Shaun Newman Podcast - #450 - Steve Kirsch

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

American entrepreneur, tech millionaire, MIT graduate, founded the Covid early treatment fund and offered 1 million as a challenge for a debate on covid related topics. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast

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For more information, visit them in Hancock Petroleum.com.ca.com. C.A. He's an American entrepreneur who's a graduate of MIT. He started several companies and was one of the two people who independently invented the optical mouse. He also, through COVID, offered a million dollar bet to anyone who would come on and debate him about COVID. I'm talking about Steve Kirsch. So buckle up. Here we go.

This is Steve Kirsch, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Steve Kirsch. So first off, sir, thanks for giving me some of your time. Sure, my pleasure, Sean. I think, you know, I've certainly followed your substack and different things, some of your interviews, just some of your thoughts, you know, in the dark days of COVID, which some would argue you're still here. Others would argue that it's not. but regardless, I'm talking probably at least two years ago,

you had some very interesting thoughts. So I assume the audience knows who you are and saying that, there's going to be a few who don't. So let's start with a little of your background, Steve, if you don't mind. And I would go pre-COVID, pre-COVID, you know, and just, you know, we'll start there and a little of your background and we'll hop in from there. Sure.

High tech entrepreneur. I have a couple of degrees from electrical engineering, computer science from MIT. started a bunch of high-tech companies and then COVID hit. And I was in lockdown, decided to try to do what I could to make a difference, started the COVID-19 early treatment fund, and ended up getting two Moderna shots because I trusted the FDA, even though I didn't trust the NIH. And so I found out that that trust was misplaced because my friend started dying and being injured.

from the COVID vaccine. And so I started looking into the data behind that because the observations that I had, just from my friends, were statistically unlikely if the vaccine was safe and effective. And so there's something wrong. Either I'm very unlucky or the government was lying. So I started looking at the data,

and the data was unambiguous. it showed that this is the most dangerous vaccine of all time. And it was obvious. And nobody would talk to me about it. Nobody would try to convince me that what the data I was seeing was wrong. So this just made me more and more upset that people were not looking at the data and could not explain the data and that I was being ignored. and at first I thought when I saw this data and I told people about it that they would say,

oh my gosh, I told my wife, give me two weeks. Let me write up my article about what I've seen and this whole thing will turn around. Those were the days. And so since then I've discovered it's much worse than I thought. You know, I thought it was just the COVID vaccines that were dangerous. And I, you know, you just started, you start, you start. It's like a, you know, you're pulling a line, right? And you get one fish and then you get more fish.

And so you'd start looking and you'd open this up and you'd say, well, the rates of autism are going out of sight and it only started happening when they rolled out the vaccines to kids. Oh, where, where? It's not just autism. It's all, it's all these chronic diseases. And so, what? I've been covered is that the whole thing, all these vaccines, all these shots that they're giving

people are causing more harm than good. And, you know, so that's the, that's the bigger story. Yeah, it's, you know, you, I laugh, you start pulling on the thread and you're like, you think it's going to be this short little, you know, oh, I got a little, and pull it out. And then a whole shirt unravels. You're like, what is going on here? It just won't, it won't end. You know, it was in the middle of COVID, I interviewed, well, actually, it actually wasn't that long ago, maybe a year ago now. I interviewed a man named Forrest Moretti. He wrote a book called The Moth and the Iron Lung. It was all about polio vaccines. Yes, big fan of his. I'm a big fan of what he's done.

You read his book and you're like, holy moly. Oh. Yeah. Like, it's shocking. It's shocking. Anyways. It is. It's, yeah, from what you thought versus reality. And, of course, course the biggest thing is that polio shot you know with all the kids in the iron lung that was a completely staged photo that is not real here's the interesting thing you know when when when the generation gets older now i think there's too much information yeah i mean who knows they're still trying to cover everything up you know just this week steve in in canada and we were just talking about this last night so a private memo came out uh blacklocks report

So shout out to Black Lox reporter in Ottawa. They're fantastic. A secret Privy Council office memo recommended that any COVID vaccine-related injuries or deaths be carefully managed with winning communication strategies as to not shake public confidence. That's according to Black Lox reporter. So they pulled that story out this week. And then the other thing was in the first hours, you know, here up in Canada, we had the Freedom Convoy. In the first hours of the protest, they wanted the word out there that the protesters were violent, anarchists. and if they didn't act like violent anarchists,

the feds were going to make it up. So, like, it's just so blatantly obvious what's going on. And yet, I know where I sit, and I certainly know I got my finger on the pulse, all this stuff. And if you're just going to work every day, you kind of like miss these big, giant things that are staring all of us right in the face. Yeah.

The press has totally distorted the message. They won't let anyone on that is counter-narrative. And that's not what's supposed, the press isn't supposed to do that. The press isn't supposed to be the propaganda machine for the government. But it is because they get the majority of their advertising dollars from pharmaceutical companies. So it's like they have to serve their masters. It's the same thing with why haven't any experts realize that vaccines cause autism? I mean, it is blatantly obvious from the data.

The data is undenetable. And you don't have to believe me. You can go to the records of any pediatrician in America and validate this. Any pediatrician in America, you can validate this. Who has enough? Is it because 99 point, I don't know what the percentage is, maybe you know the answer, almost every child born in a hospital gets the, well, maybe not even born in the hospital, I shouldn't even put it that way.

Yeah. I think almost every. 99%. It's over 99%. Percent of kids get the, you know, I had the shots growing up. Everybody had the shots. So they just assume everybody's not dead, Steve. So obviously he's not doing any harm.

Obviously. Obviously. Yeah, can't be doing any harm. So how come? How come the kids that are not vaccinated are doing better than the kids who are? And how come, see, you don't have to believe me on this, but how come there's no study that was done by the CDC comparing the fully unvaccinated with the fully vaccinated?

Now, you would think that the CDC would be all over that study because it would show that the CDC was right all along all these decades. But you see, they've never done that study. And when they try to force the NIH to do the study, guess what happens? The bill gets killed in committee. It doesn't even make it out with nine co-sponsors in the House. Doesn't even make it out of committee.

Explain that one to me. They just asked the NIH to do a study. because, hey, we want to prove to people that if you're vaccinated, you're better off. But Congress doesn't want that study to be done. The NIH doesn't want that study to be done. The CDC certainly doesn't want that study to be done because in 2005, Judy Gerberding said, yep, we'll do that study. It's an easy study to do, and we're going to be right on it.

That was 20 years ago. I want to rewind. They don't want you to know. I want to remind one of the things that surprised me, you know, in the middle of COVID, was when you had the million dollar offer going on. So maybe you could walk people through, I assume they know, but the same token, I don't want to assume, you know, you had the million dollar offer for somebody to come on and debate you. I read your, once upon a time I like copy pasted it to a, because I'm like, man, this would be unreal. Maybe I could pull this off, you know, I did not pull it off. But you had a list of like, this is what I want the debate to be.

It was very clear. It honestly made a complete sense to me. I was like, yeah, I agree with pretty much every point there. You know, I've seen in one of your later ones that's maybe more recent, that there would be no moderator, which, you know, being a guy who likes facilitating conversations, I always think a middleman to make sure things go well. But regardless, for the most part, Steve, I looked at what you wanted at a debate, plus the price tag, a million dollars. I'm like, how do I get a degree behind my name so I can go debate, Steve? I was just like, why is nobody taking you up on this? But maybe lead people through that, Florida, if they didn't realize or haven't heard about it.

Yeah, you know, there's an old saying, put your money where your mouth is, and I wanted to see if anybody was confident enough to believe in the government narrative. So I challenge people in the government narratives about metamaskings work, social distancing, work, is there a virus, the whole thing. And by the way, I believe there's a virus, but hey, I'm open to being. shown that I'm wrong. And so, and one of the big bets was I bet that more people have been killed by the COVID vaccine than have been saved. And there was one guy actually took me up on it. He said he wouldn't bet me the full million, but he bet me half a million.

And so we have a half million dollar bet going on. But there was only one guy in the United States of America that would take me off. only one guy oh wait a minute where where where's the company where aren't the drug companies betting me why aren't public health authorities who say you should you have to get the shot why aren't corporations who require you to get the shot aren't they confident that the shots are beneficial if they're confident they should bet me and so the point is one guy he's in israel accepted my bet. One guy, and he didn't even accept the whole thing.

He just took half a million dollars. One guy. That is the level of confidence that these vaccines have saved the lives. It's one guy. He thinks he's confident that it has. But that's it. If there's anyone else who's confident, they should bet me immediately because they can double their money.

I mean, so the whole point of this, was to show that nobody was confident. Yet, like, here we're mandating these shots, right? But nobody is willing to, they're willing to risk your life. Okay. But they're not willing to risk their money that they're right. Isn't that interesting? Well, I found it.

I think that's interesting. It's beyond interesting. It was like, here it is, you know, like, it was, it still to me is interesting this day, right? Like so many, you know, like that, geez, that's like two years ago now. Maybe a little less. Maybe was it still going on 2022? Like, I can't remember when, you know, I saw you kind of, you know, not fade away from, like, I mean, at some point, it's almost like, listen, guys, it's evident.

Nobody's ever coming to do this. But I found it, I found it, like, very fascinating when it first started. just like so you know like even even um you know you go back to Joe Rogan he even had uh Sanjay Gupta come on and I mean that was the last mistake they ever made there like they're like that was uh that was a misstep right like shouldn't have done that I love that show definitely love that show you know one of the in the middle um I was I was really struggling you know up here in Alberta, Canada, I mean, just in general, why governments weren't being more proactive?

And like trying to find things, you know, I was staring at different parts of the world and seeing what they were doing. One of the things was your testing. You were funding early treatment tests. I was like, that's brilliant. Like, why aren't we, you know, doing all these things? What was the pushback you received on that?

Oh, early treatments don't work. Vaccination is the way to go. Oh, your trials are too small. We need more data. You know, that sort of thing. When did you lose hope that that avenue wasn't going to work? When did I lose hope? I think after we applied to the FDA for EUA approval.

And they basically said, well, we don't think we eat. you have enough data. Then I was, then it was obvious to me that no matter how much data we had, it would not be enough. That's a hard, you know,

when you put it that way, Steve, that's a hard, it's a hard thought to get past. No matter how much data we have, it will never be enough. That sentence right there, that's a hard thing to,

like, say and then come to terms with. Um, Yeah, but that's the way these guys operate. I mean, this is reality. It's, if you're not on the narrative, it doesn't matter how much data you have. And if you are on the narrative,

then you don't need any data at all. So, You know, for like masks, they didn't have any data. For social distancing, they didn't have any data. They rolled it out to everybody. You know, it didn't matter. But for fluvoxamine, which was shown to be very effective in these trials, it was like, no, we were, you know, no data was good enough. It was like, you know, show us more data.

We need more data. We need more data. Right. And that was troubling to me. You got a friend running for the Democratic Party and Robert Kennedy Jr. How much of a stick in the side of the wheels for the machine has that been? And, you know, I'm always curious. I was talking to Edward Dowd about it.

Like, is there a shot of him actually winning? Or what are your thoughts? yeah no i think he's got a really good chunk of winning i think um if they ever have a debate between him and biden uh he'll it will not be a close call yeah that that that would really move the needle it would show the american public what's going on and so they're doing everything they can to avoid a debate well i mean which to me is like you know that that's un-american well there's You know, what's going on with that? Do you think, you know, like, I don't know if I can, I can't speak much to the American side of things.

And you certainly will have a way better feel of the pulse than that than I will. One of the things, you know, from a Canadian staring down, they always try and paint it as the person who was anti-vax. And I'm going to put that in, in quotes, was the Republican. And they tried really framing it hard that way and everything else. And the person who's against it. And so there's 30 Republicans. But then you have, you know, Mr. Kennedy come out. It would be so well-spoken.

Just head on his shoulders. What are an interesting, if he ever became the leader of the Democratic Party to be running for president, like that would be something. And if you're, you know, you have your tribes. You have the blue, you have the red, and they go to war with each other all the time. How much of an influence would it be to have? have him just even in the conversation. Like you say, they're trying to avoid a debate, but I mean, to have a debate for their team

and have a guy speak openly like that, you'd think that would break some people out of the, I don't know, just the narrative, the going along to get along, just like, we're just going to keep going and nothing's going on here. The fire ain't, or, you know, the host ain't burning down. Yeah. Yeah. you would think it would make a difference and I think we'll see. I think it will make a difference.

It'll take a while. They're trying their best to make sure that he can't go on CNN and get mainstream, any kind of mainstream publicity. And the more they do that, I think the more it helps his campaign to show that, you know, it's like Instagram basically says your account is canceled for six months. And then when that was shown to be illegal, they reversed it. Wow.

How nice of them. You know, you talk about big tech, Instagram. You're a guy who's, I don't know, Steve, you've been pretty much removed off in just about everything. Not quite everything. I haven't been removed on Facebook because they don't post on Facebook anymore. Because I know if I post like a word lights out. everything will be wiped out. My Facebook account will be non-recoverable. I mean, they've actually gone back over a year to try to find a post that they could censor. In LinkedIn, I'm permanently

banned for life. On Medium, I'm banned for life. On Wikipedia, I'm banned for life. Wikipedia, you're banned for life? Yeah, it was banned for life on Twitter twice. I mean, I was banned for life and they resurrected me so they could ban me for life again. I mean, it was like, one, killing him once was not enough. We needed to kill him twice. So it took a while to bring me back because I was double killed. You know, it's like you have two bullets through your heart instead of one. So Malone got back on Twitter before I got back on Twitter.

I presume it's because when they kill you twice, it's harder to resurrect you. How hard is it to resurrect a guy's Twitter pro, you know, like, I mean, it's funny, you bring it up. I got, I got my entire account from YouTube got just blown up. And it was because of medical misinformation from a conversation I had with, with McCullough. And then, yeah, there you go. McCullough, big misinformation spreader. And then, well, and then I interviewed a guy named Chris Barber who led the Freedom

Convoy. And so my YouTube channel just went like, gone. Anyways, just this week, they're like, hey, you're back on YouTube. I'm like, holy crap, I'm back on YouTube. And then six hours after, they sent me a note saying, uh, you've been removed from YouTube again because of medical misinformation. I'm like, it's an interview from two out years ago. I haven't even posted anything. Like what is going on here? You know, it's, there isn't freedom of speech in America here. You know, you can speak, but just not at any platform where there is an audience.

Well, has, has Twitter been like with Elon Musk taking, over Twitter. Are you a big champion of what Elon's doing? Yes, because I'm allowed to speak without censorship. If it were under the old regime, I would be de-platformed on Twitter very rapidly. I think like all my tweets would be censored. Well, that's, I mean. And of course, you know, when they do that, they don't just leave your account and freeze they basically wipe out your entire history as if you never existed.

So anybody who linked to your tweet or quoted it or whatever, it's all gone. They basically said, oh, you did one thing wrong. Instead of just reversing, instead of just deleting that one thing, we're going to wipe out your entire history over the last, you know, 20 years. If you do one thing that we judge in our judgment that we think is medical misinformation. It's, well, it's the A-bomb approach. It's the nuclear option, right? Like, we're just going to blast it out of here like it never existed.

Except it's funny because by doing that, then people search it out more and more. I would assume you have that feeling. I mean, like your substack, which I might argue or not argue might point out, is a Canadian who started substack, I do believe. But regardless, by getting removed off all these different platforms, I feel like it did more for you, Steve, than less. Maybe I'm wrong on that. Don't get me wrong. Do you want to be removed? No, you want free speech. You want to be able to say what you want to say. But everybody got to witness them remove the Steve Kirsch, the Robert Malone, the Peter McCullough, and the list goes on and on and on and on. I mean, it got to a point where you said one word, and nobody even knew what the one word was anymore, and you were just gone. It was just like, we're removing this from everywhere. I mean, the Twitter files have been absolutely eye-opening to the point of, you know, and even, you know, and even, you know, Zuckerberg talking about government to pushing on them with the different agencies on what they could and couldn't do.

And like it's just, I don't know, for me, even as many interviews as I've done, at a certain point, I was like, how much worse can it get at this point? Probably worse than you thought. What is, you know, when you talk about pulling on the thread, or actually you mentioned fishing. You catch one fish and all of a sudden you realize you've caught. Were you ever in disbelief of like it couldn't, it can't get much worse than where we're at. I mean, I hate that sentence because it can always get those folks. I get that.

But, you know, like you start pulling on the vaccine and then it gets, you know, now, and then you see, oh, man. But in, you know, in America, the land of the free freedom of speech, all these different things. Yeah. It's deep. You know, it's like early on when I was doing this, I found out that chlorine, you know, chloride in the drinking water. That's super bad. What a huge mistake.

And so I went to the director of the CDC museum. I said, look, you have this fluoride thing as an accomplishment that the CDC got communities to fluoridate their water. You know, the fluoridation is a disaster. It's not about what reduces cavities is sanitation. and oral hygiene. And in Europe, they didn't fluoridate their water and they got better results than we did. What the fluoridation does is it creates mental retardation.

You're drinking the fluoride. You're not supposed to drink fluoride. Hello? And the evidence is crystal clear. So I point out the evidence to this director of the CDC Museum. I said, you know, look, you shouldn't be touting this. This should be a point of an bare. for the CDC if you're telling the truth.

And she says, I don't believe you, and I'm not even going to look at the reference. When you say in the... There you go. Does CDC have a museum? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And in their fluoride is the thing that they're like, this was a great achievement in America? Huge, a huge accomplishment.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I mean, these people don't wake up. These people are like in this trance that the CD, you know, They work at the CDC because they believe the CDC is doing all this good stuff and is saving people's lives. And the COVID vaccines have saved millions of lives. And all these deaths are just anecdotes.

And we don't want to do any autopsies because we really want to know whether they killed people or not. But, I mean, it's like they are so corrupt. And yet they are so believing in their accomplishments. but there's no transparency. Like, I found out when I was there, I talked to the head of media relations for the CDC. He didn't know who I was. That's why I talked to me.

And I asked him, so why don't you guys get the vaccination data from the states? You don't have the record level vaccination data so you can't do these analyses to show that vaccines are safe or not. So the CDC has never, ever been able to do an analysis post, a post-marketing analysis showing that any of the vaccines are safe. Because they don't have the data. The states have the data and they're not providing.

I said, why don't you ask the states for the data? Oh, Congress didn't give us the authority to ask the states for the data. I said, okay, why don't you ask them nicely? Like, please, sir, may I have the data? and the answer is no we haven't asked them because we don't have the legal authority to ask them I said yes but you can ask them voluntarily there's nothing that says you can't ask them for the data and he said no we don't have the legal authority to ask them for the data so these guys clearly don't want to know the data and they don't want to ask for the data because

if they wanted to have the legal authority to ask for the data, all they have to do is say, hey, we're the CDC, I'm CDC director, and I want Congress to pass a law giving us the right to have the data. No, they don't want the data, because if they had the data, they'd have to analyze it. And, you know, it's like, I don't want to see the data. They just don't want to see the data. You know, I wrote an email to Erica Pan. She is the chief epidemiologist of the state of California. And we were in this email conversation and she's replying to all my emails. And I said, so, so do you believe in data transparency? And then she stops responding to all my emails. No communication ever since I asked her that question. Now, that is a public health official who really has

your best interest at heart that would run from the question of, do you believe in data transparency? There you go. It tells you everything you need to know. And because if the answer is yes, then they should release the data. And if the answer is no, then what kind of public health official you are? It's the one question they can't answer. And nobody in the press is asking any of these guys this question. They don't want to know. The media doesn't want to know or are they afraid? No, absolutely not. They don't want to know.

Why? Because it's going to indict them all? Well, the media sponsored by the drug companies, sponsored by Pfizer. And so they don't want to lose their revenue because they go out of business. They'd lose more than half their revenue. So they can't say anything bad about the vaccines. And so if you're a reporter and you try to say stuff bad about the vaccines, you get deplanformed. Look what happened to Tucker Carlson.

You know, I was on Fox News once. I said the vaccines had killed half a million people. And I said, and then the host said, well, we can't verify that. And I said, you can't or you won't. Well, I actually didn't say that, but I should have said that. If I was really on it, I would have said, you can't or you won't. And, you know, those are two different things, because of course they could verify it. But they didn't want to verify it.

And I contacted them afterwards. I said, hey, here's the data where you can, here's all the data so you can verify exactly what I said. And you know what? Fox News has never called me again because they don't want to verify what I said or prove I'm wrong. Because they can't prove I'm wrong. They'd prove I was right. and that would be devastating.

That's why I'm never on Fox News. When it comes to the United States, I think we've all seen the video montages of sponsored by Pfizer, sponsored by Pfizer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all the drug companies. And it's like, oh, okay, that makes sense. Here in Canada, you know, it's funny, in Alberta specifically,

I've been getting tons of emails about the data, and I've had different guys on breaking down the data of Alberta, and what it means and everything else. Is it because it's complicated, one, that politicians don't want to talk about it? Or is it too societal pressure because everyone went along

and it will be, it'll cause like, like it'll be hard to come. Yeah. In the whole infrastructure of America. Correct. It will cause us to mistrust the doctors, will mistrust the press, will mistrust Congress and will mistrust the government agencies.

There basically won't be anybody left for us to trust, except for maybe Tucker Carlson. But the thing is, Steve, the longer goes on, the more trust that is being lost every single day. We're getting that point anyway. Yeah, yes. And they think that because they think they can get away with it. Look, look what happened to autism. Okay, they knew in 2000 that the thimerosol, which contains mercury, causes autism. So they had a meaning to cover it up, secret meeting.

There's a transcript, but it was never released until much later. And they said, okay, out of an abundance of caution, we'll just remove thimerosol because maybe it's associated with autism. but we're not sure. They were sure. They couldn't make the signal go away. There's an email from Tom for Stratton, who's the CDC epidemiologist who did the study,

and he basically say, the signal won't go away. Meaning everything we do, all the tricks that we have in our bag of tricks, we couldn't make it go away by adjusting for this. You know, like let's adjust for the mother's, grandmother's income. You know, I mean, it gets so ridiculous as to where they're going to adjust for so they can make the signal go away.

And, you know, they have these computer models that they do these analysis and they tune it so that, you know, how can we make the signal go away? Let's adjust for this and this and this and see what? No more signal. So they've been getting away with it for decades. and people are still buying it. And so what happens, though, is that the mainstream researchers, the Tomp Autism researchers all know that vaccines cause autism, but they're not allowed to talk about it because

they're going to lose their grants, they're going to lose their job, they're going to lose their hospital privileges, they're going to lose all their patients, and they're going to lose their license. So why would they sacrifice their entire career to tell the truth and save lives? It's not worth it. You just go along with the flow because you can't oppose the narrative. So none of these, like if these guys all got together, if all 100 autism experts got together, they'd all be declared brain dead by the rest of the medical community and shouted down as you're a conspiracy theorists

and they'd be all discredited and lose their jobs, right? Yeah, maybe, but they should take a stand. I mean, they should all unify and take a stand and sign a letter saying, hey, the vaccines are causing huge amounts of autism. We should stop these vaccines. It is completely obvious to anyone who looks at the data, and anyone I confront with the data basically says, I don't want to talk to you anymore.

You can't make this stuff up. You know, you can't get, you cannot get on your show. Sean, you will not be able to get a single person on your show advocating for the vaccines because you're not going to ask them to softball questions, right? Try, I mean, the proof is these guys won't go on your show. I'll go on anyone's show. I'll go on CNN. I'll go on the New York Times wants to interview me.

I'll do that. I'll do anything. But it's funny how the people who. who are with the pro-vaccine narrative are saying, no, no, no, we only want to go on shows where it's all scripted. We know what the, we know what all the questions are beforehand, and it's a friendly interviewer.

You know, this is the thing for Fauci. Fauci never goes into a situation where he's not going into a friendly interview. Right? He's never going, I mean, same thing for Borla, same thing for any of these guys in the pharma companies, they never go into an interview where the interviewer is not on their side. And I would love to go into an interview where the interviewer tries to convince the public that I'm wrong. But what happens is I actually did that once.

Once. There's a guy in, I think it was New Zealand, Sean Plunkett. and Sean wouldn't let me talk. I'd say, hey, Sean, here's the data. And Sean was saying, well, you're just an anti-vaxxer and, you know, you don't know what you're talking about. And, yeah, but Sean, here's the data. You know, this is how the conversation goes.

I only got one opportunity ever. Well, maybe another one. There was another one where I, in Trinidad Tobago, where. where I was talking to Minister Hines and on a radio show and they had to go in and they had to drop me. They had to make it like I dropped out.

They basically shut the Zoom call and kicked me off the Zoom call because they couldn't respond to anything that I said. That's how embarrassing this stuff is. That's why I never get on these shows that are pro-vexine because it's too embarrassing for them. And they'll never come

on my show, but I'm happy to go on their show and embarrass them. You know, it's, the asymmetry of this should cause anyone with a thinking mind to say, wait a minute here. This, this doesn't sound like a fair playing field here. He'll go on, on anyone's show, but your guys will only go on the safe shows. There's something wrong about that. There was a time rate about, hmm, how long ago is that? I would say three months, three months maybe into the vaccine being given.

Maybe it was less than that. I'm trying to think now. Because I had Peter McCullough on, episode 195, and episode one, was it, 202 folks? 202 is the second time McCullough came on. And in between those two, I had a doctor from Lloyd come on and talk about it. and why, you know, he thought getting vaccinated was good and everything else. And there was a time where a few doctors were allowed to speak openly in Saskatchewan about why they thought the public should get vaccinated.

Now, in fairness to everything I've learned since then, I was like three doctors in. I talk about this all the time, Steve, right off the hop, I was like, okay, everybody just go get vaccinated and, you know, we're going to hit a certain percentage and we're going to get back to life. didn't think we'd get to where it was like everybody has to be vaccinated we're going to have a snitch line and nobody get together and you know like things got pretty wild up here and uh if i'd known everything and that i'd known in the future i would have approached that interview and probably others a lot different but i mean you know uh hindsight 2020 and all that good stuff it's like how would you have known how could i possibly you know even when i was listening and talking all the different people

saying like this is coming i'm like yeah maybe right and and yet that's where we got to Now it's like I don't even know how anyone can come on and to honestly talk to me openly about it anymore because there's just there's just so much just so much information out there and data and everything else where you're like you know it's it's pretty straightforward yet here in Alberta and I'm forgetting her name Sheila oh that's terrible of me is needing life-saving organ transplant and it's gone all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada and they have denied her because she's not vaccinated. And you're like, and yet here it is, still playing out right in front of our eyes. And you're like, what is going on in the world? Yeah. Look, if the vaccine works, then they can't be afraid of the patient. And so their rationale is, well, we don't want to waste a transplant on someone who's going to die because they're not vaccinated. But you see, there's no data showing that people who got the shot,

are actually going to live longer than people who didn't get the shot. And it's just completely backwards. It should be, Sean, if they were actually looking at the data, they should say, well, if you got a COVID vaccine, you're going to be the last in line for transplant because we don't want to waste an organ on someone who's going to die. It should be the opposite. And I can't get into a debate with anyone in the medical community

about that because they're all afraid they're all like... I bet you they're not even afraid. I bet you they're not even afraid. They're probably like, this guy's lost his mind. Because, you know, like,

there's a lot of ton of people that, what you just said about equating if you don't have a vaccine to, like, being like a smoker is why you can't get on. Because this may shock people, but there's certain things

that they will not allow you on a organ transplant thing which they can, you. One of them is if you're a heavy smoker, right? Because they look at it and go out. It's, you know, it's a matter of time or whatever. And so somehow they have put, equated the COVID if you aren't vaccinated to being like this chimney smoker and we're not going to give it to you that way. It's the strangest, where I sit from, Steve, it is the strangest thought process ever. And the fact it's gone all the way to the high courts in Canada and still get struck,

you're not, no, nope, not giving it to you is, actually as a citizen, I don't even know what to do at this point. No, no, it's, it's, it's really pretty shocking. And, and the, the thing that could break this is when you get into a debate with a, um, a top guy who then you prove that the emperor has no clothes. And that's, that's the thing is that if, if I were to get into a debate with this guy, I would prove to, to anybody listening with a brain, that these guys are completely wrong. They don't have any of the data to back up their stuff. It's all make-believe.

It's all, you know, there's this book turtles all the way down. That's exactly what it is. It's all this stuff that's built on these assumptions that the vaccines are safe and effective. And it's all built on a house of cards. And at the bottom, the emperor has no clothes. You know, these vaccines are not tested against placebo because otherwise, none of them would be approved. And then there are no post-marketing safety studies that show these vaccines are safe

because the states won't release the data. Do you think there's a way to break what, well, I don't know if you tell me what huge portion of the population is. I don't know the level of population that is still under the spell of the COVID vaccine is like the way, the gospel. Is there a way to break that? It breaks over time. and nobody knows when it breaks, and I've talked to Matthias Desmond about it,

and he basically says, look, you know, you have to keep going with the truth, and people like you speaking out, speak the truth every single day, and eventually there'll be more and more people speaking the truth, and more and more people, and eventually it defeats the, you know, people get, and we sway, you know, there are people, who go and go from anti-vax to pro-vax. I know of one, or maybe two. But the others are all the other, go the other way.

They go from ProVax to Antivax, because the data is so compelling. Did you talk to the people who went from Antivax to ProVax? I've tried to, but they won't talk to me. Be curious to hear what their thoughts on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's this one lady, and she says,

well, I'll only talk to you on a big, I don't want to waste my time on Twitter spaces or anything like that, only, you know, Dr. Drew or Joe Rogan or whatever, and then I'll talk to you. Okay, fine. That would be fascinating. Twitter spaces.

Twitter space would be fascinating as well. I mean, is there any more open of a public debate than what Twitter spaces has? become one-on-one with an audience. Yeah, that'd be honestly, really, really fascinating. You know, as we slowly close in on time, I want to be cognizant of... Oh, wow. Yeah, so let me tell you, this is like breaking news real-time.

I just did a survey. I asked people about SIDS and when their child died after SIDS because I saw a tweet from a nurse to say that in every single case of... SIDS. It happens within 72 hours after the shot. And so I just did a survey to say, hey, when was your SIDS death in comparison to the nearest vaccine? Was it before the vaccine? Well, it couldn't be before, actually. It's interesting. I'll have to think about that one. Well, yeah, no, it could be before their shot was scheduled, right? They, they died. from SIDS, they were about to, they were scheduled to go to the pediatrician in a week, okay,

and get their shot or, you know, they were supposed to get their next shot a month later or a week later and they died just before they were supposed to get their next shot. What a shame. So everything is coming in. I've only had three responses because the number of SIDS cases is really small. It's supposed to be like, you know, cases per hundred thousand, you know, It's like, it's probably, it's got to be fewer than one case per 10,000. So if I get some responses here, I consider myself really lucky to have that kind of reach. And so I have three responses so far. One is, the first one was a week after.

The next one was less than a day after and the next one was less than a day after. We have a problem here. That is very statistically unlikely. Just in those three responses, right? because if SIDS isn't related at all to the vaccine, it should be equally likely that I get things on, yeah, a week after, a month after, you know, it'll be all along the spectrum.

You start to see the pad. I'm getting three less than a week. All three are less than a week after. And then there's this nurse, this says I've been an ER nurse for 12 years. And here I'll actually, I'll read the statement for her. And the problem with being an ER nurse is that when these kids die, they die at home. And so the ER nurse never sees it, which is tragic.

So the only people who see it, the pediatrician doesn't even see it, right? Because it never gets to the pediatrician. It's just the paramedics see the SIDS deaths. And then the paramedics never ask, oh, when does the child less vaccinated? Right. And so gathering this data is actually really interesting. And I'm looking for the quote here. Anyway, it's something like I've been in our nurse for 12 years.

And in every single case, the child was diagnosed with SIDS less than 12 hours, or sorry, less than 72 hours after their wellness visit. It's really, really stunning. So, yeah, I mean, I get here, let me, let me see if I can, I have an article that I'm working on that has that in a vaccine. Okay, here it is. Yeah, so it's 12 years as an ER nurse, and every SIDS case had a well visit within 72 hours of their death every single one. It's within 72 hours of their death,

which means 72 hours before they died, they had a visit. Now again, she's not seeing all the deaths. But anyway. Well, I mean, one of the things that... It's tragic for sure. Well, one of the... of the things that, you know, it's hard to, you know, you go, well, I'm circumstantial or maybe, you know,

like this and that person's opinion, but the thing that you can't, you know, as an everyday person, just walking around, if you start talking to people, all of us know somebody, probably multiple people that have had adverse reactions to the vaccine. And that's just a starting point. Yeah, that's what makes it, that's what makes us believable, by the way. It's not that they're believing what what we say it's that they're experiencing this themselves yeah I mean it's it's I I ran into I had a I had a stint Steve where I ran into you know because like obviously you know in the middle of COVID having different people on like McCullough and that type of thing you kind of paint yourself into a corner if

you will so people know exactly kind of what you're up to and I'd sit at different gatherings and I'd start talking and I'd have my uneasy to discussions with people where they were just like, well, I just think you're wrong. But the longer I talked to them, I'm like, you know, but I actually got a friend or a family member who has this problem after the vaccine. And I'm like, and? And I was like, why? Why doesn't that just make you go, okay, I get what you're talking about. And now, you know, like, I've started to have over the course of it, we've had different people come on to share their story of like really serious adverse

side effects all the way up to death with the COVID vaccine. And the people who get it, get it. And then there's just other people that aren't listening anymore. They've just moved on and it's not a big deal and everything else. You're a guy who's been vaccinated. Have you been, are you at all concerned? Have you been taking any of the protocols? You know, I think of like Dr. Pierre-Cori, like the FLCCC.

Have you been looking into that? Are you not concerned at all? What's your thoughts on that? You know, the FLCCC has protocols for treating COVID, for treating long COVID, for treating vaccine injured. And people have done pretty well on those protocols. So, you know, it's way better than anything that the CDC is published. Are you, but are you yourself after getting Moderna, right?

I believe it's you mentioned too. You know, I do things like nanokinase, NAC. I have some augmented NAC that I'm taking as well, just to reduce the risk. Yeah, the leg, yeah, fair enough. Well, here, let me end on this. It's the crude master final question. It's how we end the show here. What's next for Steve?

And how can we help, if at all? The easiest way to help is follow me and if I tweet something, retweet it. You know, follow me on Twitter, retweet what I post. Follow me on substack. Share what I write on substack. Share it with your friends. Share it with others.

Either more people that learn the truth, the better. All I'm doing is saying, look, you know, check for yourself, folks. You know, none of this stuff makes sense. You don't have to believe me on. any of this stuff. All I'm going to do is show you how you can look and see for, find out for yourself that what I'm saying is true. So just, you know, follow me and spread the word. And do you have any, I was just curious, you know, like, or just a substack, that's it? I know you've been on. Substack, Twitter. I guess what I was meaning is you've been on,

like, you've been on like every giant show under the sun. You've, you've testified, you've done all these different things. Do you have anything like that coming up that you want people to know about? Not specifically that that's coming up right now. I had a testimony in the Pennsylvania State Senate, which I thought was short and well done. It's got about 2 million views and that's on Twitter. It was posted by the Vigilant Fox. And so it's got Steve Cush's Pennsylvania Senate testimony. money that that was pretty popular okay well I appreciate you giving me some time today sir and we'll look forward to seeing what's what's coming on the substack and I'm sure people fall along on Twitter and everywhere else yep great