Shaun Newman Podcast - #466 - Charla Sebastian

Episode Date: July 19, 2023

Mother, wife and business owner in Lumsden SK. Charla had a son in the Grade 9 health class that was shown the A-Z sex cards. We discuss what is happening in the schools and finding the confidence to speak out. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Patreon: www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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She's a business owner, massage therapist, a wife, a mother. I'm talking about Charlotte Sebastian. So buckle up. Here we go. This is Charlotte Sebastian, and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast.

Today, I'm joined by Charlotte Sebastian. So first off, thanks for hopping on. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's been an interesting, as everybody can tell if they're watching. I'm sitting on holidays right now. I'm sitting in the old office or kind of office. Anyways, it doesn't matter.

We're not here to talk about that, but a little different look. And I was kind of laughing about Lumsden, Saskatchewan, small town Saskatchewan. was, you may know this, Charlie, you probably do because you're friends with Henry, but you've got to go back all the way to December 27th, 2021. That's how long ago him and Jamie came on. Yeah. It seems like a lifetime ago.

And then not that long ago, I had Leah Meyer on from an EA from Esther Hasey. People will remember that episode 453. And it just seems like, you know, I feel like I'm not going to be talking to small town Saskatchewan people, and they just keep popping up and you're no different. So maybe we could just start with a little bit of your background, Charla. And then, of course, jump into a whole bunch of different subjects that are now probably new to you, but, you know, I've become conversation of the water cooler, so to speak. For sure. Sounds good. Well, I'm a massage therapist for 24 years in Lumsden and I live outside of Craven. I have a 15-year-old son and an 18-year-old who just graduated son as well.

And yeah, I am new to this whole realm of speaking, and I just feel compelled to, I guess, say what needs to be said and speak for people who feel they may not want to or can't or what have you. We've just recently had some interesting things come up at the end of the school year. And I just feel like the last few years I stood by and didn't say a lot of stuff. And now I'm just ready to speak because I don't want to stand by anymore and just have something to say but not have a voice. So here I am. You know, it's funny. Of course, for people, like, Like, Lumsden, before the last, like, month or two, you know, I probably could have joked about Lumsden a few different ways, and certainly I'm no different coming from small town, Saskatchewan, you know, Hillmond isn't exactly on the map.

Right. But, of course, over the last, you know, like a month, a little over a month, or maybe a little under a month, you know, Lums been put on the map because of the material that came out in a grade nine class, the A to Z sex cards. And, of course, listeners of the show will recall me. and two is walking through them and then going, oh, we should have put like an R rating at the start of this, you know? Like, it's pretty crazy.

It feels like a bad game of cards against humanity or something that you might play at an adult-only dinner party. Instead, there sits in a grade 9 classroom. Walk us through. Yeah. Honestly, you know, one of the things I said to you, Sharla, before, you know, when we first talked, is I'm like, I don't know. I don't have a, I got little kids. And certainly when you read it,

news story, you know, they talk about, oh, that it was on a secondary table, that only one kid asked about it, that it was an LGBTQ, that they were just, you know, these resources are for them and, and blah, and the story goes on and on, and I can rattle off about eight different news articles on it, but regardless, you're a mom that has a kid in the class and certainly knows the area well. Yeah. So, so, yeah, about a last three or four days of school, of course everybody's busy with year-ends and wishing everything was done so everyone could carry on with summer. It came out that our grade 9 class in Lumsden High School had planned parenthood as presenters come in for health class to discuss HIV, consent, and sexually transmitted infections, which was good enough. You know, that would seem normal to me.

It would seem like the thing to do. You know, it sounds like good sexual education. However, we did not have any knowledge of them coming in. Our class teacher sent out a email saying that they'd be having a frank discussion on sex. And if there was anybody who had any issues with that, they should email him. And I thought, well, I really don't if those were the things that were going to be spoken on. And he listed those things off as what they were speaking on, did not mention Planned Parenthood. There was no consent forms saying that Planned Parenthood was coming in. And typically there's a consent

form for really absolutely everything going on in the school. So it was just odd that we didn't know they were coming in. And truly, I don't know if anybody would find it very concerning that they were coming in. Everyone would just go, oh, okay, well, that's okay. All things considered, though, there were two different classes that they spoke at, and my son was in the second class. The first class went, I guess, maybe more uneventful than the second one. The first one was more timely, and they did not have time after their presentation. In my son's class, there was 15 minutes extra after. And at that point, they had some props on a side table that they had set out.

One was the A to Z sexual cards, which have literally A to Z, and there's a term for each letter of the alphabet, as well as a kind of a cartoon-type picture, and then an explanation of what each of those are. And there's many interesting words on there. There was also some pamphlets that were entitled, Safer Sex Guide, and it was about, when I printed it off, it was about 50 pages, and they had one of those for each of the kids in the class. So at that end of the discussion of their HIV, sexually transmitted infections and consent, which was their focus on their speech that day,

they one of the presenters handed out a couple cards to two different boys in the class and then they took some of those cards and spread them out on side tables for the kids to come and have a look at it's interesting Sean because I have one depiction of it from my son and there was another gal who spoke with me at the alumsden town hall meeting and she had another whole different um picture because her daughter who saw something different than my son, everybody has kind of a different story around it, you know. So I kind of am piggybacking on what she has told me as well, so I can get a little bit more to the story for you. So there, of course, the boys in the class are a little bit different than the girls. They make fun of it and kind of yell, well, Zagnet, what's that? Ha ha. And they're laughing because even if you're uncomfortable, you kind of don't want to show that. You want to think, make fun of it or make light of it. However, I think some of the females were more,

I'm not going to go with the extent of traumatized. Kids nowadays are exposed to a lot of stuff. And I'm no prude myself, I'll say, however, the vulgarity and the adult content and the depiction of these props were pornographic. So for instance, different stuff on fisting and sadism and masochism and peeing on people and scat play. So crapping on people. Well, the one that sticks out, the one that I'd written down, you know, I went back and listened to the mashup when we talked about it because we read through, you know, I apologize to anyone, I should have put a big warning at the start of that. But not to this, to the mashup, because we actually read through the cards and one of them was, one of them was felching, right? Because everyone's like, oh, the cards, you know, the ones on the CBC news article or even global are like, you know, the letter B bisexual and all they're all upset about that. It's like, nobody's upset about that.

Nobody's upset about that. What people are upset about are felching, half and half, the Iromaccio, urophilia, Zagnut. All these things around, I'm like, I'm a grown-ass man, and I'm like, what the heck is that? Right? Like, this is a bit insane. It is. It really is. And I think it was shocking, actually.

I just, uh, um, my son. Okay, so back to the story. So they're looking at these things and, um, you know, my one friend, she said her daughter was really quite upset because girls are thinking their first sexual experience is not going to be something fulfilled with these types of things. It is, I think, shocking, I think it's scary, I think they were nervous and all with that teacher present in the room. And I'm not about throwing teachers under the bus.

It's really not what I'm about at all, quite frankly, but I just am one. I have so many questions around that. Just, you know, what was he thinking? Was he concerned at all? He didn't interrupt. He didn't say, you know what? What's going on here? What is what are these props? Hey, I just, I think I better have a look here. And even backing up a little bit more, them coming into our school with a box of stuff, I guess people are just going, well, it's Planned Parenthood. What would they have in there? They just have a little bit of information. They have, um, they have. a few things. Maybe they have condoms for the kids. Maybe they've got brochures about disease. Who knows? Nobody really had a big look in there because if they did, I'm very sure they wouldn't have wanted those in front of the children. And I mean, I'm going to just go on a wing and a prayer

saying, I'm really hoping that they wouldn't have wanted that in front of the kids. My son wore a hat, a ball cap that said, Fernie Brewery on it one day. And he got in trouble for that. And we When we're using such language like the F word and full on pornographic content that is really for adults, I just don't see how we can allow that in the school. In public school, when you are just having a grade 9 health class going to discuss things that are pertinent to their age. So here's the boys making fun of it because they don't know what to do. The girls are kind of freaked out because they're going, what the heck is this? And the teacher's sitting there going, I have really no idea what he was doing.

But I'm just wondering what the point of this was when he sat through it the first time. And maybe that was just uneventful. And then this time, this is all breaking loose in front of him. So there's commotion in the class. And he's just wanting to calm it down because he's realizing the boys are making fun of this. and the presenters are handing out one of those safer sex guides on everybody's desks. Now, within that, it talks of certain things like disease. It does talk of certain, you know, the how to put a condom on certain sexual activities,

which include some of the things I've already mentioned, like the scat play, the peeing on people. but I'm talking like bondage, and I'm talking things that are just not appropriate for 14 and 15-year-olds. When you are talking about sexual acts that are in the realm of kink and porn, to me, absolutely, absolutely does not enter the public school realm of discussion. and there are so many people who seem to think that that is actually okay. And then there's people who just think this is a one offer and they're like, yeah, they made a mistake. And I'm like, well, they packed their box to bring in that room. They knew what they brought in there. And then they showed the kids on purpose.

Charlotte, do you think people are okay with it or they haven't read the material themselves? You know, if you read the, once again, I go back to the different news articles. If you read the Western Standard, it actually showed a few of like the images where you're like, oh, man, that, and they picked out, you know, one of, one of, like, Zagnutter, I can't remember which one they picked out, but they picked one of the ones where I'm like, what the heck is that, right? You know, like, uh, uh, in my day, and I assume this is still a, thing, you go to the urban dictionary and you look up, uh, something, and you're like, oh, okay, well, that's, that is about as strange as it gets, you know, I grew up in a hockey

dressing room, uh, lots of things are said in there, you know, that you kind of chuckle about and you're kind of like, oh, okay, right? But you go to the CBC, the global, the, the, the, the different newsrooms like that. And they look at it and go, you know, I even read the official opposition in Saskatchewan. So, oh, yeah, it feels like it didn't have a place there, but I haven't actually looked at the cards yet. And I'm like, you're the official opposition. Why wouldn't you read the cards and go like, oh, this is like, this has no place, you know? So politicians are even funny because they haven't read the material.

So if you just read the CBC, you're loyal, you think, ah, what they're reporting on is factual. It looks like it's an attack on kids learning about the LGBT community, the fact that people are uncomfortable with that already, and there's a whole bunch of, we could go down that rabbit hole, but you get the point, and that's how they frame it. But when you actually read the cards for yourself, I have a hard time believing anyone, any parent can defend, well, I'll say it again, felching, half and a half, Eirmatio, Europhilia, Zagnut, it's like, come on. Let's get real here. There's a whole bunch of stuff. And then you mentioned the material handed out, the book or pamphlet, I guess.

You know, like once again, safe sex and all the different things. We can argue what age kids should be exposed to that, certainly. But there's things tucked in there. Like you've already mentioned, the kink side of things, that it's like, I don't think it's healthy for an adult relationship, let alone teaching it to kids. And so you go back to how much of those parents who are going, oh, it's not a big deal,

are actually looking into it and have read it and went, oh, because it's pretty hard to freak and defend when you read through a bunch of it, you're like, this is messed up. Like this is messed up. Absolutely. I agree 100% with you. And I do think that that is exactly the case. There's so many people just watching what comes out in the news.

And you're right. Our government currently did not address it. There is the small amount of, well, the education. minister did put a small pause on Planned Parenthood coming in for the summertime to school as well it's summertime and there's probably not a lot of stuff going on during the summer so so that really was just kind of a little washover to appease the group I think real quick because that's about the only thing that's really been done about this and I think I think you're absolutely right people just look at what they see on the news they downplayed it immensely um it's

did look like the kids were the people that were like stealing cards and doing this and and and that plan parent who was was the victim in the situation which is absolutely ludicrous. I do think that people have not read them fully and they just look or glance at what was shown and and and but honestly really look at them and read them because it is it is appalling. It made my blood boil. I literally could not sleep that night thinking, what am I supposed to do with this? Like, who do you go to? And I think this is the big problem right now is, well, it's summer. People would rather just sweep it under the rug and go, you know what? They made a mistake. Let's just, let's just have summer. And it'll be okay by the time

the school year rolls around again in the fall. But I, I in my gut, I don't believe that. I just, I can't believe that this was a mistake. The school is usually diligent in making sure about the stuff that the kids have awareness to, stuff that comes in the classroom. To me, it's like, who approved this? Who got the, who said this is okay? Number one, okay, plan parenthood. And then what is the curriculum?

What does this, who said this was okay to come into the classroom? And then too, I just don't know why the teacher himself couldn't have just made a talk on that and why we have to search for outside sources in general. Do you want, you know, you've lived through the last three years and certainly you have your stories from COVID and everything else. But I wonder, the way they frame it at least, and I could be wrong on this folks. So please go in and read some of the articles for your. But the way they kind of frame it is an attack on the LGBTQ 2SL Plus community. And I truckle of that, once again, so that's the way they're going to frame it.

So if you're the teacher sitting in the classroom, you've got planned parent today. You've just been through three years where you're, even if you have your own thoughts, you better not say them on kids basking and different things like that because, you know, to do that, we've all lived it. You're pretty much ostracized from society. So I just, when I hear it, I'm like, you probably was just like, I'm uncomfortable, but, you know, like, this is, they're experts and, you know, they, they, it's like, no, you're a grown ass man and you're teaching a class. You're in a position of power. You should probably just be like, oh, let's maybe leave this out of the equation, right? These kids don't need to. But so many people are trying to find their voice, Charlotte, I guess is what I'm, what I'm trying to get around to. Even yourself, you know, before we hopped on, we were talking about, you know, you didn't think you'd be, ever be in this position where you're sitting here talking to me or or you know you've you've been to live events now where you've had to share this story. Maybe let's talk a little bit about that.

People such as yourself trying to find their voice and how uncomfortable that is because certainly I don't think you saw this in the cards a year ago, let alone five years ago. Yeah, absolutely. I think, I think, yeah, I, I think, yeah, I, yeah. I am a person who likes to speak her mind, and yet I'm not one to speak in front of people, per se. I have been in front of people. I've done some competitions where in which,

when COVID broke out a couple years ago, I was actually going to a fitness competition in Toronto that I went to, and then it got canceled the very next day. Like when you mean fitness, just so I'm, like we're talking like, like, Bodybuilding.

Bodybuilding. Thank you. So let me get this straight, just so I'm clear, because, like, you worry about talking in front of people. I would worry about being in my speedo in front of people. I'm like, ah, folks, I don't know about you, but I'm like, that terrifies me, right? Yeah. So to be judged on your physical attributes is an interesting thing. I guess I'm surprised you'd be so terrified of speaking when you've already been to competitions

where that, you know, you've worked. I actually don't know how long it takes, and we can certainly do. jump into some of that. I want to kind of try and avoid that because I want to talk about you speaking to people. But like, I mean, literally you're going in front of people on stage where they're like, you know, it's poses and it's your body physique. I don't know. I don't even know what all the judging material is.

But to me, I'm like, that's terrifying. Like, if there's a terrifying thing, that's terrifying. I think what it taught me, actually. I've had many, I've had a few times on stage with it. And I was going to a national competition for the first time and then COVID said everything. down. So just to touch base a little bit on that, I've had times where I've had full on panic attack on stage because I'm confident in doing all the work it takes to get there, but being present on stage where people are judging you and even speaking in front of people, it's kind of the same realm.

You can get used to it, the more you do it, but at first it's very, it's a tough one. It's a tough one, unless you thrive on that. And that's not really my type of thing. So I think what it has taught me is to just breathe and get up and do what you know, say your peace so that people can hear you because there's more people like that. Even in the competition world, you know, you can get up there. But if you just have a little pang of anxiety, breathing is huge so that you can get through it. because you're there for a purpose.

Same with this. I'm here for a purpose. I have a lot to say, and I just think it's going to be more tragic if I don't actually try to help people. So many people have come up to me and are just thankful that I'm saying something. So that's inspiring.

I like to compete. I like to do things for myself. I'm in the health. I'm in the business of health doing massage therapy, I have a lot of interest in that realm of stuff. But this too, I just feel like it's time to stand up and it's time to say something, living through the whole realm of COVID and knowing that there was a lot of, there was a lot of people trying to just split groups up and turn people against one another

and living through that was a very hard time. It was really odd. It was so to have that disconnect and have so much canceled, have life just put on hold and live day-to-day in this fight-or-flight realm of like, what's the next rule, what's the next thing, what's the next? I just, I kind of gained courage from that in some fashion, because it was, that was a hard time. It was a really hard time for me. It was a hard time to be made to stop working at my job, which I'm very connected to, very connected to my clientele and my people,

small town, small realm, love my job, hard to just get through the daily next rule, the next thing, my competitions canceled, like I'm home the next day. You just felt out of sorts, right? So I think I just gained more courage to say something and do something because that was such a hard time. And then you can see how this has trickled into the school. Some of this, you know, I'm not here to like down anybody in the realm of transgender, your sexuality, your anything in that nature. but it's been really trickling into the schools. And this was kind of just like the be all end all of a big smack in the face. Whether it was intentional or not, whether it was just made to come in at this time or not,

I have no idea. The point of the matter is I am just absolutely not going to not be a voice now. I will do what it takes to bring awareness to people because people just have to be aware and you have to be aware of the truth. And the truth of the matter is this is a kind of a direct attack on our kids. And if you don't see it like that, I don't know what else to say. It is, the content is just beyond belief to me. And so people really need to read it for themselves and really understand that this was presented to 14 and 15 year old children. You have been doing some talks in front of people.

Have you had people disagree with you? Yeah. And what was their argument? Yeah, I did recently, actually. In Strasbourg, we had a talk and, you know, people came out. They want to know what's going on. Grandparents want to know what's going on with their grandkids. And small town feel.

People just kind of want to know what the deal is. and they like hearing it from somebody who has a child right in that class so they can really have an idea. There were a couple of people that had come out to that meeting and a mother and a young teacher. And he had mentioned that he stood up and he had said, you know, I'm a teacher and I, you know, I found out this stuff on my own. I found out this stuff on the internet. If you have the internet, you can find this stuff out. so what does it matter? And I just, I wasn't super prepared for that, Sean, actually.

I got a little bit nervous because I thought, okay, we're going to have a little bit of feedback to this. Okay, okay. And so I just took a moment and I thought, just remember what you're here for. Just remember that this does not belong in public school. And so him being a teacher, which is what he said, I don't know him. I don't know if, you know, his background at all, but this is what he had said. And he said that this was just kind of normal stuff, that this is out there, that this is around,

and the kids can find it. And I don't disagree with that. The kids can absolutely find it. There is more than enough stuff that they have access to nowadays. And so I just said to him, you know what? bottom line is nobody had a choice here those kids didn't have a choice they were in that room they were with a teacher who in their school they felt they can't just get up and go if they didn't like it if they were uncomfortable so they're a captive audience there and we as parents had no

idea so what it does is it takes that choice away takes that choice away from parents it took their choice away from wanting to be there or not. And so whether or not people know these words or not is kind of irrelevant. It's like you can look up anything nowadays that you want to know granted. But we did not need to introduce this type of terminology to them in this class. This does not belong in public school. And I think that's the absolute bottom line. Like I don't see how any of this. When our kids can't go around swearing, our kids have rules and regulations there, but we can just blow in and expose it, like have this big exposee of pornographic material. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to parents who go, you know, what is this

coming to? Where does this end? Where are the lines to be drawn here? What are the rules? What are the boundaries? What are the regulations anymore if this is how it is? Like, I'm not denying that kids have access to a lot of stuff. I'm just saying we don't need to throw more in their face. It's beyond unreal to me. I just, and then there was another gal who spoke up, and she said she's a mom, and she is a 14-year-old, no, sorry, 15-year-old. And she thought it would be completely fine to just read these out to her,

and this was whatever. And I just said, you know what? Again, I'm not here to tell you how to parent your children, but honestly, we're just still putting this back into where we started, which was if you as a person feel like that is okay, that's whatever. This is public school, and we need to have people informed of what goes on before you make that choice individually for your kids. And I don't know a lot of people who are going to agree that this is the right topic and the right realm of education that we want. our children at that age. Yeah, here's the thing.

We all know this now. With the ability of the internet, you can find whatever you want to find. You can find rape on there. Is that okay? Right. We're going to teach kids about that? Right.

Right. Like a public school division, public school system, sorry, is there to teach, you know, a lot of different things. Certainly there's a reason for health class, right? I don't think most of us would argue that, right? Yeah.

But it's also a place of, like influence and like showing oh that this is okay like imagine having a group all adults around and saying that you know all these different things are okay well and the reason we teach them it's okay is they can find it anyways it's like wait yeah you moron they can find it yeah we don't have to show them that you know here's the key in and just run away with it right like they're at such a young age that you know I well and they're vulnerable Sean sorry to interrupt you but they're vulnerable right so so that vulnerability and when they feel that they have this

adult person who's their teacher that's supposed to be in there looking out for them, protecting them, making sure. And then this feeling of uncomfortable like, what is this? What's going on here? Because they're not stupid. We got to give them some credit, right? These kids are going, what is, they know that this is wrong. They know. There's no other area in school where you're learning math, science, critical thinking, where you're, supposed to be doing school projects. And then this just floods into the atmosphere right into the room, right under their noses. They're going, what is going on here? And why isn't he helping us or saying something? And how am I supposed to feel about this? And they know not to be rude. They know not to, you know,

they're just sitting there dumbfounded as well. Like honestly, how can how can we expect them to feel comfortable in that classroom. And then that just brings this distrust into it from the parents' point of view, from their point of view. And when there's no set boundaries or rules or things regarding such content or just actions on the school's part, on who they bring in to present, on what goes on in general, what do you expect kids to do? What do you expect them? What do you expect from them? And how should they feel? So they have a distrust and they have a vulnerability that's been targeted and it's not comfortable now. It's going back in the fall is going to be weird. Let's face it. Yeah, well, and here's the thing from where I sit. You know, once again, I got young kids. That doesn't mean that I'm,

I'm not paying attention of what's going on because I certainly am. They're going to have to walk through it. And compared to when I was a kid, you know, you can't live in the past, but, you know, I remember health class. I remember health class being like extremely uncomfortable with a condom, let alone everything else, you know.

But in today's world, we were just having this conversation about, you know, and different parents are going to have different thoughts and when you give your kid a phone and what the purpose of the phone is and everything else. But the truth of the matter is, you give them a smartphone and they have any access to internet the the endless topics they can find on there is endless it is the internet folks and so like you know so we sit my wife and I we said we've had lots of chats about it's like

when do you give it to them it's like well never you know yeah you know but the matter of the fact is is eventually they will have one and how best to prepare them for the difficulty of of of going through that landscape I know like tons of adults well tons of yang adults I should say myself you know like the ability to look up anything is a really really dangerous and hard to grapple with ability because you know like um although although like porn and prostitution and things like that have been around for a long time the ability to have it whenever you want it at your disposal uh has not been like that and that's right it is

unnerving to me honestly when I think about it I'm actually trying to get a lady on right now that is trying to sue a porn hub because of prostitution and different things going on there with like young victims and different things like that and I was like I think that's good for people to know you know like we we talk about it being an adult content and it's fine you know like once you become an adult it's fine it's totally fine and yet I've talked to different people that have become addicted to it and you're and in people People need to realize like porn hub and things like that,

that's not like human interaction, you know? Like that's not a healthy relationship. And if you don't know that, like, I feel sorry for you, but at the same time, I don't know how you break people out of that. Because once again, it's this thing that like, it's been around for years, folks. It's not like I'm a total prude to this,

but it's also like, but I also came from a time before that. So you know that it's not true everything that happens that screen is like, oh yeah, that's a relationship. That's what it needs to happen in the bedroom. And so you draw it all the way back to 14, 15 year olds. Like, listen, I'm sitting here as a man at 37. And there's terms in there I've never even heard of, would never think to do in the bedroom ever.

The most ridiculous things in the world. Can you joke about it when you get older? Listen, you joke about a lot of dark subjects when you get older. But kids need to just be kids. Kids don't need any overexposure to that stuff. And it is promoting dysfunctional. sexual acts that are that have no um listen as adults we can go yes wouldn't it be lovely if you could just say you know you wait until you find the person you love and then sex is this wonderful

thing that's totally disregarding our entire our entire teen years into our early 20s there's there's i'm like nervous for when my kids get to probably be about 15 16 to especially the boys because they're going to follow my track record which is from 16 to 25 They're going to do really dumb things. I'm going to have to pray a lot that they don't kill themselves because, you know, young boys are stupid. We are stupid. There's no way of getting around it. I got too.

You know, the thing is, yeah, I just, honestly, the dysfunctionality of it, I think, was just so maddening to me because, yeah, they do have access to pornographic stuff. stuff as is. And I think I want to believe that there is something left for them to count on and adults to look to for security, for help, for a standard of knowledge when they have questions that are real and when things come up and school should be one of those places where they feel comfortable and secure, and there's a standard at which is held that is protective of them. And so to me, it's just this dysfunctional feel and all of the crap involved with it kind of broke that security,

kind of broke that realm. And now, to me, I think this just opened up this door of anything goes. And there's no... where do they go for help? Where do they look to in the sense of if they're looking for an adult person, obviously there's certain people that we remember ourselves, like coaches, teachers, somebody who was there for you in a time where you were like,

I need a guy, I need a person to help me through this thing. And what it does for me is what I felt was it really broke that bond there, that it's like, I don't know the words I'm looking for, but it's just this feel of now there's not a security anymore. It's like when you're bringing in this type of language and this type of really intimate, odd, sexual stuff,

how uncomfortable would that have possibly been for those kids? So to not have someone stand up for them and say something, I think was very, it's very, disturbing for me that that's where our school landed on this and then our principal again i'm not really into throwing everybody under the bus but there are consequences for actions so i don't know where this is leading us i i don't know what this is looking like currently because summertime it's very hard to get a distinct answer there's been multiple letters written to multiple avenues of people um directly with the school to Prairie Valley School Division,

to education minister, phone calls and stuff made to Planned Parenthood. And it's kind of been all in vain. And everybody gives you the little bit of, yeah, we know, oh, we're talking to the people, yes, blah, blah, blah. Nothing's happening, though. Nothing concrete is happening. And I think what people want is something concrete to happen.

Because if nothing does, you know this is just going to go on. This is going to get swept under the rug for a while, and then the intent is going to be back in full force. Planned Parenthood really doesn't think they did. They don't think anything wrong happened here. As a matter of fact, there was a few people who phoned in directly to them, and they were told the same kind of a little spiel. Here it is from the Western Standard. A concerned parent called Planned Parenthood about the presentation and the sex cards, the parent asked,

you don't see a problem with the delivery of it? Nope. here's the response from Julian Wetherspoon, the Regina Executive Director. Nope, it actually makes me happy that you called with this feedback because it means it's working. That's planned parent according to the parent. Now, obviously, could there be a few words misinterpreted there? Sure. But the general message is they see nothing wrong with it.

Yes, that's the general message. And that's the message I was getting for at least different, like about eight to ten different people. In different avenues, not just parents. I've spoken to a couple people that have interviewed that gal before, and I got the same feedback. So they're proud of it almost is what it seems like, Sean. And to me, that's disgusting. It's actually unbelievable to me. And I think that it's actually infuriating to me.

I think that this, if this doesn't light a fire under some parents' butts to make something happen and band together and start really getting parents back into the system where we can have some type of say in our educational system, then I don't know what does, quite frankly. what's next? What's the next level if this is what we are allowing to happen, have happen? Yeah, it is. And to tackle a big, you know, to tackle a group like Planned Parenthood, some people just will have none of it because they're like, well, what are we going to do? Everybody feels helpless in this situation and just no, you're not helpless at all. I think people coming together is the big thing and getting people on board to listen and is very important. Just like going to have these events in small towns and let people listen because so many people come up and want to talk about it and are happy that there is somebody who is speaking. And so many people feel the same way.

You can feel like you're alone in the situation or you don't know what to do or how. to tackle it keep at it keep writing letters keep banning together keep having conversations come out listen and here and here's the thing that's different i think than covid you know in covid um for so long the the you know there was a divisive argument there of you know and still is right on on the vaccine and different things on yeah public safety and whatever and there was these two camps when i read the story off and and i you know when you actually go and you know listen this is what the card said this is what the thing said I'm gonna throw it high I'm gonna say 80% of of parents are gonna be like yeah that has no place so you're actually on the right

side of this argument like it's just like I don't there'll there'll always be somebody who says all they're fine it isn't that big a deal and that's fine that's you know supposedly that's democracy but the truth the matter is charlotte I when I read off the story or when you talk about it I'm like I don't hear any parent going well she is completely wrong Like this is a total whatever. She's overreacting. It's like, no, actually, I just don't see that.

So for any parent listening, it's like, actually, you start talking. I think majority of the public is going to back you, probably more of the majority of the public's going to back you and be like, yeah. You know, like this doesn't have a spot here. It's like it's pretty, it's self-explanatory, at least I think. You know what? Another thing, you know, I got, and I don't know if I'm going to say this, you'll know the name. it's a new candidate for the Sass United Party. John, is it Romic?

Yeah, heromic, yeah. Heromic, yeah. I knew I'll butcher it here. I get to sit down with them here in a couple of days, which should be interesting as well. Because, you know, one of the things about politicians is certainly Dustin Duncan, the education minister, came out and said, we're done with these guys for at least the summer.

You know, and they won't make a definitive, here it is, right? Yeah. With the Sask United Party, they're making a name for themselves on speaking specifically to the issues, which is nice to see out of politicians, right? Excellent, actually. It's really great. Well, maybe you can enlighten me a little bit because you got to speak at, I believe, at one of their meetings in Lumsden. Now they have John stepping up to run for them in that area. They got an election coming up in that area. would have been your thoughts on, well, the new candidate on what he says and thinks. I don't know. Just you're right in the middle of that storm as an election comes for your area.

Yeah, absolutely. So I know John and he's an excellent guy. He's a family man. He has four children. He is a great wife. They're from Lumsden area. And, you know, I think people. have just kind of had it with so many things and this just is like the icing on the cake and

I commend him for standing up and I'm you know I'm going to help with whatever I can for him to help get his name out there and let people know about him because I think there just needs to be change. We, um, so many avenues of people are, are ready to just stand for something new and, uh, create a better Saskatchewan, I think. And I think, um, and, and listen, you know, if you're a parent and you have kids, um, you can, you can listen to things a little bit differently. If you don't have children or you're not in that realm, it's not the same thing. And John's, you know, John's listening. And I have a lot of faith and hope put into him. It's exciting. It's all new to me because, honestly, not really a political person here. Again, it's something,

I'm just stepping out into all these new avenues right now. And it's interesting because, again, not a political gal. I kind of just went with the flow quietly just would gripe about everything, like everybody, but if you don't make a stand and you don't stand up for something and start believing in something, then you don't have a right to just sit around and

crab about it to your neighbor. You have to start stepping out and trying and doing something and learning and learning what your part can be in the community to help out a local guy who's stepping out. And he just doesn't need this. You know, like he's got a booming business. He's going to put that aside, and he's going to stand up for the people and really try and help. And their whole motto, I think, is really interesting.

And it's putting people first, right? And people have a lot to say, whether it's from an educational standpoint or it's an agricultural point or small business, health care, mental health, all the huge things that are going on. And we're seeing such a downfall in so many avenues that it's a big road to hoe. So he needs our help. He needs our support. And just thankful that somebody I know and somebody local is willing to step out on a limb like that. So it's important.

It's, you know, from an outsider looking into Saskatchewan, because now I grew up in Saskatchewan, now I live in a lot of. Alberta, right? Watching, um, just in my own experience of watching the UCP when they hosted Jason Kenny and then you had the leadership runoff. And I got to witness it firsthand. I got to go to a bunch of the debates. I got to host one of the, the roundtables and seeing Daniel Smith, uh, have the ability because at the time, you know, she was, you know, kind of like a, well, an outsider, I can say it, I guess. Uh, you know, she wasn't elected at the time. and her ability to speak freely and speak about the issues is a good reason why she got to,

I mean, she ran on a couple different things, folks. I'm not overlooking that, but her ability to speak freely on a whole bunch of different topics. Now people want to criticize her for some of the things she said and pin her down on that. And it's interesting to watch now that she is the premier how gauge she is and talking about things. So one of the things, I guess, from a outsider looking in, that SAS United has over the SAS party, is their ability to speak freely on anything. Like, I mean, you just take any candidate, they're going to be sitting there thinking about the playbook

and what we're supposed to say as a party, not as a person, and right away, that should be a leg up. The problem the Sask United has is they're going against an established party in the SAS party that is overall, I would say,

looked at in Canada as like a bastion of freedom, you know, like they're, you know, they didn't lock down to the extent that all the rest of the country did and everything else. And yet under their nose in the Saskatchewan school system,

you know, Planted, Parenthood walks in and does this. And there's more. I'm not here to just mince one thing. I know there's a whole lot going on. But, you know, if I sit here, Charlotte and I go,

you know, the one thing that should be interesting or fun for your area having an election come up, and I don't know who the candidate is for the SASS party, but it would be fun to have them in a debate-style forum where they actually have to talk to the things because if he is, you know, he or she is unwilling to talk to a whole bunch of different things. You know, as an audience member or as a person of the public

who doesn't, you know, just kind of goes with the flow because there's a ton of them. I was one of them, you were one of them. Yep. You know, the one thing you can't, unforgettable is like seeing a politician not really answer a question and then have somebody else like speak directly to it. Yeah.

Because that's really important. And that's the one advantage. I think the Sask United, probably there's a whole bunch of, they'd probably say there's a whole bunch of advantages we got. But sitting on the outside watching it, I'm like, the one big advantage is you can literally talk to anything. You have nothing to lose. So talk about it, talk openly about it. And hopefully, you know, and we'll see here because John's going to be on the podcast and I plan to grill him on a bunch of different things. And I find it funny when you're like, he's a family man.

It's like, yeah, funny. You know, like it's like such an extreme thought to just be a family person these days, you know. You've got to be something completely different than that. That seems to be the public culture. Isn't that the truth? Isn't that the truth? Yeah, no, that would be very interesting, actually. And, you know, I look forward to hearing that one because John's very well spoken.

I mean, he, I'm just, it's so nice. It's a little bit refreshing to have somebody, politics is politics, but in the sense of, you know, everybody that's in the realm is going to sound a little politiciany. However, when you are trying to do something directly for the people of Saskatchewan, got to give them a chance. You've got to try something new. You got to reach out and go, okay, well, this, right now, where are we? I found it very interesting that Scott Moden didn't have anything directly to attribute to our little situation in Lumsden High School. And I think that's, you know, it's telling. It's telling where we are right now. Time to bring somebody new in, you know, and see what we can do. I just, I'm rallying for them, you know. I just feels like the thing to do.

Feels important. Well, before I let you go, let's do the Crude Master final question. And I'm using Dale Wilker's words now, you know, ever since he was on. He's offered up a new question for the end. end here. So it's, what's next for Charlotte? And is there any way we can help? What's next? Hmm, that's interesting. I don't know for sure. I definitely will go around telling my story as much as it's needed and wanted. I feel like, I feel, I feel, I feel open. I feel happy. I feel that I'm doing something important. So I, I feel, I feel open. I feel happy. I feel that I'm doing

something important. So I'm quite almost getting into the realm of being content with going and speaking and talking to people that want to hear it. Well, you could have fooled me. I mean, as we said, we're closing in an hour, I'm like, here's the lady who talks about being terrified of talking to people, folks. But to me, I don't see any of that. I actually see somebody pretty confident sitting on the other side of this.

I appreciate that. I really do. I think it's just my time. That's all. I just think it's my time. I've been down the road of being really nervous in front of a lot of people in different situations, but I just, I think it's the time, if not now, when. And yeah, I want to stand up for our kids.

I want to stand up for not only my kids. I only got one now left in the high school, but my 18-year-old is sure proud of me. He's been quite a little political man since he, He's been an old man since the day he was born, and he's always had big discussions about adult things, and he's very proud of me for just standing up because he says, Mom, if you don't, who will. And so I find that inspiring. I always think of the Streisand effect. You know, like the repercussions of this can be very, very positive, right, of what's going on.

And I see what you're doing and speaking openly, and I'm like, that's good. Like, I mean, don't get me wrong. Do we ever want the situation to have happened? No, I don't think anybody would be like, yeah, we needed that. But sometimes you need a little bit of something to galvanize people out. Like, look at COVID. Look at how many things came out of there that were absolutely, like, beautiful and actually really good.

And the people I certainly met and talked to and everything else. Like, it's really done a lot of great things. There was a lot of crappy things. Yeah, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, right? Pros and cons. That's right. Proz and cons. Yeah.

No, absolutely, Sean. like that, we can look at that and we can go, oh, this happened, this happened, this happened. But what it did was bring a lot of people, bring a lot of awareness out. And even though there was so much, you know, split up groups of folks there that I brought a lot of different people together that maybe wouldn't have met or knew that they had like-minded things going on. So there was a lot of good in that too.

Well, before I let you off, is there anything else you, you know, like we've breezed through a lot, well, not breeze through, but we've talked about a lot. Is there anything else before I let you go that you want to let parents know or people in general know that it may be that I've skipped over? I think that the decision to go above and beyond the, with that explicit description of adult content in our schools, is just beyond, um, it's just had no business being in there. And so I just, I want to make people aware that that is, it was bad.

Please look at the information. Um, so you can actually see it for yourself. Don't just listen to me. Don't just listen to CBC. Don't just listen to Gormley, whoever had all the stuff on. Um, I just, I, if you want to reach out to me by all means, I'd love to check. I have no problem with that. I think just keeping the conversation going is very important and not just letting this slide by because it's summertime. I know people want to be on holidays and spend time with their family and it takes away from that.

Please vote. It also matters big time. And again, don't just let summertime happen. Please do what you can in your own communities to become aware. When is the election for your area? I knew you were going to ask me that, and I can't remember the exact date. Because, again, it's all flooding in so quickly. It's because you're a newbie to the political realm.

And I'm a newbie. But it's the beginning of August. I know that for certain. So just become aware of yourselves, too, please, because I'm sorry that I don't have any exact date, Sean. But you could talk with that with John, too. It's funny. Here, I'm just going to, I'm going to. Look it up quick.

Well, no, I swear they literally. we don't have a lot of time. August 10th, August 10th. Henry had sent me the date of when the election is. So I'm like, I'm pretty sure they told me. Yeah. That's funny. Don't feel bad.

No, I'm like, and there's a newbie into the political realm. That's, I get asked like, how many election? I'm like, I don't know. I actually don't know. Yeah. But that's cool. I think it's great. You know, David Parker once told me on here, you know, politics isn't a spectator sport.

You have to get it involved. You want things to change. You want, you know, like, this is our lives, you know, you're talking about. And if you want things to change, get involved. You want things to change in the school system. You know, like I'm married to a teacher. Start talking to the teachers that we had a guy in Lloyd come and talk. And they talked about statesmanship with schools, you know.

You just don't go in and yell at them. Like, just start a conversation. And start it before there's a problem, right? Because you might, you might find some things out and you might be able to help. You might have to, you know, and on and on it goes, you know. So like get involved. Start some conversations. Talk about the things that matter.

Absolutely. I was at Jordan Peterson when he was here in Regina. And that was what actually started for me. When I really stopped to think about what I could do. Because he said to everybody, he said, if you aren't doing something, even at the lowest level in a group, in politics,

in your own community, in your own realm, you are doing nothing and we can't do anything. If we want to see Canada go down, that's what's going to happen. And so I thought, well, that's profound from him because he's so amazing and interesting. And as he has so much to say, so I thought, just got my brain going. And I thought, okay, what can I do? And then I all of a sudden, I said, what can I do? And this was my response was, okay, here's a catastrophe. You should go and talk about it.

You know, as people know, we've put it out in the universe for Jordan Peterson on episode 500. Podcast starts because, you know, in a simple way, the book club is certainly there, but we read his book. And, you know, in the book spurs on things and spurs on things. But, you know, it always comes back to, you know, clean up your room. And if you can do that, you know, then maybe you can work on your house. And if you can get that in order, then maybe you can start. to work on some other things outside of that and you know it grows and grows and grows and grows and i got a ton of time for jordan peterson on this this thing and it doesn't surprise me one bit

you know that uh he's had an impact on your life as well actually you know one day you know lord willing i'll get to sit across from and and ask him about that because the amount of people he's impacted um huge was was beyond huge and covid brought a whole lot of them to terms with how uncomfortable they were going to be with the world moving forward. Because I don't know how many people I interviewed that did not want to speak out, did not want to go against the grain, did not, did not, did not. And then COVID happened. And they're like, well, if I'm going to live by some of the things written in this book,

you know, well, here's your opportunity. And don't worry, folks, there's going to be more opportunities in the future for a whole lot of us. And you're, you're, uh, any day, you're, uh, any day, you can wake up and be well, here we go, right? Like, I mean, it's, you know, I wrote this thing the other day. And I don't know why I'm bringing this up, but here we go, Charlotte. I wrote, you know, I'm not saying never. I'm just saying not today.

And to me, that can be on a lot of different issues. But, you know, when I struggle with something that seems so, like, all, encompassing like it's you know for for for Saskatchewan folks maybe it's the sass party or plan parented or whatever it's like you think about the giant problem you know once upon a time my brother and i and uh one of his best friends sisters biked across canada so started at newfoundland and bike to canada and when you look at the map you go how are we ever going to get across this province and Dustin used to say to me just get on the pedals let's just start pedaling you know and pretty soon you start to and it's like you take any big issue and it's the same it's like you know

Like, if you get overwhelmed by the size of it, then every day you're just going to, you'll never start. Instead of just, you know, don't worry about the next 10 years. Worry about today. And if you start with today and it's not today, today is not what, you know, you can start to piece together the day after day after day. And who knows where that leads, not just for you, but for or for me, but for all of us. Yeah, absolutely. I 100% agree with that. Absolutely.

Well, I tell you what, ma'am, it's been, well, another Lumsden day. person, you know, fuck. Lumsden. Appreciate you coming on and doing this and while I'll be looking forward to seeing what Charlotte has in her in the days coming forward. And if you're ever through Lloyd Minster, you let us know because we'll, well, who knows, we got the for kids' sake. And certainly what you're doing is exactly what the for kids' sake is all about trying to speak out for kids and for their futures and everything else. And maybe somewhere there is something that can align and we can have you come talking Lloyd at some future date. Either way, appreciate you coming on.

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