Shaun Newman Podcast - #469 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer 7.0

Episode Date: July 26, 2023

Russia/Ukraine could this be coming to a close? RFK and the political scene in the USA and what is going on in France? Tom is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian & economist whos work can be found on sites like zero hedge & Newsmax media Alex is a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author, contributing editor at Zero Hedge Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Patreon: www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. I'm talking about Tom Luongo and Alex Kramer. So buckle up, here we go. This is Alex Kramer, and you're listening to Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. I'm joined by Tom Lwango, Alex Criner. boys, it's been a little bit of a stint of not chatting with you guys. It was but once a month,

once every four weeks. Of course, if you're new to this, this is the seventh time you two have been on together. So you can go back through the list of them. It culminated, maybe not culminated, but certainly there was a pretty cool moment there where you guys were in Lloyd Minster in June on stage together, first time for both you in Canada, first time meeting together, first time for all three of us meeting the other. And so happy to have you back. How is everybody? Doing great. It's only, you know, the eighth circle of hell here in July, late July and in Florida. So I'm in my office today as opposed to doing the normal Stogie thing on the back porch because it's just too damn hot. So Alex. I'm in Croatia. I'm in Croatia. I'm on semi-vocation.

And the weather's changing like four times a day. It like starts with a rainstorm and then it gets really was sunny and hot and then it gets rainy again and then it gets sunny again like for the for the last four or five days but we had a massive storm about three days ago with like you know knocked down trees and stuff and I think that ever since we've been we've been having a bit of connectivity issue over the internet so let's hope that everything works works fine I kicked everybody else in the household off of Wi-Fi so it should be a sound like I you sound like me when I used to do my My Tuesday night live streams, Alex, and I was on the really bad DSL connection trying to live stream, you know, and just, I was like, I would scream. Like, everybody was just laugh.

Well, it's funny. I'm on vacation as well, Alex. And I, all the kids were supposed to be gone to the park today, everything. And what happens? Two of them are sick. And you're like, one of them got stung by like seven bees. You're like, you know, what are you going to do? So, you know, we're all in new.

venues for this one, but that's all right. That's kind of the fun of, well, not the bees, but certainly the fun of doing this with you two guys. It seems to take us to new spots. I don't know where you want to start. I was just saying to Tom, as we walked in, like I literally walked in and it popped up a headline, LeBron's James son suffered a cardiac arrest doing team workouts. He's alive, but he'd be like, I don't know, like early 20s, at the most, like in the peak of physical fitness. Like, you know, I don't know. Is there anything that's going to break anyone out of not realizing what this is at this point?

That's a good question. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was just going to say, I don't know. But, you know, there comes a point where there's a willful amount of disbelief and or, you know, for many people. at this point, it's just willful. Like, you know, when you, when you identify something as being wrong, right?

And or somebody presents to you information that, or perspective on the world that blows open your old perspective of the world. The thing is, that's really garring. And it's going to be that moment where you have to make a decision. And I see it all the time in people, where they have to make a decision whether to accept

new information and then accept the responsibility of that new information or go, you know what, I don't want to accept the responsibility of this information and I'm just going to reject it out of hand and become willful. And the reason why the responsibility thing is a big deal is because most people want to see themselves as good people. So if you see a massive injustice in this world or whatever it is, there can be, you know, the complications with the COVID vaccines. It could be child trafficking. It could be, you know, it could be a corrupt comp on this, you know, in your hometown. When it's one of those things, and once you have identified that for what it is, and you, then you, you know, if you want to continue to believe that you're a good person

and that good people do something about injustice, well, then you have to, if you accept that, then you have to do something about it, right? So this is the, this is the, the, the, the, the, why the stickiness of, of things like sciops and propaganda. to work so well because at the end of the day, people don't want to believe that things are as bad as they possibly could be, because then it implies that they have to do something about it if they don't want to have to fundamentally alter their view of themselves. And this is the thing. And you can, and this is why logic doesn't work.

This is why evidence doesn't work. It's, this is an emotional problem. This is a, a, a, a core values problem. And, uh, so I don't know. That's just my diagnosis of all this stuff. It doesn't matter what the issue is. We don't talk about the COVID vaccines. That's fine.

But that's the way I say. Well, just as I walked in and happened, and I looked it up, Brony James is 18 years old. So like, I mean, no age at that, you know, they're so young, right? But anyways, it's just, I just couldn't, like it popped up off of ESPN. I'm like, holy crap, right? Like, you know, for me having all the sports background and following all these guys to just not even give it a mention.

I'm like, holy dinah, that's something. What do you? Sure, I'm sure, I just wanted to mention, you know, like when I was that age, I used to play Waterfowl semi-professionally, you know. So I was deep in the world of sports, you know. It was a time when, you know, I read sports newspapers and, you know, you tended to know everything that's going on. and you tended to make friends with other athletes.

And young people suffering these collapses, heart failures, was absolutely not happening. But never, never. Never. The thing started to get slightly weird in the maybe 1990s and the 2000s, when, you know, like in football and some sports, they started experimenting with new. new types of doping drugs, whatever they used to do.

And then you had some, you know, like, there's been a handful of football players collapsing on the field. I don't know if it was heart attacks or whatever, or just, you know, just feeling sick or something like that. But this absolutely never used to happen. Zero. I remember zero cases of this happening. this happening. So you know this has got to be this is got to be a shocking new normal for for people who are paying attention but I'll I'll push back a little bit again against what Tom said because I think that I think it's actually the propaganda is not working because in on many issues that matter there's a there's a silent majority

that doesn't say anything, but, you know, their minds are grappling hard with what they're observing. And it's having an effect. And, you know, like, you'll only notice, you will notice it when, you know, like, there's like an odd poll that somebody who has a large following will ask a question. And then, you know, you realize that the large majority of people holds a different view that what you would expect. And I looked into a number of them on the question of Russia, Ukraine. And it turns out that something like two-thirds of the public in the West actually sympathizes with Russia, in spite of the massive propaganda campaign 24-7, 365 days a week, wall-to-wall, everything pro-Ukrainian, anti-Russians, and, you know, people are not buying it.

And then, you know, a friend of mine, she works for NATO in one of the European NATO countries. And she told me that they pay very close attention to public opinion in NATO countries, you know, because they would like us all to be gung-ho ongoing war to war against Russia. And she said that in all the former Eastern Bloc countries, it's something like four to one in favor of Russia. Right. And that in countries like France, Spain, Italy, Austria, I'm not sure if she mentioned Germany, maybe, it's about three to one, all in favor of Russia. This is one of the reason why they can't get this war going as high. hard as the top brass would love to do it.

They can't because nobody wants it. Yep. And so, yeah, you know, like, I think we're in a different ballgame. We're past the point where, you know, the public opinion was defined by mainstream media, by the newspapers and the, you know, TV and radio. And now it's different. And, you know, they're trying very hard for us not to know this. but if you pay attention every so often something pops up and you realize, gosh, you know,

like whatever they're doing is not working very well. Yeah, no, Alex, I don't disagree with that at all. I really don't. It's it, you know, when I was, what I was really speaking to was that, that 25 or 30% of the population that just refuses to finally, you know, give up. And it's always them, right? It's always that. It's always that.

And that number needs to drop the 10%. it really does because most people in the middle certainly here in the United States are not going to say anything. They're just going to not say anything until it comes to election time and then they're going to want to vote their conscience

during the election. And of course, the mechanism there is to ensure that we don't have a real choice candidate-wise in order to voice our opinion. And then the silent majority stays the silent majority. And it really does need to come

from a collapse of this whole false left-right divide and gas-lighting and just go, dude, this is just wrong. And we all realize it. And we all need to just stop being like

apolitical or roll our eyes at all this and just go, look, no, this is wrong. And we don't, and this is not who we want to be as a society. And I, you know,

and that's the, that's what I'm speaking to. It's the, the, the propaganda isn't as powerful as it, as it was because it's so freaking ham-fisted and so, you know, amateurish.

Like, you know, it's what I was wrote about in the article I posted yesterday. It's like, you know, you guys are running scripts at this point that are so badly written that most soap opera writers would call them cringe-worthy. Like, you know, it's that bad. And like, you know, come on at this point. You guys, you have all the money in the world. Come on. You can't come up with better narratives than, you know, call an RFK an anti-Semite. Like, really?

This is the best you got? Wow. Okay. Well, you both. You both brought up two things that I was curious to have your thoughts on. And I thought we'd start with Russia, Ukraine. And so how I initially started talking with both of you, roughly. You know, so many of us were worried about Article 5 being, you know,

and then everybody in NATO goes in and nobody wants to go in, as Alex has pointed out quite clearly. You know, but people are still looking at this because, you know, it's at the point where it's like, okay, so what's going to happen to change the narrative to try and pull everybody in? Is that possible? I'm sure it is. I don't want to challenge them on that one. But I mean, where do we sit today, fellas, when you look at what's going on, the counteroffensive, the unrest across the world? I mean, France has been something. Alex, you wrote a great article on that. But I mean, like, where are we sitting in your your eyes on Russia, Ukraine, and maybe how close are we of all of Article 5? Before we, before, I'm going to let Alex handle this first. I just want to remind everybody,

it's not a counteroffensive that's happening with Ukraine. That's British propaganda. It's an offensive, period. There's no, the Russians haven't attacked in over a year. This was an offensive that then started failing and they started calling it a counteroffensive. That should tell you exactly how I, what I think about was. going on in Ukraine. But Alex, you take the leader. Well, I have the impression that we are in the very late stages of the endgame. And I get the impression that the Western, the people who are in charge of this project from the West are in a state of panic, you know, because you saw, you saw blinking go to China.

and then you saw Yellen go to China. And then that wasn't enough. Then they wheeled out the 100-year-old Henry Kissinger who went to China. And then you also saw, you know, what most people never saw before, the chief of the MI6, go to Czechoslovakia and give a speech and an interview publicly. And that was a thing to work. watch you know like I I understand what's going on and he almost he almost convinced me that those those fork-tonged people speaking with British accent can be so persuasive you almost thought

like oh this guy you know if I had a daughter I think I'd want him I'd want her to marry him and just like that but you know the fact that they are the fact that they are rolling out these players from behind the scene like Kissinger, like the MI6 guy, Sir Richard, Sir Richard Dearloves, Sir Richard Moore. You know, he's the same man who used to be ambassador to Turkey and who, you know, devoted part of his career to trying to put together a coalition, you know, not just UK, Poland and Ukraine, but also Turkey. And he was there promising Erdogan that he would get this great tyrannia,

that he would, you know, like the Turkey would expand its influence across Central Asia and blah, blah, well, obviously none of it worked. And we know that this was very serious because, you know, either just before or at the beginning of the war in Ukraine, there was this guy, a leader of the... militant organization C-14, Yevgen Karras. He gave an interview and in this interview he was talking about this great coalition of Great Britain, Poland, Ukraine and Turkey as a Feta complete, you know, like as a done deal. Well, it didn't turn out that way, did it? So like,

so many things didn't go right for them and they are now, you know, this, this offensive, counteroffensive is a complete flop and they know it's a flock. They keep pretending that Ukraine is going to win, but there's absolutely no basis. You know, the, let's say the lower level architects of this war are saying, we would never even envision an offensive without having air superiority. Ukraine doesn't have any air superiority. Nothing coming close to it. So, you know, they sent them without knowing that they're just,

going into a meat grinder and then when it turned out that the mine fields were so thick as they say like every half a meter there's a there's a mine they started sending infantry without any cover i mean it's it's it's surreal it's insane but i think it reflects an existential panic and you know they never tell you they never really tell you what's at stake but at some point I think either it was Polish Prime Minister or Polish President blotted it out and he said like, well if we lose in Ukraine we've lost we've lost the West. They are you know it's it's going to get really dramatic and I think that probably the timeline might be September October. Don't

forget you know like once more we're going to be moving into the cold season the winter people are going to wonder are we going to have enough gas or we're going to have enough oil. Anxieties are going to start building up again when the summer is out and we might see much, much greater social uprisings in places like France and Germany. And what's that going to do? I think that that's potentially going to break apart the Western alliance. You know, the Germans and the French and the Spanish are asking for closer ties with China. Well, you know, China and Russia are joined at the hip. You're not going to have closer ties with China without breaking apart the Western alliance.

And what we're going to see is we're going to see a peace being negotiated on Russia's terms. and the West is going to be in an extremely poor position to demand anything. And remember, December, 2021 draft treaties that Russia turned over to NATO and United States demanded that NATO pulls back to where they were before 1997. Ouch. They're going to exist on that, and the West doesn't really have good cards to play. for the most part Alex I agree with you it's been very interesting to watch this play out and remember when we were in Edmonton you know I was I gave the you gave the uplifting speech at the end that I gave the sobering speech at the end that I just I still don't think these people are done trying to create a a wider conflict and I think that Vilnius was a good moment where they came out and said all right it didn't work And now we have to figure out a way to come down from this thing and save face.

And I think that's why they sent Kissinger to China. I think they sent Kissinger to China because the Chinese insisted on it. Who else are they going to talk to? There's nobody in the United States that the Chinese trust to give them anything other than, you know, the standard, you know, ridiculous, hubristic party line, like the Blinkins and the Sullivans and the new ones and Pelosi's and all the rest of them. they all go over there and they just blowviate and scream, you know, bloody murder at the Chinese and just, and they engage in anti-diplomacy. And I'm like, no, excuse me, we need the realist in the room, please. He may be 100 years old and his brain may be cooked, but he's sharper than the rest of you

people all put together. And, you know, and I think, you know, that's, that's a big tell. I think Vilnius was an absolutely a massive tell. And as you and I talked about when we were on with Alex McCrhus and Crypto Rich over the weekend that they sent Yellen in because I'm firmly convinced they sent Yellen over there because of how things play themselves out in the bond markets. And I don't want to go into that here for a good. It'll take 20 minutes again. But just I've, you know, watch, you know, Sean, if you can link to that podcast in the early 15 minutes of that where I lay out why I think Johnny Allen went and begged the Chinese to buy U.S. West treasuries and then give Lagarde cover so that she could buy more Eurobonds because the whole of the European bond market was getting ready to let loose on the Eva Vilnius on the NATO summit.

Now you can argue the question that's due, well, who was selling US treasuries in order to force that moment to its crisis? And that could have easily been the Chinese. It could have been the Russians. It could be any number of people who were angry with the, you know, with the West over the way they've, they've, done this, right, and what they've done here. And then, you know, like, you guys, you want to have a war? Great. You're not going to have capital markets. You're going to have governments overthrown. We're going to blow up your bond markets and all the rest of this stuff.

And the, the threat's always been out there for years. Like the classic neocon, faint, you know, fake arguments that, oh, well, the Chinese own us because they get sold their treasury bonds that they own in an hour. and destroy our markets. I'm like, yeah, they'll never do that, but they don't have to. All they have to do is sell $50 billion in a coordinated effort

and over a couple of day period and push yields out and then just let the markets deal with what the markets have to deal with at that point because of all of this structured finance is so very fragile if things get outside of specific price ranges within specific time periods.

That's what options and derivatives are all about. All of these interest rate swaps and derivatives and whatnot. They're all time-based. They're all price-based. And so that's stupid. They don't have to sell $800 billion to the treasuries. They got to sell $20 or $30 or even $50 if necessary. And it doesn't even have to be all the Chinese.

It can just be a whole bunch of people who are quote-unquote Chinese adjacent. And you get it done. Like the Russian government doesn't officially own any U.S. treasuries and their foreign exchange reserves anymore or, you know, hold any on their their national balance sheet. But if you don't think that they don't have, you know, control over a couple hundred billion dollars worth of U.S. Treasury bonds, you're kind of, you're kind of naive through third parties,

through whatever. So Yellen had to go to China and only Yellen could go to China. And this is the funny part. I really mean that when I say it. Only Yellen could have gone to China to beg them to buy U.S. treasuries and to buy. some time in order to, and what's the quid pro quo? Well, then, you know, y'all need to stop, like, even larping that you're going to allow

Ukraine into NATO and that you're going to create an Article 5 situation, which then brings up everything that the polls and the Brits and the Lithuanians have been trying to do, which is to create, you know, Alex and I've talked about this in the past, both on a podcast we did together a year ago, right after the North Stream bombing, and he brought this up, that they're trying to, they've got a treaty, draft treaty or, you know, an unofficial treaty between the UK, Poland and Ukraine over bringing Polish troops into Ukraine to help, you know, stabilize the situation. And oh, by the way, Wagner and company are moving to the southwestern corner of Belarus.

And, you know, like, the polls are massing on the, on the, on the, the polls and NATO are massing on the Polish-Ukrainian border. Putin's made it abundantly clear that. if the polls invade Ukraine, he doesn't care. And then there's the real issue, which is, and this is something that I've, you know, I've spoken to, and I've thought about a lot in discussions with, private discussions with my partner, Dexter White on this, which is that no one's really ever tested Article 5 when an Article 5 belligerent, an Article 5 member is a

belligerent of foreign land and gets attacked by a foreign belligerent. Like no one's ever tested that as to whether anyone, NATO would actually invoke Article 5, if Poland fighting in a non-NATO country gets attacked by the Russians officially. We've had a lot of unofficial, you know, skirmishes between the Americans and the British and the Russians in Syria over the years, multiple, you know, ones that no one would ever admit to publicly, right? But if the polls very visibly move across the border towards Lavath, because I refuse to use the Ukrainian names, And the Russians say, you know what?

Sorry. And they, you know, they kinsal, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the water. Does anybody think that we're going to get an article five at this point? I don't know. I don't think so. And it's never been tested before. And it's something to worry about. But, you know, looking at the way things are right now, it seems that we, at the very least, this has been pushed off for at least another

six months. And I think they're going to try again in about another six months to see if they can, like, create another thing or maybe for next summer. Like I really do think still that the the U.S. and British neocons are they're not going away.

They're not going gently into that good night. They're going to continue to sandbag that we're not prepping for war here in the United States when they clearly are. But the amount of material that they would have to send is more than we

have to fight the Russians. And remember, you're fighting them in Ukraine. They're not fighting them, you know, they're not fighting them on our borders. Like, it's, the bluff has been called about, about U.S. military logistics. And this is not to say the U.S. military logistics are lacking.

They're some of the greatest in the history of the planet. But is it enough for this particular project in Russia's backyard? And within a thousand kilometers of the Russian border. And I don't think so. And I've never thought that. And do I also think that the Russians have any ability to project more than, you know, the western border of Ukraine? No, I don't. They've not shown any competence at combined arms operations.

They've not shown any confidence at being able to do non-rail-based logistics, military logistics. They haven't shown any of this stuff yet. So why should we believe any of that? So everybody saying, well, the Russians want to take over all of Eastern Europe is nonsense. That will be a negotiated settlement. It was what Alex was implying earlier when he said, you know, at some point, we're going to invoke the December 2021 draft treaties that the Russians, you know, put on NATO's desk, right?

I think Odessa's on the table there. I don't know about the rest of Western Europe or Eastern Europe, but I damn well know that Odessa will be dealt with in a negotiated settlement and probably from a local uprising. Once the people in Odessa are tired of being ruled by the Ukrainians and once the Zelensky government falls. I think that's going to be the lynchpin. That's going to be the catalyst to all of this. And it's very possible that we're looking at some kind of military moment where the military brass and Ukraine just goes, that's enough of this.

And they overthrow Zelensky and they move on. And then there's nothing the Victoria Nuland can say or do at that point. So, let's see. Do I get the feeling from you to, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but hey, this is just me sitting here. I've listened to a lot of your chats and everything else. Not that this is optimism from my side. I just, out of all of our chats, this is the least, I think I've felt like we're on the precipice of World War III and we're going, like NATO is all going in. And all they got to do is just one little thing in a way it goes.

Maybe I'm wrong on this, and you can certainly clarify. But it feels like even if Poland goes in and they get attacked and everything else, it's kind of like at this point, would they even all go? And what you're saying is, is the world doesn't want to go, right? Right, right? Whether it's the United States, Canada, Alex talking about all of Europe and how they view this, they're all looking at it going, we're not going in. And so you go, the only thing that scares me about that is so how big of a false flag event has to happen in order to change the public's appearance. on like we need to end this. Yeah, that's the big one.

One last thing, I'll turn it back over to Alex. Really, in reality, NATO, what is NATO other than U.S. military logistics and Polish infantry at this point? Because who's going to fight this war, this supposed big Neocon war? It's going to be the Polish. It's going to be Polish infantry and with American weapons and leadership and logistics. And like they built a bigger army in Ukraine to do this over eight years. And it's failed completely. So, okay.

Because I don't see if the Germans going. I don't see the Spanish or the French or the Italians or anybody else going. And we're certainly not going to get the American, we're certainly not going to get American millennials and zoomers to who can, who barely have any allegiance to the United States. States at this point, you know, suit up to go fight against the Russians in Ukraine. We're not getting to they-themms? Yeah, no.

I mean, no, we're not. So, go ahead, Alex. Yeah, I think it's very unlikely because it's, you know, like, there's people, there's people in the top brass, ideologues, neocons, who won this very badly. But then there's people deeper in the hierarchy who understand that it would be suicidal, that the odds of success are nil, and then, you know, that it would have tremendous costs not only in terms of military losses, but also in economic collapse. We're on the verge of economic collapse in Europe, you know. And the last thing we need is, you know, destabilizing the situation even further. You know, I don't know how many political parties would survive this, probably not very much. So nobody's, nobody's imagining that this is a potentially a good project and then maybe we should go. And then, you know, as Tom said, who's going to fight it? You need infantry. You need hundreds, you would need hundreds of thousands of troops with air cover with everything, which simply doesn't exist.

Any, you know, nothing even close to the scale of what is required. And, you know, the Poles were quite keen on doing this until their military brass looked into it before the counteroffensive was launched. And then the general, who is the chief of their Polish general staff, said, this is impossible. We would need to assemble an army of two million men, two million. It's not even doable. And so, you know, Sean, you asked about the, you asked about the false flag attack what it would have to be. I don't know, because people are not, I think that people are not even believing anything. So even if you, even if you had a nuclear bomb go off, you know, over London or Warsaw or something like this,

I still think there's a chance that that would fail too because people would suspect that it's a false flag attack. I think that maybe their last hope would be if they caught Vladimir Putin killing a golden retriever puppy in front of the cameras. Maybe that would galvanize the population. But I think we're, you know, there are no good developments anywhere for them. I don't see them. Well, knowing that Putin loves dogs. I mean, have you ever seen

Just a little bit Doesn't he like dogs? Like it's like, you know, you know, just a little bit. The guy, the guy adores dogs. And you can tell that dogs respect him. Like I've watched his interactions with both his dog and other dogs. I'm like, yeah, no, Putin doesn't come across as, you know,

a guy who is Woodpegilded golden retriever on camera. Yeah, so that's not going to happen either. Yeah. Right. That's, I mean, like, so I hate to break it to anybody who's like hoping. for that like you know so victoria newlin like you know don't don't send in the spy dog for you know to bite Putin so he you know stabs it like it's not going to work that even that one's not going to work though you know don't get peter zahan any ideas about you know how that we can start world war three

and his next fight by doing this because that's i think the next if that talking point shows up that this gets spooky the but what's really interesting um is is this keeping on this argument that the West, the people of the West do not want this war. This is where both RFK Jr. and Donald Trump have the frigging rhetorical hammer. And, you know, it falls into what Tucker Carlson did when he had Mike Pence up on the stage. And then they went through Tim Scott and Mike Pence and all the rest of them. And, you know, he went a little easy on Nikki Haley, sadly.

But I think she still slunk back to the stage. the Waffle House in Greenville. You know, because her shift was starting. I just like, to me, though, the, the, the, we're at that, that moment, um, where all of the rhetoric, all of the lying, all of that is finally reaching that kind of, uh, I don't know, that, that, whimper, you know, the, this is the way the world, you know, the quote T.S. Eliot, this is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but with a whimper.

And I think that, I can see it playing out that way. I can also see, you know, them trying one last time to go to the well. But, I mean, even, you know, look at the fit of, like, frustration and adolescent rage that we got after Villanus when they brahm the Kurtz Strait Bridge again. I mean, that's all that was. That was literally a statement of, eh. And they were just, like, impotent rage by a bunch of, like, you know, narcissistic 14-year-olds in both Ukraine and MI6.

Oh, we'll blow up the bridge again. It's like Swamp Castle from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, right? Like every time they just go, we'll just keep burning it down and building it again. And eventually, you know, eventually the war will end. And by the fifth time, they've blown up the Kirk's, Kirk's trade vigil, it'll stay up, right? It's ridiculous. I just, this is like the thing that keeps popping into my head over and over again.

Putin, you know, it's Michael Palin playing Putin. with the firs and the whole nine yards. It's hilarious. But I, yeah, I don't know. I'm cautiously optimistic, Sean. I think it's the best way of putting it. I'm just saying, I'm seeing, you know, I've sat and listened to you to go back and forth and I'm like,

I don't want to call it optimism, because I don't know if that's exactly what it is, because a lot of stupidity can truly unfold over the next year. You're not suggesting anything other than that. But in overall sense, what we're all seeing out of the population, whether we're talking Europe, whether we're talking the United States, whether we're talking Canada, is that everybody's kind of like on, you know, mostly the same page. Nobody wants to go.

Anything that happens, everybody kind of looks at it already, like, yeah, I don't know if I believe exactly what they're telling me. You know, I come back to, I think it was Tom who said, you know, look at what they're giving you. Why are they giving you that piece of information, right? Like why are they pushing that? And maybe let's look at the, you know, what's motivating that. And I see more and more people every single day doing exactly that. Why do we know what we think we know? Is there like the question?

Yes. Yes. Why? Yeah. Because someone clearly wants us to know this thing. So therefore we have to then be, you know, so if you keep asking that question to yourself, eventually you become a much more sophisticated consumer of the news and the zeitgeist and the information flow that's coming out.

And at that point, you can actually make much more rational decisions about your future. in your life. And I think that that's like that's the one question that they can get people to to really just constantly ask themselves. Why do I know what they, why do I know what I think they I think I know? Who wants me to know this? And so I want here's one of the things I was hoping I had earmarked to talk about. It's so what is it that they don't want us to know? And I actually mentioned his name a bunch of times and here in Canada we get to see a bunch of Robert F. Kenny Jr. running for the Democrats and that type of thing. And Alex, over in Europe, I assume there's a whole bunch going on that, right?

I watch all the riots happening in France. I'm like, this looks insane. But, you know, like, how do I know what to follow? I mean, the Netherlands with all the farmer protests. You know, we don't have boots on the ground that are just like constantly giving updates, etc. And there's probably more going on in Europe that I really don't know about. Either or you guys can take wherever you want.

But, I mean, the RFK thing, Tom. has been really interesting to watch how they've attacked him and everything else. I guess I'm just curious your thoughts and whether or not he has a shot. It looks like they're going to try and do anything in their power to remove him. But like you said, he's using the alternative media space to get to the people. And it's like if you haven't figured that out, it's like you really are out of touch because I was just saying to you before we started. To me, that's what Daniel Smith did in Alberta when she won.

And then she got slammed by all mainstream media for, all the things she said on all these different podcasts. But she literally went around to all these podcasts and all the communities throughout Alberta, talked to all of them, talked openly, and won. I mean, that's, to me, that was what it looked like. And if you're saying Robert F. Kennedy's doing it in that, I'm just curious your thoughts on, on that. And hopefully maybe you have some information I haven't seen.

Well, all I'm going to say is the thing about podcast, right? And this is part of the reason. This is something I said to you privately after the event at Ambiton. and I said, you know, on the podcast we did when we were in Boydminster, right? That's talking about podcasting in general. It's they can, they cannot control the interview process anymore, right? They can't control the way the questions are worded and they can't do the whole. So, Mr. Kennedy, how long has it been since you last beat your wife?

Right. And then he doesn't answer, right? So that style of yellow journalism and gotcha, worse shit that they can then cut up, turn into sound bites and create a false reality with doesn't work. When a person goes on a podcast with Joe Rogan for three hours, and you get a real sense of who they are, and people turn into that podcast and go,

and then they hear the outtake created by the media out about that thing. And they're like, I listen to that podcast. That's not what he said. And because people consume news differently now and because the podcast owner isn't a confrontational, this is not a confrontational scenario where they're trying to stop him from saying what needs to be said

and editing the, and using, you know, judiciously using the editing room to create a false story. Right. Like once you break that, that pattern and you just get a person talking who they are and you get to see them for who they are and you do you know you do a not just an audio podcast where you can hear the person's voice but you can do the what we're doing today like you can see their body language you can see their sincerity you can see all of the things and like that's the best form of campaign speech you can get

i think that's the best form of free advertising you can possibly get to reach 10,000 20,000 and 30,000 people. And then all of a sudden, you know, those 30,000 people or those 10,000 people. So when I listen to the RFK the other day, he was great. And, you know, he was talking about these things. And it was really good. And I really encourage you to go listen to it. And, you know, and all of a sudden, the whole thing just becomes this viral web of the information.

Because it's very obvious at this point that people want good information. They are tired of the old model. And that old model is just pathetic. And the every day that they try to keep running the same playbook, they just look more and more and more retarded. I know I'm not allowed to use that word, but it's retarded that I'm not allowed to use that word, so, you know, fuck them.

They're challenged. Yeah, it's just so good. And this watch this happen. And, you know, for RFK, then make it abundantly clear that he's monitoring all of that lower, that upper tier of alternative media, right? And I don't know if this is true,

but I saw this this morning on the Duran that on Twitter that the Duran got their PayPal channel shut the account shut down. Really? This morning? What a shock. A week after RFK retweets them.

Like, you know, the Empire will keep striking back, folks. There's no argument here. It's going to keep happening. Because they don't know anything else to do. This is who they are. Every day, they they they further convince us of who they are and show us their hand and then dare us to do something about it. Oh, you know, I got news for you. Eventually they're going to fap up. They're going to fuck around

one too many times and they're going to find out just exactly what it is that we're willing to do. And it's and you know, controlling the ballot box isn't good enough because at some point the ballot box isn't going to matter. But, you know, we have to get people out of the idea that they can get their voices heard through the ballot box. Oh, that politics. got us into this mess, elections got us into this mess, it's not going to get us out. What's going to get us out is, you know, community action and all the rest of it. But, you know, and just, you know, acting locally and, and changing, you know, the structure of your local community is the only way that's going to happen. From a, from a, a Democrats side of the thing, are you going to see a debate

where RFK is on the stage and Biden's there and Newsom and or is anything like that ever going to happen. Biden is going to be put the pack, put out the pasture before anything happens. Biden will put, we're within 60 to 90 days of, of President Biden being a thing of the past. I, I'll be frank and honest. They've got to get him out of the way before the primary season starts. And they got to hand all of his money to Gavin Newsom. And they've got a spirro, Agno out, they got somehow Spiro Agno out, Kamala Harris in the process. And then have Newsom, I don't know what they're going to do. I don't know what they think they're going to get done here,

but they're going to wind up with, I mean, why is Mitt Romney threatening to switch parties right now? Well, because if they're getting ready to create a vacancy at the top of the presidency, at the top of the thing, they may wind up with a split ticket because the Republicans control the house. So they have to get rid of Biden and create President Harris, even temporarily. Well, the Republicans are going to put a Republican in as vice president. there's nothing the Democrats can do about this.

And that means that Mitt Romney has to switch sides in order to keep the thing balanced. Right. So clearly there's a lot of negotiating and positioning and, you know, troops are moving around. Mineral envelopes were hitting desks all over the hill. Tom, can you, can you, I just want to make sure I got that correct. If Biden gets put out to pasture, right? He's no longer the president. Harris goes in.

who decides who the vice president becomes it it's it starts in the house it's the house the house of representatives has to make the decision this is why Biden is still president because they don't want to turn this over to Harris and then they got and then they have to come up with a way to figure out how to you know justify the first woman president not being the de facto leader of the party remember Obama did this in 2016 when he passed over the sitting two. term vice president Joe Biden to allow Hillary Clinton to run. He got Biden to step aside. And he probably got Biden to step aside because Joe was as corrupt as the day as long. And it wouldn't be hard. And they just, you know, threatened them with it. He said,

your turn will come later. And I mean, the more I look at this, the more I realize this is just Obama's fourth term. Even the Trump administration was really an Obama shadow government for all and purposes and anything that matter. And it's an ineffective third term for Obama. And now we have the fourth term. And so they've got to figure out a way to get all of this. I don't know how to get it done. And this is another one of those things where they're like standing here like trying to force, you know, there's going to have to be a major negotiation between the GOP and the DNC in order to move out Biden, not prosecute him for being a traitor because he's clearly clear. caught like red-handed in acts of treason and they have him dead to rights for treason,

that means that there's a negotiation going. And so what is that negotiation going to look like? It's going to be a Gerald Ford style scenario with Richard Nixon. But they got rid of Agnew first. They'll put somebody else in that they can trust. And that will be, who is it going to be? Who can be acceptable to both sides? is this point. Med Romney? No. But I mean, like, how are they going to get rid of Harris?

I mean, I, what are they going to do? Because remember, you get rid of Biden and Harris and you can't come up with a, you can't come up with a person. The Speaker of the House becomes president. Like, and again, I go back to what I open this, this thing with. And I'll turn over the microphone just a second, Alex, which is the following. Like, everything is about the capital markets. these things are always done. They're always brought up. If you want a false flag incident, the best thing to do now is to get rid of Joe Biden, create a game of thrones at the top of the American political system.

What is that going to do to capital overseas? It's going to freeze it. Continue to freeze it. Continue to ensure that, well, there's still a bid under German blois, even though the German economy is being, rapidly de-industrialized, right? I mean, this is the kind of thing that you have to, like, this is why these things are important and how they interface, the politics informs the way the markets react,

and the markets inform how the politics react, and they, there's a, it's a, it's a given take in both of these things. So if you're the evil homunculi over in Davos that, you know, want to take over the fucking world, well, you got to do everything imaginable to ensure that the United States says it's dysfunctional as possible for as long as possibly. an order to keep Europe from falling into an abyss. Because if, look, if you're a hedge fund manager and you control a couple billion dollars worth of, worth of assets, you've got to figure out what you're doing on all this shit.

And you look over Capitol Hill and you see, you know, President Harris and Gavin Grusom and all the rest of this and, you know, the trainee brigade. And then you're looking at France and you're going, yeah, but Paris is on fire. Right. And you're like, what do I do? Right. But if we don't have the training. brandy brigade on the hill and we got France on fire.

Then they go, oh, well, they got this taken care of. The United States isn't as bad as we thought it was. Hey, let's go look into what's going on with the Bundesmann. I heard that they were bankrupt the other day. And then all of a sudden, real positioning starts. Like, they've got until Labor Day, right? Because once Q4 starts and everybody goes at the end of, you know,

the end of Q3, right? So we're talking October 1st. Once we get into Q4 and the hedge fund managers, and the family offices start going, okay, well, the quarter's over. I've done my book squaring. They got through Q2. They got to get to the Q3N.

Like, by October 1st, I think this whole thing explodes in Europe, unless, you know, we get an October surprise here in the United States. And you ask yourself, why is it always an October surprise? It's because of the capital markets. Because bonuses are paid in the hedge fund world

and, you know, on the quarter. and reports are, you know, financial reports are filed on the quarter. Like, there's a sincere, you know, correlation between these events and when they come out. And so, you know, ignoring that stuff and being a financial analyst is just dumb. You can't ignore it because it's staring at the face. And the more, the crazier the politics gets, the more ludicrous the capital market effects become. Rant off. I'm blank a little bit.

I don't know what to add. That would... Well, how about this, Alex? That would improve on Tom's analysis. I was talking about the United States, with Tom, certainly having Tom sitting in the United States is a healthy dose of reality from that perspective. You sit over, you're over in Croatia right now.

You certainly are in that side of the world. I don't know. I hear this all the time. It's like, yeah, France is burning. It's like, but how much is it actually burning? How much can I actually trust those videos? And, you know, there's a healthy degree of skepticism to everything now. What's going on over there that you think people really need to be paying attention to

or probably aren't hearing anything about? Honestly, I'm not sure. I think it's, we are in such a massive mess that, you know, like, every day something can happen. But, you know, what? There's like things are going on on all fronts. You know, there's a public discontent, which is, you know, very, very substantial and it's only getting worse. We're going into the next winter. The bricks are about to, you know, introduce new currency.

The Bundesbank is bankrupt. The ECB is printing like there's no tomorrow. The Davos people are still trying to destroy farming in Holland, France, Germany, Ireland, all over the place. Russia is winning the war. Ukraine is losing the war. Countries like Poland, which are overrun with Ukrainian refugees are overwhelmed and sick and tired of the situation there's a you know there's a there's a there's a there's a discontent that's bubbling below the surface summer is you know summer is a

funny thing people people turn to other things and so you don't you know you don't really see anything very big going on it's it's almost like you're in the eye of the hurricane but you know you mentioned the the France being on fire we we France was on fire for five or six days, whatever it was. And then all of a sudden it went away. And I was like, what the hell happened? Well, you know, the French, they don't riot five days.

When they go out, they go out for weeks and months. What was this? Five days? And then they all just decided, yeah, okay, you know, we made our point. We don't really need justice for that young man who was killed by the French police. How did that happen? Do you know how that happened? The drug dealers set everybody at peace. So this is, I'm dead serious.

So the official narrative is that the drug dealers in France thought that it wasn't really good for business to have 45,000 French cops out on the streets. So they took it upon themselves to somehow push all the hooligans to go back home. Somehow they coerced them to peace. That's the story that made rounds in French media at the beginning of July. And we're supposed to believe that because that was, you know, Emmanuel Macron, went to visit the police station in the 17th, Arondissement in Paris, and that's what he was told. They told him like, it was the drug dealers who took care of this for you.

I mean, you mentioned my article about the riots in France, and my suspicion from the get-go was that this was a false flag, that this was out of the color revolution toolbox, which was, which was dealt out to France and to Emmanuel Macron because they were breaking ranks with the Western Alliance. What was he doing? He was talking about NATO being a brain-dead alliance, about Europe needing its own security deal, you know, European army. He was talking about the Europeans needed to recognize France's, sorry, Russian security concerns, You know, the war in Ukraine can only be finished by negotiations.

He was saying that, you know, we need better relationships with China and with Russia. And then, you know, what he did just days before the riots broke out was probably what overflowed. He asked South African president to have a seat at the Brick Summit in South Africa. this at the end of this month or August whenever. And so I think that he got a warning. And I think that the only magical explanation for how these riots turned out to be the most violent ones is 2005. Parts of France looked like war zones.

There were like hundreds of cars burned. Dozens of police stations attacked and burned. Government buildings attacked and burned. black lives matter style rioting looting all over the place and then suddenly it all died from one day to the next I think that somewhere in the backroom deals France kind of promised okay we're gonna be good we're gonna behave and you know what I what I consider the Anglo-American establishment said okay so So we made our point.

You got the message. Now, you know, tow the line. I think that that's what happened. The notion that the drug dealers fix the situation is absolutely absurd on the face of it. I mean, you know, like if 45,000 police are now busy dealing with riots, I don't know if that's bad for drug business or not. You know, they're distracted. Maybe it's good for drug business.

What precedent do we have of drug dealers being guardians of law and order in any nation? I don't think very many. But it was a narrative that somebody, you know, contrived to explain how something that usually never happens did happen, namely, you know, France exploding into a social uprising, and then six days later, you know, it all magically vanishes and goes away. So I think regardless, regardless of all these things, we're not at the end of it. You know, this is, we are at the foot of the wave that's still gathering. And I think that neither the French elites nor the German elites nor the Italian or Spanish elites

are going to suddenly fall back into line. with this Anglo-American Empire because, you know, they lost the COVID pandemic agenda. That didn't work out. They're losing the make-or-break agenda playing out in Ukraine now. And they're also getting a raw deal from, you know, from the mothership, you know, Wall Street City of London Axis. And so there's going to be more and more pressure for all of this to unravel. And we're probably going, yeah, as Tom said, October is probably,

October things are probably start coming apart at the seams. Maybe sooner, I don't know, it's hard to, it's hard to say. But, you know, once people get back from their vacation, once the school years start, once the, you know, people get back to work, we're going to see an acceleration of the unraveling into whatever the next phase of the new normal is going to be. Interesting. It's an interesting human trait about summer, you know? Like we're all like, all right.

It's time to unplug. And no matter what they try or what they want to do, it's like, yeah, it's summer. Even they don't want to try anything. You know, it's like, ah, summertime. We want to take a break, too. with all the talk of Macaron is he not a young you two can correct me on this

is he not a young global leader part of the Wef just like Trudeau is but you're saying he's criticizing NATO which I think should raise eyes brows and he's talking about can I get a seat at the bricks and just listen to what's being said

isn't that anti-Wef or am I wrong on that No I think you're I think you're right about that Sean, but things are not where they were three years ago. Okay, so three years ago, the Western Alliance might have felt smug like they held all the cards and they had these, you know, like, oh, we're going to, we're going to run the pandemic. The banks are going to take over.

You know, we're going to stage a banking coup. That happened. You know, that was, you know, there was, there was. an op-ed in the financial times written by Mario Draghi on the 29th March 2020, which you read it between the lines, they are staging a coup. The banks, the central banks are taking over political control. That happened. And then, you know, in the United States, about the same time, I think it went to effect 26th of March, the reserve ratio, the reserve ratio, the the, the reserve ratio for bank lending went to zero percent.

Never happened before. It was, I think that the bankers took over completely. And this is why we also didn't see any major bank failures. And the ones that we did see were very, you know, they didn't, they didn't trigger a financial crisis. The, that all, that all didn't work out the way it was supposed to, the way it was supposed to. And so I think that inevitably, you know, these people who thought they were part of the winning side might have second thoughts now. And then, you know, there's probably a pecking order in those groups. And some people are more equal than others. And I think that, you know, from at least from what I could see is that the French side of these, you know, weffy guys got a raw deal.

And I think that Emmanuel Macron is nothing more than their Aaron Boy, but is they who got screwed. So they probably told Aaron Boy, we're getting screwed here. Go see if you can make nice with the bricks because maybe the pastures are greener over there. Not that he suddenly grew a conscience and that he wants what's best for the French people. It's just that, you know, the French bankers, the French industrialists, first they got screwed in the aqua steel. You know, they had the deal of the century with Australia, a $37 billion contract for delivery of 12 conventional submarines. And they lost that. And their contract was simply torn up when Boris Johnson and Joe Biden and Scott Morrison announced Ocas.

And they said, like, oh, by the way, you know, we're not going to be buying these submarines from France. We're going to get them from UK and the United States. and the French were absolutely livid. They said this was a stab in the back. It sets our relationship with the United States in doubt. We don't know to what extent we can trust our American and British allies anymore. So that was real. They also got completely screwed out of their interest in the Middle East

with the Western defeat in Syria. The August deal also had the added bonus. because you know the French for centuries had you know colonial influence in the Indo-Pacific region well they got squeezed out of there pretty much as well and so it's been one slap in the face after another so I think it's normal to expect that these you know French bankers and and industrialists are thinking we you know we need to be dealing with China we need to be dealing with with Russia we You need to see, you know, this bricks market is now bigger than, you know, our allies.

You know, maybe we don't want to lock ourselves into this block where we're going to get screwed and treated like a second class partner. So I think that between 2020, before all these agendas unraveled, and today, when they did, I think there's a lot of infighting. I think there's a lot of, there's fracturing of these inner alliances between people at the World Economic Forum, London, Washington, New York, Paris, and so forth. And so all of that, all of that probably brought Macron to seem like a responsible leader acting on behalf of his people. But that, that I think was just an appearance that just happened to kind of align that way. yeah i i i agree Alex i macrone at the at a minimum remember from the beginning i've always said that i always thought that the that what davos was attempting to do was to get the united states involved in wars with people that would drain its vitality and then allow europe to be the

and fight your again fight europe's wars for them as always um and uh and then drain itself of its political, cultural, and military and economic vitality. And then at the end of that cycle and that process, they could digitize the entire economy. They go for wiping out the old European sovereign debt through the issuance of perpetual bonds, issued the digital euro and the whole. And that was their plan.

And that plan was very, very carefully orchestrated. And in 2020, they really did think that they were going to get rid of Jerome Powell at the Fed. They spend all of 2020 discrediting Powell. Then they spent all of 2021 trying to get rid of Powell and not reconfirm him. And then by 2022, 2022, Powell's like, no, I'm, I'm kind of in charge and interest rates are now 5%. You know, like, be like Jay. Jay doesn't give a shit.

And, you know, the whole balloon meme, right? Like, I've got a version of that with Jay Powell. It's hilarious. So when you look at it, that. way, France did get screwed by all of this. And Davos always wanted an out. You know, at the very least, even if you couldn't get the United States to go fight a major war against the Russians, even just getting them to destroy the old international order of finance by putting the sanctions on, you know, and stealing the Russians foreign exchange

reserves, all the ridiculous sanctions that are, you know, and, you know, and, you know, carrying up all, you know, the UN charter, international law, all of it in order to get this done. And it didn't work. Well, the fallback position is now there, everybody's just blaming the United States. Has nobody noticed? Has nobody noticed that Europe is the biggest proponent of the de-dollarization meme that's going on around there? It's not the Russian and Chinese media doing this.

It's the fucking British and German media doing this and the French media doing this. This is a classic. It's exactly what I said three freaking years ago that these people were getting ready to throw the United States out to hang. If the United States didn't do what they wanted us to do, which was to go fight Russia and destroy ourselves. So it was going to be one of these Kets 22s. You get to be destroyed or you get to be destroyed. We get to win because we're the old colonial powers and we want our colonies back. This is my very American point of view on this.

Okay. And so go ahead, Alex. No, Tom, brilliant. I'm very glad you brought that up because that's another element that's part of the whole Gordia knot we're looking at today. Right. There are forces in Europe that, you know, as they're beginning to lose control of the United States, they want to break the United States. You know, there are still old, you know, old British empire interests that, you know, there are two ways of going with the United States. United States either there are dependency or we want to destroy the United States and that's very real and the narrative has started to ramp up you know you can see

it from these types like like Fiona Hill yeah who are now suddenly you know in their in their very high-browed way they're delivering these speeches and presentations about how everything that's gone wrong is the fault of the United States And all we did was by being a sincere partner, we went along with a very ill-advised adventure. But my God, you know, like, it's all them. You know, like we were just absolutely. Alex, I could see this. I could smell this thing coming a mile away back in 2020.

I wrote about it. Everybody thought it was nuts. I heard. I got nothing but I got nothing but push back and appropriate from people about it. And I'm like, and that's what I told. it with with people who are in our space this is when i i this is when i went i went whole hog during covid after kately johnstone and her rabbit anti-americanism and you know and others in this space and i i stopped reading moon of alabama because bernard came out as clearly fucking german

intelligence at that point i was like no i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not gonna stand here and watch a bunch of shitbag europeans bad mouth the united states when we're the ones where we built your asses after we fought your friggin' war for you you in in in in in in 1945 in the 1940s and then we rebuilt you and now you want to stare now you want to tear us apart again like no i'm done with that i'm just i'm so over this crap the united states has got many many sins for which it is going to pay dearly but we're going to take care of it and we're not going to have a bunch of shitbag europeans tell us that we're that we're that we're that we're the uncouth yanks you think that you think we are i'm just not buying that merit i'm not

buying it i'm not buying it i'm not buying it i'm not buying it's a yeah that's it's it There's no reason to buy it. Because as Alex clearly pointed out earlier, without popular support in the United States to fight this war in Ukraine, this war in Ukraine would be ramping up today. We would have World War III if it had worked. It didn't work. Because the American people have been fundamentally anti-war for decades. The only time we ever really went fully pro-war was after Pearl Harbor and after 9-11. that's it

that's on Americans and then even then we got the war in Iraq and we got a bunch of you know and then 20 years in Afghanistan but Trump won in

2016 because he was the anti-war candidate Obama won in 2008 because he was the anti-war candidate like this is nothing new so I George Bush

won yeah George Bush was also anti-war, you know. I remember very clearly him talking about like no more nation building. We're going to conduct a humble foreign policy. We're going to treat with other nations like partners, you know, not like global police force, blah, blah, blah. So, you know, American people go.

They just move back and forth from party to party, whoever they want to have. Yeah, yeah. But this, you know, like this, this narrative that everything is the United States. fault is very false it's coming from the old oligarchic colonialist circles you know these these these multi-generational degenerate families that are still at least partly or largely in charge in Europe and who you know if okay so here's here's the deal the the the conflict that we're witnessing in the world, in the broadest possible context,

it has to be formulated as a conflict between two models of governance. This is what they tell us themselves. This is what George Soros put exactly in those terms. And it's not just, you know, nation versus nation. It's like a network of vested interest within certain nations versus everybody else, not just Russia, China, bricks, global south, but also their own policy. population because, you know, the whole thing with the digital currencies, with the vaccine passes, with the lockdowns, with all of this nonsense, it's all, you know, like it's war on your own population and at the same time it's a war against, against foreign countries. It's simply an attempt to establish a global dominance, you know, the project for the new American century or whatever you want to call it, a great reset, new

New World Order, Agenda 2030. Yeah, World. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Build Back Better and all of those things. It's that. This is who we are up against. And, you know, they have enemies among most of us, 99.9% of everybody.

And then, you know, they now happen to have worthy adversary in, on the geopolitical, worthy adversaries on the geopolitical scenes. But they are, you know, they are, lest anybody should be confused, you know, when we talk about this happening between Russia and the United States and China, you know, like, you know, when they say like, oh, the Chinese are coming against us, like, wait, first, first, let's be clear about who us is, and I ain't part of it, you know.

Right. It's not, it's not me they're coming after that. They're coming after Western, multigenerational degenerate oligarchies. That's who they're coming against, because this is who's been in charge for the last few centuries and has been one of the one of the worst malignancies of humanity since at least the roman empire all right so you know the for for this this particular model of governance so let's say the old european oligarchies have already lost they've already lost so the covid thing unraveled the war in ukraine unraveled they're done so they're there

Their hope of preservation is to carve out a block, to erect an iron curtain, and to try to regroup, rearm, build up strength for the next hurrah, which might happen in 20, 30, 50 years, whenever. Now, this block would, as I see it today, potentially consist of the UK, Canada, maybe Australia, New Zealand, maybe some, northwestern European countries, maybe some countries like Poland and the Baltic states, whatever. But it's all for not if they cannot include the United States in this block. If they don't, they're not viable.

No. They're, you know, a collection of jokers, chihuahuas, you know, like a gaggle of rabid chihuahuas. With the United States, they become a credible force. course. So, you know, I think that the whole fight right now is to try to tie down the United States into this block to make sure that it has a chance in the future. And so, you know, if the United States goes the way of populism, you know, be it RFK Jr, be it Donald Trump or I don't know if Desantis is for real, but like let's pretend that he is. If it goes that way, which is what I think that the bulk of the the American people actually want, then they lost the United States. And then they remain a gaggle of rabid chihuahuas. And in that case, it will probably be preferable to break the United States, to carve it into pieces, and keep it under control in that way, which is what the British Empire attempted to do in 1860s when the United States had the civil war. It's nothing.

And who, yeah, who preserved the unions, who helped preserve the union? It was the Russian intervention, which was carefully scrubbed from the curriculum, but it's nevertheless not a conspiracy theory. It's, it's a matter of record. Yeah, it's, Alex, I could, you know, as I said earlier, I can see this coming a mile away a couple of years ago. It was very clear, like, this is where, and you can see, this is why looking at everything, not just from the financial markets

or from the geopolitical maneuvers, but you look at the culture war here in the United States. How did we get to trainees? How did we get to? You know, look, I have my things that I love in this life, right? And how important they are to me. I've said this on multiple podcasts. I'm like, dudes, I'm an unabashed Star Wars nerd,

and I can tell you there's a reason why. Okay? It's because for having grown up an American in the 1970s, when Marxism was divorcing, it was destroying the, for the first time they had their hooks into a generation that was being brought up by the television set, being divorced from their old culture, okay, through rampant inflation, through the breakdown of the, of the nuclear family, the parents, the mom having to go back into the, going to the workforce, and all that shit that happened in the Depression of the 1970s, fuck you, it was not a goddamn recession.

It was the actual Great Depression in the United States because it created a cultural malaise that forged Gen X. And to be honest with you, the one guy in fucking America who saw this coming was George Lucas. And that's why he wrote Star Wars. Star Wars was a thing to help a generation of men who were being told their masculinity was toxic and that they didn't have any fucking purpose.

This is your path to purpose and path to empowerment. it. And he did it in the absolute right way, the most amazing way imaginable. Because we didn't trust our old systems anymore. We didn't trust the educational system. We didn't trust our churches. We didn't trust our families. That's the imprinting of the Generation X in the United States. And by the way, it's why our boomer parents fucking hate us. And we'll spend every goddamn dollar they have on their own health care, pumping freaking insulin into their veins as opposed to putting down the fucking donut and live it and and and and and and live it high on the hog and not make you sure that

there's nothing for their kids and the millennials behind us get this as well okay they know they're even more fucked because they watched their parents and grandparents go broke three times in the last 20 years y2k 2008 and covid like they're fucked like there's this This has been a fucking plan. And I hate to be hitting the F-bomb, you know, button really hard here. But this is big. And so they're even trying to destroy Star Wars, folks, because they have to destroy everything. Fucking commies both build anything.

They destroy everything they touch. You cannot have, what's the line from Fight Club after he, after the Edward Norton beats the crap out of Jared Lado? What the hell was wrong? What the hell was up with you? what the hell is up with you, man? What's going on? He's like, I just wanted to destroy something beautiful. Like, that's the impulse of these vandals.

If they can't win, they will burn it to the ground. It's the Joker from the Dark Night. Okay, that's who we're fighting. And everything is under fire. So do you think that they wouldn't spend $100,000 amplifying a bunch of frigging nihilistic millennials on YouTube, the shit all over Darth Kathleen Kennedy? Yeah, it's like the cheapest culture war bucks you can spend.

And that's what they're doing. And then the tranny bathrooms. And then, you know, and then, you know, stripper story hour for the four-year-olds and all the rest of it. Like this is, I mean, it's just not that expensive. And this is what they're doing. So if they can't win, they'll create this nonsense. And once you start thinking strategically, like, you know, like these frigging satanic, unbelievable homunculi and these people are homunculi have you looked at any of them

jesus they're so freaking inbrain like once you realize that that's who you're fighting like oh so maybe kruberk was warning us all about all this shit going all the way back to lalita like go look at stanley kruberks uvra from lulita forward and tell me that he wasn't trying to warn us about these people like this is what we're dealing with and the desire to destroy anything uniquely American that gives Americans any kind of comfort has been, is being ritualistically destroyed at every level.

And, you know, and false, pale substitutes in comparison are being handed to us. So we're going to destroy Star Wars and we're going to get you Marvel. Okay? Like, no. Okay? This is the point. I get so very obvious.

I have something to say on account of this. I have two, I have like 11-year-old and a 13-year-old. And so I'm a Marvel victim unwittingly. You know, I get to watch Marvel films. And I, for the life of me, I can't get it. Like, what the hell? It's all just a bunch of, uh, uh, fight. special effects

and I can tell whether there's a story in there because if it is they hit it really well I don't like that why do you guys like that? Even the good ones aren't all that good there's only about four or five good marble that's 30 of the day made. You know that's serious. That's the amateur screenwriter that I am

and like the amateur film producer and critic that I am. I wouldn't consider myself an amateur film critic. You're reminding me you said. I'm better than most people. remind me something Tom the next time I have you on we're talking nothing but Star Wars everybody hear that nothing but Star Wars I'll be happy to do two I know I know we will and we're gonna do that because I'm just getting labeled Star Wars

that's right all right sorry sorry you know no but you know what what what I think is interesting is that you know this this was being done for decades now we know that you know like people like Jason Jackson Pollock and that other guy, you know, with the blonde hair, was drawing Campbell's suit things. Oh, Andy Warhol and Mark Roscoe. Andy Warhol, we know that they were all funded by the CIA. It was that. It was part of this cultural war.

And so it went into jazz, blues, rock and roll, films, TV series, everything. But, you know, it was clever. It was subtle. and it has some staying power today it seems to me that it's it's it's cheap it's stupid it's it's glib and trivial and i think that it's having probably uh the counter effect that you know like okay so some people are falling for it you know but many people it seems to me that most people are turning away i mean look at like fewer and fewer people go to disney anymore people are well i think disney is i'll be honest with the alexus i've talked to

about this a lot recently, certainly behind the scenes. I haven't talked about it publicly as much, but I firmly believe that Disney as a property is being as part of, it's in the crosshairs to be destroyed so that everything good that ever came out of Disney as, you know, that, you know,

has to be destroyed as well. And so now they're destroying everything all the way down the line because they have to. Like if you see, right, Disney. Have you seen the, the snow white, what they're doing there?

Yeah, of course. You know, all the dwarves, all the dwarves are not dwarves. Right. They're of all different ethnicities. There's, there's, you know, not dwarves. There's actually multicultural women, men, you get it. I just watched an interview with the main lady playing Snow White. She's not going to be, by sounds of it, she's not going to be saved by a man at the end.

She's going to rise up and she's going to be empowered. And like, so, why call it so? Well, I mean, look, the, the, the, the, the, and, I, got to remember that this stuff goes even deeper than what we've talked about so far. I mean, like, I think the whole Black Rock Vanguard voting our proxy thing that has destroyed, that destroyed Bud Light.

I think Bud Light was a feature. I think they purposely decided. So I think they purposely destroyed Bud Light. I think they're purposely destroying Disney. I can tell you, I know this. You know, I've talked to people about this and they're like, yeah,

guess what? Disney can't get funding for these projects, even if they wanted to do them right, because the people holding the purse strings are saying you have to do it this way. And then Disney gets blamed for this. The same thing I ran into with Patreon, for example. Like, Patreon is a very small company.

I use this example all the time. It's like, look, people get, Patreon to like, you know, whack somebody and says, well, you're not going to, you can't, you can't be on our platform anymore. I'm not saying that there aren't tumblerinas at a Patreon that have whacked people because they don't like them. I'm not saying that.

What I'm saying is not every one of those instances of a person getting whacked on Patreon came from internally from the Patreon. There's a lot of outside pressure that happens, where somebody comes in and goes, oh, by the way, you know, it would be a real shame if you didn't get rid of Jordan Peterson because if you don't, then you won't have a bank account tomorrow. Now, Patreon is a small company, about 45, 50 people. They make about $5.5 million to $6 million a year.

They have no power. ever ever have you ever have you ever have you know i've looked at you know they've looked at you know they're a private company but they you know they post some stuff about themselves you go look they don't make that much money like if if george sorrows comes in and goes or when i think comes in and goes you will get rid of this guy guess what that guy's gone and they can't say anything about that so they have to take the appropriate they take the brand hit they take the revenue they take everything and disney's in that position today believe it or not even Disney is not amused to this.

The only company that is is Apple. Which is wild, you know, with Disney. Like that, that's honestly, Tom, that's, that's wild, right? But you watch, you know, you just watch what content. But it also means that the entertainment industry has a real opportunity here to change the way it's, the way, way content is created in a way that we all talked about it happening 25 years ago when the technology to make movies was becoming. democratize when you can go out and get a you know a camera a digital camera and do a setup and you i mean like you don't need much anymore to make you you need a good script well barely even need fucking actors anymore like look at look at sound of freedom tom sound of freedom uh wanted to

sell two million tickets last time i checked i'd interviewed a guy on it and we interviewed on let's say tuesday and by the time uh it aired on friday it went from uh you know they'd sold five million to nine million and it just keeps going up and up and and up and up and up and up and up and that's something that was mothballed and they didn't want pushed out Disney bought it and wouldn't push it and eventually it's Angel Studios that pushes it out and and now it's you know all across it's out selling you know Indiana Jones and things like that and and and it's a it's a real and here's an interesting thing of this and I and I'm happy for Southern Freedom I really am and I'm but I think at the end of

the day I'm also really sad that everybody's kind of jumping on the bandrag and that you know oh look isn't it great that Indiana Jones failed at the box office even though, by the way, it was a good movie. Was it a good movie? Yeah, it was a great movie about getting old. It wasn't great, but it was good enough. It was certainly better than Crystal Skull, and I'll be honest with it, it was better than Temple of Doom.

Like, Indiana Jones movies, like they're like Microsoft operating systems. Only the odd-numbered ones are any good, you know. Well, boys, I appreciate you giving me time today and talking a whole host of different things. It's never a dull, a dull moment having you both on, and I truly enjoy it. I tell this, I said this to you guys when you're in, you know, here in Lloyd, that I hope one day to get where both you sit, you know, come to Florida,

head over across seas to visit Alex, because I think it'd be really cool to come to your home territory and see where you guys do business. Either way, I appreciate you giving me time today and doing this and look forward to our chats here in the future. Sean, thank you. Always a pleasure and a privilege, and great to connect with Tom again. no, same here.

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