Shaun Newman Podcast - #445 - Brother's Roundtable

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

The Brothers are back at it for week 8 of the NHL Playoffs. Panthers down 2-0, Babcock heading to Columbus & PGA/LIV Golf merge. Recorded June 7, 2023. SNP Presents: Luongo & Krainer https://www.showpass.com/snp-presents-luongo-krainer/ Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Let me know what you thinkText me 587-217-8500

This is Nicole Murphy. This is Rachel Emanuel. Hi, this is John Cohen. Hey, everyone, this is Glenn Jung from Bright Light News. This is Drew Weatherhead. This is Terrick. This is Eddha. And you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast.

So we were just welcome to the Sean Newman Podcast Brothers in studio. We're talking about Live, PGA tour, et cetera, carry on fellas. Obviously, if you're just tuning in the PGA tour and Liv have merged. So we're just debating, talking about, is that good? What does that mean? and if you're, you know, if you're in control of the money, are you in control of the PGA tour? We're just listening to Rory McElroy, you know, presser.

Charles? Go ahead. Crickets. It's funny. Before we start, they're all just gabbing away. I'm like, all right, well, let's just flick it on and then, you know, flick on home. Let's start with the players themselves.

If you signed with Liv and then this happened, like you come out smell like roses. You got a whole bunch of money and you get back into the PGA in the end. A couple years later. It wasn't even that long. I don't even think it was a couple years. It was a year? A year and a half.

Depending on who the player was, right? Sure. But if you're a PGA player, aren't you pissed? Especially one of the better ones? You stuck with them and in the end, they end up back in the PGA tour, but with a lot more money? So that's what we're listening to is. So they say that the PGA tour is in control of everything.

But they're backed by the money. So what Harley was saying is, in the end, doesn't the guy who has the money control everything? they've put the PGA tour guy at the top, but if I'm the money guy, that's who I'd want up there, because you've pissed off all the PGA players. And so now by at least having their guy that looks as the figurehead, right? You got the fall guy?

100%. Kind of feels like Trudeau in China, doesn't it? China's controlling everything. They put Trudeau in there, and here we said. Right? They put the PGA guy at the top. He's giving a whole bunch of money. and but he's the PGA guy.

So here's a question. There's probably organizations that do this. They're like, we got to do a whole bunch of these things that aren't going to be popular. We'll put a guy in place to do all them. And at the end of it, everybody will hate them.

We'll get rid of them. Put someone else in, but the changes will stay. Well, and you wonder if the change, what the big change is going to be is does the PGA morph into this World League? So you've got the sog open and the Greek open

and the French open and the U.S. open. And how quickly this happened. Was this planned? It didn't. happen very quick. Like, we're not talking five years. We're talking like a very short period of time. The first live golf, invitational series event started on the 9th of June, 2022.

So it's been a year. So it's been a year. So you told me one year. It was formed in 2021, but they started pulling over golfers in 2022. Okay. So if you wanted a bunch of a big money backer to try and expand the game, or if you're the Saudis and you want a piece of the PGA, isn't this how you do it? Well, it seems to be, I guess.

Like, it's got to be planned. You cannot have this kind of, like, think of a business deal. Yeah. How long do they take to put together? In a year, you start up a league where you stole a bunch of the players, supposedly, built it up, and then within a year you joined them? It feels like it feels like that it wasn't planned from the very start, but that them guys wanted to start their own league, they threw around big money.

But as soon as they started doing that, then there was started to be talks about how they could merge. I just think, think of this. they have all this money they want the pga the pga says no so they forced their hand but they didn't want to run a league now they get the pg a to run it okay but now they have all the say because they have all the money you heard rory say at least now the pga's in control of where the money goes it's like well are they are they okay so back to this whole plan thing i'm i'm definitely sure that this happened now because think about this if you had a foreign thing think of you as a business owner j or Harles. You guys have a bunch of... Or Sean. Or Sean.

Sure. Come on. Sean. How many employees do you got, Sean? I got one. Okay. He's a disgruntled little man. Okay. So you guys have, uh, someone steals... He finds a way to dig at it anyways. Anyways, carry on, eh? Sorry. Someone's... We're back on strike. No donuts, no donuts. No bagel, no bagel. Yeah, it's not donuts. It's not donuts. It bagels. Anyhow, you have someone takes, let's say, a third of your best drivers away from your company, starts up a different company and competition with you. Is there any way you'd merger with that company within a year?

Yeah. Would you? No, you'd be pissed. There is no way. Yeah, but you try. You'd be absolutely pissed for at least a year. Well, you'd be mad, but you also at some point you try and. Set emotions aside.

I guess what I would say is, is I look at it right now is I probably wouldn't have the ability to then take them back over. But if you had the ability to take them back over, how long does a merger like that take put together? Well, you're probably a year. So you're telling me, Liv started and they started negotiating a merger at that point? No, they took, they started in 21. Their first golf ball was hit in 22 at that point. The PGA is going, maybe this is wiser if we do something here. So you're telling me they started a competitive league, a competition to the PGA.

And by the time the first event started, you had already planned, started planning a merger with them, even though they hadn't even had one event yet? I don't know. I know what you mean. Like, there's no way. Well, the timeline doesn't make sense. I'm trying to think of, you know, different leagues where this has happened. You know, like obviously the NHL had the WHA. That's correct.

Right, and they pulled a bunch of those teams over a span. USFL versus the NFL. What was the NHL and the WHA? How long did the WHA go for? Seven years? That was quite a few years. I think it's longer than seven, isn't it? Try to think when Bobby Hall.

A year is just too short of a timeline. It just is. Like the lawyers would take a year to put that deal together for sure, especially on the scale of that. It might be right. No, Jay was close. September 13th, the 1971, the WHA started, and it ceased in 1979. So eight years.

Eight years. Like that's a more reasonable timeline of how it would work if you actually had a competitively start to be. Here's a trivia question. Who had the most titles in the WHA? Who is the? The Jets? I don't know. Did you just read that?

No, I didn't. I was just guessing. The Winnipeg Jets was three. Bobby Hall played for? Well, he's guessing because that's who signed Bobby Hall. Yeah. And they had the big line there. I thought, my only guess because I thought, well, Bobby Hall.

The Winnipeg Jets with three titles. Oh, there you go. Anyways. What do I get for guessing right? Free lunch. All I'm saying is that a year is too short of a timeline for a rival league to start and then to merge. The only way it makes sense is if that was the plan right from the start.

Maybe Sean could get the head of the PGA on for a podcast. Yeah, but he wouldn't say that that was. the plan all along. What you need is you need someone in the back rooms that knew. I think at the end of it all, right? Like, as it continued to progress, you're probably waiting for the events to roll out, see how they're doing.

And then at some point, though, the players in your own league are going to start going, you know, I can appreciate the PGA for what it is. But if I can get myself to a point where I'm one of the top guys and I can make twice as much money or compete in half the events or whatever. I get all that Harles. All I'm saying is that a year from the time they had their first event

to the time they merge, that timeline is not long enough. No, but how quickly is a business owner do you react when you're like, nah, whatever, it won't be a big deal? And then they snip a bunch of your stars and you go, shit. And then you go, the fans kind of like it, and you thought they might revolt against live. Instead, they were kind of like, Wow, this seems pretty cool.

Like I'm excited. Where do I sign up? And they kept going like that. And you go, we better nip this in the butt real fast. Otherwise. He came a business decision. Yeah. Okay, but the business decision, you're talking about lawyers.

Lawyers will take a year to put that deal together. I know. I'm talking big money, though. Jay, have you ever worked with a lawyer? How long has it taken them to do anything? Oh, no, but Todd's pretty quick. Are we talking on the ice? Are we talking on the ice?

You know what? right now we've got to move on because we've talked PJ way too long. We just lost half for viewership right now. You should talk about who's winning the Stanley Cup final and who picked that team. You know, when Dust starts to pat himself on the back, I want to turn his mic off, you know? Do you know who the only team that has not won in Vegas so far is? The Florida Panthers. Still have not one game in Vegas.

Yeah, that is. The only team. You know why I pick Vegas, the only reason? They tell us why, Dust. Please, could you tell? Could you just... Wisdom? Yes, shower us with your wisdom.

It's because this year I knew that Eminton Oilers were a good team. Not just a good team, a great team. They were a really good team. And for Vegas to beat them, I knew they had to be really good. Because the Oilers had all the pieces in place. They had a defense that was good. Goaltending was just a little bit, but their forwards were great as well. It's a great theory until you go, Boston just had the best team of all time,

and the Florida Panthers beat them. Yeah, sure. and then they go on to be... I'm going to go with my narrative. Okay. I love it. I got a text last week from Nicky McComb who said, I think you guys need to have somebody counterbalance all the oiler talk.

And I was like, nah, screw the flames. And they all started, I guess they were in a vehicle listening to us. And they all thought that would be my response. So they were all laughing. Anyways, I laugh that you bring it all the way back to the Edmonton Oilers. Like, maybe she's got a point there. The interesting thing for me, I guess is that break between when Florida last played to when, you know, it's going to take them

time to get back into the swing of things. And you just hope that it's not too long before. You know what's funny about a long break is sometimes the narrative is, wow, it was too long of a break and they got rusty. And then sometimes like, all that break, they got to heal up and now all of a sudden they're, they're wearing to go again. I don't know if there's ever been, name me a series where it's been a long break and they come back and they win four out of five. Didn't both teams have kind of a long break?

They did. Florida had worse. By a couple days. That's made all the difference. The viewership, we were mentioning before, so the second most viewership game one Stanley Cup finals of all time,

2.8 million people, peaked at 3.3 million. Can you name what the last Super Bowl had for viewership? No. 70 million. $115 million So just to give you an idea So they're ecstatic

That Vegas and Florida are in the finals And you just got you know Gary Bettman's on there saying Hey we're coming up and you're going You're not close So the nice thing that NFL has Is the spectacle of it all Because it's a one game final

And that makes it into A culmination of everything And it's a quick run up Where you have the final game you'll also get a big half-time performance. And it's not split over seven games or four games or whatever it's going to be. It's the thing that makes the NFL what it is, essentially. NFL playoffs are the most exciting because of the shortest of its one-game spectacle.

That's right. It's the same thing. Well, it's the same reason why. Stanley Cup's the hardest to win because it's the biggest grind. Yeah. Well, Major League Baseball and the NBA are both seven games as well. So it's just not the same. It's the one sport where you get everything in one game.

Yeah, but how many people I can, list off probably half a dozen off the top of my head who don't watch the Super Bowl but they'll tune in for the halftime show and yeah they might watch a little bit of the game but so the Super Bowl is not just yeah yeah well the Super Bowl game right you're drawing in for the entertainment value as well well and the way the and the NFL's done a fantastic job of this the way football is structured there's a half time that's long enough to actually have a music show. Whereas in the NHL, you got 20 minutes between periods.

Are you really going to roll out? I tell you what, you go to a hockey game right now. You could have a halftime show between the second and third period the way they drag it on. But what game do you have it in? I don't know. To me, to give an idea the NBA in game one of their finals at 11.5 million. Sure. At the end of the day, NHL's the younger brother out of them all, for sure.

Yeah. The Sean Newman of the whole group. The short stocky one? The NHL is trying to be something that can't be, right? Like, they're trying, you know, like, they're trying to attract all this southern whatever, right? And it's like, okay, whatever. But nobody, all the diehard hockey fans don't give a shit anymore. I mean, the diehards, I guess, do.

But most people are checked out. Like, I don't, you know, in the first couple rounds of playoffs, everybody watched every game. And as the Canadian teams lose out, as some of the storylines of the original six, and things like that lose out, more and more just kind of start to fall off, and they're more worried about the lake and everything else. The difference is, is the United States, it's 330 million people. Well, do the math for me. What's 3 million people out of 330?

Well, that's 1%. Right. So 1% in the United States. We actually figure it was 0.9% of the people in the United States watch game with. But if you're talking about the, the problem you have in the States is most of the states doesn't even get snow or a good chunk of it doesn't. They don't have winter. They don't play hockey because it's different.

It's popular in Canada because we get winter for six months of the year. So, of course, hockey's going to be popular. And it's been our game for a hundred years. Sure. Like, it's been a pastime. We have idiots to play year round. No, we do. But if you go to Florida or Texas, like, why didn't they play hockey there?

Oh, because they don't get snow. Like, you've got California, like, you've got all these places in the States where hockey's never going to be the number ones. But then you rewind it back to the Super Bowl, though. It's like the Super, the NFL has done a great, the great job. They own a day of the week. for the time frame they're running, they own a day of the week. They have, the only thing that might be, and I don't know, you could look up fast what the UFC gets for one of the, like, you know,

when Connor McGregor or somebody was fighting, right? Like, their viewership, but even then, like, I don't know if there's a spectacle like the Super Bowl. And the thing is, it comes around every year, and bless my wife, loves, you know, love her to bits. She doesn't watch a single game of football. The Super Bowl Bowl goes on, and she'll gladly go to a party, sit down and visit. It's a huge gathering. Like, no other sport has that. The problem with you have with pretty much every other sport that I can think of off the top of my head is there's no one winner game, everything take all,

where you can have the halftime show and it's all set and done, right? You're right. The NHL, they flood. And then they sit there and then blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, so what game do it? It's like, well, I don't know. Like, I mean, at the end of the day, but baseball has the same. problem. It's not like baseball is anything.

basketball. Right. All of them, as soon as you're not a one game, winner take all, it's just different. And so the NHL is like trying to open up all these different markets and whatever. And it's like, great, that's great. I wonder what if they did get to a game seven, I wonder what the viewership would be.

Well, I was looking on, so I pulled up what this shows, see, and this doesn't match your numbers. This was from Tampa Bay and Colorado. And I thought this was a heck of a series. In 2022, it said, average viewers for game one was 4.6 million. Did that include Canadian? I'm assuming, let's assume it's everywhere.

So 4.6 million, game 2, 4.2, then 3.74, and it peaked, or not peaked. Then it was 4.1 million, 4.5, games 5 was 5.1, and game 6 was 5.8. So you can see if it went to game 7, you know, you're still under 10 million people. You're still under 10 million, yeah. You're still half of what the Americans get for basketball. You know what I think the Oilers should do? Or the Oilers, the NHL should do? See, right back to the Oilers, A Dust.

The Oilers, I'll get into that. 8.7 million. Cross, there you go. Across the world. Cross the world. And that's an original 6 team with a lot of, like, you know, Boston and St. Louis is, you know, another American team, too. So the UFC, they don't save people because it's pay-per-views. So the highest event they've ever has 1.1 million pay-per-views.

sold and how much cost for a pay-per-view 20 bucks 40 if you go back to if you go back to boston and Vancouver game 7 8.5 and that was the last time we had a Canadian team in the final last time game seven though game seven so game seven for they started game seven with a canadian team game seven with a game seven and and here's what they look at with the um it's noilers and the carolina hurricanes that year 5.2 stupid carolina so anyhow what I was going to say about the NHL is I wish they would do this I wish they own the day of the week because I think that would help immense. Well, Saturday night.

No, not just Saturday night. I think every team in the NHL should play every Saturday. Fair. Okay. But they kind of own Saturday night. No, no, for sure. Hockey night in Canada is Saturday night, right? And then it has been fair-

But all day on Saturday. You should have games culminating on Saturday. But they do that lots of dust. Yeah, but they don't have every team play. Yeah, not all the time, but lots of times I do. Yeah. The Saturday's kind of, like, when I think of hockey Saturday night. No, no, I get that.

And I don't think of anything else that goes on Saturday. I get that. I mean is they're competing with college football, which is probably the best they can do. Yes. What I'm saying, though, is that your team should play every Saturday. Right. No, I don't disagree. Toronto may believe play every Saturday.

But I think they should do that for the team. Okay, but I'm going to make a stupid argument to you, but I'm going to say not every team in the NFL plays on Sunday. I don't know what to say about that one. You know, we started out last week with predictions, or was it two weeks? I can't even remember anymore now. We did the predictions. Was Jay at this one or not? I don't know.

I haven't been at all of them, but I'll tell you what. My predictions is, you know what's weird about me this year? I'm going to tell you guys a little story right now. Okay. So I am by far the lowest out of the four of us on predicting series. Correct. And yet, I am walking away with the Don's Cup. Like, it's in my back pocket.

I've walked out the store. It's all over, right? Right now, I am seven points up on the only guy that can catch me. He's got four Florida guys. The winner gets $600. The winner gets $600. I don't know how many people are in it, like 25, 30 people, and I'm in the top two, I'm going to win some money, right?

Doing awesome that, but come on here and pick serious. Like, how could I win all that stuff? And then absolutely drudge, terrible pick. Like, it's a weird season for me. One of my favorite stories was at Hillmond. I got you to help me with my hockey draft when I was in, like, grade three, and I won the dang thing. And all the older boys were like, how did you do?

I was just like, I want a whole bunch of money back. I don't even know if they allow you. to do hockey drafts with money anymore anyways. But you sat down and helped me go through it, and we won that year. Anyways, I don't know. That's, you know, when you think about it, Jay, it's hilarious because you are abysmal. I amissal. You are five for 14.

You're not even... So that's where I have a shout out to to Greg McKenzie, because on the boat on Saturday, when we're fishing, he said that Florida was going to do well, and he was offering the other guy odds on $100. The other guy didn't want to take it. So I said to Greg, what odds he offered? He says, three to one. So I said, so if Florida wins, you get $100 for me, and if Vegas wins, I get $300?

Yeah. So we shook hands. I said, is that for the series? Nope, just for game one. So we ended up hitting a walleye hole. We're doing really well. We get in after the game's over. Sure enough, Vegas won, 5-3, right?

I'm up 300 bucks. At the end of the weekend, we're driving home. And I said, did you guys tip the, you know, the camp for a good time and all the fish we caught and everything? And they said, yeah. I said to Greg, you know how much I tipped him? He said, you tipped him 300 bucks, didn't you? I said, fucking rights. It was a great.

So there again, right, picking the right way, just not picking the right way here. So I don't know what's going on. Maybe too much pressure on the mic, eh? Well, I was going to say, so, you know, we went from, I'm like, well, Florida's going to win the series. I believe I said in seven. and they can still do that. You can still do that. But giving up five goals, one game, and seven the next, I go, well, you're not going to win anything that way.

I'll go on the line right now. I'm going to say that Florida wins game three. I don't, I'm pretty sure I said at the start of the show last time was that it was pretty much split throughout the season series between the two teams. So they're down to rip. Yeah, I'm with Jay. I think they'll run out of the series tell you lose at home. That's right. right.

Two rips here by Florida and all of a sudden we're having a different conversation again. That's right. And Dustin doesn't seem so smart sitting over there. To bring this all back to the Oilers. I remember them being down two nothing to San Jose in 2006, came home, went to overtime. Roli the goalie made a huge save on Jonathan Chichu in overtime in game three. They came back and scored a goal and then won the next three games and won the series. Went on the Stanley Cup final and almost one or all.

Anyhow. So you're not out of it until you lose it home. I got to love the oysters. That's for you, Nikki. Do you want some more hockey? Sure. Proveroff. Let's talk about it.

Because he came out with, he wasn't going to wear the Pride jersey, right, in the city of love. Which Brear said had nothing to do with the trade. Right. It's like the politicians saying Ottawa had nothing to do with all the lockdowns going away. Give me a fucking break. We know that that had something to do with the trade. Who were they blamed? Who did they said the lockdowns came from?

No, no, no, all the, all the, um... The trucker convoy going to Ottawa? Nothing to do with them rescinding all the lockdowns and all the mandates. Like, oh, no, no, I had nothing to do with that. You're right. So they trade Proveroff because they, you know, it had nothing to do with that. Right. Give me a break.

Anyway, by the way, he's, um, Russian Orthodox. Russian Orthodox. That's correct. His belief. Yes. During on. So... Did they trade him because he was Russian?

No, I do not believe that. No, I don't think that. That doesn't make sense to me. Anyway, carry on. Is dust just full of conspiracies? No, no, no. I said that because the Russians have, there's lots of people who dislike Russians right now.

Maybe it's because he played in Brandon, eh, dust? Maybe. The old grasshoppers out there, yeah. Anyways, did you like the deal for Columbus? I can pull it up here. Sure. I find it a strange deal for Columbus again. Well, you finished at the very,

bottom of the league, and you're trading away a first round pick for a guy who's had not great numbers the last three years. And you're bringing in controversy when, you know, if Columbus was battling for a cup, like if they were in, let's say the Oilers position or L.A. Kings or something, and they think that, hey, one more quality defenseman that can munch some numbers, but some minutes, but, I mean, they're not. They're at the bottom of the league, and now you're bringing in this guy that's had a little bit of controversy surround him who hasn't played well for the last three years and you're giving up a first round pick for them i don't really understand first and a second i believe is uh uh yeah first and a second

in la give up a second la i love the trade for la so to columbus you get ivan proveroff yeah to the flyers they get a first over a first round pick 22nd overall and to the la kings you get a second in 2024 and a Columbus second in 2024 or 2025, Cal Peterson, Sean Walker, and prospect, Helgi Granz, something on. So what L.A. did, though, just so you recognize it, is they picked, they got rid of Sean Walker's contract, which was $2.something million, who wasn't in their top six anymore. They got rid of Cal Peterson's $5 million a year contract without retaining any, salary and they gave up a second round pick to do that so they gave up seven and a half million

dollars for a second round pick to free all that cap space up because oh yeah let me let me read this again sorry i have butchered this i don't know why i'm my ierson had a five and a half million dollar contract five million so so so to columbus ivan pro rock to the flyers a twenty twenty second overall pick so a twenty second overall pick la king's twenty twenty four second round pick Columbus, a second round in either 24 or 25, Cal Peterson, Sean Walker, and Prospect, Helgey Grants. That went to the Flyers. And to the LA Kings, they retained 30% of Proveroff's contract.

They got Kevin Knotten and Hayden Hodgson. So that's, sorry, that's went there. I kind of butcher money. What L.A. did is they became the third party between the two? Yeah, and retained Proveroff salary. Well, they retained 30%, which is a million and a half bucks. But in doing so, they got rid of Cal Peterson off the books. and they got rid of Sean Walker off the books.

Right? So they freed up seven and a half. Why would Philly do that deal then? I don't understand it now. So Philly, I think in that locker room, I think they were ready to move on from Proveroff, whether it was a pride thing or a couple other things. They were ready to move on from Proveroff.

Danny Breyer's coming in to make his own stamp on the team. They've been garbage for the last couple years. So the definition of insanity is when you keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Breyer came in, we're going to start moving guys. He moved him. What did he pick up? Does this make him better?

First and two seconds. Who, Philly? Yeah. No, no, no. Philly is rebuilding. They're going to break this all down. So they picked up a first and two seconds for Proveroff. Yeah, they got Cal Peterson for two years at $5 million, but by the time they need the money

and anything, he'll be gone anyways. So they picked up a first and two seconds for Proveroff. That's not a bad haul. I got you. Right? Columbus is the funny one for me, because I go, okay, I guess you added Proveroff to your back end. So you think you're going to go from the third worst team in the NHL to, you

challenging for the Stanley Cup because you picked up Proveroff so you gave up a first and a second to pick up Proverroff. He's a UFA in two years. That's, it's a funny deal for them just my opinion. To add him in with the Johnny Hockey and a couple others. Well can you imagine what a

mixed match? So you got Patrick Liny Johnny Godroll, Ivan Proverroff like there's a great court to go win the cup, eh? Well but now this brings in Mike Babcock That's the story's going around now, right? Yeah, now the story is they're going to bring in Babcock, right? Like, it's just a tire fire in Columbus right now.

Why would you ever try and build a hockey team around Johnny hockey? First of all. I have no idea. Like, if you're going to spend some money, that's not the guy. Well, usually build on defense and down the middle, and instead they went, so their highest, where their highest paid best two players on the Columbus Blue Jackets are two wingers and a goalie. And Patrick Lainey seems like he's beyond. So they trade away.

Corpus Sallow. So now they got Elvis Merzlanklins, who I think was a below 890 save percentage last year, have absolutely nobody else in the wings at the goaltending position, and they go pick up Proveroff. And they're winning something. And their wingers are a super streaking line A and a very small Johnny Hockey. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Well, have you watched Line A play? Like, he is legitimately one, just a one way. You know how they talk about a five-star package? You know, the guy can skate and shoot. and hit and the whole bit. Line A is a one star. He can shoot. That's it.

He's slow. He's terrible defensively. The athletic says Mike Babcock is joining the blue jackets. Like it's not a... It's not even rumor anymore. Because what this is saying is that he likes big, strong defenseman. Proverroff's 511. It says from Babcock's perspective,

Proverov surely fits the bill. The stakes are high for Babcock as he joins the Blue Jackets. Now in the wake of this trade, he starts out. He gets to start out his Columbus tenure. with a defender that seems like the ideal representation of his long-held stylistic preferences. That's what the athletic is that the Columbus athletic? No, that's the athletic. Where's the athletic?

I don't know. Where is the athletic? Well, they have writers from all different. From all over the place, don't it? I actually don't know where the athletics. Sounds like a homer write-up. Sounds like a. In fairness, the entire article just said what you said.

the big winner is Danny Breyer and then the L.A. Kings. Yeah. Those are the two winners of the trade, and it makes zero sense for why Columbus is making that. Can you imagine? So you're sitting here talking about what Ken Holland's got to do. He's got absolutely no budget. He loved to find probably a top six winger and even a defenseman

and somehow and still sign Bouchard McLeod and Koston and figure this all out, right? Meanwhile, L.A. just went and got rid of the, let's say the two bottom players, even with retaining a little bit of Proveross Salli, freed up $6 million. They also traded Jonathan Quick, which I know there was people in this room who didn't like that, to pick up Corpusala who was very good in the playoffs for a Quick who was over the hill and will be out of the league next year.

We didn't like the Quick got traded? I'd have to go back and listen. I'm pretty sure we were sitting in cheers, having a beer. Oh, no, it was on cheers. It may not have been on the mic. Or is this while you were in bed dreaming of us. Distinctly where I said, I like the deal because I think Corpusalo is a very capable of. Once again, I love how...

Capable building quick is over the hill. Dust has got his old hand pack going on its back already, eh? Just patting himself. I just remember... I just remember... So watching that deal, do you think that there's any way that Eminton somehow packages up Campbell and takes a run at, you know,

there's been rumors about Hellebuck or something like that. Who's... Elliot Freeman. Elliot Freeman was on Bob Stauber here about a week or two ago and said there is nothing off the table for Ken Holland. They believe the Eminton owners window is right now. Yes. So meaning that

They'll do whatever they have to They do whatever they have to In reality You know Could they have traded away The problem is Do you trade away Jack Campbell Free up the 5 million

You still have to have somebody That replaces him Yes Who are replacing him So you don't want to replace them This is the old argument again You don't want to replace them With someone who makes more money

But you go back The only thing is Hella buck's got one year left on his deal Does he not? Yeah the problem I have with Hellebuck I feel like that's a fan kind of wish, but Helibuck's an American. It's got one year until he's UFA.

And they even said again, Brian Lotton said today, you know, you have to be concerned of where Hellebuck wants to resign. He's an American player. Chances are he's wanting to go down to the States. Sounds like L.A. I feel nervous about Emerton doing that. You know the guy I would be interested in

who I've been interested in forever, and if Philly's going to blow this all apart, is Carter Hart, a hometown kid. What about Carter Hart and Kevin Hayes? and then when you find a third partner to eat some of Kevin Hayes's money he comes in as your third line center

you pick up Carter Heart they take Campbell back they take Yamamoto back like is there something we can work there I heard that L.A. wants to get Hallibuck yes I've heard that they just freed up like six million dollars now how scary would a division would that division be if they picked up Halibuck

yeah well then you'd have L.A. Vegas and Emmettin with Calgary sitting in the wings yeah and Seattle who's not bad Right. Now, she becomes a very tough division. Very tough division. Yeah. Yeah.

Is Oilers biggest, you know, I don't know how the heck we made this all the way, Mike Babcock to the Hamilton owners again, but hey, whatever. Roll with it. If you, you know, everything, nothing's off the table. Okay, fair. Are you going out and signing or trading for number one goalie? That's what you think the issue is? Because then you come back to what we talked about at the end of them losing out and being like,

I was frustrated with goaltending. But then everyone's like, well, but another defenseman. We're one defenseman away. You got Mike, you got, not Mike Smith. If the Oilers have Bobroski in that this year, do they beat Vegas? I think they had Jack Campbell and the last game. So you think if they had Barbrowski with how Barbrowski was playing, they beat Vegas. So I hate it coming down.

So you have to, if you don't think you need to go get a guy like, see, the thing I love about Carter Harder is you bring Carter Hart in at $4 million bucks, and you got Skinner there. And you got two young guys that can go battle it out that are. both going to be number one stars in the league. Okay. So here's the thing about goaltending and it goes for all the trades you have to make is it has to make sense for the team. Yes. And this is where you're talking about Hellebuck not making sense because his

price tag and his term and his contract and what are you going to have to give up and is it going to make any sense. Right. And so, you know, does Carter Hart make sense? Well, sure, depending on what the price tag is to get them. That's right. And how many, like, I don't know how long he has on his contract or whatever. He might even be restricted when he comes off of it and he is an Emmerton guy.

So there's a lot there that you're going to have to make work. to make happen. Now is Carter Hart a decent prospect to go get? Sure. There's a goaltender I'd like. Gibson would be another one I'd love to get. Now, would you ever get them? Probably not. But like there's some goalies that would be nice ads. The question is what the price take is to get them. Well, and the question is, or are you even worried about that? Are we stepping right back into can we go find that? Do you, do you think that Holloway or Lavoie is the answer as the second line where? I am not worried about their top six. Now you can go. Carter Hart has got, one year left.

Well, it says cap percentage is 4. No, it's 3.9 million, and he's a restricted free agent after this year. But he's still restricted, so he still have control over him. Yes, right? He hasn't been lights out. He's not going to be going for $7 or $8 million. Well, I just, in my mind, if I'm dead to rebuild, are you getting rid of a young Stegg goaltender?

The only thing you have not been in that room, you do not know what's going on there. Sure. And if Danny Breer is going to take this down to the, the nuts and bolts of it. I mean, there could be a lot of guys on the move. So if the Oilers, for example, said, hey, we'll throw in Xavier Borjo and we'll throw in our second round pick this year. Sure.

And, you know. We'll throw Jack Campbell in and away we go. Right. So here's something else too, is Daniel Breyer is a young GM, meaning he hasn't been doing the job for very long. And the chance of actually fleecing someone goes up exponentially with someone who hasn't been in the job

very long. Especially when he's just worried about tearing it down. You're not calling up Steve Reiserman and making this deal. You're not calling up... Although Stevie Eizheimer in the early days, nobody was fleecing that man. No, no, no. Who's the guy who's the GM of the New York Islanders right now? Well, you're talking about the old guy from the devils.

Lou La Merell. Lou La Merell. Yeah, you're not walking in to Lou La Merello making that deal. No. But because Daniel Beers just into that position, could you walk in and steal something? You probably could. So, do you call them? Yeah, you probably...

Well, you're making calls right now. You probably, well, you're probably the next time at a social function. Yeah, but I think if there was a new GM walking in and you were told by ownership, you're breaking this team down. Yeah. I don't know if it's just Daniel Breyer. I think there might be, for sure, opportunities. Arizona's done it.

The time to get players is when a GM takes over. And you're right, it might not necessarily be a new GM, but anytime there's a new GM in place, they're going to make changes, which means that's the time to swoop in and grab some stuff. On it, anybody can wrestle, we all grew up watching wrestling, yeah? Well, actually, I was going to mention when we were talking about viewership, the only other sport that I could think of, not sport. WrestleMania? But WrestleMania is one of those main events where it's one day and it's like over the top, entertainment, and it's not sport per se. Pretty sure the wrestlers that Jay and I watch were probably different than the wrestlers that Sean and Harlan watched.

But at the same time, too. Who is the wrestlers in your day that you watched? Stone Cold, the Rock. Jay? Hulk Hogan. I was just going to say the Iron Cheek passed away today. Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant. Ultimate Warrior.

I remember the... Macho man, Randy Savage. WrestleMania 39 became the most social WrestleMania of all time with over 500 million views and 11 million hours of video consumed over two days. 500 million viewers? 500 million views. So it could be on social media, could be whatever, right?

So then that's where you get into the in the waters, right? But back in your guys' day when you guys were growing up, WrestleMania was a big deal, but it wasn't the same kind of beast that it is now, right? Where you go and it's a crazy event, right? But do you think that there's more people watching wrestling now with the UFC and everything else?

No, there you go. 1.8 million is what WrestleMania gets. There you go. 1.8. So it's lower than the NHL. Yeah, there you go. Very unpopular. For a non-sport entity.

They do pretty well. though. And then the UFC, I was curious about that. The only problem with any MM. 900,000 viewers watch UFC 251. So, I mean, but that's just picking one out of the blue, I think. Any of those MMA, the boxers, anything like that, it's not about an event. You're talking about one specific person that people get drawn to.

And now there's that calling like the McGregor or whatever, right? And then, you know, but that's true. Because I'm not watching UFC all the time, but if there's, a big max then all of a sudden you start what you want to go back is look at mcgregor versus uh who's the guy could be yeah the one point one million pay-per-view or for kebib and mcgregor or me weather was the same way right where he yeah drew that kind of spectacle right but okay anyways i don't need uh to hold you guys all here one on final note we had was minoa being sent down to uh if you want a little baseball action so so then the question is does he go down there

and come back and rip apart the MLB for the next 10 years or is his career over? No, no. I think he's into the second, like his first year went so well and success happened so quick. I think what happened was after year Wani, he come, went, huh, I'm pretty good at this. And you can see it happening. And I think you get a little bit lazy because especially as a young guy. It happens all the time in the NHL.

They call it the sophomore slump. Absolutely. And I think this year. And I can see it coming in. coming in where the second year he just doesn't put the time and effort in and he starts to have a little bit of failure and it gets inside his own head. Do I think he comes back? Yeah, I think he's a good pitcher who's going to come back strong. I think.

This year? I don't know if he'll be this year or next year. Hopefully this year. But I think a little bit of time down there to straighten his head out where there's less pressure. That's the other thing. Once you're in the majors, everybody's watching. There's a huge amount of pressure to perform. I got to watch that guy.

Especially when you're Canada's team too, right? Yeah. Yeah, but you go play for the Yan. Like, I mean, you know, but I agree. Yeah, but if you're in the majors versus AAA, it's two different things. It's funny. I watched him pitch live. So it shocks me that's where he's at because like he was electric to.

He was lights out. Yeah, he was electric to watch live. Here's something about Manoa, too. Is he's a very confident, almost brash, almost arrogant kind of guy last year, right? Like he was larger than life at times. And I get, you know, you start to have some problems and your confidence slips a little bit and then the swagger leaves and then you're in trouble. And that's kind of guy. He needs to go down the minors and strike O10.

Yeah. Probably plunk a few guys, maybe punch a few guys and he'll be back. Like, seriously. Like, he needs to go to a place where he can, he can just throw. So are the Js better now with him gone for a while? I don't mean long term, but I mean, you know, when you got a guy struggling like that and he's supposed to be your number one, does it change, you know, the clubhouse a little bit because you pull him out of there. Everybody likes him.

He's not trying to be negative. Nobody's trying to be negative. But you just, you pull him out of there. Now, Gosman's your number one, right? Everybody shifts a little bit. Does that kind of galvanize the Js in the way they go? As a player on that team, you got to kind of know, don't you? Even if you like the guy, even if you know he was a stud last year, you're sitting there going.

So, Dust, are you saying that they're sending him down so that he can go. see a mid-40 Susan Sarandon. Is that what you're getting at? Hey, whatever it takes. A little Bull Durham. A little Bull Durham. Great movie. You might know in it,

but I think it comes as surprised to everyone that he's down, isn't it? Well, at the start of the year, you wouldn't expect. He's the opening day starter. In the end, though, this is a team that's built to win, and they all believe they can win, and you might really like him, but if he's struggling that

bad, you want to see back you want to see him doing good but does it in your own mind you go you know I wouldn't mind seeing what we can do for another month here without him pitching right and wait until he comes like the thing is you look at their hitters I was like Owen and I were watching like the batting the batting percentage of some them have I was just like like they got some hitters on that team and then you look at some of the other like even their their middle inning relievers they're not bad no they really aren't you got Romano you got a couple good starter

even, you know, some of the stars you're a little bit worried about, they've been okay. I think Manoa comes back for the stretch run sometime end of August. With the Swagger back. Well, and you can't bring him back until he's like. Right. Actually, the time would be the start of September because then they're able to add, I believe, three more to the roster. How hard of a discussion do you think it was with him? Do you think he would have taken it?

He wouldn't have taken it well? No, not at all. He's not the kind of guy who would. No. But you had to do it. Yeah. So it would have been a hard discussion. 100%.

Yeah, this is what Schneider said. It wasn't an easy conversation. He understands that the performance hasn't been really good, hasn't really been there, and he just really wants to help his team be in a position of one. So he took it about as good as he can take it. Did you see how Harley reacted when you talked to him about pulling him off the pair with Dr. Capacity?

A little defensive, hey? Actually, I was watching the Blue J game the other day. This is before they sent him down, they were talking about Minowa, and he was saying he was trying not to pitch balls. in certain counts. And that's a very, as a pitcher, you can't be thinking that way. Right.

Because that's pitching not to fail. Right. And you can't do that as a pitcher. That's what happens to goal scores. Right. When things are going right, you're just shooting a puck and everything's going. Everything goes in. And then when things stop going in, then pretty soon you're going, I don't want to

shoot it too high at his glove or I don't want to miss, you're so busy thinking about what you don't want to do. So here's a question for HVIA. Do you like winning that much or do you hate losing? And that's what drives you. Hate losing for me. See, I would say Sean hates losing. Sean hates losing.

For sure. I don't think I'm a losing guy. I don't think so. He just like winning that much. Yeah, I like to win the game. Can it be both? Like I flip and hate, I hate losing, but man, the sweet taste of victory is something else. I guess so, but the reason I say that with such certainty is when I was coaching, when we won, it was almost a feeling of relief.

And I was so tired. like I was just all the energy and I'm coached I'm not even skating and I'm just all the energy's gone out of me right and I just it's a feeling of relief and I was just good right whereas when we lost it irritated and drunk yeah yeah right yeah and so

that's why I say that I think I've got to the point now where I'm not afraid of losing anymore and I think when I was younger was probably kind of different oh no no I'm afraid of losing you're not afraid of losing it doesn't matter to you if the wells go down or they stay running no no no no no no no no I didn't say I didn't want to lose Jay. What I said is I'm not afraid of losing anymore. I'm afraid to lose it. What does your

life look like if you're losing? No, no, no. I'm not afraid to lose at noon. Jay, you're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm not saying that I don't want to win. I do. But I'm not afraid of losing of losing. Losing with what? What I'm saying is it's not something that probably drives me at this point. Are you afraid of losing when you're running the oil company? No, no. The question was afraid of losing versus wanting to win. Yeah. What he's saying he, he, he's saying he, he, he's, wants to win and that's what drives them, not the fear of losing. Right, and I'm fear of losing. I detest losing.

I don't think I fear it. I think I absolutely hate it. I hate that. The feeling you just talked about is like, uh-huh, anyways. Yeah, it's almost like that.

It's like being up 9-1 in game 5 a noon hour and then losing 11, 10 and being like, who scored the finals and goals in that game to win? You know, and folks, as he says that and pats himself on the back one more time, you have to understand there's no body contact. and there'd be nothing better than laying dust out in the middle of the ice. There was quite a few hooks on dust when he was coming down on the ice. I did know that. Oh, you're counting the hooks.

I was on your team and I was fine with it. I don't say I wasn't there Monday to calm the boys down on the bench. Are we going to count the hooks on? Just dust it. That's the only person to count the hooks on? I got to describe the game for two seconds before a go because we went up and nothing. Yeah, yeah. And then this folks, this is where I need twos to come on and just talk over you for literally a minute.

eight goals go up nine eight they tied it nine nobody cares nobody care parted the winner with two seconds left in the game win the game you win the series 10 nine you literally flopped the shot it was a flowing it was an ugly goal no no no it's a worse goal it deflected off the defenseman stick i was trying to go top corner it's a terrible goal went off grabers grabber actually how many goals did you get that game because i know i had a couple how many you get today dust two i was plus did you i was literally plus 10 we're up i was plus nine we're up nine one i'm plus nine i feel like I'm playing a pretty good game.

And then I stuck it in reverse because I'm like, oh, we might as to let them have a goal or two. You know, Dustin's kind of pouting. And you know, I'm hook and pout can't. I'm hooking them too much, folks. I'm hooking them too much. And then, you know, they turn it on. And then it's, you know, it's like you let the, nothing like losing 18 games in a row and leaving your brother at your other brother's house to walk home in the middle of the winter with no jacket. Kids, let this be a lesson to you.

Kids, let this be a lesson to you. You cannot shut down. no matter if you think you've got the game in the bag or not you can't shut down you know you don't stop you don't stop and it drives you nuts when you're on the other team you're like why don't they just stop because you're up nine one and you're like oh we'll just let them have a little bit of fun which you want them to do hey i got one more story about this because o'n one won the chest the chess tournament in kids got yeah congrats to owen actually and he didn't let the other guy take pawn no no so what happened this what happened was is he played in the semi-final very tight game which he ended

ended up winning. So he knows he's in the finals, it's a double knockout. So he's waiting for you stand in the back just like a pins and needles. No, actually it wasn't bad. I was just watching there. Anyhow, the kid's coming up from the bottom and he's got time to waste. And there's a kid there lost out earlier. And they started joking around playing a chess game off to the side and just being total goofballs. And the kid he beat in the semifinal, he ends up playing in the final. In the first game, it's double knockout. So if he loses, he plays again. But in that first game in the final, Owen's not playing like himself at all. And luckily somehow the other kid put him in a stalemate because he should have won it and then

all won the game after that I'm talking to him on the way home he's like dad when I won the semi final game and started being goofy with that other kid my mindset changed and that's why I played so poorly in that final game because I let my my mindset change into you know not being not constrained not focused, not preparing. It was having fun. I got it in the bag kind of thing, right? Just like Sean was talking about it. And then you lose 10-9.

Same kind of thing. 11-10. And that's why I say, game three here, I'm not talking about the whole series right now, but game three, Florida wins. Shut her off.