Shaun Newman Podcast - #418 - Vance Crowe

Episode Date: April 24, 2023

Communications consultant that has worked for corporations and international organizations around the world, he is the former director of millennial engagement for Monsanto & hosts the Vance Crowe Podcast. We discuss AI, mental road blocks & value 4 value. Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Let me know what you thinkText me 587-217-8500

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For more information, visit them at Hancock, Petroleum.comptrolium.com. He's a communications consultant that has worked for corporations and international organizations around the world. He's the former director of millennial engagement from Masanto. He hosts the Vance Crowe podcast. Yes, I'm talking. about Mr. Vance Crow. So buckle up, here we go. This is Vance Crow, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast.

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Mr. Vance Crow. So, sir, it's been a while. I feel like I haven't talked to you in a while. I know to the listener, it's like, oh, you guys haven't been on in like, you know, months. But for us, too, usually a text or two goes back and forth each week, and it's been not quiet, but you've been busy. So how are things?

things are great man the life has never been busier and uh man it just feels like a joyful time of year is that because the snow is going and you know i feel like my joyful time of the year is a little different you oilers are in the playoffs they lost game one and certainly by the time people listen to this we'll have a whole different series uh on her hands but uh you know for me right now the snow's going and playoff hockey is here i assume that's not the same for vans no it's uh as much as i like hearing you and two's talk about hockey. I have no idea what's going on where these playoffs are held. Who's in them? Anything. Well, you don't have to worry. St. Louis didn't make it this year. So I can't even harp on you for that. But I did see that it's warmer where you guys are at

because the clunker dunker went underwater, eh? Yeah, it did. Yeah, it did. That was like a day and a half off. You know, a day and a half off of winning some money anyways. Yeah, it was kid yeah that's that's that's Dustin's little fundraiser for the listener who isn't on the Tuesday mashup we had my brother on and they did a they got a not an old beater it was a it was a cube van with clunker dunker on the side they put it out on a a water it's not a slew because it's it's something that's specific anyways kind of like a dugout and you could bet on times every 10 minutes you could put in another 20 bucks another 20 bucks another 20 bucks I'm sure somebody must have been like

right on top of that because that would have been really smart. By the end, it's like seven grand, right? And it finally went through. So, yeah, it's been beautiful up here. Well, it is totally spring here. The flowering trees are everywhere. It is, St. Louis is one of the most beautiful places I've ever been in spring. And it's because it's right at that dividing line between south and north. And so you get some of the most amazing colored trees and flowers. It's awesome. Well, you know, as much as I want to talk, flowers and trees which is funny one of the things that we talked I can't remember if you told me here in January or how it came up I can't I can't remember the entire story

but this fountain thing and I've talked about it a little bit and I've had a couple listeners come across and it's it's trickled in I don't I don't know I don't fully understand it but I you know I did a little bit of reading and that type of thing and I was like you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna have Vance on and we're gonna talk about this because you're a big pusher of the fountain app that pays you in Satoshi and I I was like, well, who better to bring on to talk about this and see if it's a fit or not a fit. Anyways, the Fountain app that I called like Fire, I've called it like six different names.

People are laughing at me because Sean can't get it right. What sticks out to you about Fountain that you're like, oh, this makes sense? So the Fountain App is a fascinating way to deliver content that producers are making like you and I with our podcasts to people that want to listen and they want to pay those producers. for the fact that they're listening. And so they call this value for value. And in the past, when you wanted to use another podcasting app, like let's say Apple's podcasting app or Spotify, you and I put that content up there and it just is distributed for free. And then the way that a regular podcaster might make money is you have ads and you, so then you're basically selling some portion of your listeners' attention for those ads. But what value for value does is

it says, hey, I'm going to, if I'm listening to the Sean Newman podcast, I'm going to hit a button that says, for every minute I listen, give him 10 Satoshes. And 10 Satoshes is virtually nothing. It's, you know, it takes 3,000 some Satoshes to equal a single dollar. So you imagine this is just like a fraction of a penny that's being given to you for every minute I listen to it. And so it's like really very low cost micro payments from me to you. And the thing that's beautiful about this is if you tried to institute this on something like Apple Podcast or Spotify, you'd have to use the credit card companies. And the credit card companies are going to be like, all right, every time you make a payment, we're going to charge you $2.50 for the, of a fee for that. And then

in addition to however much money you put out there, or they're going to charge you some percentage of it, maybe like 2.9%. And so, it's like it totally isn't feasible. I don't want to pay you $2.50 for your episode. Maybe I just want to give you 90 cents or 9 cents or something even smaller than that because I'm just going to pay you in these tiny microways. But if you have thousands or hundreds of thousands of listeners, people giving these tiny micropayments add up to something real by and also cut out those middlemen. So this is a way to use Bitcoin to transform the ecosystem around how people listen and how they, um, get money to the people that are producing the content that they love.

So let's say I'm Bill and I go, ooh, this sounds like I like both Sean and Vance. I would love nothing more than to give them a fraction of a cent every time I listen to an episode. What does a person have to do? I mean, obviously just download the fountain app. But after that, what are the steps in order to get to the point where, because one of the things that I find,

I remember when Joe Rogan switched from Apple and certainly YouTube and went over to Spotify and that's the only way it took me it took me it took me a couple it took me a little bit like it I was very not frustrated by him because I completely understood it but it's like somewhere lodged in my brain is like I don't want to use Spotify I don't I like Apple I like how easy it is it's it's kind of my anyways you get the point so for the person that's listening is they're going I don't know download an app I got it all just sitting in my phone I know how this works etc, et cetera, et cetera. So what does a person, let's say they're interested in this? How do they go about doing it and how difficult is it? Well, the guys at the Fountain App Company, I've never met

them. I don't know anything about them. They did it right. What they did was they said, hey, we are going to go out and it's called scraping RSS feeds. So when you and I put our podcast out, we just put it up on a little link. And all these different companies, whether it's Apple Podcast or Spotify, they just go and grab that information on that link and pull it down. So if you download this app, all the podcasts that you normally listen to are right there. You don't have to do anything at all. The app does it for you. Now, the magical thing that happens is when you start listening on Fountain, these guys

knew, hey, almost nobody has Bitcoin. Only a few people have Bitcoin. So we're not going to expect that somebody has to then go out and buy Bitcoin and then load it into their fountain app and then start giving it away. Instead, what they do is every day for 60 minutes, if you listen to the fountain app, they give you the Satoshi's based on it. Satoshi is the smallest unit of a Bitcoin. So if you're listening for 10 minutes, it randomly changes. Sometimes it's one Satoshi a minute. Sometimes it's 10. Sometimes it's 40 Satoshi's a minute. So the more you listen, the more you compile a little pile of...

You're saying if I go on the Satoshi, not the Satoshi, the Fountain App, okay, and listen to Vance on there, I actually earn myself Satoshi so then I can give said Satoshi to whoever the heck I want to. Exactly, because what they're trying to do is to blow oxygen into this economy, and they know most people that are going to explore this don't have Bitcoin, and they don't know how the whole system works. So we could go further into this, but you don't even have to have Bitcoin to do it. They're going to give it to you. they're going to give it to you in a wallet that you don't even have to know how wallets work you can just say okay now i have a hundred sotoshes now i'm going to say for every minute i listen to the sean newman podcast i want to give him one sotoshi and so then it's giving you um that per minute that you're listening and you're making sotis as you're listening yeah so you can actually be making sotoshes off listening to shan and be giving me

like yeah sure one a minute or let's say and then be making four a minute on top of that and oh i didn't I didn't realize that. Yeah, I mean, it's the brilliant part about it because most people when they say, ah, Bitcoin, when am I ever going to use that? I don't know. I can't buy anything with it. Well, this is one of those times where you don't have to buy it, but you get to use it and you get to experience what would the world be like if we had a currency, like a way to send

money from one person to another with nobody standing in between the two of us. And what happens is you're able to do things that we previously, would have thought were impossible because I'm not going to load my visa card in and have it charge so much just to get you money. This is a different way to do it. Well, I mean, I know there's, I know there's like people out there that, well, I just think of like how much time I've listened to Joe Rogan, right? Like I just, and I, but at the same time, I'm not paying Joe anything, right? I'm just happy that I can listen to it and whatever else, right? And then when the Spotify pays him, you're like, all right, well, that's great. He's getting paid.

but can you imagine if Joe did the value for value and how many people would probably follow him wherever he went and use something like this? Like, to me, I'm glad we finally lined up a time to do this because I've been thinking about it, and I haven't really, you know, like, it's on my phone. I check it once in a while, but I, you know, I didn't know what the heck it is.

But the more you talk about it, I'm like, oh, so every time I listen to advance, I'm really doing you a disservice in a way. I mean, obviously, you want to have people listen no matter where they're tuning in from. But certainly you could be earning Vance a little bit of money, Satoshi, if you went through Fountain. And yourself, in return, you're going to earn by just using the app. Yeah, and there's all these other features on there. So let's say you get into it and you start using Bitcoin and you figure out, oh, hey, I've got a way to get a thousand Bitcoin into my wallet, or $10,000, we'll just say.

then you can start doing other things like if I want to comment on on somebody's show or on an episode I can say hey I'm going to give them 500 Satoshis for this comment and then if you're a person that's like putting out getting hundreds and hundreds of comments well you could just sort by who gave me the most Satoshes all right I'm going to just start answering based on you know who prioritized getting me to pay attention to their comment to interact with them this allows people to be like ah I love that I mean I mean, I did it the other day. I was like, oh, I just love this episode. I'm going to send 500 Satoshis to Sean because it's something funny too said, you know, and just that like, I hope you

guys see it and I hope you pay attention to it. So then there's this whole ecosystem and the greatest thing is it's such small payments. You know, it's, it's less than a penny oftentimes. And, but if you're talking about it being done over a lot of people, it starts to add up. Well, one of the things I was, I was actually thinking today because I've been I've been messing around with some different things right because I'm like I really don't like Patreon I have it I don't talk about it ever it's and somewhere it's like a program that's running in the back your brain and you're doing nothing with it it's probably doing me more of a disservice than anything and yet some people have found it have been you

know donating through there or sponsor it through there whatever we're calling I just I know long term if the more I try and use Patreon like I mean anyone who speaks openly let's say chances are they're not going to be on Patreon very long and so you uh this is how this whole conversation started and so then fountain came up and somebody said well try substack and one of the things I've struggled with with substack I mean I can speak openly and took like I was going to do it once a week and then you know I went a month without doing it's like I know this consistency thing except it's writing and I'm trying to find my way into writing. And I just come back to the lovely thing about Fountain is Sean's always going to be

consistent with the podcast. This is the hardest, easiest thing I do, right? Like, it's just like, it's a muscle. You go in, and as a listener, if you listen to everything I do, or majority of it, you know, you think about that, that's a lot of hours and minutes in a year. All of a sudden, if you put it through the Fountain app, which I assume is going to allow you to download on Wi-Fi and all the different things, so you don't write. run up your phone plan and everything else, then it's like, this might be a win-win for not only myself, but a lot of other creators. Yeah, it took me maybe two weeks of like sometimes I would check to see if it was on Apple podcast and then I'd go over to Fountain. And now, if I'm listening

to a podcast, it's on Fountain because everything's there. So I have the shows I subscribe to. So every time a new episode comes up, it puts it right in my stack. I feel something a little bit more tangible about my attention. Sometimes I put podcasts on and it just becomes background noise, but there's something to be said for putting an amount that says, hey, I want to pay 10 Satoshis a minute, right? That's not very much money. But if I find that I've like left my phone in the other room and I'm walking around

and doing other things or I'm not thinking about it, then it prompts me to be like, hey, am I paying attention to this or is this just noise? I'm going to turn this off for now. So it also kind of prompts you to have this better relationship with the attention. you're giving podcasts. And then I think the biggest benefit of it is, is that everyone should be doing something small to understand how Bitcoin works.

And this gives you a way to understand it without having to make some kind of large leap. You get to start seeing like, okay, what is the Satoshi all about? What is it worth? How does a wallet work? What's going on here? And this first step can get you over that hurdle.

And I think if there's any people in the, world that should be paying very close attention to Bitcoin. I've said it many times with you, it's Canadians because you watched what happens with your banks if they want to shut things down, and Bitcoin is going to give you freedom from the ability for banks to just be able to box you out of living in a modern economy. You get an interesting purview. You know, St. Louis isn't that far from Canada, but at the same time, it's not Canada. What do you, what do you, what do you when you look up north, what do you see in these days? You know, you listen to us, me and twos go back and forth on it each week.

To me, it's funny because people have always said, oh, look at what's going on in Europe, and then you're going to find out what's going on in the U.S. in 10 years. And what I see now is, look what's going on in Canada, and then you're going to see what's going on in the U.S. in two years. And everything that's happening up where you guys are at, all the craziness, the stuff that's just like, so absurd that you can barely wrap your mind around it.

Like a little while later, it happens down here. And it's actually funny. I was thinking about this the other day. When I met twos for the first time, I was kind of like, you know, looking at him squinty-eyed, like, I don't know who this guy is. And he's got all these like, you know, crazy things to say. One of the things I told him was like, hey, man,

on your, when you guys are doing the Tuesday mashup, you're acting so incredulous that crazy things are happening. in Canada, it seems almost unbelievable. But the more I listen to your show, the more I'm like, that really is actually unbelievable that someone would think they could get away with it. So to me, what's going on in Canada is crazy, but then also seems like a bellwether for the United States. And it's the land of make-believe at times, you know?

They're just like, there ain't a mashup that goes by where I'm just like, you know what? It was kind of a boring week in the news this cycle. No. Speaking of going on in the news cycle, did you see what happened in Chicago this last weekend? No. I don't. I didn't. And this is like a testament to how crazy the news is that people aren't paying attention to it.

Somebody pointed out to me last night I was looking it up, but it happened on Saturday where thousands of teenage kids came to downtown Chicago and they saw. started rioting and getting on top of cars and jumping on them. There's video of like a woman being chased by this mob and then the mob like yelling at her that she was a Karen and then they just took this like middle-aged woman and just beat her in the streets. And, and then you, they cut to the picture of the mayor, you know, Lori Lightfoot there and they're like, and she's just being like, well, you know, most of the people that came down there were peaceful. There were a few ruffians, but, you know, it was just people enjoying a nice spring day in Chicago.

and you're like, how is it possible that this is not front page news on every newspaper in the Western world that teenagers were like overrunning in mobs? But that's where we're at in society right now. What do you think of that? Like, I mean, I just, the media is letting us down every step of the way. It's not even funny. This isn't a thing that's stuck just in Canada. It's, it's, it's, It's like a plague right now where like everybody can see the insanity and they know we can see it and yet they won't talk about it I mean I think the media for the most part is the government right they are the part of the the the you know the whole system and you look at what went on with those Twitter files and you read some of the stuff that Matt Taibi uncovered and you just come to the conclusion like you are either so ideologically

by what you think is the righteous path that you've forgotten that the media used to be the watchdog of the government or they are actually co-opted. And in some ways, I think, like, they felt like when you read the Twitter files, like, I don't know how they decided that they were going to allow the government to read all of your DMs and to let the government tell them who they should and shouldn't let on and off the system. But Twitter is the only one we know about. All the rest of them, I'm certain all of these things are happening and it's just, you know, we haven't found out about it yet, but we will. One day it'll come out. Oh, it's, uh, I think, uh, for a lot of people, it was like, uh, oh, what's the word I'm looking

for here? I can't think of it right now. Like, vindicating, uh, you know, like, like, when the Twitter files came out and you started to see like, holy crap. Like, this is like, they're strong. straight on talking with all these different agencies. They're like these people, gone. Don't let them say these, God. But I mean right now, like you fast-forced where we're at right now, Vance. And Twitter, I was saying this to twos probably a month ago,

and I'll reiterate it again. Like Twitter, if you're not on it, is probably the funnest place in the planet right now. Every time I flip it on, there's just something going on where I'm like, I can't believe this, because like a year ago you had none of it. Like it was just people yelling at and then people get into platforms and everything else.

Now it's like, you know, the state funded media, and, you know, I'm going to pick on, CBC comes up, well, we're only funded by the government just under 70%. So then Elon Musk changes it to 69%, you know, funded by the government. I'm like, that is, like, who is this guy? And I don't people want to hate on Elon at times. But I'm like, that is brilliant. Like, I mean, I literally just did a show in Emmington

with a bunch of media people saying, like, at the start of our broadcast, they should say where the funding comes from. They will never do that. And then like a month later, here's Elon Musk on Twitter with 69% just like, and now CBC's going to, oh, we're all hurt and, you know,

and now Trudeau's talking about it. And, you know, and they're going to stop using Twitter and everything else. You're like, oh, boy, like, called out is what it is. That's it. Yeah, I mean, that has been hilarious. When I heard the CBC thing,

I remember I was working out in my basement when you and twos were talking about it. I just started laughing that like that is comical. But I will say this, it also shows that you have one person in control of that. And as long as Elon Musk does the things that we think are good and positive, then that's great. But you want to be very careful. I always want to be very careful not to trade in one dictator for another one.

And the fact that he's humorous, you know, those are people that can pull you into things. And in fact, I would actually challenge the thing you said about the most interesting, exciting places, Twitter, I actually think it is a place called Noster that is more interesting. So if we've already talked about Fountain, Noster is a social media. It's a place where people can go to use social media, but it is a protocol. So rather than it being an app, you know, Twitter is an app, Facebook is an app, YouTube, these are places that you go and that company controls. What do you see? how does it work? Well, Noster is actually a place where you can say, all right, I'm going to get on this protocol, this system, and I use the same public private key that I do for Bitcoin. So this is

like the address that says where I am, kind of my email address. And then the private key is saying, like, I confirm that I put this message out there. And instead of it being like a website, it is a way to post information that goes to all kinds of servers. They're called relays that anybody can get access to. So the way that I'm describing it right now is very confusing. It's just like the first time you ever heard the internet being described or email being described. And then they used an at sign and I didn't know what it was.

But this system is going to be not censorable and allow you to move, Bitcoin around the world much, much more clearly, much simpler. And so to me, the most interesting place where you're hearing people talk about things that are at the very edge, that is, that's Noster, not Twitter. So Noster as in like N-O-S-T-E-R? Close. N-O-S-T-R, right? These are like, and so the way that you get on N-Ster is that you can download different apps. You can use a thing called snort social or you can use the Domas app, so Noster Domas. You know, this is all just people creating it on their own. It's not independent companies. It's builders. But what they're trying to do is to become completely uncensurable. Because at this point right now, if Elon Musk decides to

boot you off, you're gone. In Noster, you can't do this. Like there's no one person that controls these things. And for me, particularly the more that I watched what happened in Canada, I think it is deeply important that everyone that can become uncensurable and that you understand how to use public private keys, things like Bitcoin that allow you to say, this is me and you know it's me because it has my special private signature. Yeah. Okay, I've wrote it down. But when a thing's called snort app, which I'm like, Sean's going to get confused somewhere in here, right? Like at this point folks I think we both know that I'm a little illiterate when it comes to to Bitcoin and it's funny because every time I talk to Vance every time I

talk to Ben anytime I talk to anyone off your side I'm like I try don't get stop dragging your feet and get moving so I tell you what I'm gonna do I'm gonna I got the fountain app already we're gonna start small we're gonna start nice and small we're gonna start listening a little Vance here which I already do but I just don't do it on the fountain app which now I'm like, well, that was stupid, you know, but hey, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll try it out. We'll see if we can get it working for, uh, where, where I'm throwing something your way, uh, because I mean, it might as well, right. I mean, I'm, I'm listening to it anyways.

I mean, I think this is the right path. And I think you and I should, uh, should try and do a thing where you first get on fountain. We learn what does the Satoshi feel like. How does this work? And then maybe one day we'll set up a wallet and, uh, and we'll, you know, we'll try and exchange some Bitcoin back and forth. Like, let's just take it step by step because I had to have somebody walk me down the path. And once you get to a certain point down the path, you're like, oh, I get it. But it's going to take everybody having somebody walk side by side with them to get there. But once you have this epiphany of like, oh, this is what's going on, it will fundamentally

change how you view the future. To me, the future is much more bright than what a lot of other people think. because I see a possibility, a way out of some of the chaos, by having this system available to us. No, it's independence. You can't control, right? Like one of the, you just see the slow, I don't know, stranglehold is what comes to mind.

But like the slow, they're just like putting us in something you can't get out of. And everybody can see the central bank, digital currency coming at some point. Heck, you know, like when it comes to physical cash, you know, like in the middle, of COVID and somebody should correct me on this I I might be wrong now maybe back at the oiler games they they allow it but I know the last oiler game I went to you couldn't use cash in the building and I was like oh boy that's just you know like that is going to be where we had at some point and you know I always related to trying to get a hotel room without a credit card I don't know about the United States but here in Canada it's like

impossible I can have like I got $500 I got my driver's license I got my health care you take it all. I got a picture of my credit card. I just don't have it with me. And no, sir, no. And I'm like, but I have everything. I'm like, you can charge me double. No, sir. No. And I'm like, fuck. Yeah, a hotel, right? You would think, hey, I just want a room. I just want a place to lay down my head. And they're like, nope, we need to be connected to your credit card. And this credit card is so much more your identity than your driver's license. You know, it's hard to even, it's hard to understate or overstate how important our civilization has made credit cards and its ability to create your identity. I was trying to find too, like, I forget where I saw it, but I was sent a video on a place out of Europe where they were going to start anything.

They weren't going to allow you to pay for anything over $1,000 in cash. and I forget the country I saw that so I was trying to look it up quick but of course Sean trying to split his brain into never works and when I saw that I was like oh man like you think about that that's like you could have $10,000

of cash you're not going to allow me to pay in cash like what business person doesn't want your money give me whatever you got I'll take it and this goes to like the weirdness that's gone on with both of our economies but the US in particular like the

government has printed in air quotes so much money that they don't even print the dollars anymore. Now it's just issuing debt and placing it as ones and zeros on a computer and they can do this infinitely. And so the way that they are going to pay off all this debt that they have, all these different obligations is that they're just going to go, oh, well, we just magically added another trillion dollars to the economy or two trillion dollars. And the things that are going on with the interest rates where they're trying to slow down inflation. Yeah, they're going to try and slow down inflation right up until the moment when the amount that they owe as interest on the debt that they have is so high that they have no choice but to flip on the printers again and pay off their debt with

money they've printed, which is only going to further lower the value of all of our money. And the only way out of this is to have a currency that cannot be printed away, can't be dominated by a government. And that's why I think Bitcoin. is so beautiful. And so for all the people that claim that it's pet rocks or, oh, it's, you know, it's, you know, not real, this is the one system we have where you could truly allow people to depend on that, you know, one Bitcoin equals one Bitcoin. You're not going to, you know, cut it in half by somebody doubling the amount that you're printing. I think this is like the most important innovation that's happened in the modern age. What do you think about when it

comes to a Bitcoin, right? Like how, who wrote the white paper? You know who I'm talking about? Yeah, Satoshi Nakamoto is what you're saying. Yeah. The fact that nobody knows who this is and it's kind of like mysterious. Does that all enerv you? Are you like, no, this is like how coders and people like this would work. They'd want it to remain anonymous so that they could just walk off to oblivion. I mean, it's a truly amazing thing. This is, this is something on par with like, uh, one of the seven wonders of the world because that person not only did they write this paper and I believe it's probably a collection of people not a lot of people but maybe a small group of people that they they wrote this system and then they published it and the the funny thing is the way

that Bitcoin works is you can see all of the code that is being run on these miners on these machines to make Bitcoin work so it's not like he's got some secret backdoor password that he can then go in and unlock all the Bitcoin because everybody can see all of the code that's there. And so this person, not only did they put out this white paper, start this system, they put a large amount of Bitcoin into a wallet, and then they walked away from it. And that wallet is worth billions of dollars. And whoever has the keys, the private key to move money from that wallet to something else, that'll be akin to a hand coming out of the...

thin air and writing on the wall or something. It would be just astounding. And one of the best things about this is that this makes it so nobody can come in and claim, I am Satoshi Nakamoto because you can be like, all right, well, all you got to do is just, you know, move one single Satoshi from that wallet to this one over here and we'll agree you are Satoshi, but they didn't. And so to me, this like, the ability for somebody to have created something have such access to unimaginable wealth and to have walked away with it is a testament to Bitcoin in it of itself. I do enjoy hearing when you get somebody passionate about Bitcoin because I'm just like,

you make me want to try and learn more advanced. And it's funny. You know, there's different people who have different thoughts on, you know, all these different cryptocurrencies and their thoughts on them and different things. But when it comes down to Bitcoin, you know, like it reminds me of when, you know, and obviously you're a fan of Steve Barber, what I've had Steve on and his thoughts and how he talks openly about Bitcoin and everything else, right? Like there's just, there's a whole bunch of us normals walking around going, yeah,

this Bitcoin thing, right? And it's like, Sean, at some point, that's probably one of two things is going to happen here, right? Because we know where the, like, I mean, you look at the banking system, you look at the debt, you look at all these different things. You're like, we're racing towards a cliff. are we not? It's what it feels like, right?

And Steve is giving up on trying to convert anybody, right? Like I sit there and try to be like, come on, Steve, get people going. And he's like, I, you know, they either like it or they don't. You know, I just thought of something. And this is, I want to issue it. Oh, I want to issue a challenge. I want to throw out a challenge. Summer's coming up, right?

So you're going to have your kids. They're going to go get summer jobs or you want them to do some kind of spring thing. I would say if you've got a kid that's seventh grade or older, you could probably do a little younger, but seventh grade or older, you should say, hey, I want you to set up a Bitcoin node and I will pay for whatever equipment you need, and when you get done, I'll give you X amount of dollars, right?

And then all you have to do is show me how it works. Now, a node is not a miner, so you aren't going to be able to get money from this. What a node is, is this is what allows you, you to put a transaction in. So if I want to send money to Sean, I have to go to a node and say, here's my private key, send that to Sean's public key. And right now, if you don't have your own node, you have to go to somebody else and ask them to do it for you. So there are services out there that do it. But if you had a node in your house, you wouldn't have to go to anybody. You would be able to send it anywhere you want and no one could stop you. And it's a really simple

system. You need a small computer called a Raspberry Pi, and you need a solid state drive, just this like, it's a little hard drive. It's like a USB thumb drive, only a little bit more sophisticated. If you have those two things plus an internet connection, you can create a node. And if you gave your child this as like, hey, I'll pay a hundred bucks if you can get this node set up, by the time your child is done with that, they will have received an education that will be deeply valuable, and they'll be able to teach you about Bitcoin in a way that you couldn't learn on your own, probably.

I bet you right now all I can hear is Dustin scrambling because his son Owen, my nephew, I'm sure would be like all over this. Anyways, I think it's an interesting little challenge. I think... If they do it, they can come on my podcast. The first person that has a kid that sets up a note, I'll have them on my podcast, we'll do an interview.

There you go, folks. There's the challenge. Okay. I like this. Like a little bit of pizzazz in the old show. You know, Vance goes to me, what do we talk about today? I'm like, I want to talk about this fountain app because I'm like, you told me to do it. I've been talking kind of, I butcher the name half the time.

Half the time I'm calling it fireside and somebody's like, they can't fight the fireside. And I don't know why I can't get it out. You know, and certainly I did not see it going here. But that's a cool challenge. All right. Somebody's got a kid. Let's, as soon as it's done, you just let me know. I'll hook you up with Vance.

That's an easy, easy, easy thing to do. So that would be super cool. Now, before I let you out of here, you know, we haven't gone that long, but, you know, I'm just watching time. One of the things I wanted to talk to you about was kind of a mental roadblocks. And one of the things, that's what I call it anyways. Me and you have been chatting back and forth. And I was just curious, you know, like on the podcast side of things,

it's the legacy interview side of things. you know, it just seemed like you had a breakthrough. And I was like, you got to talk to me about it. I'm curious because anytime Vance works through something, I'm like, hmm, I wonder what I can take out of that or what the listeners can. Well, I mean, for me, a lot of the way that I think about things comes from me saying them out loud. And I don't know if you feel this, but like I, the podcast is really valuable for me because you have to take your thoughts and put them into words and get them out there. And I think a lot of times when people call up a friend for advice, what they're really looking for is an excuse, right? They want somebody else to make the decision for them.

So that way they can be like, I did the thing you told me and it didn't work, right? And then you're kind of externalizing that like you could have made a decision, but you wanted somebody else to make that decision for you. So I try very, very hard not to do that. In fact, I try only to call for advice from somebody if I'm like, I need to know how you think about this. I want to know, like how you've resolved this. And a couple of, I don't know, it was like maybe a month and a half ago or two months ago, I was like, you know, legacy interviews, which is the service I offer, which is the opportunity for people to record their family history so that their future generations have an opportunity

to know it, right? So they have an opportunity to understand where did we come from? But I had not really been doing sales. All of my sales had come from the fact that people that listen to my podcast would be like, oh my gosh, they're offering this. I would love to do that. I'd love to do it for my parents or when I would go give talks. People like, hey, I met this guy.

He has this service. I want to do this. But as far as like being thoughtful about calling people up and having a conversation, I just didn't know how to do it. So I called you up and I was like, Sean, I'm like a little bit lost here. I'm feeling like kind of aimless. what should I do? And you were like, well, very first thing you do is call up your friends and tell them

what you're working on and see if they're interested in it. And I was like, that is so simple and so like obvious, but I would never have thought of it. And I did it. And it was like life changing. Like instantly, I had friends being like, oh, I'm so glad you called. Thank you. Yes.

I actually do have some ideas here. I've been meaning to give you a call where people being like, ah, I've been. meaning to have you do this for my parents. I just haven't gotten around to it. Or, oh, I've got a guy that you should really meet with. Or, hey, why don't you drive up to Des Moines? And I've got a group of people that you can share what you're doing with them and see what they think. And just this very small piece of advice that you gave me was so life-changing. I can barely even describe how much it's changed my business. And so I get through roadblocks by asking for advice. That's, um, That's cool.

Sometimes the answer is so simple, right? Like, I mean, you think it's going to be this complex, like, and then it's just not. It's just like, that's pretty simple, you know? I, uh, people will laugh about it. I never, I should have saved it. But when I first started the podcast, I took my phone, and I was sitting in a, uh, a Baker Hughes training, whatever. I was bored and I just finished listening to my first Joe Rogan podcast maybe on the way up to it. I can't remember.

And my, you know when you see something and your brain just won't settle down? It's like, oh my God, what have I just like, I just can't spit it up, right? So I'm sitting there and finally my brain's doing this. I'm trying to focus. I can't. So I start writing out notes. I'm like, oh, yeah, that'd be cool. So then I take this and I record.

I don't know like five different times trying to spit out my thoughts but I'm horrendous at it and anyways and then I just did exactly what I told you so this is this is where the I just asked your friends I had four guys in a book club I sent him this little voice note terrified they'd be like this a terrible idea please do not do this and instead what I got back was this is a great idea you should totally do it and I was like oh and I just needed that little push just a little push and out the door I went because when you're confident man it just seems like the world bends to your will almost, right? It's a crazy experience to have just that little breath of life in you and away you go. Oh, and like calling up your friends and telling them like, hey, I don't know how to do this,

but I thought of you. Then they have that like, well, let me think about this for a minute. You know, I had a guy that I talked to. He gave me some good advice. He was like really encouraging. We hung up the phone. He called me back five minutes later. He's like, I don't know what I was thinking. I'm getting a big group of people together in two weeks. It's a long drive for you, but you was want to come up and introduce it to them? And I was like, yeah. Now, there's no chance he would have thought of that had I not picked up the phone and called him and had a conversation. And so now, like, that's what I do. And I hope my friends call me. In fact, I hope my listeners call me. Because, you know, like, when you think, when you get into that synchronicity of people helping other

people and working on things and it's just life is more beautiful that way. I'm glad you brought up the listeners because they play a big part, at least for me, I assume for you as well because you brought them up. They play such a big part in the podcast. And I'm going to tell you why. So I, the phone number on this is connected to all these episodes. People can scroll down, text me whenever they want. They can yell at me.

They can call me. You know, sometimes I don't answer. But I mean, for the most part, I'm pretty accessible. And so, uh, it's funny. You know, I think this is, I don't know what this would be, Vance. It's over 400 anyway. It's over, it's close to 420 for something. Anyways, um, you know, every like 25 episodes, you know,

I'll do an episode and somebody will text me saying that that was the best episode you have ever done and I'm gonna say right now I can take credit for like 16% of those where I actually physically searched out somebody knew both them and went this is who I want on the rest of the time as of this week I guess it would be last week for for the listeners I had on a lady named Susanna who grew up in Czechoslovakia communist Czechoslovakia for the first 20th 27 years of her life and I just had somebody before I walked to the show say this is the best episode you have ever done and I just want to like

Say like everything she talked about was complete gold I was glued to the radio. It was so good And I'm like that's cool except it's a guy named George so George. So George I know you're listening he's in Calgary And he he goes he took me for coffee and then he and he's like you need to have some people on to explain these things and whatever and I'm like okay find me one And so he found me one. So I brought him on. And it turns out to be the best episode, at least for one person, that I've ever done. And so I look at the audience as like, I truly appreciate them being so interactive and guiding me where I go. Oh, man, I had my whole business.

The thing I'm doing now with my life came as a result of a listener wanting to drop a book off that they had liked. And then so like the story is that they were like, hey, I'd like to drop a book off. I think you're going to like it. I've been listening to the podcast. They had their son with them. And their son, when he heard my voice, like, his eyes get really big because he knows I'm the guy on the radio that he and dad listened to. So I was like, well, why don't we go downstairs?

If you like the podcast, why don't we record an episode with you? So I got this little six-year-old. I put the headphones on and we turn the lights and the cameras on. His little legs are dangling. And I ask him questions like, what do you think your dad does for a living? Who's your best friend? What do you wish mom cooked more of at home? And after we were done with the interview, I end up packaging it up and sending it to his dad.

Well, he plays it for him. They have a great time. A couple months later, the dad calls me up and says, hey, man, I was at a party the other night. We were playing a game. And a question came up, if your house were on fire and you could only grab one thing, what would you grab? He was like, I knew instantly it would be that interview you did with my son, because I can't

go back and get it again. He's like, I think this is important. I think you should follow up on this. So I go out to the listeners and I say, hey, anybody want me to introduce your parents or interview your children or parents before Christmas? I thought I was going to get one or two, two, maybe three. I got so many I couldn't get them all done. And that's when my whole life changed.

So because that listener wanted to do this and we had this interaction, you know, I'm sitting right here talking to you. Yeah, but I guess sitting on this side, that's an interesting little story. you know it's always interesting to hear i like to call them origin stories right like obviously so you know me being a little bit of a movie buff and and certainly liking my uh superheroes i like a good origin story but i also like like like when you look at that moment in time certainly the dad and the kid come but vance has to have an interest in noticing a six-year-old lights up when he hears the voice and so you want to come take a look over we could record something right

Like, I mean, maybe that happens 10 out of 10 times. I don't know. But I'm like, that's an interesting little moment in time, isn't it? You're the first person ever noticed that. Yeah, like, and normally when people hear a story, the part they focus on is the interview. But I like never even crossed my mind that that was, it just seemed like the right thing to do. But you're the first person that's heard that story to observe that. I hate to get too philosophical or I don't hate to get it but it's funny it's certain

conversations really bringing out but like that rate there to me is every day if you approach every day that way man life can be a lot of fun what I mean by that is is you don't know what little tiny interaction with one person will set you off in a different way this is the stupid draft now I shouldn't say stupid but it's a stupid drastic book but a drastic park book that I read with you and To me, it's just the linear, you know, it always comes back to this. I don't know why with you, it always comes back to it. But like, to me, if you approach life every day like that, like, I don't know who I'm

going to run into today. But if I really pay attention, be where my feet are, and pay attention to the little things, the little things can lead to like crazy opportunities. You just said one. Well, I can give you another example. I was in, I was doing a little sales call today. and I was just meeting with somebody. And we met with this woman that's in a full jogging outfit.

And she has these crazy wild shoes on. So I just, hey, those are interesting shoes. What made you choose those? She tells me all about her love of shoes and how this like informs her sense of fashion and design. And so we have this great conversation. And then the guy that's giving me a tour, we walk out and he goes, yeah, she owns the whole company.

I was like, what? He was like, yeah, that was really good interaction. She owns the whole, this whole thing. she owns it. And he was like, that was a really good engagement with her. That was a really good job. And you think like, that's exactly what happens. And this goes along with the thing. Sometimes people, like I've taught classes on how to be a better communicator. And the best thing that I can teach somebody is what I call the tiny choice game, tiny choices game, which is if you're talking to somebody and you're listening to them, you don't have to come up with a question. You just have to sit there and say, listen to what they're saying. saying, and they're going to add details into a story that seem like they shouldn't be there. If you took that detail out, you could tell the story and it would still make sense. But they have a detail in that story that matters. And if you ask them about that detail, or you observe that they're wearing earrings that are really flashy,

or you see that they've made a tiny choice in the way that they're carrying themselves, if you ask them about that thing, always the flower opens up. Then they have something like, because you've noticed something that they intentionally did that was important to them that everyone else just walks past thousands of times a day. And so if you can just pick up that one skill, it will open people up to you in a way that maybe they never have opened up to you before. And some of them are really obvious. Others, not so much.

And some, you know, but once again, I just come back to it. If you look at every, somewhere there's either a quote or scripture, there's something about, you know, like everybody has something of value to offer, right? And if you approach it with, like, you know, maybe it comes from this area, you know, like I come from a blue-collar working group of people who are really smart. And, you know, in the heydays of the oil patch, which I mean, I guess they're still kind of here. There's a lot of really wealthy guys and women who don't look at, you know, like they're not walking around in a Ferrari. And, well, because you can't in these roads and in this weather.

but like they they're pretty like humble people in my opinion and uh so you never know who you're going to bump into vans that uh you start a conversation and all of a sudden they actually run the entire thing and oh oh okay well okay sure i mean like life is filled with all these things that don't look important but that are very very rare and you know i more and more i think that rare things are are the most valuable right like we find these things that are really important and there aren't very many of them. But when you think about a human being, their experiences make them rare because there's nothing, there's no one else that had those experiences. There's nobody else that was raised that way. There was nobody else that

was, you know, had this thing pulling them this way and this vice pulling them that way. And so every individual is rare because every individual is, you can't replicate them somewhere. no matter how hard we're trying to clone things and everything else it's it's you know that's going to be an interesting world when they figured that one out isn't it man have you used chat gpt yet i have how have you used uh four or three point five which one have you used i don't know that's a good question i don't know do you pay for it don't pay for it if you pay for it you get access to four four is a wild ride how's how so Well, so the...

Wait, wait, wait. I assume everybody knows what this is, but let's start here, because it's funny, you brought this up on stage in Lloyd when you were here, and I remember being like, what is that? And like, the next day I went out and I was like engulfed in it. Anyways, maybe start there and then you can... So everybody's talking right now about artificial intelligence, and they had been for 20 years, but it never made any sense because you'd be like, how is a computer ever going to think like a human being? well, what they did at a company called OpenAI,

but there's a bunch of them out there, is they took these computers and they fed them training data. And that training data would be like, now we're just going to chuck the entire Encyclopedia Britannica in here. Now we're going to chuck every book that's ever been on Google in here. Now we're going to give it all this information that we've figured out about language and syntax from Google reads all these emails, right? You've put all these emails in there.

So they're like popping it. in here. So now they've given the computer the way to be able to interpret what you are writing when you type into it so that it can give you an answer back that is novel. It's taking like it's seeing the patterns between the words that you write and then it is processing that and it is giving you an answer based on probability for like what words should come back to you. There's nothing magical going on. The computer doesn't have consciousness. It is just using

probabilities of large numbers and having this huge amount of training data to answer questions. So this may be a little bit confusing, but let's make it more practical. If you say, I want to make chocolate chip cookies that are really soft, well, it is going to go out there and look at all the recipes that it can, find what is the same about them, and then give you the canonical chocolate chip cookie recipe, and then it could also give you the directions for how to make those cookies properly. So GPT3, or 3.5, is very much, it's very quick, and it worked off of a much smaller training data size. So I would make the comparison between a garden hose and a water main.

When you get to GPT4, their training data was way larger. So the probabilities that it can come up with and the way that it can address questions is a lot more complicated. So you can go to either one you could do this with, but with GPT, you could go to it and you could say, you are an expert email writer. I want to write an email to my mother that expresses these three things that I want her to know about. And then also find a way to tell her this thing that is a sensitive subject in a nice way. And then you hit enter and it will write a five or seven paragraph email as though it were you know, you. writing to her.

You could also give it a bunch of information, like, you know, details about something that's going on. So you could say, I want you to write a news article about a mayor in this town. The mayor is named this. The sheriff is named this. This is what occurred in the town.

And I want you to write up a news article that's 500 words long and include quotes from both the mayor and the sheriff. Then it'll do that. It'll be about five seconds. when when when when you were messing around with it because i assume you've messed with four a lot yeah what was what was one of the uh moments you're like holy schnikes well so the other day in my hometown of eureka illinois there was a story in the newspaper about um a a cat named kiki that was at a salon that for some reason animal control came in took the cat and euthanized it so this

was like a big outrageous thing going on in my hometown. I don't know why that's funny. No, I mean, I was kind of laughing about it too, right? Because I was like, what's going on in Eureka? And I'm on this family text chain, right? And so I take this thing and nobody's really paying attention or jumping in on this joke. It's Sunday morning or Saturday morning. And so what I do is I say, okay, chat, GPT, here's this article about this cat and, you know, what happened. Now, I want you to write me the back of a book cover about a woman named Grandmother Marge, my mom's name is Marge, who is on the local library board of directors and write it as a mystery novel thriller about how this woman that's on the board of the library uncovers this mystery about

Kiki the cat and it, you know, unveils all the inner workings of this sorted problem happening in this small town. And so it, it, does. Comes up with this story. Then I go through and I give it names of people like Jeremy LaCash, local retirement, you know, care owner and, you know, Mrs. Rainey, the teacher, write quotes about why this book is so enthralling. It did that.

Now, write another thing that describes the whole series of Mother Marge mysteries and it does that. And then I just start posting it to my family. And it looks like I've spent, you know, four days writing up this hilarious, um, commentary that you'd find in the onion for my family and it was just a matter of like you know five minutes of writing so you think this changes like journalism book writing uh i don't know uh like where like where does it start and end so the journalism book writing all that yes you know the those are that is obvious the ones that i think it's going to crush is uh lawyers

and accountants. A lawyer example would be like, all right, let's imagine you've got a storage facility and you're charging $750 rent and the guy quits paying your storage fees. And so he now owes you $750. In order to get that from him,

you wrote him a letter that was really angry, but he doesn't do anything. So now you want to go get an attorney. If that attorney spends two and a half hours or two hours on this thing, and you're now paying him more than the rent is worth. But if you go to Google and you say, how do I do this? You may get some answers back.

You may get like an automated service. But if you go to chat, GPT, and you say, I am living in the state of Missouri, this is, you know, what happened. These are the details of it. Give me the law as best you can. Then it'll do that. And then you can say, all right, now write me a letter that threatens him with the lawsuit. Now, write me the file that I would need to go down to the county court to, you know, file

this injunction against him, and it just does that whole thing for you having spent about 20 minutes on it and you have not had to pay an attorney's fee and you can now execute the law. You could also do it with accountant stuff. When my wife and I were doing our taxes, I had some weird issue that I had been traveling through Idaho or when I was going to give a talk and I spent some money, how do we expense this? You just type it into GPT chat and gave us an answer. And it was correct. So you are bullish on chat, GPT. Yeah, I'm bullish on the fact that this is going to be fully integrated into our lives to the degree that we will not be able to distinguish when it is not being used.

If you were to be typing back and forth with this thing, most people, unless they know what they're looking for, could not distinguish between a real person writing these things and the computer. So you think that's, let's just stick for journalism for a second. Writing articles about what happened and things like that. Although extremely useful, because, I mean, at least you can get the story out, you still need the human being to go witness said things and try and distinguish what is wrong and right. Yes?

There's certainly a place for it, you know, for humans. Like, I'm not, like, but the number of people that are doing bullshit jobs right now or jobs, that are just about volume with virtually no creativity, that's gone. The more scary dystopian future is the fact that you will now, a government with access to this, like right now, if I use chat GPT, it's got guardrails on it. You can't incite violence. You can't use, you know, anything to do with sexuality. You can't do anything negative against children, you know, like you can't plot something.

It'll stop you from doing these things. You can trick it and sometimes get around those guardrails. But now imagine you're a government. and you have unfettered access to this, and it will write whatever you want, and you have as much computing power as you want. If you were to try and create a propaganda machine right now, with, you know, or, you know, five years ago, let's say you took a skyscraper of a building, and on every single floor, you took Ivy League level writers, and you told them, we are going to crank out news stories and just put them in every newspaper in America, or try and flood them

into Facebook, you'd have to make sure there were bathrooms, you'd have to feed these people, you'd have to make sure they were creatively, you know, inspired if they wanted to change direction, you'd have to instruct them to move. Now, that's all gone. Now you can have just a few people typing in prompts, and you could have GPT chat take training data of a bunch of different Facebook groups, and then you could say, I want you to write posts as though you are a commenter on this that starts to subtly input ideas into this Facebook group. And I want you to do it based on exactly what you know is important to them, who their heroes are, how they write things. You could do propaganda that is so specialized, so tailored to specific groups that it would be

impossible to resist. You wouldn't, groups of people could not possibly overcome the amount of propaganda that can be thrown at them. Hmm. Well, that's a, that's a lovely thought, isn't it? It's like at this point, you know. We should be creating laws that our government can't use that. That, that, when they start talking about whether or not people can use it or whatever, you should not be able to, uh, you, like the, our, our, our spy agencies, our, um, justice agencies, any of these things, they should not, that we should be limiting what they're using and we should have complete and total unfettered access to knowing when they are using. it. Well, that's one thing to sit and chew on. Vance had to, and, you know, leave me on a thought of like, so we're going to slide to the crude master final question. Oh, man. I mean, we can go positive. There are positive things about this. Well, I understand there's lots of positive, but you just gave me a dystopian view, and I'm like, that's uncomfortable. We're going to slide into the crude master

final question, because I know we got a little time constraints today, folks. That's why. And so Normally I'd ask one question, but today I'm going to slide into the podcast side of it, because I'm curious who you've recently had on or who you have on coming up, that you're excited about, you think people should know. Yeah, I'd really be curious if people are going to slide onto the Fountain app and listen to Vance Crow, who do you think they should tune into? who do you have coming up that you think would be worthwhile? I mean, besides all of them.

So the one that we just released today with Isaac Amon is a Jewish guy that we read some science fiction books together. He has a fascinating view. But the one that I am really excited about is a guy by the name of Jerry Kasad. And Jerry is an expert in the Wim Hof breathing method. Gotcha. And he and I sit here. and do the Wimhoff breathing, and it was a euphoric experience. And then we go on to talk about how closely aligned Wimhoff breathing is with Sufism.

And it turns out he is actually a practicing whirling dervish, so one of those people that is Muslim that does the spinning. And he has all these incredible and profound thoughts about silence and love and connection. And I was not anticipating it at all. I thought Jerry was just a tech investor. He's incredibly successful. He has made millions and millions of dollars. But now I understand the way that he's done this is he knows how to calm his mind in a way that few other people do.

So next Wednesday, we're going to have this episode come out. And it is one of the most proud. I'm more proud of this episode than almost any other episode I've ever put out. And I had almost, just like you said, almost no control over it. He took over and he just ran. So I was just a bystander for it. But it's an excellent interview. Well, I tell you what, there you go, folks.

That sounds fascinating. The Wim Hof thing is interesting in itself. So anytime Vance says go tune in something, I think most people are going to jump at the chance. Either way, sir, I'll let you get out of here. I appreciate you giving me some time today. And I don't know, I don't know where we cross paths again, but I'm sure it won't be that far down the road. Hey? Well, thanks, brother, for having me on.

This has been awesome. Yeah, you bet you. Till next time, sir. All right, folks, that's Vance Crowe on the show today. And here we got our lovely little, you know, this changed. I was saying to Vance before we started today. You know, I'm like, ah, it's a little different format today. I'm going to kick you out, and we're going to chat about Cal Rock Industries.

So Cal Rock Industries hopped on as a sponsor of the show. So today's episode brought to you by Cal Rock Industries. If you're in the oil field here around the Lloyd Minster area, use surplus frack sales and production tanks just go to calrock dot caa that's c a l c a l holy man sean c a l r o c a c a dot c a r o c a d't see a do i confuse that for you anyways all their information is there they got new and used uh oil field equipment and uh would love to uh have you call in and uh see what they're working with and how they can help you either way thanks for tuning in today that's uh vans crow you know me and vans have had multiple chats here uh across

you know the last couple years from a a random you know text on twitter to where it's at now where he's come to lloyd and done a show and i've been to st louis and uh and recorded there as well so it's been it's been a fun little uh relationship that's kind of grown over time so if you like today's show please share uh subscribe like all that good stuff uh or just text the phone love here and where you guys are listening in it's you're listening to you're into from. We just had this past week when I started saying such things at the end of the show, a lady from Ottawa had reached out and another lady from southern Alberta. I'm forgetting the name, Sean. Oh, terrible. Regardless, if you're enjoying the show wherever you're at, shoot me

a text. Love to hear where you're listening from. I always think it's cool to hear where everyone's tuning in from. Either way, we will catch up to you here again on the next. episode either way I don't know either way either way Sean's getting better at this new at this it's it's awkward to have not awkward it's kind of strange you know like you do the entire episode and then you kick somebody into the waiting room and then you're sitting here talking yourself anyways welcome to podcasting folks thanks for tuning in we will catch up to you on the next one