Shaun Newman Podcast - #419 - Dr. Laura Braden

Episode Date: April 26, 2023

Molecular biologist who lives in PEI. We discuss the National Citizens Inquiry & covid on a island. National Citizens Inquiry https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Let me know what you thinkText me 587-217-8500

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Here we go. This is Dr. Laura Marie Braden, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Dr. Laura Braden. So first off, thanks for hopping on the podcast. Well, thanks for inviting me. I'm so excited to be here. You know, we're swapping three-year-old stories.

I got to share this before we get rolling into anything too serious and everything else. So yesterday, my wife and I both fall asleep on the couch. and a three-year-old and a five-year-old are playing together. The seven-year-old is outside. This is never, it's quiet. You're like, oh, and you just, and you go out for like a 20-minute nap. You wake up. And they got into mom's lipstick makeup, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

All over the mirror. Like, I mean all over it, all over the toilet seat. They took like, I didn't even know what it was. Was it facial scrubs? I didn't even know we had that much facial scrub there, all over the hardwood floor. then they took her eye shadow and things into the carpet they painted on the wall they used her makeup brush to just like rub it and like now i can laugh about it like years later kacy amelia if you ever listened to this i had to have like a moment of like just just go outside just go outside

yeah like no you can get in your room okay now now dad's gonna spend two hours cleaning up you know and you anyways that's my three-year-old story i was not no no no you can get in your room okay now now dad's gonna spend two hours cleaning up you know And anyways, that's my three-year-old story. No, now's for you. Oh, mine likes to eat my lipstick. So, I mean, and mascara, she'll go in there and eat it. Yeah, she's, yeah. I think I've taken that right now.

After you spent the, you know, trying to get it out of the carpet, you're like, oh, that's a stain. Like that, I don't know if that's ever coming out ever again. You know, in time, I will laugh about that stain. But right now, I'm like, go back to eating the lipstick. Could you just go back to eating it at least then? I'm like, I don't know what that's doing for you. You got some budding artists, though, Sean. So maybe this is where they're debut.

Laura, for people who don't know who you are, let's start there. Long, short, as you want to go, and we'll start from there. All right. Well, I'm a mother, obviously. My husband is a lobster fisherman. We live in PEI. Actually, the season is about to get rolling.

We're really excited about that. And I can send you some lobster. the mail if you really want. We can hook you up. And my background is, I'm a molecular biologist, so I have like so many ridiculous numbers of years in the education system. So I started, I'm actually from British Columbia and I was recruited to come out east. Majority of my life was spent on Vancouver Island. That's where I got my doctorate in immunology and big science nerd. Like I actually thought maybe I can go to school forever. That didn't work out.

I tried really hard. And then, yeah, what was big in, you know, I'm fly fisherman. I'm big outdoors enthusiast and miss the mountains dearly. You're in Alberta, so you're right? I'm right on the border. I can spit and hit Saskatchewan, but I'm standing in Alberta. Little ways away from the mountains. Right.

Yeah, I miss them. But anyways, PEI is gorgeous. I'm an islander now for life. Where are you originally from? Pemberton. Oh. Shout out to Pemberton. So that's, yeah, so you might know, you know where that is.

It's a little North Whistler. I grew up skiing. Like, I was skiing at like one and a half or two years old. So you went from the mountains to the tiniest island in, well, not in Canada. Obviously, there's smaller islands, folks. But if you've ever been to P.I, A, it's gorgeous. Two, you can like literally walk across it in a day, right? Like, I mean, it's tiny.

Yeah, very, very small. Yeah. Sandbar. Totally different. And you enjoy it. I do. I love it here. I love it here. I'm looking out at the ocean right now as we speak. It's not too bad. That's not too bad. That's not too shabby then. Yeah. I mean it's different. When you talk about lobster season about to get started, you got to kind of paint me a picture

here because I'm going like, yeah. I know what farming, like you know, I know when the cattle come in for cattlemen or or you know like calving or seeding, you get the point, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, oh yeah, I get that. Lobster season I do not get. I don't even know where to where to begin. So like what happens? All right. So there's a few different lobster seasons in the Maritimes. There's the spring season, which we're about to get into. And then there's the fall season.

And the reason that they let, they take off the summer because that's when there's reproduction happening with the lobster populations. And then in southwest Nova Scotia, it's sort of like all winter. So in PEI, there's two seasons and you have a license for each season. So you're not supposed to have a license for both. all owner-operated, which is beautiful out here. So you think about like salmon fishing and the big industry is out in BC where they're operated by and owned by major corporations. Well, out here, it's owner-operated. The money stays in the community. There's captains. It's like the most

quintessential thing you've ever thought. When you think of, you know, Eastern Canada, literally the captains have their cork, which is generally their wife or their son that helps them and their cork is their second man, second man. And then they own the boats. So now all the boats are going for the winter. Generally they come out. Well, they have to because the ocean freezes here. So they're all back in the water and they're getting all their traps ready.

So there's 300 traps per license. So every day when they go out, they check every single trap and they set it back out. It's a lot. It's insane. So are they like, is this like a typical work day? They get up at six. They go out, they hop on the boat, they go check their traps. their home by six in separate. No, no, no, no. My husband's up at 3.30 in the morning. Um,

and he's out there. And, oh, yeah, it's insane. And then they, they check all their traps. And as they go, like, some people will just set them back where, you know, they like their spots. But, um, my husband, um, will look at the catches and look at numbers and move his entire fleet sometimes in a day. He'll move every single trap. And that's a long day. So then they come back at like five o'clock in the afternoon. That's a long, long days. Um, but the catches out here. So North Lake PEI is where is where he fishes out of. And generally, the PEI fishery is doing phenomenal. One thing to note, Sean, is that it's all, like, the conservation efforts are all driven by fishermen. So DFO doesn't say, you know, you have to do this,

this and this. They look at ways to improve the fishery. And over the last few years, the numbers have been going crazy up. So it's really, it's doing well. It's sustainable. And yeah, it's getting getting ready for another season starts on Saturday. So they set, it's the setting day, they set all their traps, and then there's nine weeks. That's it. So they fish for nine weeks, and at the end of June is landing day. And we eat well for nine weeks. Nine weeks every single day, seven days a week?

Not Sundays. Not Sundays. Not yet. Sometimes, yeah, there's no Sunday fishing. It's very, and also every license is associated with a piece of water. So like they look at like latitude lines. I'm probably saying this wrong. He'll get mad at me anyways.

He'll listen to this and be like, oh my God, she's not paying attention. But so, you know, we have a license from this line on the shore, which is like Jimmy, I don't know, whatever it is, to this line on the shore. And they self-policed this. And this has been the way since the beginning. So you can't just go fish wherever you want. There's a certain area that you have your stretch of water that you get to. That's right.

You know, in happier times, when ever, you know, like, Sean's got some big ideas. And one of these days, not today, folks, but in the future, I'm just going to load the family up. I'm going to make a cross-Canada journey. We're going to make it a P.E.I. We're going to interview your husband instead. I'm going to learn. He's going to take me on the, he's going to yell at me for a day. And Sean's just going to come enjoy it because I'm like, this is so out of my country.

Like, wouldn't it just be fun to talk to a fisherman and learn some things instead of like, well what are we going to talk about today well we're probably going to talk about COVID and how it's pretty much fucked over all of Canada for the last three years and continues and everything else and you're just like it's simpler times Sean simpler times it's it's kind of nice to it's kind of nice to you know talk about something I have no idea about that I think yeah some people are drawn to the water I've heard that and I'm like like I want to get over my phobia of it because I'm like I get on the waves and I'm just like well so that's

The other thing. So PEI, the fishery, like Nova Scotia, they go out deep, deep, deep, right? Here, you know, on average, they're setting traps. They can see the bottom. Oh. They're going out to 50, maybe 100 feet. This sounds like Sean's, yeah, this sounds like Sean's type of game, you know. Here's an official invitation. The last time I was on PEI, last time I was on P.E.I was 2006, and we were, we biked across it in a date. Wow, we didn't bike it. We stayed at the, the, um, Van, I can't even remember.

It was the purple motorcycle, the purple bike? What was it, dust? I can't think of it right now. Anyways, we stayed at the bed and breakfast there. Guy had a Model T, drove us into whatever town it was. I can't remember. It was unreal. We stayed at this bed and breakfast.

It was the purple something or other. No, it was the rainbow bed and breakfast. That's what it was. The purple something, nobody was there. Anyways, Rainbow Bed and Barrier. And we biked across P.I. And what would be, like, under a day. Like, I was just like, this is P.I.

And we were through. It was actually pretty nice because, you know, when we'd started biking. Newfoundland and essentially we we were like across three provinces in like the course of like a week and a half and then of course you get to Ontario and I think we spent like 30 days there like just never ended anyways my my memories of PEI are we weren't allowed to bike across the Confederation Bridge because of how windy it gets or how they were like and I'm like oh well I don't want to blow off the side and into the water

sure load me up anyways that's my memories of PEI but Me in the water, the ocean, like I'm in the middle of the prairies. I'm a prairie boy. I like the solid ground under my feet. And every time I've been around the ocean, like the waves just, I'm just like, nah, I don't know. You know? Well, we can try and change of that. If you come at the end of the summer, then you can get out and see if you can snag a big

giant bluefin tuna and catch a thousand pound fish and really change. A thousand pound fish? A thousand pound fish, yeah. Have you done that? The biggest tuna, I have. I'll send you a picture later. That sounds like a plan. Yeah.

You have a, like, I love, love seafood. I can't imagine your diet is just like, this is the greatest thing ever. We eat well. We eat well. You probably miss a little Alberta beef, but other than that. Well, there's some pretty good beef here, too. Is it Alberta beef? No, it's not. I mean, you don't have to rub it in.

No, it's not. It's not. Here's a deal. You send me some beef and I'll send you some lobster. Ooh. It's a little barter. That's the new age. I tell you what, that sounds like a plan.

I can handle that. There's going to be people just ramming me with messages after they hear that. They're like, we'll send. We got some meat to send down that way. I can sit here and talk about this all day long, folks. We got the National Citizens Inquiry going on right now. You've been paying attention to it. Can you explain?

You know, I feel like I've done a bit of a disservice, Laura. I'm going to be honest. The National Citizens Inquiry has been going on now, and they've met they've had tons of testimonies some of it is like in my opinion not hard to watch but like pretty gut-wrenching stuff you know and you're the first person I've had on to even mention it which I'm like I just figure people know about it and watching it which is stupid of Sean and people have been hammering me to like you need to get somebody on you need to get somebody on so let's talk about it and and please you know bring us up to speed

awesome yeah it's it's pretty amazing um it started off in Truro. So basically, the National Citizens Inquiry is a citizen-led, citizen-driven, and citizen-paid-for inquiry into the last three years and how the government mandates and policies have impacted Canadians and is really just an opportunity to derive historical context. Like we're seeing things happen where they're almost trying to erase the three years, right? And somehow gaslight Canada into forgetting what has happened. And what has happened? Every single Canadian, I would argue, has been harmed in one way or another.

Maybe they don't know it. Their lives have been changed. And some people have really had some bad things happen to them. And they haven't had an opportunity to share their story or tell their truths in a safe space. and lots of people want to just tell their story. And so that's what really this is. It's about shedding light on the truth of what's happening. So it started off in Truro, that was the first location of the first hearings,

and it went for three days, March 16th to the 18th. And there's testimony from lay people, like citizens, regular people, just telling the story about what has happened to them, how mandates impacted them. And then there's expert testimony from doctors, scientists, experts in certain professional fields that have some pretty interesting perspectives. For example, in Truro, we heard from ER doctors to two ER doctors. We heard from a vascular surgeon who's talking about, you know,

their real experience with what has happened. We heard from somebody, this is an interesting one, John. And everybody, by the way, all of these testimonies are online. They're streamed live the day of, but then they're saved. They're on the Rumble Channel, and we're trying to get clips. There's a lot, right? So we're trying to clip testimonies and things. And for the listener, what I'll do is I'll post two links in the show notes.

The National Citizens Inquiry.ca, that's going to be your landing pad for everything. And then I'll post the, I'll put in the show notes the Rumble channel as well so they can go directly there and see through all the different videos and everything else. That's, I mean, I literally watched Anne McCormick. I feel terrible, Anne, because I know exactly, like, we talk, and I watched your testimony in Saskatoon, and she said things in there. I had no idea about it. She's a neighbor, you know, like not, she doesn't live next door, but I think everybody

kind of gets it in this part of the world. I consider her a neighbor. I see her a different, and listen to the story, I'm going, Oh my God. Oh, this is, anyways, I feel terrible. It's, yeah, it's just, it's eye-opening. Anyways, sorry, you cut in. Yeah, no worries.

Yeah, we heard one example of Lady Linda, who used to work for the Nova Scotia Health Authority, and she talked about how, and she was the one dispensing the results of COVID tests to people, and she was the one who had all the data, and the numbers that she had were not the numbers that the news was printing. There was evidence of, massive fraud. We heard that, you know, that's just one example of how the, what has happened

hasn't been told in, in its truth. There's been huge amount of deceit. So that was this one. And then there's lots of vaccine injuries and they're just, they're just gut-drich. You know, you hear people who did their part, they went and they got their injections and they, you know, they had to do it for their kids or to stay in school or whatever it is. And then they get an injury and then the medical institution just chucks them out on their ass like oh sorry we're not your number one you're going to get gaslit because it all in your head no no it's not for real it's all in your head and then when you need to get extra tests or you need extra help you're treated like complete garbage and that part is just it's really mind-boggling yeah mind-boggling i um i have testified on

the 20 on the 18th as an expert witness um because of my experience in molecular biology and immunology. Really, Sean, the number of professionals in my field out here, out in Eastern Canada, who there's nobody other than me in my field. Nobody's speaking out. Nobody has any questions, which is kind of shocking. But I stepped up and I said, you know what? I'm going to tell that on the world stage. I've lost my career over it. And, you know, people need to know that they're not wrong. There's things that there weren't wrong about at the beginning and they're still not wrong about and the data continues to accumulate on how they're not wrong. So yeah, it was a my, it was a transformative experience because being in the same room, so there's an, you can go.

So people going, I guess, Red Deer by the time this is published. Yeah, it's come up Wednesday morning, so you got Red Deer April 26th to 28th. So you can go there, sit there, it's free. You can listen to the testimonies live and be part of history. Like, so what's happening is every testimony is lawyer led. And then there's a panel of commissioners that are, they have been picked. There's four or five commissioners that are picked from across Canada that are professionals in certain fields, like there's engineers and there's lawyers and there's doctors. And, you know, they are hearing this testimony. And the idea is for them to accumulate all this testimony across Canada, generate a report for what went wrong and what

we need to do better and really an account of the historical account of what's happened. So it's super professional, well done, you know, yeah, anybody who's been there can attest to that that it's pretty cool. It's way better than the POAC. The idea is, though, like, you know, it's hard because how do you not get by, how are you not biased, right? Because the summons have been put out to all the government officials who have been involved in one way or another to join. Of course, they're not going to show up. Of course. So we're only hearing one side of the story about. It's, you know, as you put it that way, when I first started emailing, and I'm forgetting, I apologize to the guy that I was emailing, I got sent some somebody's contacts.

So you should reach out to this guy because you should really get somebody on and I've already jumped on the grenade that I haven't been talking about this and Sean's done a disservice because, of course, it was in Saskatoon, now it's in Red Deer. And as I listening to talk, I'm like, I should probably try and make it to Red Deer, right? Like I should, as I hear you talk about that, I'm like, I should probably, you know, some of this is just like, you know, I just think. back to Adam Conrad. Adam Conrad, and, you know, actually, while I'm sitting here, I'm going to look it up. Because Adam Conrad was a fishing guide in, in Saskatchewan. And he came on and talked, give me a sec, folks here, and I'll pull it up. Because like, early on, how long ago was this, Conrad?

Adam Conrad was January 24th, 2022. That was before we went. That was right before. Anyways, his father had, his father. had died from the vaccine. He had, he had, how many times?

He'd been rushed to the ER in Saskatoon, I think, and they had to, like, defibulate him, had to end up doing surgery on them, all these different things. And he was, he was this healthy young guy.

Like, geez, he looked like he was a, you know, him and his, run a fishing guide operation. Like, he was a fit man. Anyways.

And so, like, I just take it for, that people have listened to a bunch of what you're talking about and saying that. It's like to have it open on air going across Canada for names that maybe some people, you know, I bring up Ann McCormick from our area for her to talk about some of the things that she witnessed and everything else. You know, you wonder how many people are finding their voice and are finding their way to the

National Citizens Inquiry to share their piece about it. And we shouldn't, we should all be paying attention instead of a soon. that it's all been said before, I guess is what I'm trying to spit out. Yeah. And it's, it's all, it's almost, when you put a face and a person telling their story, it humanizes it, right? Like, there's been all these stories we've been hearing. And it almost becomes so repetitive because, and then you almost become numb to it.

But when there's a person with their face and they're telling their story and you can see how vulnerable they are and, and, you know, there's tears and there's emotion and there's anger. And it just makes it so much more real, Sean. And especially if you're there in person, I would highly, you got to go. Like if you're close, you've got to go. Yeah. It was, you can't. Everybody has changed.

And you can't argue against that. Everybody has changed who goes and watches it and who has been listening. And to that point about these stories, you know, there's, you can apply to be a witness. That's an, this is an important piece. So people can go on the website, national. Citizensinquiry.ca and you can you can apply to be a witness either an expert witness or a lay witness um and i mean they're just getting they're getting so many applicants so you know they've been trying to balance it with certain stories and everything like that um if you want to tell your story and you

don't have the time to do an interview or you can't make it to the next upcoming interview or testimony you can submit a short video and this is a new thing that they're that they're actually just starting because there's a lot of people and I'm just going to open the the message from the organizers there's a lot of people saying oh and they're seeing it now and they're like wait I have an amazing story and I want to tell it and I want my voice heard so there's a way to do that or or I bet or I bet there's a bunch of people watching going why isn't and I'll pick on bill because I don't know who bill is but you get the point bill you need to go tell you start no no it it doesn't know it probably doesn't need it because I know a ton of people that are humble and

obviously this is a weird context to humble they don't want to talk about their life even if it is like really really bad what's happened to them right some people do not want the spotlight and so there will be friends looking at them going you need to tell this like I don't know how many guests have come to me through friends of a friend saying can you reach out to this person and talk to them because they have a story that needs to be told and nobody will listen and they've you know and they've almost become like depressed by that they're like nobody believes me anyways You know, it's, we've been talking about this. So I'm derailing this a little bit.

So if you have a story, maybe what, is there a specific link, Laura, before I'll move? Yes, there is. So I'm just reading the message from one of the organizers. Can you send that to me? And what I'll do is I'll put that in the show notes as well, because that way they can just click on it and you can share. Yeah, yeah. One of the things that I think I'm starting to notice, and I hope I can see. this right is there's there's different people that have stood up now we'll use

Francis Christian as an example in in Saskatchewan I don't know what type of support he got right at the start but he him and like Byram and dr. Byron Bradalettus and Charles Hoff and these different names that I think a lot of us know who they are we're kind of like the pinnacle of like I think they got a lot of support I could be wrong on that and they may be like John we didn't get lots of support I know they got lots of hate too but then there's a whole later of people under them that are holding the line, so to speak, that are being attacked viciously by their, and they think they're alone.

And those people need to be propped up as much as anyone else, maybe more so, because they and something like the Citizens Inquiry could probably do that for them, honestly. Yes, absolutely. I'm just kind of like trying to piece the two together. Hopefully that came out the right way. No, it totally does. And that's it, because one of the things, you know, as this has started, And by the way, please, all your listeners, go sign the petition.

It's on the website. This is, the critical mass that's accumulating since it started in March is sort of, it's, it's so, it just brings me so much hope, right? Because people are starting to pay attention. People are starting to pick it up. The experts that have said, I want to be a part of this. Like we had Jay Betacharya on. We've had, you know, Steve Kurt. We've had massive names come on and be like, this is important what's happening in Canada.

And this is the boiling plate here, folks. It's just like the trucker's convoy. They're going to do this in other countries. You know what's going to happen. Look at their seeing citizens stand up and want to tell their stories and support. And you know what? We don't want any government interference. We'll fund this ourselves.

This is all funded by the individuals given five bucks if they can or whatever. Right. That's how this is working. And so as it started, it started to snowball. And as people in the prospective fields, whether you're a doctor, whether you're a lawyer, whether you're an bomber, scientists, you're seeing your colleagues stand up and take that extra leap of faith and, you know what, career be damned. This is important information to share.

That's going to just infect them with courage. It's the contagion of truth that you can't hide. That's the part about this that I love the most. Because we've just been the number of volunteers, the people behind the scenes and the IT, probably the guy you spoke to, all volunteers, they've just come together and some of the finest Canadians I've ever met are on this team. And, you know, how does that just organically come together and make this thing happen? Everybody has, every day is a learning curve. Nobody knows what they're doing.

We're just trying to, you know, it's just so funny because it's just a bunch of laymen. Yes, a bunch of laymen making this. And it's historical never before have Canadians done this and driven this on their own. anyways yeah you you said something there that I've been trying to formulate my thoughts around now for a little bit and that is how infectious courage is and um I think of V for vendetta and maybe people laugh at me for that but but at the end of the movie they all show up in V's costume right and then they all pull off their mask and whatever and it reminds me of uh the like dust and my brother was actually saying this like I was against going to Ottawa I don't mean that

truckers going on to me myself like I was like nah I'm not I can't go I was saying anyways and then I showed up to Lloyd where they were meeting and you looked around and you saw who else was there because now you're outing yourself even though by that time I think you know like people laugh at Sean like I had outed myself over and over and over again but to actually show up in the physical was the was the second protest that ever been to if if sending off trucks was a protest I don't know if that is that a protest folks I have but I looked around I'm like oh that's that's interesting they're out here oh and they're here too oh I'm not oh

right and I don't know like that part of it being infectious is so bloody true it's not even funny just seeing oh I I had no idea and then they just start to perk you and then and then of course you get Ottawa because that's what happened all these different people you never would have thought were showing up he's he they're going oh they're well geez Maybe I should pay attention to us. And so I come back. Sean has done a disservice with the NCI in that I should have been talking about this a long time ago.

I heard about this like five months ago. Anyways, Sean's late. That's okay. Now you're here. Now you're here. It's awesome. And we've got three more test of wait, Red Deer, and then it's going to Vancouver. I thought there was going to be a Victoria one as well.

It says Vancouver, May 2nd to 4th, Quebec, May 11th, 13th, and Ottawa, May 17th. There you go. Three more. So red deer. Or I guess red deer, four more. Four more. Red deer April 26 to 28th is what the floor. Oh my gosh.

Yeah. Yeah. So it doesn't matter, you know, like the nice thing about it is accessible, right? It was just as the emergency act, like the, you can still go back and watch all of the testimony. And although at times you're like, this is painful. It's also super interesting. And it's a part of Canadian history now, right? Exactly. Exactly. And this, like, I agree with you, what you're talking about. You can hop on and go back and watch it. And the lovely thing about it is, is it's pretty unfiltered, right? Like, it feels very like, can you tell us your story and raw? And it's just like, here it is. Yeah. Yeah. And we, we, you know, and I've, one person that, that testified in Toronto is Dan Hartman. So you've heard of answers for Sean. So, you know, we, and for your listeners who don't know,

he's the 17-year-old who was forced to take the injection to play hockey and then died suddenly and unexpectedly in his sleep 33 days later and his father has just been gaslit abused you know the autopsy is unacertained like all the stuff that is just reprehensible to me and you hear a story and so many people have risen up and supported Dan because as parents you can't imagine the pain this man has gone through. And to see him testify again, it doesn't even matter that I'd heard this story. And I know almost word for word, but it just brought it all to back, right? Like this, he needs to be in his, he is history.

What happened to him? What happened to all the other people across Canada who have been gaslit by the medical system and told that it's all in their head? And you know what? It's normal for 17-year-olds to have aneurysms and strokes and blood clots. and die of heart attacks, all that shit, that needs to be captured by history. Because never before has the medical system been so deceptive. And it needs to never be forgotten what has happened.

It's, I don't know the word to put to it, you know? Like, the sports thing just baffles me. Because, you know, like, well, I just rewind the clock. I think folks, if I go back to Jamie Sinclair and Henry Sidelitz, they came on to talk about hockey, Hockey Saskatchewan. Geez, why can't I get that outright? Anyways, hockey Saskatchewan and their association and, like, the testing and all these different things they're going to do on kids so they could play sports.

And it wasn't actually, they didn't come on to yell about it. They just came on to say, like, this isn't right. We need to, like, these are kids. These are healthy kids. We don't need to. grab their vaccination, all these different things. And I mean, that's what was going on. And now we have a good friend whose daughter has been hurt by the vaccine.

And why was that? So they could go play high-end hockey. And you're like, when are we going to just like call a spade a spade and open this thing? Well, I mean, that's what the NCI is trying to do, right? But I mean, as far as society goes, it's like, I don't know. It's sitting there so plain as day at this point. I don't even know what to say anymore. Like I think a lot of us are just kind of like,

well what do we say you mentioned answers for Sean it's like if you haven't heard that story well maybe Sean should bring him on and that way you can but I mean it's it's out there it's been out there for how long now uh Lord like I how long ago is that yeah well yeah you know he was almost at the beginning he was very very early and um thankfully um so what the people it's hard like how do you talk to a parent about the loss of their child I don't know like I don't even know It'd be the worst feeling in the absolute world. It would be. How could you?

You know, you can't even imagine being in their position knowing that, I mean, in Dan's case, Sean did it without him knowing because he knew he didn't want it. His dad didn't want him to do it. But what if you, as the parent, supported that decision? And then your kid has something so fundamentally wrong with it, medically or a death? How do you come to grips with that mentally? The trauma, you can't even, you know. the dissonance is a self-protective mechanism at that point, right?

Like, how do you even acknowledge that you did this to your kid? That this is how they acknowledge it. They have to be supported and told they relied to. They thought they were doing the best thing. They were not given the informed consent. Nobody in Canada or across the world, excuse me, has been given informed consent. Zero. And now with the data that I testified to that is citizen scientists down in the U.S.

that are finding the contamination, the ongoing sort of disclosure of actually how bad it is, nobody's been given informed consent. It's worse than I thought. It keeps on getting worse, actually. Not going to lie to you. Well, and I tell this story lots, so I'll tell it again. You know, and I apologize to the listener who has been along for the ride. But, like, Sean was, like, probably a month-long battle of calling a very close group of friends,

so he just didn't drive down and get it. Like that, like, and I'm the guy interviewing everybody. Like, so when you look at somebody who, who, who, it doesn't matter, went along with it. You can put that to any one of you who are listening that, that, that happened to. It's like, don't beat yourself up too much, because Sean was literally doing this, talking to all these people saying, don't do this. This happened to me. Don't do this.

This is strange. Everything else. And it was, the pressure was ratcheted up so tight that I just couldn't see. like no matter how many conversations I had and thank God for the podcast for my mental health because no matter how many times I did a podcast and I'd hear things like oh I'll last one more day I'll go one other day like they'd ratchet it up and everywhere you went it was it was just the same thing and if you spoke out a certain way they just kiboshed you and they just kibosh and they just kibosh and they're

like so now on the other side and I mean I call it the other side because we've had the freedom convoy and the convoy exposed so many things and if you watch the commission on the emergencies act like that exposed even more right of of just it just keeps going going going if you're paying attention you're like oh yeah i can i can like be like they pretty much put everything and the kitchen sink at us to get everyone vaccinated in a short period of time be damned what the consequences were and for you know like you i wish that more people stood up sure but I also know that I when I think in my own head I'm like I was doing this and I was almost buckling under the pressure think that's insanity that's that's what we live through yeah yeah and

and people in different perspectives you know there's a lot of people who who have this another have this sort of superiority complex that they didn't do it and you know we knew and how come you didn't know and the division continues and it's really easy for you to say that as a single person with no kids and a really great job and you're working from home and you can just afford to do that or whatever, right? Think about the single moms out there, the single dads or they couldn't just take their kid out of school that, you know, the coercion to continue working because they were going to lose their employment. Like you talk about the pressure ratcheting up. It was insanity, what they were doing to people under this guise of an emergency, Sean, that could be argued in a bunch

different ways and you know my opinion is as i discussed earlier they were lying to the public about the real cases the PCR test was completely flawed everything about it was a giant lie to make people so afraid of each other they wouldn't hug each other they'd wear face diapers in their cars by themselves you know just the fear fear fear get this it'll be over and then it wasn't over and then get another one and it'll be over and now they're still pushing the boosters on people, except for nobody knows that Nassie changed the guidelines. Go check it out yourself. The National Advisory on Immunization in Canada, they quietly change their guidelines.

The boosters aren't recommended for people unless you're over 65 or you're immunocompromised. Yet here on PEI, Dr. Heather Morrison is trying to push it down to everyone's throat still. It's insane. Like... Actually, I don't know what to say to that. I'm just like, what do I say to that? It's crazy to me. You know, like, here's here's the thing that I think is like hard to maybe put into words.

Ottawa was such an emotional release for so many people. Why? Because they've been told they're a bunch of idiots and go get this and you're wrong and you're killing people and you know, and like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So you can imagine the emotional release when they see other people and they're told, wow, they're not alone and all these different things. Then there's another release of like the people that had been lied to and are starting to see it for the first time and are like, what is going on?

That's another one. Yeah. But you still see people. I know for myself, and I'm sure you do too, where they're still driving around with a mask on. You're like, man, they're in a deep hole right now. How do you pull them out of that? Like certainly some of them don't want to be.

I'm sure, but I mean, it's not fun to be living in fear all the time. They're in fear all the time. They must be. They're in a constant state of fear. Yeah, and I just go back to living in that fear like purgatory. That is not a fun place to be. No, no, no. And how do you?

Without short of pulling everybody out and having a conversation, the problem is that what they watch. You need leaders to talk about it. But any time a leader talks about it, and I'll point. specifically Daniel Smith. Has she done everything right, folks? No, probably not. But she did go on live television and say, you know, they've, you know, like the unvaccinated have been pretty much persecuted against. And then she got lambasted by it. Oh my God. It was insane. Which is wild. You know, and in fairness,

this is where I come back to what Sean said earlier, which Sean should have been doing and everybody else. And maybe we made, and I'm sure there was a ton that tried defending her. Sean didn't do his best on trying to defend her. I don't even know what I was doing back then. But I don't know what I could have done. I'm just a small, layman I mean honestly but like even when she came out and talked about it they attacked her it's like do we want out of this cycle are we just gonna keep going into it until when when do we get out of this you know like for a lot of people they've moved on they don't you know like we've moved on but the same time it's like our leaders are still acting like you know we're going to do what like you

just brought it up like get your fifth booster shot it's like please don't like please Please, for the love of God, don't. Yeah. I mean, for a lot of things, they've moved on, but there's still some crazy mandates happening. Like, for example, a good friend of mine who was an LPN here in PEI, she is not vaccinated. She held off because her intuition told her to something was wrong. But they could have got her because she's a single mom. Anyway, she didn't.

But she's not eligible to ply. So she's working in the system for health care. PEI. She's not eligible to apply to other positions for health PEI, and she's not eligible to renew her contract because it says you have to be fully vaccinated when fully vaccinated includes two doses. And so that could have happened in 2021. And they know that, I mean, there's no, whatever, immunity wanes after six months. So everybody's not vaccinated. Everybody's not vaccinated. This whole notion that anybody is. Sorry to, sorry, but actually, no, you're not. Unless you got I think it was Lisa said last week talking about the city of Hamilton.

New hires need to be vaccinated. There's been people reach out to me from Ontario LPNs and the different parts of the nursing system saying in order to come back off maternity leave, and it goes on and on and on. And you're like, well, this is what Sean keeps telling himself. He has to focus on his community because, you know, Laura can't go around saving the world. I think a lot of us tried, not going around to saving the world, folks, but just trying to like, you know, like, I sit here and I go like, man, I'm freaking, I went from doing a podcast a week to now four or five a week, and I can't keep up to some of the stories that are just going on. It's just, it's, and then it almost overwhelms you, and you're like, oh, man, what am I doing? And it's like, okay, I talked to Bruce Party.

This is a while back. And it just kind of like dawned on me back then that they're trying to do what they can. see the problem in Ontario and where he's at. And then there's different people like yourself, PEI for sure, you're doing what you can from there. And here's Sean sitting where he is and he's trying to do what he can from here. And if we all just try and do what we can in our respective areas, things will get better, I think. That's, that's Sean's hopeful comment, I hope. Hmm. Hopeful. Yeah. I, uh, I, I think you're right. I think also the building of the community and, and supporting each other as we get, we go through this. And,

you know, I think that the convoy did so much for me personally. I was there. I think I saw you there. Actually, that's where I met Tasha there. Yep. And that was just amazing. One other thing I would like to add to what that did was it proved to me that Canada wasn't dead. Because I did not recognize my country for a long time. And seeing all those people come together, I was like, okay, no, there's something here still. There's something left to fight for. and the renewed kind of rejuvenated your love for your country because it was pretty harsh there for a bit. I'm curious. I don't know if I talked to anyone from PEI all through COVID. PEI is a small island. How, like, how insane did it get there?

You know, here we talk about like the snitch line, you know, like everybody was worried about, you know, having family over for Christmas, restaurants, hockey games. Like, I just, the list goes on and on and on and on. Could you talk to me a little bit about P.E.I? I'm just kind of curious about how, what it was like there in the darkest times. Yeah, yeah, we, we were on Alcatraz. We weren't allowed to leave. So unless you had a vaccine requirement, or unless you had a Vax pass, you weren't allowed to leave and come back without going on a mandatory house arrest for 14 days.

They call it self-isolation, but it was house arrest. From PEI? If you left the island and went anywhere else and came back, you had to go on house arrest for 14 days. So if you drove across the bridge and came back? Yes. Did they have somebody stationed there kind of thing? Yeah, they closed. Like you get off the other side.

So if you're coming back to PEI, if they diverted the traffic, which is elite, like it's a TransCanada Highway. I don't know how they did this. And they stopped everybody. And you went into like this little, you know, drive-through where they had the mask, you know, with the swabby swab trying to get to your brain. And here's a test. And where's your vaccine pass?

and all this stuff. It was insane. And yeah, we had people snitching on each other. There was a lot of distrust. Luckily, I live in rural PEI, so we didn't really have to deal with that because I don't know how I would have. But like we, I had a baby during COVID. I had a COVID baby. So that was interesting. And my mom was my older daughter. I was like trying to get babies, you know, childcare because my mom lived away and another piece of the island. And so I was like, okay, you can take my daughter. And we would find little dirt roads where there was nobody to do the child swap. Like I wasn't allowed, she wasn't allowed to see Oriana, my daughter, because it was a different household. So we would like hide and like didn't want to see anybody. If there was someone

drive by, we'd hide and do it anyways. But it was just insane. It was just, it was so crazy. Actually, a story to that is when we came back from the convoy. You know, one of the things, I don't know if you felt this, you probably did. You felt this like sort of real big push to just be noncompliant in every way. Like you go from Ottawa where there was this freedom loving, blah, blah, blah, all this amazing stuff. And then you go back to your respective provinces and it's like, you know what, I'm not complying. Nope, can't make me, you know, the whole thing.

So we got to the bridge at 3 o'clock in the morning after driving from Ottawa. And, you know, they were going to ask us for the vaccine pass. They were going to ask us all the stuff. And they wouldn't let us. They called the cops on us, Sean. They called the cops at the bridge because we wouldn't comply. And then he came. And so we had to give our information because one of the things they're asking all this

personal information. I don't know who you are. Like, who are you? You know, how dare you think that you can ask me for all this information and stop me on the, well, when they call the cops and it's a motor truck, it's a motor vehicle situation. So you have to. you get fined. It's pretty crazy. They had them over. And the other thing is, is now that I think about it, we could have asked if we were detained and then just left because they can't detain

you. Here's the problem. People are so afraid, us included. You're afraid of authority. You're afraid of like, you know, you don't want to cause problems or be a pain in the ass. So you just kind of go along with these people who are telling you to do something that is illegal and it infringes on your basic rights. And I had just been hanging out with Brian Peckford because you know, we were hanging out a lot. And so I'm leaning over and I'm like, you guys are infringing my Section 6 much harder rights and freedoms.

And the lady said, I don't have fucking time for this and went and called the cops. It was insane. Yeah. Yeah. Fun times. I, you know, it's funny. As time goes on, you hear different stories

about how like, you know, different perspectives of what they went through and everything else. I have two moments over the course of like, I don't know what it is. I call it the dark winter, but it was like, you know, a six-month period

where it just, it just rash, and things got super strange. We were coming back in from, you talk about going on dirt roads and handing off kids, we were coming back in from the farm, and there was a check stop

at the beginning of Lloyd. And I remember my wife and I, where were we? Right? Because we're assuming they're going to be like putting us in prison and we got the kids with us and you know,

and you're hearing stories of like, and you're like about where we were. And then it was, It was actually just to see if you've been drinking or not. And we braided the sigh of relief because I hadn't been drinking. You know, it's like, what? And the second one was when, was when, you know, different families plowed out the backs of their yard so vehicles could park for Christmas so nobody would see anyone at their home.

And you're in the middle of nowhere. You're in the middle of nowhere. And you're like, man, this is like when I look back on it, at the time, it made complete sense. It's like, I actually get it, right? like the last thing you need is somebody snitching yeah there were families that snitched on each other and there were neighbors who snitched on each other here too like you're like that's wild and it got to the point where it's like well it's just we'll just hide everybody's vehicle and they'll be good and we'll have and nobody needs to know oh my god yeah yeah we had people here

and we were actually trying to finish our house where we live in now um and so during like the peak of the beginning of the insane of the insanity March 2. 2020. We're trying to finish our house. So we've got people coming, you know, we need the plumber and I need the electrician and we got all the people and we're just like, uh, anyways. We lucked out though because where we live is so rural. Like I said, we didn't have a lot of people, but even just down the road, I know someone like left their house and somebody thought that they just came back from Mexico and they called the public out hotline and it's just like, who are you? And like, you know, but it's because they were so afraid. They thought that

they legitimately thought they were going to, they were, they could kill everybody. Yes. But I mean like, you know, it was funny. So this thought sticks with me all the time. So after we're leaving Ottawa and my family flew in. So my sister and I are sitting in the Ottawa airport. And I mean, there's nobody there. Like I don't know if people had been to it. I hadn't been to an airport in like, I don't know what it had been. But anyways, so we were sitting there waiting for them flying. We're sitting there and like there's nobody. like that like I mean beyond nobody in this place all there is is like I don't know the 50 workers or whatever and they're walk around joking because there's nobody in there there's just nobody in the airport but every like 30 seconds make sure you stay six

meters apart or whatever it is six feet apart and I'm like who is who is that for like there's nobody here but Sean's got his mask on because at the time I was like you know what I'm not getting like I was paranoid as all could be I'm like I'm not getting arrested for not having a mask on I just out of Ottawa, the convoy. I'm like, we're going to be six feet apart. But it just kept going over and over again. Make sure you stay.

And it was just a voice recording like every 30 seconds. It was probably, you know, every two minutes. But it felt like it was just like, like, who is this for? There's no. Apocalyptic sort of, you know what I mean? Oh, and you think about it. It's just over and over and over and over and over again. And like that type of propaganda, that type of this, like,

we're going to force this down your throat. It's amazing. Anybody survive that. Because it's just like everywhere you went, make sure you stay six feet apart and follow the arrows on the floor and wear your mask and do this. Otherwise, we'll all die and call on your neighbors and don't see anyone, no loved ones at all. We're not going to give you any studies that show that human companionship actually will do things great. No, everyone is a danger, even your kids, everything else. And you're like, and now we sit here and we go, well, no, it was fine.

It was fine? Yeah, not a chance. Like I think we all are in a little bit of denial of some of the sheds. shit we went through. Oh my God, the arrows on the floor. That was my favorite part. I would go to grocery. I'm shot something that and people will hear who know me know this. I am a shit disturber and I don't do well when people tell me things to tell me what to do. Specifically when there's nothing to back it up, right? Like I never wore a mask once and I won't unless I'm drywalling because then it actually does something. But I would go into stores and people generally I just got

away with it because I guess they just didn't oh god we don't have time for her you know whatever so yeah it was clearly so deadly that they had didn't matter I wouldn't follow the arrows I would go in the opposite direction just to piss people off to get them to think about it like what do you mean but you know what there's a couple times in grocery stores where people would throw their masks off and be like thank you you know like it's so nice to see a smile and not just you know what I mean it was oh god it was horrible. It was to the point where, and I still, I haven't seen a kid mask in a long time, but it gives me a visceral, like a visceral reaction to see a mask on a child. Like, I can't deal with it. I have to leave. I've left places before because there was kids and you could see

the mask being sucked in. Like you could see it. And then you just, you know how that's not normal and that's not okay. And you know what? It does shit. And Teresa Tam and the rest of those people knew that it did nothing. They published a study on pre-pandemic panning in 2016, admitting that masks do nothing for respiratory viruses, yet they did it anyways with no idea, no data. I always jump, like, I'll be the first, like, listen, Sean did not get, Sean drug his feet on this, Sean was a part of this, Sean did a lot of stupid things, Sean got extremely lucky that he surrounded himself with the great people that kept talking him off the ledge. That's how I got through this. That's my opinion. And the thing, I didn't think,

myself as a shit-disturber I agree with you when you're like I just don't like being told what to do Sean needs time to make an informed decision if you would so people I've been having this conversation lots lately with Christians you know about Bible and Jesus and all that and I'm like yeah you keep talking about Armageddon it Sean's going to read it he's going to take his time because if you try and force him to do anything and so now I get tons of messages which you're lovely and I thank everybody for well just keep reading you're doing a great job I'm like, I'm enjoying it.

I'm going to be honest. I'm enjoying it. But just the pressure needs to be careful because the pressure that was felt, this puts Sean's tail feathers up. And he's like, I just can't deal with it. I can't deal with that anymore. And so now they've created a bit of a shit, uh, shit disturber because of what I did to my kids through this, right?

Because I, Sean should have saw this a mile out, 10 miles out and been like, and this makes zero sense. But Sean, I, I tell you what, I got caught up in the, the fear just like everybody else did and you know when Chris Barber was on stage with the Canadiens for Truth he said you know like I just didn't want to cause anyone you know in their jobs any harm so he wore a mask going into all these different businesses because he knew it wasn't the worker enforcing and he knew that if he caused them shit it was just gonna be stressed and I'm like yeah I get

that and yet now I sit on the other side and I'm like I don't know how anyone's ever gonna get me to do anything again because I'm just like I am so you know, like upset about so many different things. It's like, and I think, but I think about what you just said, and it's easy for us to sit on the other side and be like, how could you even, like, you dummy, you three, you know, three years ago, Laura, you're an idiot. Like, what were you thinking? But you know what?

We were lied to by institutions that we were supposed to trust, like, until three years ago, And that's important until then, because it's changed now, I really thought public health was doing a great job. The same cannot be said anymore. So you trust them. They're saying, do this because, you know, this and that and the other thing. And you're like, oh, okay, well, shit, if they're saying that, absolutely, I want to do my part. So you can't. We have all been duped.

And some of us to different extends than others. And I think that's important perspective because there's going to be a lot of remorse. and especially when things start to accumulate, like what we're seeing, you know, we want to bring people in and not denigrate them. Well, I think some of the most powerful, and if they don't realize it, they should. The most powerful people right now, certainly, like, don't get me wrong, the VAC stories, the injuries, the segregation, all these things are very powerful. But some of the most powerful ones I've been hearing or talking to is people who were vaccinated. and went along with it and in the last like six months have like eyes opened and are like pissed right off and those people are like well I'm like well that's a new one I'm not that I didn't

see it coming it's that it's like they got a spur under their saddle like you know and they're they're hard after it it's like all right like I can handle that because um this is going to take more than just who's been pushing lately like it's going to take a lot of people you know we talk about how do you bring people together right because there's so much you know like the neighbor who got vaccinated and was all over you and he was saying that you're killing people and everything else it's like how do you get past that so you can come back together and realize that he was lied to by the same people you were lied to and that you have a common enemy that is affecting the entire population how do you do that because there's a lot of emotion and experience mixed up in that which is very difficult to watch past. Understanding and love. That's how we, that's how you do it. Maybe I'm simplifying it too much, but that's how I think you, the people who are divided

right now because of what you described, if they just listened to the other perspective and seek to understand before they're understood, then we get out of it. I like that. I you're you're uh it's funny I you hit you hit certain points when you listen to different things

or different people and your brain kind of like starts firing on a and I'm like supposed to be interviewing Laura here and I keep rattling on some different thoughts and here we are it's it's it's interesting you you raise a good point it's like I wonder if and I don't I don't know this the NCI do they have have they had somebody who's vaccinated on there talking about their perspective of like this is what I had to do and you know now on this side of it I'm willing to talk openly etc you're nodding your head like yes oh yes well we have yeah we've had lots of vaccinated

people like so people maybe maybe clear that out people who have had something bad happened to somebody that they knew or they got vaccinated because they were doing what they thought was right but then there's been a negative outcome we haven't had anybody who hasn't had a negative happen to them yet So that's an interesting point. And for those people that you're talking about with the spur and their saddle, which, by the way, I love that. Get them, you know what? We want to hear from you because you're absolutely right.

There's a lot of people like that who are irritated that maybe what they did was for nothing. And, you know, the thing that I'm going to send you the information for how they can get their story out and maybe just hit us up and share your story and why you did it and why you're mad. Why are they mad? Well, they're mad because they're realizing that actually the vaccine did absolutely nothing to them. And may have, you know, like long-term consequences, right? Like that's, that's, yes.

Here's an interesting one that I don't know if this has been happening to anyone else. It may just because I do this and people know where I kind of stand on different things. But I've had a bunch of different people come to me and say, you know, so. So what's going to happen to me long term? I see a lot. And I'm like, well, I hope nothing. I had like, but I certainly wouldn't be getting boosted again. But I'm no doctor, so don't take my word for that.

Go do your research. Talk to people, et cetera, et cetera, because I can't give any medical advice. I'm, but to me that's shocking because those similar people who have always been open to talk to, it wasn't that long ago where they were like, you're insane. Don't go in a hospital. Don't clog it up. You're doing these things. You know, not stay away from us.

but like I think you got this wrong and to hear them change their thought process I think is really powerful and they'll they'll attract different people into watching the NCI etc because just like courage is contagious for different doctors scientists etc it also goes the same way for people who've been not paying attention or not for this since the beginning if they start talking about some of the the pressures they've faced or even their thought process, I think, would be really interesting to hear. Absolutely. And that's where that is the impetus. That is where the critical mass is going to be achieved.

It's not through the expert testimony. It's through the everyday Canadian telling their story. And I think that those people, we really, really want to hear from. And, you know, what, and also not just the vaccinated maybe, but also people who are affected by mandates, like small business owners. Small business owners? But small businesses across Canada, like, you know, we've heard from a few already who, you know, lost everything looking across the road. There's Costco wide open.

Like everything about it was just a complete and utter lie, right? Just insane deception and lack of evidence, lack of logic. There was no logic. The logic train got stopped. And it's because they had unaligneded bureaucrats and whoever making the decisions and they were sitting in their public office. It's like what Dr. Milburn at the beginning. So Dr. Chris Milburn is an ER doc out of Nova Scotia. And he was the first to testify in Truro.

And I don't know if you know him or heard of him. He's very, very wise. So there's a difference between intelligent and wise. He's very wise doctor. Lovely man. And he was talking about how in Nova Scotia, when they were coming up with the mandates and the policies, they would have these in-camera sessions. That means there's, you know, nobody allowed, no recording these secret private meetings

with Dr. Strang and the Premier and maybe one or two other people. There were no doctors there. They weren't consulting with the medical professionals about what they should do on medical policy. And then Dr. Strang had the gall to on national TV or wherever he said it, provincial television to say that Chris Milburn and other ER docs have nothing to do with policymaking in health care, stick to your lane, treat the patients when they come in, and we'll deal with the policy. Your face is how I feel right now. Yes.

I just, I don't know. I don't even know, you know, at this point, it's like, it's, it's, this is why it's so fun to talk like lobster. Yes. It's just like at this point, I'm just like, I listen to what the NCI is doing, and I hear some of it, and I'm like, it feels like my life, what they're doing is they're encapsulating my life into two days a week, whatever it is these different hearings. And I'm like, all I've got to do is go back and like listen to my podcast for like 100

episodes in a row, and I'll hear my insanity and my voice for like, it's painful to go back and listen to because I'm like, it can't be that. bad. You know, it can't be that bad, right? And now we're learning, it is that bad. It's like, at this point, I'm, I'm almost lost for words, Laura. I'm like, what can I say, you know? And it just keeps unrolling and everything else. And I go back to what Dr. Robert Malone told me. And I think this is, this encapsulates me so, so to the point. He talked about, like, backing into a light switch. And then, oops, and there's the entire problem. I'm like, yeah, yeah, Sean,

John didn't know what was going on. He literally backed into a light suit. I went, holy crap, what did I do? Turn that thing off. I don't want to see it. And then you turn on, you're like, I can still see it all though. Okay, we'll flick it back on and crap.

And, you know, for me, that's, I, but I don't know, I don't know how, like, he, perfect. That's what it is. That's how Sean did it. And even then, he's like, can I just flick that thing back off, go back to, like, life is good and normal and everything else? Yeah. Well, for me, it's a tapestry, right?

You start on, you just, and now for me, it's just an accelerated pole. And, like, it's, there's nothing. Unraveling. Oh, the unraveling, the unraveling. There's so much, so much that we, but it's good because we're questioning. We're questioning things that we should question, you know, and that has been a silver lining for a lot of people, I think. Well, before I let you out of here, you know, I heard, I was chuckling, the, the, I could hear the kids in the background, which is awesome. I get a truck.

This is why Sean does it out of the studio. Although in saying that, folks, the Tuesday mashup I usually do from the kitchen table, which means there's three lying human, or sleeping human beings, fingers crossed at all times, and I'm walking on, you know, nice.

Good for you. Yeah, good. Yeah, no kidding. Right? Anyways. Is that why you talk so fast? I don't know. I don't know.

Before I let you out of here, we should do the crude master final question, which is, if you're going to stand behind a cause, then stand behind it absolutely what's one thing uh doctor laura brayden stands behind um i stand behind the unequivocal um support of our inherent rights and freedoms as canadians yeah it's uh one why i also say this every time somebody says i'm like well she's pretty much talked about it for an hour and uh every time i implore listeners to be like hey let's think up a new question nobody

text me on that one so i don't know if they love that question and they're just like no you don't you shouldn't change it at all or if they're you know because it comes the question literally comes from Heath Macdonnell who is the him and his wife sponsored the thing he literally said that I'm like man that was that was that was fantastic he was talking about protesting pipelines and oil and gas and things like that I mean obviously now it to me it just fits so well into all the different guests you have like what's what makes you tick where's your line and and finding where it is and for so many people especially well no in the world but Canadians who try and showcase for

most part, they found their line and they're literally like no more. This is where it's at. Well, my great, my grandfather was a major in World War II. And there's a lot of the patriotism that runs deep in my family. My blood runs thick with love for my country. So it was, and as far as I'm concerned, he's rolling in his grave as are all the other veterans of country who fought for our freedoms to then watch as we have to defend them again and try and claw them back because the general population of this country has been for all intensive purposes apathetic um that has been my line in the sand is that my kids will be taught history and will be taught how we have rights unalienable rights and our government has taken our freedoms

and it's hard to get those back without a hard fight a proverbial or a real one and i'm hoping it's proverbial but I'm going to stand shoulder to shoulder with fellow patriots and get that back. Well, some of the things that gives me a little peace of mind is every generation is going to face their unique fight and whatever, you know, certainly for us, it's freedom of, you know, choice and a whole bunch of different things, body autonomy and like, I mean, the list goes on and on and on and on. And, you know, if you go back through the histories, like this isn't new. different powers have tried to, you know, essentially grow the government, give them more powers, give them because they're, you know, and you're just like, well, it's just our version.

And if you look back in the histories, you can find a lot of hope there because they've found ways to put the government back in place and different things like that. But either way, I appreciate you coming on and doing this. And for all the listeners, show notes, I'll make sure to put in links for the National Citizens Inquiry so that people can head there and hopefully pay attention what's going on. Either way, thanks again. Yeah, I thank you very much for the time. It was been a pleasure.

Okay, well, thanks again, and I'm sure at some point the dusty trails will cross. Hopefully we don't have to hide out to do that, though. Okay. See you later. All right, thanks folks for tuning in. That was Dr. Laura Braden and National Citizens Inquiry. So look in the show notes. That's exactly where you're going to find different links.

and I implore if you haven't paid attention to any of it to go take a listen. Don't worry, I was slow to the take as well, and I started tuning in just last week and was a little bit, I don't know, shocked the right word, I shouldn't be shocked, but I think it's important for us all to take a listen and see what different Canadians are saying on there. This episode has been brought to by Calrock Industries. That's why we got this little last portion here. If you're in the oil-filled industry around the Leibnister area, use surplus frack sales and production tanks. All you got to do is go to cowrock.ca, and you can get all of their information from there.

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