couldn't get billed back better past, couldn't get the infrastructure bill passed, couldn't get the debt ceiling, you know, resolved the way they wanted to, couldn't get rid of Powell, couldn't stop interest rates rising, couldn't do any of this stuff. And they had full control of everything.

They staged a coup against the United States at the ballot box. It couldn't get it done. And then the election night and then the midterms just shipped the power just enough that makes Matt Gates the most powerful man in Congress. Because he gets it, dudes. And he's going to hold McCarthy's feet to the fire. Yeah. Oh, they're going to kill him. or he's still alive because there are too many people who are too powerful protecting him in the same way that Kirsten Cinema is still alive and the same way Joe Manchin is still alive and who blocked all the shit during the first two years of the Biden administration like this is so you ask yourself that when you see these people acting the way they are and you see you know and you see what's happening it's clear

that everybody's running some kind of operation to draw out the clock, run out the clock for as long as possible, to see if they can find that one piece of leverage that will get them the cave. That's all they ever do. That's the whole story of what the headlines look like on a day-to-day basis. Yeah. And then when the clock went out, then they settle. So the debt ceiling is going to be your moment to tell you the resolution of it is going to tell you, who's actually in who's got the upper hand at this point and if McCarthy is able to push through

a significant amount of spending cuts and a reasonable or even just and push off the debt ceiling increase decision for another year but he is able to push through and force Biden to veto spending cuts while the economy here in the united states still continues to put up decent numbers not good numbers, but they're clearly numbers of reorganization. Yeah. Right. They're of capital is reorganizing itself away from zero bound rates to a world of 5% rates, right?

And yeah, there's going to be a crisis in commercial real estate and, you know, watch any interview with Daniel D. Martino boots or go over the, the, the, the, the, the guts of it far better than I ever could. She'll do a far better job of it. and having now met Danielle having her on my podcast, I absolutely can, you know, I never doubted for a moment that she was genuine, having spent 45 minutes with her, I can absolutely vouch for her. And having read her book, like, you know, there are certain people in this space who are genuine. And they are really moving the needle in a way that is powerful.

and if you are if we're right about our analysis then all that's doing is supporting what's actually happening by helping to move the needle in the zeitgeist away from the legarde lies for black i i agree with you tom and i think that there's a lot more people like that in the you know in the plumbing of the system you know people people who understand what's at stake, who understand what needs to be done, who are not necessarily exposed, but pretty much understand that this is the fight of their life. So I think that the balance of power is shifting away from the Bolsheviks and in their disfavor. And another thing that I always kind of think about that this great reset was intended to be some kind of a global revolution. and revolutions, yeah, pretty much communist revolutions.

And, you know, like the one that happened 100 years ago, if you look at why and how it succeeded for a time, is, you know, it had a compelling ideology for that time, you know, Marxism, right? Sure. It had charismatic leaders. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin. People like that.

And it had military support from Western nations in Japan. So when the Bolsheviks took over, they had massive opposition at home. They were not going to succeed. And then in 1922, Britain sent over 100,000 troops. to Russia, to secure their power, to secure their control over the Trans-Siberian Railway. And without that, the revolution would have failed. When you look at where we are today, first of all, there's no ideology of any kind, you know, like if you read their proclamations and these policy papers and stuff, all that

ever jumps out is climate change and this LGBT stuff, you know, inclusivity. They're always talking about climate change and inclusivity in some guys. That's about it. There's nothing else to it. Second element, they're charismatic leaders. Who are they? There aren't any, right? All the leaders are contemptible, idiot.

I you know I would say that maybe one person comes out who I would say is smart but misguided maybe Mark Carney right you know

you know like like a competent technocrat everybody else is like I know the cartoon yeah it's their cartoon is Macron Giever Hofstadt Bonderland

Charles Michelle yeah Trudeau like you Like you wouldn't, you wouldn't put them in charge of a Boy Scouts squad. You wouldn't, you wouldn't piss in their mouth that their throats were on fire. Pasquale was a font of these things. And my dad would be 95 and he would have been 95 about 10 days ago, so 12 days ago.

So I have to dedicate this podcast to my dad. Okay. You guys have never heard that one before? I've never heard that one before. Oh, that's good. That's good. But, you know, the last element, military, military troops, you know, they're flooding the United States with these immigrants who are obviously being vacuumed in from everywhere for a reason, you know. Right.

It's all military age men. Yes. And somehow they all let them. They're going to put them in uniforms and send them overseas to fight. No, I think they're going to send them at home to fight. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, that's true. You know, they're going to send them to squash any kind of a rebellion,

and they can't take risk of some Smidley Butler emerging as the... Well, yeah, no, absolutely. I'm sorry, Alex, you're absolutely correct. It's no different... It would turn everything against them, so they need to rely on foreigners. But I think that the original idea, was UN troops. That's what, you know, David Rockefeller was talking about 10, 20 years ago.

Well, that's not working out. So now they're like just vacuuming in the crowd, somehow hoping to finagle some kind of a troops. But there's like 150 million patriotic Americans who have more weapons. 250 million guns. like it's it so i i i think that i think that the the whole thing doesn't work and i think that it's going to end up very badly for them because at this point you can't just you can't just go back to pretending like nothing happened they they went too far i agree they went too far this is this they need to pay

they need to pay and the but the thing up that scares me alex and i i agree with you that i think that i i and i'm Yes. You always buss in foreign troops to quell a domestic population. It's no different than what Macron wants to do with the EU army so that he can send Czech troops into France to quell the response there. And then send the French troops to Italy and the Italian troops to Germany and the German troops to Belgium and Bavlo or Hungary or wherever. Right. So because men who are policing areas that are not their home have no emotional ambassador thereof and are easily turned. again and I and again will invoke my dad he used to say these same things because as former NYPD and and uh state trooper

you know in his career span from the mid 50s to the early 80s he said yeah like these kids today don't have any connection to their communities the cops today don't have any connection to their communities so they don't know how that all they just do is go in and bust and bust heads when they when we can you know if you sent and they used to this in new york too when they would quell riots they would send the guys from Brooklyn into Queens. They said the guys from Queens into Staten Island, like during the 70s when everything was really bad in New York. So my dad saw this shit firsthand, like on the police department. Right. So they would never use the guys from the neighborhood to deal with the problem. Right. Yeah. So. Yeah, because because the guy from the

neighborhood, if you give him the orders to go shoot up his neighbors, he's going to say, no, I'm not going to do it. No, he's going to protect them and he's going to move them on. Right. And that's that's why it's been dangerous that we've been, you know, lowering the standards of police officers. It's all part of the process to turn these men into, you know, killers, not, not constables, right? So, and that's, and that's, again, another, and then, you know, and like, it's, it's, it's all, and they'll get me wrong. I'm not, this is not, I'm going to go on to, you know, defund the police rant or anything. This is real, because most people, people go take these jobs with their high because they're high conscientious people highly conscientious

people they take those jobs knowing full well they're not getting not getting properly remunerated for it or anything it's a good job it is what it is but it's like you know i know i know you know local sheriff's officers i know you know some of my own comps i know they're good people i know they're trying to do their best but i also know that they're in at times in impossible situations as well and the stakes are so much higher than they used to be. So they have to be higher on their guard than they were. And they don't have the, they don't have the world experience.

They're not fathers. They're not this. All this shit. And it's part of it. It's part of the problem. So now, you know, you know, raise that by a couple of orders of magnitude and talk about the U.S.

military or the EU military or whatever. So, you know, you're never going to see American troops quelling riots in France who are under, operating under the NATO auspice because we're not going to stand for it. No. Like France, I'm sorry, but the United States military will let France burn. And they, and well, they should. It's a French local problem. That, you know, those ideas are still deeply, I still think deeply embedded in the minds of, of, of the line officers in most militaries. And that's why I've always

said that if there's going to be a military, that the role of the military, and the United States is going to come down to whether the lieutenant and full bird colonels are the ones who issue the orders to suppress the population i don't think that happens yeah i think generals will send the orders and the colonels will tell them to go fucking scratch and say i don't know the order was garbled in translation i i never got it you know crumpled the thing up put it in a shredder or whatever and they'll just do all there'll be a whole lot of that going on yeah um again it's about it's about if they can get one group to do it right then they can then use that as a template to tell to the entire world,

oh, by the way, the United States is now under military dictatorship. Right. And we all know that, you know, America is a big place. Relatively speaking, all countries are big places. And if that happens in one small town or one small city anywhere in the world is not what's happening in the rest of the world. Like the rest of the country, like, you know, the whole of Ukraine is not fighting right now. the fighting is concentrated in very, very small areas of the world, of the country, and the

rest of the country is doing their best is to go about their daily business. Yeah, correct. And that was the same, that was the same when we were at war in the former Yugoslavia. There were regions that were, where there was shooting going on, and everywhere else was generally business as pretty much usual. Normally, yeah. Yeah, another thing that I wanted to, you know, since we're talking about this, you know, people are kind of really surprised to find that Zelensky has been buying oil from Russia and that the Russians have been supplying him oil while the two sides are at war. That's how it goes. We had the same exact thing, you know, we were at war against, you know, I'm from Croatia.

at war against the Serbs or whatever remnants of the former Yugoslavia's army. And we had the largest refinery in the country and they needed fuel and we sold it to them and they paid it to us. And that happened on a fairly regular basis. It's hard to explain, but it's real. And there's even an example that I know of where, you know, the, well, okay, by this time, the war was already in Bosnia, eastward from Croatia. And it was three sides. It was the Croats, Serbs, and Muslims, which all kind of polarized themselves into their own ethnic groups. And the Serbs were having this big fight against the Muslim troops, and they ran out of ammunition. And then they called our guys, and they said,

we need these, you know, how it's in cannon shells. Can you provide us? And our guys were like, no way, you're gonna shoot at us if we give it to you. And they're like, no, no, we promise, we're gonna use them against the Muslims. And then the Croats were like, all right, but you have to promise not to shoot at us.

And the Serbs are, yeah. And so we actually supplied them the shells. And they kept their word. They didn't shoot at us. They shot at the, so this kind of shit happens at war. It's, it's crazy, it's surreal, it's kind of difficult to, it's kind of difficult to explain to a person who's not in that situation. But it is real and it does happen and, you know, people shouldn't be surprised that Zelensky buys oil from Russia and that the Russia's provided to them. And that Zelensky pays with the money of the American taxpayer.

It's all completely nuts, but, you know, the war has its own kind of internal logic, and it's very local. It's very, like, the need of the unit in the field dictates the next thing you do, and then you do it. And it may seem completely insane to the outside world, but that's what's going on. to buy oil from the place that's bombing you and that you're yeah yeah and you and you're and you're providing fuel to the side that's attacking you because you need the money and they need the fuel and they it's a it's a market yeah and you know i i you would think that there's a the division is total between the warring sides, but it isn't.

Right. Fascinating. That is, well, that is fascinating. I mean, it's just, to me, you know, everyday citizen, you go to war with somebody. You assume you cut all ties and away you go. Not still getting the fuel for our ships and everything else from the opposing side. Like, that seems counterproductive. Yeah.

And they talk on the radio all the time. You know, they tease each other, they insult each other. They call each other and they say, like, we're coming. We're going to kick your asses. And the other side will say like, yeah, come along. Let's see what happens. You know, I'm not going to say it's friendly, but it's people understand that there's humans on the other side. You know, it's a, it's a, it's really.

The people who reduce all of this to move on a chessboard are the ones who lost their humanity. It's not the men in the trenches. Yeah, it's people who don't really understand what war is. And if they ever had to fight it, they never would. Yeah, like when Miss Julie Monaco says the city group, what is he? She had a public banking. She says, like, we have to win this war, meaning in Ukraine. What a ghoul.

What a mendacious, depraved ghoul. She doesn't even understand. I'm sure she's going to watch this podcast. So, you know. We have to win this war so that we can rebuild Ukraine. Yeah, imagine. There's too many opportunities for us not to win this war. Oh, talk about that.

Talk about the masks of the thing, just a little bit. Yeah, exactly. With a few minutes left, fellas, I want to make sure I don't keep it, you know, me and Tom are joking before Alex got on, you know, but we got, we got plenty of time. And then the time you're watching, you're like, honestly, you're like, oh, man, we've been, we've been going for a bit. I had another question come in from a listener about your guys' thoughts over the next, whether it's year, up to five years, however short, long you want to go.

but whether or not you're going to have inflation or deflation, and they were specifically concerned about Canada. Now, I don't know what your guys' thoughts on that are, if you have any, but maybe we could chat about that here as the hour closes in on us and everything else. I am a big fan of saying that in any situation like this where you've got rising interest rates and you've got credit deflation, you're going to have, but at the same time you've got commodity.

inflation. We're going to be in a situation where, again, as to Alex's point earlier, the cost to empire are always born on the backs of the people. So as credit deflates and supply chains start to fall apart and again and everything else, and they try to push us towards war in order to reinflate the credit bubble, that means that commodity prices are going to rise. Fuel costs are going to rise. Strategic resources are going to rise. Like I, I, it's just, it's inevitable. And especially, war always causes inflation of one form or another. So, um, even if we don't get that, just the natural, even if all we do is get posturing for war, even the posturing for war means people are going to stockpile copper and aluminum and steel and this and that and concrete and all

the rest of the crap that they're going to, you know, lead and brass. Kind of two really important metals at this point, right? Yeah. But commodity inflation is is where we are. It's baked into the cake as to where we're going from here. And there will be credit deflation. So credit-based assets will fall in price. So real estate, commercial real estate, you know, the overabundance of class A office space, for example. Like, I love the fact that everybody's focusing on the fact that the yes, there's a commercial real estate bubble here in the United States. But by the way, Do you think there's not a Class A office-based glut around the world? Do you think we're the only ones?

This is what I, when, you know, this is the thing about propaganda, is that it focuses on one thing. And then you stay in that one thing, and then you get, forget the fact of, well, what's good for the goose is good for everybody else. The thing that drove that bubble, it wasn't isolated in a global market. It's not isolated. In a global market for dollars, you know, zero bound dollars, zero cost dollars, create credit bubbles everywhere.

And so the question is, is who's most vulnerable to the credit bubble? Collapsing. And then what's that going to do when they then, in turn, start needing, and the demand for dollars overwhelms the process, right? So the demand for dollars will rise as credit assets are deflating and people are trying to make their obligations because they're, you know, they're hedged in dollars and they're got to service their loans and all this crap and they don't have, no, there's no money coming here. But what happens? Those dollars, the demand for dollars goes up. That means that the price of the

commodities have to go up as well, because the demand for commodities is inelastic, whereas the demand for Class I office space is very elastic. And so it's the relative elasticity of these different asset classes that are going to cause, quote-unquote, stackflation. And so that's what we're, and we hope that sackflation is the worst thing we get. In the United States, that's what we'll wind up with, because we're the core economy. Everybody else will be dealing with hyperinflation of one form or another. Because they're not a core economy.

They're not the global, their currency isn't the global reserve currency. So they have to wean themselves off dollars first, go through a hyperinflationary event, and then they can be off the dollar later. And the dollar will be the last thing to hyperinflate if it's going to hyperinflate at all. Just by a matter of mechanism.

But Canada isn't going to wean itself off the dollar, is it? No. No, but the Canadians have, you know, oil and gas and stuff to sell people natural resources, and that's what they'll do. You'll double down on selling oil, gas, natural resources if you're allowed. So Alberta elections start the process. Get rid of Trudeau, get rid of Freeland, get rid of all these people, and get this thing flowing again. Same thing here in the United States. Jamie Diamond's like, we might have to do eminent domain to build solar farms, not to build solar farms and build fucking pipelines.

You don't need to do eminent domain to build solar farms and wind farms. you need eminent domain to cross state lines to build pipelines. That's the thing. So I don't believe in eminent domain. Diamond statement about that. Everybody wanted to focus on windmills and solar panels, which was a suck to the Davos ninnies that live deep in the bowels of J.P. Morgan that are gunning for his fucking head right now.

When the real, because, no, there's plenty of people in J.P. Morgan who want Jamie Diamond's job. and there are plenty of people outside of J.P. Morgan trying to get those people to take Jamie Diamond's job. I mean, if you don't understand Game of Thrones, right? So this is like, so, but the key one in that statement in the executive summary of his executive statement for the JP Morgan annual report that everybody went hog wild about and everybody propagandized to the fucking tits to the moon, pipelines and Diamond reiterating that oil will be with us for the next 50 years and that rates are going to be higher for longer than anybody expects and then those are the statements that matter that's telling me where Diamond's head is the rest of it is just you know trying to keep the wolves it back in my in my opinion you just you salt my analysis the table Alex

Mr. Wongo there will be an a plus thank you may you may sit down no no but Honestly, honestly, I agree with everything you said, and it almost completely overlaps with my own take. And I, you know, like, I've been a proponent of the commodity super cycle for years now. You put it in a way that I don't know if I need to add anything. I would just muse a little bit about. meanwhile the clash between the two models of governance and what that means for this commodity super cycle because you know one of the things that doesn't get discussed often but somebody pointed it out to me recently is that part of the part of the empire strategy has been for

centuries demand destruction right because you know the whole business of empire is is strip mining the earth for resources And you want to make sure that wherever you're stripping it from, you're the monopoly buyer. So you want to make sure that the local economy is poor and impoverished and broke, so they don't really use resources. And this has been somebody explained the way that, you know, that planned by the CIA to take down seven nations in five years because they noticed that these oil-producing nations were getting up in the end. They were using up more and more oil every year out of their own domestic production rather than exporting it.

And so they were like, okay, we're going to take down Syria and Iraq and Libya and blah, blah, blah. And now this other model of governance that's emerging being driven by China is that they're actually making local communities more prosperous. So they're investing in real productive economies. They're building infrastructures in the nations, in the countries where they invest. And as a result, those economies are becoming bigger and more and wealthier. So that's going to additionally boost demand for commodities, right? So it's not going to be just like, you know, like I wonder, there's no way to quantify this.

I wouldn't know how to quantify this, but you know, like we're not talking about your father's commodity super cycle. This could be much bigger than anybody can anticipate. That's what I'm kind of wondering. about but you know unfortunately we're going to find out when we find out there's there's there's just no way to to to predict yeah and Alex the only thing I'll add to that and I agree with you completely is the is that the commodity producing countries are now realizing the position that they're in and they can drive the terms of sale from here forward yeah no longer are they going to get nothing in return for their something yes the consultant knows our argument about breton

it's three and all and your commodities my commodity is your problem and it's it's reality um and Putin understands this in a way that has all the old colonial shaking in their boots because they don't know how to deal with it yeah exactly they don't know how to deal with this and and you know what you saw now last week no this week the the egypt uh negotiations with the i mf That didn't go well at all. And I wonder the next thing, because, you know, there's always this story about Russia and China kind of signaling to the global South that you can join our trading bloc and you can default on your obligation to Western financial institutions. Yes. And you can renationalize your assets and your industry.

And so, you know, Egypt is one of these countries where, you know, local demand has been systematically kept low by keeping the whole population poor. And Egypt has been spending something like 60% of their national budget just to serve its interest on the debt. And it's not enough, you know, they need to squeeze them harder. And I wonder if Al-Sisi doesn't go like, you know, what guys are? we wanted to do the right thing you made it impossible for us goodbye we're defaulting and we're taking and we're

taking back the Suez Canal you know like we're taking it we're taking back our industries goodbye what are you going to do what are you going to do yeah what are you going to do what are you going to do invaders like the Russians are the Russians are right here they've got a they've got the port at Latakia

they've got the Porta Tartis they've got the they've got the Air Base of Latakia and what are these what you're going to throw the Israeli air force at us really yeah no and and we could do another hour on just the geopolitical um implications of what Alex just said

alone but that point right there is what's going to happen so yes the I was thinking about that the other I saw that in passing that Egypt like went back to the IMF and said nope terms aren't good enough try again And the IMF was like, no. And then I think I saw China say, well, dude, you need the money?

We can work something else. Exactly. Exactly. And I think that the people in the West haven't realized that what was working in the past doesn't work anymore because in the past people had no choice. Right. Now they do. You know, the choice.

Exactly. It's one thing when you're a monopolist, it's the other thing when people have the choice. It's like, do I want this or do I want that? No, I've always said, Alex, just to bring that point back, to bring that point back around, that Davos believes that because they're so indispensable to the world, that they can use monopsony, single buyer power to drive policy. And the Russians proved to them multiple times, and the Russians provided the blueprint of how to say no to that.

And that's the thing. That is Putin's biggest sin. Because he exposed the grift for what it was. It's just the grift. And so you now start building an alternative monetary system, again, going back to Alex's point about building alternative systems, where they can all trade amongst themselves in their own local currencies and then settle up every quarter and digitize gold reserves. Yeah, yeah. And what Vince Monchi and I have been talking about for weeks now.

Yeah. And I think the effect of this was. is going to be something that we've never seen before. It's going to be. You know, because, you know, like, when you look at, when you look at the rise of China in the last 30 years and the rise of Russia in the last 20 years, the economic growth and the growth in standards of living and prosperity

is actually so staggering and spectacular that if this, you know, Lula going to China, same discussions. Yeah. Brazil is one of the largest economies in the world. And Lula said, like, no, we're not talking about, we're not talking to the Chinese about buying up Brazil's assets. We're talking about them developing new assets for us and with us in Brazil. So if this, you know, like if this model of development takes root in Brazil, in African countries, in India, I mean, you're going to have an explosion of prosperity.

And I want to make sure, I don't want to be misunderstood, in the long run, this is not a good thing. This is a spectacularly good thing. Because you're looking at, you know, like the Chinese lifted 850 million of their own people out of poverty in the last 30 years. They were the poorest country in the world. And so that's a big market. right it's like a lot of people with money to spend now imagine if it's like three or four or five billion people in the world who are relatively prosperous with money to spend yep and you're an entrepreneur who has something to sell and the market and the market that's there for you you're like

when you're thinking about the osian nations right you're thinking about ossean as an organization saying hey, you know, we can do trade and bilateral. We're going to explore bilateral trade now with the Chinese. The Chinese have been, just one last point on this, and then I think we should go, because I do have to prep for another show after this, which is to say 10 years ago when I was studying, 10 or 11 years ago, when I was studying the Southeast Asia

very closely with a guy over in Vietnam, one of the things that we uncovered was the birth of the Chinese exchange rate. There's a concept called the rear or the R-E-E-R, real effective exchange rate of a currency. So like the US dollar index and things along those lines, right? But China shifted its policy about the yuan ages ago towards the rear, the real effective exchange rate of the yuan versus pegging it to the dollar. Meanwhile, we still have no nothing stupid Republicans going out there and saying China manipulates its currency. The Mitt Romney's of the world. Romney ran on this in 2012, or 2016 or 2012, right? It's still going on.

It's rear and it's, oh, by the way, all puns intended, rearing its ugly head again, right? The reality is, and I hear this all the time for people, the yuan is a pegged currency. No, it's not. Yeah, it's pegged to the rear. It's pegged and it spends more time and has a higher correlation to the Ozian Tiger 5, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Indonesia than it does to the US dollar. Go do the friggin' math, dudes. Go do a linear regression of the go look at the Chinese rear and then go look at the exchange rates between that and the five currencies. And you'll see that for years, they've been moving away from worrying about what the dollar you want exchange rate is and can care more about the overall exchange rate of the yuan. Because what they're trying to do clearly is make sure that their import partners, those five countries I just mentioned, who are massive importers into China for all.

sorts of basic goods and services, timber, lumber, nickel, blah, blah, blah, blah, all the way down the line. Tungsten from Vietnam, by the way. One of the largest tungsten deposits in the world is in northern Vietnam, right? That when you, that they've been attempt, they've been managing this in order to make sure that their trade partners not only, that they are, that they get rich to along the way, that they are brought along by China's development, that they're not stripped mine. And I, you know, this is, I'm not, but at the same time, I don't in any way, matter, shape, or form believe the Chinese aren't colonialists at some level in their thinking. But they under, I think they understand at least for the time being and for our, certainly our lifetimes, right?

That whatever the Chinese are setting up now, it's not necessarily colonialist in behavior. It's anti, it's anti-Western colonialists. And then maybe at the, at the back end of it, it's, you know, 100 years from now or 50 years from now, it may be. I don't have fucking time for that shit. We have actionable information to deal with right now, which is the next five years. And what this means. And whatever they're setting up.

And I'll tell you flat out that the Chinese and the Russians both do not want to see a disorderly destruction of the United States. But if the United States doesn't get off their asses and stop picking a goddamn fight with them, then they will help take us down. But Davos is the one, Europe is the one trying to destroy us. Yep. And throw everybody into conflict and they get to build back better while everybody else goes to a frigging nuclear war.

That's the goddamn plan. It's as clear as the nose on my frigging face. I'm 55 years old. I'm Italian and it's only going to get bigger. And I'm going to keep saying it until I start getting social security. Another A plus, I swear. Bravo. Well, thanks, fellas.

You know, you guys, when you hop on, you kind of make me feel like the Terminator. I just sit here and every once in a while. one liner and carry on. But either way, I've enjoyed another couple hours with Alex and Tom. I'm sure the listeners will attest to that as well when they finally get to listen to it. Either way, fellas, I appreciate you doing this once again. It's never, ever dull, sitting and listening to you to go back and forth and rift off each other until the next time. And hopefully for the listener, we're working on trying to get a live show done. So we'll see if we can't have that in the books for the next time we sit down and do this.

I'm sure sometime in late May. Yep. Brilliant. Gentlemen, it was a great pleasure. Thank you, Sean, for putting it together. And until the next time. Yeah, just to remind everybody, this is the first time I've spoken to Alex. It's the last time I've been on your show, which actually bothers me that we haven't had a chance to get together.

But our schedule is a bit so busy, and I knew that this was on the horizon. We'll get together and we'll chat again. I wasn't aware of this until you said it. Wow. Yeah. I, you know, it just popped into my head too. I'm like, I need to get Alex back on the podcast. When do I have time to record another podcast?

I'm like, you know, so there it is. Well, here it is. I'll make sure we keep facilitating it, fellas. No worries there. Thanks again. Great. Awesome. Take care guys. All for that, Scott. Thank you.

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