Shaun Newman Podcast - #437 - Drew Weatherhead

Episode Date: May 26, 2023

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I'm talking about Drew Weatherhead. So buckle up. Here we go. This is Drew Weatherhead, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. I'm joined by Drew Weatherhead. First off, thanks for making the drive-in. Yeah, of course, absolutely.

Yeah, Tuesday mashup is doing election coverage Monday night. So we've got a show going on live stream for about three hours. And we're wondering if Sir Drew would join us for probably only five, ten minutes of just kind of, you know, get your thoughts on the election night, that type of thing, nothing too serious. First of all, nothing too serious is most of what I like to do. So that's a very interesting proposition. And secondly, thanks for asking me on air, so I can't say no, I'll be there. That's right. Well, that's exactly.

Well, he's like, well, I have to say yes. Yes, you do. Yeah, it's going to be a fun night. We got David's going to be on Parker. Chris Sims, my brother, Tews and Tim Mohn are going to be doing a live roundtable in studio. And then everybody else is going to be calling in via, you know, basically. a live stream, right? And so we got different people, you know, Terrick El Naga, who was just on, and I'm trying to think here, Tamara Leach is supposed to be joining us. And we're just a whole bunch

of different people from across Alberta, you know. A lot of Notley fans. Exactly. Yeah, you know, it's trying to just, I don't know, like it's a big night. And it's like, so what can we do? It's like, well, we could do a live stream. We could talk about it. And I don't know, like, try and make it so you kind of want to have tune in. I mean, you know, it's not exactly the most riveting topic, but it is a time of year where it's like we should pay attention to this. Oh, yeah. I remember one of my favorite podcasts of all times was a Joe Rogan podcast. He did. That was like the apocalypse cast that he did for the election of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. You remember that? It was so good.

Well, yeah, I have no idea what I've been warning listeners now for, you know, like the last pretty much month. It could be terrible, but we're going to have fun doing it, right? And you're going to have a whole bunch. It's kind of, Tuesday said it last night or this morning. It's kind of like an all-star game, right? You've got all these people that have, people are popular folks that have come on the podcast or his show or the bashup or just in politics in general. They're going to come on and kind of give their little bit of a quick take on what's going on and what they're seeing. And, you know, who knows.

Yeah, well, the who knows is what makes it interesting. This is, to speak in hockey analogies, it feels kind of like a, you know, Russia, USA, or Russia, Canada game where it could be close, you know. And this is part of the anxiety, I guess, around it on both sides. You think it's going to be that close? I mean, look at the polling, most the pundits, they're saying, like, we're within, like, a couple percentages of 50% on a lot of polls. That's, I don't really trust polls, but that's a lot closer than most polls I see.

Yeah, I don't know if, as soon as it has, like, CBC attached to it, CTV, I'm just like, what a little. How close have you seen that weren't close? And I wrote this name, Janet Brown? Janet, I think it's Janet Brown. Let me see if I can pull it up here. Do you think there's a sci-up going on here about the closeness? I just, to me, I think part of the world really wants it to be NDP,

because then they can continue on with just transition. They can continue on with all these narratives that they want to. And as long as Alberta stays where it is, you know, it kind of gets halted a little bit because Daniel Smith made it very clear and the conservatives have made it very clear and then that they're not going to go along with a bunch of it. And then I'm not saying that they aren't going to slowly go along with it, but right now they're saying no. And that gives Saskatchewan backbone, right? And all of a sudden you got two western provinces going, we're not doing this. If all of a sudden Notley gets in, then you have, you know, Trudeau for a little while longer and Notley for four years where it's,

It's like, you know, the one article we read on the mashup was like, well, not that much damage can happen in four years. You're like, are you insane? Right? Like, of course damage can happen in four years. So, I don't know. I think everybody's paying attention. Nobody's listening to it anymore. All these polls keep coming out and the fearmongering is just there.

I hope it has the stricent effect where it's like they think they're just saying you're defeated, but instead everybody comes out and votes. Yeah, you can call it the Trump effect too. He was in the news all the way leading up into his 2020 election in a negative light, but he was always in the news, right? So it actually, I feel like it got to people that maybe it wouldn't have. Leads me to my next question. I'm curious to your take on this is, do you think that there is a significant amount of moderate voters in this particular running that might make a difference?

Or are we just worried about the choirs preaching at each other? What do you mean? Like, for example, people were watching the debate. the other night and they're like, well, how do you think the debates went? I'm like, why do I care how the debates went? Because I know how I'm voting. Everyone I talk to knows how they're voting. I haven't run into a single person who's like, I was waiting until the debates before I made my mind up. Yeah, oh, I see what you. Yeah. I still watch the debate because I was, you know, like, it's the only time I've seen Smith, Notley, go kind of at it. Oh, it's not not interesting. I'm just curious if it

affects the voting at all, you know? But it wasn't that interesting. I think if Notley came out, case in point let's go back to the UCP leadership race in the end it was like what 5248 Daniel Smith squeaks by Travis Taves and the first debate

they all attacked Daniel Smith and I said it was like it was like watching Muhammad Ali or something in the ring it was just like a schooling it's like what are they doing they should not give for the mic how didn't they know this how didn't they know their enemy before they walked in

and all seven are on stage, you're going to give her, you know, you got a two-hour debate, roughly an hour and a half. And every time you attack a candidate, they get more time to talk. So the only thing you should have been doing is talking around her.

That would have been my game plan. No direct questions. No direct questions. Give her five minutes, and nobody, instead, they attacked her all night long. She danced it all night long. And after that, her stock went way up. So to come full circle,

you got Rachel Notley against Daniel Smith. I agree everybody is pretty set in their ways. But if Rachel Notley comes out and all of a sudden does something, because now she's got half an hour to sit there and battle the best, arguably. And if she all of a sudden schools to people, I could see how people could be swayed a little bit. Well, here's the metric that I'm most interested in besides who wins.

That's the number one, of course. Who wins come Monday, the 29th. But the metric I'm interested in comes from Shane Getson, who I was talking to on my podcast a little while ago. And he said that the average voter turnout historically for Alberta, between 30 to 40%. I'd be curious if we've actually engaged more people because of what feels like a little more

of an externality or a existentiality to this thing because I put it this way, and I know I'm not the only one that feels this way, is we just live through three really rough years, really rough for all Albertans from all walks of life. Do we want to walk ourselves off a cliff of four really bad years? Like we have the option to not have four really bad years coming up. If we had the option to not have three really bad ones,

I mean, retroactively, yeah, why would we make that decision? We have the choice this time. Like, we know what Notley did last time, which is coincidentally something that she never brings up in any of her, you know, press releases or questioning. She never talks about what she's done. She's done something. Why don't we talk about that? Oh, right, because it wasn't good. It was bad. It was really bad. And it doesn't look like it's going to be any better this time. It looks like it's probably going to be more of the same, except now with more of like a WEF kind of twist to it, where everything is moving climate-wise and gender-wise and affirming this and, you know, carbon-neutral that. I'm like, this is really, really bad.

You're wanting to empower that? Yeah. So the 30 to 40% I've heard before, and I've always Googled that, and I don't know if this is right or not, this is what Google says. It says 1982 had the highest ever voter turnout in Alberta, history was 68% and 2015 was another high market 57%. So people were pissed at the conservatives and came up and voted a bunch of different ways and we all know how that went. Okay. So to me, I look at it and I go 100% agree with everything you just said.

And the only thing that I'm wrestling with, right, because it sounds like when you look at all the different areas, it sounds like it's going to be a sea of blue again. And Eminton for the most part is going to go NDP and then the best. battleground is Calgary. That's how the story's been talked about now for the last like three bloody months well before they ever dropped the, you know, the writ and here we go. And so I look at it and I go, okay, I'm living in a city. I'm trying to put myself in the foot of a city, you know, you know, where you're going to vote NDP because you've lived through this. Like we all live through it and that's why they got voted out immediately. Calgary voted them out, right? Like I mean,

it's not like Calgary was, you know, 80% NDP in the last election. It's, that was not the case. And so you sit there and you go, okay, so what's changed over the last four years? COVID. Who is in government? UCP. Yeah, what have you done for me lately? And you go, the only way around that is Daniel Smith was the most outspoken.

She, you know, talked about it. You know, when you watch her now, you can tell she's becoming a premier. I mean, I don't know how. I'm saying that the most gentle way I can, right? Because every time she says something, they cut it out and attack her like no, nobody's business. So you come all the way around to the voter turnout and everything else, I go, the only thing I can see of why Calgary would vote differently is because they lived under three years of UCP rule where they basically locked them down harder and harder and they

waffled and everything else. And then they just stopped listening to anything. Right? They just turned their brains off and that was it. We're getting UCP out because they just screwed us. But I don't think most Albertans are like that. My personal opinion, most, Most of them, especially the ones that are engaged, have been watching. And they were traveling all over the place to watch Daniel Smith talk. And I don't know. Like to me, I don't want to go back. Can you imagine four years?

Well, four years, I'll be joining Drew on the road to take the family down south. I'm, I can't imagine four years under, you know, like, well, just transition. BC11, I know that's federal, but I mean, like, you start to tack on some of these things that are coming down, some of the things in schools, you know, you just started in D.P. and notly, you know, like one of the things, you know, Chris Sims has brought it up, and I believe Peter McAfrey brought it up, you know, last election that they won, wasn't on what they ran on it. Some of the things that came in while they're in power was the things they didn't run on,

one of them being the carbon tax. You know, that became a huge thing, and they never talked about it in the election. They never ran on that, this is what we're going to do, right? So their big thing is, what are they going to do if they get in now that they're not running on? You know, and yeah, like I get what they mean. I'm, I hope Alberta. I'm quite certain Alberta's not going to do that, but you never know. I mean, the polls, yeah, the polls are the polls.

Well, let's try to forecast here and run some counterfactuals then. So let's say that Danielle Smith wins by whatever margin. It doesn't really matter, but it's not going to be a landslide as far as we can tell. It might be like 60%. That's good. Janet Brown's results midway through the election campaign show the UCP winning 56 seats and the NDP 31. Okay.

And she's well respected. The NEP is calling her an outlier, but if you read the entire article, she's basically been very close on other polls. And that's what she has. So what would that be like between 60, 70% somewhere in there? Yeah, well, 50. 50 to 36, you were saying?

something like that. 56 to 31. Okay. All right. So let's call it 70%. Quick maths. But let's say, okay, she comes in. I feel like she, and I really hope that she does,

has to have a really good four years after that. I hope she lives up to all of the hype that she's got behind her. Because what we don't need is any more, weaponizing of UCP leaders that screwed up after Kenny leading into Smith, like this will, I think, be the next bump to cause an actual inversion the next time. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Because of how close it is now, it wasn't that close for Kenny. Kenny absolutely dominated that because he was coming out of a knotly rain, right? So it was like, of course we need to get her out. But now it's like, well, if there's an influx of NDP support right now,

Not quite enough to get it done, but Danielle is, I hope it's not the case, but maybe she turns out to be a limp fish for four years or does something bad. Then the next one, we might just be kicking the can down the road. So I think in that case, Danielle needs to live up to the hype. On the flip side, let's say Notley wins, blows our minds, people are calling BS or whatever. You know, they want an election investigation or whatever, but she wins. man we're first of all going to have a lot of trouble for the next four years but i think it's going to encourage or empower a lot of the people like you and me that are already trying to make social change for the better um and maybe that's what it takes to bring you know good times from

strong men yeah well there's always a positive to any bleak outlook right it's not like no matter what happens, whether we're talking federal, provincial, municipal, everything, no matter how bad it gets, it's not like the sun doesn't rise tomorrow, you know, like, I mean, it's just going to energize a lot of us to push a little harder, you know? And so, no matter what happens, I agree with you 100%. The thing is, even if Daniel Smith gets in, let's say UCP, like the work doesn't stop. You know, I got to remind myself, you know, when she won. you know it if she doesn't have support she doesn't get to do the things you know like

because when she came out and said unvaccinated where I've been some of the most discriminated people everybody hammered her it's like have all you people forgot what she's talking about yeah like I get I get the Jews I get First Nations I get all these different things everybody's been discriminating against she's saying in the last three years like all of those it didn't matter if you're a Jew a First Nation anything under our under our system like we literally literally just hammered on 10% of the population, but nobody could see that. No, it's not that they couldn't see it.

You know what psychologically is going on. They were being blamed, right? There was shame being voiced in the opposite direction. They're not cool with that. Psychologically, you can't maintain that. You're going to try to scapegoat this as my fault, right? It's basically how it comes off. That's what they're hearing in between the lines.

It's not like they care about a comparison to a Holocaust 80 years ago with what she was saying. That's not a realistic thing. Nobody's actually thinking that. What they're thinking is, well, she's saying that we did something wrong. I don't like that. I don't like being in the party of the person that did something wrong. Therefore, she's the blame, right? No, no, the kids must be wrong, right?

I guess, yeah. It's just, to me, that was wild to watch. And I just go, if she doesn't have public support, then she has to retract. Then everybody gets mad at her on the other side. You shouldn't be apologizing. It's like, well, then you have to stand up for it. And you got to start taking some merit. animals for her too and I'm not here to call anyone out right I'm calling myself all for

Pete's sake right like it's just no matter who gets elected and I go by Janet Browns to me like to me that sounds probably the most reasonable you know from everybody I've been talking to now I don't mean that you don't have to push hard you still got to push you can't act like it's way too close to act like you can just kind of mail it and it'll be fine that's right you know I feel like you're up you know you're in game seven you're up one you got a period left it's like well the worst lead in hockey is a three goal league going in third period so let's just finish this off and be done with it and then you got four years to put in some laws to you know push on the government to continue to do what's been going on for

the like honestly the last year you know it's been it's been a lot but uh yeah i don't know like it's when it comes to when it comes to just the general population you know i i'm involved in a lot of things. I'm around a lot of different people and talking to different things. And sometimes I sometimes I want to input my thoughts. And other times, you know, my wife gets, gets mad at me from time of time. She's like, you're so opinionated. I'm like, honestly, I think I'm holding my tongue pretty good at this point. I'm like, you know, like at the end of the day, if we can sit around and all of a sudden forget the last three years, I'm like, we've all gone insane. Like, it's only a year ago that things were still pretty insane, you know? And not to say that today,

there isn't some insane things. There certainly are. But, I mean, it's like we've all got amnesia. And I don't mean that, truthfully. But at times, you're sitting around with some friends, and you're like, do you hear me you just said? We've gone a little crazy. I mean, I literally just interviewed,

geez, what was that? McKenzie and Seth Bloom would have been in the last month. Three weeks ago, I want to say. You know, and here's a kid still dealing with the aftermath of taking a vaccine. And it's like, that shouldn't be that shocking. One, I mean, that's a terrible thing to say out loud. But, like, I think me and you both have heard these stories now for the last, what, well, since they started coming up.

It's almost every day, to be honest. I know people who either know people or have people who are still either suffering or just died from stuff that they took two years ago. Like the blood clots, the ambulisms, the aneurysms, the heart's complications, that there's a lot of things that go beyond the acute first four weeks or things. three weeks that they track, you know what I mean? And after that point, you're free to go off into the wild. Well, well done, good and vaccinated servant. And then beyond that, we don't care what happens to you. And if something happens to you, it wasn't our fault. There's no liability.

There's no tracking. Have you ever looked into the Canadian Visp system? Oh my God. The vaccine injury support program, VSP. What a shell of empathy that is. That is a system that was created by the federal government to make it look like they give a damn, like they give a shit about any of the people that they coerced into getting hurt or killed. They don't. So many people have applied to that thing. And most of them don't even get through step one. There's three different steps to get to the final step where you actually get money, which is never enough. And they usually don't pay it very quickly in small increments monthly for a set amount of time kind of thing. And the people that get through, last I checked, there was like 12 people that had made it that

far. One of the people that made it to the final part of that program that didn't get through was my sister, who ended up getting paralyzed by one shot of Pfizer. Not good enough. You know, better luck next time. Play again. This is the level of empathy that our government, they don't give a shit. And nobody's tracking this stuff. They talk about like, there's this thing in vaccine science called long-term studies. That isn't going on. Not in this time. That's considered phase four studies. They stopped at phase three. You remember that? Phase three, we pass phase three trials, so now we can take it out to the wild. Where's the phase four? We don't talk about that. Phase four is long-term studies. That's supposed to be between generally like five to ten years.

So we are within long-term studies right now, except they've taken out the studies part. We're just in the long-term results, effects, and none of this will be tracked. There's not going to be any database or statistics that can accurately project or project what, is happening, not what we think is happening. All we can do is like anecdotally kind of poke and prod and this guy knows that guy and this person had this thing and just presume and then we get called crazy or anti-vax or conspiracy theorists. Meanwhile, people are dying. Like I got friends whose parents are dying.

Isn't it interesting how the human mind in order to believe something needs it to be ran by a government institution? So, like, in order to track deaths of, you know, you need phase four, right? You need that part because then you'll trust it instead of like the, and I'm putting in air quotes, but like the anecdotal evidence of like just people dying suddenly and everything. We've all seen the Macass e-man substack or Crispin, Mark Crispin, I think, where he's got all the different people, you know, he's breaking it down by, you know, whether it's sports, whether it's musicians, whether it's all these different things and people getting sick and falling nail and all the, and it's very highly suspective. But since it doesn't come from, I don't know,

I don't even know what entity, it kind of gets thrown under the rug as Oz conspiracy talk. Well, it's worse than that. So you're describing a logical fallacy that's known in the debate spaces called appeal to authority. So they're using the logical fallacy of appealing to authority. You don't have to look into what the authority is getting their information from or how they did their studies, you know, just believe the experts, trust the science. They just use these euphemisms that mean nothing. But what's worse is that it's not just an appeal to authority, but for people who are putting that stuff out there, like I think that Justin Bieber's facial paralysis might have been a result of the shot he has that can give you facial paralysis. Like maybe it wasn't just like, whoops, sometimes your face doesn't work on half your face. those people not only get called all of the pejoratives,

but then said experts that are being appealed to go out of their way to say that, no, that's not what happened for sure, for sure. Like they're going to gaslit everybody from that place of authority so that not only are you being called a thing, but all of the people that should have the authority on the matter are also calling you that thing. Yeah. Well, I mean, I just, so the other.

thing is like people think it's like a one-off you know like I don't mean certainly not me and you because I mean you for like I I don't have to tell you the stories and you certainly don't know have to tell me the stories it's like you hear these stories on the you know for me weekly but like in the last month I've had you I don't know how to say this but anyway a young girl that we know blood clot from groin to ankle major surgery, blood clots all in the lungs. You've had another story of a boy passing out in the middle of class and having seizures. Of course, then you have McKenzie Bloom's story of being knocked out of hockey. And you're just like, anybody else see these adding up? Why is this such

a taboo thing to talk about? Why can't we just talk about the white elephant and like push back? And I don't know, I mean, but it adds into what you've just been. I mean, there's just levels upon levels and layers upon layers of psychology that is going to obfuscate from ever asking those questions for the majority of the population because at least if you believe the stats in Canada less so in the US but to a certain degree the vast majority have some level of vaccination for COVID-19 in them so you're talking to the majority from the minority and putting the blame on them how's that going to go yeah I don't know that's that's an interesting thing You know, but it's like, I don't know, it doesn't, by not talking about it, it doesn't solve the problem.

No, no, I'm definitely not saying that, but I'm just putting forth, this is the position that people who are seeing these things have to take from, is you are going to not be believed by almost anyone, or at the very least be ignored by almost everyone. What did you think of a Seem Holtra's interview on Rogan? First of all, I put a clip up on my podcast page that went super viral all of a sudden. Then it got a banner put on it and it just dropped dead. But yeah, it was fantastic. I thought he did a phenomenal job. Guy who's vaccinated and his parents were vaccinated and then doctor from the UK, if you haven't listened to it, you know. And then he just continues to like basically pull apart the entire fabric of COVID-19.

Honestly, just like... Not just a doctor, a 20-year-plus cardiologist who... was infamous before that for taking shots at the cholesterol industry around statins, which in his words is a multi-trillion dollar industry that he was poking holes in. And guess what happens when that happens? He got absolutely lambasted. His job got put on the rocks. He almost lost his credibility, his license.

And he weathered that. And so leading into COVID, he already had an internal. moral compass, I think, and like lived life experience that gave him the proper, not just credibility, but viability to stand up under just the worst propaganda cycle in human history. And yet he didn't, right? In the beginning, he still goes and gets it and everything else. Yeah, there was a story behind that. I forget what it was, but, I mean...

It doesn't matter. At the end of the day, all I'm saying is when you're trying to bridge the two sides, right? You're talking to the majority, the majority from the minority, right? when you use that example. I'm like, well, you need the majority to talk to the majority. And Mahaltra's in there. Yes. I mean, they might want to cast him as one of us because of his stance earlier on in life, right?

Oh, he's always been standing up and I think you can't have that, right? You just got to, but when you listen to his story, here's this balanced guy. And he doesn't use these crazy numbers. Like one and two got a side effect. He uses the one in 800 and you go, one in 800, eh? Oh, remember the numbers they were spitting out earlier. a book anyways and in you're like oh that actually starts to make sense it's probably still a little bit low you know it's it's probably something under that because how the hell do we know so many

people as close to us that have had issues but you know I digress but it's it's a guy who comes on and he's he's likable he's not this lack of a better guy like alex Jones or something who comes on and just rams you with it right like you listen to mahalter and you're like man this guy this guy's got something going on like this is this is very very interesting and And I don't know, the majority talking to the majority has to have a little more of effect than what we continue. You know, like at this point, it's like at some point, some people are going to be drawn on this. Others are not coming around. They're more steadfast than ever.

I'll be curious how that majority breaks apart over time. Because from my, again, anecdotal first person perspective, a lot of the people that I know, which is most the people I know that are vaccinated, if the topic ever comes up, even in a peripheral way, they're actually pretty. pretty apologetic about it. They're like, man, I never wanted to take that stuff. I hate that I had to take that stuff. Most people are like that. And then I think the other breakout from that group is they just won't talk about it. I see very, very few people that are the Vax maximalists anymore. It's like, have you got your 12th shot? Like no. Why is it that all of the people out there? And I mean almost all of the people out there, even the ones that were like super duper for it, aren't lining up for shot six right now. They, they, they, they, they, It's not on their schedule. They don't think that it's necessary to flatten the curve for herd immunity for all of the buzzwords, you know. Why is it? Is it because COVID's gone? Turns out, nope.

COVID's still around. We got XBB, blah, blah, blah. And it's all, you know, all the hospitals. Go look at the numbers. By the way, if you go look at the numbers, it's still taking over emergency rooms. Okay? It's every day our COVID cases coming in and out. So why aren't we shutting down schools?

Why aren't we doing remote learning? Why aren't we masking them? By the way, Australia is masking up right now. They're starting to go back to remote learning. So it's not that it can't happen, but it's curious to me that people have, and I get it, it's been way too long. You have this, you just get tired of it after a while and you don't want to talk about it. And you don't have to take this stuff anymore in your body.

So why would you kind of thing is kind of where I feel like a lot of people are at. And maybe they went all the way to four shots and they're like, nobody's looking anymore. I don't care. I've been able to take planes ever since people could take planes. I've never really had any of these negative social aspects. I haven't had to put like a Canada flag on my car. Like I've been able to blend into the background, do my thing.

Nobody's looking anymore. I'm not taking any more of this stuff. Well, I remember a guy telling me, it's a long time ago now, that he was happy for the, Well, you didn't use the word crazies or the, but the far leaners who are yelling at the top of their lines. The fringe minority with unacceptable views. Yeah, but of the fringe minority, the fringe of that, right?

The ones who are right on the front line who are just, you know, going at it. They understand where we're heading and they're like not having it. And they're not waiting for, you know, kind of the tipping point where there's enough to push. They're pushing immediately open. Tip of the spirit, guys. That's right. And he told me he's like, I'm happy to those people because then I never have to worry about getting vocal, you know? And I'm like, well, you're kind of true, except they kind of get

picked off one by one, and some of them burn out, and some of them leave the country, and some of them get chased out, some of them are jailed. And I'm like, eventually you have to speak out, and you should probably speak out in numbers, because at least with numbers, you're somewhat safe, you know, and even then, you're like, you watch, like, it's just, it's a slow, methodical, the machine just slowly chews people up, spits them out, moves on, does not care about feelings does not care about a whole bunch of things and it has its own agenda of where it's going and how it's going to get there and a lot of that is buying the public into everybody believes this so when you come back to notley smith are they trying to sell you that notley's going to win

probably i just disagree with it and i think a lot of people aren't paying attention to it anymore and it actually pisses me off more and more when i see all they're drunk because i'm just like i just don't care i just don't care but there are still people who buy into that which hurts my brain because I'm like I don't know how you're still there right I feel for you I just passed another guy today on the way here in a little old Lloydminster mask on driving around and I'm like I just I just don't get it I just don't get it I put a substack out the other day specifically about masks I don't really talk about masks that often because for me it's so patently absurd like if you knew a single thing about airborne pathogens it's just so patently absurd

but I was like hey good news for everybody who thought that your mask we're stopping COVID viruses. There's wildfires in Alberta right now. Really smoky. It's bad out there. You should mask up. So you go do that. You go mask up and walk outside in Calgary and tell me if you can smell the smoke.

Oh, you can? Ooh, that's not good for your COVID narrative then because it turns out that these hydrocarbon particles that you're smelling through your mask that was protecting you from COVID are like 200 times the size of a COVID virus. Do you think that you're actually staying safe out there, triple masking? Do you really think that? Or you just feel safe about it? Because it was, I mean, so again, patently obvious from early on that this was a security blanket thing.

This was a virtue signaling thing. This was a authoritarian thing. Are you with the state? Are you against the state? Well, I can see where you stand. I don't even have to ask you. Switching a little bit of subject, have you seen the thing about Bill Gates, Epstein Island, Mila and Tenova? the bridge player?

I saw a headline fill me in. I didn't read it. Well, actually, I'm just slowly coming up to speed and I'll probably have listeners just like sending me bazillion things. But here's a tweet. Meet Mila Antonova, the young bridge player who Bill Gates had an affair with in 2010.

Jeffrey Epstein found out about this affair and used it as leveraged against Bill Gates. You know, different things like that. She was underage, is whatever, you know, and it goes on and on and on. I'm sure more and more of it will come out. infighting in the aristocracy right

we're getting the salacious news from the courts of the royal airs you know like I don't know I bet you it's very dog-eat dog up at that level you know but I bet there's a lot more than we're hearing you know it almost is less interesting to me

it's like of course there's infighting going on between power players now here here let's this is Fox News Not enough a bridge. But it's Bill's love of the bridge that almost cost him billions. You see, it was during a bridge tournament where Mr. Bill Gates met this woman. Two years ago, I said everyone that I'm going to meet this guy. Nobody believed me.

Last year, I played against him at the same table at the National Bridge Tournament in Washington, D.C. I didn't beat him, but I tried to kick him with my leg. Okay, so that's Mila Antonova, Russian. bridge player, an alleged former lover of Bill Gates. And a few years later, when Mila needed some funding to start something up, Bill Gates introduced her to his friends, including Jeffrey Epstein. And it didn't take long for Epstein to connect the dots on Gates and Mila and realized that two of them were having an affair.

He threatened to expose the affair unless Gates gave him what he wanted. And that's what we call blackmail, ladies and gentlemen. Classic Epstein. That's how he operated for decades. It's again another piece of evidence. It proves he was an intelligence operative. Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say is like that's just Epstein, Epsteining Epstein. You know, like this is what you expect?

You're going to go around a guy who blackmails people with sex ops and, you know, with your closet lover and expect he's not going to try to blackmail you. You basically just like dangled a mouse in front of a snake and we're like, don't bite. Classic Epstein, you know? It's like, you know, you think they'll ever release everything from there? That is so rap because of all the people that went there. I can answer your question with a question, and it's rhetorical, but feel free to answer if you'd like. Who is they when you say, do you think they will release it? Because I think that answers the question.

Of course they're not. They're culpable. There's going to be way too many theys on that list that maybe, we think are the they, but if it turns out publicly that they are objectively the they, that's not good for business. I don't see that happening. Yeah, I guess maybe instead of saying they, I wonder if we will ever get to see the entire. Well, we live in an interesting world of whistleblowers and of, you know, anonymous tip droppers. So I'm not saying it's impossible. I just don't think it's going to come through the official sources if it ever comes out.

Yeah, it's interesting. Have you seen the, I'm doing two things with my brain right now. This is where I need Jamie. Jamie, could you pull up, could you pull up Jim Caviesel on Steve Bannon? Have you seen that one? No. What's Jim up to? You know who Jim is.

Yeah, Passion of Christ. Yeah. He's got a new movie coming out about child trafficking. Really? Yes. Good for him. And one of the things that, I'm going to torture it. I was hoping I could find the actual, what?

he does it. Jamie on his day off, man, really slacking. He talks about how Epstein Island and then he goes, well, it isn't just Epstein Island. Like, there's more islands. It's kind of what he says. I was like, and Steve Bannon, like, goes quiet for what feels like 20 seconds. Like, where he doesn't say anything, and I'm like, that's odd. You could say what?

You're like, anyways. So what Jim was, Kavisel, like, was. shining light on is I'm like all I could think of was Peterson's Pinocchio story where they take boys off to the and how old that story is and where it's founded a little bit in myth or maybe true events and put into a you know a child story is a kind of warning and I was like man I wonder if that's been around for very very very long time like the Epstein island kind of idea just I mean that's a modern take on it where it's a honey pot and certainly we get the the honeypot idea but I don't know like where where there's more than out there where they're hurting children

and you know like you know children to me I always think of like under 10 or something and certainly Epstein was under 18 right I think that was that was you know it wasn't just young young I heard some stories that they at the even just optically look like man there they must be on the precipice of legal I could see how this could be very suspicious you know like he would I was listening actually to a really good podcast if people want some Epstein insider info, the Patrick Bet Davis podcast. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he just put one out with this lady. I wish I could remember name Meg somebody, two-parter.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fantastic. She goes very deep on all this. And firstly, she was like on the side of Epstein's sex incredulity, the way that he leveraged people using these situations. first of all, they weren't always underage. He would go there if they tempted them, but not everybody was going to take that bait, and so he would move it up to like 18, 19, or whatever.

You know, throw up boys, girls, what is it you like? Kind of thing. I'm just here to please kind of thing. And just try to get them on something, but she made a more interesting point after that saying that that's actually the minority of the illegal activities that he was involved in. So it's actually almost better

that the majority of the population thinks all it is is child sex trafficking. And I'm not saying that that shouldn't be the front of the headline. But there's so much underneath that surface that never gets talked about because of that. It deflects all other like major bank things that are going on and intercontinental things that are going on and like serious, like seditious things that are going on that are making. Like, look, he didn't want to get Bill Gates. under his thumb just because he thought it would be cool and you have some stocks in Microsoft. Like, there's serious reasons why he wants those people under control. And what did he get for that control was kind of like the story that's not being talked about.

Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it? Like, you think of one narrow little, this is where they're shining the light, right? Well, it's shock and all. How can you not? Yeah. Here's, I hope this is the right clip of Jim Caviesel on Steve Bannon here. Let me see if I can get this work and so you can hear it. I think you told me that he started in 18,

and it took like a year or so to make because you were shooting all over the world. But this thing is basically essentially been finished since 20 or 21. Why are we in May of 23, you're in the war room, and we're going to sell tickets, and we're going to sell 2 million? To make sure it's in theaters over 4th of July of 2023, What is this, why is this film so, what is it about this movie that makes people in the, in the film industry, in other places, not want to see it in theaters? I'll give you one plain example. We had 1,500 Patriots, people that were interested in seeing the film in Las Vegas.

During one part of the film, everybody in the audience started whispering. And of course you're watching the viewers to see if they're even interested in the movie, but they were very, very locked in. At one point, they all started whispering. And I thought that was, I've never seen that before. So after the movie, asked them a couple of questions, and then I had to ask, why were you whispering at this one particular part in the movie? And I didn't pick up on it.

And they all started screaming out Epstein Island. Epstein Island isn't the only island out there where they have her children. Mike drop. Wow. I mean, it only makes logical sense. Sorry, the clip's coming all the way back around, but that's the pause I'm talking about. He literally sits there, and I don't know if he's waiting for Jim to say more. Yeah.

But what more is, anyways. Wow. It's poignant, and it speaks to, again, the uncomfortable realization that as bad as everything we know about that is, first of all, we can't possibly know more than maybe 1% of what was actually going on. And then if you make the logical conclusion that most people do at this point, that he was an asset of some sort of power organization, some people say Massad or whatever. If he was like a player on a team, how many other players are out there that we don't know of? We know this one by name.

So that, for the listener, if they're wondering, the movie that Bannon and Jim Kavisel are talking about It's called The Sound of Freedom and debuts on July 4th. I have no idea how much it's going to get played, where it's going to get played. But that's the movie he's talking about. And the fact Jim's a part of that, I'm like, I want to see that. Got a lot of time for him. The thing I was thinking is I'm like, since we've had our, I don't know, not brief friendship, but since we've met and we've been talking to one another and everything else,

one of the things that I think I've been really trying to hone in on is kind of like discernment. Like when you walk in a room and something you just look across and go, I don't think I want to be in this room. I can feel it. Nah, I'm out, right? And you kind of, in a way you go. When I think about Epstein Island, I'm like, how does he get around that? Because maybe Bill Gates sucks at it. Maybe Bill Gates was banging people all the time.

He just didn't care. All right? And maybe you sold this thing. But there had to have been a few that came around that just absolutely understood him. Because, like, there's certain people who walk in a room can walk in a room. read it so fast and are just like, no, this isn't the place. And no, I'm not interested in this or what have you. Well, you wouldn't hear those stories, right?

I know of one exactly, actually exactly like that, that he's come public saying it. It was Eric Weinstein who was invited over to Epstein's mansion, one of them. I do remember that. And he had that exact experience where he came in and was like, this guy is definitely not who he's pretending to be. There's something going on. And he remembers, I remember the way that he was saying this, he had that, excuse me, intuition pretty quickly when he came into the area, into the lobby of this place. But while he was admiring some of the artwork in this very illustrious, palatial looking place,

he noticed that there was a camera in one of the pictures, that there was a like a mini-cam that was implanted in the painting. And he's like, at that point, he's like, I'm pretty sure there's an op going on right now. Like whatever this guy says, I'm going to take with a hundred grains of salt because I don't trust anything coming out of his mind or his mouth. And look, he tried to influence not just politicians, not just powerful corporate types, but also the scientific community, which is why Brett was there. He was invited as a academic acolyte in the, you know, geophysical arena. And Epstein loved getting all these people in his pocket. For again, what reasons?

We can only presume. Yeah, presume, yeah. But I don't think that they all didn't have that experience. I think that the ones that did are probably on that list. But I bet you there's maybe hopefully, my hope is that maybe one out of two just backed out. Well, I was going to ask you personally, you know, pull Epstein out of it and just slide that off to the side. You know, since you started your podcast, since you started down that road, since you went to the States for six months, you know, and how our first interview came across while you're sitting in your vehicle and you don't know if you're ever coming back and all these different things.

and certainly life's moved along since then. Have you gotten better at that? Of like, because, you know. Intuiting? Yeah, of like just understanding when you walk into a room, what rooms are healthy, safe, even, and what rooms you're just like, yeah, I'm going to sit here and be cordial,

but I'm not going to hang out too long. I thankfully haven't had that experience too often. Generally, the rooms I walk into I want to walk into. Like, for example, when I was down for this last six-month period in Austin, Texas, most of the places I would go were because of the people that were there. I knew who I was going to hang out with. There were either other freedom-loving Canadians that went down to Austin

or a jiu-jitsu gym that's run by a literal vet or, you know, like people that are not only like, look, like attracts like, I don't want to be in those rooms. I don't want to be in if I can avoid them. So generally, I think I just intuitively avoid them. I have, though, been in those situations. I can think of one off the top of my mind without getting in too much details.

It was in Florida years ago pre-pandemic. I shouldn't have been in this area. I felt very out of place. It was at this very wealthy person's private mansion in Florida, hidden in the Everglades, like probably $10 million. It had its own infinity pool in the back and a pizza oven that was built into the patio that was being served to people by his private chef.

Like this is, it was wild. And during the whole time, I could just feel like I'm not just uncomfortable because of the the wealth that's on display. Like that to me is interesting. It's not intimidating. It's like, wow, that's kind of crazy. Like walking around Caesar's Palace in Vegas. Like, wow, look at that.

That's kind of cool. But there was this uneasiness the whole time. And this guy who owned the place will just. call him Mr. M. We were talking a very New Yorker type. You know, he sounds very bronxy. He sounds like the prototypical mobster you would meet like from a movie. And I asked him, I don't know if I wasn't supposed to ask, but I was like, I was just curious Canadian or shouldn't be here. Hey, how did you make all your money? And the answer he gave me, first of all, the way that he gave me the answer, it sounded like he had pressed a button on a pre-recording that he has prepared for anybody who asked that question.

It's like, this is how I made all my, blah, blah, blah, blah, but the actual answer, it was almost like, you know when there is a hitman that wants to, like in a movie that wants to take somebody out, but do it in a way that people know that he did it, like we're going to have this guy hung by the neck but with a bullet in his head, right? No gun anywhere. We just want them to know that, yeah, this guy committed suicide. Yeah. Right? Right. He accidentally tripped and fell down an elevator shaft with 35 bullets in him. Those kind of things. I could tell by the way that he answered this question that it felt to me like he wanted me to know that this wasn't the real reason.

He was like, yeah, you know those infomercials on TV, right? I'm like, yeah, I know they're an infomercials. You see, I haven't seen that one where they got the lamp that turns on when you do the thing? I was like, yeah, that was me. I was like, okay, end of conversation. Like, clearly you don't want me to go any further into that. It was like so nonsensical. It was like he just found something that would make a good story.

And it was like, so this motherfucker doesn't realize I've got mob money or whatever it is, right? Yeah, this guy doesn't know what situation he's in. Yeah. Or poor Canadian. Yeah, it was at that point, too, if I was uncomfortable before that point, when I heard that, I was like, okay, this guy's actually dirty and I don't know what it is and I don't want to know what it is. I'm going to say thanks for the pizza and leave as soon as I can. How has the last year been?

You know, I'm trying to remember the last time we talked. I feel like it was the last time we did a double-heder. Is that possible? Man, yeah, I was in Texas still while we were talking. We did a remote one. We did a remote one, that's right. How are things, like, you know, for the audience, you know, I think there's a lot of people who listen to what you do and I hear about it from time to time.

I actually through the text line, right? especially when you have something that really piques people's interest. No matter who does it, I seem to hear about it through the text line. That's how I get a ton of my information. That's a pretty cool thing you got going on there. I like that you do that. Well, as you know, I'm a one-man band. I play every instrument, you know, make fun of having no Jamie and whatever else,

and it's just like, you know, like, I don't know. Maybe someday the money's there where you can just, you know, or maybe you need to take the lead. I don't know, right? I don't know. So the only way I get around it, it is the text line because the text line is like if I'm an NHL GM I don't have the money to pay for scouts so I farm it out to the audience or Oilers Nation and they go you've got to come check

this kid out so now you go check the kid up like yeah it's okay and every once in a while you hit a home run and it all comes through them it just nonstop it's just crowsource it that's brilliant it just nonstop and I don't have to go look for guests because they give me guess all the time Now, does it come with downfalls? The downfall is probably I have like 300 people that are on this list where I'm like, I don't know what to do with all this, right? So then you just start to put kind of almost imaginary ticks beside them. And once you see some guest hit a certain point, like obviously they're doing something

that I need to talk to about it because they just keep, anyway. So that's the text line. You come through, that's how I found you. Oh, okay. Was through the text line. I don't know if I ever told you that. No, okay. I texted me about you and said, you got to interview.

He listened to you on Sam Tripoli, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, that's right. I had a friend from Saskatchewan that said, you should check out this Sean Newman guy. Yeah, is that the guy? Yeah, so there you go. Yeah. Thanks, Clay, you kind of put us in touch. Clay's been hitting about, I don't know, 900 batting average.

Somewhere I'm going to put you, you've missed one. I don't know if that's true. You might be hit it out of the park. You're going to be Jamie next. He literally, yeah, he's been feeding me. you got to, so anyway, so that's how I stumble across you. Is another listener just feeding me the way? Anyway, so it goes.

Now you've been down in the States, what is it, twice, or is it three times? Yeah, two times we'll be going down for the third one in October. Is that going to be life now moving forward? It's indefinite at this point. We do want to eventually settle down once we find some land that we want. There's all sorts of considerations around that, not just the where, but the how much and everything else. Where do you want to be? You want to be stateside?

Not necessarily. Like that's got its own considerations visa-wise, which are semi-complicated. It would be easier to do it in Alberta. We've not been thrilled with the last few years, we'll put it mildly. So to put an investment like that down after we had lost two major investments over the pandemic here, not our first choice for that reason. But part of that may be stipulated on who wins this vote. If not, he's in, that just puts another reason.

why I don't want to like settle down for at least another four years. If Smith wins, maybe that's a good argument to do so. We've looked at other states in the U.S., whether it's Texas, Utah, Tennessee who's in there, South Carolina's beautiful. There's places, but to come back, it's just indefinite. So while we're in this holding pattern, it is just six months up, six months down, and that's just what it is. It's an interesting way for your kids to, you know, I don't think they'll look at, you know, when they get older, because how old are you oldest now? She's just turning 12.

Just turning 12. So for even her, you know, like when she gets in another five years, I assume she'll look back on that with a lot of fondness because, like, you know, who does that? Very few people, six, six, you know, and to see some of the places, to experience some of the things, to just have their eyes open to the different areas. is and how they culture is and how they attack different problems and everything else, you're giving them an education that few get. Yeah, it's an implicit education instead of an explicit one,

where they're absorbing things that I don't even realize they're absorbing. You know, they're picking up cultural things here and there that, man, I didn't learn until I was in my 20s or 30s. And they just, it is absorbed. Kids are incredible in that way. They take things on by mitosis. They get close to something, and they just suck the information out of it.

So you just place them into all these different places, situations, biospheres, cultures, languages, and it just becomes part of them as they're in this formative year process between like zero to 18, if you want to arbitrarily put maybe the first 20 years. They just absorb, absorb, absorb, maybe 25, if you consider once their frontal lobe is fully formed. Were they excited the second time around? Like the first time is a shock, I assume, all of you. You know, you're kind of like, what are we doing? where are we going? Are we ever going back?

Now it's kind of, you know, it's almost got a little bit of structure to it from my eyes, from an outsider looking in. Were they excited to go down the second time? It was kind of the same and kind of different. So the first time we went down the west side of the coast, cut from California all the way to Florida, and then reversed course within six months. It was a lot. It was 17 states in six months, 36 campgrounds.

It was a lot. We were moving all the time. The most we ever stayed in one place was in Austin. for a month, everywhere else was like one week, maybe three days. Like it was constantly on the move. This time we spent like four and a half months in Austin. So not only did they get to actually settle down, we got them in a little bit, some structure.

They were taking jiu-jitsu classes, you know, for months at a time. From the same teacher there, learning the kids' names, had some friends that they made at one campground for like a couple months that they're still in touch with. Really good family friends now actually Canadians that moved down, Albertans, actually. that moved down and crazy story like everybody. But, you know, there's so much camaraderie there that was built in.

Their kids just got on like peas and carrots, you know. So that was different. They, I think that they're at the point that the mobility is kind of their homeostasis. That's normal for them now. Being mobile is normal. But we're hoping to build in more structure besides just the mobility. like have some faces that they recognize, recognizable people more we do it. So hopefully on this next time down, we'll meet up with that family again, maybe hang out

for a month or two in a place. We're thinking maybe Florida this time. But as things change, I want there also to be similarities that ground them because you talk to any psychologist or psychiatrist and kids need some sort of anchor. And look, the family structure itself is its own anchor for sure. no matter how much the environment outside the travel trailer changes, inside is the same everywhere we go. And so we try to keep it as structured in that way as possible. But I also don't want to be that family that accidentally shelters their children socially too,

because they're going to be a really big boon to society. I want to make sure that they're ready for that. And then is your wife homeschooling? And have you always wanted to homeschool? Has that always been the thing? Yeah. Thankfully, it was one of the few things that worked out for us over the pandemic is we didn't have to worry about schooling for them. We were already homeschooling.

And so it made it almost not easy. I don't mean. It was just no different for them. It was just no different. Yeah. And way we go. Yeah. Yeah, that was better.

That's one of the things that I've really tried to cognitively do for them over the entire pandemic is tried as much as possible, as much as things are changing. and they changed a lot. As much as possible make it seem like it's no big deal. Like this isn't actually like a world changing event they're living through. I would like for them to be able to look back on it in the future when they're learning about what happened. But for kids that were between the ages when we started of two and ten, they don't even know what a government is.

You know what I mean? Like why do I need to put my stresses and our stresses into their life? And there was a point where I could start to see my eldest was just starting to catch some of the nuances of it. And I felt bad for her, honestly, because she was living in, I guess you could call it blissful ignorance, where it wasn't really affecting her at a psychic level.

And I did not want that to continue. Like there was a point the first time, I don't know if I talked about this on the podcast before, I feel like I have definitely talked about it on the Tripoli podcast where the first time we got into the U.S., and that was a whole ordeal. There was no way we were supposed to get across. We got across two or three weeks before the flight mandates came down in Canada and barely made it across the border, but we did.

And when we got down there in Montana, the first place we stopped for like a cheeseburger to feed the kids on the road, we got out of the truck. And my eldest at that point, I think 10, she was like a little confused. I'm like, why don't you run in and get a table for us? You have to remember at this point, non-essential travel right, across the border. You can't drive across the border. Everywhere is masks. Everywhere has backs passes up in Alberta. You can't go into a restaurant without the thing.

And she looked at me and she said, Daddy, don't I have to have the thing to go in there? And I said, not only do you not need a vaccine passport to walk into this Wendy's. You don't even have to wear a mask. And the look on her face told me everything I need to know about how in the know she was. She, I might as well have told her the pandemic was over. And we were in a, in a geographical contingency to Alberta. We were just across the border.

Like there was no difference besides this invisible line in a different government. And the pandemic was over there. You could walk into a Wendy's without a vaccine passport or a mask. And she is like, I don't even know what to do with this information. She was so happy and she ran in there and grabbed a table. And like, as far as she was concerned at that point, I think the pandemic was over. Yeah, I have a couple different things that pop to mind. One is I've been looking for different people that I admire that are pushing hard but still hold the family unit as close as

I hear you talk about it. Certainly I know I talk about a lot, right? Because there's lots of people out there that are divorced, have been pushed away from their kids, you know, or just single or whatever and just don't have kids and whatever. And, uh, I admire, one of the things I admire out of you, Drew, is the fact that it was like, nope, we're gone, and you took your kids on the road, and it's like, as a father of three, I married to one of the greatest women on the planet. I'm still like, man, the stress that would come from that, you know, is like, whew, you know, but you hear that story and that all that, you know, it's like all the stress in the world,

that story right there makes it worth it, right? It's not even, but in saying that, I search all the time, not high and low, I guess, I always like I got a back catalog almost of just like that's interesting right like Tom Korski comes right to mind because when you first interview Tom from Blacklocks first thing he'll talk about his family I find that very interesting because most people want to talk about well my career this is what boopoo pooh-poo-poo and you know one of the things I think we can agree on is is like how important the family structure is to society and COVID exploited that son of a gun like real fast broke things real fast got in everybody's personal lives real fast pulled things apart mess with things and it's just you know accelerated and I'm like what we need is some people you know showing more people that is like yeah you're gonna have disagreements you're gonna have some stress in life but you know the most important thing to you over anything should be your your marriage and your kids

your this family structure is so so vital and that's one of the things I admire about you because there's There's very, I don't know, I haven't come across a lot of people who maybe I'm underplaying that a little bit because I know a lot of the audience has those. But you look at some of the highest profile names out there. And a lot of them, maybe they quietly have the family life, but there's a lot that have given up a lot to have the high profile, if that makes sense. Well, first of all, I appreciate it.

I don't know, this is something that I've come across in my own musings, which are constant. You know as a podcast or you get ideas in your head and they don't disappear, they dance around and do the macarena for like 24 hours at least. And then you start putting other ideas that start becoming their dancing partners in there. And all of a sudden you've got emergent ideas coming on it. It never stops, right? Especially for people like you and me that do like five podcasts a week. It's never ending. And one of the ideas that has been dancing around for maybe a year or two in my head is, first of all, the first question, which I think a lot of people should be asking themselves is if something similar like what happened happened again, would

you do the same thing? Would you do it differently? That should at least inform what you think about what you did. Secondly, and this is where I really have been trying to break it down, why is it that you or me did what we did when we did it? Because I think most people, I think that this is just patently the case, is you're only as good as your training, right? You can't perform better than you're ready for. So you have this emergency happening. One of the things that Peterson brought up in his book 12 Rules for Life was an interesting thing I like to keep in mind. He said that the word emergency, the root word is emergence. And so an emergency by definition comes out of nowhere. You aren't expecting it. It blindsides you. So if an emergent emergency hits you, you're only going to

be able to react at the level that you were ever going to react up to that point based upon that emergency if that makes sense. So my question to myself that I've been asking is what is it about me because I know that I would do the same thing. And it almost frustrates me that I know that I would do the same thing because I know that I'm just lining myself up for this in the future if more of this stuff happens. But why is that the case? And then of course trying to retroactively break it down. Why do you think that other people did what they did? And then I think that that introspection and that picking a part of what's great about any of these events is that they're easier to see retroactively. So you can look back and see things clearer outside of the malaise than when you're in the

ground floor, you know, at the front lines trying to just survive day to day. And there is a lot there that I think that society would do well, we would do massively well to not ignore, but in fact to intentionally dissect starting with ourselves. Everybody needs to question themselves what they did and why. See the good, see the bad, correct the bad, amplify the good. And all change, all meaningful change always happens from the grassroots up. It doesn't happen from the top level down, which is how governments generally try to push people, and it's why it always bounces back because the grassroots is going to grow through it. The quote that came to mind when you talk about training is under pressure you don't rise to the

occasion you sink to the level of training and that's why we train so hard that's that's uh attributed to an anonymous navy seal and that's immediately what i thought of uh there you know when you talk about things you would have done differently and this will be funny to people uh i would have talked about it earlier i drug my feet would i would i personally feel like it's too long you know i i started openly talking to doctors on here and different professors and different things in august of 2021 and by that time uh you know i'd already been arguing about this since essentially july 2020 i had my three months stint where i thought the world was collapsing and and everything else and then i started to pull myself out of that started to read things started to listen to things and

for a year i didn't talk about it because i you know i i didn't want to i wanted to talk about hockey i just wanted to bring some light to the world if that makes sense you know like there's so many lessons to be learned out of sport in particular that I just thought was very important. Of course, you fast forward to August 2021 thinking this would go away and it just wouldn't go away. So then you started talking about it. So if I look back, the first thing I would have done was I would have talked about it immediately. From a marital standpoint, I would have brought my wife along for more of the ride. How so? Well, so, you know, where I sit, we just started back up last two months. Two months ago. We had Tamara Leach in town and then this a couple weeks ago we had Tanner Nadey and John O'Brien

and it's a group called for the kids' sake. It's basically a group that got formed at the end of 2020. We met in a gym to start with argued about what we were going to do. Then it was an old bull barn where, you know, it was like it was a meeting with like, what can we do? It was a whiteboard and you broke out into groups and you're like, I think we should try these things. You know, it was so like, Nobody knew what to do, but we knew when we had to be trying to do something. And that goes on for almost a full year. And instead of bringing my wife along for the ride, she was in home making sure the kids were taking, you know, and you can blame yourself and I remember. But I should have pushed harder because I was hearing conversations that and seeing things that were hard to unsee and hard to.

And some of it was just exploration. And I think, you know, one of the things that led me to Ottawa, although she understood, would be really hard to understand because she was. She doesn't sit here and talk to everybody. Right. How many, there's a whole bunch of listeners that are phenomenal that not only keep up to everything I do, but probably keep up everything Drew does and keeps up to everything Joe Rogan does. And I'm just like, I don't know how you do it. In fairness, I kind of get it because I'm doing this every single day and prepping and all these different things.

And so you're like, I kind of get it. When it comes back to my relationship, you know, one of the things I wish I would have done, and I'm starting to do better now, is brought my wife along for all of it. Because she didn't have to agree with her. all. I don't have to agree with it all. But we need the communication and we need those conversation starting points in order to see the problems coming ahead. Because if you don't talk about what's coming ahead, it's pretty hard to adjust and see, you know, and know what to do. It's hard to train for that time where, you know, you're starting. We talked about the book club.

We had the book club met for, started in 2018. So we were arguing about COVID for a full on year. We never stopped meeting. We'd sit. We'd have our coffee. and we'd sit there and we'd argue about it to the cows come home. It was uncomfortable. It was everything. Very few people didn't, that's a small minority of the population did that. Had the opportunity to do that.

And I think when it comes to my marriage in particular, it's something that I've tried to, not correct, but just do better of moving forward, right? Like when it comes to, it doesn't matter, whatever thing I think is going to be difficult in the future, and there's a bunch. like, well, we better start talking about this. And it's going to be uncomfortable.

And I may not agree with my wife or she may not agree with me. But if we don't have the conversation, as it starts to ratchet up, they won't feel the ratchet up. All they'll see is, it's not that big of a deal. It's like you missed the 18 steps to get here. Once you start to see the 18 steps start in the form, you can start to begin to understand this isn't good. Like, this is not good.

That's one thing I'm sure I would do differently. Yeah. I can echo that because it's something, it's one of my biggest regret. to be honest. By the time that I started podcasting about this stuff, I had my own Jiu-Jitsu podcast before. That was just kind of for kicks. And I was just kind of, I was bored in a gym that was shut down and there was nobody around every day. So I was like, what do I got to do to fill my time? And part of it, excuse me, at that point, too, was I just hadn't talked to people. We were in lockdown for so long. I'm like, I just want to talk to somebody, you know? So I just started my Jiu-Jitsu podcast. but it got to a point by February,

and this is going to be pertinent to Canadians, by February 13th of 2022, was my first social disorder podcast. I didn't even have a name for it. I still ran it as the Because Jitsu podcast, but I'm going to start talking about it. I started it with an episode I titled The Elephant in the Room. I'm like, these are all the things

that I'm not supposed to talk about. Meanwhile, you know, well, I've not been talking about this. I've lost my business. lost my home, my sister's been paralyzed, and I'm not allowed to talk about any of this stuff. I'm of the belief and it's being reinforced online through everybody who tries that if I talk about this stuff, I will be labeled forever as a fill in the blank pejorative, maybe 10 of them. I'm going to lose friends.

I'm going to lose reputation. I'm going to lose money. I'm going to lose opportunity. And meanwhile, I'm barely surviving on the road trying to eke out a living in e-commerce. as well. I don't know if I'm going to be in this state or that province over the next month, and I don't know if I'm going to be able to. Like it was, it was not a small decision at that point, but I mean, to bring up an idea that Peterson again brings up, he's on my mind because I just saw him yesterday in Red Deer, and I've been catching up a lot on his work because I'd heard him a lot

on podcast, but I'd never read and like read his corpus of actual written work. And his ideas around not just the Jungian archetypes, which I find interesting, but around truth and lies, was one of the topics he talked about last night, is that lies, they only hurt yourself over time. And a type of lie is a lie of omission, is not talking about the truth, there's a type of lie. And I was not talking about the truth so long, and it didn't save me, it didn't shelter me, everything was falling apart, and nobody knew about it. So why shouldn't I talk about it? Everything's falling apart anyways. So at that point, literally, one day before the invocation of the Emergencies Act, I talked out. I was in, I was already in the

US at that point. I think I was in Arizona when I did my first one, something like that. And what I expected to happen happened anyways, but I knew it was going to happen. I lost friends, people called me names, sent me bad DMs, stopped talking to me, all those things. But life carried on, you know, a few weeks later, less of that. A few weeks later, more beneficial interactions and all of a sudden they realize that it's actually not as scary as you think it is. It's not like jumping off a diving board into piranhas like you think it is. It's probably just like a one meter into a chlorinated pool. You just got to get over it.

And once you get over it, man, that was my first regret. It's like, why didn't I do this earlier? I've had these ideas since 2020, you know, April of 2020. I was pretty early to the, I don't think I'm on board with a lot of this stuff here, guys. I'm going to sort of hang out back here and wait and see. but I should have, while I was waiting and seeing, talked about what I was seeing and I didn't. It's funny from a podcast side of it. I find when I embrace where my brain is at, I have the best success on the podcast.

How do you mean? Well, when I first started, I didn't know what the heck I was doing. And then, of course, people remember a couple of key interviews, Andrew Liebenberg, followed by, Dr. Andrew Liebenberg, followed by, Dr. Andrew Liebenberg, followed by Dr. Roger Hodkinson, followed by Peter McCullough. That kind of sets the stage for where I go. And I was terrified to do it because I knew what the world wanted you to do. And yet, by doing it, you know, it was kind of like freeing. You know, I've been holding my tongue everywhere I go because I just disagree.

And everybody tells them I'm wrong. And the problem is, is if I don't talk about it, I can't spit out what I'm trying to say. This takes time. I've watched your journey and I am another guy that comes to mind is Nick von Dubbs at Eminton. I've watched both of you. You both do solo podcasts. I think I said this last time to you. It's been amazing just watching your brain grow. I mean that is it's been so cool to watch and listen to for that matter and read for that matter right. Yeah, that's what led to that book to be honest. It's just been really, really, really cool. But the thing is if you don't, so you're stuck in some corporation, Sean was there, and nobody agrees with you, Sean was there,

and nobody wants to talk to you because you're kind of becoming, and I'm being a little harsh because they still talk to me, but you understand that I can't formulate my thoughts and have a discussion on it because nobody wants to hear them anyways. So you get pushed into a corner. It's hard to explain what's on your mind. And, you know, it's like, why did you need to say, like, when you listen to what you just said, folks, it's like, that's a powerful story, right, of how bad society got when you're losing everything and nobody's, wants he's still to talk about it. It's like, oh, you know, and by having this and really opening up on it, what you found out was, oh yeah, there was uncomfortable moments. There still is. But there's

so many of these people coming awake that are like, thank you. I mean, the text line is really powerful in a lot of senses, Drew, because in one sense, it allows me to find guests I never would have found on my own. But in another sense, there's text that come in that is like real emotion through text about how much your voice has just allowed people to hold on. I have a hard time grappling with that because I don't think I'm doing anything that like you know I got told by Vance Crow like oh you know you might be I forget his words but like toxic because I went to Ottawa and I've been talking and he goes oh I might not you know kind of joking around and I'm like that's insane to me because I don't think I've done anything wrong I don't

think I've said anything that's that crazy and yet that's the way the world wanted you make me feel. That's the way a lot of the texters have been made to feel. And by just speaking openly, it's open that. So that was the first one. And the next one was, I was terrified of this. And we kind of talked about this the first time you're in studio, you know, God, your idea of God. What is it? Jesus Christ. Is it there? What is it? And I've had two guys on now. The listeners know exactly who they are, Tanner Nadee and Joshua Allen, Cowboy Preacher. Yeah, I listened to the Tanner episode. It's fascinating. Oh, well, you need to go on your way home. You listen to the cowboy preacher and you let me know what you think about it. Most interactive with

podcasts I've had, bar none. And he's, uh, you know, what does he say, folks? I think he says something on fire, I'm on fire for Jesus Christ. And, you know, like a year ago, for sure, I think I was trying to, I was, I was writing it out because I was trying to get to the bottom of this thought. It wasn't that Jesus was a swear word, but in our culture, I would say it was a little bit like don't talk about you it's a turn off thank you yeah and so i can safely say that if you you know i i i i talked um what was his name the running back for new orleans folks that's terrible i can see him willie no not william football like player i don't know it doesn't matter i don't follow football he said he said right at the end of his interview this is like three years ago he says

right at the end of his interview he was played for the new orleans new orleans he knows oh i just want to say and i'm christian And I'm like, that was kind of weird. And I was kind of off put by it. Do I edit it out? Like that's in my brain, right? So, fast forward to where I am right now. I'm reading the New Testament right now.

I find it fascinating. I'm really leaning hard into it since Ottawa, a lot of strange things have just been going on. I can't even begin to explain it. And I have been dragging my feet on bringing on the podcast because I'm like, I don't know. Like, how I'm really going to talk about Jesus? Is that what I'm going to do?

and when I let go and just embrace it and go where I want it to go, well, you get in 500 episodes, I'm telling you, the cowboy preacher Joshua Allen, I've never had an episode be interactive with, like, on my phone, like anything like that. Don't get me wrong,

Peter McCullough and Robert Malone and all these different things, it's not to think they're not interacted with, they certainly are. You're interactive with. Everybody gets interactive with. That one is like a bomb went off And just for like 12 hours a day, every hour just new text.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And then you wake up the next morning and ding, ding, ding, ding, and it just starts all over again. Because people are waking up, starting their day and listen to the podcast and they stumble on it because they haven't, you know, you know me by now. I don't go, this is the greatest podcast ever. You need to listen to this one. That's a good Trump. You know, I just let people find it. It's huge.

I'll let people find it. And then when they find it, they're just like, holy crap. And I guess I come back to where did this all start with it? It started with when you embrace where your brain is at and where you want to go, there's other people that are dealing with the same bloody thing. They're seeing the craziness. They're dealing, seeing the different things go on. If they went to Ottawa, they certainly are seeing it.

And it's crazy. So I just go, when I embrace it with the podcast, I'm always amazed at the results, but I shouldn't be because it's what people are craving. I'm craving now more than ever. Yeah. That makes perfect sense to me, in fact, because I've, have had a similar experience with a different topic because I like to I like to wax philosophical sometimes on some of my solo episodes that have nothing to do with pop culture

nothing to do with COVID nothing to do with anything that is like in the news or popping or whatever I usually talk about and I'll get like really meta and really deep and I really enjoy that I mean that's most of what I did in this book that I wrote and they would always get like fewer downloads and I was like man am I the only one that cares about this stuff. Maybe I should stop talking about it. And then I met some people in person. And this one guy particularly at a Jiu-Jitsu tournament,

I had just competed actually, and he came up to me afterwards. And I expect him to be like, hey, great match or whatever. He's like, dude, thank you for the show. I love when you talk about consciousness. I was like, oh. Oh, so those aren't accidental downloads. Maybe there's people actually that like it. So whenever I have those feelings,

I mean, I'll admit, I watch the numbers. and I get a little too over-invested in them sometimes. And I'll be like, I can't let them dictate what I want to do as the host because then I'm not, to your point, being true to the topics I'm picking. If I'm just like, I don't know what I want to talk about today, let me just find an article and I'll rant on it. I don't really care about that article. And I feel like that will present a false version not only of me, but of the topic.

And people will, they'll sense that vibe. but I don't want to at any point make it synthetic. Yeah. I stopped looking at, like, don't get me wrong. People ask me about numbers all the time, you know? It's like how many episodes or how many downloads? Like, listen, folks, I don't have 50. At one point I had 50,000 downloads on YouTube on one episode.

And I was like, oh, my God. And then they blew it up and I haven't been back on YouTube since. So you can kind of see my, it's like, eh, I'm in it for the long game. Now, maybe Sean's missing opportunities, Drew. It's possible. But I had the thought the other day where I'm like, I'm trying to set the foundation of Sean and the Sean Newman podcast so that when turbulent times come again,

I'm a rock instead of kind of like this kite floating in a hurricane kind of thing, right? I want to make sure that I'm upset and I got it. And that's why I come back to the family and making sure that, you know, Peterson, you know, clean up your own room and then maybe you can, and then maybe you can, you know, start to do things in your own house

and then maybe you can do something in your community. It's like, to me, that's what I'm trying to do. And, you know, you talk about things that just don't light you up and how audience can feel that. It's like, I don't know what it is about the Alberta election

because I just, I think it's foregone conclusion. I think all the fearmongering, don't get me wrong, Maybe it's closer than I give credit to and maybe somewhere somewhere. I mean, we're doing election night coverage. I think that's going to be a ton of fun.

But as for like racing out and like hammering on doors and everything, there's some people that are lit up by that. And if you're lit by that, great. Sean ain't lit up by that. I don't know why. I wish I could get to the bottom of that and be lit up by it and go to Calgary and bang on doors and try and push the good fight. But I'm like, I think for me, for me, you know,

talking to third person here, but I think for me, I'm like, I really want to answer some of the, the big questions. Because if I can figure out the answer some of the big questions, then I think society gets to progress. And maybe I'm wrong on that. I have very similar feelings about that. And tell me if this is how you feel as well, because I have that natural drive to gravitate to the big questions, but not even necessarily to get the big answers. I don't know why that is exactly if that's intrinsic to just how I am as a person, but I'm more interested in just the journey towards the questions

than I even am in any specific destination they may lead to. Like I don't look for these big questions to be like, therefore now I can fix all of the problems. Maybe I can, but it's actually not what drove me to get there. There's an idea, a concept that I bring up in my book, I call The Mind of the Ant, which is actually just kind of like a rehash of, of Hindu's version of Dharma, which is just both of them are a version or an idea of there is something that it is to be you.

And whenever you do something that isn't what it is to be you, you're not going to feel like you. You're not going to like it. You're not going to get lit up for it. But when you find the thing that you most want to do, then of course it will resign or resound with you because it's actually a very important part of who you are. And I think for people like you and me, we're very curious people, we're interested in big stories and big ideas. And hopefully we can get some great results, some great answers that can help a lot of people. But that I feel like wasn't the driving force for it, which I think is good because then if we weren't getting the answers, we'd quit. But I think that we'll just have to continue doing it because we know how good it feels to do it.

It's what we most want to do anyways. and, you know, the easiest way to give up on something is to project a guaranteed result that doesn't happen, you know? If you fail and you're like, oh, man, I guess I'm no good. Why did you start, right? Do you like playing hockey or do you just do it to get the Stanley Cup, you know? Like these people will come back every season. It's not because they're being paid well. It is, but that's not why they do it.

They didn't, like, strap on skates when they were six years old because they figured they make a lot. Exactly. There's all sorts of ways to do that. You could go sell real estate for that. Why is it hockey for you? Because you just naturally gravitated to it. You can't even tell me why, but you just can tell me that that's the case. And for you and me, it seems to be this type of exploration, this type of back and forth conversing.

I don't know, man. Like, you used to sell cars. I used to weld. Like, neither of those things for us was the thing. We had to feel it out and we found our way. And whether that's Dharma, whether that's mind of the ant, whether that's fate, whether that's in destiny. I've sold a lot of things in my time,

and I really enjoyed the interaction with people and trying to figure out how, kind of like the investigative part of like figuring out how to somebody ticks because you could figure that out as a salesman, then you can sell them something, right? There's like, you know, if you can figure out their problem, then you can, and one of the things about this is like you get to explore a ton of people and see how they work

and see how their brain works. And out of that comes big, ideas out of that comes things you've never thought of and by osmosis alone like you get to start to like put some of that into your life and like and carry on and now people are along for the ride and I mean I mean like in general you get to talk to some people you'd never ever think of ever talking to you know like one being Joshua Allen that and that story in itself is just like that would never have happened if I'd never started this I would have never you know it's just like maybe not never but the the possibilities or the probability

maybe of that ever occurring without the podcast is like so minute and so this this thing is open up doors one of the things that i think is crazy i'm going on to my fifth year podcasting good for you and i noticed this uh really early on it was um i have this like three year lifespan of of a job so i worked with my my brother and my my brothers and my dad at t bar and after three years i was I was just ready to move on. And then I went into sales at Champion, and after three years, I was just ready,

maybe not to move on from the company, but certainly to move on from my area. And then with Baker, my last job, I lasted five years, but by year three, I was stagnant. Yeah.

And I remember working through it with a career coach and just being like, I can see that after three years, I don't know, I don't want it to be that way. I would love to change that in me. But I,

It seems to be your tolerance level. Except for when I hit what I, with podcasting, it doesn't even come to mind. Like I haven't thought about once about quitting. Certainly about maybe changing the focus. 100%. Because you're not tolerating it day to day. You know, you don't have to drag your ass out of bed for it. It's a wild thought, though.

You know, that you, if you can, and not everybody's going to be podcasting. Certainly some people, you know, maybe it's woodworking, just lights you up or whatever it is. You know, you don't have to go in this. I can tell you from playing hockey. until I was 25. There were days in there where it is a slog, man. Like even in junior, I think our regular season was 50-some games and then playoffs. By game like 32, you're like, are we done yet?

Like, I just want to get the playoffs. The rest of this is just for the, like, leave me alone. I can't imagine playing 82 in the NHL. And certainly playoffs is playoffs. I don't think any hockey player is not going to be like, like, I couldn't play 50 games of playoffs. It's like unreal. But even then, like the emotional role.

roller coaster up down the pressure everything on it is like it's a tough slug I'm not to make light of them they're making huge money and everything else but you got to be in the gym you got to take care of yourself you got to be you got to you got to you got to you got to you got to and it never ends there's so much goes in behind that like do I wish I could play in the nchel yeah I'm pretty sure I would have loved playing in the nchel but don't kid yourself there's a lot of work that goes on to that or to podcasting that a ton of people don't see they hear and uh go oh I'd love to do and then you get into whatever the hobby is or whatever the job is, and you realize how much BS work goes in the eye.

Nobody enjoys the BS. I don't care what. I don't enjoy some of the BS that comes with this. I enjoy this part. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I've done a lot of different things that are like that. They're based in something that I really love doing,

whether it was martial arts or I've got an artistic side, so like making digital art or something like that, that it can be a serious grind. times, but I actually am more interested in grinding that than I am in grinding something that I don't care about. In fact, I get real tired of that real fast. And that's, that for me was basically every other career that I had before I found like doing martial arts professionally and then doing podcasting professionally. Like, these are joys to me that I don't, nobody had to tell me that this would be fun. You know, once you did it, you're like, wow, I want to do that again. And that,

that's never stopped even with the grind. And I mean, the grind can be everything including, you know, game-changing injuries or can be like existential concern about government censorship and whether you're going to be able to make the bills next month. Like there's some serious considerations that weigh on you day to day. There's a lot of, like you're saying, behind the scenes work that you have to do day to day. You ever think you'd be worried about government censorship? I mean...

Dude. I've thought about it in an Orwellian sense. a different universe outside of my brain. I've never had to worry that in Canada, I would ever have to worry about that. It's a different world for people like you and me post C-11. And I don't think we even know what that means yet. This is like, we're going to see. We're going to see. It's just happened not too long ago. There's going to be implementations. There's going to be overreaches that we'll figure out after they've happened. We already know like over the last wild the amount of suppression, censorship, de-platforming.

Well, I mean, just, I mean, listen, I got removed from YouTube for, like, I mean, if you go back through those episodes, the only thing they didn't like was I was, I was showcasing things that went against the narrative, wasn't inciting violence, wasn't doing any of that, it was just showcasing, which, I mean, doesn't need any explanation, but the thing that got me removed, immediately was Chris Barber on the side of the road, talking about this idea of a trucker convoy. That, see you later. We're not going to have any of that. You know what that probably was.

That was from the Canadian government to YouTube that says if any of X, Y, and Z shows up on your platform, that's hate speech, that's whatever, terrorism, whatever they want to title it for. And YouTube or Google, they're not going to say anything against the government about that. Now we're talking about the government themselves that have empowered themselves. They don't have to go to Google. They don't have to go to YouTube. If YouTube wants to do business in Canada, these are the rules before you cross the border. into our land to talk to our people. They don't have to have that interaction of like if Chris Barber comes up,

that's going to be a no-go on my side kind of thing. So do you think then, once again, and you come back, do you think the strides in effect? Well, C-11 is going to strangle, but what they don't understand is actually it's just going to, more and more people are going to go over here, and they're trying to hold everything off. But in the meantime, it just sprint, you know,

it's like a thousand leaks on a boat. You just put a finger in one, and they don't realize that it's going to come through when people are craving it more now than ever. And you know, you can try. Certainly if you're, if you're still stuck in the age of just Googling to find, like I can't imagine Googling whatever. I mean, I don't even know at this point, right?

Well, we've seen efforts over the last while for an authoritarian overreach to try to censor information. Has it stopped the information? You know, short term, it makes it difficult. It makes it dangerous. Hasn't stopped anything. And it seems like to speak to your point, the finger in the dam, like the water pressure is building up. How long can that finger stick there

before it just gets blasted out? And in the meantime, I mean, like this is a known both psychological and economic fact that like any sort of free system or free market is going to work around obstacles. They don't just stop at them. You don't stop the free market because you don't like it, you know? So if there is a market for information and yes, there's a market for information, it's going to get out whether you like the information or not. Even when you're whether the information is helpful, truthful, or useful or not. It just will get out. And then in that, you know, obscured but still free market,

the wheat will rise. Meritocracy will do what it does. And this is just how the oscillation happens to find that homeostasis again. Well, man, this has been a lot of fun. I know we're going to fire up, you know, as we seem to do now, is the old back-to-back. So as you're finished listening to this, if you want to catch not part two, but kind of part two,

of course on the social disorder will be firing up another conversation as well so you can go find more of it there either way appreciate you coming in and doing this i hate to end it you know like i feel like i could sit here and talk to you for four hours i mean but we kind of are right like uh in an essence but appreciate you making the the drive up this way and i look forward to uh i don't know seeing your progression more as it as it goes because it's been a fun watch thus far and hopefully you know in the coming years as you continue to to vacate down to uh the States for six months. I'd love to come and, uh, I don't know, uh, kind of experience a little bit of that with you, not that six months is what we're going to do, but certainly to, uh, to explore that because I

think that's a really cool what you're doing. And certainly the podcast opens up options for me sitting here that, you know, normally I would have never, ever had. And so, uh, either way, look forward to seeing where it all goes and appreciate you making the drive down here to do this. Yeah, anytime Sean was blessed.