Shaun Newman Podcast - #457 - Drew Weatherhead & David Parker

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

David founded Take back alberta and co-hosts the Canadian Story Podcast Drew has his black belt in Brazilian jiu jitsu, hosts the Social Disorder Podcast and is an author. Both were in studio to discuss the events of the past year, podcasting and what is next. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Patreon: www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

This is Nicole Murphy. This is Rachel Emanuel. Hi, this is John Cohen. Hey, everyone, this is Glenn Jung from Bright Light News. This is Drew Weatherhead. This is Terrick. This is Ed Dowd, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks.

Happy Thursday. This is going to be the last Thursday for a little bit here. We're going to take a break from them here through July. Probably middle of August is my guess when we'll get started back up on Thursdays, somewhere in that time frame. So just to prepare yourself that Thursdays are going to disappear for a little bit. No worries. That's just easing back on the throttle through the month of July as we take a little trip down to beautiful Minnesota with the family, go see the in-laws,

let the kids go do, you know, go hang out with their uncles and aunts and grandparents, all that good stuff. No worries. The podcast will be firing on all cylinders, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday, but just no Thursday. So I'll just throw on that out there. Secondly, I've been, you know, Tom Longgo when he came here, me and him sat and had this long conversation about Patreon because I've been if you followed me this is like two years ago I started on Patreon and I started doing it and they became I'm like you know I'm going to put all this effort in YouTube's going to yank me and then pageant and blah blah blah so I just backed off it and I haven't done anything with it sat dormant and actually I've had a few patrons stay with

it even though I've been providing no extra content whatsoever on it and I've been really deliberating on this on starting to go back at it because Tom's really sunk a thought in my head that you know he's like they're not worried about you he's like go be on patreon and uh and see if you can attract some people there and just go after it and he goes you know and this is tom talk and he's got you know 3,000 patrons uh supporting him and uh i was like huh so now i've sat here sat here for two weeks thinking about it and i really want your thoughts you know um so i put the patreon link back in the show notes for the first time in forever and uh if that's something you're interested in, you know, it only costs, I don't know, like seven bucks a month, the minimum,

I think, and I don't know, what is it? I actually can't even remember what the high side of it is. And if you're like, you know, if it was this amount, this amount, et cetera, et cetera, regardless, the text line is open. I'm curious what your thoughts are on it. I'm definitely contemplating it. I never thought I'd say that all over again, but Tom changed my mind or has at least left me with some thoughts since he was here in, you know, just recently in June. So regardless, Patreon, what's your thoughts? I know, like, I started Substack

under the thinking of like, you know, if I get to where I have 100 people saying they'll support it, I'll keep on with it. The tough thing about Substack, folks, is like, you have to want to write. And I just, I don't know. It's one more thing in the grand scheme of things that I'm doing.

And Patreon's a little different because I could put up a video. I could probably do that. on subsect too. Who am I kidding? I'm sitting here having a conversation with you and I hope you'll interact

via the phone line because one of the things that, one of the things that, you know, I've been contemplating is how people have been asking, you know,

off and on, how do you support this and that? And of course, there's been the S&P presents and different things like that. And Patreon just kind of floats around there. It's been an idea that if I would have stuck with,

you wonder where it would have been by now, right? That's kind of what Tom was suggesting to me. Anyways, I come all, I'm like full circle on this sucker. Either way. We've got an interesting one today with David and Drew, and certainly the first time we've got to sit down and fire some ideas around, which was a ton of fun, and look forward to

doing that again with them. But of course, before we get on to today's episode, let's get on to that tail of the tape brought to you by Hancock Petrolling for the past 80 years. They've been an industry leader in bulk fuels, lubricants, methadone, chemicals delivering to your farm, commercial or oilfield locations for more information visit them at hancock petroleum dot c a the first founded takeback alberta and co-hosts the canadian story podcast the second has his black belt and Brazilian jiu jitsu hosts the social disorder podcast and is an author i'm talking about david parker and drew weatherhead so buckle up here we go well this this is interesting fellas welcome to the sean newman podcast i got two guys in studio you know this this is the first time

we've ever done this you know the last time we actually met in person. I think all three of us were running in different directions to go do different podcasts, but we never sat and had a little roundtable action, which I thought would be fun with you guys being in town and trying to pull it off. So I appreciate, you know, making time for this and everything else. It's pretty cool to be in the same room with you again. It's probably been a year. That we've all three of us have been in the same room. Yeah. Yeah, we tried to get it going a little earlier this year, but schedules didn't quite align, so I'm happy we finally got to figure it out? Well, I mean, you

are head south again soon enough, so I mean, it's hard to get a hold of Drew. Half the year we can't. Yeah, half the year we can't. Now you can fly though. You can cross the border again. That's true. Oh, that's a big deal. I'm so excited about that. I'm flying just for a totally

separate thing off topic next month. And I don't have to worry. And I haven't had that for three years, you know, where I don't have to worry. What are the Canadian rules right now? What are the American rules right now? Is it different between vaccinated and unvaccinated? Are there masks?

Is there PCR tests? All of this stuff has not only been considerations, but limitations to my entire existence for the last three years. And now it just doesn't exist anymore. It feels weird, man. Well, the worst part about it was that for so long America was the problem, right? And, I mean, as Canadians, America's right there. But I haven't been to America in like five years because of the three-year period.

But I've been to the UK a couple, twice since the past. pandemic started. America just, everyone asks like it's a land of the free, well, only if you're American. Right? Like,

you can't go there. It's pretty crazy how far we've come first, not full circle, but like, you know, when you think about it, you know, when you first started going,

that's how you came across my, my periphery, you know, a listener of mine, Clay, who's put me on to a lot of different, diverse guests, honestly,

from across the spectrum, he'd first heard about you on Sam Tripoli. Yeah. And so he's like, you've got to get this guy on, right? And it's funny.

You start having these people come on, and then you realize we all come from relatively the same neck of the woods. And you're like, all right, so let's just start talking a little more often, you know. And it's blossomed, you know, a bit of a friendship. And, well, here we said, anyways. It's been really interesting. But you're right. I go with the wife here in July down to her home state, Minnesota, for a month with the kids. I'll podcast out of there and everything else.

And for once, I don't have to go and like, what do I need to get down there? How do I get down there? It's like, we can just go. and smile and cross the border and everything. It's insane to say that out loud because for so long, it's like... Go get gas across the border. I lived in Langley for a long time. Literally, we would just go to get milk right into Washington because it was right there.

Yeah, yeah, and we're back to that now in this strange way where you just need a passport, you know. Didn't even need a passport back in the day, remember? Yeah, just a driver's license. Yeah, I know that's changed as well, but I will say, like I am very excited about the possibility nigh probability that when I'm back down in the States that I can just commute to Canada and back in a weekend. You know what I mean? That will be nice. What a novel idea, you know? Get on a plane. It's like they existed already. Had two guys come in to Canada just a couple of weeks ago, Tom Luongo Alex Kraner,

Tom flew in from Florida and then Alex, essentially from Nice, France. And, you know, like there's, it's only been here in June where direct flights again to Eminton have started to like open up to different spots in the United States, for instance. And before COVID, that was just the thing. You could fly from Eminton to a lot of different destinations direct. But remember, they cut it down to like what, four hubs, Vancouver, Eminton, no, sorry, Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Montreal, I think we're the four. And now it's starting to branch back open, but it's like to get them here, it was like,

I think Alex's coming from Nice. And I'm not saying it would have been an easy flight with direct, but it was like 24 straight hours of either on a plane or in an airport. By the time he got here, you looked like a zombie. He was just like, fuck me. Right? And like traveling to this country is brutal right now or is slowly getting better, I guess. It's a way of looking at it for sure. I prefer the optimist right now, but at the same time, you don't want to forget why it did what it did and why we're starting to get better from where it was, because we're at this strange point in time in history right now where a lot of people are not only apt to forget, but they want to forget in this way

of like this almost like matrix sense. Put me back in, please. I love the taste of steak. Exactly. Like, you know, ignorance is bliss kind of thing. They've had too much dystopia and they want the bliss back even at the price of ignorance. Yeah, and the problem is, you can't like, you can't go back. You can't go back.

And actually, once you come to terms with that, I don't know about it. Maybe you guys could talk about your own stories of a board. when, you know, you started to realize, oh, shit, right? But I had, I had a, like, I don't know what it was. It was probably six solid months of, like, let's put me back in. Like, I don't know. Meanwhile, I'm doing the podcast every day, and I was just like, like, every time I start to pull on a thread, it gets worse.

I'm all to stop pulling on threads because I don't want to believe that everything is out there to get me, because I know in my community, that is not true. In my community, there's lots of great people, lots of great things. And you've got to really, you know, foster that, you know, lots of people come back to like what's the answer well focus on your community right but then you hit a point where you almost come to terms with it you come to terms with who you are you come to terms of a lot of things and it's like I actually kind of have a piece of that it's like man the world's a fucked up place it's been a fucked up place for a long long pretty much all time all time right you're

just realizing it now and you're like how did I not notice this a whole bunch of things I don't know is it the same for you guys yeah absolutely I mean what was the line where talking about from Lord of the Rings the other day. Oh, so do all who see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All that we have to decide is what to do with the time that is doing. Yes, we are. Sure. That's the thing is nobody ever wants to live through hard times.

But realistically, and I was talking to David about this the other day, is I don't want to, A, forget about anything that just happened, but I also want to recognize that we got a pretty relaxed version of an existential crisis. Nobody went into a world war. Nobody went through famine. Nobody went through a great depression. There were people that were born in the end of the 18th century, the end of the 1800s, I'd say,

that by the time 1970 came around, they were like 75 years old, they'd lived through like half a dozen world-ending events. And we went through one where we kind of had to stay home and couldn't travel for a bit. And again, not to take anything away from that, but we got to learn the hard lessons that they learned in a way that we came out very quickly.

quick within two to three years and also most of us are still alive, you know? And we can now have the benefit of realistic worldview and outlook and perspective. And we can take the benefit of that forward in the way that they had and built strong societies, you know, those strong men that bring good times in a way that most of our friends are still around. We have the ability to speak, you know, as we're doing right now, although we're going to speak to a lot of different ways that that's trying to be limited in the future. But we, again, I choose optimism. I think that we're at a very interesting point in history that I didn't have to live through the Spanish flu and then the First World War and then the Great Depression and then the Second World War and

then the Cold War to get to. Yet. Yet, right. I mean... This can be knock on wood. I often say, I think we're still in the good times, folks. I think for me it was actually quite traumatizing, I would say, because my parents have always been people who've looked at the world with a bit of skepticism, and I'd kind of formally critiqued them on that. And I say this a lot at Take Back Alberta meetings, but I wasn't one of those people who thought, you know, the vaccine was poisoning people or hurting people.

I was like, the thing that I hated was, I didn't want the government telling me what to do with my body. And I was like, I don't want that happening. But as time has gone on, I've had to like come to terms of the fact that they're very well maybe a truly a malicious plan going on to actively undermine the things that I value by people I mean I'm not to come to terms of it I believe that's what's happening now and that was very hard to come to terms with I worked in like the prime minister's office I was all over the place in politics and I didn't see

this coming which I think you know I think some people like oh we weren't paying attention and we didn't see this coming I don't think people saw this coming like I think some people saw it coming And just majority of human beings were just, you know, they're trying to make ends meet. Like right now, there's a ton of people just trying to make ends meet. Oh, yeah. Like, it's tough out there. July 1 right around the corner. We know it's coming with that.

A second carbon tax. And, you know, for a lot of people, it won't be that big a deal. You know, a little minor inconvenience. But where that's setting us up for here in the next seven years. I didn't used to think in the term of years. One of the shocking things about COVID, I go back to Julie Panese. The second time I had her on, I'm pretty sure. folks. I sat there and I was like, oh, you know, like, so how long is it going to last? Like six months?

And the look on her face when I said that was like, no, like years, maybe decades. And part of, part of the matrix thing of going back in is my brain couldn't comprehend a year, let alone 10 or more. It's like, what? And then we talked about Simon Esler, right, who was on the podcast and he's now sat down with Drew. And he talks about generational warfare. Yeah. Like, we're talking. talking you're like what except my mind actually can understand it now better than it could have well two years ago because two years ago I was like six months a hardship yeah you know a couple weeks yeah not a big like think of how they sold the population oh a couple weeks flat yeah yeah we what I mean we all went there yeah a couple weeks I can get behind now a couple months okay a couple

years what like what and now that you've been through it it's like yeah I kind of get it like we're signed up for a marathon and the marathon has been going on for all of human history and once you come to terms of that, you're like, all right. Okay, we're just carrying the torch forward. That's right. Yeah. So to mesh both David's views of the long game of like, this is probably just the beginning of it.

And my optimism that I'm trying to infuse into a really pessimistic dystopian world and narrative we just live through is, yeah, I don't think that it's over. I think that there's a lot more stuff that was proof of concept that got proven during COVID that can be pushed forward down the field further now that things like vaccine passports, et cetera, have been proven as concept that they can be pushed under the right crisis. But I do believe that because this one happened in the way that it did and the time that it did and woke up so many people as it did, that for those of us who are awake to it and have our eyes open and understand what happened, looking even just retrospectively at this point,

we're more prepared for whatever comes next than we would have been if we had started with a World War III. Yeah, yeah. Although, of course, World War III might have been. just been the end of the world. And it still may be. But all that, you keep bringing it back to dystopia. But what I want to ask, what I want to ask you guys is, is have you, have you noticed a change in others in terms of this perspective? Like, in terms of being aware of it. I certainly have. I think a lot of people have, like you said, woken up. But the question is, what are they woken up to? For me, I think what a lot of people around me have woken up to is, hey, the government

isn't actually just this good thing that's looking out for us. Maybe they have ulterior motives here. And I've definitely noticed people are very aware of that now. A lot more people are aware of that. But still, there's so many people that just, they want to take that blue pill. They want to say, oh, no, the government, you know, why would the government be bad?

Which is so weird if you think about it. Because look at history. It's always been the government that's been our enemy, the people's enemy. It's always been the people in charge trying to push down the little guy. When has it not been that? Yeah.

Well, you might argue the beginning of the United States. Yeah. Right? Like this was... Unless you were black. Yeah, fair enough. That's, you know, and you might argue Canada unless you were First Nations, right? Like, it's a fair point.

But democracy in a whole, or as a whole, I mean, is, you know, like, I don't need to be the historian, I'm not a historian, but the guy to say it, like, in the human history, like, it's a novel idea. It's, it was a reaction to the other overarching, you know, power structures that they'd come from, though, right? So it wasn't that it didn't exist, is that they were trying their best to try to get out of it. And so in that way, yeah, it was very original. It's still like an ongoing experiment. They call it the American experiments, because there's no other country in the world that has started from those roots and certainly has held it up for so long under the weight of everything that that human systems bring into it

upon documents that they started it with. Have you seen the, did you see the video going? It's just, you know, it's interesting. The number one song in Russia, I think right now is I Am Russian. Did you see that? No. Did you see the crowd? Oh, yeah, it was huge.

The crowd was huge. It's probably just a concert is probably what they're at, but they're all screaming, I am Russian, right? I mean, in Russian. And the pan of the crowd is like all. these beautiful women, essentially, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, next one goes to the United States and it's a, it's a drag show or whatever on stage and just people, you know, like, it's like, who wins this war? It's like, you know, when you talk about

the United States experiment, it's like, we've, you know, like, I, I, I can't believe I've come all the way back when you, when you, when you start like pursuing, I don't know, truth or open conversations, it pulls you back to traditional. thoughts I think I don't I don't know what you guys have found at the end of your rope or the end of your you know kind of lamp light of like but that's that's right I just start scraping and I'm like I'm coming all the way back to like traditional values which is insane to me because I wouldn't have thought that at the beginning of the podcast I would have thought you know I'm I don't know all the words they push on us

now would have been yeah that's probably right but now I'm like oh there's a you know you talk about malicious intent it's like who there you know it's a death by a thousand cuts at this point. Well, I think that's really interesting because it seems to be a lot of people are coming back to that, right? It's like, oh, wait, maybe our ancestors weren't these like, fools that are like these knuckle-dragging Neanderthals. Maybe they, maybe they'd thought some things through.

Maybe they had some wisdom that we need to take and kind of take forward. And it's so funny because we do that with science, right? We were talking about this on the way here. You know, Newton said, if I see further, it's because I stand. on the shoulders of giants and like we do that with science we wouldn't have what we have in science if it wasn't for building off of the past and yet we act like these values that were created by human civilization that we've kind of lived by and said well like you said traditional is the reason that's been passed down from generation to generation maybe there was some wisdom there that

we've kind of lost and some i guess wisdom is knowledge but the other thing is like they've seen i was having this discussion about eldest eldest huxley right all this huxley all this hux All this, all this, about his brave new world. Anyways, me and a guy, but he got talking about it.

And he said, oh, it's crazy they could predict the future. And I said, or maybe they were just talking about the times they were living in. He goes, oh,

that's a thought. I'm like, well, I mean, go back to the Germans. What were they trying to do? It's like, we've all,

they've seen these problems before. And that should be both unnerving and like reassuring that, you know, our ancestors had to deal with this too. Yeah. They had to deal with all these different things.

And so you go like, coming back to, you know, what our ancestors saw. It's like, well, actually, maybe they, all of us over time, fall away and have to come back and fall away and have to come back. Yeah, this is something that C.S. Lewis coined as chronological snobbery. I like that. It's one of my favorite terms ever, and it really does get to the point is like if you think that you're so smart just because you're the newest, like, you must be so dumb.

Because how many other generations of people have lived a longer life than you and you're saying you're smarter than them because you've got cars now? what did you do for those? You know, it's such snobbery. Oh, because you're the newest, you know. So speak back to David's point. Yeah, like there have been hundreds of generations of people that have lived full lives, even though the culture was different. Maybe the language was different.

Maybe the countries were different. But they were all human. They all had to deal with the same human stuff at the individual level, at the cultural level, at the societal level. And if we can't learn from them, then, man, we're standing on no shoulders of no giants. Well, okay, let's take the Roman Empire, right, or even the Roman Republic, and then go into the Middle Ages. Like, the chronologically doesn't necessarily mean it gets better. One of my favorite books, if you go to the Huxley, but it's actually called, oh, shoot, oh, yeah, the conical of Lubizowicz.

But the idea is the world goes through this cycle of nuclear war. I butcher that pronunciation, but it goes to the cycles of nuclear war. war and then civilization gets destroyed. Reset. And then it has to basically build back up and they find like ancient writings that they can kind of put together and chronicles that. And I find it so fascinating when we think about it's like there's, it's easy to imagine us actually going the other way backwards, falling.

Like we can all do it right now. It's not hard. And yet we act like that hasn't already happened to us. But look at our attention spans. Look at our memory. look at how we're processing information now. They look at the human brain of Gen Z and even millennials now.

It doesn't memorize things. It memorize where things can be found. Oh, wow. Right? Because you don't need the information anymore. You just need to know where to find the information. See, this is the difference between knowledge and wisdom. You were saying, I think, as a throwaway,

they're the same thing. They're actually not the same thing. You can have knowledge without. wisdom and you can have wisdom without specific knowledge. There is to bring, everybody loves to, it's almost like a countdown every podcast until somebody quotes Einstein, but one of his quotes was that I never memorize anything that I can find in a book. You know, if I need to go find a thing, I'll just go find the book.

What's the point of clogging up my memory with things that are just facts? Now you have millions of books at your fingertips. Yeah. All right. Sure. But the difference then between knowledge and wisdom is not, whether you know the thing in the book, it's whether you understand the thing in the book. And the difference between understanding and information is everything.

It's everything. It's why we need elders. It's why we need wise people. So this is one of my favorite quotes out of a book. And I've been quoting this now for like, and it's funny, I still looked it up so that I get it right, which is hilarious. You know, I just blurted mine. He's proving everyone's point that was. Michael Crichton, and I've said this in the middle of COVID, and I've said, and I continue to say this,

and Vance Crow somewhere is laughing because, you know, He has a book club and I joined it for I don't know what it was eight months or something and we read Jurassic Park and I remember thinking Why the hell are we reading Jurassic Park? And it's funny that I've had this I've had multiple quotes out of there stuck in my brain ever since And what the quote is is but scientific powers like inherited wealth attained without discipline You read what others have done you take the next step you can do it very young But you don't actually have the discipline and it actually equates it to essentially jiu jutsu Jiu-jitsu is that you can't inherit what Drew knows. You have to actually put in the work.

And by the time you get to the point where you can kill a man, you don't. Right? Because, yeah, maybe I don't need to do that. But you can. Scientific power is the complete opposite. You know, you have Einstein's theory. You just implement it and it works. And you go, oh, I didn't have to go through all the jumps and hoops and everything to get there.

I read that and I'm like, wow, that's brilliant. Like that's... And there's the difference between wisdom and knowledge again. Again. And this is where we sit as a society. And I think one of the things that, I don't know, talking to as many people as I have, and probably all three of us have, is you get to it at a certain point where you're just like, our elders are pretty dang smart. And their people before them were pretty dang smart. And somehow in today's world, we painted them as being, well, Neanderthals dragging their, because they didn't have cars.

And it's like, what a ridiculous notion to put out there. But that's kind of, you know, we're so much smarter. And maybe every generation thinks that. But eventually you come back to what the elders or the older generation talks about. They have so much wisdom there. And wisdom equates to discernment, too. This is one of the biggest problems with if all you know is where to find information to speak to David's point, then how do you know the information you're getting is correct?

How do you know what is true and what is fiction? How do you know what is a false reality? And this is part of the biggest problem that people have run into over the pandemic was you were being told something that you could intuit as wrong, but it was coming through experts, and it was coming through media, and it was coming through celebrities, and it was coming through government. So you have this consensus that you're fighting against your intuition about reality. And so who do you believe? Do you believe yourself, or do you believe the experts? And that is a terrifying position to try to get to and have to answer because everyone had to answer it. And most people

said, I believe the experts. Not because they believe the experts, because they couldn't actually discern what was real at that point. Discernment is I think maybe the most cutting edge of the knife of wisdom is being wise means you know how to discern what is true. But it goes down to this question of education, right? Because now why would you educate people in just facts? Why would you be like, okay, memorize these historical facts and then mark it down? People don't need that anymore. We carry that all around in our pocket. So what do we, what should we be teaching people? This is my mom's whole philosophy of education is you just teach people to love the act of learning, which is in a sense the beginning of discernment. If you don't love looking at things and trying to

determine what's true and what's not, if you're just accepting things that are fed to you, which is in a lot of ways the modern education system. But instead, if you're looking at it and, and, and, loving learning and learning is observing a thing, focusing on a thing, trying to understand a thing. If that's what you love, then you're going to get to discernment, but you're never going to get to discernment if you're being trained in an ideology, right? Because ideology is the death of doubt, right? I mean, there's a great Elon Musk that probably, I'm mentioning Elon Musk in a podcast is also a countdown moment, but he just put out a tweet, and it's a quote by Frank Herbert, the author of Dune, and it said fanaticism, I'm not going to quote it perfectly,

but fanaticism is an avoidance of doubt, basically. And I think that is really the problem that we're facing right now, and actually why this misinformation stuff that we're encountering is so dangerous, because it's not actually about misinformation, it's about you can't go against the orthodoxy anymore. You can't doubt. You have to be a fanatic. And if you're not a fanatic, if you don't, I mean, did you guys see this, I forget her name,

but the Premier of New Zealand or the Prime Minister of New Zealand, literally during the pandemic went on stage and said, you cannot believe any source of information. Ardern. Yeah, Ardern, yeah. You cannot. She was a wild one, another young global leader. And literally saying you cannot trust anyone but the government.

Anytime the government has ever said that in human history, you know you cannot trust them. Do you remember, I want to say this was 22, 2022, the U.S. tried to start a new ministry or department. That was basically the Ministry of Truth, right? Yes. And they defined three different types of malicious types of information. Misinformation, which is incorrect information. Disinformation, which is purposefully incorrect information. And they had a third category that they coined as far as I know.

and it is the most ridiculous of all three. And that's malinformation. Malinformation is correct information used to make the government look bad. No. And they categorize that the same as miss and disinformation. If you have correct information that makes the government look bad, you're a thought terrorist. A thought terrorist.

Oh. You know, I was wondering, you know, as you both were talking there, and maybe I'm, when you talk about coming out of the school system and, like, just trusting the government. I remember just a simple thing like taxes. Being a young guy earning money and seeing how much taxes came off, remember arguing, well, that's just what the government needs to operate. We get look at the blah, blah, blah, you kind of get the,

and then you have certain things in life happen. One might argue starting your own business is an eye-opener. I always go having kids is probably the biggest eye-opener you're ever going to have. And of course, David is well on his way to his first. me and Drew have had this conversation multiple times. But once you have a kid, I don't know, I don't know if it is, if you just start looking into the future, if you realize the responsibility you have, but it is a sobering thing to do to have a kid. And it doesn't, I'm not sitting here trying to say it works on everyone.

But certainly when you start paying attention what the government's doing and what they're, and then you start to see how different agencies look at your children and things. It's just like, it's so evident in your eye, you're like, you're looking at things. That doesn't make sense. and now you have a choice you can start like lying to yourself a little bit like oh it's not a big deal this is okay

now COVID put this on absolute freaking steroids right like go back to the beginning and I just would love to talk we should talk about C-11 C-18 because I hate just focusing backwards but I remember being on the ice or discussing

having kids on the ice only six with masks on and their equipment and I remember basically being like that doesn't make any sense though like even on a giant ice surface that's 200 feet long and whatever wide you're like six kids are like more than six feet apart it's ridiculous why do they have to have a mask on and like and at the same point like

they're going to be huffing them that can't be healthy oh no no it's it's fine government and things like how do you skip across like eight things somewhere in there you got to be like this makes zero sense and i was just pulling i was kind of curious what uh now this is going back to 2016 in Canada, I could probably find an updated thing, but 51.1 with children or I guess 48.9% of the population without children. So you start to understand if I think having kids is a, you know, you just don't go along to get along anymore because you can see it playing out in the people you're, I'm, I have to protect these folks. I have to think for them for the first, you know, some are going to argue 18 years, some are going to say 15, it doesn't matter.

Well, they're a dependent. You're their guardian. You're their guardian. So you have to think for other people. And 48.9% seven years ago, and it's only going down, didn't have children. And you go, I wonder how much that plays into all of this. That is an interesting point. I mean, and this is the great crisis of our age, too, right? Let's talk about Bill C-18 and C-11 because, you know, they're trying to dictate what information our children will be able to see.

Yeah. Right. But the society that we grew up at is gone. It doesn't exist anymore. Like the freedom that we had, our children will not see that unless we fight for it now. But the problem, as you pointed out, is people are being taught that having children is the worst thing to come.

Literally, I saw an article yesterday. I forget where, but it literally said, having children can deduct years off your life. Yeah. Yeah, they call it parent shaming or calling parents breeders or something like that. This has everything to do with the climate catastrophizing. Yes. Because every person on Earth is a problem on Earth.

And you're bringing more problems onto Earth. Well, that makes you the problem then, right? Why would you try to increase the population when we're already overpopulated, you terrible breeder? Well, but of course the people who call people like us breeders are also saying, well, they've got to bring the humans in the world that can become, you know, part of our society. because usually if they're using that term, they are of that alphabet soup variety, almost always, right? And it's harder for them to read. Yeah. That's true.

It's like that's where that term comes from. Even if you aren't in the alphabet's army, though, this is an ideological thing where a lot of the kids that are coming up through the university systems, for instance. Yeah, I mean, that may turn them into some form of alphabet. We could talk about the percentages that we've been seeing of that already. I think there was someone at the World Economic Forum saying that if they look between the age demographic of like 18 and 45, and they ask who among that is LGBT or Q, once they add the Q, it went from 20% to 40%. So they just keep adding enough letters to what the identities are and they've got 75 letters long. suddenly the minority of people are cis straight, homo or heterosexual, which would be the breeders, right?

So actually that is an ideological way to prevent population because pretty much everybody on that spectrum is not going to be populating the earth by definition. They are either, you know, not able to procreate. One might argue that's a good thing, right? Well, they do. In a generation, they do. In a generation they'll all be caught. But here's the problem. They're indoctrinating our children.

Yeah. Right? They've taken over the school. Well, but it's interesting because more and more people are pulling their kids out of schools. One, two, I would say more and more parents are becoming involved in schools, which I think is a good thing. I can't think of too many teachers that would argue against that. Probably like, you know, like I'm married to one and she's said for a long time, right? Like, you know, what you're talking about is like, yeah, do we want parents involvement?

Yeah, but I mean, you know, it's like volunteers. It's like, can you get parents to get involved? No, they're all so busy. and, you know, the ones that come at us, they're coming at us for the wrong reasons. Like, we're just trying it anyways. I don't need to get too deep into that rabbit hole. But at the same time, right now, there's, I just speak for this area, tons of people have pulled their kids for homeschool.

I've never seen homeschooling be this cool. I remember being a kid and being like homeschool. Asked him, he was homeschooled. It certainly is still not cool on Twitter. Let me tell you, they use it as an insult a lot. But it's funny because, like, right now it's a cool thing to do. People are pulling their kids out. They're finding out different ways.

going about right now I was told this that don't cope me on it I'm sure someone more you know into demographic stats will know the exact number but I was told one in three Albertan children are being homeschooled right now no way is it that high there's no way not Lee would agree to that I think she was saying like five to ten percent but I'm sure she would underplay it because what she was trying to do was take the money from them into the public system I would be interested this is someone told me this all right we're using the old Google machine rate Use the Google machine.

It says homeschool friendly Alberta obliging registration but providing funding has a total student population of 634,000 kids. During COVID? Not homeschool. That would be the total number of children, I would think. During COVID, Alberta's homeschooled number grew 80% almost doubling from 13,600 to 24,000. 3.8%. Okay. So not a third.

So that person lied to me. But the point is it is growing. Oh, there you go. Well, Google does it first again, eh? To speak to your... Well, I would like to see it at a third. Let's just say that we need to get it to a third. Sure, but even if it's not one at a three,

you just said it doubled in the period of three years. So that's going to be exponential. 80% doubling from 13. I can speak to Northwest School Division, which is just Saskatchez. My hometown of Hillmont is in that area, right? So it's a pretty big area. I don't know how many schools would be in there. And over the course of 200, 200, the course over two years,

400 kids left the school system. Now, could they have all gone to homeschooling? I have no idea, right? But you can kind of get a sense, like, that's a chunk. Now, I think the numbers were, and if memory serves me correct, I think it went from 12,600 students down to 12,200, something like that. But I remember thinking, holy man, 400 students, like, that's a healthy chunk of kids not coming back in. Yeah.

I'm surprised it's only 13,000. I wonder if that's just straight up homeschooling. And, well, and once again, this is right off of, you know, Google, right, right. I don't trust Google as far as I can throw them. It doesn't give me when it, August 5th, 2022 is when it says on the bottom of it. What percentage of students are I'm school? Regardless, I was wrong. I was definitely wrong.

But I think the meta-conversation that's going on here is what we're seeing and what always happens and people forget when there is some sort of action is there's always reaction, right? This is a thermal dynamical law that actually gets transposed into basically every other layer of truth. it was where there's action, there's reaction, there's balance to all things, there's yin and yang, right? And so if we see a pushing, a pressure upon a system, that pressure is going to be released in a different way. So if we talk about schooling, right? So a lot of people are concerned right now about the ideologies that are seeping in through the K through university level at this point. Well, what is the reaction to that? Does everybody just sit down and say, well, I guess that's the

way it is? Some people do, but they're not the reactionaries. The ones that are reacting are taking their kids out of school or unschooling or starting to take them to trade schools or starting to do things that are outside of the ideological bent of what they don't like. Well, look at Saskatchewan this week with Nadine Ness in a few difference

talking about Lumsden and the A to Z sex cards coming out in one of the and... With just foul stuff on it. And so what happened, they suspended planned parenthood from speaking at schools. Now, it's a week before the end of school.

A listener pointed that out and you go, they're going to work out over the summer. Does that mean they're back in, start of the school year? Maybe, but I tell you what, there's a ton of pissed off parents right now, as they should be. Because I mean, the stuff that was on the card,

it was just like, I was like, this should probably be added. Like, it's almost like cards against humanity. That's the way, and I'm like, cards against humanity has an 18 plus rating on it, right?

Like, there's some stuff said in that game where you're like, who, that's, I mean, it's not for kids. That's not for kids. No, no. Yeah.

I think another interesting, like, people are starting to realize that, that university, for example, is becoming a bit of a scam, right? Like, you're seeing male participation in university drop off, like, a cliff. Because why? I don't know if it's, well, maybe you'll call a scam.

I don't know. I loved university. Oh, me too. I love. And saying that right now, if you want a great, we were just talking about this. So in Lloyd, if you want a great paying job, just go to any of the trades. I mean, simple as that. Like, you don't need, and this was the great thing of when I graduated from high school,

Like, you want to go out and start making a great wage? Where you go? I mean, like, the jobs are just endless at this point all over again. Yeah, I skipped university. I went straight to trade school out of high school, essentially. So does that make, does that make university a scam? I don't know, maybe it does. Well, what I mean by a scam is, well, exactly what you're saying.

Like, okay, so I went to, you know, a private university and got a lot of debt out of it and had a lot of colleagues that got a lot of debt out of it. I had a plan. I was like, I'm going to go to Ottawa. I'm going to do politics. But a lot of them didn't have a plan. and they got all this debt. And, you know, they were, some of them were serving coffee at, you know, Starbucks because they had like a degree in international studies or in, you know, English literature.

And those are all great. I love those things. So I'm obsessed with them. I spend a lot of time reading about them, talking about them. But nobody's making money doing these things really. And I think that's also why government is growing because you've got all these people with degrees that want jobs. And it's like, what are we going to get them to do?

Well, you know, will this create another, you know, a layer of paper. Another bureaucracy. Yeah, isn't that the truth? Like it's, oh. It's wild to me. You know, when you think of health care in Alberta, what's the budget on it now, 20-some billion? And you're like, at times, well, not at times, our health care just sucks. Like, it's a business.

And you're like, so, so my mind always, okay, so what number do you need? Do you need $30 billion? Do you need $100 billion? What point will health care in, in Alberta be just the greatest? Because right now you're just throwing billions of dollars at a problem, and the problem isn't fixing itself. So what do we need to do? Probably need to look at the problem a little differently than just throwing money at and expecting dollar bills to, it's just like they throw that much money and it just seems to go into the added layers of bureaucracy, which is AHS. They suck it up and us and

users get nothing for it. And even the frontline workers is not like they're getting great raises or, you know, they're having better work schedules or any of, even the doctors and nurses, I think we should be paying them more. But I, and I think we should have more of them, but why do we have all, like, why do each of them have three managers or whatever it is? Well, you've already spoke to why. They're basically finding positions and making positions because we got more people coming through these systems than we need.

And they have the money. They literally have the billions of dollars to go hire these great people. It's not that they're not, some of these people aren't great. I'm sure they are. But I mean, if the end point doesn't get better, which it hasn't been. Not even close. No. Then what the heck are we doing?

And we also spend more per capita. than almost anybody else. So we know it's not spending, right? No. You already nailed it, Sean. You nailed it right from the outset. There's a quote from Alan Watts, who said that if a problem remains persistently insoluble,

it's probably because you're asking the wrong question. And so people are asking the wrong question. How many dollars? How many dollars till it's fixed? Oh, more dollars? We'll add more dollars this time. It's still not fixed. 20 years later, we just got to add more dollars.

No, maybe you're just asking the wrong question here. Like, there's a problem here that money isn't fixed. So why don't they do it? Or here, maybe we're going into, maybe we're looking at, maybe we don't understand what they're actually trying to do. Because if you go back to the people who founded and now I'm going to really, this is going to get me in trouble, I'm sure. But if you look at why universal health care exists and why single payer system exists, the people who like found the literature and I don't have their names off the top of my head, but the people who kind of came up with the idea, talking to Tommy Douglas is that this group of people who are like, we're going to do this. it wasn't about giving everyone great health care. It was about redistribution of wealth.

Period. End of story. They even say it upfront. It's about redistributing wealth. So you create these jobs in the health care system, and now suddenly you're taking in these tax dollars, and you're creating these employees. And look at Manitoba. Half of the population,

the working population of Manitoba works for the government. And once you have half of the people working for the government, it's pretty hard not to go down that socialist track because you're talking about someone who's voting against the pay raise, basically. Yeah, well, we've had this argument lots, right? The scary thing about how big government's getting is it's just like, well, all of us voters think we're so like, you know, oh, we know, but you don't vote against yourself. So like you bring it up perfectly. If the UCP, even regardless whether or not this is what they were going to do, if the perceived notion is they're going to come in and cut all the jobs,

And you got a job. Why would you vote for that? Well, it's probably why the UCP won, because at the end of the day, a lot of the oil and gas workers are like, I don't want to lose my job. There's still enough of them here in this province. Isn't that right? In Calgary, they're like, well, at the end of the day, I remember how bad it was for those four years.

And I met a lot of those people talking to them who are really worried about the NDP winning because they do have an impact on a certain group of people's jobs. And actually, I believe it was David Staples. I had a really good article on this where he said, rural Alberta voted in its best interests, right? That people are like, oh, they're all so redneck and all these different things. Like, no. The UCP was campaigning on policies and ideas that will benefit rural people.

And I would argue the whole province. But the point is it's pretty obvious, right? Where is our energy sector located, rural Alberta? right? Where are, where, where, where's actually most of the wealth of Alberta? We're Alberta. You might, you might argue that with almost any province. It's probably, usually, historically, it's the opposite. Really?

But in resource-based places. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that makes sense. Here's the, the political nerd that David is. Let me ask this. And they probably don't like this because this would take away, if you control the money, you control, you have power essentially, I assume. Why would they...

So we've all seen the image of Ottawa milking Alberta, right? But I look at Emmington and Calgary and I go, they kind of milk rural Alberta. Absolutely. The same way. So like, why wouldn't Alberta, if you pay tax in Lloydminster, for instance, all your tax dollars stay here and you pay into what I don't even know.

There could be a percentage go, but the majority just stays, so it doesn't have to go through a level of bureaucracy. to come all the way back because that's all it's doing right it's doing the same thing that ottawa does to us we do in our own province because you think about it then if lloyd let's just say had tons of great things going on people move to that because they want to live in those types of neighborhoods they want to live where things are being ran extremely well and if people don't like it they move away and with them goes their tax dollars because the tax dollars go to the new community

where they reside and i go gee that makes way too much sense and it's probably why government wouldn't do that then. Well, I'll think about how many fewer jobs there would be in the bureaucracy, for one, right? But you look at all these companies in the, like, just ask a company in Lloyd right now. I can't find one that isn't run off their feet, don't have enough employees, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There'd be work. It wouldn't be whatever their other person's doing.

I don't even know what they're doing, but I'm sure that it would be jobs created. Take Lloyd. If Lloyd all of a sudden had a boom, right? All the money's going to stay and they're going to start building all these things. What's going to happen? jobs. I mean, it's just simple. It just wouldn't be in Emmington, it'd be in Lloyd, but Lloyd would grow, or a kid's gutty would grow, or Vermillion, or just go down the line of all these towns where their hard-earned

tax dollars would stay there. What would that do for a province? There's kind of a bunch of different arguments on this. If you actually look at the numbers, rural communities in Canada are subsidized by the cities, because population-wise, roads, what do you call? What do you go? A lot of these local municipalities can't have. But that is because of what you just described. They don't have the tax points.

So it has to go to the province and come back. But population-wise, for certain kind of things like hospitals, other things, often the local community doesn't have enough money. Again, if we had different tax points, that could change. But what you're describing is actually Peter Loheed's vision for Alberta. No kidding. He wanted the rural communities. I don't know if I thought that up myself, folks,

or if I'd listen to Peter Lawheed in my sleep, it's possible. But he wanted the rural communities to flourish, which is why Alberta has so many hospitals in these little communities all over the provinces, because if you don't have a hospital, then it's pretty hard for people to stay in a local area. Schools and hospitals, you kind of need those two things for a local community to flourish.

And I think that's what we need to get back to. In fact, my vision for the future of government is the decentralization of government down to local government. because then you have competition. If we can go back to Red Deer and Lethbridge are competing for, you know, people to come live there. Or, you know, Lloyd and Bonneville are competing for like who where's the best area. And local places can offer a lot more because they have those tax incentives, because they can, because people can come there and they can set their own corporate taxes. Imagine that if a municipality could set its own corporate taxes just to draw investment.

like it's a race to efficiency, right? People say it's a race to the bottom, but it's not a race to the bottom because the problem is, we know this in basic economics, taxation creates dead weight loss. Taxation creates a lack of productivity because it increases the price.

And supply and demand is dictated by price. So the higher the prices, the less people that will have demand for it. But if you raise the price artificially through taxation, you're killing off that, that sliver of demand that would be there if the price was lower without taxation, which is the whole theory behind the carbon tax, right? Well, that's immediately...

I got Chris Sims coming on next week for the listener, because, I mean, obviously July 1st, we get her second carbon tax, right? And I remember having her on at one point and her saying, and actually it's a good thing. And I'm like, well, do explain. And she's like, well, because some people have been dodging it out, and she was speaking specifically to the Easterners, and they're going to get it hard.

And once you start paying, you're not going to be happy anymore to go along to get along and save the planet and all these different things. When you see it make your life become more difficult, and as it becomes more difficult, people become motivated. And once you're motivated, we get a new government.

And then maybe with a new government, we get out of some of the spiral we're in of like, we're just going to transition everything, and we're going to tax ourselves into living hell, and on and on and on and it goes. And yet we see these constant yapping voices in the mainstream media about climate change, right, because of these fires and everything that's happening. And people are going on and on and on about the existential crisis we're in because they're trying to create a belief system that would make the people who are seeing their price of gas go up and the price of food go up be like, well, I've got a sacrifice for the earth. I got a sacrifice for the cause.

Yeah. This is an effect of something that David brings up all the time that is simply a truism, and everybody is certainly on the political side knows this, is that politics is downstream of culture. So what does that mean for the politician? Does he just wait for the culture to tell him what to do, or does he try to engineer the culture? This is the false loop that happens where... Engineer the culture. That is the workaround. If you want the people to tell you what to do as a politician, What have you told them first, seeded it into their mind through media, through celebrity, through all of the propaganda systems that they've perfected over the last 200 years?

And, you know, you could go through gerbils or whatever propagandists literature you want to figure out the psychology of how to make people think they thought the thought themselves, subliminal messaging and everything else to the point that's like, well, we need to save the world. And look, this thing that this carbon tax is going to save the world, I'm going to turn my heat down in the winter a little bit and feel good about it. that's not the culture talking. That's the politics talking through the culture. They've inverted it.

It's marketing, right? At the end of the day, this is sales, right? What are they trying to do? They're trying to get people to want something that they don't even necessarily need or want or makes their life worse, right? But they're marketing ideas now to people through algorithms, through all of these things. And this is what C-18 and C-11 are all about.

It's about... Even more of that. Well, they claim, and that they've, like, I think you said, Drew, on the way up here, you were like, man, I don't admire them, but like, you have to kind of get them props because... It's sophisticated the way that they've set it up. So they've done it in a way that not only gives the government that's benefiting from it, the benefit in the end, but they've done it in a way that scapegoats, who's to blame?

They've obfuscated it to the tech companies. So for people who don't understand, I'm not going to really go over C-11 because people have beaten that one to death, and unfortunately, it's here already. But C-18 just happened. It just got passed and it's just awaiting royal assent right now. So this is one that is on our doorstep that we don't get to kick back anymore and we have to get prepared for what's coming. And basically what it is is, so they've had this guy,

the heritage minister of Canada by the name of Pablo Rodriguez. Great name. It is actually a great name. Dude, yeah, he sounds like Pablo Escobar, to be honest. But he has written up this bill, C-18, that basically says, Well, traditional media is dying, and we all know that. So what are we going to do? We're going to bring it funding, and how are we going to bring it funding?

Well, most media right now, call it 50% of media right now, is on social platforms or Google or meta or Twitter or, you know, some sort of platform that's third party that gives them free distribution to a wide viewing audience to bring them to their articles. Clickbait, essentially, is the clickbait culture right now. but that has become the only real lifeblood for these old dying forms of media. Like we got to get people to click from social onto our site so that we get some sort of ad revenue. Well, Pablo said, I'm going to write this bill so that, let's take meta, for example, Zuckerberg's baby. You're on Facebook and you are the Globe and Mail, and you put an article that clicks, a link that clicks to your article on their page. Rodriguez would say through C-18, you as META need to pay them a bit of the ad revenue that you're getting for them being on your platform.

Now, this sounds like it is an altruistic, socialistic workaround to get META to pay for and fund media. And so this is the sophisticated trap. If media, or sorry, if META says, no, of course we're not going to do that. we're not going to pay you for posting something free on our site that gives you traffic. Of course they're going to say no. Well, now Rodriguez can say, well, you are actually stealing from the journalists. You're stealing from them because you're making money off of them, getting clicks through your site, so you should owe them some of that money.

It's such a pernicious knot of logic. It's like, imagine this is my favorite analogy. So imagine you're walking into a grocery store. And at the beginning, when the door is open, there's a bulletin board where people can put their posters up for like selling puppies, piano lessons, whatever, and there's little tabs that you can pull off at the bottom with their phone numbers. Now imagine that the people that there's a law now that just got past. If you post something on this bulletin board, which is free to post on, and people walk past that and see your post, maybe they pull a tab off too. They go in and buy

milk and exit. And the law says that $2 of that milk goes to the person who's selling puppies. That doesn't make any sense at all. That's an extra purchase. beyond a free post they got to get business from. They should be so happy they got to post something for free to get business through this traffic machine that they didn't have otherwise. But this is the obfuscation that's happening because he's presenting, if you look in the mainstream media, they're making it look like Zuckerberg and Elon and Google. Are the bad guys? They're saying, no, we will not pay journalists for their work.

Zuckerberg is bad in a different way. And Google's bad in its own way, too. That's not the argument. The argument is that they are over. money being the journalist they're owed money because it's being stolen by these big tech giants and they're trying to make it look like this is an altruistic thing when really at the end of the day what happens is the government gets to They know that that meta wasn't going to call their bluff and so meta has already come out and said once C18 happens actually before C18 happens We are no longer going to carry news links on any of our platforms for anybody in Canada for anyone in Canada for anybody in Canada for anybody in Canada For anybody in Canada.

So what that does, in effect, by the end, is it means that government gets carte blanche over the news. Because where are you going to get your news? Well, it's not on meta anymore or Google anymore. You're going to have to go to the news, the cable news or the newspaper news. Where are you going to get it? Well, at least 50% of it that was there is just simply not going to be there anymore. And so in the end, who wins from this?

The propagandists, because they've limited the parameters of where you can even get the news. And this is the best part is they made it look like it was somebody else's problem. Well, and let's go a little deeper here because, as you've said, there's the government-funded media here in Canada. I mean, as Elon likes to joke, you know, the 69% funded CBC, we know by government. But here's the interesting part. The alternative media that is challenging the government,

that is challenging the narrative, that is challenging the propaganda, they don't get money from the government. No. And so they get all their money from, at least half of their money, let's say, from social media, from the traffic that comes through. Yeah, it's a double-edged source. So it puts mainstream media in a position that is they don't have to worry because they're getting funded from our tax dollars. Here's what Blacklocks reporter. I got a lot of time for Tom Corsky, Holly Doan.

They've been on the podcast lots. And if you don't know who Blacklocks is, which I think most of the listeners do, but they're out in Ottawa. And they, you know, independently, they're, you know, independently, they're. They're not funded by the government. They're the only one in the press gallery that can say this, and they do work. And I just had Holly on, and it blew me away that they only have two full-time employees, and that's Holly and Tom. Like, it just blows my mind.

Here's one of the things they put in their release on Bill C-18. The bill rests on misrepresentation, specifically that. No Canadian newsroom thrives without federal intervention. Failing newsrooms are victims of cruel circumstances. Federal intervention helps little publishers. intervention is fair and effective. Intervention will save democracy. And then they put, these claims are false.

Because they've proven you don't need federal intervention. They are small because, I mean, they aren't this giant thing. And over and over and over again, federal intervention makes the problem worse, not better. So it's just, it's this big giant organism we have of state media, because that's basically what it is. State funding. And it's going, we're failing. We need help, right? Instead of just letting the thing crater and be done with it so that, you know, you can get something new out of it because that's what's...

How do they engineer the culture if they don't have the only avenue into the minds and hearts of their citizens? This is the problem they're most concerned about. It's not that their baby is dying. Exactly. It's that it's their baby because it allows me to the hearts and minds. Well, then here's a question for you, because I've been pondering this now for some time. Let's say the conservatives went. Okay.

Next election gets called, whenever that is, they went. Does Pierre Poliath do away with the CBC? or does he go, well, we can find, we're going to minimize how much we donate to it or fund it or whatever we're calling it. And we're going to keep the CBC around because you think of the arm of power the CBC was once upon a time, or he's just done with anything. But it's not for conservatives, right? Because the thing is when we say state funded, we're talking about the state. All I'm saying is it's like the ring of power. I don't think, you know, to bring in Tolkien again.

Harper can never use it. Everybody says they'll get rid of the state. ring until they have the ring and it's like the CBC is a giant organism and it's like yeah it's talking but if we push on them a little bit cut their funding bring in a few better minds can we start to change the outcome I'm just curious you say Parker says no well I think the biggest mistake that Harper made was not defunding no was not getting rid of the CBC because you know if it's it's it's all it's the perennial conservative problem if you think of yourself as a fiscal conservative and it's that you don't

want to keep growing and spending taxpayers money. You got to starve the beast, right? But the problem is if you're the guy coming in and saying you're going to starve the beast, what's the beast going to do to you? Look at the coverage that Harper received from the CBC. It was atrocious. He didn't, I think it was a complete opposite of what Justin Trudeau gets. Because he was, but Justin Trudeau get, he came in and he gave way more money to the CBC. So they know where their bread is buttered and it's not by conservatives. So at the end of the day, I think you, if you're a conservative, you've got to kill the beast.

And it's mostly because it's become, it's not natural, right? It's not natural anymore. It's like, what is cancer? Cancer is cells that won't die. Right? Any natural, like, Fox, we're watching kind of the death of Fox News right now, right? With what they did to Tucker Carlson. Yeah.

They're dying now. And in the free market, when a business makes mistakes and they piss off their customer base and they die, that is the natural order of things. just like in nature, you know, when something gets too big or, you know, old or slow, it dies and something new comes. And we've already seen this. Like, I don't even, what, you probably know these numbers better than I drew, but what is the viewership of Fox News at its peak compared to Joe Rogan? Yeah, yeah, who was I talking to this about recently? So the numbers that I heard was at the same time. Oh, I remember it was RFK was talking about this on Joe Rogan's podcast.

He said that CBC, or sorry, CNN, prime time was getting about 355,000 concurrent viewers. 355,000. At the same time when Tucker Carlson was the main show on Fox, his viewership was 4.5 million. So we're like however many X at that point, 12, 13X, the difference of CNN. Whereas when Rogan brought McCormack, it's, on at the end of 21, that show did over 40 million views. Well, and McCullough, Malone, when I interviewed him, I believe he said his ended up having as high as 100 million views.

Yeah. On Rogan. On Rogan. And it says, it says decentralized media. Yeah. It says 11 million per episode is what Rogan is getting on Spotify. That's averaged over all of his communities and scientists. You know, when we talk about how are your numbers doing?

It's like, well, average about here, right? Yeah. Rogan is no different, you know, as a, as a podcaster, he's no different than any of us. His median is just different. So when he brings on somebody who hits it out of the park, RFK, it's going to go that high. It'll probably be the most listen podcast of all time. And then it comes back down and it hovers around, you know, 11 million. That's a pretty good day, you know?

And then he'll hit it out of the park again and it'll do this a little bit of heartbeat. The difference is his heartbeat over time has gone to astronomical levels because people work craving for who knew long-form conversation where people actually talk about some things and you know are they right all the time no but people get that it's like they don't think the population can go like that doesn't make sense you listen to all the doctors and all the COVID people on rogan or me or Drew or or David or anybody doesn't matter you'll start to see inconsistency's like that's strange why do they see and and and people are perceptive like that especially in two hours they'll call somebody's bullshit right but the government doesn't think that's

population is smart or something. It's wild. Either way, it doesn't matter. Rogan's media. Maybe they think they are smart. They don't want them. Or maybe smart. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, they want to build a culture, fair enough. Cultivate a culture of workers, not thinkers, right? Yes. This was explicitly stated than in the 1920s. We want a country of workers, not thinkers. To speak exactly to your point, why, what is the difference between CNN, Fox News, and Joe Rogan? The difference is clearly the inversion of where the, the culture is coming from.

It's the grassroots up from Joe, whereas it's the top down from the other two. Well, look at Joe. He was brilliant and moving away from YouTube. And you think when he was doing it, I was pissed at him because I'm like, you get set in your ways. I just liked Apple.

I just liked YouTube. I just liked. Moves to Spotify. I tell you what, if that wasn't a brilliant stroke of genius. Because, you know, I've heard lots of people say this now. You know,

and we were joking about this before we started, you know, like I got back on YouTube. And then four hours, later they removed me again. I'm like, I haven't done anything. That's a shot to the ego. And I heard a guy out of the state say, you know, we've all sold a bit of our soul to remain on YouTube. And I'm like, well, I didn't sell any of my soul. I'm actually not worried about being back on there. I know Joe Rogan could give two shits about YouTube. And he gets speak freely

about it. If you are self-censoring, man, you're in a world of hurt right now because that would be zero fun. But weirdly, uh, Jordan Peterson's still on YouTube. It is weird. I do not understand that one at all. He had one demonetized here recently. Well, him and RFK got removed. That podcast got yanked. Yeah. Well, that's the second one then. You think it's interesting to see what they deem unacceptable.

Because the one big one that I had, I mean, certainly McCullough is the thing I got yanked again. But at the time it was Chris Barber. It was the Freedom Convoy. As soon as it was like, bang, gone, everything. It's malinformation, Sean. That's correct information that makes the government look bad. Yeah. Well, I mean, so RFC.

You will basically get rid of anything that government reports is from what I'm. I can tell. RFK is a wild one right now because if you haven't listened to him and Joe, like that's a wild interview. They don't even heck talk about him running for the Democratic. Barely at all. Like it's barely at all. It's like his story.

I can't really handle his voice. I'm not going to lie. I tell you what, I sped it up. And after about an hour, it just becomes, that's not so bad. Like, I mean, honestly. Every time I put it on my wife, it's like, I can't listen to this. This is horrible.

Just listen for the information, though, because the man is so well-spoken. if it wasn't for the quality of his voice. Well, FDA is 45% funded by Big Pharma. Yeah. Like, man, as soon as he said that, I'm like, oh, man. Like, I'm reading this book right now.

I'm reading, uh, Real Anthemite. Real Anthony Fouchy. I've been putting it off. I've had so many listeners, he got to read this, got to read this. And I got to stack folks of podcasts and books. And finally, the book club's like, why don't we read it?

All right. Yeah, let's read it. I mean, like, geez, it blew my socks off with him and, and Rogan talked about. I can just imagine what's in a 24, our audible book, right? Like, holy dinah, that's a mountain and a half.

Yeah, 40% you said, hey. 45. 45. You want to hear a crazier number. So let's talk about Big Pharma itself. Pfizer, for example, is probably the most well-known of companies right now. Their budget, their gross budget, 75% of it is advertisement. That means 25% of it is the business.

That's your R&D. That's your laboratories. That's your trials all of that is 25% of their entire business model is convincing people they need this or convincing people to turn a blind eye at the regulator It's funny you know how can we how can we get that you know you know I'm making fun of us but how can we get people more More knowledge on what we're doing and more sight line to see all the strong new apart I've rent is so many people who are you and how did I know you weren't there? It's like well I don't have 75% of my budget going there and even if I did that would be like not even a splash in the bucket of what Pfizer and them are doing like how many billions of dollars that is it's like me and two's joke on the matchup all the time you know what could we do with a million dollars when we when we basically are running on a

shoestring budget and I was joking with it we had like a quarter of the percentage of a quarter sorry of the viewers that CTV had on the Alberta election it's like and we we ran off of no budget it's like no advertising just off of grassroots word of mouth people fall on along and wanting something different. It's like, man, if there was ever a time to put a little bit of money into that sucker, now would be the time. Because people are looking at it going like, there's something better there. We just need to know about it.

And they don't know about it. And the thing is there is better. Like we're starting to see that. I love it. Like even just how long ago you started yours five years ago now? Well, four and a half. It'll be five years in February 2020. Four.

Cool. So not even five years, right? You started yours, well, you started originally. And I did my first podcast, 2019, was a really true fiction. It was about books, right? And like the truths you can find in literature and stuff. We all just started this. And it's become a passion for all three of us.

I'm not doing it as much as I would like right now. But like, you guys are doing it full-time gigs, right? And people love it. People are coming to you. Like, I've seen people come up to you at so many different things. oh, I know your podcast, and you, I can barely walk into a room with you. Oh, yeah, that's not true. That's not true, folks.

Everyone's like, oh, I want to get a picture with you. Once again, that's not true, yes. But the thing is, that's just, like, what are we doing? We're just having long-form conversations with people. We're talking to some of the most extreme people on the planet, which we're finding out or not extreme at all, that just have, like, common-sense thoughts are frustrated with, their government or some of the systems of thinking out there.

They just contradict the narrative. And by contradicting it, they, you know, like, what was it? What did, what did Pierre, Corey just tell me? Basically, but he didn't realize the war he went into. And it's essentially it's over the, what's the word I'm looking for? Not over-the-counter drugs. Oh, off-label drugs. He said, I just didn't realize the war I walked into.

I walked into this war that's been raging for, you know, decades. he said, as soon as I entered it, they destroy you because they don't want it to be credible for off-label drug use. In his mind, that's COVID. In a nutshell, they found out that Ivermectin worked and a whole bunch of other ones. Ivermectin, of course, my listeners know all about it because we spent a long time talking about it. And there's a whole bunch of other ones.

And he goes, I just didn't realize that this has been going on forever. And RFK talks about that lots. He talks about a lot of different things in the medical world. But what is that? That's a big farmer again. And they have 75% of the percent of their budget. is going to making sure that people know that they're the best and that they should turn to them all the time

and they have all the answers. It's the magic pill theory, right? Everyone wants the magic bullet, everyone wants the silver bullet, whatever you want to call it, that fix. People want things to be fixed without work. But I think all of us have learned

the only way you get something meaningful from life is work. Well, it's been, I was saying to you guys, you know, you shower me with praise with people walking in and knowing who I am. funny. I probably have the, I have the coolest, if ever I was famous folks, I'm, the, I got the best one, because if I don't talk, nobody knows who the heck I am. As soon as I open my mouth, lots of people are like, hey, recognize your voice. They don't even know who I am.

They're just like, what do you do again? I've got that too where people walk up to me. It's like, it's weird to hear your voice in person. Yeah, which is cool. Ah, shit, I lost my train of thought. It doesn't matter. Well, the thing that's, I would like to bring up here too is the power of what we're doing you want to hit it I want I just wanted to finish my thought I came right back in because one of the the cool things I've been watching you to and I've said it to you directly is been um you know the first time I had you on uh it was good by the second time I've had you on it was better by a full year later pretty much well not quite eight months later of you going down south coming back on I'm like Drew's really gross like that has been an impressive you know like

wow you know you can see what happens when you start working on yourself so I go back to your like consistency working grinding it out you can see the progression people can hear it like it is it's not hard especially if they're listening all the time like oh that's like see them go i mean mr parker do we have to say anything more i mean people saw it firsthand with the election in alberta and all the different things everybody saw how hard they continue to attack you it's it's wild you know they think they think getting you on a couple sound bites where you're talking about you know what they deem to be extreme is allsin's going to sink you except it's like they're forgotten the last three bloody years.

It's like, folks, in the mainstream, how would you go out and do some digging and find it what people are actually thinking and showing up to? Everybody's staring at what's going on and going, this is wild. We need to get to the bottom of this. They don't think that's extreme anymore.

Either way, you shower some praise on me, and I'd look at the two of you, and I'm like, well, I mean, it's pretty, I think people can see it, right? They're watching all these different characters play out. And when you put in the consistency of work and, like, being there every day and like showing up and you know I'm talking podcasts but I mean in general you reap what you sow and the reward of that is like your hard work eventually amounts to you know

maybe it's a little bit hill but the hills slowly get bigger I don't know where that leads well let me tell you something here you brought up the the point of sound bites right how people are taking people's work out of context and small sound bites and that becomes the news or the story or the narrative right now what is the difference again between things like CNN and Fox News and Joe Rogan or what we do is we're doing what is natural to people we're doing the grassroots thing we're having conversations people ask me sometimes how do you do so many podcasts a week I'm like do you not have a conversation a day like it's actually really easy this is the natural mode for human interaction it's very

more natural than reading more you know it's unnatural though small sound bites taking like one or two lines and making that a thing. Now, why is that the only thing that the establishment does? Is it's because they're trying to force the culture from the top down. And you can't do that with lies, but you can hide lies in small sound bites. You can't hide lies in long form conversation. So we're growing stuff from the grassroots up with truth and authenticity that can't be faked, whereas they can only fake it from the top down, therefore they have to keep it in very small bites that they can hide the truth in. Well, and that's the funny part is I've noticed they never bring up my podcast. They never talk about it. They never reference it. And it's like,

you're giving them an idea right now. I have hundreds, I have hundreds of hours, right, of me talking. And the people that have listened, I didn't have as many fans as you guys, but I had hundreds of people that would listen to every episode. Those people, they never, never skipped a beat, right? And I think that's where Rogan's power comes from and where the power of this medium comes from. Because eventually, what are they going to do? Well, I always say you want to find it, like any gas. you get them talking for two hours. I'm not saying they can't fake it.

They certainly can. But if they do that enough, eventually you can start to pull out inconsistencies and people will, and they do, and then they just point at it, say, well, that doesn't make any sense. And then people ask them about it, and they either talk directly to it or they dodge it.

As soon as you start dodging things, you're on a slippery slope of going right down the old shitter. Right? And so the long-form conversation is really, really, really interesting. Because you can feel out, Rogan does it all the time.

Like, you can listen to his interviews. are fascinating how he does it. And you can just get, like, I didn't listen to the full Cortez. I just couldn't, I just couldn't do it. But I listened to a chunk of that. And I'm like, he just doesn't breed somebody I want to like, the conversation doesn't go like, this is it. It's like, no, you listen to RFK.

And although you've got to get around his voice, what he's talking about, you're like, huh, this has got a lot of meat to it, you know, there's a lot to this conversation. And that's the interesting thing about Rogan is he'll have people on that you don't get a lot of meet and it'll still talk to them for a couple of hours but by the end of it you're like I'm I don't find this person interesting but you'll have someone on like someone else like you said RFK and it's like wow like well I always show so I got the quote on the wall right whatever time it's act like you're trying to save the world Joe Rogan so I put that up in the middle before I ever started full time it came off listening to him and Annie Jacobson who wrote a book on operation paperclip and I thought it

was going to be a fascinating podcast it was dull as I was just I was mad at Joe half the time because he hadn't read the book. Now, as a podcast guy who does as many other they do, now I'm mad at myself because I don't read all the books. But it was funny. I was just irritated with Joe the entire time. And then he gave in a three minutes spiel about how you can, you've screwed up if you haven't, you know, if you haven't taken risk early on in life. And how, you know, if you're an older guy and you got kids and you got a mortgage and she's going, no, you can't get out of that. And he's like, oh, no, you can.

and then he goes on this rift for three minutes. It's the most boring podcast at that point, and it becomes the one thing I put on my wall. I'm like, it's hilarious. So there's lots of times that, you know what, I don't know, maybe Drew or maybe yourself, David, you could talk to it like, I've interviewed a lot of people where I've thought,

I don't know if that was a good interview. I don't even know if that was a good conversation. And people will pull a minute out of it and say that was one of your best interviews I've ever done. And so I try not to think like that anymore because some people are just in different stuff, stages of life and they need to hear certain things and different guests can bring that out different conversations can bring that out you know uh I had one of my most impactful conversations lately

which I guess isn't really that lately now it's probably a couple months ago now geez how time flies but it was Josh Allen and we I call him the cowboy preacher he gets talking about the Bible he talks about Jesus for two and a half hours for certain people that was like the most impactful interview ever but I'm careful about that because for a few who are loyal listeners As soon as, you know, he got going, it's just like, I've been down this road. I don't need to hear about it for two hours, and I turned it off. I was like, hmm, that's interesting. So for some, it was the most impactful.

Others are like, I can't do it. And I've had, like, Boyd Anderson comes to mind. The three, three, ah, dang it. He's the numbers guy. I'm going to butcher this a little bit. Boyd Anderson, one of the most wild, like, I don't even know if I should release this, you know? And once again, shout out to Clay, because he's like, you've got to come interview Boyd. And he has this, like, wild freaking story where I'm like, this all can't.

be true and some people turned it off after 20 minutes and others said it was the best podcast ever done by far and I need to bring them back on to like have it and you're like I can't predict what people are going to say you know you just have to enjoy it just have that's the conversation yeah and everybody's got something different to offer people like you know there's so many of it they always go you ever going to run out of people to talk to him like no there's nine billion of us like how am I going to ever know like actually the more I dig the more gold I find in Alberta, let alone the rest of the world. There's so many interesting people out there. And all you got to do is bring up COVID. And they come out like crazy.

Like I got an interview coming up, Amalaga Francois, who went to jail for 108 days. It's the longest I've heard of in Canada. He's originally from Cameroon. And for not wearing a mask, if I recall, in the courthouse. And he wouldn't sign on to what they wanted his stipulations to be in. So they just left him in prison. Wow. And I'm like, the deeper I dig, the more you find a, these gems of people that have been standing up in their own ways. For not wearing a mask. Across Canada.

It's wild. Meanwhile, murderers are, uh, yeah. Yeah. It's, I mean, it just shows, I mean, I just go back to where we started with the, you know, like you can have the most mundane podcast. And at the same time, people can give you a lot of gold out of there, especially for wherever you're at in your life, because not all of us are on the same trajectory. Some have been staring at the media, Sarah Palin, since 2008.

ain't knowing like, frick, I'm not getting a fair shake, right? Like, you know, others are just waking up to it today. They're literally going,

oh, right? And it's not a hard, it's a hard road for six months, maybe a little longer, maybe a little shorter. And then it's pretty, uh,

pretty freeing to be honest. But what would you say? I think, Drew, you and I've talked about this before, but I think it's the best thing that ever happened to me. Mm-hmm. I think,

like making that decision to open my eyes. Now I feel like I'm in a community of people that, I, you know, can respect and have some, a camaraderie with. But more than that, once that's happened, once you're being honest, and Jordan Peterson talks about this a lot, once you're really like grabbing hold of that truth, right? That, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to not lie, no matter what it costs. Actually, it ends up being some of the best things that ever happened.

You'll have some of the best conversations of your life. That's the easiest thing to say about it. Like, I mean, from that point on, you just like, you know, like, I don't, know how many dull days I have anymore, you know, because like, certainly if it isn't you two strolling in, it's somebody else. Well, one day I was sitting here, and I had a guy from BC walk in, after four guys drove all night to get the man camp from Manitoba. And then I had Brad Olin, who was a guest, fly in, and I'm like, this is, this is like getting a little insane, isn't it? Like, this is my life. This is all these people flying in and moving around, and like, you've created

this world where, you know, once again, you go, best decision in life. It's like, well, you know, has come with its fair share of heartaches. Yes. But I mean, that's life. And some of the most thought-provoking crazy days have come from the choices that I've made over the last couple years. I mean, you're a guy, like, weatherhead here. It's a guy who, like, you know, I'm going to leave in October again. I got my four kids.

Going down south, yep, going to do some podcasting every day out of the seat of the truck. And, you know, like, and you're like, What a wild ride you're on. I was talking to David about this yesterday because there's some days where whatever we got going on feels like a grind. It's something you don't want to do. Maybe you're starting to procrastinate a bit. And I was telling him that I went to a factory of a company that sponsors me through Jiu Jetsu in Maine in the U.S. And they're called Origin.

And they make everything in-house. Their whole ethos is American made. And I mean right from the cotton that they use to spin the wool on their own looms, make their own fabric to make their own stuff. Everything is sourced from the U.S. Very original in that way. It doesn't happen very much anymore. And when you walk into their factory,

which is like a 300-year-old brick building from like Maine is very old world looking, you know, and there is a banner right above that you cannot miss in large print letters that every employee sees when they walk through to go to their sewing machine every day. And it says, you get to do this. No, it says we. We get to do this.

And that changes the mentality when you're, when I think about, oh man, I've got to get a podcast out and it's going to be like 1130 tonight before I get that out and I'm going to have to stay up. I'm going to be tired. I'm going to be sore the next day. And I think I get to do this. Like I don't have to go do something that I really hate. I don't have to be out in the cold of winter, you know, working in the oil field in a way away

from my family to make enough money to try to come back and do it again the next day. No, I'm actually, I'm podcasting on the road with my family in new locations with people I've never met before, interesting people I never would have been able to talk to. And I get paid to do this in a way that I get to do this. And to be able to transpose your brain like that is, I think it's a superpower that the sooner you can figure that out in life, the more autonomy, freedom, and gratefulness you're going to have no matter what life throws at you. Yeah.

I mean, yeah. Yeah. It's pretty wild to think, you know? Like, not everybody's cut out for podcasting. You know, podcasting just seems to be the thing, obviously, us two talk about because we do it so much. But, like, there's a ton of people out there when they put all their energy into it. You know, it could be running a bank for all I care, right?

Like, I mean, I've been throwing this out there a lot. And obviously Brett Olin coming in and chatting with me, you know, there's a ton of conversations going around right now about starting a bank. Oh, yeah. Should we just start a bank? Should we just start a bank? I'm like, I don't know. I don't know.

First thing about banks, folks. Don't come to me. I'm like, I'll facilitate the conversation because I'm like, well, we saw what went on in the last couple years. Yeah, maybe we should. And for somebody, that's going to be their dream. And they're going to be all about it. You've got to find those people.

Those are the people that you want to be around. I asked who's this question a couple of mashups ago. because I share, you know, at 10.30 at night or 1130 at night, you're like, I've got to put out a podcast. So I drove all the way back from Sarah Payling Canaanians for Truth event, got home at one in the morning and realized it was Monday morning and I had to have an episode out in two hours, which it was there. I just hadn't edited it. And I was just like, well, it's got to get done. Like this has been the mentality since day one. My wife would be like, just leave it a day. And I don't know why. I have no idea why the podcast does this to me. And I'm like, I can't leave. it a day. Like it has to be every day.

Or not every day. It has to be when I say it is. And so if I say every day, it's every day. If it's not every day, that's fine, but it's got to be scheduled. My rest of my life doesn't work this way. Now, I'm not saying I'm that horrendous, but certainly I don't know what it is about the podcast. Is that what it is? Like, is the podcast for you, Drew, that's the one thing in your life? Or is this multiple things? Do you have anything? For me, it was TVA meetings. Like it was like, I'm a pretty chaotic individual.

like pretty, I guess, creative is a way of thinking about it. I like to be like I imagine things and I live my life very fluidly, but when it came to TBA meeting, he says, I can't miss it. It doesn't matter if I got married three days ago, I've got to go to Grand Prairie and, you know, do that meeting, right?

And I know exactly what you mean. There's something when you really love something. And I've seen this with people in the oil field. Like, while you say, you don't have to do that, there's some people who just love getting on that rig. It's like their ship. I always thought of rigors. It's like the modern day sailors.

Like they just love to go out to sea and just like do their thing, work hard, bring home the money. My brother's a heavy duty mechanic. He does this seven days on, seven days off thing and he absolutely loves it. Now, he's got a good setup. He's able to do it from like he can come home every night now. Like it wasn't always that way, right? And it's funny.

Like, if you really love something, you're not going to want to miss it. And the thing is when you really love something, I don't know if it's like this with children. I'll find out soon. But like, you're willing to make sacrifices for that thing. And a sacrifice doesn't mean it's pleasant. It doesn't mean it's pleasant, right? It doesn't mean that it's like something you want to do, right?

Like you didn't want to stay up until three to finish the podcast or whatever, but you love it. And when you love something, you take care of it. And I think we need to think about that as our society too. Like we've kind of gotten this mindset where we look at our society and we're like, someone needs to fix this. I think what I try to tell everybody. Everyone is we need to fix this. Yeah, I use your, you know, politics isn't a spectator sport.

I use that all the time now. And fixing this, you know, you look at Danielle Smith. You look at whoever you want. No one person is fixing this. It takes society to take hold. And this is why Jordan Peterson has been so influential in my life. It's like, clean up your room. And if you can do that, maybe you can work on your house.

And if you can do that, maybe you can, you know, better your family. And if you can do that, maybe you can move on to your community. And if you can do that, maybe. and you go up the stairs and you're like, or at least that's how my brain looks at it. Because you can't just all of a sudden be at the top. It's like you don't go fix the world. And I don't even know if that's a good goal to have.

And saying that, he started his group arc, and that's, they're trying to combat Wef. I mean, like, it's like we're living in a Marvel movie or something, you know? Avengers Assemble, right? Yeah, it's kind of wild. But, I mean, you come back to the simple. ideas everyone can go home and start working on themselves today it's it's a battle way of yeah have to have absolutely because here's here's the problem if you

don't work on yourself somebody else is working on you for you and that's just the fact of the matter there's there's the old idea of no man walks into a river twice because he's near the same man who walks out or the same river that passes passing here and this is the thing change is inevitable this is not something you can avoid so if you're not the one changing you who's changing you And that's not a rhetorical question. There's an answer to that every single time. And you need to realize that if you aren't the one sovereign enough to take hold of your own life,

somebody else is going to do it. And they will. And they do it all the time. And this is the obfuscation that happens at the level of society, where you have an inactive and apathetic society. Well, does that mean that politics just carries on does your will for you anyways? No, of course not. You're just, you're seating over the power that you had as an individual that gets multiplied at the level of a society to those who are active within it,

those who are willing to take up the mantle and have the time, maybe most of the time, they're not there for you, they're there for them. And if you aren't there to give counter pressure to that, they're going to run away with it and they have. This comes back to to answer your question, Drew,

do you have other things in your life that you find this type of passion? I'm going to guess Jiu-Jitsu. No, actually, I wasn't going to say that. But you could apply to that. I have a Jiu-Jitsu page on Instagram called Because-Jews. which is a meme page. It's the largest of its kind on planet Earth. And it's a weird thing to say,

but I am the king of the tiniest, ridiculous, most hilarious niche that exists, which is jiu-jitsu-specific memes. But it's the biggest one in the world. Now, the thing that I decided right at the beginning once I knew that I liked doing this, not just that I liked doing it, I really enjoy making hilarious memes that make people laugh,

is I decided that I'm never going to miss a day. Every single day I'm going to be playing. So every day you have one? Eight years and I haven't missed a day. Think about that. Now one day. Now that's cool. It sounds impossible to anybody who's like I couldn't do that for that long.

No, you probably couldn't, which is why I'm the best in the world at it now. But that's not to pat myself on the back. That's to give you a clue into how you can do something like that for yourself. It's two part. There's two ingredients to it. And you can't go as far as I have in it without both of them at the same time. One is the passion for something that you would rather do anything than, okay? This is what I talk about in my book, The Mind of the Ants, right?

There's something that's true to every person that if you didn't have obligations, what would you rather be doing right now? Not like, oh, I'd like to play this video game for a half an hour because I haven't been for the last week. No, if you had the whole week to do something, what would you do? And people, it's like, like, I put it out in the book. If somebody were to give you $100 billion, what would you do? For the first while, it would be a hedonic pleasure cruise of all the things that you couldn't do because of the lack of money. But after that point...

We're coming back to that. I want to know what Parker would do. Anyways, I know exactly what I do. After that point, what do you do? If you can answer that question honestly, you've found the thing that is going to most motivate you any given day. You're not going to have to procrastinate. You're not going to want to procrastinate. It's a thing you wish you could do more.

Okay, so that's part one. That's ingredient number one. Find your mind of the ant. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, go read my book. I'm going to go. I'm not going to go into that. It's a chapter long, okay? But it's important is to find the thing you most want to do in life.

You don't have to be convinced to do. Everybody's got something like that, sometimes multiple things like that. Find one of those things. Now, the thing that actually makes it activated in a way that you can do it consistently for eight years without skipping a day is exactly that. Consistency. You tell yourself, this is not negotiable, okay? It's not only the thing I most want to do, but when you're at, home at 1 a.m. and you know that you have to get an episode out, it's not negotiable. You didn't

even have to convince yourself. You already know, I'm going to go do that. It's not even a question. So find the thing that you most want to do and make it non-negotiable. You're going to have absolute guaranteed success over the long run, period. It's not up to motivation or inspiration. It's just what you do, and you're going to love it. I have two thousand. Absolutely. I would also say that it's kind of like going to the consistency is kind of like going to the gym you're building a muscle and listen when that little voice says to you oh maybe we should just go to sleep in eight years in you're like i don't even know is it mike tyson fighting a peasant you're like you should go home it's like uh no thank you i'm going to get this out i'm not going to lose it today thank you

i have an eight year track record exactly this is a streak that i'm not losing yeah so so to the first person I would say like when I first started podcast I didn't realize it was going to be like that I had no idea when I released my first one that I was like oh now I got the next Wednesday and I got the next Wednesday so like and I'll go back to episode two this is how quickly it comes on you when you start something I released episode one I just got in the studio with Ken Rundersbert I said like let's just record something I'm just like I've been waiting four months of this we built the studio and I'm like I just wanted okay so we did it and he was you know I can say this now I think Ken he was like I don't know if he was mad at me,

but he was like, I didn't realize it was going to go out and be your first episode ever, right? We just kind of off the cuff, just started talking, and it's not a great first origin story episode, but for me, it's like I was so eager to get it out. Then my second guest,

and I can't remember who it was, but they couldn't make it. So I literally could have just went, oh, no episode this week. Instead, I called my dad, said, hey, you want to bail me on a situation? And so he came in and did it. And then you start doing it and over,

and now you get to the point where, you know, the only time in almost five years I missed an episode was for the 38 days after Ottawa it's the only time that's the only time I've ever taken a break and I don't want to take a break some people are like oh you need to take time away and I'm like I don't think you've realized what I do I mean don't get me wrong I certainly need to spend time with family and different things like that but like this has become you know I remember talking to a marathon runner and he talked about how much you ran every day I'm like

but I kind of get it because like it's a healthy addiction that's that's what it is. It's just you've found something that motivates you at one in the morning to be like, oh, I just got to get it out. Like, there's no choice. Like, I can bitch and moan about this, but like, it's not going to solve anything. It's going out. I'm going to, I'm going to finish this. But I'm curious, if you had $100 billion, I think that was the number, what would you do? What would you do? Do you know what you do? Would you go on pleasure cruise? Is that the first thing that popped to your mind? No, I think for me, it would just, I would just use those resources to to build the freest place on earth. Like, I'd do what I'm trying to do, just with,

more resources, right? Like, get more human freedom, more human agency. I know that probably sounds too noble, but it's true. I mean, and the way I would do that was try to destroy the world economic form and things like that, right? Like destroy our enemies because that's what I love to do. So basically what you're saying to me is you're doing what you're doing. Yeah. Right? To me, the question almost actually builds in a little bit of confidence I'm on the right track because my initial thought was I'm like if I had a hundred billion dollars I'd be walking in rfk's office and being like here here's a hundred thousand to your charity of your choice I want a conversation with you and hey Jordan Peterson here's a hundred thousand dollars I want and I would

just do that over and over I build the guest less I want yes right I'd be like you're not going and if they said no I put it on to I'll be like listen this guy doesn't want to come on and have a conversation I'm gonna I do what Joe Rogan did to Cortez yes yes yes yes yeah sorry Peter Hotez why I keep saying Cortez I don't know what I got in mind. But I do that over and over again. And I just build it to guess. Money's no object to me.

I'm literally. And you're like, I'll do what I'm like. At that, I think you hit the nail on the head, Drew. Sean found the thing that he loves that he will do over and over again. And now the consistency is non-negotiable. Yeah. Well, the consistency is just easy. It is.

It's just easy. You don't even think about it as consistency. It's almost like a natural jerk reaction. You guys are making me feel really bad about, I got to get back on my podcast. Consist. I'm not being consistent on it, yeah. The thing is, is not to persuade you away from your podcast, but what you said is that you didn't go,

I would be going podcast, and you said, I would be doing exactly what you're doing. Yeah, right? Like, I mean, which means you're doing, I mean, and the podcast can be part of that.

And again, how easy it is, is it at that point to wake up and say, I get to do this. Yeah. We get to do this. Yeah, right? Yeah.

Like, that's pretty cool. Either way, I've appreciated you guys coming in. This hasn't not disappointed me. I didn't know where we're going to go with all these different things, but, But, you know, me and Drew always, you know, when you're doing your travels, we make sure to have you into the studio.

It seems like once a year, right? So to have you get both come down. I'll have to return the favor, you know, I guess Calgary now. Yeah, yeah. Like Cowtown, I guess, you know, I don't know. I wasn't expecting it myself, but, you know, here we are. Well, thanks for making the way down here, boys, and having a conversation. And, well, we'll see where the future leads us all.

We all know it will cross pass again at some point. but appreciate you guys coming in and doing this. Yeah, pleasure any time. Oh, I should do the, you know what? I'm skipping over the Crude Master. Final question, I got a couple extra minutes here before you for sure have to go. And that's brought to you by Crude Master Transport. Shout out to Heath and Tracy McDonald for, I don't know, being along for this ride.

They've been along almost since the day one. And that is, it's been a new one here. It's what's next and how can we help? What is next for Drew and we as in whether it's me or the audience? Is there anything on the horizon? I don't know, another book, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, well, I do have a book that's out right now. I am writing a second one right now.

Are you really? I am. I should have known that. I'm about 15,000 words in right now. I'm trying to put in, again, consistency, trying to get between 200 and 2,000 words a day, just making sure I'm getting something in on it, and that is a work in progress.

But what's to come? I'm going to be going back down to the States in October, and I'm hoping that this is going to be the last time, to be honest. I'm looking to settle my family down on some land and I'm looking at Alberta right now. And this was something that was up in the air. I think we talked about this the last time I was up because I wasn't sure which way. Well, the last time we chatted, the election hadn't happened yet. It was a week away, right? So I was going to say that there's a major point of contention whether or not I want to plant roots in Alberta again, where I got uprooted by the last government. So I feel confident that I have not only just four years of window to set down here, but that there is enough good that can happen. that time. You know how happy that makes me? Because you remember our first conversation where we did

it in person and we argued about I don't think the fighters, the strong men should leave. You need to stay in fight. That's compelled me to be honest, Sean. I've thought about that many different times over the years since that conversation because I've had to, I had some very honest conversations with myself. I wasn't pleased with my answer. I felt like a coward's answer. Well, and I don't think, actually, I thought you gave a great answer. I was like, hmm, I have to think about what you said. If listeners go back and listen to that, I thought the answer you gave me was like, huh, man, he is right. Like, you know, like, because we, you can't.

It was a dark time in history. We didn't know if this country was going to fall to tyranny. And I didn't want to have my family there for it. It makes me extremely hopeful for the future when you're contemplating, sticking it out here long term. Because I think the more people, and you know Alberta is attracting that right now. Oh, it's more and more and more people. Although it's horrible for people trying to find housing.

I got to say, I, Lloyd Minster's open, you know, I'm just saying. You know. Yes, true, true. Everyone should come to Lloyd Minster. Hey, and how people can help, I guess, is just follow my podcast, a social disorder podcast, buy my book. Those types of supports and sharing the message out there,

you know as a podcast or shares or everything, man. That's how the network grows. That's how the word gets out. And, I mean, all good things start from the grass roots up, and it just helps, you know, water the soil. Well, I'll give final word to Mr. Parker then. Well, we're heading into phase five of, take back Alberta. So we'll be doing five meetings a month, one in each region, so the North,

Edmonton, Red Deer area, or Central Alberta, Calgary and the south. So maybe come to one of those meetings if you're in Alberta. Where for for people around Lloyd, where is it? Is it Bonneville? So there's going to be Bonneville. I might come to Lloyd if we got a meeting going here. But I just, I'm limiting it now down to one a week and then one week with two just because with the baby on the way in. Yeah. You know, I can't really be doing 78 meetings, you know, in two months. As a father, you've got to balance a life is utmost importance with kids, especially young ones.

And also like the longevity of the project, right? I don't want to be burning myself out and having to take some time and I'm running at it again. So that's going to be big. And then I'm doing, I'm going to be hopefully relaunching the Canadian story. We'll be doing that again. But the biggest thing that people can do to help is for me, to be honest, is every time I see someone actually get involved in their democracy again.

I feel like everything that I've done is worth it. I've watched people like show up and get on their library boards. I've watched people show up and like run for school board. I watch people and I'm like, okay, there's hope, right? You said, you know, that you decided you wanted to come back here to Alberta and I was done with Canada before the trucker convoy, to be honest. I didn't really, and I'd given a lot of my life to this. country. So when I see, you know, my fellow citizens taking their democracy seriously, because I

know that's what it's going to take. So I guess it's asking you to all take responsibility for your society and not treat it like a spectator sport, because honestly that's what keeps me going. That is 100% what keeps me going. I never thought I'd end a podcast like this, but you keep mentioning hope. And yesterday I read in Romans, this is a little bit different than how it was written in the Bible I'm reading, but anyways, but we also glory in our sufferings because we know that suffering produces perseverance, perseverance, character, and character hope. And when I read it, I was like, man, some of the stuff comes out of the Bible.

I'm like, I've seen it like done in different forms, in different books, in different, like, you know, like really historical figures where they talk about. I'm like, oh, wow, that's a profound thought. And then I read it in Romans, I'm like, or it just came out of the Bible, you know? Like ridiculous. Well, Western civilization. You know, like just super cool. I don't know.

The word hope seems to be thrown around a lot lately. And, you know, when I read that, you know, perseverance, character, character breeds hope. It's like that, honestly, true movement. Yeah, him coming back. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To me, I see a lot of hope in the horizon. And either way, appreciate you guys coming in doing this, and I'll let you get out of here now.