Shaun Newman Podcast - #473 - Patrick Phillips

Episode Date: August 4, 2023

Former family physician from Ontario who has had his medical license stripped for medical misinformation. Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Patreon: www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by Patrick Phillips. So first of, sir, thanks for hopping on. Thank you for having me on. Now, I've known a bit about your story. I certainly had seen some headlines and some different things.

And I've seen some interviews, et cetera. but you know so many things happened over the course of how many years you know that we've been rolling through COVID and and some of the long-lasting effects of it for the people who don't know who Patrick is maybe you could give us a little bit of a background on yourself yeah so up until recently I was a family doctor I'm also doing family in emergency medicine in northern Ontario I basically ended up seeing a lot of harms from the lockdowns towards the end of 2020. And that really started irking my conscience, especially when I saw that the science wasn't lining up with what public health

was saying. What I was seeing in the emergency department was not lining up. And basically, I just felt eventually that I couldn't lick myself if I didn't speak out and at least bring another side to the story about the public health measures so that we can have a more balanced view, I guess, on them. So that's kind of how things started. I started a Twitter account, started doing a lot of interviews like this,

about lockdowns, about the PCR testing, all of those things, where I don't think we were getting the truth from the government, from our medical establishment, or others, and that got me in trouble with the authorities. So that was the main thing that they started coming after me for was basically for undermining what they say public health orders through what I had to say. Then because I also had a medical opinion that differed from the authorities,

I also acted on that in some cases too as well. So I did prescribe Ivermectin. to some patients. I wrote quite liberally vaccine exemptions to patients.

I don't what else I do? You basically did everything they said for you not to do. Yeah, I mean, at least within the COVID era, other than that I was pretty, like

your stay standard everyday doctor before all of this kind of came through. Or my conscience just did not line up with how what we were asked to do. Yeah, it's, you know, it's, it's interesting on the podcast, we've, you know, we've, so many good Canadian doctors share a similar story to you, you know, out here I sat down with, you know, like all these names now of, if you're, you know, if you're listening at that time or even now, you know, Dr. Eric Payne, Dr. Francis Christian,

Dr. William Macass, you know, the list just goes on and on and on and on and I don't need to rattle them all off, you know. But, I mean, there's a whole group of you that went, this doesn't feel right. This doesn't seem right. Now, you've been in, I'll butcher this a bit, but, you know, you've been in front of the tribunal for College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario or against them. or however, you know, it is, I'm kind of fast forwarding the story because, you know, one of the things that really interested me about, you know, following you on Twitter is here's this doctor who comes from, you know, Ontario, this dealing in the heart of COVID, you know, speaks out about it like so many other doctors, you know, the ivermectin, which, you know,

I truckle about now, folks, because it's just like, even today, I just think it's, I just think it's so bloody ridiculous, you know, like, but I, I, I think it's, I just think it's so bloody ridiculous, you know, But I think a lot of us think that. And it's just, you know, what more can one say about it when there's absolutely going after it? You know, there's so many doctors trying to continue to speak out and suing and everything else. Anyways, I digress. One of the things that I found very different about your story, and maybe I'm wrong on this, is you've actually been, your license been taken away.

You seem very at peace with that. and I kind of wanted to just, you know, tell us a little bit about that. Because you work your entire life, Patrick, to get to be a doctor. I assume you liked it. I don't hear that you were this extreme guy, you know, beaten on the drum before COVID. So COVID destroy another career like it did so many others. But you're at peace with it, and I found that very fascinating. So I thought maybe we could discuss, you know, from that point on, what's changed?

What happened? Yeah, yeah, it's kind of an interesting story, I guess. So, yeah, kind of, I've always kind of been a bit of a spiritual person a little bit. I've delved in psychedelics a little bit in my undergrad, but other than that, I kind of left it behind there. But through this whole process of speaking out and whatnot, it honestly, and being under investigation and then processing, and then prosecuted for years, right? It's not just months, like it's years of going through this. It's a very painful process.

And I think a lot of people have been through a lot of pain through this whole COVID process, whether it's losing your job, whether it's getting fined or arrested or others of people who have been speaking out. But, yeah, I definitely encountered a lot of pain. And as much as I was following my conscience and I felt like what I was doing was right, And yeah, I just, I felt like I was face to face with pain. And in a lot of that, I took up a practice of meditation. I read a lot of spiritual texts.

And while I was kind of in this process of speaking out at the same time, I was very much taking a course inward. And that really accelerated, particularly when I lost by license. So I became unemployed. And it gave me a lot of time that I would actually spend in meditation like hours per day. And it's not a, it is a pleasant process, but it isn't. But I would spend a lot of time because you're really processing the pain. And as I did that, things started to change in me. So I started to see the more I fought on the external level. Like I continued my fight against the college.

Like I, because I felt like what I did was the right thing. And so like even though it probably was hopeless for me, I hoped to to win for some constitutional rights or whatever. But part of that process, that process just got worse and worse as time went on. We would lose case after case. Other doctors and even patients went to the, the court against CPSO and lost for their medical privacy rights.

Anyway, I was just getting message after message. This is not the way. But more so, what I realized is that I was harboring inside me a lot of resentment, right, because of what happened. And my career was destroyed and destroyed in a sense that not just they took my license, but really when they do that, they delve through all of your charts. they find things that you actually did wrong or whatever. And so they dig up all of that and all that gets put on your record.

And so you kind of become unlicensable somewhat after that. And the problem is too is they have that power to do with anybody. If they dig up enough doctor's charts, they can find mistakes and things. And that, but yeah, I would say what I realized is, is, yeah, it was harboring a lot of resentment in me, and it caused a lot of pain. I felt hopeless for our country. I felt hopeless for my career. And when I really sat with that pain, it becomes so painful that it's like you almost,

you don't want to live anymore. Like, honestly, it led me to drink like I never drank before in my life, just to quell a pain, what was going on. And, but when I was able to sit with the pain, long enough and go get to that place of giving up. You're just so painful like your brain almost has to, something has to shift when you go into the pain for that long and deep enough. And when I did that, I had this most profound experience of peace that I've ever had in my life where I really kind of came into the present moment and almost like you just come into,

this space of oneness where you just feel like everything is perfectly okay exactly as it is you're brought to this peace and almost joy like it's almost like that i don't know you've heard chakras or whatever but like this pain that i feel in the pit of my stomach and that was there most of the time really shifted into my heart where uh you feel more unconditional love and what's crazy about it is that when I experienced that, because it was so powerful and so it's like the fulfillment of all your desires they ever wanted. It's that piece that you can't get through anything else, and it's unconditional. Crazily, what happened is I actually developed a gratitude for the college and all of these awful people that were doing these things to me, right? That's how I saw.

because they were that experience was able to bring me to that piece that I found on the inside and at first I get little glimpses of that and we kind of come and go and then there'd be more pain to process and more to kind of go through but more and more I kind of learned that lesson and it became more my standard state than than sitting in the pain as much and as much as I kind of continued on with the legal process because I joined up with some other doctors and I forced some motion to try to get back my license or dismiss the cases.

All of those failed. But actually what I found was happening, interestingly, is that more and more I just really didn't care. I felt like I was moving on. I felt like I found something that means way more to me than the medical career ever put. it. And so at one point, this was just like a month ago or whatever, I decided, look, this is the end. This is the end of it. Because what actually happened was we were trying to get an expert witness for me to go to my trial.

And that expert witness fell through. There was, I don't know, some sort of a skirmish getting the medical files transferred over. and it just ended up in more conflict and other things. But what my lawyer told me, look, we missed the deadline. We couldn't get the expert. Which basically made the court case relatively hopeless, except on some legal grounds. But what struck me the most about that is that when my lawyer told me, look, our expert witness fell through.

We missed the deadline. I actually felt happy. I was like, oh, good. She didn't have a way. Because I didn't want to continue with all. So that's kind of, I mean, there's obviously more detail to it, but that was kind of the confirmation for me, really, that I moved on. But if you kind of want to get a little more picture of why I might not want a medical license, I also just saw looking into the future that this was not going to be my first skirmish with the CPSO. I'm seeing the way the medical system is going

and I know that COVID is just the beginning. Basically, they're transforming the medical practice from an individualized care that where the patient is in the driver's seat, they're able to choose. We as doctors present you with options about your treatment and within any safe options, the patient should be able to make a choice about how they want to proceed with their care. But that's being thrown out.

And the way that they're enforcing medical regulation now is that they put out guidelines. And if you don't follow those guidelines, you're out. Even if those guidelines are wrong, which they often are. Often guidelines are meant to just present evidence. But sometimes it's very weak evidence that is not even really true. then it's very different from a giant clinical trial or multiple trials or whatever. But as physicians, we're meant to interpret evidence and then present that to patients so that they can make choices. And that's been being taken away.

So if you don't follow the guidelines, which are often sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, you are very much at risk of losing your license because they can just bring in an expert to say you didn't follow the guidelines. The other thing too is there's trans issues. It's another issue I feel really strongly about as much as it's pretty rare for a doctor to run into a trans child or a parent who claims their child as trans. That is going to become a very common and very frequent occurrence now with what's going on in schools. And I feel very strongly through my own story. We get into that if you want to, but I actually had gender dysphoria as a child. child and had the benefit of going to therapy, what they call conversion therapy, but really

it was therapy, right, to deal with some trauma that had to do with gender, but that led me to not really want to feel like one of the boys and didn't really want much to do it meant, but that led me to not wanting to be a boy for a long period of childhood. But I went to therapy and that helped with that. It didn't convert me from being gay, and still gay, but it did help me feel more comfortable in my masculinity and in my body, which I think is a really positive thing. But that's now a crime in Canada to even suggest that a child who was deemed to be trans might feel best if they're just encouraged to feel comfortable in their own body. And so I know, like, if I ran into that child in my practice, I would tell them the truth

and tell them my honest opinion. I wouldn't necessarily follow the law. And so I knew I would, like that was kind of a tick and time bomb in the future. The other one is made. Maid is now becoming a solution to social problems and other things. And according to the CPSO, you have to provide effective referral. If somebody wants made, they have a right to it. It's not just like they have that option.

You have to, if they come to a doctor and they don't do everything they can to make sure that that patient gets that service, you can also lose your license. It's called their effective referral policy that was fought, but they won. So and made, I think, as well, again, relatively rare thing. People don't run into it all the time, but it's exploding in Canada, and it's going to become a common thing. It's happening in prisons. It's happening for our veterans, nursing homes, other things of people who have either mental illness

or other social problems, and they're presenting. made as the solution, right? Just killing people. I wouldn't be comfortable with that. And so I know that I'm going in a different direction than the medical regulators. It's a sad sight to see, but I think more and more with the algorithm-based care that's very manipulated by pharmaceutical companies and these other issues, I think it was better now than later, you know, like let's get her done and move on.

That was a lot. Yeah. Sorry, you can stop me if I keep. No, no. I appreciate you being so open and honest and just upfront with where you're at. And I don't, honestly, I'm sitting here and I'll go, okay. Do we talk? Do we talk your story going through, you know, gender's,

Dysphoria and that type. You mentioned, you know, you can just see where the medical ship is going. The big ship is moving this way and it's either get off or you're running into a essentially moral crisis down the road where you're going to go to jail essentially is kind of what you're alluding to. And I don't mean to be like, that's exactly what's going to happen. But, you know, you realize there's more problems ahead that you're going to disagree with. You've already made a choice with your moral conscious here that this is not what I want to do.

And then you You just You go from being a doctor And facing What you know Everyone calls the mob But I would go one step further You face the machine here

That just is like chewing you up And spitting you out We're not changing for you We're not It doesn't matter if If Ivermectin work That's not the case anymore You know

I think of Piericori Just saying like what he didn't realize What he walked into Was a pharmaceutical war on You know Over the count or drugs, right, that people can get super cheap. They don't want that. And so you're, you know, you're going against not only the mob, but that's, that's media's portion of it, how they,

they construe who Patrick Phillips is. You're now going against this machine that doesn't care what you want. It is going to go and do what it wants. Yeah. And I'm left here, folks. This is, this is an interesting way to start, but I'm like, okay, three-pronged approach. Which road am I taken the day. I really wanted to know, you know, when I, when I, and I wrote it down, I think I wrote down here, you wrote a couple different things on Twitter, so, I mean, tweeted different things. Now it's going to be what is it going to be folks, Xing a couple of different things. I don't know what Elon is going to call it, but anyways, here was one of them. I've found so many spiritual truths in the course of, in miracles, the works of David Hawkins, Michael Singer, and even the

Gospels. Weird for me as a former agnostic atheist. These are lessons I have experienced as true and have guided my way to find peace. And one of the things I think was amazing over the course of a couple years is how many people, I would say, you know, I was closer to agnostic, you know, I just, like, you know, maybe, and we can never prove. And over the course of going to Ottawa, of running into several different things. I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, you know, I'm reading the Bible now. I'm, you know, if I'm going to learn some truths, let's go to this guy named Jesus and see what he had to say, you know, like, and for some weird reason before that, that seemed like

a pretty extreme thing. Today's world, it probably is extreme. I don't really care because it's like, it's proof in the pudding. And I'm finding more and more and more people who got to the same point that I got to in their own unique way. And I just found that fascinating. I still find it fascinating how many people are gravitating back to, well, different faiths, different thought processes that started out as atheist or agnostic. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, yeah, I mean, I went through quite a journey on all of this.

I grew up in a very Catholic, like very orthodox Catholic family. But we were, yeah, super religious. Well, religious retreats all of the time. And, and I actually went into a seminary right after high school

for a couple of years. Then left all that. So what was it back then, Patrick, that you were like, this sucks. Like, I'm just not into this. Because I went to a, a seminary? Like, I mean,

you're down the whole. Yeah, it kind of. It's, I think it's not that uncommon, especially when you have a gay kid from a religious family too, right? You're trying to figure out what to do with your life and not try to get the people suspicious. I think that was, that was

a part of it. But my experience of that religion, and it's not everybody's experience of Catholicism, but for me it was so much guilt. I, I became more scrupulous than anybody else, right? And that's why I'm joining a religious order.

It was a sin to eat your salad with a small fork rather than the big board. You know, it's kind of like it was kind of ridiculous. But, and actually the religious order that I went to was exposed as extremely corrupt. There was a lot of child abuse. The leader had a bunch of family, like had a bunch of secret families and stuff like that. So, but anyway, yeah, what led me out, honestly, was just that I became miserable. I became miserable depressed and couldn't, I kept trying to plug my way through it, but I was not happy.

So I just had a bit of a breakdown and then I left. Went back home and brought a business degree. But in that process, I stopped going to church. I realized that this God that I believed in, one made me feel like shit. It was all very big. You know, I was always so guilty and I was always so afraid of mortal sin and I had to go to confession. Because otherwise, if you died before you go to confession, you're going to go to hell. So, and the closest place I'd get to confession was like an hour drive away.

So, like, it was just so, it's not a great way to grow up, at least with the kind of guilt that I had. So anyway, what I realized at one point is just kind of, I stopped going to church while I was at university. be and and I realized I just kind of believe in it because I keep repeating it in my head. So, and then I just, I kind of eventually stopped believing in God and I actually became a little more accepting of myself as gay and that kind of, I will doubt. But actually weirdly, in that process, around the time that I did that, I had this, I tried out magic mushrooms. This is in my, I think my third year in university. And when I took those, for the first time, I had this crazy experience, like where my consciousness left my body. I kind of moved up

into the universe. I became kind of more one with all that is. And I kind of came to this place where I was kind of looking down on my life. And again, it was very similar to that experience of peace that I got actually more recently. But I could just kind of realize that I'm, who I really am is so much bigger. It's kind of like it's a spiritual thing rather than this body or this character that goes to school, that writes exams, that worries about all these

basically useless things when you look at it from that upper perspective. And then as the shrooms kind of wore off, you kind of get sucked back into this little body character. right but that experience brought a big shift in that experience i felt like i experienced something that might have been god like i could sense that okay yeah i'm part of something much greater and that much thing that must greater is much more peaceful but it was not the god that i was praying to at church or um in my own prayer home the one that i was asking for mercy for my sinfulness and how awful i am you know wasn't that one.

It wasn't that one. It was something different. But right after that, that's when my belief in God fell away. I stopped going to church. That kind of fell away. And then I did meditate quite a bit at that time, but that kind of eventually petered off. But I do think that was a shift a little bit there. But, yeah. And then I was pretty much an agnostic atheist thing.

I was a little bit open to it. But, but yeah, more in the sense that there's something out there, but it's not this Sky Daddy guy who judges us and tells us what we're allowed to do and what we're owned. So in the middle of all this hatred, you know, I think you mentioned pain. You know, you just judgment, you know, you just like, dude, you, you would have, in a group of doctors in Canada, were like rock stars in all the wrong ways for, You know, the course of what, two years, you can, maybe it's longer and that, short than that, doesn't matter.

It's like, you were headlines and you just got absolutely ran through the dirt. And when you didn't think they could run you through the dirt anymore, they just ran you through a bit more. And when you thought you'd had enough, they pushed you over the cliff one more time and watched it bounce down the hill and everything else. And half the population cheered it on. I mean, maybe more than that. Like, it was pretty wild.

What is it in that process then where you, and you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you alluded to it maybe at the start Patrick but maybe I just want to be walked through it again I don't know because I'm like what a what a what a what a funny place to find you know to somehow stumble back across this you know like if you were if you're if you're if you're thinking about it you go that that doesn't make any sense on why you'd get back there um right like uh but I'm curious you know what is about that time so I think what is what it is is that this answer, this experience lies within each one of us. Really, it's always there. It's always in the background, right? We're not always aware of it, but it's, but it's there.

And the ironic thing is that there's, there's different approaches to life, right? There's the most, what most people do in the way most of us live our lives is by avoiding pain and seeking pleasure, right? Like, and in the sense that if you have emotional pain about something or, or you're worried about being poor or whatever, like, or losing your house and all of that. Often we make plans. We do things within our thoughts, within our life to try to avoid that.

And so when we're in emotional pain, we try to find ways to get out, whether it's drinking, whatever, or often it's just plans to try to get your life to be a certain way so that you can avoid that pain. And what's very ironic, this is kind of the lesson that I learned is that that pain is through that pain when you sit with that pain long enough and doesn't really matter what it is that we all have some of it as long as we

believe that we're a human being on planet earth subject to the whims of tyrannical governments and weather and whatever not that pain is always there it's hidden somewhere there's a worry you have about the future there's whether it's dying or sometimes you're not other things that you're worried about losing her marriage, whatever. But in that pain, when it comes on, if you can sit with it, that is the key to transformation. It's not so much the pain itself. But when you sit in that pain, your perspective on who you are and what the world is changes dramatically, mostly because it's so painful that you just realize this can't be the way things are. This can't be it. because you're either going to off yourself

or you're going to change your perspective. And that change of perspective is where that light comes in. That's where that piece can actually come in where you realize that this world we're living in is more of a dream. It's not a nightmare, really. Honestly, it's mostly a nightmare. Because it's a way we created

to avoid the pain and the guilt that we have from not feeling this oneness that is within our consciousness at all times. So once you learn that, then you realize that all these, so once you've caught on to that, when you've had one experience at least of that and you become open to allowing yourself to change,

what ends up happening is what they call the dark night of the soul. And so you can have this joyful oneness experience and then get ready after that your life's about to go to shit. And the reason is because everything that you've pushed out into the world about all these people are bad or all that, all these worries and worst nightmare scenarios that you have been spending your whole life trying to avoid, those are the key to bringing that oneness to be your constant experience. So what ends up happening is those like me, my worst nightmare was losing. my life since, having my reputation torn through the mud across the entire country, right?

I'm like being on a radio in my community about how, what awful person I am. All like going bankrupt and being relatively destitute. Those were all my worst case scenarios, right? And but in order for you to find unconditional peace, though it's paradoxical, but you need kind of your worst case scenarios to either happen to you or to you, or to you face them interiorly so that you're perfectly okay with them. But they're actually the gift because they're what forced you to look inward, because you're basically forced to realize that there's no,

you can't find happiness in the world. You have to find it on the inside. And so all those scenarios, all those, that vilification, all of that stuff, like that conflict needs to kind of come to the light and happen to you so that you can realize that you're okay even without it. And to forgive, to forgive your enemies, that's like number one. But once you realize that those actually bring you the piece that you've always been looking for

because they allow you to be open to it, then you actually are grateful for them. You're happy that. I am at this point grateful that the college came after me, that they trashed me, that they tore me through the mud, lessen me with nothing, right? But I've found something that I couldn't have got in any other way. And so for that, I'm actually so grateful that I'm happy. I'm grateful for them. I'm grateful for what they're done.

It sounds crazy, but it's actually true. When you find that piece on the inside, there's nothing else like it. You know, it's, oh boy, I went to Ottawa. And I was there for, I don't know, I don't know. Five, six days, Patrick. And then my family came and got me because Sean hit a brick wall. Some call it the dark night of the soul. Some call it whatever you want. What I experienced there was a ton of joy and pain all at the same time. Mainly because I realized how close I was to an enemy of the state, you know, for doing what? For talking to people who went. went against the machine. It actually still nerves me a little bit, you know? It's funny.

And over the course of a year coming back from there, it was in prayer and reading the Bible. And believe me, that sounds about as crazy coming out of my mouth. And I keep saying that because I'm like, I never thought, if you started, I started the podcast a little over,

a little under five years ago. And if I would have heard, if Sean back then could have warped forward, not understood what I'd gone through and just heard that come on. I'm like, oh my God, what the heck happened to me? You know?

But in doing that, I've found peace. And it's interesting to me because, you know, I find myself having the inner monologue conversation of, you know, like, it's kind of weird to say out loud you read the Bible. And then I remember it's like, Sean, you've literally had pretty much every, every known anti-government terrorist on the podcast, or at least that's what they label them.

It's like, at this point, if they're going to judge you about the Bible, so let it be. Like, there's no point in worrying about it anymore. Are you happy? I'm actually extremely happy. And I never thought I'd find that level of peace, especially coming out of Ottawa, because Ottawa really shattered a lot of things, misconceptions I had about maybe the world, but for sure, about Canada, you know, about what was going on. realizing how little control that I had over a lot of things and what precarious situation I was in sitting in Ottawa.

You know, it's pretty, I don't know, you have used the word pain. And I don't know what word I put to it. I guess I should think on it a bit longer. But I, like maybe powerlessness. And that's the thing, you know, like just realizing how little control I have. have on what's going on in Canada. You know, you want to think, because I firmly believe as if a group of people, I mean, look at the transgender, the LGBTQ, 2SL Plus group and how loud they've been.

And Patrick, you've mentioned your gay man. The group that has grown there, what they've been able to push and how loud they are, I have no misconception of people, if they get to. and become a loud voice what they can do to change the course of where we're heading. But the force that goes against that is like insane. And I rewind it all the way back. Now I'm meandering, but I rewind it all the way back to Ottawa, realizing how precarious of a situation we have been in in Canada

and to see it firsthand, like actually see it firsthand, is about as troubling and a... experiences you will have. Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah, it's, it was a, yeah, I guess a paradoxical thing. I went to Ottawa too just for a weekend. But it was honestly one of the most peaceful places have ever been in treatment life.

At least like when I was there and you could just feel the joy, the peace, the love. You know what I mean? It's not just that it was peaceful meaning nothing violent was happening. You could kind of feel it. atmosphere. People were happy there. They were living their life again for a while. But, but yeah, I agree at the same time. I had to, yeah, I had to face a lot of that too, the powerlessness that comes from our government. Like, we've had multiple elections over the old period and we still haven't come rid of Justin Trudeau, you know, which is kind of insane.

I mean, there's some, it's just crazy that he's still prime minister. But, but, but yeah and I had to kind of face the hopelessness of realizing that Canada is really isn't really a democracy anymore anyway there's no constitutional rights I noticed that in my case it's the freedom of speech freedom from a reasonable search and seizure all of those rights that we have under the Constitution are mean nothing they the courts have can basically ignore them it's crazy the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that your electric bills are protected under Section 8 of the Constitution, which says Canadians should all be free from unreasonable search and seizures.

They can't look at your electric bills, your utility bills. But the government has free reign. The college has free reign to take on anybody, look at anybody's medical charts, seize them and look at them without your permissioner, even having to let you know. There's no right to privacy of your medical funds. So it's like how like anyway, I, I fixated on that for a while. I thought about our rights, about freedom, all of this.

And it, honestly, the more, and that's why I clung to my case to try to fight to get some sort of a precedent to maintain some freedom, like freedom of speech or whatever. And but the more I clung to it, the more, again, it was making me miserable and depressed because we, we are like they're all getting destroyed and and taken away and I had to face that pain of the the powerlessness right of that that we there's nothing I can do um but really again like I said that that shift happened within myself when I found because when I sat with the pain for long enough I realize that what life is about uh is it shifts your perspective more so around yourself and who you are. So when you realize that when you've had that experience of that piece,

you realize that's what this life is all about. That's what we're here to do. We're here to learn lessons to be able to kind of release our negative beliefs and eventually come to the realization of who we actually are, which is the spiritual being who's always untouchable, united with God and united with everyone else. And it's that experience that we're here to actually get to. And as what I realized for me, as long as you believe that you can find happiness, that you can find peace in the world, meaning if we get the right government in, if we get a new constitution that actually works, if we restore the economy, if we allow doctors to practice a court of their consciousness, if you can change the world, then I'll be happy, right?

As long as you believe that, you're stuck, you're sucked back into this world, and you're going to guarantee be faced with disappointment because it's impossible. You can't find peace in this world. You can't make the world just the right way so that it makes you happy. It's not possible. You could think that it is and you can kind of get a little giddy on the way if you get a little sign that, oh, we want this one court case, you know. But really the world is.

here to point you the other way. And so that's what I realized what's going on with the world right now, that our government is tyrannical. It's ruled by a mafia of satanic people who want to enslave the world and our callus to the death of millions, you know, and the maiming of people through the vaccine or whatever. But when you realize that the world is here to point you the other way, that all the awfulness in the world is there actually as a gift so that you can let it go. And when you do things actually change and you realize that your enemies in the world, this is in the gospel too, right, to love your enemies. If somebody slaps your cheek, turn the other cheek.

If somebody drives you to run one mile, run two miles, right? Like that's what he's kind of talking about here. Not that you should do that because Jesus says. It's not about that, but it's the perspective change. when you realize that your enemy or some hostile person is coming after you, they're actually there to help you to look inward, to find your peace on the outside. They're here to make your life miserable so that you stop looking for peace in the world because it's not there.

So your enemies are there to turn you around. And so if you go with them and it really is a shortcut and forgive them and actually have gratitude for them, It's the biggest shortcut that you can have to finding that piece on the one side. And really, when you realize that not only me that I'm not, I'm not this Patrick Phillips or Dr. Phillips, you can lose this license and you can die and get enslaved by a digital ID or whatever, that's not who I am.

I'm just, I'm the one observing it, right? And I can let it go. And everybody else can too. And so that brings a lot of peace in my mind. And then really in the world because you see the truth. which is that we're a bunch of people living in an awful, horrible, tyrannical nightmare. But it's a nightmare. Once you realize that it's a nightmare, it's not the real thing.

It becomes a peaceful dream and you kind of just let it go and watch a ride. Not callously. You're still there to help people. You're still there to bring people peace and do what you can within the dream to help people. But you're no longer like, we need to fix this dream. We need to make the world better. It's like, no, you're always okay. you are you in this moment you're okay and you just kind of need to wake up that kind of like a child who just had a nightmare right you're just kind of comfort them and help them realize that it's okay but you might you know go along with that and check the closet for for them or whatever but um that's really our path forward and and so i'm not blind into the fact that our world is becoming this awful horrible place but when you realize that that's not

where we really are, that's where we can fire peace. Sounds crazy, I know. It's on a different level, very matter. I guess nothing sounds crazy to me anymore, Patrick, to be honest. I mean, at this point, I bring different people on because I want them to challenge my thoughts, challenge my listeners' thoughts. Give them different ideas, give them different perspectives, because I've found by having multiple perspectives on,

I usually get to a piece of knowledge that I wouldn't have thought or come to on my own. And so there's nothing crazy anymore. I mean, like, literally we're allowing kids to do things to themselves because, you know, and I guess we can, you know, like, literally doing things with children that make zero sense to me. And the fact, you know, you're going to, you know, what you just said, trying to label that as crazy. I'll get like crazy is what's going on in the world today. And the fact that we try and justify it as not being crazy is pure insanity to me. It just, we've already gone so far.

And, you know, when you're an adult, I keep coming on it. And maybe you'll disagree with me. I feel like when you, you know, in the United States, it's 21. And parts of Canada, it's 18. In different parts, it's 19. eventually you get over from your parents' wings. You want to go do things. You want to do things to your body.

You want to go experience, you know, illicit drugs. You know, it's like, well, I don't know. Eventually, we're all young adults. Eventually, we have this period where we're going to go try things. It's like, yeah, that's, you know, okay. But as a society, we're supposed to protect children. I mean, we're supposed to guide them. They're going to be the ones that help steer the ship after we're all gone, you know?

and that is not where we're heading. Where we're heading is, I don't even know where that is. Like, it's, I got three kids, three young ones. I'm watching it and I'm going, this is, you know, this is pure insanity. And, you know, we try and justify it as like, oh, no, but, you know, we know it was so much better than we did before

and all these different studies or whatever else. And you're like, yeah, I just disagree. I just disagree. And by disagreeing, I'm labeled probably a thousand different things, which I no longer care about. It's like, whatever, whatever you want. It doesn't matter. By not getting an injection, I was labeled about 50 million different things as well, you know? And how did that turn out? You know, I think me and you have our thoughts on that. And I think a lot of the audience has their thoughts on that. So don't worry about being crazy. Because, I mean, on this show, I guess what I'm trying to point out is we talk supposedly crazy all to tell. time. That's, you know, Sean Numa podcast, where the crazies go, you know? It's kind of like, okay, whatever, you know, move on with life. You know, this thing, um, when you talk about, I think it is it Bill C4? I want to say it's Bill C4. The, the, somewhere in, it's one of those bills. When you, when you have a kid, let's see you have a cut come in, and I've heard you talk about it that it's, it's very rare. But, you know, the statistics show that it's becoming more and more,

commonplace, if you would, about children want to come in and possibly have gender affirming care or essentially think they're something of the other sex. Are doctors not, and I know you're not a practicing physician anymore, but you're not allowed if you were still a practicing physician. Can you explain this to me that you're not allowed to be like, hey, kind of like the ivermectin thing, you're not going to prescribe ivermectin. you're saying you're not allowed to be like, hey, maybe here are some different options. Maybe you should look at this.

Could you maybe explain that to me? Yeah. That's why I'm a right. Yeah. So, yeah, so what's different about that is this bill was actually a federal bill in Canada that made it actually a crime. It's not a, you're in the line with a focus. Sorry, you... I think this thing

is a long... Here we go. Okay. Yeah, so, yeah, that bill was passed, yeah, was known unanimously by conservatives and liberals. And it's the anti-conversion therapy bill. And yeah, so to even... So any child, and to suggest to any child who identifies, or anybody identifies,

then there's trans, non-binary, or whatever. gender diverse in any way or gay or whatever that they may not be that and here are some options for therapy that can resolve that anything that's not a gender affirming care where which is ironically it's it doesn't affirm their gender in all it tells them to be the opposite gender from the way they're born or the way the body they have is yeah it's a crime under federal law like among other things such as promoting conversion therapy or whatnot um and so yeah it's uh so that yeah any doctor could get in trouble for suggesting how any options uh to a parent that don't follow that law but what i i mean it's it's really a

tragedy in that sense because really if you go to any kind of registered therapist, um, teacher, anybody, any, it's not just professionals, right? A parent can get in trouble,

uh, with the law and be charged with the crime, right? They try to get their kid to go to one of these therapies. And therapy that I went to, um, like it was actually, uh,

I look on it primarily as a positive experience. It, it led me to work through a lot of trauma, a lot of feelings that I had with my parents, with my older brother, a lot of trauma and things that I held on to that really made me dislike them and not feel comfortable as a man in my body. And so as I worked through a lot of that pain, it was like I said, it was more about feeling the feelings, looking at the beliefs as they came up. and processing that pain.

Actually, in a very similar way to the way I do it now, which is by going to the body and feeling the pain while you're looking at the scenario, while you're looking at the person in your mind, and just allowing those feelings to come up and just move through. That was probably the most powerful part of the therapy that I had. But it was just, it was focused primarily on my gender-related issues or gender-related trauma. And as I did that, I noticed a shift for sure.

I noticed that I became more comfortable in my body. I actually started to be proud to be a man or be a boy, you know. And that shift improved. I did notice because a lot of it was, I went in it mostly for homosexuality, right? not so much because I was gender because I had gender identity disorder. I would say I did have that anyway. I didn't identify as a girl,

but I didn't identify as a boy and didn't feel like I was one of them, didn't fit in, but also like, felt like, and I wanted to be, I guess, in some sense, in the sense that I felt like my life would be easier if I were, but not in the sense that I, that I took on or started dressing like a girl, whatever. Yeah.

I'm just curious, Patrick, then. When you look at the problem, or not that I don't know the, I don't even know the, I'm so like this subject, as you can tell, you know, I don't even know the right words to use. So when you look at it, what do you think the right, like, is there any right thing to do? Like, you know, or because it's, Like policy wise or with an individual child or whatever that you see?

Huh. I guess I just, I go, you know, like, should we be putting any policies in place? Like, or, you know, like, I don't know. I look at this and I go, they're trying to find a way to create it so that nobody, everybody has, well, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong on this. I look at it and I go like, they want to make sure nobody feels pain that they get to whoever they want to be and will make the entire institution system work to whichever way they want to go. So if they want to be a boy or a girl, that's great. We're going to encourage it. We're

going to tell society that's okay and everything else. And I sit there and I go like that seems completely wild to me and makes zero sense. But I also come out of from, I guess, a thought process of I never worried about it. Like I just never, I never, I never, I never worked. worried about it. I just, and so to me, the entire thing seems foreign. But what you just said to me is at one point in time in your life, you did worry about it. So when you look back at it, are you going like, this is what would have really helped. This is what they should be doing. Or I don't, I don't know. Maybe you have no thoughts on it. Yeah. I mean, like I said, that therapy that I went to was really helpful for me. But, but I think it's really important for people to consider and really look at that. experience of gender dysphoria is very painful. It's basically believing that, like hating your body, not liking it, feeling like it's not you, feeling like you're unhappy in this body and that you need another body to be happy.

And that is not a pleasant experience, right? But if you look at other disorders, right, where that same experience is there but in a slightly different way, let's look at anorexia. You look at your body and you see yourself as fat and your body's unacceptable, you hate your body, but if you can just get thinner, if you can just lose some fat, you'll finally be happy with your body. I think we all acknowledge that that's a form of insanity. It's a mental disorder. You'll never be happy.

I'm sorry, but you can try. But most people with anorexia, some of them might be somewhat satisfied if they lose a bit of weight, but it just keeps going and sometimes they kill themselves, right? and like from not eat it. And so how do we treat that? Like how does a common, like, you treat that by helping people to accept their body as it is. And that's even for people with obesity or whatever,

the number one thing to start with is you need to accept your body exactly where it is and then you can kind of change. But actually when you get caught in this shame loop of like wishing you had something different than what you have now, you're not really in a place to create change. So I think number one is just self-acceptance. That should be the height of any human being, right? And it's not really right, and it's something we're all have to do for ourselves.

But I think especially for children, we should encourage that. But here's the other thing that's so unfairious about gender ideology, is that how does a child know, let's imagine a boy, a boy who thinks he has gender dysphoria, thinks he should be a girl or whatever, how does that boy know he's not a boy, right? How does he know what a boy feels like versus what a girl feels like? They don't know. You don't know what it's like to actually be a girl, right?

It's just kind of, it's based a lot on stereotypes. But, and especially before puberty, right? Kids don't really have much of a concept of gender in those other senses, right? There's a lot of kids in the sense that when they start to go through puberty and they get the a testosterone, they become attractive to the opposite sex, and then they notice their body changes. They're much more likely to move into their body and accept it, right? So actually, and they looked at studies and they saw most kids with gender dysphoria. If you just leave them alone, the vast majority resolve. And actually, most of those kids end up being gay.

Most kids, and I think that being gay is really kind of under attack right now, because it's actually the gay kids. I would say most gay kids have that experience. They have an experience of feeling like they didn't fit in with the boys, feeling like they're different or they're, they're not one of the boys. They often spend certain periods of their development with girls and then maybe kind of become gay around puberty. You don't really know you're gay until you're that time. Some will look back and you can kind of see, okay, maybe I was J-4, but But most gay kids have some form of gender dysphoria as a child. And so what we're doing right now is almost like a gender that's tired of the gays,

in the sense that gay peak kids are getting sterilized. Because a natural progression of gender dysphoria in a child is to become gay. So those kids that would normally just become gay adults are getting shuffled into this ideology, but you will be happy when you will be happy when you socially transition okay they socially transition then they're not happy anymore oh okay well well then you'll be happy when you get put on your uh cross-sex hormones that will make you happy when your voice changes and you get facial hair that will that will be your key to happiness um and and okay they hang on they keep going to that and then oh well then they're not happy again uh wait even though they did that well they better get surgery

that will be their key to happiness. It's like we see this time and again, actually, in the plastic surgery practice, right? You don't have to be transgendered, but what happens, you get a little tweak, you know, you plump up your lips, and you think that's going to make you happy, and it does, it makes you a little giddy for a while,

makes you feel like you kind of got it, but you're chasing that high, right, of getting that other lip injection. Oh, look how plump they are now. I think you see these people, right? Like that, it's kind of unfortunate with these giant lips. I'm thinking that they can find their happiness through plastic surgery. And you can't.

No surgery can give you happiness. No hormones can give you happiness. They can't. If that's what you're really doing, I think the majority of these kids are, they're miserable kids who've been traumatized. Most of them come from homes, or there's not necessarily a lot of love. And they're seeking for happiness and some of them. happiness and self-acceptance and they're being sold a bill of goods that if you do these hormones, if you get this surgery, if you do all these steps, then you will be happy and it's a lie.

And does it mean that some kids can't do that? There's nothing wrong with doing that, but that's not the key to happiness. You can't find it there. You can try, but you never will. And I think that's why kids need to be protected from that. Adults can make those choices for themselves, but kids, they'll believe you. They believe, they believe in Santa Claus. They believe in the tooth fairy, of course they're going to believe that their happiness will come when they switch genders, right? So that's why we protect kids from irreversible decisions, ones that can't change. You can go through your goth phase, you can pierce whatever you will. Like, even that, actually parents little permission for, but the idea of protecting kids is to let kids make

mistakes, but you try to protect them from the decisions that cause irreversible harm and you can't go back from, right? So that's why I think it's just insane to encourage or even allow. I don't think it should be legal for kids to do any of these hormones or any of the surgeries, including puberty blockers. Puberty blockers is a lie. There's sold a lie about that, that this just puts a pause on your puberty and your puberty will come later. that is not true. It irreversibly changes your trajectory. You're going to be shorter. Your bone density is going to lower. You have osteoporosis by the time you're 25. And you could break your hip and all of that. Like it's, it's, and a lot of these kids who block their testosterone

throughout their life will never have an orgasm. They'll never have sexual function. They'll never have children. So even if they detransition and want to go back, most will be sterilized. So so that's why I think it's important to protect kids. You might sit the best line of the entire podcast. Let's just leave the kids alone. Yeah. Honestly, that's yeah. Well, Patrick, I appreciate you giving me some of your time and and you know, and you know, steering into some subjects that are, you know, I'm difficult maybe to talk about. But here's your final question. Crew Master final question is,

what's next for Patrick? And if there was a way, how could we help? Yeah. I'm kind of putting a lot of thought in that for myself more recently. I'm kind of doing some homesteading. I'm picking up all jobs and things like that. I'm actually kind of enjoying that. but I am going to be launching a counseling service for people who are interested

who kind of want some guidance about kind of finding some of these spiritual truths that I've found and I just kind of want to be able to share that with people. I'm not going to be acting as a doctor doing psychotherapy, but I'm going to be doing like more on the spiritual level but on emotional level as well about finding peace. And so that's kind of what's kind of up and coming for me. It'll probably be launched the next week or two.

Where can people find you? The website's not launched yet, but I'll probably launch it in the next few days is Patrick Phillipscounseling.com. Right on. Well, I appreciate you once again sitting and doing this and the best of luck with your counseling

and, well, I mean, good old Twitter sphere, soon to be the X sphere, maybe? I don't know. Anyways, I'm sure we'll be bumping into each other there Just appreciate you giving me some time today. Yeah, thank you for having you on.

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