Shaun Newman Podcast - #428 - Brother's Roundtable

Episode Date: May 11, 2023

The Brothers are back at it for week 4 of the NHL Playoffs. All things Oilers & Leafs. Nurse suspension & can the Leafs comeback. Recorded May 11, 2023. SNP Presents: Luongo & Krainer https://www.showpass.com/snp-presents-luongo-krainer/ Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Let me know what you thinkText me 587-217-8500

This is Vance Crow. I'm Alex Craner. My name is David John Parker. This is Alex Epstein. This is Leighton Gray, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to Sean Newman Podcast, Brothers Roundtable, week four of the playoffs. Well, I want to go directly to the Oilers and the Leafs.

Like, I mean, that was last night. You know, we talked around the first, last week. It was all about the first round, and then we got to the others. But I don't know, let's talk about last night's game. Let's start with the last night's game. the Oilers, you know, Darnel Nurse getting suspended a game. According to Section 46.21 of the NHL's rulebook, a player who's deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five minutes of regulation time or at any time and overtime

shall be suspended for one game pending a review of the incident. I mean, I don't think any of us can argue that to start with. No, it's there in the rule book. And if you don't like the rule, then you've got to get that change. But it's no different than flipping the puck over the boards right now. If it gets flipped over and nobody touched it, she's a penalty. That's it. He really should have fought Hague when Hague challenged him.

I mean, in saying that it's like, you know, so what NHL player safety announced was he's been automatically suspended for one game, and Coach J. Woodcroft has been fined 10 grand for the rule in the five-minute fighting anyways. And we're waiting to try and keep the coach from putting out the tough guys in the last minute. Do you really have a tough guy at this point? No. And Vegas. Not a legit tough guy, I wouldn't say.

And Alex Petra Angelou will have a hearing today for slashing against Emmetons, Leon Dreissel. So that's an automatic one game, isn't it? Yeah. For having a hearing? I would think it, it doesn't have to be, but I don't think there's anything written in stone, but... I'm pretty sure that they probably could have bent the rules on Nurse, I think, if... They can't bend the rules. No, no, no.

They've been the rules all the time, Jay. It's stated in the article. I don't care what they say there in the article. They always bend the rules on this stuff. The NHL does it all the time. They have rules. When's the last time they had an instigator penalty in the last five minutes that they've been to rules? I don't know.

All I'm saying is that when it comes to suspensions, they'll move stuff around playoffs. You get this, and we'll switch it up to this. Like if Peter Angelo is getting a suspension, then they go, well, we'll give Nurse a game, and that kind of offsets it a little bit, keeps it kind of fair in the series. That's what I see. I see it almost the opposite way. Because Nurse has to be suspended because it's in the article, they're going, we're going to spend Peter Angelo for a game,

keeps the series even. You've got to suspend him with Peter Angelo anyhow, don't you? Well, he should. Like, the puck was long gone. The only thing that... It's the best player in the Oilers. The only thing that didn't happen is Drysettle didn't get hurt. If Drysidal gets hurt on that play where he's out,

you know, Peter Angel's... That's a scary part. You're talking about the leading goal score in the playoffs. If Drysettle gets hurt, then they have an in-person hearing, and I'm pretty sure the in-person hearing is a minimum of six games. Because that could have easily been a broken wrist.

Yeah. Like, I mean, he does absolutely baseball bat swings. You know, like that's right out of the SAS Delta right there, right? Like, we're losing because Dry Settles having a series. Have you ever baseball batting anybody?

Yes. Not quite like that. Like, that was something. He does it every second skate at noon hour. I do not. I mean, that was vicious, you know? And the thing is,

is I think, you know, when you watch the game, Kane probably should have had a two-minute for boarding on Petroladryl right before that. It was a funny way he fell on the boards. There's another time that Kane comes in. He has a funny way of hitting, right? Where it's kind of a cross-check, kind of ahead, but he's so strong.

Petri-Angelo falls into the boards weird. It should have just been a penalty. It should have just been a pedaling would have cleared it all up. They don't call it. Or there's almost score. And then, you know, they're bullying him. Like Petron-Nagel is getting ran over by everybody. And he takes his frustration out on Leon Drysidal in a vicious way.

and thankfully nobody's hurt at least it didn't look like dry settle with any lingering injury off that who knows if they'd ever say but like regardless the video's there you can't refute the video he's getting a game whether it should be more or less

that's that's up to the NHL so here's the problem I've got if he gets one game which I think he's going to get one game I think that's kind of the way they're leaning by the sounds of whoever's talking the problem I have with that is you have a guy come in challenge a guy to a fight you know and you go oh that's an automatic game

okay the other guy Not challenge, instigate. There is a difference. He literally comes roaming him from the blue line, throws the mitts off. Okay, but it's not like he sucker punched him or dropped his gloves and started to drawling before he turned around. Agreed.

I'm just saying he instigates it completely. He didn't come and start beaking him and say, hey, let's go. No, no, no, no. You want to square off? No, but yeah, he went after him, sure. But it's not like he sucker punched him or anything like that. Whereas what Peter Angelo did was after the puck was long gone, he came in and baseball batted him, right?

And I go, would you rather have a guy come in there and try and fight a guy? Or would you rather have a guy take a swing at a baseball bat swing at him? And I go, I would much rather have a guy try and fight a guy as opposed to that. And nurse didn't have you ever had a baseball bat swinging anybody? My spirit of guy wants really hard. Did you? Yeah. But you didn't actually baseball bat him?

No, I never did that. I've seen a couple guys do it, but I wasn't that guy. I did it once to Mike Crawford, the legend. When? On the ice? No, it wasn't. It wasn't a hockey one. It was the very first night we met at college.

And he used to like, and we were sitting around the pool table and he used to like, he thought it was funny. You know how Croft is. Certain wrestling moves and everything, he had a little funny, right? And he was going around as people were leaning over to shoot pool and coming up underneath him and hitting him in the taint, right? As hard as he could. So when he did that to me, I turned around the pool cue and hit him as hard as I could on the thigh.

So what happened after that? He, we had a few choice words. And then we were friends. So it was great. And now we're the best of friends. That's right. Are we going to have a game in this series that's actually close? Or is it just going to be one team runs the other team over?

Because four straight games, you know, Vegas is smoked the Oilers or there's a smoked Vegas. I think we're going to have a close game. Jay. Well, I just, I think this is all about the Oilers right now. I think Vegas's goal tending is average. And if Emmerton shows up like they did in game two and like they did in game four, they're a better hockey club. In game three, it looked like they came home and snuggled with her wife all night

and then showed up the next morning and had no legs. And I've been saying this about game three the entire time. I was in the building. I saw it differently. And maybe I'm wrong on this. They score in the first three minutes. Fourth line scores. Boom.

About two minutes after that, rest missed a call. Now was it as blatant as maybe some calls? okay, so the fans kind of boo and okay, we'll carry on. Then they miss a high stick right in front of Vegas's net, right in front of the ref, and then they go down and score. So instead of it being 1-0 going on a power play, it is now 1-1, plus dry sight, it'll hit the post.

Right. So here's a couple things. Braswa goes out, and they had Brasua's number, not saying that he didn't play stellar in the first 12. But they were playing a decent game. It could have easily been 2-0-0, and here we go. Instead, it's 1-1, and then it's 2-1. and I've been ranging on Skinner.

I said this yesterday on a different podcast. I said, like, when are we going to have a goalie when our team falls down a little bit that just makes the key saves? And last night, it's a 4-1 game, but Skinner makes about two or three saves where you're like, thank you. Now it's a three-nothing game, and we are in the driver's seat instead of them getting one or two back because Skinner can't stop a beach ball. And his save percentage has been god-awful. And you all know this. I'm a Skinner guy. Yeah. Well, and actually, it's funny when you say that, the guy that did do that for them was in game for the LA Kings game.

Was Campbell. When soup came in and shut the door, right? But I still, I look at the Seventon team when they are firing on all cylinders and they, and they score first and they get that energy and they're banging. They're a better hockey team than Vegas. But they just, if they, if they seem like if they, like you say, maybe they don't quite get the goal tenant, they get in a little bit of penalty troubles, give up a couple of power play goals and all. of a sudden they're down and then they have harder times getting that momentum. Is there something about Peter Angelo's slash that kind of shows the mindset of where he's at in that when you're frustrated that you're getting beat like that, like if you're, if you're

confident in yourself, you don't go to hand their best player. But if you're frustrated and you feel like you're starting to fall behind, and I see this from Sean at noon hour once in a while, you get a little bit saucy because you're like, we can't do anything to win this or where, you know, we can't compete with them. I'd have a lot of guys at noon hour. Not just Sean, let me point out. But mainly Sean. Mainly Sean.

There's a couple other guys, but mainly Sean. But what I'm saying is, does it show, like, and he's one of their main guys on that team, right? If he's going to point out that I am not the brother in here who has baseball bat swung another brother across the shoulder while he was getting spanked in a game. I'd like to just point that out. Okay, can I just point that out? All I'm saying is the frustration there. It makes me wonder whether the mental side is cracking. That's all I'm wondering.

Well, no, I understand totally. I mean, they've done exactly what you wanted them to do. In that game three where they got beat, they still out hit the Knights 2 to 1. And Peter Angel is, like, do you remember Wade Redden talking about back when Ottawa went to the finals that one year, about how sore you were by the time the playoff run was over, like going through four rounds?

And you look at Peter Angelou, like they've just so focused, like, and you know what, you don't think of this hit or that, hit of that, but over time. That accumulates. Oh, it does. And is he frustrated? Yeah, he is. And then they're down 4-1 or 4-Rip or whatever it was at the time.

And he just, you know, he's just going to go hurt somebody because he's just tired of it, right? Because they've just absolutely, even when they're losing, they're hitting him every time. And that's how you win series. Yeah, well, I mean, the thought goes through my head a lot in noon hour, right? When you're getting beat 9-1, just go hurt somebody and get off the ice and be done with it, right? And then you remember you're playing. noon hour shot. Like,

just relax, right? But it's hard to take that out. So when he does that, you're absolutely frustrated. Listen, Oilers, what did, what did DeBras say yesterday?

It was like partway through the second period, and if you took away all Vegas's shots on the power play, they had like four shots and five on five or four on four. Five shots in almost two periods of hockey. They, like they were getting ran out of the building. And when the Oilers play that way and don't get into the penalty trouble and don't get sucked into that game.

Vegas's power play is decent. It's got a lot of weapons. It just doesn't function at a high rate the way the Oilers is right now, right? So you kind of get this false sense of security you can go on there, but it ruins all the floor of the game. When they always play five on five, they have dominated this series.

It's the same way with the L.A. Kings, the L.A. King's, his power play, held them in that series for a huge chunk of it. I'll give a huge shout-out to the coaching staff, the Oilers, too, because they broke up McDavid and Dryside last game because their second line was getting caved, absolutely caved in the first couple of games. And what that did was all of a sudden,

now you got two lines that can play. The third line's been solid, the whole series. Yeah, your bugstad with, uh, uh, Well, last game it was, uh, MacLeod, McLeod and Fogel and Derek Ryan. And Derek Ryan. They've been, they've been solid the whole series. They've been their best line on five of five.

They've been phenomenal. And they were getting their second line caved in. When you broke up McDavid and Drysidal, and I actually liked the strategy better anyhow, is rolling out three lines I can play, and the fourth where you cycle in McDavid or Drysaddle, and they'll be fine. And then in those moments in the game where you, you know, start of the period,

end of a period, you know, little places where you need to push, you put them back together. But the rest of the time, you keep them apart because, well, because Vegas does have a deep lineup with multiple lines that can score. As soon as you do that, they have trouble dealing with it. I didn't realize. I agree. I didn't, Janmark coming back in was a nice addition. That guy, that guy.

He's a playoff player. Yeah, he's built for the playoffs. Who'd they pull out? Well, that's where Yomark to come in. Or did they go to 12 and 6 last? They must have went to 12 and 6, no? Because, like, I think so, because they talked about Broberto be coming back in now. Here's, here's the lineup you got.

You got Ryan Nugent, this was the lines. I was thinking Fogel McLeod Ryan was their fourth line, but now I'm looking at them, like, oh, Sean, you got it all mixed up. Ryan Nugent Huygens, McDavid, Hyman, Cain, Dracital, Yamamoto, Fogel, McLeod, Ryan, Koston, Buxtad, Janmark, was the lineup from Game 4. Which might have been the third line. Well, anyway, you want to slice it. Anyway, you want to slice it.

Yeah, and then Broberg would have been out, and he'll come in for game five. Right. Kulak moves up to C-C. Who's hurt more by, like, assuming, you know, like I hate to assume anything, you know, before it actually happens, but assuming Petriangelo, with a phone call hearing is going to get a game. I don't know. Maybe we're wrong on that. I hate to speculate, but assuming that happens, who's hurt more? Oilers losing nurse, Vegas losing Petrient.

Well, Vegas lost their top defenseman. And we don't, I don't, right now, I think. Gacoma is Emmington's top defenseman. So right away, I think, I think that the bigger loss is for Vegas. And who's tougher control, the Vegas forwards or McDavid and Drysidal? Right. You need your top defenseman to play against McDavid and Drysidal. Yeah.

As simple as that. Like, they're hard enough control without your best defensemen. It's going to be a tough game for Vegas without Peter Angelou. They're going to have some, because Theodore is not the same as Peter Angelo. Like they're going to have, so they're going to have ask guys like Hague and White Cloud and guys like that to play more minutes and tougher minutes against dry sidle and McDavid like that's a tough matchup like that's the same

the only the only thing that Vegas has going for them is they got the matchup they can get the matchups they want because they're at home so that'll help me a little bit they're probably really focus on having their right forward lines oh yes you'd have to yeah but yeah it's going to be a challenge for Vegas in my mind see the other thing though I always keep in mind

and it's happening like this all the time in the playoffs right now is if you have two on games then everybody had to work card right and they always say as a coach it's easier to lose a six one game and get everybody ready for the next game because there's no excuses oh if we had one pound you know puck bounce or if we if we wouldn't hit the post there if the guy wouldn't have tripped over his own feet we were right there when you lose six one no you weren't right there we got to bring a better effort we got to get in a better mindset and the team that won win six one even though they're saying the right

things they're like oh we're pretty good we just hammered them six one and you see it over and over and over. So I find it funny with the Empton Vegas, you go, well, this benefits Eminton, now they're rolling, everything else. They go back to Vegas. Vegas is going to come out and be ready to go at home. Absolutely. Toronto and Florida, what I find interesting is Toronto might be

fine unless they win a game five or six one. Like them winning only two one in Florida tells me now they're going to come back home, they're going to be ready to go again. They didn't win it growing out. They won it by a goal. Do you remember Eminton Carolina when Eminton was down 3-1 in the final? Yeah. And game six, they smoked Carolina.

And I was like, ugh. Yeah, that's right. If they would have wanted 4-2, that probably would have been better than smoking. There's been a lot of chat about there's no momentum in a series. A lot of the big, you know, I'm thinking of the Oilers specifically, like the,

I was listening to Reed Wilkins and them talk about. Rob Brown. Rob Brown, saying there's no momentum between games. And like, although I understand what they're saying, it's not like all of a sudden you can carry a third period and it just bleeds into your first of the next game, especially when there's travel and days off and everything else.

There is like a mentality set. If I'm Florida in particular, did I want to do it in four? Yeah, I did. I wanted to get rid of it and not have the Toronto Maple Leafs be a, like they understand what they're up against. Maple Leafs are a good freaking team. Yeah. Like, they are a good freaking team.

If there's a team you don't want to hang around, the number one would have been Boston. Number two is probably the Amminton owners, and number three is Toronto. And I'm sure people can argue with me all they want about it. But you get the point. There are teams you just don't want to let hang around. And now you've got to go back to Toronto.

And if you lose again, there's no momentum, but come on. There's a little bit of a mentality shift. And if you're Vegas... Yeah, it's mentality shift. You're 100% right with the Toronto, Florida. Because now all the pressure was on Toronto. But now they won one game. They're not going to lose four straight.

And so every game... Now Florida's going back in and the pressure starts to shift to them because they were up three rip. If they go to Toronto and they lose Now they're at home And if they lose that one they go game seven Toronto like it right Whereas Toronto now it's like

New Life because okay if we lose in five Or we lose in six or we lose in seven We were down three rip Everybody's not as mad And everybody's written them off right And so all of a sudden Marner's not quite gripping the stick is tight And also Matthew Kichuck is

The problem you have is a Leaf player fan Is you now have to be perfect You can't have Bobrowski he'd win a game one nothing. And that's the risk. Sure. Now you put yourself in a situation where you have to be perfect. And if you're Florida, you've allowed them to stay in,

although you've only lost one game. And if anyone asked, if we're up 3-1 at the end of four games, would you be happy? You'd be like, absolutely. But let's just finish it off in game five. So they can't hang around. But they're going back to Toronto.

And that place will be buzzing. And the Leafs will have a new life. And that thing will be buzzing. And if they win that game, I mean, like, just think about the mentality. You still, like, you still want Florida's position. So if Toronto, Florida, go to game seven, are you phoning in a favor from somebody you know in that Toronto region

and getting us a couple tickets and we're flying down for game seven, Toronto, Florida? Can you imagine? Wouldn't that be something? But, I mean, Emerton Vegas in the seventh game is not going to be no if they get that far. The thing with the Elminton Vegas series, the thing I watch is when the Oilers play, they're the better team. And they have been bullying the Vegas Golden Knights. Every time Vegas tries to impose their will,

Oilers like, like, it's almost like you want to leave him docile. Like, Nurse absolutely bullied egg last night. Like, yes, he, like, I'm laughing at Dusts saying, oh, I was just a fight. It's like, he came from the blue line. I'm watching the video. Came from the blue line. He knows what he was doing. Mids off, grabs him.

Now, in fairness, he didn't throw his mitts off until he got there. Right, and he ties him up, and then he bullies him. And Kane, bullying people, right? Bugstad, like, bullying people. Clim Kostin. Bullying. And it's like, we are a different team. team than we have been in a long time.

Yeah. And I mean, they're just imposing their will. So for Oilers, Vegas, if the Oilers show up, they win this on home ice in game six. Now, they got to show up. Like, they can't, Skinner has to make some big saves because the Vegas goal nights are a good hockey team. But, like, he plays like he did last night, which is just calm, cool, collected. They get a couple of nice chances. He stops them.

Everything's square, blah, blah, blah. Makes Jack Eichel look relatively average on the power play, shooting the puck from that spot every time. It's like, we got this. It's when the oilers go to sleep and Skinner doesn't make a couple of big saves for them, then all of a sudden the wheels fall off. I don't know if you noticed what the Oilers were doing last night to around their own net, but Vegas was trying to bully their way in front of the net with their defensemen, and Eminton stayed a lot tighter than the net so they couldn't like ram their way in there essentially.

So that was a coaching change on their behalf as well, which was smart. Do you guys think that Toronto can go seven games with them? Well, so here is history for the Maple Leaf fan, okay? teams coming back from the 3-0 1942 the Toronto Maple Leafs defeat the Red Wings for the Stanley Cup 1975

the Islanders defeat Penguins in the second round 2010 the Flyers defeat the Bruins in the second round and in 2014 the Kings defeat the sharks in the first round so history would say when it's happened twice you know in the last 13 playoff years

I mean that doesn't sound like lots it takes a very good team to be able to do it And the Toronto Maple Leafs are a very good team. They have the ability. The thing is, is they put themselves in a predicament where if the Ketrake goes off for one night, where everything just seems to go in the net for them, or Bobrovsky played, like he played well last game. If he plays out of his mind for one game, they win this.

And I think we'd argue, like Joseph Wohl, is that how I say it? Yeah, Woll, maybe. Like, them sticking an unproven rookie with 11 NHL games in game. Like, you got to do it. It's like, who do you take, Barbrose? Orkky or him. It's like, well, I take Brobowski. Yeah.

So, like, everything's stacked. Like, are you starting the rookie goalie at home? Well, if Sampsonoff is still hurt. Samsonoff's hurt, right? So, like you got it. I mean, you won two one. So you roll with it. You got no other choice.

Let's go. So we're pretty sure that Carolina's going to beat Jersey here, right? Do you guys see Jersey coming back? I think Carolina's too good. Right? So Carolina's got it. So you have the other series of Seattle, Dallas at 2-2. Can Seattle?

Yes. Beto Dallas. Yes. Yeah, sure. Do you think it'll happen? I predicted it. Let's go back to the prediction. Sean said Seattle and five.

I was wrong. But I still predict Seattle. I picked Seattle as well. I picked Dallas. Yeah, Dust said Seattle in five and Sean said Seattle in six. I apologize. So I can still do it. I didn't realize I picked five.

It's a little bit tight. Anyhow. I think they can do it. I think whoever's coming to the Vegas Oilers Series is going to the finals. Dallas is a good team. Dallas is that team two years ago they were in the finals. I realize that. I just think that Vegas and Vegas and Ementon are better teams.

I got grabber texting me right now, so I figured I would send them. I'm like, I'm in the middle of something. Anyways. I think Vegas and Ementon are the best teams in the West right now. So I think whoever wins that goes to the final. Yeah, I think barring injuries, I'm still good with them. Like, to me, they push through. It's not going to be easy for them, but sometimes not being easy.

No, no, that's what you want. You don't want easy. No. You don't want easy. Can Carolina make it to the final without two of their top six forts? I don't know. Isn't that crazy how they're just rolling through Jersey like this? Yeah, they're imposing their role.

How good of a team is Carolina? Because, like, you talk about injuries to Colorado, and that's kind of why they lost. And you go, yeah, Carolina's missing two of their top six forwards and their role. one. They've been rolling. Very good. Jersey looks like they have zero answers right now. Well, they keep not even just beating Jersey, but like dominating jersey. The one game they didn't, but outside of that, they've absolutely rolled them. You realize Martinuk has 10 points in the playoffs, nine in the series, or maybe he's got even more, he's got nine in the series, and nobody in the Don's Cough took him. No, he had

zero points in the first round. Paul Newman could have had him for a dollar. You know what? With my last pick, I was trying to decide between, uh, Yanmark and Martinook And I went And you were to start making fun of me For taking Carolina guys And so I took Yanmark

And my goodness that happened Why'd I take Martinuk? Thank goodness He's got three goals, six assists And ten games Yeah, nine points I uh yeah And for all you wondering who Paul Newman is

In our draft We have two guys And they put their names together So I'll leave it at that To see if you can figure out Who the two owners of Paul Newman is And uh Grabber says them

or some ugly looking interviewer you got going on there. Well, his face wouldn't help. He has a face for the radio. Can Carolina make it to the finals without two of their top six? Is Terravina going to come back at some point if they get enough rest of time? Terravina may be, but Svetikov's. No, no, I know. Can you imagine if it all played out the way it was going in the last night?

Seattle versus Vegas on one side, Carolina versus Florida on the other. Like, what on earth is dead? that, some smortion of an NHL playoff, possible, Stanley Cup final. Everybody says Gary Bettman would be happy about that? I'm like, I don't know. Would you be having, like everybody in the north is going to turn that off, aren't you? Or maybe I'm wrong on that. Well, everybody in Canada will turn it off and everybody in the Northeast will turn it off.

Right? Like, you have no original six teams, no true hockey markets. Right? Like, Vegas was a cool story when they first came in, but now, you know, like, I don't know. It's like, whatever at this point, you know? Yeah, but, I mean, really are the states going to tune in if it's, Toronto in the final? I don't know, McDavid versus Matthews.

Here's the thing about the NHLs. They keep playing the Euler games at like 8 o'clock at night, which is 10 o'clock in the east. And you're like your best player, your two best players in the NHL, the most exciting two players in the NHL are playing at 10 o'clock at night in your major markets.

Like, are you kidding me? And I know they're like, well, we don't want to have two games too close together. We want to have two back-to-back games on nights. And I'm like, yeah, but your best, you know, the most market. recordable player in the NHL is playing at 10 o'clock at night on the East Coast. So does that almost tell you that for the health of the entire league that in three years

he signed somewhere else just because it just should happen? I'm going to ignore. They need him to go play in New York. I'm just going to completely ignore that statement and just be like NHL be smarter and put McDavid at a time that people can watch it. So do they like Bader going to Chicago is what you're saying, having him land there? 100% don't you think? They don't want one of their original six teams.

it's absolutely went through that whole sexual abuse thing, right? Like, they'd like to probably, the NHL I'm talking, would probably like to take it. Okay, put that over here, and now we've got a new era, new era, right? Do you think? Well, I like him landing there better than a lot of different places, right? Like Chicago, you know, do I want to see? I hate it because they're in the West, you know, and you're like,

but at the same time I'm like, this will be fun, we'll get to see, you know, in the playoffs and everything else, you hope that he has a great career and we'll get to see it firsthand. That's a ton of fun. How good is Bedard? How good is he going to be? He's going to be like Kutrov.

Because guys are asking me, he said, well, he's not fast enough. And I go, Kutrov when you see him is not blazing speed. He's not McDavid. No, he's not McDavid. That's what I mean. His McDavid is just...

No, because Badaard's a different type of player, but you look at how Bader it is. He absolutely smart off the chart smart and hands. And shoots. Amazing vision. Quick. He's quick, not fast. Yeah.

So I just, I view him kind of a cross between Kutrov and Patrick Kane. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Maybe that kind of the player. So a 113 point guy this year. Yeah, that's what you view Omas. Well, in Kutrov, one year he had 135, I think, didn't he?

Goals, you talking? No, no, total points. Kutrov. Didn't one year he put up 135 or something like that? 128. He's had a season, he's at a season of 100, 128. Then he obviously had some injury problems because he put up 80s. and 69, but short game plays, and then he played 82 this year with 113.

Yeah. He's not as many goals as you'd think, you know, like 29, 30, 40, 39, 41, 33, 25, 30. It's not like it's bad. Sure. So, Badard might be maybe a little more of a goal score than Kutrov, maybe. Because isn't Bedard's shot, just unbelievable? Well, I mean, look at how many goals he put up in the world juniors, right? I mean, I guess I could look up.

Yeah. Yeah, we'll look up. To me, he's not McKinnon. He's not like Ovechkin. He's not even like Crosby. No. Look at the two big names right now. He's not McDavid because McDavid is all like,

all speed and just makes defensemen look stupid. Right. And dry sidels this huge, huge man that just, you know, pushes his way into places. Two years ago playing for the Pats, he put up 51 goals, 49 assists for 100 points in 62 games. This past year in 57 games, he put up 71 goals, 72 assists for 143 points.

I don't know what year is more impressive. So he put up 100 points as a 16-year-old in the dump. It's not bad, eh? And then in the playoffs this year, in seven games, he put up 10 goals, 10 assists, so 20 points in seven games. Yeah. And at the World Juniors, you know, when he was breaking the records, everything this last year was 9 goals, 14 assists in seven games.

Do you think he's a better player than Trevor Zegras? I don't know. Well, I'm just the reason I say it, like, that is because Trevor Zegris remember he had that huge world juniors and so he was coming in he's got this high-end skill and he does the Michigan goal and that kind of stuff and he had 69 points this year in the league and to me Badaard is heads and tails above Trevor Zegris because and the reason I'm using that as a comparison is because Trevor Zegris is a little more of a slighter player right

it's not his blazing speed everybody talks about it's how you know how creative he is and his hands and all that and he's you know because people are the one argument about Bader is always is he gonna be fast enough and big enough and all this stuff and I think where the league's at he's going to be just fine well Chicago the one thing I wonder about Chicago's they've already said they're getting TAV's is gone and I'm like you know with a guy like Bedard there wouldn't you want to keep TAVs around for one more year well as as long as TAVs wants to stay for well I realize that but TAVs didn't want to get traded at the deadline now they've announced that they're getting rid of them and I'm like eh maybe you should

have held off until you found out if you got badard because if there's a guy you want mentoring a guy like baddard it'd be like Jonathan Taves would be right near the top of my list Is Bada Setterman? Center. Yeah, it shoots right. But that's why I was thinking, like, you know, there's some players that are older than, like, do you really want that guy learning him from?

I don't know. Patrick King wouldn't be the right mentor, but Jonathan Taves in my mind would be a perfect mentor for that kid. You want to surround him with some guys that have played in the league for a while. They're going to have to insulate him for a little bit. He's not going to bust, when was the last time somebody bust on the scene, threw up 130 points, will the shitty team into the play? Well, I don't know about willing into the playoffs,

but Krasby and Vechkin, their rookie years were pretty good. Yeah, they had 100 points in the rookie season. McDavid put up amazing numbers his first year. Yeah. So the very top, the very elite do it for sure. Yeah, Krasby and his first year, 102 points in 81 games, they did not make the playoffs. They did not make the playoffs.

It's a pretty good year, though. And it got left off the Olympic team, as I recall, which was awful. And let's just pull this up, because now you got me curious. Ovechkin and his first full year put up 106 points, and for the first two years he played for the Washington Capulist, they did not make the playoffs. Right.

But then we're pretty good years, though. 106 points followed by 92. Well, and go back to Mario Lemieux, even when he came in, he was a great player, but their team didn't make the playoffs for the first two years because they're awful. They're awful. That's what I mean. So when you come back to Jonathan Taves and like insulating and showing them

or else, because the NHL, I was thinking about this when we were, watching the game on Monday with the kids. Like, you go from, you go from like the dub, and I haven't been to a dub game in a while, so refresh my memory, guys. Is there as many TV timeouts and all the jazz that the NHL does? I assume not. I don't think there is. I assume there's a little bit, but not nearly as much.

In the NHL, every five minutes now, it's like an extra three-minute break for scrubbing the ice. Everybody comes out and scrapes the ice. And you're like, how do you get in a rhythm? How do you keep it going? It's a time-out every five minutes unless there's no whistles. and just little things like that for Badaard who maybe learns how to hop on a second shift when nobody's looking and all of a sudden he's out there

and he's going to change. Plus you're going to be playing against men and now you're going to be traveling all over North America and the money and everything else. Without knowing anything else, does Baderd score 100 points next year? Can he match what Crosby did? I'm going to say yes.

The NHL had how many 100 points scores this year? Like when Crosby did it, there was hardly any back then. Yeah, there's probably There was seven or eight They should Yeah Oh now

McDavid, Drysidal Kuturoff McKinnon had it Matthew Kachuk Uh Nuge did Nuge did 100 Three others

So here Here wait a second So for the first year Crosby's in the league Thornton had 125 Yager 123 Ovechkin 106

Heatley 103 Alpherson 103 Crosby 102 and Eric Stahl 100. There was your, so there was seven their year. And a couple honorable mentions, Colvichuk 98, Savard, 97, Cheechu 93. Badaar put up 20 points in 7. How about Jonathan Chichu with 93 points, eh? The thing, uh, Badar put up 20 points in seven playoff games. Yeah. Like that to me means,

like he's the real deal. He, like, Regina had no business in that series. But Dard put up 100 points as a 16 year old. How's that even possible? Like, yeah, do I think he gets? It's there, yeah, I probably will. I think he does too. I think Chicago's power plays a lot better next year. He'd be a power play with his one. Okay, so we said seven, seven, the first year. So this year, there was one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

11 guys. That's got to be the most in a long time for 100 points scores. Eleven guys at the 100. And Jack Hughes and Mitch Marner both had 99. So you almost had 13, like that close. So there you go. I don't know who was the last rookie to put up 100 in his first season. McDavid?

Was it McDavid? Did McDavid get 100 in his first year? I think he did, didn't he? I don't know. He didn't win the... Yeah, that's all. Or did he get hurt in his first year? He had 48 points in 45 games this first year.

His next year he put up 100, 108, 116, 97, 105, 123, 153. But he was on pace to put it up less than 100 in his first year. So the last guy would have been Crosby. Crosby and a vetchkin came into the league at the same year. Yes. So, I don't know, let's have a little fun. I personally say no. He's going to be playing for the Chicago Blackhawks.

I just don't think so. Maybe I'm wrong. I can be wrong. That's fine. I'm going to see it. Yeah, I'm going yes as well. Before I let you boys out of here, the Harley is thrown on, and he's not here today, obviously.

but he'd thrown in that Landisog. I mean, I've been some of you who's actually here and just had not said a word for like half an hour. You can tell Harley's not here because we didn't have a five-minute story with no real point to it. He always gets around at the point.

It just takes them longer than Sean. Takes a while to develop it. That's right. Landisog is out all next year. Did you saw that, that Harley tossed that through? Yeah. What's Colorado going to do? Are they, do you look at them and go,

they're in a little bit of trouble or are you like now they're going to be fine well they know now that they got the money really freed up to go get somebody i to me if i'm running colorado if i am joe sackick running colorado that they're in win now they're no different than emminton no different boss like they're win now there's no you're not building up draft picks so you know they say that uf a class next year's pretty weak so are they going to get a you know boston's talk you know There's talk about Taylor Hall. Winnipeg. There's talk about Mark Schifley.

Is that somebody you're going to get? That really hurts our team because he was just a solid, just a solid way. He was their captain. He was their captain. 100%. Now, the thing about Colorado is they've got enough depth and talent there where they'll be okay. But yeah, if you want to win the cup again, you got to add some. And really, as I'm talking out loud, I go, where was Colorado's biggest weakness with second line center?

Right? They didn't have, they did not replace catch. They lost Cadry and Landiscaug. And Berkoski. They lost three of their top. six, but they did not replace cadry. And so if there's going to be nobody at the UFA, who's available, Mark Sheifley looks like he'd be a pretty nice fit on as a second-line center behind McKinnon.

Yeah, they'll have to do something. They'll be okay, but yeah, if they want to win the cup again, they're going to have to add a little bit. I maybe should give Joe a show. Actually, they're not far off from winning another cup again because their defense is so good. They've got everything they need. The top end forwards are there. Yeah. They just need a little more in depth again.

Yeah. All right, well, let's get out of here. That's another roundtable. Week 5 next week. Can you leave that? Holy man, it's been cruising along. By next week, Thursday, Wednesday, whenever we sit down, second round.

Third round will be well underway. Third round should be rolling along. So let's buckle up either way. Can't wait.