Shaun Newman Podcast - #446 - Simon Esler

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

Actor who did comedy theatre for 15 years who has now turned himself into a documentary film maker and content creator. This year he debut his first independent film "𝖢𝖴𝖳 - 𝖣𝖺𝗎����𝗁𝗍𝖾𝗋𝗌 𝗈𝖿 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝖶𝖾𝗌𝗍" which explores the thought of why did the trans explosion take off so quickly and easily and what were the cultural norms that enabled this social contagion to spread? He also has a six part series "SUPER ORGANISM" which takes a look at the war on the family and whether the culture in which we now live contains a meaningful, stable ideal of the family unit. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 SNP Presents: Luongo& Krainer https://www.showpass.com/snp-presents-luongo-krainer/ Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast

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Here we go. This is Simon Esler and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Okay, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Simon Esler. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on. Yeah, pleasure to be here. You know, it's funny. You always wonder, we were supposed to do this a couple weeks ago, I feel like, now.

and you know and as schedules and family life and everything else happens this happens to me all the time it seems like in this chair whether it's me or the guest it doesn't work out that day and I I go on when it happens I bet it was meant to happen on the day you know when it comes so I don't try to fight that too much because you know usually it works out for the best so here we sit you know a couple weeks later I'm excited to have you on I got shared a bit of your story by one of the listeners and that And of course, I watched your documentary, which I got to be honest, was a tough watch. But in saying that, some of the best things out there right now are tough watches. But before we get into all of that, maybe we could just start with a bit about Simon, give your background, wherever you want to lead us, and we'll start there. Sure, sure. Well, I'm an actor in many ways. That's a lot of what I started with.

So I majored in theater here in Toronto. So I was doing comedy theater in Toronto for about 13 years. And when the lockdowns hit, that creative outlet for me got squashed. And I ended up having to adapt. Now, around the same time, I had been working really in the UFology community. I have had some pretty interesting experiences throughout my life, so I got very naturally led. You have a question?

What did you say? UFOLogy. Oh, yes. Like UFOs? Yes, yes. Oh, boy. Okay. Well, boys and girls, buckle up.

Here we go. Okay, UFOology. So that was the space that I was in for years. Like I said, I had naturally been led there just from experiences I had. I got to know. You know, here we go, boys and girls. Buckle up because Sean's in a mood this morning. When you say UFOlogy and you say experiences,

you can't just glaze over that. It's like me saying I won the Stanley Cup or something. It's like, once upon a time, I won this thing called the Stanley Cup. And it's like, what? Can you back up there? Sure. So when you're talking about UFOs, what experiences have you had? A lot.

Let me touch on a few. I grew up going to a family cottage in Muscoca. So just a couple hours north of Toronto. And growing up, I saw a lot of things in the sky there. Probably the most notable things would be, you know, lights that looked like shooting stars. So they were moving at the speed of shooting stars, but then they would do 90-degree turns in the sky. And I would see that over and over again. There was another time when I saw a large purple spiral open up in the sky.

I was laying there. I was about 11 years old, laying in the snow. in the middle of the winter, just looking up at the night sky, and this purple spiral just opens up in the sky and just rotates for about 30 minutes. I just laid there watching it. Now, as a kid at that age, I didn't really make much of it. I didn't go into any theories or anything. To me, it was just a beautiful, strange phenomenon that kept me very open-minded.

And so I had that experience, and I continued to see things throughout my life, even when I was in my 20s, I saw some similar things living in Toronto. I saw lights moving across the sky at impossible speeds, crisscrossing each other through the sky. These were things that I saw. Now, you know, that doesn't assume extraterrestrials at all. These are just phenomena. But it did lead me in that direction. And so I really started to study UFOology.

I wanted to know when I was older. I wanted to know more about what I was potentially seeing. And so I ended up going down that rabbit hole and having even more experiences. There was a UFO conference I attended in Colorado. And we saw these blue lights materialize in and out around the power lines as we were all outside skywatching together. So there have been a lot of experiences for me throughout the years. And because I was in this space, creating content and doing research, looking into this, networking, I end up getting invited to do some talks at some UFology conferences and to share some of my ideas about what's going on, how we need to proceed, what do we do with this material, because it really brings to bear a lot of spiritual questions. I think that's where a lot of people end up is it brings you to contemplate things spiritually because it brings up big questions about our existence.

And so after having done some materials, some conference material, it was very impactful. It really struck a chord with a lot of people and I got approached by some gentlemen who were developing a streaming platform at the time. It was called Edge of Wonder. And they approached me and said, would you like to come and make a show for us? That ended up coinciding with, eventually with the lockdowns and the sort of destruction of the theater industry in Toronto. and all the other work I was doing. So at the same time, I was working as a personal support worker. I was doing mindfulness-based personal support work for people on the autistic spectrum.

And that was gone after the lockdowns hit. You know, it was just so much disappeared. And I ended up kind of being put in a position where developing online content ended up being a major passion for me. It ended up being a need, really in terms of creativity, because I noticed that once I wasn't doing comedy theater, and of course there was no going to conferences and doing anything like that at that time,

I really needed to amp up my creative outlet through content creation. And that also coincided with just me being censored across social media. You know, I had been running a free-thinking think tank on Facebook around that time, around 2018, around that time. And it got to about 14. thousand members. And it really challenged a lot of official narratives. And so it was not something that was appreciated in those spaces. And I got nuked on Facebook. I got shadow band everywhere. So

I decided to adapt to my circumstances. I figured there's all this censorship. You know, there's what's going on in the world. I have this opportunity to share my research and my understandings and to get really good at content creation. So I decided to take about half a decade to just sell content to streaming platforms and to get really good at my craft. So I ended up over time developing a 4K film studio in my home and putting that together and just refining my skills within the spaces of these private communities. So I was making content for Edge of Wonder, which eventually became RISE TV. So that's what it is today.

Developing content for a platform called Dauntless Dialogue where I have a number of things there, but namely a six-part docu-series on the war on the family. And so that's what I've been doing is working within these private communities refining my craft, moving myself forward in being able to offer high quality content that challenges a lot of what's going on

and cut Daughters of the West is my first fully independent release where I am no longer in one of these private streaming communities where I'm actually putting this out there all by myself and putting it out to the world and starting to move things in a bit of a different direction and push past a lot of the censorship and build a public presence a little bit more.

And so that's sort of, I guess, the journey that has brought me to where I'm at today. And it's been a wild ride. You know, folks, I'm certainly going to get to this documentary. You've hammered on like, not hammered. You've mentioned like six things that I really want to talk to you about. But, you know, I just got to go back to this, UFO thing for one second, okay?

Because I think for my audience, I'm looking off to the side like I'm staring at them. I want you to recall folks that I don't know if we've really ever talked about this on the podcast. I'm trying to rack my brain if we've had a guess come on and talk about it. With the purple spiral, is there any chance it was Northern Lights? Or are you like, no, this was so different than Northern Lights? I don't think so because I have, in the years since, I have found videos of other people seeing very, very similar things. So I eventually did find videos of people.

I think it was in Russia who filmed something. And it's about the size of the moon. It's just like a very contained spiral that is rotating. I can't say I know what it is. Sure. You know, I do not know. I do not know. But it didn't look like that to me.

Then I got to tell you of an experience my wife and I had driving Alberta here. Well, we're actually just into Saskatchewan, coming between Lashburn and Lloyd Minster for the audience member, we're driving towards Lloyd, so heading west, and I'm driving, I don't know why I was looking at the sky, driving at night, and there were these two lights, they just, they almost seem too bright to be stars. I don't know how better to explain it.

They were way up there. Anyways, I was like, what are those? Like, it almost looked like a planet. You know how like, I don't know, is it Venus, or when it hits a certain point, it shines really bright, and you're like, wow, that's a bright star, and then you realize, oh, no, it's a planet, right? And you're like, oh, okay, yeah, sure, yeah.

There was these two side by side. And I'm, like, sitting there, and my wife's going, what does it matter? They're stars or whatever. And I'm like, and I don't know what it is about me, Simon, and probably you and probably others, where you're just staring. Like, what is that, though? Like, it doesn't make sense.

Like, how many times have I been driven this road and seen the sky and never seen that before? Like, is it a satellite? Like, what, but it's not moving. It's stationary. Like, it's not moving. And all sudden, one of them, the best way I can explain it is, like, In maybe, is it Star Trek or Star Wars,

where all of a sudden they just go, but straight ahead and disappear. Almost like they warp. Yes, that's the only way I can explain it. I know I sound a little bit bizarre right now, folks, but it's just like, boom, and it's gone. I'm like, holy crap, one of them just disappeared. My wife's like, what?

I'm like, did you just see that? It's gone. There was two. Look, there was two. And then the second one does it, and both them, bang, bang. And I'm like, dude, please tell me you just saw that.

My wife's like, I don't know. And I'm like, why is it that I am curious? about that and my lovely wife who is like the greatest woman on the planet sitting right beside me is staring at the same bloody thing happening she's like i don't know maybe shooting star and i'm like shooting star how how many anyways so i've never i bring it up because i don't know if i've ever told anyone and this only happened in like six months ago maybe less it was in the middle of winter and i was just like what was that you know what i didn't lose any sleep over it because i'm like at the end of the day it ain't going to do sean any good to lose any sleep but now i got a guy talking

UFOs and I'm like, well, what do you make of that? Yeah, I mean, I've seen a lot. I think one of the things to keep in mind, and this is something I realized from being in that space and researching, you know, in the UFOology space for about a decade, is that there is a lot of highly developed military technology that is classified, that is kept very, very covert, that is likely making up a huge portion of these sightings. That's what seems to be happening. So I think when you're looking at, you know, craft that are moving at impossible speeds, impossible angles,

there is quite a high chance that you're looking at, you know, secret space program kind of materials where, you know, there's been kind of like a covert arms race in terms of technology going on between a lot of these highly developed militaries around the world. And apparently one of the most coveted things is like these high speed, anti-gravity kind of craft. that have been kept in these programs. There's a lot of witness testimony. There's a lot of interesting evidence, you know, alluding to that fact. So I think that's one good place to start is that there's a really high chance that what you're seeing is a human craft.

I think if there are extraterrestrial craft, it's probably a very small percentage. But then again, it would only have to be like one craft for it to be an incredible thing. So, you know, that I think is always an important. thing to recognize. And, you know, I've seen, I've seen a lot of them and I've seen a lot of theories. You know, I've seen lights over Lake Ontario here in Toronto. This is very common sighting, actually. People see these big, bright, hovering orange balls over Lake Ontario.

This is very, very common. Now, in this sort of more conspiracy UFOology space, there's people who believe, based off of testimony from certain ex-military people, that there is. is a deep underground base beneath Lake Ontario that is shared by Canada and America. And it said that this was a base that, you know, potentially during the Cold War that the president might have been ushered to or something like that. But there is continuously sightings. It's funny, actually, I made a 60-minute sketch comedy special called Theorize About Conspiracies. It's one of the things that I developed for Rise TV.

And the special was essentially me going around different areas of Toronto, talking about different sort of conspiratorial history and things that are connected to places in Toronto and then going into sketch comedy and coming out and I'd be in a different place in Toronto. So when it came to the end of the special, I was down by Lake Ontario talking about these orange UFO sightings and some of the theories surrounding that. And as I was shooting the hosting section for that comedy special, a guy had been hanging out nearby. He heard me shooting the special, walked over and said, are you talking about the orange lights over Lake Ontario? You know, I stopped it. I was doing and said yes. He said, I just filmed one the other night from my balcony on Lake Ontario,

and the guy showed it to me, and it is brighter than the moon. So the guy airdropped it to me, and I ended up putting it in a special because it was brand new footage of the exact thing I was talking about. It's amazing. There's just so many things in the world. I don't even begin to understand. When you talk about military technologies, go watch some, you know, some of the things they declassify on, you know, on the Cold War and you're like, holy crap, they had that back then. It's like, what do they have now? I, you know, so like to me, I agree 100% with you. I just, the way the, the way that the two lights disappeared to me, it was like they zoomed off as if they were warping. And I'm like, that was wild. Like, to me, I didn't, you know, do I think aliens right away?

No, I just think like, do we have technology that can warp? Wouldn't that be something? Like, that's, that's something. If people want to go. down a crazy rabbit hole they can look into the testimony of William Tompkins William Tompkins That's right so he worked for the Navy And

He alleged He wrote a whole book about this That he was part of a think tank That was developing craft for Deep Space missions for the Navy And he even has the blueprints Or had the blueprints He included them in his book. He's passed away now

Very, very old guy but really very interesting man. And he, you know, his story is about the fact that he was in this think tank within the sort of the industries that develop weapons and shuttlecraft. You know, he was working within some of these industries, blended with the military and the Navy, developing plans and craft and ideas for deep space missions. And he talks about this as, you know,

something that was being developed decades ago. So maybe what you saw was related to his work. I have no idea, but I'm open to it, certainly. The UFO thing is like, you know, I feel like you could talk about it for a long time. And if people want to go down the William Tompkins rabbit hole, he sounds like an interesting guy. That's the thing that always gets me going. But the reason I really wanted to talk to you is you got a documentary out that we've kind of talked about just glazed over. and I watched it.

It was a tough watch, and it's not the filming or anything. It's the top. We can certainly talk about that, a six-part docu-series on The War and the Family. To me, I'm really, really interested in those topics. And, you know, what leads you to that? And then maybe you can explain to the audience what it's all about. Well, you know, to segue, after being in that euphology space, it was very interesting information,

but I really started to realize I wanted to focus up on material that I could very practically use to be of cert. service. And, you know, I was struggling with that being in that space, even though it was interesting and I felt I was uncovering some things that were important, I wanted to go down, you know, some information paths that were more related to my daily life and what I was experiencing and how I could really translate that into service. And I had known about the war on the family for quite some time. I had been studying that. It had come up in my research of just sort of occulted information and warfare against humanity.

And so I ended up really feeling passionate about that because I had a son, a very young son. I had just become a father and I felt there was a lot of disinformation about fathers. And I was looking at, you know, the way fathers were framed in our culture, the fact that they're looked at as sort of incapable buffoons and they're always in commercials, bumbling, and they're just kind of idiots a lot of the time. And I wanted to undo a lot of that. I didn't want to carry that into fatherhood.

So I started looking into the science of fatherhood and what's really going on when a man becomes a father. And that became very inspiring for me in terms of creating this docuseries about the war on the family. So once I started to look more deeply into what seems to be this aggressive war on the idea of the traditional family unit, I found that there very much are operations

that are targeting the father that are unique to targeting the father. and operations that are targeting the mother and operations that are targeting the children and innocence. And in researching that for my docu-series, what I found as far as what was really targeting the children, was gender ideology. It very much came across to me from my study of warfare,

which has been a topic I've been passionate about for a long, long time. The first series I did actually for Edge of Wonder was about the metaphysics of warfare and the sort of purpose, war has served for humanity spiritually. So I've been studying warfare for a long time. And once I realized gender ideology came across as a warfare operation targeting the kids, I went down that rabbit hole and ended up with way more research than I could include in the docu series and ended up realizing that it was actually in many ways hurting girls more than boys. And that for some reason,

girls were much more susceptible to gender ideology. They were much more likely to take that and to permanently change their bodies. And I ended up in that space. And the more I researched that issue, the more I realized that all of the rhetoric surrounding this debate about medically transitioning minors, especially teenage girls, the more I realized that that debate was hyper politicized in a way that was not helpful and that if I was going to do anything to help with this topic, then I needed to explore this issue from beyond that left-wing, right-wing spectrum because I knew that there were

lots of left-wing people that were against it and that it wasn't true that all left-wing people support it. And I also knew that it wasn't true that the best way to save girls from this is to just become more conservative, politically speaking. I saw that to be kind of a nonsensical thing. I started digging more deeply into what is really going on with girls in the Western world. And what I found was this trend before gender ideology in which there was an exponential increase in girls getting not just breast augmentation, but even more than that, labiaplasties, which is this cosmetic genital surgery. And finding out that more and more minors were getting their labia cut for cosmetic resuscary. reasons before a huge explosion of girls started getting double mastectomies and testosterone injections, I started to realize that there has been this war on femininity and on the female form,

on womanhood that is very broad that has been going on for many generations incrementally, and that the explosion in transgender girls was really just a symptom of this, long-standing war and that there were cultural norms that led to the explosion in minor girls getting cosmetic genital surgery and that those cultural norms had to have played a huge role in allowing the explosion in transgender girls. When you talk about a war, who's the one attacking the family values in your mind? There seems to be, you know, and it's, elite group in the world that are interested in installing a new world, new world order.

So there are some names that we can attribute to this agenda. We can see that Klaus Schwab very much wants to install a new world order. He's spoken about it. He's written about it. He has spoken about the fact that he has trained different leaders around the world and penetrated the cabinets of governments around the world. He cites Justin Trudeau as someone who is an example of that. you know, there are leaders who have openly talked about the New World Order on a number of occasions.

Joe Biden has. George Bush Sr. spoke about it a lot. Bill Clinton brought it up. Even Barack Obama. So we do have people who have been citing a new world order that is being developed on numerous occasions. So you have some of those names. I think you also just have bloodlines.

You have families who have been working on this for many generations. This is one of the interesting things that I found is that the war on the family, as it's stated in certain documents. So one of the documents I focused very strongly on in my docu-series was the work that preceded cut was a series of documents called the Toronto Protocols. Now, this is allegedly two meetings that occurred in Toronto by a group of elite financiers who called themselves the 666. and these are meetings where they are describing their warfare strategy for implementing a new world order. Apparently these meetings occurred in 1967 and then 1985. And they are talking about what they have done and what they are doing and what they are going to do to install a new world order. And they overtly state the fact that we will not be able to install this new world order unless we take down,

the traditional family unit unless we destroy that idea and disrupt the stable family unit so that it does not continue generation to generation. The reason that's so important is because they also say on the flip side that the way they have been able to continue these plans is by maintaining stable family lines of knowledge so that for their families over many generations, a legacy can be continued. So the very thing they're trying to take away from us is the family unit's capacity to generate legacies, to take knowledge and to move it into the future by passing it through the generations. They state that they want to disrupt the family unit so that it can no longer become a container for human knowledge and wisdom and pass that on generation to generation.

And what that means is that when generations are born without stable knowledge and wisdom being passed on from their family, then that generation is at the whims of government, media, and the education systems to orient themselves in the world. And this is stated as a necessary warfare strategy for achieving this new world order. When you talk about breaking up the family units, is that because family units are, I mean, a strong unit and they don't rely on somebody else to give them direction. They very much are a cohesive group of people. And I think that we build up strong families, you know, you build up a strong community, etc. So when you take a step back from it, I feel like it's right of the communism playbook

where you destroy the family unit so that you rely on the government. Is that theory then? Yes, so I definitely do see lots of communist warfare all around us, and this is pretty easy to track. There are a lot of ways you could look at this to see the communist warfare going on. Yes, it is stated in the communist warfare. Communist Manifesto that the family unit is a form of oppression that needs to be done away with. So Karl Marx very openly talked about this in the Communist Manifesto.

This is something that is known to have gone on with communism in the Soviet, Russia and all of that, that whole history. Turning children against parents was very much a communist tactic. If we go back to the Toronto Protocols, one of their meetings was called, it was entitled The Red Wave. And they called it this in reference to the massive installation of communist ideals they planned on bringing into the West to further these plans for the New World Order. So they see communism as an effective tool to achieve their goals. And, you know, if people who go and actually watch cut, if you rent or purchase cut, one of the bonus features of doing that is you get access to a second film.

that I wrote, a friend of mine edited named Adam Riva, and it's called Vague Rules. And Vague Rules is a short film about 35 minutes that shows people, communist warfare that is being waged in the West, and it connects what is going on here in the West to the history of communist China. And it shows the ways in which communists have traditionally used vague rules and vague laws to create specific social conditions to alter human behavior. and in vague rules, I tie that communist tactic to the implementation of critical race theory, gender ideology, and the response to COVID.

And I show the ways in which this particular communist tactic was used in all three of those situations to give people a sense of this sort of tapestry of communist warfare that is woven throughout what's been going on in North America over the past decade, maybe a couple decades even. You know, when you rattle off all that, you go, if you're, If you're not paying attention, that's like a hard, that's like a, like you're jumping like, I don't know, the Grand Canyon, you know, you're like, how do you make that jump to assume everything you just said is bingo? But if you got your eyes open, you just kind of go, uh-huh, uh-huh. When you, uh, when you look at the film you did on cut, and you just bring it into one issue and following the trend on how girls are being very much impacted, targeted.

have you found what's the feedback been like, you know, to try and get to new audiences and expose them to some of the things you're seeing? People were really shocked about the cosmetic surgery trends. And, you know, it was very eye-opening because I think while a lot of people are very passionate about this issue of how gender ideology is impacting youth, I think a lot of people were caught up in this sort of myopic, you know, tunnel vision debate about, you know, a left-wing ideology harming all our kids. And once people saw some of the research that I brought into this film that brought it into this broader perspective and showed them, wait a minute, there are cultural norms that were installed a generation or two ago that it looks like they have been fueled to the fire

of gender ideology. You know, the response has been good because it's helped people expand their awareness of what we're really up against and what we need to be paying attention to. You know, it has connected me with people on both sides of the political spectrum. You know, I've had women who are more feminist

in their orientation, you know, despite the fact that a lot of feminism has been infiltrated, I think, to be weaponized, frankly, against all of us, but against women, very much. But I have had some connections on the left that have been very interesting. You know, there's a woman that I got connected with on Twitter. Someone put the trailer for my film in one of her comments sections and I ended up

checking out her work. And she actually has been fighting against this labioplasty craze for a couple decades now because she was medically injured by a labiaplasty when she was a teenager. And she has been working hard to expose all of the disinformation essentially about women's anatomy that is leading to this, that it's not just a matter of cultural forces. So it's not just porn and it's not just trends in women's body imagery and things like this that are leading to girls changing their bodies with these permanent modifications. It's also medical disinformation. And this is some of what's in my film too, that they're telling girls and women that they have what's called labia manora hypertrophy. And they're essentially saying you have

deformed, oversized labia and you need them cut up anyways. They're saying this to girls. So even after the girls go through the experience of seeing something on TikTok, let's say, like literally an ad for labiaplasty or a meme that shames a particular kind of looking labia, this is something that girls see as well. They then go to the medical community and they find all this disinformation saying things like 50 to 60 percent of women have labia menorah hypertrophy. So it was interesting connecting to Jessica Pins' work

because she has been fighting against this, but very much from a left-wing feminist perspective. She's been embraced by the sort of left-wing media. She's been on the daily show, and I think she got covered by the New York Times. So you can see now by bringing this broader picture into it, how there's now an invitation for both left-wing and right-wing people to get into this dialogue in terms of what is really happening to our daughters here,

what is happening to the girls, the daughters of the West, Is it really a political issue or do we need to throw that out and try to protect children without that polarization? Yeah, it's interesting what you're talking about. You know, and I just bring it back to like, what can I do? And it comes back to protecting your family unit, I think, right? Like, how do girls get sucked into some of this? I mean, some of, you know, like you talk about social media and the pressures of body imagery and different things like that. Porn's a huge one. I mean like literally it's on every device we have and you go as a as a family unit

You're going to have to have your eyes open at all times Moving forward in this interesting time we live in because of the ability to just access all this different stuff That you know kids are going to soak up and think is like Legit real-world things right and as long as you have a healthy family unit. I feel like you can navigate some of these rough waters. Maybe I'm wrong on that a little bit. No, I honestly think having a strong family unit is a kind of warfare at this point. I mean, it is that important. And I say that after having researched the war on the family for so long and research this effort to install a new world order, it is central to what

they're doing that the family unit falls. And so one of the ways to fight back is to have a stable family unit. But I think that is starting to look differently. It's not necessarily about a return to the past, but a return to traditions. Even though we are trying to protect some older notions of a traditional family unit, there were also new ways we need to go about it. So I think a lot of the times, you know, that you can look to in the past when the family was more uplifted, you know, sometimes through religion, let's say. There were times when religion was used to oppress the individuality of the child when they were, you know, pressured into group think and pressured into thinking dogmatically.

And so while religion sometimes was the container for the ideal of the family unit, I think sometimes it really stopped the development of free-thinking children. And so moving forward, while we want to protect the family unit, I think one of the things we want to focus on doing is having families that really honor the unique nature of the individual child and see that individual child for exactly who they are without enforcing upon them any kind of dogma that obscures who that child is. So, you know, we're an unschooling family and we're very much all about that, letting the uniqueness of our children guide their education. So it's about who they are. And that informs

how we guide and support them rather than taking a system, you know, a series of theories or a curricula and imposing it upon that child. And so in developing a stable family unit, I think parents have this chance to progress things towards honoring the unique child more than we have in the past so that they are capable of navigating the war that we live in. Because we live in a very sophisticated modern war. We live in what is called fifth generation warfare. This is a modern kind of warfare that is designed specifically so that number one, groups and people are attacked in a way that they, cannot see the attack. And so they don't know they're being attacked. And so number two, they don't really know they're in a war. And number three, they don't understand that they can

become a weapon according to this sophisticated, sophisticated kind of warfare. So we need to be producing children that are free thinking enough and sovereign enough that they can navigate a war that is not going to go away. We are not living in a war that is going to end anytime soon. it is going to continue, you know, for a long time, in my opinion. So this family unit that I think we are evolving towards, it has to be about producing children that are capable of thriving in the specific conditions that we are now living in in the modern world. Yeah, it's, you know, in the middle of COVID, I'd always said, you know,

and I always joked about the Chinese, but, like, what would wake everybody up is tanks rolling down the street? because it's just you see it. It's such a visible, here it is. When it's this fifth generation warfare that you, you, you know, you discuss, it's like death by more than a thousand cuts because it's so imperceptible, you know, when you even start talking about it, if you don't know what, you know, if you got a person that's, I don't know, what's the word, they haven't been exposed to it, I guess, like to see it from what it is.

Yeah. They literally think you're talking a different language, you know, like, no, there's not that in there. You're going a little crazy. You know, you're one of those conspiracy nuts. It's like, no, I don't think so at all. Actually, I'm telling you, like, you know, I literally just gave a presentation there yesterday. And a few of the things I was talking about was the family unit and just like how impressed Jordan Peterson I was with Jordan Peterson on stage in Emmington. Because he had his wife asking him questions.

He danced on stage with her. And I'm like, what other leaders do we have that are showing what healthy, and they talked about their struggles and different things? I'm like, what other leader do we have in Canada that, like, actually shows you what healthy marriage looks like, even though, you know, at times it is difficult and you have your rocky patches? And anyways, I gave this talk about how, you know, like, somehow I've become a little bit of like an outsider because I'm, I'm bullheaded on the family unit. It's like, you need to protect that at all costs. There's a fun life if you lose that. No, it's everything. Yeah, it's going to be a rough ride.

And, you know, and it's funny. I see a lot of religion, specifically the Bible in my area and probably Western civilization, really coming to forefront because people, myself included, are just like looking at it. It's like everything you thought you believed in doesn't seem to be like it's holding any weight. You've just been, you know, hit by a tsunami wave of everything. And the only thing that seems to hold any truth, you know, is the New Testament in my eyes right now. That's what I'm reading. And it's like, this seems like something, I don't know, civilization might set its foundation on.

Oh, wait, we did that? Oh, okay. And, you know, and yet that's become, they've attacked that as you, well, you're going, you're becoming one of those extreme people. It's like, not really. I think what I stand for and what we're talking about is probably something everybody would really like. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's funny. Like, people, they struggle with, I guess there's two sides of it.

People struggle with the religious nature of what's going on to the extent that religion was used for so much harm, right? Like a lot of people who are very much, they'll immediately, they'll be like, well, what about all the priests that have used the children? and what about like all these forms of corruption that infiltrated the church and all these things? And so there's that aspect of it that I think pushed a lot of people away and made a lot of people skeptical. But we do need systems of meaning and spiritual guidance that uphold ideals. And this is like so much of what we are struggling with is about ideals. And the ideal of the family unit is probably the best example.

And I think one of the ways that everything has been twisted is that, A lot of the propaganda coming from these social justice movements, gender ideology, critical race theory, they take the concept of an ideal, specifically, let's say the ideal of the family in it, and they say that this ideal is being used for judgment and to be exclusionary. And it casts anyone out who doesn't fit into that ideal. And so we need to destroy this ideal to be more inclusive. And this is a very, it's a very surreptitious trick, in my opinion, because ideals were never really forms of judgment and exclusion in the way that they are framing it. When you think about what an ideal is, it is a form of sort of perfection, right? It's a form of like metaphysical perfection. It's a level of perfection that is not attainable, right?

That's the whole point of it. It is a form of perfection that is meant to guide us like a compass. Okay. So it's silly to say that ideals are used to just exclude people because technically everyone is excluded by ideals because no one ever achieves the ideal. That is the point. So anyone could measure their family unit up against an ideal and say, oh, I'm not quite achieving that ideal. But that doesn't mean that it's excluding you. it's simply a system for guiding the collective.

And that's why the ideal of the family unit, of this traditional family unit, is important. It is a beacon, a guiding light for a civilization. And Christianity was the container for that ideal throughout so much of our history. And so there's that element of it where it has to be understood that it played that very important role

protecting this ideal of the family unit. that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have or that we haven't always had people that stray from ideals and purposefully go against an ideal to experiment because humanity needs that as well. We do need to always have a small group of the population experimenting way outside of ideals and seeing what happens. That I think is totally natural. But I think we need to reframe our thinking on what the purpose of an ideal is. And as these large systems of centralized cultural production collapse, so these mainstream media

systems that are collapsing and a decentralized system of media is coming up, right? Like this show and all the other like podcast people are starting and this sort of decentralization of cultural production is occurring, we need to respect what it means to start to build ideals that are meaningful and that will guide us accordingly. And I think the other aspect to this in terms of like religion is that even if someone is looking into all of this and they are not coming from a Christian perspective, it's still a fact of the matter that we are dealing with people who are some people who are devoutly satanic. There just is. There is a group that seems to be passionately satanic who wants to use satanic ideals to. to guide our culture very, very much.

And so people need to, I think, sometimes step back from being triggered, either in being like everyone has to be Christian or being like, Christianity is corrupt. And I don't need that. Like we need people who are currently practicing Christians and people who are not to come together to recognize that it's one enemy either way. And whether or not you're coming from that place, understanding the satanity. element to this, for me, it's very edifying. It helped me comprehend, even just from a very practical

warfare perspective, what was going on, because then I could start to see, oh, I see the cultural ideals that they're building to replace what would really serve us. And, you know, to me, I think that's important for people to understand that that just exists, whether you believe what these Satanists believe or not. when you talk about them trying to construct their ideals or you know the satanic ideals into society and that people need to understand that can you just well i don't know help me understand that just give me some more information on what you or expand on your thought i guess simon so there is there's the notion of inversion okay this is a very important concept inverting god's creation is a very, I guess, commonly understood satanic concept.

The idea, the essential idea that the natural design of things needs to be inverted as an affront to God, right? So, frankly, you can see a lot of this in the push to change children's bodies to the opposite sex, right? So sex changes of children is what we're looking at now. This is one of the battles that we're in, right? That there are children who need to have their sex changed. There is a reason why that symbolically connects to, for example, the image of Baphomet, right? This is the goat-headed being that has breasts. You have a lot of themes going on in our culture that are about this kind of inversion.

Now, at the same time, you also do. just have overt Satanism being pushed on people, on children. So, you know, there's a number of good examples of this. The recent scandal with Balenciaga, right? You had Balenciaga promoting the exploitation, the sexual exploitation of children. At the same time, you know, one of their campaigns had this caution tape where they changed the spelling of Balenciaga to have two A's so that it's ball. And ball is a reference to the Canaanite God of child sacrifice. Definitely something that can be connected to satanic ideology. You have Little Nas X. Okay. So Little Nas X, huge pop star who makes music initially that is being promoted to children. And literally he's going to events and he's doing his

song for children and he's reading to children. So you know he gathers this following of children. So you know that children are following Little Nas X. And then all of a sudden, he comes out with a video, a graphic video, where he is descending into hell and giving Satan a lap dance, then puts out a line of shoes that are satanic that are alleged to have a drop of real human blood in them. So what happens to all those children who were following Little Nas X when all of a sudden he's producing? extreme satanic propaganda, how does that affect their worldview? How does that affect their ability to navigate culture? What kind of ideals does that give to them? You know, these kinds of messaging, this kind of satanic messaging is right there. It's right there in your face. Balenciaga was a huge event, and I noticed a lot of pundits who previously had said the idea of any

kind of satanic, occulted agenda was silly, finally saying, oh my gosh, this is one of the biggest fashion brands in the world. And they actually are promoting pedophilia and Satanism in their campaigns and having to just confront that reality. Why? Why would these brands, these big brands and all these big mainstream sources be promoting satanic ideals and investing so much money into promoting that at the same time as we have what seems to be an overt war on the family. And I'll even say that in these Toronto protocols, they state that it is the concept of the Judeo-Christian family that we need to deconstruct. These are their words.

So, you know, I think we need to be careful because people can get really riled up. They can get very, very emotional when it comes to like satanic, pedophilia, like those words put together, it very much triggers people into either, either they're passionate about it and they become overly emotional in trying to explain to people what may be going on, or people are triggered against it and they say this is nonsense, satanic panic, these theories have all been debunked. We have to have a very calm, collected state of being to be able to go through this information and discuss it because in fifth generation,

warfare, you know, this is something that is pretty well understood now. If you go and read, for example, there's a book called The Citizens Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare that was produced by General Michael Flynn and Boone Cutler. And one of the things they talk about is the ways in which emotionality avails us to the enemy, and that emotionality avails us to psychological operations. And if you are using your emotions to navigate what is going on in this war, then you will not be able to navigate it correctly and you will be more likely to be controlled. So the way I look at it is when you look at things like satanic agendas and those things

that are very charged, you have to be able to wait for your emotional waves to subside before you decide, you know, how you're going to proceed and what you feel might be going on. We have to have a certain amount of mindfulness to navigate this material because it's very charged. Yeah, it's, you know, you bring up a couple things that, you know, in passing you go, like, that's just really strange, you know? But it's kind of like the shooting star, or the two stars in the sky, if you would, right? You see it?

And you go, like, how much does it impact my daily life? You know? It doesn't seem like that much. But over time, it feels like more and more we're being confronted with it, doesn't it? You know, there's an interview with Yuri Besmanoff. It's a 1984 interview, right? This is probably one of the best descriptions.

of what's going on. He talked about this very overtly, that there's going to be this incremental kind of warfare where communist tactics are going to be made up of an incremental kind of warfare that moves slowly generation by generation and that the goal is to make it so that by the third generation, there have been people, it has produced people who are so ideologically subverted that they cannot think critically. They don't have free thought. They are unable to see logic and facts because of this slow generation-by-generation ideological subversion. That is one of the things we all need to be aware of. It's a big focus of my work because we have to think generationally.

This is another big reason why the family is so important. The family unit is the means by which we get information to the future, uncorrupted information. You can no longer rely on systems of information in terms of information. of technology at this point that is not the best way to get information to future generations the best way is to pass it on through the family to use the family's capacity to gather knowledge right do you think you're that thought right there i've wondered if the um lack i i i'm just going to say the elites of the world have known that for some time and have been really really good at it whereas you know, so many of us that, you know, like just, I think of my own heritage, they came across,

you know, they left England, came to Canada, and, you know, we've been here now for 100 years, 100 plus years, and certainly, you know, there's some things distilled, but if we'd all been, lack of better term, politicians, lawyers, doctors, or something, maybe it would have been distilled, but, you know, instead of all staying farmers, we've all broken. into different, you know, like I don't have any predecessors who are podcasters. Not many of us do, obviously. But if I, if I, my son will be better equipped if he stayed in this realm and then his son again and again because you'd start to learn these lessons and you could pass them down.

I've always wondered if the elites have been very good at this. They state this overtly in the Toronto Protocols. It's one of the reasons I was so passionate about studying the war on the family. It really seems like what they are taking from us is what they kept for themselves. So they state that they have been working on this for hundreds of years and that they are very much capable of passing a mission on from generation to generation so that the next generation takes these steps and this generation takes these steps so that they are able to have this covert kind of warfare that is unseen by most of the public

was thinking within, you know, political cycles at best, four-year terms, right? At best. And so because the public is thinking in those terms and not thinking generations behind and generations ahead, as these elites are, then we are blind to what they are doing. And so one of the correct ways to go back at them, to fight back, is to begin to think this way. So not only are you thinking of your children now, what you want to pass on to your children, what information are you trying to get into the future to that seventh generation, right?

What legacy of knowledge, of wisdom, are you hoping you can get as far into the human future as possible? So what information do you, Simon, want to get into the seventh? I mean, I want to promote a legacy of free thought that if I can, if I can pass, on this capacity for free thinking so that they can be sovereign and use that free thought to develop an inner authority that guides them so that they know how to make decisions that are correct for them, you know, uniquely. It doesn't mean that their system of inner authority is the same as mine, but it's the ability to be free thinking enough and to have the knowledge of self that works with your capacity for free thought, that you become a sovereign being. And I believe if a family

can generate a legacy of free thinking and personal sovereignty over many generations, there is a form of intelligence that will escalate, that will exponentially grow within that family line. And those generations will be able to thrive as the conditions of our world continue to shift. And there's a lot of chaos on the horizon that is going to be difficult to navigate. So mine is a legacy of free thought, a legacy of inner authority and personal sovereignty. And, you know, I seek to pass that on to my children. I have an eight-year-old son who I very much talk to about the war we're in, that there is a war that is very mental. And how does it, and how does it, how does an eight-year-old respond to that? It's interesting to him because he understands that

there are attempts to get at his mind, to control his mind. And it's not a scary thing. You know, I, I work in a space of comedy, right? So a lot of what I've shown my kids has been making comedy about what's going on. I had my 60-minute comedy special theorized about conspiracies, but then after that, I made this six-episode sci-fi sketch comedy series called Simon Esler's dystopian imaginarium. And it was a comedy series where I was trapped in a deep underground military base with a gender-neutral AI named Pamuel. And me and Pamuel were tumbling different timelines and finding out what's going on in this timeline compared to the original timeline. And this was all during COVID.

And so my sons saw me make all these ridiculous characters and all these sort of exaggerated versions of what was going on in the world and laugh at it and stay open and free thinking about that and stay lighthearted about it so that it wasn't about a scary war that's coming for us. It was more about just situational awareness, understanding where and when you live in history so that you can live accordingly. And that is the most beautiful thing about studying and understanding modern warfare is that it fills you with purpose. It gives you a very clear sense of how you can be of service and how to develop yourself. That's very much how I ended up focusing on the war in the family and then subsequently making a film about protecting the daughters of the West because I see the warfare that is going on and I respond to it accordingly. I let it inform my point of service to humanity. So, you know, that's been very uplifting for me.

You know, you mentioned you were writing a book, Rites of Passage for Kids. As a father of three, I find that very, very interesting. Care to share some thoughts from it, like what you're trying to accomplish or maybe, you know, as a father sitting on this side, some of the things you could just share with me that, you know, you've been thinking about and writing about. So I'll start with the fact that I'm certified as what's called a life cycle celebrant. A life cycle celebrant. That's right, yes. So you can look up the Celebrant Foundation and Institute.

It's a school that I attended. And I studied the history and art of ritual and ceremony creation and what role that has played throughout human history. And so I became certified in the art of custom ceremony creation. And so it's something that I'm very passionate about and very knowledgeable about. And because I had that understanding, you know, I was able to see, number one, areas in our society where ritual and ceremony are very much lacking. But number two, seeing areas where ceremony and ritual may still be going on, but have lost meaning, have become kind of hollow and repetitive and sort of doing them for their own sake. You know, I worked as a minister for many years. I was ordained as a minister here in Ontario, and I was doing custom wedding ceremonies.

And they were very, very customized. So I would get the couple to fill out a questionnaire that gave me their story and very much about who they were as individuals and then who they were when they came together and the story of their relationship developing. And I would take their answers what each member of that couple had written. and that I would use their answers to develop a totally unique custom wedding ceremony that was born out of their story and their relationship. And every time I did it, people's minds would be blown because they were so ready for a wedding ceremony to be boring and repetitive, just shitty. You know, like people's expectations are so low. So when they experienced a ceremony that was filled with actual meaningful rituals that reflected their friends correctly, and their story and told their story, people were so elated and uplifted.

And so I learned a lot in doing that. And in studying specifically, rites of passage, because that's what a wedding ceremony is. It is a rite of passage. Now, rights of passage are ancient. Humans have always used some form of right of passage, right? This is all throughout human history. And so we have basic elements to the right. right of passage that we know are always there. The right of passage essentially always uses the

hero's journey archetype. So you have this archetype of, you know, something strange is going on in the familiar world or you're pulled out of your familiar world into a new place and then you move into this new and strange place that starts to change you and you start to feel like you need to change and there's the opportunity to transform yourself. And you take on a new, a new, new form based on your experiences in this very new place. And then you take that new status and that new knowledge and you bring it back to the world of the familiar and you share with your community and your family what you've gathered in that space of the unknown of the new.

That is the essential structure of a rite of passage ceremony. And so I'll point something out that was very clarifying for me in doing this research for cut, is that you have an adolescent girl and she's struggling, you know, with the pain of female adolescents. It's very difficult, right? Their bodies are changing. They're coming into the magnitude of continuing the human species, of being the matrix for the human species, of fertility and the ability to bear children. They are coming into becoming objects of sexual desire and cultural symbols of sexuality. There is a lot there for them to navigate. So you have these adolescent girls who are struggling with this. And

they are pulled into this new space, right? They're pulled into this very unknown space. It's no longer the familiarity of childhood. And they're in this instability and they're not feeling supported. And some of them are looking at our cultural views on women and femininity and feminist freedom. And a lot of that is being promoted as this hypersexual way of living and being. And so they're looking at and they're saying, that doesn't feel right. And you know, there's a lot out there that's saying, you don't need to be a mother. There's nothing really that great about motherhood. You could just be free and go and build your career. And so there's a lot of messaging going on that's very strange for them. So some of these girls decide to reject the ideals of womanhood that they're given. And it is at

this time that they are offered gender ideology. And they're told, hey, you really don't, you don't feel like you're a woman, do you? You don't feel like you want to go down that path? I think that might mean that you're actually a boy inside, that you really want to become a man. And so they are given, when they're in this space, they are given rituals, right? They are given very meaningful rituals. They are given a new name. They are given new pronouns. They are given a chance to actually physically change their form, right?

They can get the double mastectomy or the puberty blockers or the testosterone injections. They change their form. They take on this new form and then they come back into their community. And what happens, especially in social media, is all these, their gender ideologue, friends are all like, you're so beautiful, you're so brave, you did it. This is the new you. They have their new status. All of that, that transition that's going on with gender ideology, it mimics a right of passage to a T. So of course, it is impactful for these girls at this time in their lives when they need it. So this is informing what I'm doing with this book. I am developing a book

that uses the hero's journey structure to help parents build rights of passage for their children that can give them these psychological and cultural containers that I know they need because I really truly believe that's one of the reasons gender ideology took off is because there is an absence of that. Is it meaningful rights of passage being given to our youth so they can understand what it really means to move towards adulthood? Well, I don't have to even look at kids. To me, first, it makes sense.

It makes complete sense. But you look at adults, like, we're devoid of purpose, meaning. like we found it in a whole bunch of different things and I you know I come back to what I said early on like the Bible just holds a lot of it there it you know it really clears up a whole bunch of things for you but you got to read it you got to look into it you know and uh not to say that I have all the answers folks we all know I do not um but like you know we're we're a society that has kind of you know you think you're you've got everything by the tail and then you kind of realize your Wiley Coyote running off the cliff and you're just kind of sitting there going,

oh, crap, right? We got a hard fall coming. And that's a real big, you know, we need meaning in our lives. And when you realize, you know, whatever point in time in your life that, you know, you're like, oh, crap, like, what am I doing? You know, that's a very uncomfortable feeling, honestly. Yeah, yeah. There is a lack of this, I think, not just for kids. You're right. adults as well. I know that I wasn't giving any meaningful rights of passage growing up. I'm sure that's something that would have helped me immensely. But I think generally there is an absence of ceremony and ritual in our lives. Again, I think part of that is this reaction that people had to the corruption of religion. So a lot of people that turned away from religion,

they then also ditched all ceremony and all ritual. Yeah. And that is a huge, huge mistake oh it's no it's not a huge law it's a huge mistake right when you come back to religion and you talk about you talk about like oh but look at like we just talked about this there was just a headline in France how they're going to give all the the the pre-s there 16,000 of them QR codes okay so that they can they can monitor them and so you can scan them and see how bad they've been because they've been really bad and they've been because there's been three hundred and thirty thousand children over 70 years molest

by priests and I go why would you give him a cure out code why wouldn't you boot them out like just no more make it black and wine anyways side note people go well there's nothing there for me anymore it's just a bunch of grown men molesting kids it's like no human beings have fucked it up a hundred percent but what is the meaning of what has been the foundation of societies it's like there's a lot there folks and we can't just walk away from it all we can't certainly walk away from the pedophile priest yeah I get it like but there's meaning in the book that is there and it has created or at least has been the foundation for what we are standing upon here

and so precariously like honestly I don't know when you when you when you come all the way back to the satanic stuff which is like hard for me and wrap my head around except it's like if I take a step back and just look both ways you kind of see what's going on and you you kind of break down what's going on with kids in the transgenderism and the pronouns and the sex changes and how we're talking about mature minors and how you can take things that are going to like we are going insane it is upside down it is the inverted yeah absolutely and i think you know we have a chance right now to let all of this inform us very deeply as i said earlier you know to really study this war means to refine your capacity to be of service you know that's what we have to our advantage

And when I talk about the promotion of free thought, you know, I think it's important to define that a little more clearly. Sure. Free thought, the best definition I found is the capacity to produce thoughts using logic, reason, and empiricism. And so I'll just focus there a moment on empiricism because empiricism is the philosophy that the truth is most clearly accessed through the body, through experiencing things in your physical life with your physical vehicle. as opposed to, you know, truth that can be uncovered through the mind, right? So I'll just emphasize that this capacity to produce thoughts using logic, reason, and empiricism without the influence of dogma, authority, and tradition.

Apologies. My phone beeped at me, and it changed my brain from listening to you for just one quick second. And I missed, I feel like a really interesting point, or thought you were having. You said we think we experience something through the body. What were you talking about? Okay. So it's the idea that truth is accessed through the body primarily, that our senses and our experiences, our embodied experience of life is our most direct way of accessing truth.

That's really what empiricism means. So it's at the heart of free thought, right? There's a certain amount of embodiment that is necessary for free thinking. So this capacity to understand reality and the self using logic, reason, and empiricism without relying on dogma, authority, and tradition. And it is in that space that we are producing free thoughts. Now, it doesn't mean we never use dogma or authority or tradition. It doesn't mean those are irrelevant tools in our lives, but we have to be able to produce thoughts and to experience truth outside of those influences to be able to. to think freely. Now, this is important, I think, you know, as you stated earlier,

there are a lot of people who are turning towards the Bible or who are coming back to this Christian perspective. And I think what, there's a new opportunity here, because it's the ability to combine the study of something like Christianity with free thought and the ability to be a free thinking Christian or a free thinking Jewish person. Whatever someone is following, there has to be this inclusion of free thought. The reason I emphasize the, empiricism peace so strongly is because there is so much going on in our world and in this fifth generation war that is about disembodying us. So all the screen time, right, all the technology, the social media, I believe that social media is in and of itself a kind of disembodiment ritual

because it is perpetually taking you outside of yourself. It is constantly getting you to be motivated by extrinsic forces, right, trying to get likes on this platform, trying to get shares, trying to get comments. This is a form of disembodying us, of taking us into this instead of in the body itself. But then you add to that in terms of the struggle that teenagers, especially teenage girls are having, the fact that gender ideology is this kind of disembodiment ritual.

As I said earlier, it mimics this right of passage that is very much about disembodying the girls, taking them away from their sense of their body and saying that, you can cut your body up, it doesn't matter. Your body can be changed. You're someone else inside. This is why the empiricism piece is so important because there has to be aspects of our life where we are staying embodied, where we are literally making sure that we are in our bodies, that our nervous systems are regulated,

that we are not being pulled outside of ourselves. You know, I notice sometimes when my kids play too much video games, you know, if my son's been on video games or screen time for too long, one of the things I'll do is I'll like squeeze him really, really, really hard and like really activate his nervous system and really stimulate him in his body. and like re-embody him because I know that this is what screens do and what this kind of technology does because it does it to me. So, you know, that to me is at the heart of free thought. So I think if we're fighting for anything, free thought is one of the clearest things we can be fighting for because that is something that can connect all of us across different religions and belief systems.

It's something that's very clear and accessible. And so it's why earlier I was saying that this is, you know, part of the legacy I want to pass on into the future of my bloodline. You know, man, this has been, you never, like, you know, we've had a couple, like, I'm just tired of technical difficulties. The audience will get it. They, you know, certainly, you know, if I could put into the stratosphere of what I would like, what I would like is to have a studio set up where everybody, you know, the initial thought, Simon, was I was never going to do a podcast, not in person. and then COVID hit and you had a real choice to make. It was like, well, do you want to keep the podcast going?

And certainly it's opened up the ability to have people like Simon Esler on, right? That to me. But, you know, in theory, if I could ever get this sucker to the point where I could just fly Simon Esler in it, right? And sit across and have this discussion. I'm like, this is, once again, I'm going to have to go back and edit some of this because we've had, you know, whatever it is with Sean's internet. We're going to find out. I tell you what, John's getting off here, and he's going to be making a phone call to the old internet company saying, what the heck? You know, it's funny.

You pay all this money, and then it doesn't want to work for you. It's like, excuse me, anyways. But as I listen, I'm going to have to go back and listen to this, because this has been really, you know, this is the beauty of a podcast. I get to sit down with anywhere between three to five people each week that's got their own perspective. And half the time I've never met them before. And certainly, me and you don't know each other from a whole wall. after an hour and a bit, you know, you kind of get a feel for one another. But it's like, this has been very thought-provoking.

And I'm starting to run into more and more people who are, I don't know how old you are, but, you know, relatively similar age who place a high value on the family unit is becoming something that I'm running into more and more and more, which I find very intriguing. And I just think that needs to be pushed into the strength. stratosphere more than anything, right? That this idea isn't, you know, this inclusive jargon that just seems to go on and on and on. It's like, no, how about we just set some boundaries here? And we need the family unit to survive, like immediately.

And it needs to get pushed to the forefront immediately. And, well, I just appreciate you hopping on and doing this because I didn't know what I was getting this morning. And certainly we've got on the whole gambit, haven't we? UFOs all the way to rights of passages just for kids and everything else. You know, it's, I was thinking in my head, you would not be a dull guy at a cocktail party, you know, you could sit there and just have a sassaparilla and it would be an interesting, interesting conversation any which way you wanted to go. I have had a very winding path. I've had so many, such a range of experiences that it's, it has informed my, yeah, my ability to converse across a lot of subjects because I think, you know, there's a book I read called Range. and it's a book about the fact that human beings are more intelligent when they lead these very winding lives and have a range of experience and a range of educational influences.

And this book is antithetical to the idea of the career track mentality where like you go to the right school, then you get on that career track and you go all the way to the top. And he was very much pushing back against this idea. And I just, I loved that book so much because it really helped me appreciate the very, winding life path that I've led and how beneficial that has been for me. And on the flip side, it's helped me really understand that there is the opposite. There are people who have, they have gone down such narrow life paths that they are entrenched. Their thinking is entrenched.

They're a little bit trapped. There's actually a phenomenon called cognitive entrenchment. And this is something that occurs when people become so hyper-specialized in a particular field of thinking and knowledge that they actually start to lose intelligence and struggle to think outside of their field. And so I think, you know, we all need to focus on trying to broaden the range of experiences and sources that inform us. And I, you know, I work very hard to try to keep that going in my life because it's so,

it's just so expansive and so freeing. And fun, you know, like honestly, one of the things, you know, short little quick story on the podcast, I haven't talked about this for a while, but when I was first deciding on a name for it, you know, like, One of the ones that I remember was grassroots hockey. This will make, you know, played hockey all my life. And for the first almost 200 episodes, all I talked to was pretty much NHL hockey players or, you know, kind of the sports athlete kind of background story. And then COVID hit and certainly we've had our turn.

And now it's led me to Simon Esler. That's basically how, you know, the story goes. But like the amount of fun that comes from talking to different people, especially, When you agree on things, it's unreal. But even if you disagree on things, it's always interesting to see how their brain works. And if you can just pull your emotion out of it just for a little bit and just be like, curious to see how they're viewing things. It doesn't limit your knowledge base.

It actually expands it. And I would say one of the biggest fears of social media that I even have is I'm surrounded by a bunch of people that think like me. And the algorithm wants it that way because then you interact with it more. And we know this and I know this and I hate it. I mean, I love it and I hate it. You know, it's like, I know what you're doing. I see it. I'm turning you off now.

I'm going to move on because like what a contraption. It's a conundrum because, you know, speak to your movie, you know. You want to get it out there. You need social media presence to push it because that's the, you know, the easiest way to expand your reach in the world. and yet the danger of doing that is you lose yourself somewhere in there or you narrow your field of thinking so much to the people that just surround you. Yeah, it very much is like that phenomenon of cognitive entrenchment that social media is definitely designed to entrench us within these echo chambers

and you have to be very, very aware of that. And I think one of the sneakiest things that it does is it causes us to feel like we're making an impact in this war when we're actually just a whole bunch of people agreeing with each other. we're not actually making a real world impact. I think, you know, in fifth generation warfare, they talk about dominating your physical domain. That because so much of this war requires the digital domain, there's so much disinformation, there's so many psychological operations,

you know, there's so much going on that relies on the manipulation of the online space and the digital domain that to dominate your physical domain, that is your family, your community, to be in person with people, to be building relationships and networks and things that don't rely on the internet at all, is one of the ways to cut through this warfare because you cannot be manipulated by a lot of these campaigns when you're just in a room talking to someone. You don't have this device and this series of algorithms

and all this disinformation between you. It's you and another person in a space. And we've come to the point in this war where you have to find a way to dominate your physical domain so that you are free of as many of those influences as possible. And, you know, that's, I think, a big thing for people to understand, you know, recognize that you're definitely in an echo chamber because it's designed for that. And it has its uses because networking is great, but you have to try to find a way to break out of that. And it's probably going to be uncomfortable. It's not going to be as comfortable as everyone

liking what you're saying. No kidding. Well, here, as we wrap up, I'll give you the final question, brought to you by Crudemaster. If you're going to stand behind a cause, stand behind it absolutely. What's one thing Simon stands behind? Definitely the family, the family, the idea of the family. I mean, we've been talking about it right here this whole time. I think standing up for the family, specifically protecting the state of our culture

and the stability the family offers as far as children go and innocence. And I'll say this is especially important. important for people who do not have kids to understand that we have to protect innocence and we have to protect children. And so there needs to be participation from everyone in protecting this. You know, it shouldn't just be, you know, I don't, I have two sons. I don't have a daughter, but I made a film called Daughters of the West because I damn well saw what was going on and it was correct in my, you know, my sense of the world and what was going on to stand up for the daughters of the West. If only people who have daughters are going to stand up for daughters,

were screwed. If only people that have kids, stand up for the kids, are screwed. So stand up for the family. Stand up for the children, regardless of who you are and where you're at in your life, because it's about the generations to come. Well, I appreciate you, you hop it on, giving me some time this morning, dealing with a couple of technical errors as we seem to, you know, I don't need to point it out six times, but it just seems to, you know, it's always interesting when things go, smoothly or when they want to, you know, buck the trend. But either way, I appreciate you hopping on, Simon. I promise this will not be the last time we chat because I've really enjoyed

the hour and change and talking about some different things that are near and dear to my heart. Yeah, thank you for having me on. And I think if, you know, if people want to check out my film, I'd love to get their feedback. Could we, what I'm going to do is I'm going to get you to send me the links. I'll put the links in the show notes if people want to go check out your film. I assume that would work the easiest. Yeah, yeah. Just go to Daughtersof the westfilm.com. Oh, and I should mention, actually, this is important.

Sure. That in addition to going to Daughtersofthewestfilm.com to see the film, I also have a resources section there that is all practical services for families struggling with the impacts of gender ideology, because I really want this to be about providing practical solutions. You know, I know the

documentary is very hard hitting, but it is surrounded by, you know, action that can be taken. There's the groups that I worked with to make the film, but there's also a resources section at Daughters of the Westfield.com that is access to therapists and access to legal resources. There's networks of parents who are struggling with their children trying to transition and transitioning or have transition. There's resources to help keep your kids off of smartphones and social media until the correct age, which is like after grade eight.

So there's all sorts of resources there. So I really encourage people to go to the site. And if you need the resources or if you know people to need those resources, a lot of that stuff is very censored and hard to find, and so I'm going to continue to build that library to give people practical resources to protect their families from this influence. Appreciate that, Simon, and I'll make sure, once again, to put it in the show notes that way, if anyone's listening and is wanting to get more information or go see your documentary, they can just click on the link in the way they go, and that'll be in the show notes. Right on. Thank you for having me on the show. I appreciate it.

Yeah, thanks, Simon, once again. Simon Esler, documenting, filmmaker, comedian, holy man, that was UFO. Uphology. Did not see that one coming, folks. I'm not going to lie. That caught me, well, right in the sweet spot of podcasting. I'm going to be honest. I was excited for that.

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