Shaun Newman Podcast - #424 - Brother's Roundtable

Episode Date: May 4, 2023

The Brothers are back at it for week 3 of the NHL Playoffs. All things first round - Boston upset, Seattle moving on & NYR not getting it done. We have our predictions on round 2 and all the banter about game 1 between Oilers & Vegas. Recorded May 4, 2023. SNP Presents: Luongo & Krainer https://www.showpass.com/snp-presents-luongo-krainer/ Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Let me know what you thinkText me 587-217-8500

This is Vance Crow. I'm Alex Craneer. My name's David John Parker. This is Alex Epstein. This is Leighton Gray, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast, join for the brothers. Mucha Grande, finally in-house. You know, it's the third edition of, yeah, of the brothers' ground table.

Some of us are busy. Yeah, they're busy in Colonna. Yeah, that's right. Shout out to the Never Sweats, taking home the championship in Colona this year. Well, I'm going to start with an apology to Yamamoto because I've been hard on him. And then, of course, in game six, he scores the winner. I thought he looked good last night for the most part. His motor was going last night.

I feel like he was listening and he was like, you're right, Trump. It's time to kick it in the gear. But anyways. When we're talking about Yamamoto, my problem is not Yamamoto as the player because he does give you tons of energy. Everybody loves him. He can penalty kill everything. what I worry about on a long-term basis is just, you know, he's injury prone just because he's so small.

That's all. Yeah, I think Sean was beef. And last series in game five, he was awful. In fairness, so was new. Both those guys didn't have any energy, didn't fight a puck battle, let alone win one. And I was with you on that. And then he turned around in game six and scored the game winner. And he played well last night.

And he assisted on the game tire. Yes. He had the tip out in front, right? So before we get to Oilers, Vegas, I know everybody's just, I'm chomping at the bit to talk about last night. You know, doing this once a week, we got to go back to round one. First off, we did our predictions. Harley got six to eight right.

Dust was five of eight. Sean was four of eight. Jay was three of eight. That's what happens when you take all the favorites. The big man is always so confident when he's saying it, but maybe not so accurate. Well, there's some teams out there that are wondering what they're going to do here a lot more than what my picks are going to be because some of my guys were like Boston and Colorado.

Colorado. I mean, your defending champs lost out in the first round and your all-time best regular season record. Last two Stanley Cup winners and your President's trophy winner all knocked out first round. Pretty and real. You know, it's funny. I went five for eight and those are my three picks that lost. So I'm not sure who else Jason was picking beyond that.

But it's interesting because Harley went six for eight, so I just wonder if he was pulling it out of his ass. Harley always pulls it out of his ass. What was your biggest surprise then in round one? You know, the three that come, well, no, actually, what was the biggest surprise for you? What was the one Seattle was for me? My biggest surprise was Boston being up 3-1

and not being able to close that out with all the history, all the experience that they have on that team, they couldn't close it out in three games. That shocked me. What I was surprised to learn about after is Allmark was injured before playoffs ever started. So you're up 3-1 and you lose game 5. You lose game 6.

And then at that time, you decide to pull Allmark after all of that, right? If he was hurt, you probably should have put in Swainman sooner. At some point, yeah, 100%. Well, it's tough for a goalie who hasn't played in the playoffs. Has Swainman ever played a playoff game? I doubt it. Well, maybe last year. I can't remember.

His first game is... They were saying Olmark was hurt. But how do you put a goalie in his first game is game seven? It wasn't the goaltending, though. It feels like a game, though, like the Oilers lost last night, which is you can sit there and go, how can you call the too many men penalty with less than a minute left? But, you know, I find the more experienced people go,

we had a whole game. Yeah. We gave up five goals in the first 50 minutes. And if you're Boston, you can sit there and focus on Swamen in game seven. but they're up three to one. Yes. Three games to one. And then they're still up three games.

Three games. Three to one. You know what? I just find that, okay, yeah, you know, why did Swayman start game seven or not or whatever? But you're up three one. You had the best record ever. And three one in game five. And you couldn't find a way.

And you got the talent on that roster that is one cups, that is fantastic. Yeah. That knows how to close it out. Yep. And they didn't. But with them gone, Tampa gone, Colorado gone, it sure opens it up. Sure does. those. I'll go back to Seattle, Colorado. The only reason I say that is Colorado defending champs.

Now, they're missing a couple guys, but you sit there and go, they should still have enough of a team there where you can win a round or two. Yeah, I guess, but, you know, I just think we always, we always don't have, we don't give enough credits to injuries, guys coming back from injuries, and what that does to your team. If you, if you took that same thing. Maybe I get you. You don't give enough credit, hey? Six wins here? I think you got lucky. Did you take Seattle?

No, I didn't. That was one of them. That was one of them. None of us picked Seattle. All of us picked Colorado. Yeah. And actually, I picked Winnipeg, but I took Vegas to my drafts. My draft's looking great.

My picks on the air don't look good. Well, I will say this about Colorado is when you lose, you know, they lost cadre from last year and their captain was hurt. Landiscaug. Landiscaug. And, and Berakowski. And Berakowski. And who's the guy who. And then the Choooo's, the Choo's, the Choo's king gets a whole.

So all of a sudden, your lineup was really deep last year, which is why you won the cup. And McCar's been hurt. Well, yeah. And he gets booted for a game. So you still got your top guys, but all of a sudden, now you're not near the deep. Right, but pick any team right now that's left. If you take three of their top six forwards out of the lineup and have their top defenseman has been hurt coming into the series, how well would the Oilers do? I mean, they didn't look right last night and they had everybody.

Right. And yet we all took Colorado. Well, just because they're the champs tell they're not the champs. And you still thought they're going to get by Seattle. He thought Seattle would be just excited to have made the playoffs. But Seattle's got a lot of depth there. They just throw four lines out there. Me and dad talked about it.

It reminded you of Vegas their first year where there's no superstars. So there's no egos. Everybody rolls. Everybody hits. Everybody back checks. And they're hard to play against. But if you look at what Vegas was when they first started out, Seattle's the same way where you've got everyone's, you don't have any of the stars. You didn't get any of that when you joined the league.

as an expansion French guys, but you've got all solid players that are in that second, third line, kind of range, and guys that are whole team can play. And guys that are pissed off at previous teams. Screw Bar are a good example, right? Playing against his old team.

I remember watching that expansion draft and thinking, what the heck is Seattle doing? Like, they took some random people. They did. Yeah, they did. But they look pretty dang good right now. Yeah.

They're like one or two superstars or maybe even just two guys who can put the puck in and, you know, like relatively it will. You know, I think of LA, they had Campay. It seemed like every time he touched the pocket, one in the net. Seattle gets great opportunities.

Nobody gets scored. Like, they earn their goals every time. So we talked about the three teams that aren't in the playoffs. The one that didn't surprise me was Tampa because I thought they're starting to get just a little bit over the hill with some of the guys they have on there, especially in depth positions. And I thought that Toronto, it was kind of their time. They've had a good team for a number of years and they've played Tampa and Boston repeatedly, who've been really good teams. obviously Tampa won the cup for a couple of years. But I think Toronto is at that point where they can start going deep in the playoffs.

Well, I don't disagree with that. The thing I worry about with Toronto, though, is you look at after they won that series and like just everybody was like cloud nine. And I worry about the fact that that almost seemed like their Stanley Cup, right? Everybody was talking about they haven't made it past the first round since 2004. It's been so long. Then they finally do it against 10. Tampa as well, right? And to me, the only thing that I worry about is just the fact that

it almost seemed like now you're going to have that letdown because everybody knew and was trying to get past that first round. So I just worry about them for this next round, whether they can get over that next hurdle because of the letdown. I don't think they win the cup because of that exact reason, but I don't think they're done yet. So I don't think they can be. But I thought the same thing as Seattle. I thought Seattle got their first round win, right? Awesome beat Colorado. Yeah. Then they come. out in one game one. Well, Vegas went all the way of the final in their first year. Seattle has none of the backstory as well, though, to go along with any of it, right?

Toronto's biggest, the thing is they're playing in Florida. They might have been better off to have played the Boston Bruins, because you've got to get up for that. Instead, you get Florida, and all of us are sitting there going, ah, lucky them. They don't have to go through Boston. Oh, lucky you, you're just going to roll over Florida. You watch Florida. I don't know what the heck they're doing. Some games, you just like, I don't know how they're, you know, but they got Bobrovsky in that. He's looking pretty good. You got guys like a truck who just find a way to be around at Sam Bennett and all of a sudden they're up to nothing and you're like they did have we have we dropped the puck yet like it holy crap what's going on the president's

trophy year ago year ago like that's not long ago yep but they've also this is their second coach since that team from last year though as well but you still got similar it's almost the exact same team you got rid of you got rid of your two top players to calgary and then you got no not your two top you got rid of huberto you traded huberto for kachuk which right now looks like a great trade for florida yes and they traded and they traded and they they put Weiger in that deal, which at the time seemed like way overkill, but Muntur has been unbelievable as has, you know, and you got Eckblad still there, and you got guys like Stahl, and it seems to have worked.

And then, like you say, if old Bob can stop the box. They kind of seem like a veteran team. Like, that's the kind of way they, like, you know, the way, down three games to one, they should not have won game five. They should not have won that. It should have been over Boston and five. They find a way to win an overtime, oh, marks, whoops. So how much do you put in as the coach being Paul Murray's?

who used to be with Winnipeg, right? And then he was the one that made the change, right, to go back to Bobrovsky, right? I don't know. At that point, you're like, well, Miles will throw a dart at the board and hope for the best. He's making some decisions for sure.

I mean, he's not hurting them. 100%. What I'm saying is he was with Winnipeg, though, and he managed to get that team, you know, into, what was it, the semies one year, right? So, I mean, there is some playoff experience. Without a doubt. But if Boston takes care of,

business as the president's got the show won. How much to Dustin matter the year you guys won the it was the difference. Listen it's funny you bring senior hockey I can't I assume NHL's a smith different obviously but in senior hockey um my advice to anyone who's running it is the first thing you need as a coach because you can have the greatest team in the world but if you don't have somebody to say who's going on a power play and worry about those types of things penalty kill structure. Take a little bit of the heat I would say this a coach is like the players it's a One thing. You need some talent and everything, but you need somebody to guide.

You need some skill there to keep it all together, but a coach can't take a bunch of buffoons to the top because you need some talent there as well. It's tip for tat. You need both. How about what Gerard Glant said when asked about the Rangers about how much talent he had there? And he said, talent matters for none. It's the effort that you have. Oh, sure.

Well, you need guys that put out. How about the Rangers? You know, you bring up the New York, the big acquisitions, Teresanko, Patrick Kane. and then they you know and games one and two they blow them out and then they put in that schmid and all of a sudden four wins and he gave up what was it two goals in four games something something sillyness like that it wasn't quite a rookie goalie yeah this was my concern with the rangers right from the beginning because kane's not the guy going in the corner to get the puck teresanko's not really the guy going in the corner to get the puck you need some of those guys

who are high energy go in the corner battle work hard bust their ass unfortunately i was never that player but i appreciate the guys Justin, I was thinking, I was actually thinking Dustin's kind of similar. No, no, that's why I always appreciated those guys on my line because you can't have all skill guys. Just like you can't have all grinders, you need someone who's going to, you know, make plays and put it in the net. But you need those guys. And I looked at what the Rangers did the deadline. And in my mind, I'm just like, you know, you got too many guys that are the same or aren't going to battle.

I was listening to one of the NHL network guys talking out of New York. though and he went so you're in on cane you think you're out of cane so you go out and you get tarasanko to try and replace cane and then oh no you're actually not out of cane and in fact new york is the only place that cane wants to go to so we're going to give you a bag of pucks are you not going to take cane if if you're any other team are you not going to take cane for a fifth round pick see when the oilers were talking about getting cane i was like no that is not what they need whatsoever they already have all the scoring town on the world no, I don't know the Ranger team as well, but I was like, that is not the player they need.

Echholm was absolutely the right player. And I'm glad they got it. And I was glad right from the beginning. But I looked at the cane thing. And everyone's like, well, if we got cane, that'd be great. And I'm like, you're going to put them on the power play? Where? Right.

Like that is one of his best uses at the age and stage of the career he's at. And I go, he's not the guy going in the corner. Like, he's a top end first line player. Sure. But if you've already got top line first line player, like you can only put somebody guys in that position. So, go on, Jay. Well, I'm just, I'm just listening to all you guys. I don't know. I, I just, I just think with, with Kane and Teresanko, they both want a cup. They're both getting older. They both

had some injury problems, especially Teresanko. And there's desire. I'm sure everybody showed up. They're a pro. They want to go out there and play. But there's a difference between that and right now what Zach Hyman does, for example, right? And, you know, you watched even Toronto, You know, there's so much for them to get that win, there's a lot of character building right there. And there's a lot of, and guys like Tavares, and guys like bunting and guys that have been there for a bit, you know, you just feel it in your core.

You want to win. And I just don't know, does Can go to the Rangers? And he likes going there and he wanted to go there. But there's not that inner, you know. You don't push it past your extreme to get there. And I think that's what Geraglant's meaning, right? Is just, you know, you look at Florida. and Chuck's got everybody over by the bootstraps going,

you know, and now he's just playing the game, right? Like, oh, you know, Toronto's got to win this series. Like, you know, he's just putting the pressure. He's playing games, but he wants to win in the worst way. And he wants to stick it to everybody. And that's a tough guy to beat. Well, and even if you watch the Oilers last night, and I know we don't want to get into this yet,

but if you look at how hard McDavid and Drysidal are playing, let alone the rest of their lineup, their top guys are going as hard as they can. You know, McDavid's hitting people. Those two. Those two. I don't know. Like, Nuge was. Okay. Don't get into Nuge though, but when it comes to. Is he not one of your top guys? Kane, for that matter.

Who's your top two players on the others? I'm saying your top guys. Your top players are going as hard as they can. If Kane goes to the Rangers, is he going that hard? I didn't see it. No. And I don't think he is because he's on a half year left contract. He's just made 70 million bucks, 80 million bucks. He's got his cups. It'd be hard. It'd be hard to just turn around. and, you know, let's go again, right? I guess it would be, you know, and I mean,

you've seen a couple of guys go to Lashburn this year and do it in the senior, but if you put your sweat and blood, if you're Sean, you put your sweat and blood in the Hillmont and you got a championship and you went to the finals a couple of years and you were the captain,

and then you decided for the last year you're going to go try and win a championship in Nealberg. Like, it's just a different feel. But then, the only thing I'd argue about that is you have to be very careful then in the guy that you do that has seen it all. O'Reilly in Toronto, I think, is a different cut than Patrick Cain. I might have said if Taves was healthier, he'd be another one.

Patrice Bergeron would be another one. I don't think you'd be like, well, we're not taking those guys. Right. But they can't be the driving force of your team anymore either, right? Right. Like, you have to have the driving force there. And the thing with Patrick Cain and Teresanko, they both didn't go there and all of a sudden tear it up and they're willing Rangers on.

They needed the Zabinajad and the cry to. and all those guys to drive it to drive it. Panarin. Actually, you know where a good place for Kame would have been? We've been in Seattle cracking because they didn't have any super high-level talent guys. And they could have used that.

And they could, they can use that, right? But does he go against what they're trying to do right now? Because right now they're trying to be this hard to play against team where everybody was a lot like, how often does Seattle give up an on-man rush? Even if they do, they got three people coming back and like, like their level of effort,

nobody's matching right now. I haven't seen a team do it. I think there should have been a conversation had. As soon as Kane says, yeah, I want to go to New York, though. Okay, that's fine. But understand you're not top two lines here, right? You're walking in as a Spetsa or a Simmons or something like that on Toronto, where they walk in, like.

At that point in Kane's career, I don't know if you're talking. You got to remember, though, you've got to remember with the Rangers. The one thing that they were looking for, they haven't been impressed with CACO and with LaFrenier. Right? Them guys have been given opportunities after opportunities to play in the top six with guys like Panera and Zabinajad and Crider and these guys, and they've not been able to produce. So they were looking for a Teresanko and then a cane to be able to, they really felt like that they had their top two,

top of the line scoring lines now. Like Sean was saying, and Dust is, but in the end, they can't be the guys driving your team, right? So in the Oilers, if the Oilers go pick up at Coleman, he's made a huge difference, but you're still dry saddle McDavid or driving the bus. Yeah, or driving the bus. Let's, before, I know we're, I mean, when I was just talked about the others, I mean,

but one thing about a week is the first round ended, and we kind of, you know, walking in here, kind of want to talk about it some things. Some other thoughts, just be quickly, Winnipeg, Boston, what do they do? Winnipeg for me is time to blow it up. So you're getting rid of Hella Buck? So Helibuck's got one year left for his UFA.

Sheifley's got one year left for his UFA, Wheeler's got one year left for his UFA, and Pierluck Dubois is a restricted free agent. The other problem is that you keep getting reports out of that team that they have problems in the room, and then you have a very well-respected coach who goes in there, and at the end was talking about their compete level and was not happy with him.

And I go, where do you go from here? You know, Kyle Connor is obviously the guy that you're going to, you know, base around. You'd obviously love to see if Hallibuck will sign long term. That's the guy I'd go after. But the Wheeler Shifley thing, you can probably get quite a bit back for Shifle. Is Hallibut going to come back to a team that's in a rebuild? That's how much you pay him. Or if you're overpaying them? He said he had no interest in being part of a rebuild. So here's something else, too.

If you make him the highest pay goalie in the league, then what does that put you as far as the rest of your team goes? I think it's a complete tear down. why I say that is Winnipeg's had problems in that dressing room since what Buffaloin well I think what they talk about is Wheeler right is being one of the problems well you got to identify the problem and get rid of it they also had a coach quit last year when Buffalo and left it seemed like it got worse they're not better well that's what I mean though there was red flags back then and that's quite a few years ago at this point and with that I just sit there and look at that team and I go yeah it's

probably time to start pulling the guts out of it and starting over essentially like I think so that's a long and the other thing I thought that was interesting is when the guys were talking about it, they're saying, you know, in reality, Winnipeg probably is your 30th place to go in the league, or 32nd now. Yep. Right? It's probably the very last on most people. You know, you could say Buffalo, but Buffalo's in New York.

It's a little closer. Ottawa is a little more better. Eminton right now with having McDavid and Drysettle and a brand new ranks better. Winniplague is probably your very lowest spot. And so what do you got to do there? You have to draft and develop. Yep. And so if they don't get rid of Shifley now where maybe you can do.

bring in, you know, we were talking about it, but, you know, can you trade Pierlick Dubois for Slavkovsky, who was the number one overall pick last year? Can you get a guy like that back? Can you trade Shifley and get a first round plus, you know, their first round from last year? And all of a sudden you start acquiring assets. Right. What can you get for Halibuck? Who's probably a legit top five goal 10 in the league? Like, they've got some assets there, but do you wait to where, like right now, like right now, like right now? It's too bad they didn't rip the guts out last So they could have been at least in the lottery for. Yeah, I guess.

But I don't think you look at like that. I think they felt like at one point they were fighting for the top of the conference. Well, I know. Go to a different side then, Boston. They go from being the greatest NHL regular season team to now you've got UFA's Bergeron, Kreichy, Bertuzi. The list goes on. Well, your question starts with Bergeron and Kreachie. Because if them two decide that they're going to go one more time, then there's your answer.

and at both them say, you know what, that was our last draw? It's kind of your answer. But at the same time, it's still got Maccaboy, Marshan, Pashternac. You're still in a position you think that even if they quit, like would they be the team that trades for Shifley if them to quit, right? And you say Kreichi and Bergeron, but to me it's Bergeron. Like, Crichy's a nice player, but Bergeron's like the heart and soul of that team. Now, if he's done, the thing about that team is even if he's done,

they're still a really good team. They've got lots of depth and lots of nice players. I don't see them the same as winner. No. And I kind of view them more as the same as the Detroit Red Wings where they're making the playoffs for 25 years in a row, right? Somehow they managed to still keep developing those guys to keep coming up, still being able to bring in that higher-end talent where they need and keep going. Okay, so then here's the question is if Bergeron's done, just because we're talking about them, do you trade your last year's first round pick and this year's first round pick for a guy like Shifley or Pierluck-Baw? So that you replace that number one center because you want to get it.

You need a number one center. Right. And you've got one of the top five players in the NHL right now. I mean, it would be higher than top five. Well, let's just say top five. And plus you got Bradmore Shan there. You got McAvoy and got Lindelm. Like, they're in a different spot than Winnipeg.

Oh, absolutely. They're set up for the next five years still. You've got to push for the next three, four, five years. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Go for a cup. Dary Cullery continues to dismantle its management team. Thoughts on Sutter out as a coach.

Hmm. I was, I didn't, I wasn't surprised I don't think, but I mean, they had the most one goal game losses. So is that on the coach? Is that just a, is that just a one year off? Like, is that a one off? Or do you think that's something bigger? I would say the problems you saw with Hubert O having an awful year, Cadre not getting along with the coach. sometimes I think there's a like it didn't surprise me and Sutter's had a lot of success but I wonder if you get to a certain age where the players change and you're not able to adapt anymore or you have trouble staying with the times almost to a certain extent.

I just wonder about that a little bit. It doesn't surprise me that he's out and he's been a very successful coach but I think he's probably done at this point. Is he a Hall of Fame coach? Does he go in the Hall of Fame? He's got two cups? Two cups.

Two cups. I mean, he's got to be in the conversation, isn't he? I would think so. I don't know what gets you in as a coach, I guess. Probably so many wins, regular season wins. Cups. Cups, yeah. I guess if you want to Jack Adams, I don't know if he did or not.

So are you bringing in a young coach? Are you bringing in somebody more experienced? They're talking about the HL coach. This is the rumor I had heard. See, I have, first things first. You've got to find a GM. And you've got to find the right. GM. That's first and foremost in my mind. And then at that point,

most of the guys I know down in Calgary were unhappy that they let go with Trill Living. Like, they wish they would have kept Tray Living and then maybe go with a different coach. But maybe he was unwilling to go with a different coach too. Well, and they got rid of him first. The thing I wonder about is if you listen to Kachuk, like he was wanting a long-term deal at some point and True Living wouldn't give it to him and then and then Trial Living tried to sign him. How about this? You know, we're sitting here, sorry.

I was like, I wonder if he's one of Jack Adams, and I'm sure Flames fans are just yelling at the thing right now. Darrell Sutter of the Calgary Flames, won the Jack Adams Award on Thursday. This is a year ago, presented to the coach who was contributed to most of his team's success by a member of an NHL Broadcast Association or by the, that's who was selected.

Sutter coached the Flames to a 50, 21 and 11 to the Pacific Division title in his first full season after being hired March 5th, 2021. There you go. So there you go, Jack Adams coach. No, maybe I'm wrong. And he dealt with Johnny Goddrow, who was not necessarily known as this, you know, a little more of a score guy, but he got through to him.

And Huberdow didn't like it. And all I would have said back to Huberdow is, I know you don't like it, but once you've won a couple cups, then I'll start listening to you. You can't even get out of the first round, and now this year you can't even make the playoffs. Codry. Well, Codry won a cup. No, no, I realized, but he didn't get along with Sutter either. No, but Codry, to me, is no different than Phil Kessel or Taylor Hall, or he's.

He's that kind of mold where I don't know if I want that guy driving the bus. I think he's better when you got two or three. Like when he's in Colorado, then when he's in the cup, they got McKinnon and Raton and Landisg and McCar. And he's like five or six. And now you've got enough guys in the dressing room and just tell him to shut up. And he's not driving the bus. And Calgary, I didn't feel like they had that losing Kachuk and Godro.

I didn't think they had that. See, that's to do that. When I heard about Kachuk wanting to sign a long-term deal, he wouldn't do it. And then Trulibman came back. and said they wanted to sign them, and Kachuk's like, yeah, no, I'm good. I'm out. You know, like, as a GM, you have to look at your players and go, okay, this guy's part of a long-term future. If we can sign them long-term, you just do it, don't you? So what's the plan with dry-siddle McDavid?

Well, that's tough. You've already signed them long-term once, obviously. If you can sign them long-term again, you do it. Do you wait? So dry-sidel comes up a year before McDavid. Yeah. So do you wait until dry-sidels getting close to coming up. And try and do them at the same time? and do them at the same time and then say, sure, get them in the same room. We will pay you two whatever you want.

Yep. Okay. Yes. But this is how I approached almost. Yes. I'd say, we'll pay you two whatever you want. You guys decide. We're going to pay you the same though.

Well, no, you guys just decide because, you know, and then we will decide on the course of action after that on how we can bring guys in under the cap and what we got to do to do that, right? So first of all, we got to have you two signed. And then from there, so if they decide, yeah, we're each going to get paid $15. million, okay, here's your thing and sign. Because if I'm the Emmerton Oilers, maybe it takes away from my competitiveness, but I

still have the two of the most marketable guys in the world. Like I have the most marketable guy in the NHL and Connor McDavid, but Drysidle being a European, I've got like two of the most marketable guys in the world that's going to make my franchise money. And if I have them to, we've seen teams before where maybe they can get some depth around them through the draft or some signings where a guy had a bad year and you bring them in and he has a rebound because he's playing with McDavid. Crosby and Malkin.

How many guys have you heard talking about they want to come to Eminton just for the chance to play with McDavid? Right. So that's why I would honestly. And you might get surprised because McDavid and Driesel go, well, we'd like to win a whole bunch more championships. And I know this is going to surprise you, but you don't need $100 million in 10 years to survive and to live comfortably. And you know what? We're good signing 12 each. Oh, really?

Here's a question for you that I'd like an answer for. is Drysaddle better playoff performance than David? Yes. Yes. It's not even a question. Well, didn't McDavid last year lead the league in scoring? Drysaddle only had one leg last year. No, I know.

I understand. I mean, Drysettle has one four-goal game. Well, no, no, no. I'm not trying to say that he's better. No, no, no. But last year, I think McDavid had him by two points, and Drysaddle had one leg. Like, seriously.

Drysiddle is two goals away from tying the leading goal score from last year's entire playoffs in the first game of the second round. Okay, take it away from goals and just go straight to points, though. Like, dry saddle, like, I didn't even know what to say about dry saddle at this point. If the Oilers Power Play was not 60-some percent right now, or 58, whatever it is, it's ridiculous. If it wasn't that, the guy who's still making them tick is a dry saddle five-on-five. Okay, so Sean's gave his answer, Jay's kind of waffling.

No, well, I just, for me, it doesn't mean McDavid's a bad player. He's a great hockey player. No, but I don't know if I look at it like that. McDavid is is fighting through a ton of like everybody's game plan right now is shut McDavid down and so if you if you're watching the games McDavid's circling there's a guy circling with him when David gets a puck two guys go to him so and so McDavid is drawing a lot of attention and dry sidle one of dry sidle strengths is he finds holes well he's got he's got a good shot and accurate he's good passer and so it's really allowed dry sidle to still be

because they're not doing the same thing to him they're not having a guy follow with dry saddle they're following so so here's the thing is that when guys are on dry siddle he's so big that they can't they can't contain he's a big control him whereas with mc david it's a little bit easier because he's just that's i don't know dust i david's the fastest guy in the league yeah but mcdiv's skate with that guy mac david goes goes through like he gets the puck he's still skating dry saddle has lots of pressure on him as well jay like it's not like it's different though if you watch watch the game mac david they are literally

I actually turn on the TV and watch a Jay? Well, should I go to a game and watch the game? What I recommend, what I recommend for you, Dust,

is to watch the game more than the just the puck carrier. Okay? Just don't watch where the puck goes. Watch what else is going on in the game. Oh, there's other players on the ice day. Believe it or not. I,

like, watching it. When McDavid, so game one, Oilers lose 5-4, 6-4, pardon me, with the empty-netter. The dry-settle score

is four, right? Unbelievable game. Now, in fairness, how many of those? He was a better player in McDavid does. But how many, but how many, but how many did McDavid first assist on, right? Two of them. It's not like he, it's not like he wasn't doing anything there.

He's, he's the guy drawing all the attention and feeding him a puck. And then Drysettled. I think Drysadle has 16 points so far. McDavid has 12. Well, they're both really good. I was just asking the question if Drysell is actually better in the playoffs. Did anyone see Mark Specter asked Drysettle after the game? Did anyone see that clip?

No. Mark Specter goes, do you still get a little bit of joy of getting? And Drysell actually cut him off and said, no. No. Like just dead. A bit of joy of what? Getting four goals in a game where you lose.

Oh. Like being happy with yourself. Like he was starting to ask the question and Dreisel shut him down. He was like, no. Drys don't like David are there to win a cup. Oh, yeah. 100%. Absolutely.

I just found it funny. Because my perspective is such an idiot. When McDavid plays the way he did in about the last 10 minutes, there's nobody on the planet that's better than him. So when you ask the questionable dry-settled McDavid, to this point, it has been dry-sitle show running this thing. It isn't even a question. On 5-on-5, you go, where is McDavid? Honestly, last night, one of the most amazing things about the Vegas Golden Knights was their sticks. I've never seen a team where they got their sticks knocking down passes from one.

one of the greatest passes of all time in Leon Dreisel, knocking away pucks from one of the best players ever in Connor McDavid. It would happen all night long. Or there's had nothing going. But McDavid in the last, like, seven, ten minutes, goes to another level. And if he plays like that game long, he's by far the best player under the sun.

It's just he didn't, he hasn't been doing it. And I haven't been there to watch. You get to see what the camera shows you, right? So everybody talks at live games, how much of those teams are hooking and holding and how they're not calling the penalties and everything else, and they're slowing him down, and they're two and on one and everything else.

But, like, when he goes to a different level, there's nobody else. There's nobody else. Look at the opposite way. Could you say that Dry Settles having the, he's playing unbelievable this playoffs? Is that true? No, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. And McDavid's got four less points. Yeah, but last year, so at Drysidle had two less points, we're on one leg. At Drysydel's peak, McDavid's got four less points, and McDavid, we think,

has had a whole-hum playoffs. Right? What did he have in the first round, 11 points of six games, and we thought he was very whole-hum. I don't know what we think. I don't know if we're waiting for three points a game. No, no.

I'm not saying. What I'm saying is, is Drey said all the better playoff before me. I want to watch Pittsburgh back four years ago. He's better than Nugent Hopkins. In that game, in that game, I took Jay's advice and I watched all the other players on the ice, not just who had the puck. And I didn't notice seven players on the ice or like how many total? I didn't notice Crosby the entire game.

And then all of a sudden, in a matter of five minutes, Crosby had three points. And then he just took it off again, right? Like it was almost like you flipped the switch for the five minutes, got his three points, flipped it back off again. Pittsburgh won the game. And you're like, wow, that was unreal. Because for the most part, throughout the entire game,

he didn't even really notice him, right? He was just another guy out there. But then as soon as he does, right, same way that we're talking about McDavid, right? All of a sudden, they just have this extra gear where they can just go, fuck you guys, sorry, mom. And away they go. There it is.

Had to happen, eh. McDavid, the first time I saw that ever was against L.A. game six, game seven last year. We're all of a sudden he was just like, okay, we're winning. And that's how you know the guys want to win the cup is they turned it on. The problem that the problem that Emmington has right now is you've got two guys that are willing to do that. And I don't see that in Kane. I don't see that in Nuge.

Some of those guys don't have that gear. No. I like how Kane is. Kane come out last night. He threw the first hit. He's out there. He's being tough. He's hitting.

He was benched for. half of the third period. Well, then he wasn't doing something. What I'm saying is, those guys don't have the capability to take over the game. There's only certain players

in the league that have it. No, no, no, no. I agree with you, Dust. But I remember last year in the playoffs and Eminton, nothing was going on. And I can specifically remember Kane lining up

on one of the faceoff dots and Puck hadn't even dropped yet. And he literally two-handed a guy across the laces. It's not to take penalties. That would prove it? No, no, but what was he doing? He was getting himself fired up so that he could get himself engaged in the game

because it was a whole hum game and Amminton was losing in the playoffs. And right now I haven't seen that out of cane where he just wants to take over a game like a to Chuck. Like, yeah, like I haven't seen that yet. Last year in the playoffs, he was on a different level. He was acting like to Chuck where you know what, boys, fuck this. I'll grab you guys. I'll put you on my back because this is what I'm willing to do for the team. And he was happy to be there.

And I just haven't seen yet from Kane. We've had two games in the first round where the depth scoring really shine through. Like it just came through. You had Kane scoring. You had Hyman scoring. Coston. Coston. Beauty.

Yamamoto. Yamamoto. Yamamoto. And game one, we're all hyped up as fans. And they've been in, you know, they've been out in the summer sun and down south for an extra day. Everybody's like, this is great, no travel, which I'm not against. But they just, they came in and they weren't ready to go. And Vegas was ready to go.

Five on five for 50 minutes of that game, they dominate. They got shot us 13-2 until like two minutes or a minute left in the first. I could be. And then dry saddle scores this little goal and you think you're in the game. But I mean, for the most of the game, Vegas dictated everything, except for the last seven minutes when they finally went, let's go. They will be better a game too. There's no better motivator than being down a game.

Has I been to the game? from L.A. even yet, though? After that series, I don't even think they just that's what I'm talking about. So they've been down there for... You know, it's just, it's hard to... You want them to be killer mode all the time. Instead, they walk into Vegas.

It's not their home building. The fans are going nuts. They think they're going to walk in. They score on the power play. Here we go. And Vegas turns it on. And for 50 minutes of the game, honestly, Skinner led in a couple stinkers.

But other than that, he played phenomenal to keep it even as tight as that. Then they tie it up and all of a sudden, bang in the net, banging the net. There's a different stat for you. With McDar, David and Drysiddle, they have lost eight of nine first round games. Like, or games in series. Game ones. Game ones.

Thank you. So the one game that they did win, they actually lost that series. That was Anaheim. Oh, well, that's good, then. Yeah. Oh, so they're going to win series. It's in the bag. There's nothing that motivates like losing game one because you need to, you know,

Cherry used to say you're not in harm's way or whatever until you lose on home ice, right? Like you're not in trouble until you lose on home ice. But they go into tomorrow night and they take care of business, they'll be completely fine. It's one game. Yeah. I'm not worried about them. I'm not worried about Dallas. Dallas, to me, felt the same way with that Dallas-Seattle game, right?

Yeah, I agree. Seattle came, they're playing hard, and Dallas just had a let down from after how hard they played against Minnesota. But Dallas is a tough team, and they got some experience. They've been around. They're a big team. Going back to last year, we've been saying Dry Settle was only two points behind McDavid. Last year, McDavid led the playoff scoring with 33 points. Leon Dry Settle 32.

No, there you go. On one leg. On one leg. He's built for the playoffs. He's just built for the playoffs. You know what I find interesting with that comment, Dust, is that Dustin in the Don's Cup. Spend more money on. Spent more money, McDavid, than what Drysettle went for.

So I do find that interesting. Best player in the world. Find that interesting, Dustin. Well, they do have the two best players on the planet. Yeah. So I got one of the two. Yeah, 100% you did. And I spent a lot of money to get them, but anyhow.

I mean, we won't mention that Dustin is in bottom of the draft. I won't be forever. Did anybody else notice last night, though, the Oilers looked me like game one and two against L.A. where another passes were really going, you know. Like, is that just that's being down? I think that's being in California for an extended period of time. You just kind of like, you walk in, Lucy. Pretty soon you're going to get rid of gas stoves and, you know, you're going to have things go on.

Here's the thing is I think some teams just start series slow for whatever. It's like a feeling out process or something. I don't know why it is. I look back to the time we won the one. Well, we lost every first game. We lost every first game. I'm going to say, that's probably coaching, actually. It probably is coaching.

And I don't know what I could have done it. We won the cup, though, Jay. So we did something right. But for some reason, some teams just. But the rest of it wasn't coaching, but the game won lost. The players picked it up after the coach dropped the ball in game one. I don't know what it is, but some teams just start slow. Power play.

Can they, like, I just feel, it feels like clockwork. Like, I mean, I don't know. You look at how they've scored all their goals, and there are, yeah, they have the cross-eyes from McDavid to Drysettle, the one-timer, the one-timer. but there are so many other different looks. And they do such a good job of constantly moving. Constantly moving. And if they're not seeing it, rotating guys were now dry saddles on the left instead of on the right.

Or all of a sudden now he's down low. There's constantly movement. Like no guys are ever really standing still, which is unreal. Well, Bouchard's got such a hard shot. 57.9%. That a little bit of talent, too. Oh, 100%. 57.9% guys.

What I'm saying is with Bushar with the shot from the point, you have to be worried about them, which means you've got to kind of guard against that. But then you've got all these other guys. Think about that. Like, how long ago was it, we're like, I mean, in L.A. had 40-something percent against the oil. So, like, L.A., that was why you didn't want to,

nobody wanted to take a penalty in that series because it just felt like it went in the net. But 57.9%. Like, that's like, out of this world, good. You give him a power play, goes in the net. I mean, that's what happened last night. That feels like our conversation the other day where they're already scoring a 57% or whatever it is. Like, don't you just try something a little bit different? You know, if you're defending. If you're defending against

it. Yeah. I mean, no, let's just go out there and try and get 50% boys. The problem you got if you're vague is, I was given the Oilers a hard time on their PK because they were going down on their knees and then allowing L.A. to stay up. And they're too skilled to like where you go down and once you go off your feet, they can go around you. The thing about the Oilers P-K or PowerPlay that's interesting is how long they stay out there. It's like a minute and 40 seconds before they change.

And they control the puck the entire time. And so they get different look, different look. And normally if you kill off the first 50 seconds, it's a line change. And now you get the second unit and you feel good as a P-K. I don't know in my entire career if I ever played a PowerPlay that stayed out that long.

Like a minute and 40 seconds, and they're scoring, you know, like, it's just like, this is wild. so tough on the PK because they do so many different things. And they're actually ad-libbing on the fly. Like McDavid did something last night and it didn't work out. But he actually did a different move. And you've got to be so mentally with it as a P-Ker to stay on top of everything they can do.

Like it's got to be exhausted. What's the hardest thing as a penalty killer is if guys are constantly moving, you're constantly moving. So you're constantly, the easiest way to defend is to just stand still. Like you're not burning energy. You're not really doing anything. you can stay out there, but with them guys constantly moving and those defenders constantly moving, eventually those guys get tired and then there's a breakdown and then all of a sudden it's back door

and in the net and it feels like it feels like aveschkin, like dry where he sits, feels like Ovechkin where he just sits there and you're like how the heck is he even scoring that? Even the goal he's ready for it and it still goes barred isn't that whole power play McDavid. Yeah, McDavid on the powerplay. You know, I agree with you. Drysadles like Ovechkin, right? So he's a big weapon there. But the reason they run at that 57,

percent is because of McDavid. McDavid feeds the puck to bush, dry-siddle, anyone else. In the reality, McDavid gives them the options to have all the different plays they have because of him. Plus he's a weapon that can drill it home. You're hard to defend against him because let's say McDavid was hurt right now. So you had a Vander Cain out there. And Nuge is going to kind of control it.

Well, you can pressure Nuge a lot. You pressure McDavid. And then he does one of his spin and come. Now it's a five on three as you're picking yourself up in the corner. and that's a real problem whereas Nugent Hopkins, a Vanderkaine, none of them guys can do that. Nobody can do that. Nobody in the league can do that.

And that's the problem I think teams have with that power play because he's constantly got the puck. He's constantly got at all different places. So if you force him, he beats you one-on-one, and now it's a two-on-one in front of the net or it's a backdoor to dry cycle or it's something going on.

And so they tend to want to sit back, but if they sit back, now they just do all their plays, and it's just a really hard thing to defend. One, I'd say, you're right about McDavid. At the same time, it's not like they've got just guys on the ice. with him. They've got, you know, the second best player in the world with him,

plus a guy that's got a bomb from the point that can move the puck really. Like, they've got guys to play with them who can actually, are high level as well. If, if, if Pasternak was on that team instead of Drysettle, would he get the same amount of points as Drysettle? Yeah. Same amount of goals? Probably, right? If, if, uh, Bergerlund was that on that team instead of McKeon, instead of Burge, or instead of McDavid, what would be the change? It would be a giant change. Sure. McDavid I just go back to

like, I think he's the fact When we go back to who's the better player in playoffs Drysidal is like amazing what he does

but when McDavid does anything he drives the entire team he's the only player in the playoffs right now when he picks up the puck everybody focuses on it nobody on Toronto does that everybody loves to talk

about Matthews and all these different players love to talk about Drysidal when Drysettles passing is amazing he does that from time to time But overall, McDavid's speed and ability to handle the puck, when he picks the puck up wherever it is, it can be in the most harmless corner of the ice surface. He can get up to zero to 60 so fast.

There's nobody like that. He drives it. The thing is, is he has to engage that because at times he can shy away from the corner or throw three different. I think at times he's getting tired because he's fighting through a lot of stuff. And that's fair. Did you see the one shift of echo? And I don't blame him because I'd be the exact same way.

Like McDavid's on the ice, I'd be just like, oh, here you go, here you go. Right? It came to Acombe. He's just trying to put it ahead to the red line from McDavid to run into, right? Because you're like, just get it to him, get it to him. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just nothing will like it. But it's not what some of the best players do, right? If you're, don't fumble fuck the puck, right? Just get it to your best player and allow him to do it. That's what I, that's what I do. That's what I do. That's what I'm... That's what I do it. That's what I do it. That's what I'm... time. I just grabbed the puck. Whoever's on I am, I'm just feeding the puck. Tough break for day or nay. That first. You're just feeding me the puck, Jay? Is that what you mean? Well, if Dustin skating by, I'll give it to him, because he likes to roar with it. But, you know, I'm good with just about anybody, you know. Give him the puck. Anyone who's faster than you? That's right, which is 99% of the Nunard group. Any other thoughts from Florida winning game one, Carolina,

Seattle. I mean, Carolina, you know, is an interesting team because we just went through why Colorado didn't beat Seattle and you know why Winnipeg struggled against Vegas with all the guys out and everything. Carolina's mission, Svechnikov, Terravinen, and who's the third guy they're missing? They're missing three guys. Then last two for sure in their top six. And yet they won their first round. Jeez, it seems like there's someone in this room who's been a perennial. And yet he didn't take him this year, folks. I took some of them in my draft. Oh, he's got a whole He's got a whole, what Dustin did under his strategy was he grabbed McDavid and Van der Kaine, and it took a whole bunch of Carolina guys.

I got him at home and I got Skinner. The one thing interesting, the one bunch of third and fourth line Carolina. I got seven. That's what I did. And I got a couple of Carolina. The one thing, though, with Carolina compared to some of the other teams that I think is part of the driving factor is Robbrenemore drives that team a certain way. You don't like it.

I don't care. You're sitting. Well, they're definitely bought in. And he knows how to win. He's won before, and the team kind of takes after him. I saw a stat that one day that he's been coaching that team five years, and they've made it past the first round for all five years, which is incredible. Just incredible, really.

Because everyone stumbles from time to time. But to have that team make it past the first round, they made the conference finals, what, two or three times over that stretch? Like, they've won the cup, but they've been awfully good for a lot of years. Predictions. Predictions, and then I'll let you out of here. Are we going lowest? To highest?

Just start. Or do you want the guy who got first to have first? No, I don't want to be thought of that I'm following Harley because he's so smart. Fair enough. Jay, you can lead then since you were the lowest. Okay. Here, give me your winners, Emmett to Vegas, Seattle, Dallas to start. Everybody get ready to go and bet on this because I'm going to make you some money.

So we got Emmerton in six. I thought you thought Emerton and Forger. Nope. No, no, no. I was willing to take odds on that. Because Crawford was, because the legend was in the room there and was trying, but see, Crawford, he likes to always try and find a way to get the extra point, right? And so he's going, well, 20, 40, right?

Two to one odds, I don't know, four games, right? So anyways, I was working with the legend there a little bit. So, no, I'm going Emmetton and six. I'm going, who's the other one, Dallas and Seattle, going Dallas and six. and I'm going Carolina and who they play in Jersey. Jersey. It's a tough series. So,

hmm, that's a tough series, boys. That's a tough one. I'm going to go Carolina and seven. Carolina and then who's the other one? Toronto and Florida. And I'm going to go Toronto and seven. Thus, you want to go next? Are you going to go next?

I didn't realize we were picking how many games. I just wanted to up the ante here with Harley. Sure. Sure. Well, I'm taking Emmington. I said Emmington in five, so they got to win four straight for me. I'm taking Seattle in six. Oh, wow.

I'm taking the-off the stars. I'm taking the Carolina Hurricanes in six, and I'm taking the Toronto Maple Leafs. They're going to go the distance at seven. So there you go. That's who I got. I hate one of my picks line up with someone else. That's why I got to pick first.

Well, this is why you go how many games then? This is why I wrote mine down so I wouldn't change. So I'll go oilers and six. Oilers and six. That's a good pick, dust. I'm going to take Seattle in five. Wow. I'm going to take Carolina in five.

Wow. And I'll take the Maple Leafs in seven. Harals, the guy with the plan, this might be, folks, this might be the one you want to listen to it. This is what we're betting on right here. Emmington and Dallas, both in six, Jersey and seven, and the Florida Panthers, and five. That's what his heart is picking right there.

Because you pick the devil. Although we do have a couple of Seattle bandwagon jumpers right now, so. Wow. So we're all picking Emmington. We're split on Dallas and Seattle. two, two. Carolina, for three of us, one taking Jersey, and then three of us taking Toronto, one taking Florida.

That should be an interesting little look-ski here in however many days, but that'll do it for another week until next week, fellas. Hopefully the oil have done business and everything else. Mucha Grande, are you showing up next week? Or are you all for? When is it? I don't know. When are you guys back?

Tuesday night. I'm back Wednesday afternoon. We'll make sure that we work around Mucho Grande's schedule, hey folks? You know, he works a lot. He's really, he's very... I got a lot on the go. Some of us aren't semi-retired like Dustin and Sean. Hey, Charles?

As they go to, where you guys going to Cammore? Camar. Well, we got meetings. Meetings in Camar, uh-huh. You feel like he's been meetings for like the last month. I need some meetings. Yeah. That's what I need.

Where you at? I mean, Calgary. What are you doing? Meetings. Oh, okay. Where are you at? Colonna. What are you doing?

Meetings. Where are you going next week? Canmore? We're doing meetings. No, no, no. I wasn't in meetings. And then one of the meetings. One of the meetings is actually game one of the Stanley Cup finals.

You're in meeting there? Oh, yeah, yeah. Real serious meetings. Hey, big shout out to a couple guys. Jody Lehman was our goaltender in Colona played unbelievable. And Kevin Lane got the winner on the power play. There you go. Lainter did.

Lainer did. Yeah, shot from the point. Howie from the point. Yeah. Shoot from anywhere there, folks. Shoot from anywhere, yeah. All right. Close your eyes and shoot.

Thank you.