Shaun Newman Podcast - #440 - Donald Lee

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

Musician, teacher, band director, economist, power engineer, marketer, businessman, athlete, public speaker, and author. He holds degrees in economics and education, has performed professionally as a musician, was a finalist in the 1995 World Championship of Public Speaking, was a member of the 2013 Canadian Triathlon Team, and has taught band in several Alberta communities as well as in international schools in Kuwait and Pakistan. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 SNP Presents: Luongo & Krainer https://www.showpass.com/snp-presents-luongo-krainer/ Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast

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Today I'm sitting with Donald Lee. So, sir, thanks for stopping into the studio. It's my pleasure. Thanks for inviting me. Wouldn't it happen if you hadn't invited me. Wow. I mean, that's usually how it starts, isn't it? Well, let's start here.

Who is Donald? Tell me a little bit about yourself and, you know, we'll see where we get to today. A little bit about myself. Where do I begin? You're probably too young to know that song, but that's wrong. From, I think, the 1972 film, now the name of it's gone out. Oh, love, love's in the title. Love story.

Really? Yeah, 19, I think it was 72 of there about their love story. It was the big hit of the time. And, of course, the male actor was the heartthrob for all the teenage girls at the time. And I was teenage at the time, and all the girls were, oh, oh, you know. Ryan O'Neill. Ryan O'Neill. Don't even know that, you know, that's how, that's how sad I am right now.

But you weren't, he was already old by the time you were born, Sean. But that's okay. That's okay. We all have our time. Oh, he kind of looks, you know, sorry. Now I'm like, oh, I got to pull it up. He kind of looks like he's leisure at a quick glance for people listening. Anyways, love story, yeah.

And Ali, Ali McGraw, I don't even know who that is, was the lead actress? Yeah. Well, neither one of them are sort of beautiful by today's. standards. And I think that was part of it. They were ordinary people. And I'm curious, you know, you sing the song and you're, and I'm like, so obviously it stuck with you. Was it a good movie, obviously? You know what? I never even saw the movie, but all the girls, you know, told me about it. You know, you know, as a young guy, it's that kind of, you know, it's a chick flick. You know, give me a war. You've never watched it? Give me a war movie.

You know, it's all like an adventure, you know, James Bond or something like, you know how it is when you're a teenager, hey? You don't want that stuff. But it was a very famous song and my sister played it on the piano all the time and, yeah, I play a little bit. Fair, fair. I didn't mean to pull us off track already. That's okay. That's okay. So, yeah, I mean, as a musician, I know the melodies.

And as an instrumentalist, I usually never learned the words, right? I just, I have an instrument in my mouth. I'm a woodwind player, clarinet, saxophone, and. flute so you can't sing and play at the same time so you know I know the melodies and I never remember the words but yeah it's it was a classic kind of a story they fall in love and and then the I think the the male lead got cancer and then died you know went through that so they're just at the beginning of their life and their love and all of a sudden they have to go through this process of sickness and dying and separation and yeah it's a it's a it's a tragic love story

And by the sounds of it, a movie that's kind of not by the same title by any stretch, although I'm sure it's been remade a few different times, but that story has been remade in a few different titles, you know, in my lifetime. Oh, of course. I mean, yeah. It's essentially the Romeo Juliet. Yeah, with a different spin. Yeah, a little bit of a different spin.

So who am I? You know, our listeners from Alberta will know the name of Fort Saskatchewan. I grew up and spent most of my life in what used to be a small town of Fort Saskatchewan, just downstream the river a little bit from Edmonton. And I was really involved in our school band program. We had a great school band program at that time. This was the early to mid-1970s, and I was really heavily into music, and I wanted to become a musician, went off to the University of Toronto

after I graduated from high school in the music performance program, and while I was there, got a little closer look at what the life of a musician was actually like. And I decided that as much as I love music, that wasn't, didn't really offer me some of the things I was looking for in life, like regular meals. And so I dropped out of university the first of three or four times I dropped out of university and then kind of cast about for, you know, try different things. When was it about a life of a musician that you mentioned meals? Was that, you're just saying they had to work their butt off or long hours or what do you mean? Yeah, you don't make much money. There's no much work.

And it's got worse over time, right? More and more. So I'm going to pick at this a little bit. Are you saying then when you started to get a closer look, you realized there was no money in it? So you walked away from it? Or was it more than that? Well, there was no money in it. You're always working nights.

Very few of the musicians that I knew had successful marriages, almost all their marriages and relationships broke down. You know, many of them, well, maybe not many, but, you know, amongst musicians, addiction to drugs and alcohol is very common. One of the guys I went to school with became a musician and became an alcoholic. You know, it's a classic tale again. So, you know, all of those things that, well, I kind of would like a normal family life, you know, at least a little bit normal. And I didn't see any musicians that had normal family lives.

It's just, it's very challenging to try to have a normal family life and a successful career as a performing musician. You're always out in the evenings. That's when performances are. Well, that's when that's the family time, right? So you're not together with your family when it's growing up. And, you know, you have temptations because there's other women and your wife's at home alone. And it's just, it's just how old? You're like, what, 19, 18?

When you're seeing, sorry, I'm just, yeah, 18, 19. It's, the reason I pry on it a little bit is, to me it's like, oh, if it's just about the money, I'm just curious about that. But what you get to is some of the values that I hold dear, right? Yeah. You know, and as a young kid, I can safely save for myself. I probably wasn't thinking about any of that, right? And so I'm just, you know, I'm just curious to see how your brain works on different things. And, you know, the life of a musician.

That's interesting. just, you know, it's nothing I've ever, I've never been a musician. You know, I've never played an instrument. I've never been gifted that way. So I've never really looked at it that hard, but everything you say makes complete sense. Yeah. Anyway, so. And in saying that, it's interesting for a young Donald to have recognized that and said,

ah, this isn't just, this isn't for me. Because a lot of young men would love nothing more than to be out at night around other, women and everything else and, you know, kind of that limelight. Anyways, you get the point. Oh, yes, of course. I mean, it appeals to our vanity, right? And music is fantastic. Music is incredible.

It's beautiful. I love music. But there's certainly more to life than money, right? Money has, although there's been, all of us want money, all of us need money, all that kind of stuff, right? it hasn't been a kind of a dominant theme in my life and maybe that's why I get to now

I'm 65 years old don't have to buy a fishing license in Alberta this year for the first time and yeah and I don't have much money I've never had much money so but whatever it's actually freeing not to have much stuff

so but anyway so I dropped a university did various different jobs and somewhere around 1980 or thereabouts, I needed a job for a few months to get a little bit of money together so I could go off and do something great with my life. So I took a job as a laborer at one of our local fertilizer manufacturing companies in Fort Saskatchewan. Some of our listeners will remember the name of Sherritt fertilizers. So I took a job as a labor at Sherritt, and one thing led to another, got a girlfriend, we got married, started a family, bought a house, got a mortgage, and all of a sudden, you know, six months' worth of a laborer's wage wasn't enough to just up and take off and do something great.

So kind of by default, I ended up spending almost two decades in the fertilizer industry. And I moved on from being a labor to moved into process operations and became a power engineer, worked in our ammonia plant or utilities plant. I went back to university while I was still working at the plant. Technically, I was a full-time student at U of A for four years while I was still working full-time. shift work at the plant, trying to be a full-time father to eventually four kids and a full-time husband, and as you can imagine, doing badly at everything. But anyway, it's, you know, you're young and stupid and you think, I can do this. I can, you know, you bite off a big mouthful and you chew

on it as best you can. And so, finally in 1990, I graduated with a degree in economics and with that was eventually able to weasel my way into a job in fertilizer marketing, worked in marketing for a little bit, and then I moved over into our fertilizer new products research group, and I worked in the research for about five years, and my role was a marketing function looking at our new product, ideas and projects in terms of, you know, what would the market be for this, who would buy it, what would it cost, what could we sell it for, you know, is there any money in this, is there any potential, should we, you know, should we work on and developing, you know, marketing plans.

And we took a couple products to the test marketing and test production phase. And that was exciting. I love that. But then in 1999, the company had gone through several transformations, mergers, and acquisitions and stuff like that. Sherritt fertilizers had bought the ESO fertilizer plant at Redwater and later merged with what used to be Kaminko fertilizers that had separated as Sherritt also split into it's fertilizer and metal divisions into separate companies, and then shared fertilizers merged with what used to be Kaminko fertilizers and became a big agriam, and they decided that,

oh, you know what, we happened to achieve the synergies we were expecting, right, which typically means they want to get rid of a whole bunch of people. So they went through big organizational review of the whole company, wanted to give it. They announced this and, you know, announced the deal right up front and it was no surprise to anybody. But they said, we want to get rid of about 400 people and here's the deal. You're going to get one month's salary for every year you've been with a company and that's going to be the severance package. And so in June of 1999, even after my boss had said, I think the rest of us are safe, right? They'd already jettisoned the agricultural biological group that was in Saskatoon and it was 30 somewhat people. It said,

I don't think they're going to do anything else to the rest of our research group. So we bought a new house, got a bigger mortgage, and two weeks later, I got laid off. And as I say in my first book, if you want to make God laugh, make plans. So I ended up going back to my first love, which is music. I went back to university at the turn of the century there, did a second degree in education. How old are you at the turn of century? So I'm in my early 40s. Early 40s, okay.

Yeah. And so I got kids in junior and senior high school. And I'm going back to school. And most of the kids, right, that I'm in classes with are, you know, 19, 20 years old, 21, et cetera, stuff like that. So I was the old guy to them, right? And then right about the turn of the century, I became a newly minted band director and spent almost two decades as a band director and a teacher. And I have, over the years, I have done, you know, a little bit of work playing. semi-professionally as a performer. Clarinet's my principal instrument, but I also play saxophone and flute. And, of course, as a band director, I can play all of the band instruments, because I have to be able to teach them all, but so some of them I don't play very well. So that's kind of where I've come from. I spent two decades in the fertilizer industry, two decades as a teacher and a band director, and then in 2019, I retired from teaching to take out my third career as a spiritual author and speaker. And my first book is a book of modern day parables. And I started writing down some of these little things that happen in school. We sometimes call them teachable moments where something happens with the kids and you think,

ah, you know, kids, there's a bigger lesson happening unfolding right now than the alternate F sharp fingering on the clarinet that I was trying to teach you. And so I started writing some of those little incidents down and turning them into little parables. So my first book is called The Band Directors' Lessons About Life. And it's a book, it's a little bit like a chicken soup for the soul book. There's 50 different parables. Each one's about three pages long. Each one starts out with the story that happened in school, at least like the Hollywood movies say, it was inspired by real events. And then there's a reflection section that draws a spiritual lesson out of the events of the story. So there's a parable on love and a parable on forgiveness and on perseverance,

etc., 50 little parables. Well, I published this in December 2019. Now, in retrospect, we know what was happening in December 2019 in Wuhan, China, but none of us knew or understood at the time what was going on. And I'm not famous, right? I don't have millions of followers on Twitter and stuff like that. I can't just put a little message out, say, hey, Donald Lee wrote a great new book and millions of people buy it. This doesn't happen. But as long as I could go around and talk to people and tell them about my book, I could sell some. So in January and February of 2020, I traveled around Alberta a little bit and I did some book launch events and some book signings and bookstores and things like that. And I was able to sell some books at least. In March of 2020,

I was just in the midst of planning across Canada book selling tour on the whole world shut. down. And I thought, this is the flu. What the hell's going on? And unbeknownst to me at the time, of course, that ultimately became the title of my recent book, What the Hell's Going on? The web of fraud that is enslaving everyone and how we can escape to freedom. Because my life was turned upside down. All my plans for 2020 were thrown out the window by the government. And like so many people, right, remember the word pivot from 2020? We all had to pivot. Right? We ended up to change our plans, change our lives, do whatever. Couldn't do anything. So my first thought was, well, forget this. I haven't been skiing all winter. I'm going to go skiing.

So we were living in Peace River. I finished up my teaching career in Peace River. So I took off to Powder King to ski for a couple days. Well, the second day I was skiing, they announced, oh, you know what, where the hills are going to shut down after the end of the weekend because the BC government has shut down all the ski hills. And I thought, what the hell is going on? You can't even go skiing. I mean, you couldn't go to a public building. They were all closed.

And then I couldn't get my haircut, right? You've noticed this long hair. Well, this is new. This is going back to my old teenage hippie self. So, because the haircutters were closed along with everything else. So I couldn't get my haircut. You know how when your hair gets a little bit longer than you can normally keep it? It starts to bug you, right?

starts to fall in your eyes and the hair was hitting the hitting my ears and that was irritating and I was mad about that for a couple weeks and finally I decided well forget this I won't cut my hair I won't cut my hair till we get freedom back so that was three years ago it might get pretty long that's um well that's quite the journey you've had then essentially is what you're you're pointing out uh well I don't know there's a whole bunch there What is it, you know, with your newest book, let's, if we, we can, we fast forward to, you know, I don't know, is it the most pertinent? Yes. Yes, because it's the question everyone's been asking, what the hell's going on?

Sure. Nothing makes sense anymore. In fact, just at the event last night, as I was chatting with a couple afterwards, you know, the wife said, yeah, nothing makes sense. Yeah, you're right. That's what I started going. We call it now going down the rabbit hole, right? Yeah. Couldn't go anywhere, couldn't do anything, sit at home on your computer and try to figure

what's really going on? Because obviously, this didn't make sense. Like, we'd had worse flu. These things, you know, some of the basics were known right from the start. I mean, the whole world shut down went, there had been hardly any deaths. Well, that's not a pandemic. Right? A pandemic is when you have lots of people die unexpectedly, right, before their time, in a sense. But we didn't have masses of. people dying and yet everything got shut down. Well, we'd had worse flus before. At least twice in my lifetime.

If you go back to that time, everybody was bracing for the pandemic of people just dropping in the street and all the fear mongering and all the videos that come out that were showing the other side of the world where everybody was dropping dead everywhere. Everybody was bracing for that.

I remember that being very palpable, like that fear of like, you know, who is it going to be? Yeah, and then... But even at the time, I mean, people who were alert or people who were looking at some of the alternative media at that time were realizing, hold it, this doesn't make sense. If you're dying of the flu, of an influenza or a pneumonia, you're not walking down the street and suddenly drop dead. That's not how people die of influenza or pneumonia, right? Like, that didn't make sense with the story.

And then we ended up seeing, you know, I don't know how many people... realize this, but, you know, some of the film footage of hospitals in Italy, well, that was resurrected. You know, then they showed the same footage and they said, oh, this is in New York or this is in other things, hold it. And then some people pointed to go, hold it. That footage was actually taken two months ago, and that's not what you said it was. Oh, so sorry, our mistake. These aren't mistakes. Right? You don't accidentally get the, you know, film footage. two months ago. No, this is not a mistake. And this is one of the key ideas in my book is that we can see patterns in things. And when we're trying to understand what's really going on,

we need to look at patterns. It's all about pattern recognition. This is what police detectives do. This is what spies do. This is what artificial intelligence programs do. They look for patterns. And when you're able to identify a unique pattern, you know what it is you're looking at. But most of us haven't been taught the patterns that are actually going on. So we don't recognize them. It's like the old saying that everybody knows, right? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, flies like a duck, quacks like a duck, hey, it's not a spaceship.

It's a duck. Right? So we can, when we see a known pattern, we identify that. And to expand on that little saying a little bit, right, if you're good with your wildlife identification, with your waterfowl identification, you can tell what species of duck it is, right? Is that a mallard? Is it a pintail?

Is it a teal, a blue-wing teal, greenweed teal, godwall, you know, what kind of, or is it some related kind of waterfowl, right? Is it actually a goose or grieve? or a Morganser, right? And you can tell sometimes even by the sound of them, right, that characteristic quack, quack, that we associate with ducks. Actually, that's the mallard. Other ducks have different sounds, and they have different silhouettes in flight. So even if you can't see the coloring of them, if you are good enough with your waterfowl identification, you can recognize just the silhouette wet, you know, at dusk in flight. And then there's a few birds like, for example, gold eyes

that have a characteristic whistling of their wings. If they're flying over in the pitch dark and you hear that whistling, that's gold eyes. You can tell that. So if you're good, if you really know the pattern, it sometimes doesn't take very much evidence to be able to uniquely identify the pattern that you're seeing or hearing or perceiving. And so it is with the events of our world. And so one of the things I do in the book is I, first of all explain, it's all about pattern recognition. And then I go through and say, okay, look, here are some of the patterns that we're seeing. And one of the most important patterns is the pattern of communist subversion. And you can generalize that to totalitarian subversions. I mean, one of the gentlemen at the event last night

said, you know, what's going on is it isn't really communism. He called it syndicalism, which nobody's ever heard of anymore. Really, I think technocracy is a more accurate term for what we're seeing, but hardly anybody knows what technocracy is. Call it whatever form of totalitarianism you want. Like, as I say in the book, socialism is a bonbon of a thousand flavors. Pick your flavor. They're all ultimately the same. And, you know, I've had, you know, when I speak to freedom groups, and I'm on this tour speaking to freedom groups all across Canada. And, you know, I sometimes have people who have come from Eastern European countries to former communist come from and they say, you're right. They're all the same. It doesn't matter. So anyway, I won't delve into that.

But so one chapter looks at here's the pattern of communist subversion because it was they all explained to us decades ago by a fairly well-known KGB defecture by the name of Yuri Besmanov. And I would think that a lot of listeners have seen that interview. Yes. particular. I mean, you know, it's unnerving. And I was saying, basically, you know, we've had a couple different Eastern Europeans, Europeans on the podcast to talk about communism specifically and living under it. And one of the things that really struck me when I was interviewing Susanna, which listeners will recall, is she was talking about living in it until she was 27 and enjoying it for the first like 20-some years. And then realizing me at university that you could,

couldn't say certain things without repercussion, essentially. And I tied that to what Billboard Chris is doing in the United States right now about giving kids puberty blockers, essentially, nice and simple. And how some students are almost tearful in saying, if I agree with you, there will be repercussions. And when I hear that, I'm like, so we're already there. Yep. Like we're, I mean, at the university level, we're already there. Actually, everywhere in our society.

but we don't recognize the pattern so we don't see it and that's exactly one one of yuri besmanov's quotes that i repeat because i essentially one chapter i kind of summarize the it's like he laid out the kgb subversion operating manual he said here's how we do it there's four stages one two three four right and so i summarize that's okay here's the pattern do you see these things at work and once you realize hold it this is a pattern And then you will recognize, oh, yeah, I've seen all of those things in our society. Absolutely. And the one you just mentioned about not being able to speak freely, that's right.

And as Jordan Peterson has said, controlled speech is not free speech. Well, compelled speech. Compelsed speech, yeah, is not free speech. You have to say this. You can't say that. That's not free speech. No, that's totalitarianism. In whatever flavor you want a name you want to give it, right?

So as we see this, and I think more and more people are seeing, like, and can acknowledge that, why is it that it continues to persist and, I don't know, society doesn't put a screeching halt to it? Oh, well, there's lots of reasons, okay? There's lots of reasons. And I can only explain some in my book, but I can explain some of the most important ones. And I do, look, when I heard Professor Matthias Desmond for the first time, Yes, about mass formation. Thank you.

Man, lights went off in my head. That explains it. You know, because so many of us, and, you know, with the COVID fraud, these are all frauds, right? It's a subtitle of the web of fraud. This is a fraud. It's not a hoax. A hoax is something a little different. If you don't mind.

Sure. Hoax, fraud. Sure. Can you explain the two and why they're different? Yeah, because I looked up the definitions and I thought, you know, people are calling this a hoax, and not a hoax. A hoax is simply a humorous or a malicious deception. You see, even if you put on a surprise birthday party for your friend, that's a hoax. It's a deception. It's a humorous hoax, but nonetheless, it's a deception. Or if you play a nasty trick on somebody, I'm going to get even with

so-and-so. You know, that Sean Newman guy. You know, all of us have done, you know, practical jokes or, you know, practical mean things, you know, over the years. And, uh, well, that, you know, similar words toward practical joke, joke, jest, prank, trick, ruse, deception. Yeah. Now, but a fraud is always, a couple of characteristics here. A fraud is always a deception based on truth. Or you can't just build a grand fantasy out of nothing. People will quickly see through that. But there has to be a basis of truth to it. And so that's really important. All of these frauds, there's a basis of truth. People were getting sick, right? And isn't that what so many people point to? Well, all these people died of COVID. How can you say it's a hoax? Yeah, there's true. A lot of people died. So,

there's a basis of truth in this, in all of these things. The climate changes, yes, the weather changes, yes. There's an element of truth in there. So that makes a basis. So that makes a sense. it possible to build a deception around it. And fraud always has a purpose, right? And the purpose is to collect money and power from many hands into few. And I give a classic example when, you know, when I, in my presentation, I speak to freedom groups and in my book, I give an example. Here's how it works. And here's some lessons that we can draw from that. So these are frauds. And their purpose is mainly to collect power. And yes, money is involved.

Money and power go together, right? So there are some people are becoming fabulously wealthy through the climate fraud and through the COVID fraud and through all of these frauds, the drug fraud, terrorism fraud. Yeah, some people are becoming very wealthy.

But mostly it's about power because that's what totalitarianism is about. It's about power. That's why all the rest of the characteristics of this is communism and this is fascism and this ism and this ism and and you know the underlying commonality is they're all about power and everything else is negotiable and we for example we see we say you want to own land well sure you can own your land we're just going to gradually control it so you get to the point that your name's on the deed for your land but the government will tell you exactly what you can and can't do with your land and we see that happen all of the these, you know, new land restrictions that different counties and municipalities are trying to bring in, it's all about control. It's about giving greater power over your land to the municipal government. And actually, it turns out it's not the municipal government. Almost everywhere, we now have

regional planning commissions that govern all the land use stuff. And these are unelected bodies. and your municipality very often can't go against what the Regional Planning Commission says or sometimes they're given different names, right? But it's a regional body that has taken over essentially the control of land within regional areas. This is all part of sustainable development. This is part of the United Nations Sustainable Development Plan. And, you know, some of the things that were talked about last night, how they were talking largely about education, right?

and how the control of education and the control in governments has been taken away from our politicians. That's exactly part of step two of communist subversion. It's to move power away from elected politicians and elected bodies into unelected positions and unelected regional planning boards and bureaucracies. Our government has become so big, the gentleman made the point last night, that, you know, the politicians don't, like they don't write legislation. They don't write policy. Very often they can't even read the bills that are presented, right? So a problem comes up and bang, there's a thousand-page bill in parliament. Oh, we're going to do this. Where did that come from so quickly? Oh, the bureaucracy makes up all of these things. All of these things are made up in advance, just waiting for the problem to come up. And then, miraculously, the problem comes up. It's not an accident. It's not spontaneous. These, like, the COVID, it was obviously, I mean, the evidence is stamped all over it. This was planned. This was orchestrated, and this was implemented. It didn't just come up.

The same thing with the climate fraud. Every step of the way, you can see that every step is planned, is orchestrated, and is brought into place. Anyway, when you go back, I think you said, said 2019 you wrote your band teachers. The band director's lessons about life. Yes. So obviously this book in particular wasn't on the forefront of your mind. This wasn't what I wanted to do. Right.

I pivoted. It's funny. You talk about pivoting. That's what the podcast did. As you can look around the room and see all the jerseys. And I've said the story a lot. So I'll board the listeners. But essentially, you know, a pivot, a 180 degree turn, whatever.

What was it, you know, over the course of, you know, 2019 and the 2020 where you started looking and what was the first thing that really, you know, like obviously shutting down your ability to go tour on a book tour and talk to different people. And you mentioned the ski hill. Like when you started digging, what was the first thing that just sent off, I don't know, light bulbs? I don't know. That started you down this path. And for the listener, I'm tapping his book.

He's got his book sitting on the table. So I'm like, what started this? Why not just, I don't know, for, why not just, I don't know, hang out and I don't know. You know what I'm being. I'm being a little bit tongue and cheek, but it's like, why, why this? What was the inspiration? Yeah, thank you. What was the motivation?

Well, as I said, you know, and when everything shut down, we couldn't go anywhere, couldn't do anything in March, then, you know, all of us were stuck at home. and I looked at my computer and we're still connected to the Internet, started looking around, trying to make sense out of this. Didn't you know? Learning what I could learn. And I spent quite a lot of time during the rest of 2020 doing that. But one key thing was that the light came on and said,

this is communism. And it's, it might seem a little strange to some of our listeners, but one of the things that I did that I did a lot of writing on in 2020 was I started working on my own memoir and, you know, trying to go back and remember kind of key events in my life and things and write down the stories about what happened. And so I wrote a lot about that. And so one of the things that I tried to do in the context of that was to try to get back sort of into the headspace where I was at at certain points in my life. And one of the things that was helpful is old photographs. You know, when you look at an

old photograph, you're almost kind of transported back to the in time and you think, oh, yeah, I remember that. And my hair was like that and all those goofy glasses that we wore then. And oh, you look how, you know, look at that. Look at how short the skirts were that the girls were wearing in 1973, you know, and all, you know, you were kind of transported back there and you kind of feel that. So, so photographs was one thing that helped me kind of get back and remember, how was I feeling, you know, like how did I think when I was 18 years old and when I was 25 years old and what was going through my head and what were my motivations and things like that? And one of the things that was important to me during the 1980s, when my family was young, was my own

spiritual growth at that time and kind of my own growth and understanding. So to try to get back and sort of into that mentality, that headspace, I started reading some of the spiritual books that I was reading at that time. Which would be what? Well, the key one, and for this story, is a Catholic priest by the name of Father Gobi. Now, Father Gobie received messages from the Virgin Mary, and these were in the form of what's called interior locutions. So he would kind of hear this silently in his head, and then he wrote these down. And, of course, there's always controversy about, well, it's just you writing this, right? It's not really, you're not really channeling the Virgin Mary, you're channeling you, you know, whatever.

So there's always that thing. But nonetheless, I was reading that at that time as he was receiving these and from time to time, you know, publishing his recent messages that he'd received. So I went back and I got his updated and I started going back. And one of the things that Mary was saying through him at that time was that communism is the red. what is it from from revelation that slips in my mind anyway but she was she was saying that these symbols in revelation refer to communism and i thought ah i've forgotten that and as i was watching what was going on in 2020 with covid then it started to click in my mind and thought hold it red dragon the red dragon yeah said the red dragon is communism and that they even have red as

their color, right? It's the symbol of the color of communism. And I thought, what we're seeing is communism. And I hadn't made that connection before. So it was that that prompted me to make that connection. Sometimes I say that my book, what the hell's going on, is like a connect the dots picture. Because gradually, as I researched what was going on, I was able to make connections between things that didn't seem to be connected. Because this connection to communism or in a more general sense to totalitarianism, most people are not making this connection, right? If you say that to people, oh, this is communism, they just brush you.

Oh, you're whatever, you're an idiot. You don't know what you're talking about. It's not communism. We still have freedom. We still have private property. It's not, you know what I mean? Well, this is, but this is why I come back to Susanna, because she talks about enjoying it for, I don't know.

I can sit and say, you know, like over the last years since Ottawa, has life been, and I'm going to put it in quotes, Donald, pretty good, sure. It's been pretty good, right? It's been pretty good. But one of the things Soljinnitsyn taught me, because I remember saying this aloud before I read it is there's no way somebody's, you know, moving the dial over the course of decades, lifetimes even. And what's the first thing, you know, in the first 50 pages of, of, uh, in this and Guleg Arropelago, he talks about the big game of solitaire. And it's just kind of like, you know, you read a book and it really gives you a gut punch, you know, where you're just like, I got to stop thinking that way. Here is a guy who's lived through, you know, I don't think anybody wants to go through the gulags through that, you know, system. I mean, it's been the big boogeyman story for so many people, you know, Hollywood included. Yeah, and he's coming back.

And here he says, you know, it's a big game of solitaire. Some moves take days, some other's months, some years, and you go, oh, I mean, what else can you say? Here's a guy that if you respect what he's done, which a lot of us do, and if you know the story, you really do. And he's saying, plain and simple. It's a big game of solitaire. Some moves take time. And they look at it. Progressive side of the world looks at it, we've got all the time in the world.

We're just going to slowly, you know, death by a thousand cuts or whatever you want to call it. And that's, that's, and that's, sorry, and my thought on it would be, and that's why it's so hard for a population to see it. Because they're not rolling the tanks in the street. They're only tanks in the street tomorrow. Everybody wakes up and everybody goes to war for Canada, let's just say, or Alberta or whatever. But it isn't that way. Yeah. It's this long drawn out, like the municipal bylaws.

There's nothing in there. It's, it's, it's, what are you guys talking about? It's, yeah, there's surveillance, but we have surveillance. It's all these things that don't seem. like a whole lot, but you have to take a step back. And at times it's a difficult thing to wrap your head around, except you know, but the last three years have happened. And, you know, like we just lived it, how quickly we forget. Yep. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, Yuri Besmanov makes this point very, very plainly. And the first two stages of

communist subversion happens slowly, incrementally. said it's like the hour hand on your clock you know it moves but you can't see it moving yeah and it's the same with our society we can't the changes are so imperceptible right that most of us go on with our lives don't even notice that things have changed until we get impacted by something like COVID and and he says that's exactly the point and an important quote that I repeat several points in the book to make sure that the readers are understanding this in all, in the context of all the frauds. He said, the purpose of communist subversion is to change your perception of reality to such an extent that despite ample evidence of the ideological subversion going on around you,

you don't see it. And even if you do, you don't realize it's planned subversion. Thus, you're unable to come to sensible conclusions in your own interests and in the interest of your nation. And that's exactly the point I make throughout the book. We are, we're not perceiving what's really going on. And in order to perceive, in order to understand what's really going on, we must be willing to perceive differently. And the two gentlemen that you were interviewing at the event last night, you know, and I, And I should clarify for, I, normally I, normally I release things so, so fast, right? Interview, sit down, so at the next day.

But right now with the podcast, because of the Alberta election, it's kind of spaced out. So the event you keep referring to was for the kids' sake when we had John O'Brien and Tanner Nadegh on stage. So anyways, just for time frame and normally I'm not too worried about it, but the event you keep referencing is one we had here in Lloyd. So just to clarify for anyone listening. Yeah, that's right. So by the time people listen to this interview, it won't be last night anymore. That's right. Yeah.

And the reason that is, is because of the Alberta election, I was saying to Donald, when you came in this morning, normally the way I love to run the podcast is record and within like a day or two release. That way it's really fresh. But with the Alberta election, I've really got a bunch of things that are focused on the election that I want to make sure to get out. because obviously of the timing and everything else. Anyways, carry on with your point. And that's great because what we're talking about is we'll be still timely. Two weeks from now, two months from now, even two years from now. Depending on how the election goes, it might be the perfect timing, you know?

Sometimes, you say you make a plan and, you know, what was the quote you said about God? If you want to make God laugh, make plans. Right. And one of the things I like is, you know, it's like, for whatever reason it had to happen today, even though I know it's going to get pushed out. And I just trust that, you know, it's going to come out the right time. And, you know, every time I try and control something, it gets blown up. Anyways, I find that quote very timely.

That's, that, you know, what you just expressed is one of the great spiritual lessons of life that, that I've learned very slowly and painfully over the course of many decades. Because I've always been a planner. like I've made plans and set goals and all kinds of needs, my whole life since I was a teenager. And, you know, I don't do that much anymore because I've always found, yeah, I make all these plans and God somehow or life, whatever you want to call it, slaps me upside the head and all my plans and goals come to nothing. And then I need to start.

We'll just take a little sidestep here. Sure. You know, when our youngest graduated from high school in 2005, you know, my wife and I went overseas and I taught overseas for several years and I had a little adventure. You know, we told our kids, hey. Where boats overseas did you? We were two years in Kuwait and two years in Pakistan. Oh, wow.

Yeah, so in two, you know, strongly Muslim countries. You know, it's one of the things I love about doing this is the people you get to interact with. Yeah. And, you know, the longer you talk, Donald, you've seen parts of the world that very few of us have ever seen. I mean, two years in Pakistan. Interesting. Anyways, carry on with your short story. Yeah, yeah.

And I even had a chance to go up into the mountains of northern Pakistan, do some hiking up in the Karakra Mountains and the very edge of the Himalaya range. And anyway, so that was kind of neat. Where was it going? Oh, yeah, so we went overseas. I wasn't planning to come back to Canada anytime soon. But after Pakistan turned out to be a poor choice, you know, it's funny. You know, do you remember that Indiana Jones film, the Last Crusade? Oh, yeah.

And there's that great special effects scene where they're in the cave there, right? And the front, of course, was filmed at Petra, right? And we had a chance to go to Petra, too, and see that. It's called the Hall of the Records, is what they call it. But you go inside, all of these things at Petra, they're just facades. You go in and there's just like a little room. There's nothing much there. So all of the inside was, you know, movie sets.

But the outside was a film that Petra in Jordan. So, yeah, they're in there and there's the cop, right? There's all of these cops. They're trying to find the cup that Jesus drank out of at the Last Supper. that we it has been called the the holy grail right and so the story here is that if you drink from the holy grail you'll have eternal life and of course it's true in the spiritual sense but not in the physical but so but it makes a good story so donovan breaks in right donovan's the bad guy incidentally and i quote this line it's donovan that says to indiana jones trust no one

And then later, right, when Indiana Jones is captured, you know, Donovan says to him, I told you to trust no one. And Donovan turns out to be the evil master. Anyway, so Donovan's in there and he looks over all these, and it's, oh, one jewel-encrusted cup. Oh, that's got to be the cup of the Christ. You know, and he drinks out of it. And then everything looks fine for a few seconds. And then, you know, he starts to feel a little bit funny and his face starts going weird.

and his hair all starts growing rapidly, all comes out white, and his whole body gets contorted, and they have these special effects. It all blows up and kabum all over the place. And the old knight who's guarding it all, he's just leaning on his giant medieval sword, and he says very droly, he chose poorly. And so when I chose Pakistan, I chose poorly. It was a bad choice.

I almost quit. I almost didn't stay out my two-year contract. And why is that? It turned out to be. Well, first of all, they said, you know, oh, things are getting better in Pakistan, you know. Because this was now, like after 9-11 and this whole, you know, you could call it a new crusade, right? All this crusade against the Islamic world. And most of the foreigners left Pakistan. and things got quite dark there for a while.

And but, you know, so when I interviewed for this job and the superintendent of the school said, oh, yeah, things are getting better and it's good now. And, you know, foreigners are coming back and all this kind of stuff. And so we went back there turned out things were not really getting better. And they've continued to go downhill since we left there in 2009. So walk me to, sorry, you and your wife go there? Yep. So.

Yeah, our kids are, we kind of cut them all loose. and said, hey, go get a life. I mean, you told Mom and Dad to get a life, man. And so, well, yeah, now we're going to get a life, you get a life too. So we're renting out the house. Good luck. We taught you to be independent. Now go be independent.

We're leaving the country. So you went to Pakistan. Walk me, like, just paint me a little bit of a picture of, like, living there for two years. What were some of the things that you're like, and this was a poor choice? Well, one of the things was that, like, there was still a terrorist activity, even in Lahore. And they said this was. Lahore Pakistan. Lahore is the third largest city in Pakistan.

And it's right close to the border with India. Okay. So there were, for example, there was a big explosion at the Naval Military Academy, which was, I don't know, maybe a half a dozen, ten blocks from our school. And, you know, so we heard the big boom and black smoke rising up and the school went into lockdown and all this kind of, like we had the, you know, the windows of the school. rattle from the explosion down the street. And, yeah, we'd have terrorist incidents like that.

And then there was a terrorist incident in India, in Mumbai, I think it was. And then India blamed Pakistan, oh, it's Pakistani terrorists. And then there were saber rattling, and we had jets flying. Because we were, you know, we were right close to the border. We had these, you know, military jets flying back and forth several times overhead. You know, you have that. out, it makes everybody nervous. And my wife said to me, oh, like, what, you know, if, if things get bad here, are we going

to escape across the border to India? And I said, not likely. We're within artillery range of the Indian border. They'll be shelling us. We'll go the other way, you know. So Donald, why stay then? Because I had a contract for two years. I said I'd teach there for two years.

Right? I mean, it's, I said I would do it. right and so you know do i tough it out and and live up to my commitment or do i say i'm done with this i'm not you know so yeah it was it was quite a um you know you know you could call it a bit of a moral dilemma for me i mean that in the well in the well i won't go into too many more details because it's not really what our listeners want to hear but yeah there was i don't know i'm sitting here i'm sitting here enthralled so i i i go don't worry about what you think they want to hear.

Okay. You know, like you're talking about... So yeah, we had terrorist incidents. There was, for example, a little group, kind of a little club sort of thing, social club that we're a part of that went out and Schenny did artistic things, went to museums and traveled,

and then we'd go out to, you know, have a meal together and things like that. And they arranged a tour of the governor's mansion. So Pakistan is divided into five, I think they're called provinces, we have in Canada. And each one has a governor. Like here we have a premier and the lieutenant general and stuff like that. But in the United States, right, each state has what they call a governor. So in Pakistan,

each province has a governor. And so we arranged, we're able to arrange for us a tour of the governor's mansion. So, because these are all old British Empire era mansions that are now used by the Pakistani any government for, you know, usually some kind of government. Dipliment or whatever. Yeah. Government offices or residences like this one was for important government officials, things like that. So it was a really nice mansion.

And we got a tour of that. And we got to meet the governor and chat with him. Nice guy. Well, a month later, he was shot down by one of his own security guards, one of his own bodyguards, who'd been infiltrated and subverted and convinced to murder his own boss. it was probably like a friend. And so this is, oh, you know, the guy we met last month, he was just murdered today.

So there were these terrorist incidents in the second year, then the war started, which really was a war. It was a full-scale war in the Swat Valley. And people there said, oh, the Swat Valley is the most beautiful of all the valleys in Pakistan. And the Pakistani Taliban essentially took over the Swat Valley. People might know, what's her name, Malala, this girl. She comes from the Swat Valley, and she spoke up against the Taliban and what they were doing there, and they threatened to kill her and all this kind of stuff.

And she became recognized internationally for speaking out for women's rights and girls' rights. I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah, she comes from the Swat Valley. It was right at that time that she, You know, she started to become well-known because this was going on. So the whole Pakistani army had to basically invade the Swat Valley, and there was a shooting war. I mean, I talked to people who said, yeah, my nephew was just killed, you know,

in the fighting in the Swat Valley. And, yeah, people were getting killed, and civilians were getting killed. And it was a full-scale war. And that started during our second year there. In fact, at the end of my second year, went to two of my sort of nephews-in-law were, you know, young guys at this time, 20-ish. They were backpacking around Asia. So I said, well, come to Pakistan.

We'll go up north together and we'll do some hiking in the Krakra Mountains of northern Pakistan. So they came and the three of us went up, did some hiking up. And we went, as the bus went up, the Indus Valley, right? there was a there was we could have got off where the swat valley um feeds into the indus so it's a you know valleys are named for the rivers right it was the swat river flowing into the indus river you know we could have got on another bus and gone off the swat valley who didn't really want to do that and it's funny because i'd started growing my beard because this in islam you know you meant have beards had one of my grade 12 students said oh mr lee it's really good that you're you're growing a beard you know

people will treat you with a lot more respect now. Really, that's interesting. So I had started growing my beard out, and I had some Pakistani clothes, and I had a little, they call it a Taliban hat. It's not specifically Taliban, but it's the type of hat that men in Afghanistan wear. So I'd pick this up at one of the little, you know, outdoor markets and stuff. So in the Pakistani clothes are so much cooler in the summer, and this was June, right? So in June, before the monsoon starts, It's really hot. In fact, when I came back after this trip, it was just at the beginning of July.

And it was 50 degrees in Lahore when I arrived back. It was so blasted hot. It was unbearable. So it was hot. So if you wear these light cotton clothes that they wear, it's much cooler than our western clothes. It's so much more practical for that in that climate. So I was wearing my Pakistani clothes and my Taliban hat.

And people, you know, local people would tell them, those who could speak English would say, oh, you know, you could pass for an Afghani. Because the Afghans are not dark skin like the Indians. They're much lighter skin. And with a little bit of a tan and with my, they said, oh, yeah, you could pass for an Afghani. You look just like an Afghani. So, anyway, how do we get off on that? I don't know. You got talking about just going.

Anyway, so the terror. The terrorism, the essentially a civil war going on in the country. Well, I just think, you know, the reason I'm, you know, you go, nobody wants to hear this. I'm sitting here and I go, you've seen something that, you know, I don't know, I'm 500, well, I mean. The other side of the world. Yeah, and I'm 400 and some episodes in on the podcast, but if you add up everything, I'm 500 some guests in, you know, and you've lived somewhere that I just have no idea about. and you make reference to things that I'm just interested in, right? And so to me, you know, it's like, well, no, let's hear about it.

You know, like you think nobody's heard about communism infiltrating Canada. It's like, no, I mean, I think personally this may shock people what you're saying, or they may just be nodding their head along at this point in the podcast, because we've talked to enough people. So you bring up Pakistan, you bring up these different things, and I'm like, war is going on, and all of Pakistan isn't rallying around to ouststs. the Taliban or what have you. That's not what I'm hearing.

And so I said earlier in the conversation, you know, if the Chinese rolled the tanks and we'd all go to war, but probably not then. You know, like maybe, or maybe I'm wrong in that. It's just we have no clue in Canada, maybe in the Western countries, because all the wars are fought so far away from where we're at.

Yeah. But, you know, it was an important, I can tell lots of stories, of course. We, you know, develop stories as we travel around the world. But one of the things, I guess, that I experienced at that time in Pakistan particularly, that impacts what's going on right now, is the terrorism that was happening everywhere. Because this is how it's done. Like the Taliban infiltrated the whole country, right?

This is, you know, underground terror cells, et cetera. That's why we had bombings. Like they blew up the ISI building in Lahore. And it is kind of a block away from the cathedral in downtown Lahore. And I had actually, they had asked me to, because I'm a band director, choir director, you know, I've done all these things. So I actually started a choir, an English choir, at the cathedral. And attached or associated with the cathedral was also a seminary for young men,

studying to the priesthood. And, excuse me, there was a convent with a whole bunch of novicious, right, young women training to be nuns. And so it was kind of neat because I had a ready-made choir because they said, oh, okay, well, we'll just bring these guys over because, okay, you're going to go to choir now. So I had, you know, four-part harmony in the choir because we had these a whole bunch young men and a whole bunch of young women and we had this English choir. So it was neat. So there was damage to the cathedral from, you know, rocks, sorry, I hit the microphone, rocks, rock so much, but bricks, because almost everything is built a brick there. You know, bricks flying

around. There was one person, I think he was a gardener or something like that that worked at the cathedral that actually was hitting the head with a piece of flying brick and was killed from this explosion. And so the ISI is the intelligence agency. It's like the CIA in the United States. And so the terrorists had blew up that building too. So these instances of terrorism, for example, another one was they're trying to terrorize women into all wearing the hijab and keeping their faces covered and all this kind of stuff. So one of the things that we heard various stories of is that somebody would come along, they used sulfuric acid.

And when they saw a woman not wearing, especially a young woman, right, pretty young woman who's trying to find a pretty young, handsome young man, and they would throw sulfuric acid in her face to disfigure her face so she would be ugly and unmanned. Marriable, right? And so these sorts of things happen. So what this does is that you create fear. This is the whole purpose of terrorism, is to create fear in thousands of other people so they willingly go along with what you want them to do, right? It's a way of forcing other people to do what you want them to do. And so thousands of other women, oh, I don't want so. I don't want

So I don't want severe gas in the face. So, yeah, so I'll cover my face when I go out in public. It's not because they want to cover their face. It's not because, you know, it's because they're because of fear. The key point about terrorism is that it uses fear to control people. And so what have we seen in the last few years? Oh, the amount of fear put on a population has been immense. Yeah.

I call it social terrorism. And this is part of step two. of the communist subversion plan that is that where you you quietly take control of all of the structures in society. For example, what they have done with doctors, right, any doctor who speaks up and says, well, you know, don't get the shot or if you write exemptions for people not to get this, it's a biological weapon. It's not a vaccine. This is very clear. This was clear right from the start. All of the problems we're seeing right now were known right at the very beginning. I had finished the first draft of the book by the end of May 2021. The shots were just being rolled

out in the first part of 2021. And yet everything that we're experiencing now was known before they rolled out the shots. None of this is a surprise. None of this is unexpected. It was all available. And I'm not a medical professional. I'm a bad. director. If I can find out this information, everybody can find it out. It's not secret. But, of course, our mainstream media are telling us a completely different story. Don't you know not to do your own research, Donald? I'm not supposed to look in anything. Don't do any research now. So what they've done to doctors, for example, it's just one example of many, many, many, many, is that they've terrorized doctors. If you don't do exactly, if you don't follow exactly what the college says,

your medical license is gone. You medical license is gone. And in the media, if you don't tow the line of what we're going to talk about, you're out of a job, right? Like you've only got to look at Kig Carson out of Vancouver is one that's been on the show to hear his story. But there's multiple like that. Yep, exactly.

If you're not going to go with the show, you won't be a part of the show. Yep. Yeah, I mentioned a few in the chapter of the book that deals with the control of the media, I mentioned a few. I've had to take some, I had to cut the book down because it was much, much longer than it, this. And so I've tried to cut it down to the bare minimum necessary that I think to provide enough evidence to, you know, demonstrate to anyone with an open mind that these are actually frauds in each case. We've brought up your book several times and I'll give you an opportunity at the end, but where can people get it from? Online. Unfortunately, it's not the kind of

book that stores are going to carry because it's, it's, uh, where, yeah, well, I mean, once, once upon a time, Jordan Peterson's first book, you couldn't find anywhere either. It was an Amazon number one bestseller for, I forget, how many ridiculous amounts of the weeks. And, uh, it wasn't in stores. It wasn't in stores. Nobody, nobody, so I mean, like this is, once again, this is nothing new. Yeah. So where, where can they grab it online? Or yet, certainly at Amazon. If you look for what the hell is going on, either, finally the Canadian price is recently. Finally, the Canadian price is now it's $29 and something on Amazon it's quite it's quite a hefty book so the more pages the higher the price goes up on on Amazon and then basically Amazon tells you what the price is going to be

and that's yeah yeah I can I can certainly post a link in the show notes that way if people want a nice and easy to just scroll through their find and click on it way they go yeah or or people can go I mean certainly I've had people say I'm trying to avoid Amazon and that's great I mean on my website is say if you must you can get a here at Amazon, but people can go to my website, which is www. dot, of course, cominghome spirit.com. And there's direct links there to my publisher, to Barnes & Noble. Once again, for the listener, so they're not trying, you know, if they're driving,

you know, so many people listen while they're driving, work, and blah, blah, blah. I'll just, once again, I'll just get it in the show notes. That way, the websites are. If you're so inclined and you want, you just go in the show notes, click on it, and you know, take you right where you need to go and make it nice. easy on them. Sorry, I just, I just, you know, we've, we've talked about it multiple, multiple times, and I'll remind at the end as well, but regardless, now they, they can just go in the show notes and look and, and find you. Yeah. And so you mentioned Jordan Peterson. This is exactly what is being done

to Jordan Peterson, right? The same thing. His own, like Jordan Peterson has done nothing illegal, nothing immoral, nothing unprofessional. And yet his own professional association is trying to boot him. Well, trying to retrain him. No, they're trying to destroy him. They want to take away his license to practice psychology and essentially destroy his income, destroy his reputation, destroy his career.

This is social terrorism. Because you destroy Jordan Peterson. I don't think they can. Like, this was an interesting decision. Like, this is not random, right? Somebody decided, yeah, we're going to try to take down Jordan Peterson. And in any attack, or think of it in military terms, right, if you're going to attack an enemy, you've got to consider, you might lose.

Yeah. What you risk something. And they're risking something in attacking somebody as. Well, I would say another one would have been Joe Rogan then at one point where they tried attacking Joe. Yeah. I think we can all remember the Sanjay Gupta interviewer, one of the guys from CNN went on there.

And I remember thinking like, did they not listen to Rogan? Did they not understand how talented he is? And they walked in, and it felt like to me, if I rewind the clock to that, and certainly Kathy Newman's interview of Jordan Peterson was another, you know, like just piece of art in a sense, where they walk in and they think they're, you know, Mike Tyson. But actually they're the guy that's about to box Mike Tyson, and they haven't done their homework. Because Sanjay Gupta walks on thinking he knows everything. And Rogan just keeps putting them on the ropes and beating the living crap out of him.

And Jordan Peterson, if you've watched the Kathy Newman interview, and I got to remember what, was that 2017 maybe? If you watch that, she tries cornering him like 18 times. And after 25 minutes, she's finally, like, speechless. And that's his big famous, well, I got you, right? And the got you moment. And it's like, did she not, like, how much research did she do on him before she brought him on and thought she was gonna just like hammer them and this is gonna be a great moment in television history instead like you say it had the reverse effect what happened was that video has been shared millions of times it's it's made

you know lots of things made jordan peterson for sure but that's like his calling card for the first whatever amount of years it from when it came out and it's had the opposite effect so when you talk about somebody took on like we're gonna attack jordan peterson i get exactly what you mean yeah well it it's a little bit like we say in show business, all publicity is good publicity. Right. Anyway, so yeah, with Jordan Peterson, with what they've done to doctors, I mean, you take away the license of a couple of doctors, right? You hold them up and destroy them, destroy their career, their income, which in some cases destroys their family too. I mean, this is, this is to destroy people. Let's be clear about that. And there are thousands of other people who see that,

think, oh man, I don't want that to happen to me. So they go along. It's just like throwing sulfuric acid in the face of a young woman. It's terrorism. And that's exactly what's going on in our society. And, you know, I make the point very clearly, both in my presentations and in my book, this is the opposite of spiritual development. If we are to take a spiritual approach to life, growing spiritually is all about self-control, not control of others. And the spiritual war is a battle that is fought within. Even religious and spiritual people often don't understand this. It's not a fight against anything outside ourselves, as Solzhenitsyn says, the line, he said,

I've found the line that divides good from evil runs through every human heart. And so it is. Good and evil are within every single one of us. We are never battling some evil outside of us. It is only within us. And we have within us all we need because the spirit of God is within us. And so the spiritual struggle we face is each one of us to choose. love instead of fear because love and fear are the two great spiritual opposites and

only love overcomes fear as we read in the Gospel of John perfect love casts out all fear so instead of responding with fear to these events we need to respond with love and to act fearlessly this is our spiritual battle and I'm convinced that because we were being attacked on all levels of our being in terms of the physical war in the physical realm. It's fifth generation war. Talk about that in the book. It's on the level of our mind. It's mind war. This is beyond simply psychological warfare. It is mind war. And this is a 40-year-old term that comes out from a paper that I cite in the book by two U.S. Army psychological warfare officers, and one of whom is a well-known Satanist, not coincidentally,

actually. And I referenced that in the book as well. This is mind war. So we have a spiritual war, we have a mind war, and we have a physical war that's fifth generation warfare. And we're being attacked on all these three levels. And we need to respond on all levels. We need to understand the nature of the attacks against us, and we need to understand how best to defend ourselves and respond to those attacks. But I'm convinced that even if we just won on the spiritual level, we would win. And the spiritual level, like you say, is the struggle of fear versus love within ourselves. If we can get enough people to maintain the consciousness of love, the frequency of love, we will change the whole.

world. And this is our challenge. So when you when you talk about love versus fear spiritual, my mind goes to you probably have to get people to acknowledge there's a spiritual realm to begin with. And maybe I'm because I don't know, I've talked about this is lots of different people. But in the world of the West, we're so busy, nobody thinks it even, not that nobody thinks it exists anymore, but it's certainly not talked about at all or very little. Yeah, and this is also, I think, by intention. Oh, guaranteed, guaranteed. But like the very, the first chapter of the book and the last chapter of the book

focused primarily on the spiritual aspect of what's going on. So when you talk about the spiritual, I'm curious. Are you a God-fearing man? And if, yes, no, I guess. and I guess, I don't know, I guess I'm just trying to, you know, I've been, I've had a lot of different people over the, you know, you got to listen to Tanner last night. Oh, and I've heard him, I've heard him many times before. Right, Devout Christian. I just had on Joshua Allen talking a lot about how Jesus has played a role in his life and changing things and different things like that.

You're a guy who just quoted the Bible, but has been over and seen the other side of the world uses God, but I don't, I don't, I don't, don't hear Jesus and I don't mean to put anything into your mouth. I'm curious what you, what you think about the spiritual war and what that means to you, fear, love, everything in there. Sure. Well, you've touched on so many things there. Let me try to address some of them, at least on. We say a God-fearing man. Well, see, this term is used many times in the Bible. And I don't know exactly, but I think it's a poor translation because, you know, for example, think even in proverb that says that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. But it's not fear. And Jesus made this very clear. He said, no, but our relationship with God, he called God Abba,

which in Aramaic, which was the language of the time and place, right? In Aramaic, Abba is the word that a small child would use. We would translate that most accurately as daddy. right this is the the word a small child would use daddy daddy abba abba right this is what our relationship would be should be with our father this is a loving relationship not a relationship of fear and so i think a better translation of this fear of the lord is respect respect for the lord so no i don't fear god I respect God. And I know that God loves me and I love God. God is love. St. John tells us, it very clearly in the Gospel of John. God is love. And we've always understood that to be a metaphor. And of course, it is a metaphor also, but what if he means it literally, almost in a mathematical sense?

God equals love, love equals God. The closest we can come as humans to expressing God-like qualities is to be love, to express love in the world. As I say, our challenge is to become portals through which the light of love and truth can shine into the world. Because they're connected. St. John also says God is truth. And Jesus says, know the truth. and the truth will set you free. And there's a great connection between truth and democracy and lies and totalitarianism. So Alexander Solzhenitsyn says that communism is a system of lies.

He says this in his famous essay, Live Not by Lies, which was an essay he wrote just as he was being booted out of the Soviet Union, and I think it was about 73 or 74, something like that. Live not by lies. And he says that communism is a system. of lies. It's all lies everywhere. And if you simply stop going along with the lies, the whole system will collapse. And so it is with us. All of us have been going along with lies in so many areas of of our life. We're going along with the lies about the climate. These are lies. Stop going, none of this stuff is going to change the climate. Driving an electric car is not going to change the climate. Living in 15-minute prisons is not going to change the climate. This has nothing to do

with the climate. It has nothing to do with the environment. It is entirely about control, and all of the lies of totalitarianism are all about control. Anyway, we got it off now. You asked me about spiritual things. So it's not fear of God. It's respect for God. And what was one of the other things you mentioned? Okay, so yeah, I'm a Christian, but I've also learned something of other major religions of the world. And it's interesting as an anecdote that when I was teaching in Muslim countries in Kuwait and in Pakistan, they didn't want me to talk about Jesus in class. But I could talk about God because all the three Western monotheistic religions, Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, we all share the Old Testament.

there are great commonalities in our understanding of God and whatnot. So I could talk about God. I could talk about the Old Testament. I could talk about the Ten Commandments, but they didn't want me to talk about Jesus. And you know what? I was more free to talk about God in religious things in Muslim countries than here.

Than I am in Alberta. Yeah, well, I tell you it's, you know, I keep saying this. Sean needs to stop apologizing for saying it, but, you know, if there was if there was something I never, ever thought I would talk about on the podcast, here, God would be it. And I might tack on Jesus would be number two or number one or both. It doesn't, you know, I think people get the point. Yeah.

And yet here we are, and that's more offensive at this point to some than what's gone on in the last like three, four years. and you're like, you're on, if you can't, well, anyways, I just, it's interesting to me, you know, and the more I talk about and start talking about with people, it's like we've forgotten so much. Or it's been structured that way, so we don't talk about it anymore, you know, and it's, it's interesting to watch and, you know, start to open up conversations around it, I guess, Donald is what I would say. Yeah, because that's part of, kind of, we're jumping around a bit, but that's, fine. It's mostly my fault that we're jumping around.

No, no, no. But this is part of step one of communist subversion, which is demoralization. And in this stage of demoralization, you want to, like, take people away from religion, take away their belief in God, take away their moral foundation, destroy the family. Destroy the family. And we see this and all this absolutely ridiculous stuff that's going on in sex. Now, I don't include sex in the book. In the first draft of the book, I had a chapter on sex, and I had a chapter on Satanism, because both of them play in with this giant frog and the subversion. This, I wrote, you mentioned a Satanist had written about psychological warfare back 40 years ago in the States, correct?

Yeah, 1980s, yeah. Colonel Aquino. What does Satanist mean? Like, when you say you had a chapter on it, to me, this is a very dark topic, obviously. Oh, it is. Oh, yeah. But I'm kind of like, well, what are we up against? It's kind of the reason I asked. Oh, okay.

So the essence of Satan, now whether you think of Satan as a real entity, many people do, or whether you think of Satan as a personification of evil. And many people see it that way, too. personally I'm not sure however you see it it's fine right but the essence of of Satan then the satanic principle is to invert everything that's sacred invert everything that that you know our religion whether whether your religion is Christianity or whatever denomination of Christianity or Judaism or you know so if you hold the family near and dear they look at the family and want to destroy we're going to destroy it right so everything

And you look at all the symbols. You look at the male and women, we want to destroy that so that there's no genders. Yep. Or there's 50 genders. Yeah, that also leads into transhumanism as well. We want to destroy our concept of what it is to be human and so that you can broaden this to include machines and all kinds of stuff and things that are part human and part human and part machine. Yeah, so it leads into transhumanism. too. But the satanic principle is to

invert everything and all of their symbols are inverted, right? They take the cross, turn it upside down. It's called the Picks. They take the pentagram with three points facing upwards and two facing downward and they invert that so it's upside down. All of the, you know, they have a black mass and they have all of this kind of stuff. It's all the symbols of Christianity turned upside down.

What the heck is so appealing to that to people? Power. Power. Power. And this is exactly, like, Satanism appeals, once again, it's an inversion of everything that we learn in our religions, whatever our religions are. Jesus said to turn away from the things of this world, right? I mean, all kinds of famous statements, right? If you, what does a profit of man if you gain the whole world and lose your own soul? You've lost everything. Your soul is what's important. The three great temptations of Christ are wealth, power, and the desires of the flesh, of the body, right? In that particular case, in the form of food, right? He's fasting. Oh, here, turn these stones into bread, you know, to satisfy the desires of your bodies.

But, I mean, we can see that as a specific case of all. the desires, sex, food, alcohol, you know, recreational drugs, all kinds of things. Whatever, you know, kind of gives you a physical experience, you know. So Satanism, and then in terms of, and power is an important one, right? These are all the lower aspects. And it's his, you know, in the story, right, during the 40-day fast that Jesus did before the beginning of, you know, of his public ministry, right? Satan takes him to the top of the temple and says, or no, he takes him up and shows him all the kingdoms of the world. Look, you can have power, you can have the power over all the whole world. I'll give you this if you simply worship me. This is the desire for power.

And this is what Satanism offers. Okay, wealth, power, and the desires of the flesh. And we see all these things. We see, you know, more and more is coming to light, right, about these high political figures and figures everywhere and how they're involved in child, you know, child pornography and pedophilia and they're tied in with all sorts of corruptions. I know most of the listeners won't, you know, don't research and don't listen to the things I listen to, but I just listen to a couple podcasts lately, podcast interviews where, you know, people are showing the corruption in the banks, the big banks in the United States. And how, like, they're all involved in my money laundering. And I kind of make that point in the book and how it's soluble. Anyway, drugs and money and sex

and power. And these are the things that Satan offers. Well, these are very appealing, right? And these are exactly the things that all religions teach us to turn away from. No, you, you, this is where self-control comes in. No, you need to be able to control your own bodily needs. yes, everybody needs to eat, but you don't need to be a glutton. And yeah, it's okay to have a beer once in a while, but you need to be in control of this, not the beer itself, right? The alcohol can't be in control of you. You need to be in control of the alcohol and your sexual desires.

Okay, if you are being controlled by your sexual desires, then you have given up your control and eventually you will be controlled by someone else through that weakness, right? you need to control your sexual desires. And this is what we have always tried to teach our children to control themselves, to discipline themselves. And this is why we go through, or part of why we go through these various exercises, like why fasting, for example, has been a part of all of the major religions. This is an exercise in controlling your own appetites. Yes, you need to eat, and you will eat, but you don't need to eat right this instant. And you know, I saw this absolute uncontrol in my last few years of teaching. Kids would come in, particularly in my class just before lunch and

just after lunch, and they'd bring their lunch in and eat in class. I said, no, we don't eat in. You know, this is time for study and for listings, it's not time for eating. You know, why didn't you eat at lunchtime? Oh, I was playing basketball at lunchtime. Okay, well, you made that choice, but that doesn't mean you can eat your lunch in class. We have a lunch break for you to eat your lunch. There's plenty of time for you to eat your lunch and play some basketball. So, and then they were just, oh, but I'm hungry now. So what?

You don't have to eat right now. You're 16 years old. You will last another hour or two, right? But that's another thing we've not forgotten, but everything's instantaneous in our world these days. I want it now. I want it now. Yeah. And when you cannot, we used to call this willpower. How often have you heard willpower lately? Well, nobody talks about it anymore. No, this is your, the exercise of your own power of your own will to control your physical appetites.

And yeah, as you're 16, 17 years old, sure you want sex with everything that moves. But no, you need to control this. There is a place for this famous quote, one of my famous historian is Will Durant. And one of the beautiful things, he's a beautiful writer too, one of the beautiful things he wrote is that I think I'll get it mostly accurate. Sex is a river of fire that must be banked by a thousand laws and conventions if it is not to consume both the individual and the society. And that's exactly what we see going on. Yes, we all have sexual needs. There is a place for that, a time for that, and we need to be in control of that,

not the testosterone in control of it. So we are seeing our society being consumed in sexual licentiousness. And now even the UN, I don't know how many people have heard this, but the UN recently has recently stated that every child needs to have a sexual partner. This is absurd. This is more than absurd. This is satanic. This is the sexual abuse of children. And this ties in with a whole bunch of other things because most of our listeners will be familiar, at least with the term of MK. Ultra. This is probably the most effective technique they found for mind control. It is by the intentional use of the sexual abuse, of the sexual abuse,

of young children to split their minds, split their personalities, and intentionally create what we used to call schizophrenia is now called dissociative identity disorder. And because when we experience trauma, especially when we experience severe trauma as young children, we don't understand what was going on, and we can't process it. And so we split our minds into various compartments.

These are called alternate person. personalities or alters. And through the MK Ultra program over the decade, which is still going on, even though they say, oh, that was stopped ages ago, no, no, no, no, still going on. And we have many people who have come out of that program, you know, even in recent years and told about their experiences. But most of them are programmed to commit suicide or to destroy themselves with drug addictions and stuff like that. So by the sexual abuse of young children, they essentially destroy them. They create them, they turn them into programmable people. And they completely, and all of these things are intended to completely dissociate the body from the soul. And if you want me to

maybe follow up on that just a little bit. So we look at all of these things. Now, we don't kind of learn this in Christianity because we don't talk about these things, but our endocrine system and the principal glands of our endocrine system are the key points of contact between our soul and our bodies. And so so many of these things are endocrine disruptors. Our whole world is full of endocrine disruptors. We have, we have, these are chemicals that mimic hormones in our body and disrupt the hormone balance. The endocrine system is our system of hormones, right? Essentially, hormones are things that make stuff happen within our body, right? We've got human growth hormone that makes us grow, et cetera.

It's not the only thing, but it's one of them, right? That's one of the things that athletes sometimes it's against the rules, technically, but sometimes athletes do this, right? They inject themselves with extra human growth hormone to make themselves grow more, right? Or more testosterone, like women, like what's her name, Flojo, right? She was taking testosterone. She so disrupted her endocrine system that she was dead before she was 35 years old, right? The greatest female track athlete of all time.

And anyway, disrupted her endocrine system to such a degree that her body ceased to function in her 30s. So all of these things, and this is what these puberty blockers do, it totally disrupts your whole endocrine system. It's not just giving testosterone to a girl and giving. giving estrogen to a boy, right? There's a balance of hormones in our bodies, and you disrupt the whole balance, and you disconnect your soul from your body. Anyway, so yeah, there's some of the spiritual aspects and some of the aspects in which things that are going on are literally satanic because they are exactly the inversion or the opposition of everything that's spiritual and everything that our religions and our spiritual traditions have taught us.

I didn't know what to say at all that. Kind of stunned you there for it. It's not even said. It's just, I have, you know, when you go back to the UN and kids, children, how did you word it, need to have sexual partners? Children? Yeah, I think, I may have the wording slightly wrong, but I think they've said all children need to have sexual partners.

And this is in a recent UN document. I don't remember which one it is. It's garnered quite a lot of attention, particularly on the, well, the only way, the place you find truth is in the alternative media these days. But, yeah, this is such a bizarre statement. This should outrage every parent in the world. And it's funny. All I can find is it's a false post attributing quote on sexual partners to UN, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, this has been fact-checked, right?

That's right. Yeah. Well, they deny everything until it becomes an official policy. So this is off of AP news, which I don't know. What is it is a fact-checking on it? It said the claim that the United Nations says that children must have sexual partners. Its assessment says false. There's no evidence that organization has ever made that statement.

And a spokesman called the claim false, a website attributing the quote to the UN points to a document that does not include that statement. The fact, social media posts are sharing an image basically attributing the quote to the UN. Well, we'll have to look somewhere that's honest because AP is associated press. It's one of the main kind of, what's the right term for, kind of a news compiling service. Right. So it's like, no, absolutely, I'm not trying to, I mean, all you got to do is look to California and there's people pushing to normalize pedophilia

and like to make it, what is it, a minor attracted person, right? Like it isn't that I don't, that I was just looking to see if I could find the actual UN thing to post it up. Somebody will probably send it to me because, you know, that's what the audience does. It's for the point of our discussion,

when I hear that, I'm just like how, you know, even you come to the pedophilia thing and minor attracted person. It's just, I just, I just as a parent, I just have such a hard time understanding how anyone on the other side, whatever that is, could get to that point. Oh, I've seen it progress. I mean, we talked about this incremental change.

I mean, back in the 1990s, I was very much involved in the pro-life movement. I was on the board of Alberta pro-life for quite a few years. And I, like I saw this, going back to the 1970s, when all, when, this kind of really started to take a turn. Like I was in high school, I was part of our high school debating club. And like we would debate things like, you know, should abortion be legal? And, you know, like capital punishment. We debated all of the great issues of the day. We would have open debates on it. And you were assigned either the positive or the affirmative or the negative side. Like you, you know, you didn't even get to pick, oh, I think this, so I'm going to be on that side.

no, you were assigned what side of the argument, what side of the debate you had to take, and you had to find supporting evidence and tried to argue your side. That's what the debating club is all about. Nowadays, I don't even think you could have a debating club because you can't actually talk openly and honestly about any serious issue today. So I saw this happening then. They brought in abortion. Well, I mean, there's no, I mean, and all of the arguments on the side of abortion were based on lies. Oh, it's just, it's not, it's not a person. It's just a collection of cells. No, everyone, even little children understand that there is something fundamentally different between pairing your fingernails and ripping the child out of your own womb.

These are not equivalent things at all at all. Everyone, even little children knows it's a baby in there. Like, we know that with our animals, right? Your dog becomes pregnant or your cat or your cow or your sheep. We know, right? It's not a fish inside there, no. It's a calf and it'll be born in the spring. Like, you know, this is bizarre. So it was lies. And so we saw, okay, the normalization of homosexuality, the normalization of abortion. And then abortion was extended to, oh, now we've got to kill old people. We call it. at euthanasia. I touch on this in my book because this is all part of the culture of death. And now this medically assisted dying, it's not like you don't need any assistance in dying. Everybody's going to die and it's not medical assistance. When you look at the actual technique of

what's done, it's murder. It's not assisted suicide. It's murder. The doctor is killing you. You are not killing yourself. And it's now, I think, the sixth leading cause of death in Canada. Like, we have, like, over 10,000 people a year in Canada are killed by their doctors. And it's getting worse. Right now. Well, it only started in 2016. Yeah.

It's just getting going. And the 10,000, I believe, is 2021. We've talked a lot. You can't, it's funny. This is where Sean needs the Jamie, you know, Joe Rogan has. Jamie's just fact-checking. I'm trying to... It's probably... Don't worry. The exact numbers don't matter.

No, but it's probably one of the toughest things of the listener has to understand about what I always say I'm a one-man band. You'll get the kick out of this, right? You've seen the guy in the... I've seen the image. You know, he's got the, you know, the things on his feet, and he's got the harmonica and he's playing off a tune and whatever, and I'm like, well, just division that as a podcaster. I'm trying to run three different

things, and really listen to what you're saying while trying to find some things that just give a little bit understanding what you're talking about. You know, in 2021 it says this is made accounted for 3.3% of all deaths in Canada, up from 2.4. It doesn't give me the numbers right off the hop, but I can probably pull it up here awfully quick because I remember it being over 10,000 and in 2016 or 2015 it was zero, right? Like, I mean, that's how quickly the numbers have gone. And, you know, like we talk about lots.

they're trying to get mental illnesses in there. They're trying to get mature minors so that they can send to it. You know, if life, you know, you're just like, whew. And there is no definition of mature minor. This is not a legal term. There's no definition of it. Here's total made deaths in Canada, 2016 and 2021.

This is right off of the Canadian website, okay? In 2016, it was 1,000. Then 2800, 44, 56, 76. 10,000 in 2020. And so we don't have 2022. We certainly don't have 2023 and where we're going. So it'll be interesting to see that data continue to come out. Well, I mean, it ain't going down.

We can both agree that it isn't all of a sudden just dropping down and going obsolete. And, you know, one of the things sticking with made for a second that, you know, has become a realization, you know, from interviewing so many different people, is, you know, pick your cause. I had, I'm forgetting his name right now, which is terrible, but former president of the Greenpeace on talking about saving the whales in different things. And he said, you know, we accomplished our goal. But he said the problem is it became an organization.

And an organization has to prove itself. So they always look for new things and it just keeps going. And you look at Maid. Maid wasn't overnight that it came in. It was roughly 40 years they were pushing for Maid. And once the door was open, I mean, there's a million dollar organ. The floodgates are open.

Well, and there's a million dollar organization there that's advocating for it. Well, they have to advocate for something. They've won. They're not just going to close up the doors and walk away. And keep in mind, a million dollar organization gets most of its money from the government. All of these things. Last night, again, which won't be last night when people hear it, but you know, people are long about, well, follow the money. Where does the money come from?

This is how everything has become corrupt. has become corrupted with money, right? You are corrupted, not you personally, but because you don't wanna lose your job, right? So you'll go along with stuff. You'll go along with lies because you're getting paid, because you're getting money. And every profession does,

everybody who has a job and gets a paycheck does this, goes along with lies. And as we read my book, you know, understand more about some of the lies. going along with. And so we see this, we see these groups, these supposedly grassroots groups that aren't grassroots at all. They're all funded by government. So, well, I can say for kids' sake isn't funded by the government folks. So that's a grassroots group. There you go. There you go. Yeah, but you also don't have a massive political impact.

See, all the groups that have a big political impact, if you follow the money, you'll find out they're funded by governments or through governments. So you're saying, As your movement grows, there will be more incentive by governments to find ways to control that group. Absolutely. This is part of step two of communist subversion, is that you gradually take control of all of these structures, every structure. Professional organizations, unions, the government bureaucracy at all levels. So what is, I don't know if you have the answers. But what are, you know, like, I was saying this last night.

that, you know, I hate to just put so much, like, hopelessness into, you know. Yeah, we got solutions. Yeah, I was thinking we better get the solution pretty soon. Yeah, let's talk, you know, like all your research. What have you come to? Okay, so we're being attacked on all levels, on the spiritual level, on the mind level, and on the physical level. So, as I said, I'm convinced that if we win in the spiritual battle, which is the battle

within each person, you as a listener, you need to keep your soul. in the consciousness of love and not be drawn into the consciousness of fear, hatred, anger, violence. As I've been saying for years, in this war, whoever shoots first loses. We cannot allow ourselves to be dragged down to that level. Just a quick aside to what we were talking about in all of this death stuff, this culture of death, we must find solutions that do not involve killing people. And this is for all. of our problems, not killing our unborn children, not killing our old people. No, we must find solutions that do not involve killing people. And so we need to keep our own consciousness,

our own spiritual vibration in the level of love. And there are solutions and we need to look for them and we will find them. So on the level of the mind war that's going on, we must because it is a war for the control of our mind. And of course, you know, everybody will say, well, nobody's controlling my mind. Well, if you had, if you thought somebody was controlling your mind, you would take steps to stop it. The very first principle of mind war is that the subject cannot have the slightest inclination that anybody's trying to control their mind. Otherwise, it won't work. So we can control our minds, but we can control our minds, but we must first of all understand that there are other people and other forces that are actively

working to control our minds and to a very large extent they're successful and as I say information control is the simplest form of mind control if I control the information that goes into your mind I control your mind and that's exactly why all of our governments are desperately trying to control all information so First of all, you have to shut off your television. That's the main avenue of mind control today is through television. And Netflix is no better than the news. All of it is theater.

All of it is controlled. All of it is creating in your mind a perception of the world that they want you to have. So you have to shut off your television. You have to shut off the radio. Well, except for podcasts like Sean Newman podcast. Right? you have to intentionally seek out the information that you want, the podcast that you want to listen to, the music that you want to listen to you, that uplifts you and inspires you.

Today's music, for the most part, is absolute garbage, but it's worse than garbage. It is intentionally designed to draw you into a lower level of spiritual vibration, to draw you in. I mean, just look at the words, that disgusting words and thoughts that are presented in some of the rap and other stuff today. You know, you're, anyway, we won't go there.

Every of everybody has probably heard some of this disgusting stuff, which if you said them on television, you'd be banned, right? But we put a beat to it and a little bit of melody, and we call it art, and you can say and do whatever you want.

unless it's conservative, of course. So, yeah, you've got to seek out, as I say, you must be the watchful gatekeeper of your own consciousness. You must select what you want in your consciousness and not just accept everything that's pumped at you because most of it is designed to control your mind. So that's enough about the mind level. Now, on the physical level, we're being subjected to fifth generation warfare. And in a similar way, the first principle of fifth generation warfare is you don't want the target to have any idea that there's even a war going on. And so it is with us. We're in the midst of World War III, and most people don't even know there's a war going on. That's exactly the first principle of fifth generation warfare. So I explained that a little bit in the

book. So there's all kinds of things. We're being attacked on the, on the level of biology, right? These are biological weapons. These shots are biological weapons. They're not vaccines. And, you know, I think even the mainstream media has come out with the information now that, excuse me, oh yeah, they don't stop transmission and they don't stop infection. Well, that's basically not a vaccine. And it's not a treatment. And yet all other treatments that did work were denied and vilified and all the rest of it. These are the classic signs, classic characteristics of a fraud, of a web of lies. So another thing that I was thinking about last night, as we were talking about, well, the educational system that we have and how can we make

positive changes and, you know, get elected to your school board and all this kind of stuff. And I've come to the realization, and of course it could be wrong. Maybe I'm wrong about everything. No doubt I'm wrong about some things. But I think I have the general outlines correct. I've come to the realization that all of these structures in our society, all of them, are corrupt and cannot be changed. And so I recommend the ideas of the communist, or the sort of the dissident in communist Czechoslovakia known as Vaklav Havo. Excuse me. Now, Vaklav Havo came up with this approach to deal with the communist tyranny of his time that he called parallel structures. And most of us have now heard this term.

And he said that when faced with a totalitarian regime, that controls all of the structures in society, everything is controlled, that you must build completely new structures. existing ones cannot be reformed. They cannot be changed. And I think, unfortunately, we've come to that point in the whole world. We cannot change the educational structure. It's too powerfully entrenched, and it's all controlled from very high levels. Like all of this, you know, soji and sexual nonsense and stuff, this is being pushed from a very high level. It's not coming out of people on the ground. Oh, yeah, it's not people in Lloydminster and Cold Lake and, you know, that are pushing for it, that are pushing, you know, telling their school board members,

every child needs a sexual partner. No, this is not coming from people. This is being pushed from a very, very high level. And you can't push back against it. Nobody can't. Teachers can't, right? They're in the same position as everybody else that's getting a paycheck. You will teach what you're told to teach the way you're told to teach it or you'll be fired. And everybody is being subjected to this kind of tyranny.

in the workplace. And so the only way to do it is to just leave that, to move out of that, take your kids out of schools, teach them at home. And I know this is a challenge. This is very difficult, right, for many, many people. But people all over the place are coming up with novel solutions. They're doing this as a neighborhood, as a group. Get five families together and arrange for, you know, a different adult to get a different day of the week. as their day off, right? So that for five days, you know, they have a different teacher and do a group holding schooling, like set it up in somebody's basement or something.

Like there's all kinds of ways to do this and people are looking for and finding novel solutions. In this area, you've had people resurrect, if you would, the one-room schoolhouse idea from way, way back in a, well, not way, way back. And basically in one lifetime, you know, out on the prairies, the one-room school. house was, well, it was prevalent. Everybody, you know, all the generations before me, their group all talks about all have these wonderful stories of walking a mile to school, you know, and uphill, and it was uphill on the way back, you know, and you kind of chuckle, but I mean, a lot of truth

in what they talk about in the one-room school. Anyways, the reason to bring it up is I know of a couple here in the area that have been brought back to do exactly what you're kind of talking about with community. Yep. Yeah, and you can do this. And there's nothing. wrong with that education. In fact, there's a great, well, I'll come back to the idea of why we have teenage rebellion. Let's just remember to come back to that point. But yeah, so educational structures, it's not possible to reform this. We must create something new, a new structure of education. And we don't need exactly the same solution everywhere. You've come up with a solution that works for your family and for a couple families in your neighborhood or a couple families in your

church if you share, you know, a religious perspective and you want to teach your children, you know, your religious perspective. That's great. Similarly with our medical system has become corrupt. We see that, right? With, with maid, now doctors are murdering their patients. With COVID, doctors were murdering their patients. One of my friends was murdered in the hospital. He fell down the stairs, bumped his head, went into the hospital to see if he had a concussion. A month later, he was dead, allegedly from COVID. He never had COVID when he went into the hospital. I'm certain they killed him with remdesivir.

Now, I don't have his medical records, I can't prove it, but those of us in our little circle that knew him. I had one other guy said, a nephew said, you know, they killed him. the hospital. I said, yeah, I know. And I've heard this story over and over and over, and all of us have, right? So I say about doctors, look, you can either be physicians or murderers, but you cannot be both. As a profession, you have chosen, and people like me have just left. I hope I never have to visit a physician again in my life. Now, I can't guarantee that. I don't know what's going to happen in the future, but I'm not going to those places. I never want to step foot in a hospital again.

I don't even want to step foot in a medical clinic again. So people are already setting up medical professionals, doctors and nurses, who have been pushed out of their careers and their work because of their honesty and integrity. Those are the kind of people I want to deal with. We already have various people setting up independent clinics and stuff outside the medical system. In fact, there's one that I just got an email message that it's now live.

I think it's called the Wellness Center. I'm not sure I have that completely correct. But yeah, we're getting alternative medical clinics and things set up. We need to look there. And the same with all of our communities. We need to set up new communities, new professional associations. And we have the nucleus in these freedom groups all over the world. It's not just Canada.

everywhere in the world these groups are springing up because people are realizing that hold it everywhere we turn there's corruption there's control there's manipulation it's this fraud everywhere we look we need to create new structures and as things get worse in the main the rest of the world right people more and more people will be turning to look for alternatives and we need to be building these alternative structures now before the next crisis really hits us because there will be another crisis. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, there's no doubt, whatever form or shape that takes on.

It's, you know, that doesn't have to be this giant conspiracy when you just look at the history of the world and realize the next crisis will present itself. And, you know, you can either walk into that blindly going, it'll never happen, or you can, you know, I remember a local farmer once telling me in an interview, you know, in the good years you prepare for the bad. And to me, that can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people. For him, it was, you know, it was talking about cattle. And you knew drought was coming at some point.

So in the wet years or, you know, when you had time, you built dugouts and you prepared for that. You found ways so that when it got bad, it wasn't as bad as it could have been, I guess, is what I'm trying to get at. So it's like insurance. It's like you, you create your disaster insurance fund. in the good years before the disasters come. Yeah.

You know, we've been rolling along here and we're a little over two hours now. I'm curious, Donald, is there anything, you know, that we haven't talked about, that you want to make sure what you talk about before I let you out of the studio and on your way, you know, it's, I said last night, once again, we're talking a lot about last night,

but one of the things I wanted to be, you know, in the right mind, I guess, you know, sitting after an event, as people are starting to understand with me, I'm tired and my brain hurts and I want to be sitting down and have the right mind frame to sit and have a chat. Now, as we roll along, is there anything that we've skimmed over or skipped past that you haven't got on that you'd certainly like to talk about before I let you on your way and your travels and everything else? Well, thanks for thinking about that, Sean.

Certainly, we've touched on some things. And, you know, in one interview, we can only scratch the surface of all the things that that I cover in the book. And I say, I've tried to make the book concise, and I call it information dense. And many of my readers have said that. I'm, oh, man, you know, I'm only in 60 pages, but I keep having to go back and read. There's so much in there. Yeah, there is. But, you know, I tried to make each chapter of the book cover a different fraud. So the book looks at about a dozen and different frauds. And some of the frauds were so big I had to split them into two. The COVID fraud is in three chapters. The terrorism fraud is in two chapters. But for the most part, there's one chapter

on each fraud. So the financial currency fraud is in one chapter, et cetera, et cetera. So the whole point is that all of these frauds work together. And all of them are frauds. We can tell by looking at the pattern. Okay, this is not the pattern of mistakes at all. It's. It's the pattern of lies that have been all created ahead of time and launched essentially when a whole web of lies appears suddenly and instantaneously, it had to be planned. This is the pattern. And so, you know, so I look at the spiritual aspect of the war that we're in. I look at the mental and psychological aspect of the word that we're in and I look at the physical

aspect of all the different frauds. and I present evidence, most of the book is about evidence, physical evidence, that these narratives or stories that we've been sold are all lies. It's all a web of lies. And they're all working to collect control and power into a very tiny number of hands. And so we are on the, whether we, accident design. Somebody said, oh, this couldn't all be planned. Well, you know what? It's like pregnancy. Whether planned or unplanned, the result is the same. And whether this was planned or unplanned, we're on a road that leads to totalitarian slavery. And we have a choice. If we do nothing and stay on the same road, that's where we're going to end up. Right? If you're on a road that leads to Ebbenton,

well, you're going to end up in Edmonton. If you don't, if you want to go to Calgary, you need to get on a different road. So we. And maybe a better, better example wouldn't be Calgary because someone's going to say, well,

you've got to go through Edmonton to get to Calgary. Well, not exactly from here, but whatever. Depends where you're coming from. You might, you might go Saskatoon because, yeah,

I mean, it's in the complete opposite direction, you know, and it's, to me, I guess when I visualize it, If you're sitting in the United States or something lessness, you're kind of like, I don't know what he's talking about.

Where are these places? They're all up by the North Pole. That's right. But, I mean, when you're sitting here, you go, you know, I drive through Cairg or Eminton to get to Calgary. And, you know, there's probably a metaphor in that as well. But, you know, it's interesting to me that you put it that way. Sorry.

Yeah, so we can change, but the hour is late. right we've we've been asleep we've been surrendering in every battle because we didn't even know we were at war and this is the final battle if we don't make a stand and make a change and we can only change ourselves our own consciousness and what we do our own actions each individual person you can't change someone else other people you can only terrorize and there's too much of that going on already you can only control yourself you can only make decisions and actions for yourself so each person needs to change their own consciousness needs to change their own mind and needs to change their own actions to take us all collective them each individual person and us collectively to a different

place and we can still do so you're in a sense and i don't mean correct me if i'm wrong but you know when i when i first read peterson's book uh 12 rules to life. One of his first rules is, you know, clean up your room. It's, it's, it's very much like get your, get your stuff in order, right? And, and, and bear your cross, barrier, bear your, bear your responsibility. And then from there, maybe you can affect your family. And from there, maybe you can affect your community, right? It's kind of the thinking. What you're talking about is essentially that, in a sense. Am I wrong on that? Oh, that's exactly right. And I do present some general ideas is, okay, how, so all of our governments have become corrupt. The structure of governance

has become totalitarian in function, right? We still have the form of democracy, but it's functioning as dictatorship. I wrote a blog post three years ago, it said Canada's dead. I called it, for a long time, I called it the dictatorship of the Privy Council. But I've since come to understand that it's not even the Privy Council in Canada that's making policy. Policies are being, but policies are being set somewhere above the level of national governments. And we see this because there's no way we could have, you know, almost 200 countries in the world with COVID do have exactly the same policy at exactly the same time.

This level of policy. Or as John Cullen just said on the podcast not too long ago, influenza just disappeared in the same three to four weeks and over a hundred in some countries, you know, and it turned into COVID. Yeah. You know, he's like, anyways, I, I get where you're thrown down. But this level of policy coordination has never happened before in the history of the world

and is impossible unless those policies are actually being dictated from a higher level. And that's what we see happening. And we see happening with the sexual agenda. We see happening with the control of alternative media and the internet. It's almost exactly the same legislation that's been brought in Canada and Bill C-11 in the United States. in Australia, in New Zealand, in England, almost everywhere in the world. It's almost word for word exactly the same policies to control all information. It's been brought in.

Like you say, this level of policy coordination is impossible unless those policies are being dictated from a higher level, and that's what we see happening. So we must go back to the drawing board and rebuild our democracies, rebuild how we govern ourselves. And we must start with individual sovereignty. You need to, every single person, you need to take responsibility for yourself. Exactly, Jordan Peterson's point. Clean up your own bedroom. You're responsible. Take responsibility because freedom and responsibility go together. Right. So if you want the freedom, you must accept the responsibility and not blame somebody or else or else or expect someone else to look after you. No, you need to.

to look after yourself. From there, we move from individual sovereignty to the sovereignty of the family. You need to take care of your family. From there to the sovereignty of the community. You need to be a part of your community. Help your neighbors and your friends. We are here to help each other. And if we don't help each other, we're going to be picked off one by one. That's exactly what they're doing with the social terrorism. And so that's where we need to go. we have a top-down structure of governance, and we need to reverse that and create a bottom-up structure of governance so that we don't have massive power collected at a high level. There's no need for that.

And this is the revolution in government that will happen, I think, over the next decade or two, and we need to start building these parallel structures right now. Well, I appreciate you coming in and doing this this morning. It has not been dulled. that is for absolute certain. So I want to end with a final question for you. It's a crude master final question. And it's he's words.

He said, if you're going to stand behind a cause, stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Donald stands behind? Love. Because like you say, the spiritual reality underlies everything. And as I said, the two great spiritual opposite.

are fear and love, and love will take us into the highest level of spiritual consciousness, the highest level of spiritual vibration. And this will create the world that we want. If you want peace, you must be peace, right? You've heard the saying, you have to be the change you want to see in the world. I mean, if you want to eliminate hatred and anger and division and stuff, you must be love. And that's what we're called to do.

This is our spiritual mission of every single person in the world. We must must, this is the path of holiness, right? Is to be, to express, to manifest those qualities that are Godlike, peace, love, joy, compassion, all of the virtues, right, that we've always cherished in our Christian tradition. We must be these, we must express these qualities, manifest these qualities. That's how we bring them into the world, and that's how we create holiness within ourselves and how we make ourselves holy people is by being Godlike in as much as we can. So the principle we need to stand behind, most importantly, is love.

Well, I tell you what, I feel like it's a Bob Marley song. I'm trying to rack my brain, it'll come to me at a different time. Well, the Beatles one, famous beetle, All you need is love. True enough. Yeah, that's a true, yeah, bingo with the Beatles as well. Either way, Donald, it's been, well, like I say, it hasn't been dull. I appreciate you coming to Lloyd, sitting down and doing this.

And, well, I'm not sure what the future holds, but certainly if people want to get a hold of your book or find out more about you, I'll have the links in the show notes so they can do that. And I just appreciate you coming in. sitting down. It's my pleasure and it's my honor to be here. Thank you so much for the invitation, Sean. God bless you. And God bless all of our listeners.