Shaun Newman Podcast - #427 - Sarah Choujounian

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

A nurse since 2004 & co-founder of Canadian Frontline Nurses. We discuss her ongoing legal battles and her journey through Covid. www.canadianfrontlinenurses.ca www.GiveSendGo/cfn Etransfers at [e-mail] Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 SNP Presents: Luongo & Krainer https://www.showpass.com/snp-presents-luongo-krainer/ Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast

This is Vance Crow. I'm Alex Kraner. My name's David John Parker. This is Alex Epstein. This is Leighton Gray, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Wednesday. I'm, you know, the old substack has been a little bit slow,

but due to a 90-day challenge with the men's group, I've been writing every morning. So there was a new one earlier this week. If you haven't signed up for the substack, it's going to be where I'm trying to put out, you know, everything on the backstory of the podcast. different things, thoughts, musings, upcoming shows, all that good stuff. So in the show notes, the substack is sitting there.

So if you're interested in seeing or hearing a little bit more from myself, I'm a horrendous writer, not horrendous, I shouldn't say that, but, you know, I'm not this uber talented writer, but we're working on it. Anyways, it's kind of like going in the gym, I feel like, for the first time. You know, it's not like you're squatting your weight or what have you. You've got to start somewhere. And anyway, some people are a little more gifted than others. and others got to really work out.

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It's going to be an electric night. And certainly if you've been listening to those ones, Lloyd Minster, you're in for a treat, and just go to the show notes. I love to see, it sounds like there's different people coming in from different parts of Canada already. Would love for you to be a part of that and come experience it. But either way, in the show notes, there's tickets there, and look forward to seeing everyone who shows up June 10th. Now, let's get on that tail of the tape brought to you by Hancock Petroying.

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of Canadian frontline nurses I'm talking about Sarah Shizunian So buckle up Here we go This is Sarah Shizunian And you are listening To the Sean Newman Podcast

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast I'm sitting with Sarah Shizunian I hope I said that right And she's laughing Because I'm like I'm stickler on trying to get names right, Sarah. And you got an interesting one that I'm probably going to butcher a few different times.

I'm sure it's not new to have somebody butcher that last name. It's definitely unique. Either way, thanks for hopping on. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Well, I mean, if you're a friend, Chris Nagels, it's pretty easy to have any of her fellow patriots on to talk some different things.

So that's an easy, easy ask. Awesome. Now for the audience, maybe they know exactly who Sarah is. Sean certainly doesn't. So could you give me a little bit of background on who you are and what you're about and who you are? I'd be interested just to hear that and we'll see where we get to. Okay, well, my name is Sarah Shijunian, as we've said many times.

I've been a nurse since 2004. I'm also the co-founder with Kristen of Canadian Frontline nurses. So I was actually, I worked in a nursing home for the greater part of my career and also in the community with kids. And when you work in a nursing home, you know the government doesn't care about these people. I mean, prisoners get more money for food daily from the government than they do. And you know it's all about profit. It's all about pushing pills onto them and stuff like that. So when the government said that they were going to shut down the entire economy to protect

these same people, a huge red flag went up into my head. And I thought everybody that I worked with would feel the same way. But unfortunately, nobody. And so I was also chief steward of the union where I worked. And I reached off the union and I told them they're taking away our rights. They're taking away my residence rights. Like, what are we going to do about it? And the union replied, Sarah, don't you care about your residence?

And that's when I knew that I had to stay quiet because I'm a single mom of three in a lot of dead. I had two jobs, could only work one because they didn't want us to go from a nursing home to another place. So I stayed quiet for a little bit. And I saw my residents deteriorate big time. I mean, when you live in a nursing home, when you're in a nursing home, it's the last stop. And the only thing these people have to look forward to is their families. You see them come to life when their families come around and they didn't have that. So what happened to these people?

Well, you know, some of our residents don't eat from us. They only eat from their families. Well, what happened to them? It's called failure to thrive. They stop eating and they deteriorate and they let themselves go. I saw one of my residents had a heart attack within one week. She had high anxiety and heart problems and she needed to see her family every day. and when asked me every five minutes what time her daughter was coming.

And if her daughter was two minutes late, she would freak out. She died within a week of a heart attack. People are like, it's a coincidence, Sarah. You don't know. Whatever. But then it got even worse because they started testing us. And three housekeeping where I worked tested positive with no symptoms. And everybody had to stay in their rooms.

And that was even much, that was much worse. Obviously, I don't think people realize, but what do you think? they do to these people when they don't listen. They medicate them, right? And so they were said to have behaviors if they didn't want to follow the rules and they would medicate them if some of them, and there's language barriers. These residents do not understand what on earth was going on. And so some of them were very resistant.

And so if you were resistant and you had a walker and you wanted to walk in the hallway, they would take your walker away to keep you in your room. And then that's really messed up because then these people stop walking. They're at risk for falls. They're alone in their rooms. They even eat alone in their rooms, which is what, like they eat in a dining room so that the nurse can watch over them and make sure no one's choking, right? I've heard stories of people choked in their rooms by themselves during these lockdowns.

So anyways, long story short, I couldn't handle it anymore. My mental health was deteriorating because I've done a lot of heal. work. I have a lot of trauma in my past. And I knew I healed myself. I had, I actually was diagnosed with fibromyalgia in 2017, but I won't go too much into that. But it made me realize how corrupt and ineffective the medical industry was. And it was, I actually healed myself from fibromyalgia, which they said was a long-term disability by detoxifying. What is fibromyalgia? fibromyalgia is actually something that more and more people, I think now they are saying about 5% of the population is having symptoms.

So it's extreme fatigue, lots of nerve pains, and along with any other symptom in the book you can think of. And in Canada, it's known to be a long-term disability, you know, because, and they don't really know what it is. So I did tests for two years. I thought I was going to die. Like literally, I had problems with my bladder, my back. bowel. I was feeling bugs crawling on my skin. I was in so much pain. They thought I had rheumatoid arthritis. They thought I had endometriosis. Like everything, I was blanking out. I was losing balance. I was starting to have difficulties swallowing. I thought I had ALS,

honestly. And I was like, I'm going to die before they figure out what's wrong with me. So I did my own research and found out about fibromyalgia. And around the same time. What was it? Do you mind me asking what was the tipping point where you're like, you know what, I'm just going to start doing, like, was it just pain? And, you know, like, I just got to start reading something, try and figure this out. Like, what was the tipping point where you're like, I got to find something out?

Because this is brutal. I can work. So I can get out of bed. I was literally starting to buy things, equipment to, like, help me. I can hold my hand up too long. I was exhausted. I was exhausted laying down in bed. So I wanted to, I bought something to, like, help me hold my hands while I was

typing. in bed or so it became like i could i can do anything and i'm a single mom and i was like this can't how old are you kids um well they're older now 16 17 and 25 um but how many years ago is this this was about six years ago yeah yeah so a 10 year old and and an 11 year old and what a 19 year old essentially yes anyways it doesn't matter you're you're you're a mom you know kids no matter if they're 25 or 19 or 10 still need their mom. I get it. Yeah, and I couldn't work and I couldn't pay my bills and, you know, I'm a single mom. So I had to, you know, I had to figure out something. And I knew I had a lot of problems. So when I researched, I found out about fibromyalgia and how it's

about toxicity. So toxicity could be anything in your food and the water and the air and the medications and vaccines. But also toxicity is anything that causes stress in your body. So if you you have a lot of trauma or unresolved emotions, that would cause for your fight or flight to go off a lot. And that's what fibromyalgia is, is that your body can't rest and digest and restore and repair. Right? Because even when you're sleeping, you're in fight or flight. So what the medical industry did when they diagnosed me, they wanted to give me pills. They wanted to give me painkillers.

And I have addictive behaviors. So I was like, really? You guys know I have issues. Like you want to give me painkillers? sleeping pills, hormones, you know, they wanted to give me some for my bladder, like different band-aid medications for different things. And because I did my research and found out it was about toxicity, I realized that this was going to make me much worse.

And that's what happens is that people take these pills, they feel better. And then they become tolerant and they need a higher dose, higher dose, higher dose, until you can't get a higher dose anymore. And it is a long-term disability. So I decided to go to the root cause. and I went, joined a support group for sexual abuse survivors. And I started doing my trauma work. And from there, I literally, you know, I found out that I wasn't alone.

A lot of the shame of what I had done, you know, I released it because I understood that, oh, everything I'm doing is normal for what I've been through. I got sober. I lost 60 pounds. I started eating organic food. I started going to the gym instead of drinking and smoking. And I completely changed my life. And next thing you know, within a year,

I didn't have any symptoms of fibromyalgia and I was in the best shape of my life. So that's when I knew the medical industry was like I started really, my eyes started opening. Like I'm harming people. What are my residents eating powdered eggs? You know, why am I giving this resident this pill? Like they don't need this. This is the problem as the pill. So everything started not making sense.

And I actually found it then lighting up dark corners. I was facilitating programs at the gatehouse where I did the programs. And I started noticing that a lot of people with trauma had somatic illnesses like fibromyalgia. And I was telling them what I did and they were getting better. So I founded lighting up dark corners to empower people to go to the root cause of their problems, their mental health issues. Can I, you've said it twice now. And I want to make sure I'm hearing this correctly. and I find it an interesting phrase, lighting up the corners.

Dark corners. Lighting up the dark corners. Apologies. Yes. Where did you, was that something that you internalized? You just like, or is that something you read or is that, or where did you get that from? I don't really know. There was a song called Dark Corners that I really liked.

And I was like, ooh. And also, people that know me and follow me know I write a lot of posts about my life, my past. and I like to be very vulnerable and raw. And light up those dark corners that no one wants to talk about so that people who have gone through this don't feel alone. So I just thought it was perfect. It took me a while, but when I came up with it, I knew that was like. I like that, yeah, lighting up the dark corners.

You know, it kind of reminds me of, I'm sure you've heard of this man, Paul Brandt, the country music star here in Canada. He talks about child trafficking. It's maybe like it's just, It's one of those subjects is very, very uncomfortable for me. Like I just, I'm just, oh, anyways, I'm just, well, anyways, I was just, I was floored that Alberta had any issues with that. And he said something about, you know, things like that get to survive because they're

kept in the dark, right? Like nobody, they don't want you to know what's going on. And he goes, it's funny, when you shine a light on it, it just goes away because they, they scurry to, you know, a dark corner again to kind of like hide out there and, and act like they're not there anymore. even though it's going on. And I was like, oh, you need to light it up. Yeah, like that makes sense to me.

And lighting up the dark corners, Sarah, it's just a nice way of putting it. Honestly, it makes complete sense. Yes. And it's my whole world is like that now. It's all about lighting up dark corners. And so to go back to the nursing, we, we, so, you know, I wasn't too serious with lighting up their corners because I had two nursing jobs and I was kind of comfortable, even though I wanted to get out of the nursing,

you know, I was tired. I was working two jobs, going to the gym and my kids and blah, blah, blah. And so, but I healed because I started standing in my truth. I started shedding light onto my dark corners so that I can see them and take care of them, right? And so. I hate to pull you back on this.

I'm going to do it one more time because for me, and I assume the listener too, I just, I'm really curious about what makes a person tick and how they got from that stage of life to where you are. And you've done, I think, a phenomenal job of explaining a lot of what you've gone through. What was one of the dark corners you didn't want to light up that you finally did and, you know, you just, because I think if you're listening to this and you have, we all have something that we don't want to talk about or don't want to go into or whatever it is, And it kind of controls us, you know? It kind of like holds over.

It's a stress on your shoulders that you don't realize is there until you just like get it off. Once you get it off, you kind of like, huh, I feel a lot better. I guess I'm curious if you're willing to share what was one of the dark corners that, you know, was sitting there that you really didn't. And if it's COVID, that's totally fine. I just was kind of curious about that. I have a lot of stuff in my past.

And I drank for most of my life, like big time. So I have, I'm a, and I'm very open, so there's no dark corners for me at this point. But I'm an incest survivor. I've been raped several times. Oh, man. I used to beg at the subway to get my fix. One of the big things was that my parents didn't do what they were supposed to. I think that was the hardest one for me.

We create these fantasy stories in our life. Oh, no, no, my mom was always there for me. but then no my mom caused a lot of my trauma they neglected me you start learning about trauma and how it works and then you start looking at like what the like yeah oh my god my parents always said I was a big troublemaker but really it's because they weren't there for me and I needed their attention so I got attention everywhere else I think that was a big one for me and people would think well you were raped you were you know I'm a domestic violence survivor I raised my kids myself from when I was 28 years old.

So they were like 10, 2, and 1 back then. And I just kept drinking. And as I kept drinking, I kept like disrespecting myself or betraying myself by going with people that didn't care about me, you know, just letting people take advantage of me. And the abuse kept happening again and again. And I was surrounded by all toxic people that I was trying to save. So all these, all these things.

but really, you know, I had to figure out how to get sober. I think that was the hardest part for me. And I apologize. I'm going to keep jumping in. When you say getting sober was the hardest thing, what was the turning point or what was the epiphany moment of like, oh? So, yeah. So what saved me as a support group that I went through.

Because there I found out I was brave enough to share my story and I realized that I helped other people while I was sharing my story and that I wasn't alone. And that felt really good for me. And I think from there, I just kept going. Like I just have no shame. And if I am ashamed of something, I will actually talk about it because it means that other people are carrying this shame too. So and getting the tools and knowledge I needed to understand what was happening. to me really help me get sober, but really it's the support group and getting the tools. And that's why I run programs now, support group programs exactly like that, to give the people

the tools and knowledge they need to do their healing journey instead of them depending on a therapist that really it's kind of superficial. People need the tools and knowledge. People, you know, at Canadian frontline nurses, we don't believe that people are patients. When you're a patient, you're a victim, you're flawed, you can't heal yourself. We believe that people are active participants in their care. And when they're ready to heal, then we're here to educate and guide them to do that. And that's exactly what lighting up their corners is as I run programs and make sure people don't feel alone and they can share their story.

And when you start opening up and you have the right tools and knowledge, you can go on and continue your life and continue to grow from there on your own as you live. right? Because everything that's happening is actually happening in your head momentarily. So you're going to the therapist. It's not necessarily happening then and you're not necessarily talking about what's going on in the moment in your head. So it's really about giving people tools and knowledge to what do I do with these thoughts? How do I control my thoughts? How do I, you know, so really learning the tools and knowledge you need to heal yourself. So that's how I and it started slowly but and I and I when I stopped drinking and smoking I started going to the gym so you will have to find you know something to replace that

time that you were putting into like drinking or doing other things. But yeah I think for me the support group really helped me and now I run my own all about going to the root cause and trying to get people off these medications because trauma actually anything that disconnects you from yourself. And healing is reconnecting to your true self. And if you have trauma, trauma

is not what people think it is. It doesn't have to be that you've been raped. It could be trauma that when you were a kid, your mom worked all the time and you internalize that you weren't good enough or you weren't priority, you weren't important enough, you weren't lovable because as children, it's not

rational as an adult, but we actually take those false beliefs and carry them all throughout our lives, right? And it affects everything. So everybody has trauma. I think it's part of life where you're supposed to work on your pain and turn it into wisdom. And so I don't know why I went, why I'm talking about this at this point. No, no, because I think if the audience would agree that I kind of led you to this point. I find it really interesting. I'd had a, I think it was Alex Epstein who said, you know, he learned at a young age, one of the things he stands behind, which will be your

final question towards the end here, was at 18, he decided at a young age he wasn't going to lie to himself. And when I hear about Usain trauma and different things, it's, we concoct these things where we can get away with little white lies or that society doesn't want us to say certain things and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And this feeling of aloneness is what so many of us felt through COVID. It doesn't matter the choice you made. Everybody felt it because we were isolated. And I've known this for quite some time about, you know, the psychology of human beings and how we're social creatures. And then we locked each other away from everyone. And you're locked inside your head with dark thoughts and everything else. And what comes to that?

Not good things. And I go back to Alex Epstein and he was talking about, I'm just not going to lie to myself anymore. And I'm like, wow, that's it. That's an interesting thought. Because then you have to talk about it because if you're not going to lie about things, that means you have to be truthful and you have to talk about things openly instead of like shielding away. And what that does is it allows other people to realize. And I think this is kind of what you're talking about is now they're like, oh, you have that thought too or you've gone through that.

And now you start to open up that we're not all alone in this world because for a while there, we all felt it. I don't think anyone escaped that feeling. Exactly. That's exactly what it is. And I love what he says because I stand by the same thing. It's all about standing in truth. And the reason why I went back and talked about that part of mine story is because

working in a nursing home and not speaking my truth because I was scared to lose my job was really making me deteriorate. And my mental health deteriorate. I started smoking weed again, like excessively. And still, like I was so not well. I decided, you know what? I don't care what they do to me because at that point it was like October 2020. I was like, they're going to kill if a nurse comes out and speaks out.

Like, I was looking at Aaron and Nicole Serotech in the States, and I was like, oh, they're in big trouble. But at that point, I was like, I don't care what they do to me. I don't want this job if they're going to take it from me. But I also felt like I was Chief Stewart and I was like, they can't take this job from me. I know what I'm doing. It's funny. It's funny. I don't know you got my brain firing on all cylinders this morning.

at the lowest part of COVID for me. I've had different people say that this podcast saved their life, and I try and always, I don't know what to do with that. I always say in return that while you listening and giving me feedback, really, really pulled me out of some dark times. And the dark times, when I think about it, was like, pouring myself a drink at 9 in the morning to go to work, right? Because I'm just like, I'm in this world where I can't say any of my own thoughts

because everybody looks at you like you're insane. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, that sounds, I want to be very clear here. It wasn't like Sean was going to work hammered. But at the same time, I was starting to lean. And the reason I was starting to lean is because it didn't matter anymore. It didn't matter what, you know, like I was just viewed as such a, what is the word, Sarah? I don't even know, right?

Like, just don't say anything. Because if you say anything, you're going to get everybody stirred up. And I'm like, but are you watching what's going on? Because I feel like nobody's watching. And every time I open my mouth, it isn't a fun time anymore. And for a social guy, that was. like those were hard moments. I'm sure you have your own hard moments to lean back on.

Yeah, exactly. So at that point, you know, I realize I need to stand in my truth no matter what. So I'm like, you know, I'm the same. I don't,

I don't lie. I try to never lie to myself or to others. And that's how I live my life. And that's a very powerful way. That's when you stay aligned with yourself and you become very powerful. Because people are like, oh my God, how did you do what you did?

And I was like, because I did my work. So what I did is I spoke out. And I was the first nurse to speak out in Canada at a rally. And I founded nurses against lockdowns. And all my fears came true. You know, I was fired right away. And we weren't put under investigation right away. Actually, when I spoke out, Kristen Nagel saw me and reached out to me.

And then we teamed up and we went to the states to meet the other nurses. And we found a global frontline nurses. and we wanted every country to have a chapter. So Kristen and I came back and we were the pilot chapter. So Canadian frontline nurses, that's how it came about. And when we came back, we were coming back from Washington, D.C. on January 6th. So we were one block from the Capitol speaking at a freedom and health summit. And we were kind of like pulled into like the whole we broke in the Capitol thing.

So when we came back, we were put under investigation. I lost my second job. We were defamed international. called domestic terrorists by some, there was hundreds of death threats. We even had the RCMP come knock on our door. So that was kind of a scary moment, but it didn't stop us. I mean, we've already come this far. And so we kept advocating.

We've been through across the country a few times. We were the ones who organized the National Hospital protests in September of 2021. that was really quite successful, but the media again. Well, I remember that. And I may have been the guy. So let's talk about that for a second. I may have been one of them going, why protest at the hospital?

The optics of it are going to be poor because what they're going to do is, you know, they're going to say like, well, sick people can't get in and why are they doing this? And I can't remember every talking point. You certainly remember it. Why protest at the hospitals? Yeah, so we protested everywhere else that no one was paying attention.

But it also came to the fact we had thousands and thousands of, I do the social media for Canadian frontline nurses, and it was crazy, the flood of nurses that were coming in and that didn't want to get vaccinated and, you know, that were being coerced and we were trying to, like, help them out. And then we decided, like, why not do a hospital protest? And I think it's important for people to know every city. We always call the police and work with them.

So no entrance of any hospital was blocked. I mean, nurses were striking, protesting at the hospital a few weeks ago. And after our protest, there was a new law put in that you can't protest near hospitals. But what people don't realize is also we were standing in solidarity with the nurses inside who, maybe they, all of them. Maybe they were overworked and believed in the narrative and hated us, but we were still there for them, knowing what was going on. But we were also there with the nurses that were inside that were being corrupted and mandated to take the vaccine. We wanted to bring awareness to people. And so what better a place to do that at the hospital where people are like, what?

There's nurses that are not with this because we're so censored everywhere, right? So that's why we did it at hospitals is to really bring awareness to the public, stand in solidarity with the nurses that were about to lose. So many nurses were about to lose their jobs because they had to take the vaccine. So that's what it was really all about.

And there was absolutely no one blocked from going to their appointments. There was even in Vancouver, I think they made it like a show where an ambulance passed through the crowd I think a lot of people saw that footage and it was just that it was just footage because the ER was at the back

and they literally did not have to pass through any crowds they actually did that as a show to show that oh these protests are you know stopping people from going in so you know in that thought you just think of somebody was sitting there going how can we put them in a bad light let's put an ambulance through and show that they're holding up things and we'll throw that story on every news channel and

they'll be hated on and let me tell you it worked because and you know this is more than probably I even do but like that visual and nobody looks into the story right like nobody looks in the story and it's funny I sit here and I talk to how many different people about all these different stories and I can get caught up just as well as anyone can get caught up in the visual of something and not looked deeper into it and you know it's funny to hear you talk about it is is like where was where was Sarah when Sean was roaming around talking different people or why didn't Sean find a way to get because it's funny a Canadian frontline nurses when you guys came through you ladies came through I remember trying to get one of

you on and I don't know what ever happened with that but those were crazy times back then so I can't hold myself or yourself or anyone else because at the end of the day everybody was just trying to tread water to stay above, you know, going down with the ship, so to speak. Yes. And, you know, the hospital protests were so, they were actually successful. We were like Winnipeg, Vancouver never had big crowds like that. And it was really across the country. But as you said, even people that were with us were now getting annoyed at us because we did it two times in a row, like two weeks. you know, we did it September 1st and again, September 13th. And now our own people were turning against us and saying that we were messing up the movement

because the media was, you know, destroying us. We were already used to that because that happened when we went to Washington. And we know that we're so censored. That's actually how people find us is when the media. Yeah, Lambasia. Yeah. So we were seeing it like that, but people were really not happy with us. And we decided to stop.

Plus, you know, I was put on global news in Toronto, and like I was swarmed by the media, and they put me on the news, and they put a picture of a girl with a gun after presenting me as the co-founder of Canadian frontline nurses, saying, because there was this lady who is not a Canadian frontline nurses, who was claiming on Twitter that she was, and that she was going to, like, bring your guns,

and we're going to break into hospitals and show people that COVID is, And so they put that right like that was the news, right? Like this is what these people are doing. They're trying to kill COVID patients on top of it. And so after that, like obviously the death threats go sky high after that. But our address was leaked. There was a bounty put on our heads that day.

What do you mean a bounty? I don't know. Someone put $5,000 bounty for our heads. and I was like, I was like, 5,000. I think I'm worth more than that. So when you're, you know, you seem like you tell you right now, you know, looking back on it, you're a relatively positive move about having your address leaked, having death threats, like just come in.

At that point in time, you're like, holy man, like this is, like, were you seeing things around the house, like pick up people driving by different things like that? Or was it kind of like a lot of noise and no action? I was used to it by then. Like I said, I run the social media, so there's a lot of people are really mean. And just from like the first time I spoke out and, you know, I kind of used to it.

Now I see death threats and I just delete it and block. But the first, when I first spoke out and the death threats started coming and I hadn't really met up with Kristen yet, I have a lot of trauma. So, and, you know, my ex tried to kill me before. So I have a lot of, like, I've been in, like, so much crap. What do you mean? Sarah's learning something about me this morning, folks.

When you say your ex tried to kill you, what do you mean? Like, he literally tried, like. I mean, there was one, well, there was one incident where he pulled me down from the stairs by my hair all the way. down and dragged me by my hair into the room and started strangling me and locked the door. Luckily, my sister-in-law was there and she was able to unlock the door and he stopped. But my eyes were rolling behind my head and he was telling me that this is when I was going to die. And my kids were actually two and one shaking over me, waking up from their nap.

And I remember thinking that's it. but then he also told me after like he's told me many times if I annoy him he's going to put me in my grave and this and that and I guess that's one of the things that made me stronger because I left him and you know he brought me through the courts tried to get spousal support when I was taking care of the kids and so I knew that any time he can show up maybe drunk or and and do something stupid so I've lived with the fear of dying before and I went through that and actually he lost in court. I don't think anyone wins when it comes to families. But he left the country since 2013, which was actually a big blessing. But I became much more powerful after going

through that because I went through my fears. And I started, that's when I became Chief Stewart of the Union. I started building a brokerage with World Financial Group. I became president of the school council. You know, I started facilitating groups. I became very empowered. And I think that happened to me for me to be able to be like yeah I'm really scared of speaking out right now but on the other side of this it's very powerful and I need to do it and that's so it helped me speak out when I actually did because people were like oh my god how did you do that well I did that because I know nothing is worth not standing in my truth and you know on the other side of fear is everything you ever wanted and so we need to get over our fears and start facing them it's very very

important. That's how we grow. You're a lady who's seen some of the darkest parts of the world, in my humble opinion. Like, you've rattled off like six or seven different things that I'm just like, oh, man, that's some heavy, heavy stuff. And for you to be, you know, honestly, Sarah, like, open is certainly one, but like in such a positive manner is, I don't know the right word, but like inspiring or cool or I don't know it's just like it's it's it's really unique to see someone just be so open about like you know like I you've you've lived some some tough situations and to to pulled yourself out of it and be on the other side and now you know to have death threats and everything else coming in you know as we go through the story of Canadian frontline nurses like

it's I can see where you're like, yeah, just bring it. Like, let's carry on, you know, like, this ain't nothing new. And if you're going to speak your truth and stand in it, you might as well, uh, you just bring what you got and let's, let's carry on. Like that's, I mean, for for Kristen, you know, who was on the podcast, you know, a while back now, but not, uh, for the listener, geez, it's in the last probably six months. Like, for her to have you and find her or vice versa, however you two come to meet, like, what, What an ally to have of like, don't worry about this. We got this.

Yeah. I don't know what I would have done without Kristen because like I said before she reached out and I was getting all those threats. I was kind of hiding in my room for like a month. My kids were like with it because I'm very like active. I always have to work or and so then I was fired. I was in my room and I was like only on social media reading like what people were telling me looking at.

Oh my God. Like is this guy coming to kill me and looking out my window? Like it was dark. And then Kristen came and then yeah. We kind of like really kindred souls or something. Yeah. Well, fast forward here to today. You know, Canadian frontline nurses, I've seen the SOS, if you would, kind of go up,

some different things coming up. What's going on today? You know, like, you know, where we sit. It sounds like I can't believe it's, you know, gone this long. But, you know, May 11th, the U.S. is finally taking down. it's you must be vaccinated to enter which I mean is insane to me is just insane that it's gone this long but you know so be it here we are most people I think have moved on from COVID I think certainly it's opened a lot of eyes of like watching what's going on and

seeing different things play out but bring us up to speed Sarah with where things are at so you know And as I said, we advocated for a few years. And then we realized that, yeah, advocating only goes so far. We actually need to create the world that we want to see. So we are creating a new health care paradigm all based on bringing care back into the community. So getting people out of the hospitals, out in the nursing homes, and bringing care back into the community from birth to death. Because I don't know if you know.

But giving birth in a hospital is actually much more dangerous than giving birth in a community these days and causes a lot of trauma. So I think it's Kristen who wanted me to have, and I hope I'm getting this right, is there a Bonnie? Is it Bonnie? I think it's Bonnie about homebirths. And I'm just like, why would you ever do that? You're about to tell me why I should do that.

I mean, thankfully, we've had three kids and no more, but for, I could see it. You're like, oh yeah, you shouldn't, why? Why? Well, okay. So it's a lot safer. First of all, the whole, because now I'm so big on, like, I'm very passionate about trauma, psychology. And what happens is like babies are supposed to be born not like in the air in a cold place

with a huge light on them, taken away from their mother. It's freezing, putting stuff in their eyes, giving them a shot. These are all traumatic things for a child. Already going through the birth canal is a challenge, especially if there was. we're stuck or anything like that. We don't realize, but these things cause imprints in us. And even though we don't have words or emotions or we don't know that we have it, this is an imprint that your body will protect you from all your life.

So right away, like the safety of the world is not there. So that's why when you give birth and plus now in the hospital, it's all about like they want you to have a C-sections. C-sections are like almost every. It's like, do you want a C-section? We can do that for you. People don't realize, like, it's very important that the baby goes through the canal.

There's hormones that are exchanged there that help the mother bond with the child. There's, you know, it's a protection. There's so many things that are taken away. And plus, like the way, like I said, the way they do it. Like, everything is a C-Sect. We've been lied to for a lot of things. you know, the cord doesn't have and shouldn't be cut right away because still a lot of the nutrients are going to the baby. Babies can stay in the, you know, in a certain position for more than a few minutes.

Actually, they know what to do. Our bodies know what to do. And that's the whole system, like, makes you think like our bodies are flawed. They don't know what to do. No, our bodies heal themselves and our bodies are created divinely. and it's very important to keep that. So giving a birth at home where you don't have all these other people taking away your child, you know,

you have the child with you right away. You get to keep the child the whole time. It's really important. Even all the noise, the lights, like everything that they do, if they think you have a little jaundice, they might give you another drug or there's so many ways in which they

traumatize this. Like inducing is really bad. All these things are really bad for us. And, you know, we're not aware of it. Kristen would be a lot better to talk about this. Well, I'm going to go back through my emails. I'm going to respond. And I tell you what, I assuming people are like,

this sounds interesting, which I assume they will, because I'm like, I don't get it. I remember talking with one of my best friends, him and his wife were talking about having an at-home birth. And I was like, you guys are insane. Like, I just can't imagine. I cannot imagine doing that. Well, I was just like you.

Right? Once I came out, I met so many people that have been censored and that I've been... Well, that's the thing. The reason I'm even remotely interested in it is I'm like, just another thing that I got to explore at some point, right, when Sean is ready. And he's just like, yep, here we go. Because right now, at times it's an overload of information. And you have to be careful of that as well, right?

Like it's like the world's out to get us all. It's like no. And just over time, we've changed things. And they've added up to where we're at. And there's a lot of wisdom in past generations. And the further you look back, you know, I tell this story from time to time. But I remember thinking like, and we're the smartest generation and we're so smart. Or whatever.

I don't know how exactly I thought it. But just like we were better than generations before. us and it's like I don't subscribe to that anymore I you know I think we're pretty much the same bloody people it's just now we have we're more technologically advanced so we think we're smarter when in fact like people were geniuses back a hundred years ago to survive in my climate that I'm currently sitting at and survive and be happy and have kids and everything else and you just it's hard to comprehend because we've come so far in the sense of like technological advances in the last hundred a hundred

100 years, let alone the last, what, three, 400 years, and you can certainly extrapolate that on and on and on and on. Yes, absolutely. So is there wisdom in having a birth at home? Guaranteed there is. Yes. Guaranteed, yes. And then why die in an institution?

Like, that's messed up too. Why not die at home surrounded by your loved ones, your belongings? And why not celebrate life while you're still alive with everyone there? Right? And make it a transition like that. Like, why not celebrate life while the person's still alive? And so that's what we're trying to do. You think cultures that have, how am I trying to say this,

where they have the parents and they have kids and then they have their parents live in the same house. You know, I'm like, I can never do that. And yet having your parents around your kids in that interaction and just like the different generations all living under the same house, taking care and all the different, you think that's like, oh, that's brilliant or are you like? Okay. I think that's brilliant. I think that's the way it's supposed to be, but I think that we've been so, we're so disconnected that a lot of families become dysfunctional at this point.

Like, I try to stay a little bit far from my parents. So that wouldn't work very well for me, because. because I'm trying to protect the next generation from having more. So when you get older then, Sarah, instead of dying in an institution, what do you hope to do? I hope I get old. At this point, I don't know where I'm going to happen to me. But whatever happens, if I get there, that'll be great. I don't know.

I don't really think about those things because there's so much going on right now. Isn't that true? When I was working in a nursing home before the pandemic, I was like, ah, you guys, don't worry about me. Just put me in a nursing home and like, I'll be all right, whatever. And now I'm like, no, no. They'll kill me in there for sure. But I don't know.

I can't even imagine or picture it now because I'm like, am I going to be in the woods in two, three years? Like, what's going to happen? So it's really hard for me to conceive of that, but I'd like to stay healthy and capable and, you know, pass down wisdom to my kids for as long as I can. And like I said, I'm really big on breaking the intergenerational trauma.

So I really listen to my kids. And if they bring up something that they think I've done and that in their childhood that made them feel a certain way, even though I feel like I didn't do that, I will listen and I will accept and I will try to find solutions and not do that again. And so hopefully my kids will love me still at that point, even though I have a big personality and I'm a lot at this point. And they're like, we're not taking care of you.

But hopefully they will. And, you know, we'll see. But that's how it's supposed to be. You're supposed to have people of all kinds of different age in the same home, you know, raising the child and all this. But our, we're so like we've come so far. we've disconnected from our true nature so much that now it's like almost if you you know I can I can't live with all my family they don't want to live with me anyways um but it's I think it's supposed to be that way but sometimes like for me for example I'm like I have to break this cycle well my parents can't come into my house and start bringing their toxic stuff and putting it on to my kids right and so uh so it really depends I think, yes, we are supposed to all live together and, you know, take care of each other.

But our society is so toxic. People are so individual. Like, people are so selfish these days. Like a lot of narcissistic behaviors are actually said to be great. And so I think that because of that, like, there's so much toxicity that actually living with your whole family can create a lot of trauma. So it really depends on the family, right? I'm just because I'm coming from a place where I've done so much work and I see very well that, you know, because if you don't deal with your trauma, you're not wise. Like I look at my parents and it's like the little kids in them are running around, like are running the show and they're putting their crap on me and I'm trying to like parent them, you know.

And so it's, you know, it really depends. I don't know if I answered your question. I just you know it's it's a thought you know like I don't think I can safely say for me when I get older I hope I don't you know I I don't want to die in an institution and I would I would I would further that by saying I need to take care of myself so that isn't the only option yes or you become such a burden on your family or or whoever where that's like I just can't anymore and that's where you end up and and and so you know that that takes you know when you think about that now you're planning for when you're like like you say i hope i get old it's like well you know so now you're planning for when you're you know i don't know 80 90 what what is old i don't even you know i used to say i used to think 37 is old today as we record this sarah is my birthday i just turned 37 and i'm like i feel like i am 20 i know my body does not respond like i'm 20 but i'm like i i can't get over how young 37

feels. And I know I have people reach out to me about 60 and they're like, careful what you say about 60 because it's the same thing. And you're like, oh, okay? So I'm just going to stop saying there's, you know, an age where you're old. But in our society, when you hit, I don't know, I don't know what it is. Is it 80? Is it 90s? Whatever it is. There comes a certain time that you're viewed that way by society. And it's up to you not to, you know, treat yourself the proper way and take care of yourself so that they can't do anything to you. Because, you know, like, if you got a sound mind and your body still works and you going around, people will notice that and they won't push you there.

But that takes a lot of forethought and a lot of planning and a lot of hard work not to get to that point. Exactly. Exactly. And, but that's what we should be doing, right? We should be taking care of ourselves, our health, our mental health, spiritually and, you know, making sure we're passing this down to the next generations because this is how we're going to stop this whole thing.

I mean, the system is the way it is because we, generation after generation, advanced to this point. We're going to have to, you know, take action and change it. It's not just going to change on its own and it's getting worse now. Like, their disconnect kids have like pronouns. Those are personality disorders. Those are like they are disconnecting kids like on another level. It's crazy. No, it's, yes.

It's, I don't know. It's so much, right? Like, I, I, I, when I, when I think about it, I'm just like, whew. And then I just try and drop back into, you know, I was saying this the other day. And Nicole was asked me, she was the interview right before you, she was asking about full-time podcasting and what it's done for me. And I'm like, I don't know, I've never been closer to my wife, my kids. I really see clearly how employing.

the family unit is. And in society, there's lots of different places the family unit is like very forefront and like this is what healthy relationships look like, but you see a lot of what's going on in society elsewhere and you're like, you don't see it like out there as a role model of this is what you should be striving for. And right now with my kids as young as they are, I'm just like, got to be really protective of that. Show them what family looks like, how you stick together, what a wife and a husband is supposed to look like in my mind and and and you know how you treat one another and all these different things. You know, it took a it's taken a lot of work. I sound like I have it all together at times. I'm just another parent holding on for dear life. You know, as with a they the kids go and are screaming their heads off and everything else. You're like, how did I get here? Holy man. But I, you know, like to me, there's not a whole lot of institutions that are like this is what family is supposed to look like. It's actually going further and further away from that. Yeah, I'm reading a great book now, by the way. It's called Nature and the Human Soul,

and I think our parent should read it. It's really interesting. Really? What is it about that book that sticks out to you? It's like a book that goes through the cycle of life, and it's like eight phases, and it's like infants. It goes on, like, it talks about it's a book to help, because we're in an egocentric world,

it's a book to help us go back to soul-centered. So it's quite interesting. And there's like eight phases and how in each phases of your life, where you're supposed to be, what's the healthy way of being? You know, for example, kids under five, you have two responsibilities as a parent, is to make sure they're safe and that they feel safe.

So maybe putting kids in a crib is, not a good idea. No other mammals do that. Maybe you want to keep your child as close to you as possible for as long as possible. So keeping the child's safe, making sure they feel safe in this world, like not causing too much trauma, there's always going to be some. But also very important is to make sure they have a healthy ego. So don't take away their essence.

Don't say no to them. Don't mold them into what you want them to be. Let them be free to be who they are as much as possible. as long as they're safe and they're not hurting themselves or anybody else. That's probably the toughest thing about being a parent, isn't it? You don't want to say no, but you have to say no, and you don't want to crush their little soul sometimes, but sometimes you're just like, what are you doing? You're killing me here, man.

Yeah. And it's such a, you know, like, what did Mel say to me the other night? You know, it's like, you just got to try and do the best you can because parenting is, oh man, some days it is a battle. Like it is just like you just another day is like this is the greatest job under the sun. I can't imagine my life without these three speaking myself in particular, right? But man, they test, they know how to push your buttons. And it doesn't, I don't know about you, Sarah, but on this side, I'm trying to think of like how old Casey was or Mila maybe in particular. I find we have two boys and a girl.

Okay. And the girl, Mila, she could push my buttons at probably a year. She just knew how to work me. It's interesting. And the boys are different. But in saying that, at a certain point, they all know what makes dad tick, and they find ways to push on that. And you're like, how is it possible that such a young human being can absolutely know

what makes me tick both ways and can work me which way? And I see them doing it to my wife, too, and it's funny to watch. It's another thing to be a part of. But little human beings are little interesting creatures, if I may say so. Absolutely. I agree. Oh, man, this is turned into parenting 101. Yeah, yeah.

I can go back to, okay, because we are creating a new healthcare paradigm, and I won't go too much into that, but we are trying. to get nurses out of the system and for them to find their true purpose and passion and offer a different kind of care. So for example, I'm a good example of that. Like my purpose and passion is mental health. So I've created programs to help people go to the root cause and get off these medications and heal like for real. I also took a cancer prevention and reversal coaching program and I, you know, because cancer is a usually a very emotional illness where you you have tension in your body because you were holding on to some crap.

And so, so like I can help people with cancer instead of giving them chemo that actually makes them sicker. So let's put it. Let's put it here. If people are interested in what you do, where can they find you first? Yeah. So Canadianfrontlineurances.ca.

So we have two memberships. We have a membership for nurses, which is $100 a year. They get advertised on our directory. they have access to discount, like for example, the Cancer Reversal Coaching Certificate. If they're interested, they can get $500 off. We also have webinars to educate people,

but the webinars are also available to public members. And to be a public member, it's $50 a year. Obviously, you have access to our directory. But like we said, we want to make people independent. So they have access to webinars, for example. Last night we had, it's every other Monday. So last night we had Tanya the Herbalist. A lot of people know who she is.

And she came and spoke about herbs. And then we upload and how to heal with herbs and what you can do. Or we had Chris Beats Cancer come talk about how to meet cancer or how to cure diabetes from Dr. Camelpritt. So always people that can teach you how to empower you to be healthy and preventative care. And if you are sick, what you can do and all these things. And people have access to that. And they also have access to workshops. And we know, we're just starting out.

We want it to be more. For example, my workshop, How to Recover from fibromyalgia, is free for public members. And if they go to Canadianfrontlineurces.ca, they can find, like, this is the best way. So if you're watching, I just put it on the bottom of the screen. If you're listening, it'll be in the show notes.

That's a good start for people to get, if they haven't heard about you. And I got to assume so much of my audience, heard about exactly who you ladies are and saying that I didn't realize some of the stuff you're offering so it's even news to me and a person should really go to canadian frontline nurses.ca and have a look around yes please and then I guess I'll go to our legal battles now sure yeah yeah I mean that was the whole purpose Sarah of having you on it's funny I get down rabbit holes and but that's that's the fun of a podcast right yeah I want to learn about each

every guest. You know, every guest has a little bit of wisdom they can add to a person's life. And I don't think the chat to this point has been very dull, in my opinion, right? It's been like, holy dinah, this is okay. Anyways, legal battles. Update us where Canadian frontline nurses is at and what challenges you're facing. Yes. So the big challenge that we have right now, well, we have a, we've done a defamation case because we were defamed so much after the hospital protest that we decided to go after the Canadian Nurses Association and Together News. We would have gone to bigger outlets,

but you have to apply within a certain amount of time, and that didn't happen. So we went after them and asked for, did a $1 million libel, and they turned around and gave us a slap. And I don't know what acronym slap is for, but it really felt like a slap and said, no, you guys are going to pay us.

And so the, you know, the courts are so corrupt. So we have that. we are also the first to go against the federal government for putting up the emergency measures act so we have that in court but a big case right now and that's more relevant to nurses is my disciplinary hearing with the college of nurses of Ontario so when I first because I was like the first to speak out and founded nurses against lockdowns I'm the first one to be disciplined and so the investigations the foreign investigations are now turned into a discipline and the disciplinary hearing was supposed to be

seven days are experts against theirs and it's taking forever the cno is just taking there all the time so now it's up to 14 days but it's it's a really important case and it's a public case it's live streamed on youtube but unfortunately the cno is not letting out the links and are asking people to actually have to email at a hearings administration group at cno mail.org and they have to ask for the links referring to my public hearing and what happened is a lot of people were blocked and then they said well no one's ever asked for our links so much so our system can handle it so then they supposedly fix that but a lot of people never still are not getting the links someone called and ask for the link and they said we're still going to the approval process and that's not right.

There's not supposed to be an approval process. So they're making it very difficult and there's one link for every day. And the first seven days we had all the dates, but now we don't because they've extended it. So the next date is May 16th. So I went from April 14th, May 16th, June 30th. And the four days after that are not even, there still to be announced. And so it's going to make it very difficult for people to email and ask for a link one at a time. And I think that's a big problem because the reason why we are doing this is not because I want to keep my license.

You know, people are like, why didn't you? Because they're trying to revoke my license. And it's like, no, I don't want my license, but they can't revoke my license for me doing what was right. You know, in nursing school, the first thing we learned we learn is the code of ethics and how it's our business. jobs to agitate and advocate for what's best for our communities when the industry turns against them. So I did exactly what I'm supposed to do. I'm not going to let them take away my license, although when it's all done, I will let go of my license in my own time, right? But not because you're disciplinary me for the wrong reasons. Actually, we want to hold them accountable for what they've

done and they've harmed the public. They are there to protect the public and they harm the public and they're coming after me who did what I was supposed to do. And so ethically, we can't really let that go. And so that's one of the reasons why we're doing this is to hold them accountable and for justice to be served. But the biggest reason why we're doing this is because this case is going to give precedent. So I'm the example.

If they can shut me up, that's it. All the other nurses after me won't be able to advocate for their patients, they won't be able to give them an informed consent. And it's really important, like, and people are like, what do you think other people can do this? I don't think so. Our lawyers have spent like almost half a million in hours just for this case. So it's a lot of money, you know, it's hard to go against these organizations.

And so, yeah, but if I win, it'll empower nurses to be like, look, we do have power. You know, they can't tell us what to do. I didn't become a nurse. to follow their rules. I became a nurse because I love people and I want to take care of them. Right? So that's why we're doing that case.

And so we're not expecting to actually win. Right now I'm at a kangaroo court. So the court of the college. So the panel is made out of licensed nurses and public members that were chosen by the government. So, you know, we're not expecting for them to be like, oh, Sarah, you were right. You know, we've spent all this money in court now,

but you're right and you're going to win, right? We're not expecting that. So it's very important to appeal it and bring it higher up. Now people will tell me, and I'm very aware, you know, the courts are so corrupt. We can see that with our defamation case. But it's all about bringing public awareness to these regulatory bodies that didn't do what they were supposed to do, you know,

so that people can like shift, right, and be like, no, we're not doing this. And here's the new paradigm. Like, you know, you can take care of yourself. So it's really about, you know, kind of social engineering people into, you know, seeing, hey, well, it's not social engineering because it's a truth. Right. So it's like, look at these bodies. They harmed you. And this is how you can heal yourself and be healthy.

Right. So that's what we're doing. And it's very expensive. So right now I got an invoice a few weeks ago. And we thought that it was all contingent, but we kind of misunderstand. but we are only paying one third of the costs that are you know so we have a big discount basically but I received the 50,000 invoice that I have to pay before May 16th before the next court case 50 grand 50 grand and I need to pay another 50 grand before the end of the case so probably

before the end of August and what's going to happen is we're going to lose here so we have to appeal it. And when I lose, the college wants me to pay their costs and they have five lawyers every day on their calls. They want me to pay the experts. It could go up to $200,000. You know, the lawyers said that the

court would not ask that much, but maybe another $100,000. Obviously, I do not want to pay them, so I have to appeal it. And the appeal might be around $80,000. And that's going to take time to take it higher. And hopefully, you know, maybe like we can

win that that would be great that's what we would want but if we don't again we're exposing um and that's what canadian frontline nurses is trying to do with this um and that's why we came out with our sOS for 250 so we received 75 000 invoice for the defamation case too um so there you go 180 plus 75 and the federal invoice is not there yet so um we do have a lot of expenses right how has things been going since you put out the sOS um we got 40,000 I'm very censored too I'm very surprised the SOS went through and then I did a few other videos explaining after that and those are all censored they're not being seen and stuff and that's another problem that we have right is that people don't a lot of people still don't know who we are

because we're so censored and so that's why we need to come on these like podcasts and and get people to know what's happening. So yeah, we really need your help to hold the industry accountable to what they're doing and not silence all nurses because it's going to be detrimental. We can see what happens when nurses are silenced. We're the last line of the fence between the patient and the medical industry. And now we can't do that. So it's detrimental to our communities and their health, you know.

And they're exposing a week. They're exposing a weakness and how much it costs to drag out a court case and everything else. I put on the bottom here for people watching and it'll be in the show notes, the give send go or the e-transfers to the email. They can also pay by a credit card on our website. Yeah, I think it's good for different people here. I know there's tons of people that want to help different things. Different people come on, I mean, not all the time, but I mean, it was not that long ago, folks.

We just had James Sauri on, and he's facing, you know, court case legal battles for running over a pile on. We all heard about that, Oda, Coutts, and some of the things there. Either way, I got it in the show notes that way if you're like, oh, man, I need to support Sarah or you know exactly who Canadian frontline nurses is, etc., etc. All the information is sitting there for you. And, you know, I just, you know, I always sit, like, to me, I appreciate the audience. The audience has never steered me wrong with different people they suggest to bring on here or different people that are, you know, neither story heard, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and you're not an exception to that rule by any stretch of the imagination.

So it's been an interesting little hour, you know, it's kind of gone all over the place, which, you know, I enjoy rather much. In saying all that, I wonder, if we don't slide into the the crude master final question, which is if you're going to stand behind a cause and stand behind it, absolutely, what's one thing Sarah stands behind? Truth.

That's it. Is that not the right? It's not a good answer? I don't know. It's a great answer. There is no right answer because, well, I mean,

it's, to me, it's like, you know, if you're going to stand behind something, what is it you're going to stand behind, you know? and truth is you know that's a large word you know it's a it's five letters right i'm spelling

that right it's five letter but it means a heck like there's a lot of umph behind that and uh certainly over the course of of time here it's come to mean a lot more than just what what it spells out you know there's a lot there so uh certainly i admire your uh tenaciousness to uh go into court knowing you're sitting there looking down the barrel of a giant bill and to still go and do it regardless is very, very admirable. And I'm happy to know there's different Canadians such as yourself that are willing to put themselves in a situation that is not impossible, but certainly they're painting the picture of your climbing Mount Everest for sure.

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much. How many, if you don't mind me asking, how many different shows have you been on when it comes to podcasts? Have you been on several? Yeah, I've been through quite a lot from the beginning, right? I think Kristen always did them more than me. I was more someone who would be like, oh, Kristen, you do it.

Like, you know, I'm not very, it's kind of weird because I do like public speaking and all that. But, and at that point, I was still, like, really low and I was smoking weed, so I didn't want to be on shows when I was high. You know what I mean? So I had to stop all that and work through, oh, my God, like healing and feeling safe in, like, an unsafe world. So my healing has actually gone really up because, like, I'm straight now. But, God, what was the question? Well, if you've been doing other shows, right? Because I just look at it and I know a ton of people that I think.

think would probably gladly have you on, I would assume. Especially when it's something here near and dear to Canadian's hearts in Canada with what you're facing and everything else. It's like I'm sure there would be other people that would gladly sit and chat with you and could probably help facilitate some of that. Oh, thank you. Yes. I need to be on as much shows as possible right now because this is like the message we're sharing.

We need for people to know about the new healthcare paradigm too. And like what are Canadian front? Like someone is doing something, you know? And yeah, we need as much help as possible. We even had someone is holding a fundraiser for us. And I was like, oh, that's great. Like people can maybe hold fundraisers for us to collect money for us, right? So there's so many ways.

But podcasts is definitely one of them. And yeah, I would really appreciate it. I just want to get on every podcast possible as of now. Okay, awesome. Well, I appreciate you coming on and doing this and spend it an hour with me, Sarah. It's been, well, regardless, like to me, I'm just like, man, it's been kind of like, holy man, we covered some territory this morning, you know. Either way, yeah, either way, I appreciate you doing this. And please keep me updated on what happens here over the course of the next month or,

you know, six months, whatever it is. Because I'd like to just be a little bit informed on what's, what's happening on your end of the, or your side of the world, I guess. Yeah, perfect. I will do for sure. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Thanks Sarah. Well, folks, that'll do it for today. I appreciate you hopping on, and I look forward to hearing your thoughts about Sarah's story, Canadian Frontline Nurses and different things there.

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and there's been five of them where they're together, when they get rifting off each other, it is a wild little go of, holy dinah, what is going on? And I think that night in Lloyd is going to be a fun evening. I hope to see you there. May 29th, we have the Tuesday mashup election coverage, so if Alberta election, that is. So if you've watched any election coverage covered, covered, done here in Canada over the whatever, the last decade, none of it is like, wow, that was great.

And twos and I are going to take our hand at it. So we're going to be doing election coverage on May 29th. It's going to be live streamed. I hope you will tune into that. So it will be on Twitter and Facebook, YouTube, I believe, Rumble. And we'll love to, you know, you'll be able to comment and interact. We've got a bunch of different people. going to be coming in on that and looking forward to that evening.

That should be a fun, fun night. So I hope to hear some of your guys' thoughts as we get closer to that. And if there's any suggestions on what you want to see out of the night, just shoot them along in the text line. I think that the boat does it for today. I hope everybody enjoyed this one. And I look forward to catching up with you on the next one. Until then.