Shaun Newman Podcast - #477 - Chris Barber

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

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Here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean. podcast I'm joined by Chris Barber. Thanks for hopping on sir. Thanks for having me Sean. It's good to see you. The only time we've had like this wonderful conversation where I'm like this is worthy of podcasting has been when you came to the studio and we sat here and gab for about three hours, left your wife probably wondering what the heck was going on every other time it's like me and you were just kind of passing you know cars on the street or something you know the first time you're sitting in your semi in the pulled over on the

side of the highway and I'm going like okay you know that broke the that broke YouTube but at least, but I mean, like, the rest of this is just like me and you try to piece this sucker together. Yeah, are they watching us or what the heck's going on here? Well, we both know they're watching you and by, I guess, you know, by me being associated with you, Chris, I guess they're watching me too. And we just say hi. No, they love me so much. They've invited me back out to Ottawa for basically two months.

I had to rent an apartment for crying out loud, but I rented one outside the city limits because I am red flagged in the city of Ottawa, and I cannot get anywhere around for security reasons, apparently. So that's during your trial? Yes. Yeah, I've been weighing the pros and cons. What do I do? I've been offered a lot of places to stay, but, you know, it's literally almost two months in court. And as much as I love and appreciate the offers for somewhere to stay, after spending a grueling day in court,

with the court ripping you to shreds, I've decided to go for a nice, peaceful place where I can go kind of quietly retire for the evening to scream into a pillow, probably. Well, you know, being in someone's space, even if it's on the happiest occasions for a few days is one thing. A week, okay. Two weeks, you're asking a bit much. Two months? Nah. There's just, like, you know, at the end of that, nobody's going to be happy. Nobody's going to be happy with you being there.

Nobody's going to be happy being there. Like that's a long time. You know, that's the reason for having you on as quick as we could is obviously with the trial coming up and your fundraiser coming up this weekend. You know, you had to, it seems like every time there's a great funderger's going on, I got things going on. I got a really good friend's wedding. I haven't been to a wedding all summer long and it lands on the same day. But let's talk about the fundraiser because I want to hear what the heck's going on. Well, I've met some really awesome people in this world in the last couple years.

And one of them is Joseph Burgow, Canadians for Truth, is we've done quite a bit of stuff with them too. So Jamie Saleh and Theo Flurry, Canadian Olympic gold medalists, are going to come to Swiftcern on August 12th. They're actually going to go to Wymark. It's a little community skating rink or hockey rink just south of Swiftcern probably about 10 miles. We've got camping there. We've got live auction. We're going to have a sit-down with Jamie and Theo and myself on. stage to do a Q&A.

There's going to be a barbecue there, and there's going to be a band and somewhat of a party out there. So campers are welcome. Event Bright is where the tickets are. I'll send the link to you. I already got the link, and we'll put it in the show notes for everybody. That way they can, if they're, you know, if they're so inclined to make a trip to see Big Red and the team, they can.

It's nice and easy. And Zippy, can you hear Zippy upstairs barking right now like a madman? I don't know why. Somebody probably drove by, but I'm going to fire up Big Red. She's been sitting in the shed in the shop for the last couple weeks here. I'm going to fire it up and get it down on Saturday so everybody could take a peek at the old truck. And I'm hoping I've got a lot of friends coming some people as far as Ontario. So I can't wait to see everybody.

There's going to be a few other people bringing some big trucks. And we're just going to hang out and have some fun and just talk. Because in two weeks from that day, I will be embarking on my travel. across Canada. Again, I'm going to drive out to Ottawa, and I will then take a presidency out there with Ms. Tamara Litch, not with her, of course. We have conditions. We're not allowed to speak to each other without legal counsel. So we get to sit down and finally get our day in court now for these charges pending us. So what, okay, so first, first of foremost, it sounds like a fun weekend, right? I mean, like, I can think of worse things to be doing on a Saturday than

then hanging out with Big Red and just camping. You know, it just seems like a nice easy way to relax on a weekend. And I think I've read somewhere. I've got to find it again. Some fun games of goat pooping. What the heck is goat pooping? I have to ask Melissa about that. My good friend Melissa Martins has been in charge of setting all this up.

She's an amazing human being. And I'd yet to figure out what goat pooping is. but I'm sure in southern Saskatchewan, it'll be fun. You know what's going to happen. I'm going to get a bunch of text, Chris, telling me exactly what goat, some fun games of goat pooping guessing pens. I'm like, I don't know what that is. You got my curiosity up.

I've been lived in Saskatchew in my whole life, and I've never heard of this, but I'm sure on Saturday we will find out. So I can't wait. It's funny. I get to see Tamara next week in Colonna, and certainly she's had her own fundraiser going on to try and raise funds for this. I interviewed Pat King about a week and a half ago,

because he's got his own fundraiser trying to do, and I'm like, man, it's trying to get the circuit here going so that everybody knows that, you know, don't forget that everybody's going to court. It's going to cost a crap ton of money, and if you can help support, please do. It is. We've got some assistance from good, good corporation, good people like the JCCF, the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom as well as the Democracy Fund.

But, I mean, those funds only go so far. So, Pat's got his day coming up. And Tamara and myself, it's, you know, remember that a lot of the legal charges for this stuff is somewhere, I think, between Tamara and myself for legal challenges, will be upwards of $300,000 for legal costs for just defense. So that's insane. I can't imagine what it's costing the Canadian taxpayers for us to be run through the trial system for mischief and intimidation of a peace officer and going against the court order and then everything else has a counseling charge against it too. Are you, I don't know, are you nervous at all of the two months and what's going to come through there? Like, I think majority of Canadians go, you got nothing to worry about.

But, you know, I just, I literally just had late in gray. And probably what I'll do is I'll tack both these episodes together. Maybe I'll separate it. I don't know what I'm going to do. Both you have events coming up on the weekend. I'm like, geez, I didn't really think this through. Although I was hoping we'd do it yesterday. Anyways, it doesn't matter.

Life goes on. Regardless, no, no, it's all good. I, yeah, I don't know. Like, you know, with the legal system, it's just, I think we're all learning. There's some funny stuff going on there, right? and what should make sense, you know, doesn't seem to, you know, make a sense to a whole lot of us. No, you got Arthur Poloski who was found guilty and was an awaiting sentencing.

You've got James Sauri who was, you know, found guilty for running over a pylon with a truck outside of Coots. And now he's awaiting sentencing. And in just the stories I've heard from different people, you know, it is what it is. as far as I'm concerned, we've got a ton of Canadian support behind us. Actually, a lot over the entire world that people are praying for us. And that knowing that we're going into that with that much support behind us right now is really the thing that sets me at ease. The thing that I'm preparing for now, of course, is I've had to go and get hay. I've filled the loft of my barn with square bales for the horses.

I've gotten, you know, around bails put up so that I know that I've got at least two years of hay on hand for the animals in the yard. My father is here. He lives a half a mile away, so he's going to be looking after the yard while I'm gone. We're not sure yet if my wife will be able to join us on the trip east yet. I hope so. But she's got a job too. She works in the education system. So can she get away for that amount of time? We don't know that. My kids, Jonathan, my daughter and my son will be essentially running the truck and company while I'm gone. Jonathan just got a little bit of a crash course and being in 100% control while I was gone in BC for camping. for a couple weeks and he did amazing.

I just have to get him on the paperwork in the office here. Then I've got her made. He's like the rest of us. None of us want to do that paperwork. The podcaster doesn't want to do the paperwork. It's like, can I just hire somebody to do that? The paperwork sucks.

I've been struggling with this one for two days now, trying to get through the bills. And yeah, there's a lot too when you run a small business in this country. You know, your accounts payable, your government, everything you've got to do in a month. It's, you know, in two months I'll be, I'll be gone for that. So I'm hoping I can catch up with a lot of stuff with the laptop and I'll take a printer with me.

Just I'll have time on my hands, you know, being three, four day, you know, trial in the week and then having a few days off. So we'll see how that goes. But I know it'll be busy. What do you, I don't know, you've probably given this a lot of thought, right? Like, what do you face if convicted? Do you know, Chris? Like what, what is? The crown seeking two to ten years.

federal prison for Tamara and myself. Two to ten years. So even if we're convicted of that and even if the case, you know, we receive a criminal record, the whole reason why I personally drove to Ottawa to protest the

border crossing mandates for Canadians crossing that border, you know, if I'm found guilty and I have a criminal record, I won't be able to cross the border anymore. So how ironic is that? I assume this is that. you know, it's been well over a year since Ottawa.

And this is probably, you know, at one point, you're probably like, man, am I ever going to get to trial? But now you're probably like, holy crap, that year went by awfully quick. And now here it is. But I'm excited. Like, I'm excited to go sit in the courtroom. I'm excited to expose more corruption. I'm excited to, you know, to watch just how far the government will go to silence anyone that dares to speak up against them. You know, that.

So I'm excited for that. I'm not excited to leave home. I'm a prairie boy. I'm a country boy. It's kind of like it's time to finish the job we started, I guess, and we'll see where this one lands us. Well, what, you know, what is it that people out here can do for you?

You know, because, like, that, sir, you know, I think the audience knows if you go back through our interviews. I got a lot of time for Chris Barber. You know, it was a pretty chance meeting, and then, you know, certainly a little bit of a friendship's growing out of that and got a lot of time for you. Anyways, I go like, I can't imagine.

I just, and I met Tamara now, and, you know, I've met all these people, and I'm like, I just can't imagine. Even Pat, you know, I'm like, can you, like, I get it. He's outspoken and everything. But like, for all of us who, uh, were sitting there looking down the barrel of a gun at a time where they kept saying, all the mandates will come off in a month. And then, you know, six months ago by and it'd get worse and on and on and on. All these people went to Ottawa and they're all now.

having more than the book thrown at them. What can we do then on this side? You know, certainly showing up this weekend, if you can, would probably be a great start. But as this thing goes on, for the two months you're there, have you getting any thought to what people around Canada can do while you're, you know, facing judgment, essentially? Well, the legal battle, right?

We're not quite there financially on some of the stuff. The lawyers need a lot of help. The JCCF needs people to donate to keep those places going. The Democracy Fund. There's so many Canadian not-for-profits out there that are helping people. Pat is facing his own trouble right now. Pat King, he spent the most amount of time in jail. And of course, we've got conditions.

I'm not allowed to have anything to do with Pat. And we have different lawyers. So I can't even communicate with him, even if, you know, I could. Tamara and I are fortunate enough. Our trial is together. have the same lawyers in respect we both have criminal different criminal lawyers but we're still able to communicate through legal counsel you know and so it's made it really difficult to just people that you you I haven't had a chance to talk to in a couple years because of this stuff

and for what reason I'm not going to start another convoy that was uh yeah we've got other problems to worry about right now well I mean the convoy was started because of the government like I mean the only time another convoy is coming maybe I'm wrong on this, maybe the listeners will disagree with me, is when the government wants to go full-on tyrannical all over again, and then you probably will see something. But, I mean, now the rules are putting in place and everything else is going to make it even more difficult to have anything even remotely close to what happened, you know, last year.

Yeah. You know what, excuse me, I remind everybody, too, the interprovincial check stops were coming next in Canada for COVID. And then Marco Mendocino was planning on putting that in there, and they were talking about it and when those trucks started rolling that conversation went away well i took a little bit of lots people enjoyed the interview with pat some did not and that's fine i to me it's it's um to me it's like you can disagree with a lot of what somebody says but their actions speak very highly and i mean there's a group of you that all went out east and um now have been you know

drug through the mud, some worse than others, you know? And but at the end of the day, it's like, well, do any of them need to go to jail for two to ten years for standing up for a whole lot of Canadians? The answer is no. So I guess I'm sitting here and I'm going, what on earth is the SMP? What is Sean Newman going to try and do here? Because I want to help out as much as I, I mean, obviously bringing you on and talking is certainly a small step. But I wonder if there isn't more that we can do, Chris, and I guess I just come back all the way full circle of the question.

For two months, is there anything you're hoping that media can do while you're there? I think just makes you making sure that people are aware of what's going on right now. I speak to people all over the place on a regular basis and say, really, you guys are, that's still going on, you guys are still facing trial. There's still people out there that don't know that. And there's still people out there that follow that government narrative that the convoy was a bad thing or it was a group of bad people when it wasn't. Everybody had a role in it and everybody did it for the purest of concerns. You know, I've got a curios set over here right beside my desk here full of letters from Canadians all across the country. And some of those are pretty depressing letters stating how, you know, they were going to take their own lives prior to the convoy, those trucks firing up.

And then we gave people hope and we gave people a voice. Or we had, you know, there was that guiding light of the darkness was kind of gone. And people could kind of come through it again. And I'll stand behind that 100%. We saved people's lives. And people just need to remember. Yeah, I think a lot of people, I could be wrong on this. But certainly at that point in time, we were all starting to go a little bit crazy.

Like, how much further is this going to go? Like, this is getting insane. You only have to go back through the headlines of, you know, this, that, and the other thing when it came to the unvaccinated for sure. But just in COVID life, I mean, like we were getting to the point where you needed a rubber stamp to get into everywhere, you know, to go watch your kids play to, you know, leave the country to, you know, like you say, intergovernmental, you know. I chuckle in a very dark way because they were talking about having quarantine.

centers in Saskatchewan, right? They openly talked about it. They had the snitch line. They had a special police force going on, handing out fines. Like, it was that. I mean, to walk back through it. And so when, when you talk about saving lines and everything else like that, I was saying to, I'm saying the late in gray actually yesterday that Ottawa was something, but the road to Ottawa was where it was really at because that rate there was you saw the level of hope and desperation all in the same breath of people just like had come out of the woodworks you know and uh um well i give cbc such a rough time i give all mainstream media with such a rough time on this because they could have been riding shotgun like some of us did in one of the semis and like seen it firsthand like once

you like i mean it's just the most amazing thing ever chris uh you know and and and, you know, I don't know, maybe while you're gone, you know, I'll get around to that interview that never happened in Ottawa with your son because I was supposed to sit down with him and have a chat at the hotel, and then that never happened. And maybe we'll have to do that for folks.

That way they can keep you some thoughts. I mean, I guess, you know, I'll have to ask him if he's interested in that. Well, he still lives at home, and his bedroom is right back there. So he'll be busy trucking and working, but I will definitely, the office is right here, and the computer is sitting right here, and he can have this same conversation. He's got, this is the guy.

He said, he bought a mic years ago because he wanted to be a YouTube star, and I said, Jonathan, I need some sort of a mic when I'm doing interviews. And he said, well, I got this, so he set this up for me. It's kind of a makeshift office, but it works. But anytime you want, Sean, that would be a really good one. You know, he rode in the passenger seat of the truck with Tamara and myself. and the little dog Zippy all the way to Ottawa, and he has a pretty cool story to tell.

You know, this is, he was 18 at the time. And he led the world's longest convoy more than once. He actually drove as we were coming into Ottawa there. I think I jumped, I switched seat with him. So, you know, he's a pretty smart kid, and he's a very talented kid. I'm very proud of him. Yeah, that's a special moment for not only father, but son, I bet.

I joke about this. You know, dad was a long-haul, trucker. That's what that's what he did for my childhood. So we used to jump in there and go with them, you know, one of our, probably mine and my next old brother Harley's favorite memories is driving Toronto. And he drove all night so we could get to the Blue Jays home opener and then slept the entire way through it because he'd driven as hard as he could go to get there, right? But, you know, I put trucking in Canada, like right alongside hockey. It's just part of the culture. Like everybody's got somebody who's a family member who's who's, who's, who's, who's,

driven the big rigs and love it. And I've interviewed a ton of them. And there's a lot of fond memories. And dad said it a long time ago. And I found it, you know, almost prophetic. And I may have said this to you before, but he said, you know, you ever want to shut down a country? Piss off the truckers.

Now, this was well before COVID, you know? And I was kind of back then I was young. I was like, okay, dad, sure, yeah, whatever. Man, if that wasn't, if that wasn't prophetic, you know, and once again, though, truckers see how this country is like the lifeblood of it, like how it works, you know, because they're on the road every single day seeing how goods and services get, you know, because we don't have these lovely things called pipelines going across the country because

heaven forbid that, right? So they understand how things move and have a very unique creed and insight into how this thing works. Yep, 100%. you know, the only regret would be having more people stand up because I know that, you know, we obviously, you wonder what it would take, you know, like that whole, or is it Saudi Arabia years ago they introduced the salt tax. Somebody told me about this. One of the, one of the, one of the, one of the things we were at not so long ago. And the salt tax is what made Saudi Arabia stand up and say, government went too far. And everyone did it to the point where the government actually

had to change the way they were going. Now, I thought that was going to happen with, with the carbon tax in Canada and it doesn't seem like that was even enough. So what is it going to take for Canadians to stand up and say, holy crap, this has gone too far enough? I wonder what, when you say salt tax, I think of India. Wasn't it India? India had Gandhi with, but I actually don't know if Saudi Arabia could have easily done the same thing.

I want to say Saudi Arabia, but it could be wrong. I don't know mine. I know there was a salt tax. I know somewhere, and you desperately need salt in order to live over in some of those Middle East countries, and they taxed it, and they went too far, and the people spoke up. Well, so it was, so this is the story I know. Saudi Arabia could very well be it, but this is the story I know. It was on March 12, 1930 that Mahatma, Mahatma, why can I say his first name?

Gandhi. Anyways, pure God, it is not going to work today, folks. On the unlikely odyssey, by that point Gandhi, a London train lawyer, had risen to become a passionate campaigner for India's independence from the British Empire. Gandhi's idea was to lead a march about salt at the time the British Empire had a stranglehold on its salt in India. The essential mineral was heavily taxed by the colonial power, and Indians could even be jailed for daring to make salt themselves. And so then, you know, he ends up a whole bunch of things around salt. And it's, you know, I'm supposed to be having one of the guys from back in the day with the, the grain farmers come on from, uh, uh, uh, went to jail one of the 13, I think it's 13,

if I'm right, come on and talk about that story. Because I think, you know, for my general, like for me personally, I've never heard it. I've, like I hear the stories of it, but I've never heard it. And they were the last ones. You know, when I was driving out catching you guys, uh, one of my uncles called and was, uh, you know, everybody was emotional back then. I don't think I have to preface that, but he was emotional. And he was like, you know, you go give him hell because back in my day, when Trudeau came, the other Trudeau came through, the farmers backed up, I think it was the manure truck to his, man, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't manure. I think they did that on his front lawn out in Ottawa. I think it was the grain truck,

backed it up to the hotel and filled the front lobby full of grain. And that was the grain farmers back in the 80s. Do you think about government overreach and what's been going on in this country for so many years? I remember those days too. The wheatboard, the Canadian wheatboard used to dictate to Canadian farmers what they could sell and when they could sell it and how much they could grow and how much money they were going to make on it.

And I know one of my neighbors, my big farmer neighbor here, he was very active in that movement and thought it was his right to sell his grain across the border if he could get more money for it. And how dare the Canadian government tell me what? But, you know, and then the government instilled that level of fear in everyone. Like, oh, the wheatboard does so many good things. And it was just, if it fell, Canada was going to just perish. Well, I got one of the guys coming on, Chris, who went across the border and sold a bag of wheat and got arrested for it.

Okay, and they went to jail, right? I went to jail for it. So I'll be very interested to hear the story because it's almost like it's come full circle, you know, in a different way. We think, don't get me wrong, this way is unique because of how everything went down. But, you know, the further you look back in history, you realize, man, like, it's so cyclical. Like, we just go through these governments that just, it's just wild. And once again, I'll preface it by saying, like, we're not out of anything yet. I mean, you're going to trial where you could face two to ten years for leading the most peaceful protest, you know,

I've ever experienced when it comes to people just like, you know, you ever watch the 7 protests and all that sort of stuff in Toronto and wherever they may have been held? And protesters breaking windows and throwing Molotel cocktails down the street and burning police cars. My wife is from Minneapolis where the BLM riots happened. Now, they may say it's justified because of what happened to George Floyd. But I mean, after that, nothing is just like they were looting every store. They were destroying the city. They had Marshall law come in.

They'd like, you know, yeah, like this. One of my earlier statements, too, it's like Justin Trudeau, BLM comes to town and he takes a knee and stands with them. And rightfully so. If you got, you know, somebody like George White died under the sixth circumstances he did, politicians need to stand up and stand with some of these people. But there wasn't any of that looting done in Ottawa at all. It was the most peaceful movement. we could possibly ever had, and Trudeau wouldn't even come to the table to have a conversation

with us. He ran. And he got COVID again. Again. I thought when you're boosted and you've got multi-vaccines that you don't get COVID anymore, but. I don't know. I think that's my chuckle about it because, I mean, like, just, you know, remembering some of the ridiculousness is, is, honestly, it feels like ridiculousness, you know? Like, it's like, we came out of bizarre.

I mean, we're still a little bit in bizarre land. Don't get me wrong, but man, we came out of Bizarro Land. The grocery store arrows are probably my favorite. Driving in a car with a mask on is a second favorite. I still seen it. I just saw it. I literally just saw it. Somebody driving in their car with a mask on.

I actually seen somebody standing on the street corner with two bags of groceries with rubber gloves on. And he was crossing the street when we were in British Columbia. And he had a mask on outside. And everything that you touched in that bag will eventually wind up being, you know, consumed by you. What are you going to do? Go home and sanitize the whole works. And then what happens to your immune system when you don't, you know? Here's the, here's the shocking stats that I was just telling, okay, I got to bring it up now. Because, you know, we, we talk about all the harms done in COVID, right? And you go, you know, like, of course there's, there's the

toll of people with vaccine injuries that don't get talked about, right? They're just, but then there's the business owners that lost their businesses, et cetera, et cetera. And I brought this stat up and I'm just going to pull it up here. I'd like to know the true numbers on the amount of people that lost to businesses across this country because of COVID because of government shutdown. There's a lot and we don't talk about that. Okay. So, well, this is going to give me something different now, folks.

Well, that's maybe I butchered this. Maybe that's why. It's saying, by the count, well, this is interesting now. There was 42,900 divorces in Kemp. Canada in 2020. And then what my number that had shown up was 2.78 million people were divorced in 2022. But what I'm seeing now as this new statistic comes out is that's the level of people divorced. So it must be cumulative that's going on. That's what's going on. I was talking late and grandma, I'm like, this isn't, this is an insane number. I'm like, how is it that that level

of people are divorced? But it's saying the number since 2000 went from 1.8 million. people divorced in all of Canada and has grown to 2.78 million. That's... We can add our prime ministers of the list. Well, and the prime minister's added rate to it, yeah. Have you seen the Barbie movie? I have not, and I will assure you that I probably... My children are growing up, and I have no reason to watch the Barbie movie, but...

I did watch Transform, you know, and that's my kind of a flick, but... There's the new... Leighton was on talking about the essential church, the new documentary coming out that's been, he was talking about how it's not allowed to be shown in Canada, and I found that rather hard to believe. And so we've kind of thrown out some probes here in Lloyd Minster to see if we can get it brought. Because I mean like it's talking about two of the pastors here in Alberta that were jailed and had their churches locked up and everything else.

And it's been showing all over the United States. And so I find the preview for it, like the trailer, very intriguing, because those are two guys I've never talked to. I've never had the pastors. I've never had a pastor come on that stood up in the middle of the lockdown. So that's probably a little bit of a bad form by Sean. But there are another set of group of people that, you know, I think a lot of faith believers, a lot of Christians would have hoped more out of their leaders.

But now you're seeing the million person march. Have you seen that, Chris, with the Muslims inviting everybody to march with them? What day is that? That's in September sometime, I believe. Have you seen anything about that? I've heard rumors. I can't take part in any ongoing protests or promote any. But look at that.

When you have somebody like the Muslim community that stands up with the Christian community to go against the government. narrative or the teaching narrative for saving our children from indoctrination for all this sex. Children should be able to play with Barbies and Toncas and all the rest of the stuff at their age instead of go to school and learn about biology at grade, you know, five or six. That's stuff that kids should be learning about when they're in their early teens, when puberty hits. So thank God I do not have children in school anymore. This would drive me absolutely nuts, but I am very encouraged that all these group of different people

are standing up against this stuff and joining arms because that's exactly what. we need. I should be very clear. Chris isn't supporting any protest. Sean Sir is. I'm certainly promoting that September 20th, there's a million's person march. And I've been chuckling about this because I really think God has a sense of humor. You have the Muslims, you have the Christians, they have hated each other. And I'm being a little tongue in cheek, but I mean, look at the history, folks. We went to war over and over again. It's called the Crusades. There's a whole bunch of things there. And now they're going to march side by side as brothers in arms, brothers and sisters in arms because of what the government and others are doing to the kids.

I'm like, well, I don't know if you could have wrote that any better. Like that's pretty, honestly, one of the things about, one of the things about Ottawa or the trucker convoy in general is it gets labeled this white ring, white, white, right wing, can't even get it right, right wing white supremacy movement. And yet what you saw in Ottawa was like all. backgrounds, all faiths, all people. And sure, you know, then they're like, well, yeah, but it was majority white. It's like, we live in a country that's, that's majority white, one, but two, if you just looked around, that's not true. Like, there was so many faith back, so many different

diversity of people. I've never seen that before. Well, I mean, I think that's what Canada day is supposed to be. Well, did you see, I'll go back to that. And I wish more people would do that. The documentary unacceptable picks up a lot about that, you know, the Jamaican man that was parked right in front of the stage and he was loud and voyish. The Sikh community had teet tents set up on the side of the streets throughout the protests in Ottawa. There was a ton of culture there. We stood with indigenous leaders. We had, you know, clan mothers that were, I jumped in big red to warm up at one point.

We were down on Wellington and it was really, really cold. And Tamara had had, there I jumped on big red and there was two clan mothers sitting on the bed in in the back of red and they were using trying to warm up a little bit. Well, that was cool. And of course, I was sick. I had COVID, the Armourocrine virus. And so Sandy and Nolene were the two clan mothers that we hung out with quite a bit. And Sandy had root, was it rat root, a herb, a rat root that I was supposed to chew on.

And so 90% of the time I walked around with rat root in my pocket and my hoodie and I was chewing a little missile. That stuff will clean anything. It is the most horrible stuff to chew on, but I chewed on it, and I wasn't thick for long. You know, it's, you know, you wish Justin Trudeau would have came down and talked to everybody. Just talk to some people, just to see it. And yet you go like, at the same time, the level of tyranny in the country and everything else, the people fill in his ears or whatever. Maybe he's got no ears to fill.

there's nothing in between them, I don't know. It's pretty wild, you know, to watch that a leader, everybody kind of was like, I don't know if I want to go around this. How's the public going to view this? It's like, that's, you know, I got a lot of, I get very frustrated with politicians when they decide their actions based on what they think the public's going to do. It's like, stop doing that. Just like, you know, maybe go talk to some people.

In conversations with a couple of the really, really big big. businessmen that I deal with across this country. And they deal with a lot of political leaders on a regular base and one that's mentioned here not so long ago, did you know that a lot of the people in politics and a lot of people in our, you know, your police force and that are huge supporters of you guys. But they won't say anything because it's political suicide. Well, could you imagine if everybody decide to stand up instead of worried about their politically, you know, like we've all committed some sort of political suicide and standing up.

And I'll do it again. I don't really care. It's funny, the first time, I don't know about you, Chris, because obviously you were more outspoken than I think I would, I don't know, maybe it doesn't matter. I had a show that was interviewing all these doctors, so I chuckle. I'm like, I was kind of outspoken, but anyways. The first time I really felt like I outed myself, which is funny to say out loud because truthfully, I'd been interviewing you and all these doctors and everything else.

It's like, no, you're pretty much outed for like a year, Sean, you moron. Anyways, it doesn't matter. The first time I felt like I physically exposed it was when the Lloyd Convoy, was leaving the truckers were leaving from Lloyd to catch up to everybody in Saskatchewan and it was a cool moment because you looked around because everybody else had to come out themselves too right supposedly and you're like this is kind of cool I didn't realize they'd be here and they were probably thinking I didn't realize he'd be here and everybody was kind of like oh everybody oh okay and it was

very like a very freeing moment I would say and you know like Zuby who was on the show a while back he'd put out a tweet basically saying you know people email me all the time saying I agree with you but I just can't afford to say it publicly because I'll lose my job or lose whatever and he goes and this is our problem people need to because if they just realized if everybody just started talking what are they gonna do like they can't they can't can everybody and chances are they agree with you anyways yeah I had a conversation with my neighbor last night huge support a huge supporter I have to actually take my little mini excavator down and remove a rocket

of his driveway because this is what we had this conversation about last thing. But I said to him in our conversation, huge supporter, like I said, watched all the videos and I said, could you imagine what would what would the ramifications be if it was part of the LBGTQ plus community that had troubles crossing the border a couple years ago? And then if the protest would have happened or arose out of that and they went to the nation's capital, have a conversation with, you know, some anti-LBGTQ prime minister that didn't want to have anything to do with them. The ramifications of that would be huge.

And I think people need to understand that us going forward with trial right now, those ramifications of what happened to us will be then down the road a result of what happens going forward about anybody protesting anything or skin color or sexuality, anything. I think people need to wake up to that right now for crying out loud. Any nation or anybody in this country, if you choose to stand up, you can be put back down and they will do everything in their power to keep you. down. Yeah, it's, well, I mean, if you, if you push to the LGBTQ on anything right now, they'd be losing their shit, right? Like, I mean, collectively, they'd be losing it and they'd be loud and they be, I mean, they, they are. I mean, and for most of us, we don't want to be loud. We just want to be left alone and move on. And that is a, that is a fatal flaw. That has put us in

this predicament of, you know, like, there's a lot of things. going on in society that I would say majority of people disagree with don't want happening and think ah people just get it taken care of and the problem is is you know as as you know I keep you know as we keep saying you know I keep commenting on David Parker when he was last on you know politics isn't a spectator sport a lot of social issues are not a spectator sport you have to get involved you have to find ways to get involved in your community to help guide us through these rocky waters and that takes more than one person it certainly takes more than uh you know, although Chris and Tamara and others have been the spear through the front of the charge,

it takes a lot of us to help out and be a part of that. That's huge. Just having the support of everybody behind us and the prayers that we receive on a regular basis is that sets my mind personally at ease. I'd love to have a conversation with Tamara about this, but unfortunately I can't. I believe she'd feel the same way, though. When you guys are done, your trial, in theory, then all the stipulations should come off, yes? They should, yes.

I asked that to the lawyers not so long ago. I said, once we start trial, can I have a conversation with Tamara then? And not until after trial, after the verdict is read. Which is pretty stupid. You know, I met this lady in 2022 in the first week of January there. And two weeks later, kind of essentially picked her up, drove across the country, had this amazing worldly experience with this lady and then three weeks later I was told that I can't have

contact with her anymore so I feel kind of jipped there there's a friendship there and a bond that was created and it's been ripped out of our hands so yeah I can't wait if I sit here I go it'll just add to the story Chris because eventually you're going to get to catch up

and eventually I'm just going to invite you both to come sit in the studio and we're going to have a four hour just like round table fun you know like but there's a whole bunch of others that you can't have contact too, right? Like, who else is on that list? Obviously, Pat King's on that list.

Danny Bolford, right? I've got three people on my conditions list. Danny Volford, Pat King and Tamarilich. Danny Bolford, an amazing guy. Saul to the year, ex-R-CMP lost his job for not being vaccinated. I mean, this is one of the guys that stood on the rooftop of Parliament Hill with a sniper rifle making sure the prime minister was safe and stood with him in Ottawa. actually was two stalls down from him in the jail cell when I was in Ottawa City police.

Danny was only two stalls down. So amazing guy. And I haven't had very much contact with him, although he will be testifying for us, I believe, at our trial next month. So I will go see when I stand there. He's not facing jail time, right?

He's just called as a witness. No, it's amazing that some of us were charged with things and have to face trial. And Danny wasn't charged. You know, Bridge of Elton was. charged BJ Dichter. I mean, we all did as much talking in front of social media as the next person.

And it was really weird the way they haven't charged certain people and they have the others. Well, we'll make sure that there's a prayer said for you. I'm sure that goes without saying. And if there's anything we can do while you're out there. I don't know if you're allowed to talk to, are you allowed to talk to media while you're out there for the two months? I haven't been told anything yet. I haven't really asked that question.

We'll stay in touch because if you are, we'll certainly bring you back on to update everybody. That way, you know, people can get it right from the horse's mouth, what's going on. I'm sure there will be some things the lawyers are like, you are not talking about this. But at the same time, if there's a way that we can help that way, we gladly will, Chris. If I can plug late in gray too, Sean, I did a show a few weeks ago. I believe it will be airing on August 14th on Gray Matters. So if anybody wants and follows late and gray, I believe it's airing then.

And I've done Jamie Saleh, a couple shows of Jamie the last little while with Canadians for Truth. I'm trying to get in there. I think Beef and Frye, and then I reach out to him today apparently. Shadow Davis, I will be on tonight. So there's lots of stuff going on.

I don't know when you're air in this episode, but... Well, my plan is tomorrow or Friday, so it'll be out this week. We'll make sure it gets out before the fundraiser. And it honestly, if you want, I can put you in contact with a couple others if it'll help. Yeah, it'll be next week now. I'm fairly full up this week with the amount of workload I have going on, but we're definitely trying to hit some more people and make sure people know what's

going on and what we're up against here for the next couple months. Cool. Well, let's do the Crude Master final question. Well, and I've already got, I should have just started off with Crude Master because, you know, he owns a trucking business and I can't speak for him but obviously I'm sure he he appreciates everything you didn't stand for but the question has been you know what's next for Chris and how can we help what's next for Chris is trial um and just getting through trial hopefully without any charges that's been the you know it's been something that's been off on the burner for the last little while here and now it's finally here so Chris is going to embark in a beautiful drive across Canada my wife is

going to lose her car. Hopefully she can be with me. I'm going to take her car and drive all the way to auto again. So I've got a vehicle there. When do you leave? When is the day that D-Day for like I'm gone this day? 25th of August. I will be leaving my home here and packing a bunch of clothes. Okay. Well, my little dog's, I don't imagine I'll be able to take him. So I'm allowed. So pretty much a month of September's trial. And then there's a two-week hiatus and then another week of trial and then a two-week hiatus and another week of trial. So I will probably be home the end of September from the first phase of trial and then drive back, I guess drive back out. I don't know. I'll weigh the pros and cons of driving out versus flying. I like to be able to

have a vehicle where I go, so at least I'm mobile. Sitting around is something I'm not good at being a trucker for 30 years. Well, let's, I have a whole bunch of ideas flooding into my brain as I'm sitting here talking to you but I'm not going to rattle them all off on air I don't think because there's no point especially not knowing everything of your schedule but certainly I would love to be able to help you if I can and I'll think I'll give some thought to that because you know the group here in Lloyd owes just as much as every other Canadian to the group of you Tamara Pat you know Danny Bolford like the list goes on but the people specifically facing trial. I think it's important for people to know, you know, that they can support,

how they can support, where it's going to, et cetera. Because, you know, like, I can't imagine how on, like, I don't want our next conversation for you to be behind bars while we're doing it. I, like, to me, that just is insane for me to say out loud, Chris, to be honest. So, you know, the day you got arrested, I had that video sent to me because I was back home then. And I'd pretty much unplugged from everything. I was I was I was trying to get my life in order and um that was a that was a tough day watching you get arrested because I was like this isn't real right like this isn't real because the video I remember it. The video wasn't crystal clear and I thought like that can't be real like it can't be real and then of course you know I had contact with a whole bunch of people in

Ottawa at the time and they're like no no he he's he's in jail now and then so um let me do some You know what the toughest part of that thing was, it was, you know, we just stopped at Tim Hortons and grabbed a fresh cup of coffee, hot coffee. It was a cold Ottawa morning. And I think the toughest thing for me was walking down the street and having, you know, the officers were good. I was well, treated well. It's not a life of party in a jail cell for as long as I was in there. But looking when they were putting the handcuffs on, when they were taking the things out of my pockets, I looked across the hood of the car. and I've seen my 18-year-old son Jonathan standing there

with that same look in his eyes when he was six or seven when he was about to cry. And, man, the only thing I could do at that point was smile. And people got my arrest photo of me grinning was to smile and say, hey, it's okay, Jonathan, it's okay. Just smile, this is fine, we'll be okay. And then away, I went into a police car, and I don't know how he felt after that.

I don't even know if I've had a conversation with him, about that, but that was something that really, that was the hardest part about that moment, not the fact to be interested, but the fact of looking at my 18-year-old son, with the fear, the sadness in his eyes of watching his father put away. Well, sobering, right? I mean, if, like, I mean, never, obviously on this side, I've never had to deal with anything like that. And actually, you know, the more you talk about it, I'll make sure that we, we line something up. Because it's been long overdue.

It was supposed to happen in Ottawa. Me and you talk directly. All three of us talk directly about it. And it just never happened. But, I mean, to have your father going away to jail for, right, you'd be looking around and you'd be on the world doesn't make sense. I can't put words in his mouth. My experience of Ottawa was the world doesn't make sense. Like it no longer makes sense.

This is, this is, you know, like we're living in it up. Yeah. I think, too, going forward to, go. People have to remember that Pat King needs their help too quite badly. He's got a fundraiser coming up here shortly. I don't know because you've got dates on it, but there's a rodeo and a dance and a party on that. Bulls and bash.

Oh, here, let's pull that date up too, because that one, I believe, is in September, if memory serves me correct. I believe his trials in November. And remember people, he doesn't have some of the funding, some of the help that we have. So we've tried. He just, I don't know what to do different there to try and get things fixed.

But if people need to directly donate to him to get him through that or to his lawyer, there's always an option there. So I know Tamara has been sending a little bit. September 15, 16th, Big Horn Stampede Grounds, Caroline, Alberta. And all you got to do is go to broken, www. Broken Arrow, Bulls, and Bash.com. He talked about it on when he came on. And I'm glad you brought up because, I mean, like, I look at all three of you, and I'm like, you know, I don't think anyone should be going to jail for what occurred.

I think most Canadians would agree with that. And but there is going to be precedent sent one way or another here in a couple months. And if we don't keep our eyes on it, it could very well, like you said, the James Sauri, the Coots Boys. Artur Polowski, you know, the list is kind of growing of where, you know, if nobody's talking about it, they just kind of slide by and all of a sudden everybody's locked up in jail and, you know, a year goes by and nobody's, you know, one of the things I'd said to the Coots Boys and I got to try and get Granny McKay, Granny Margaret on to talk. Got to get her on to talk about it because, you know, I told them, I talked to one of them

while he was in prison and I was just like nobody knows anymore and that's my fault as much as anyone and it's because nobody's talking and when nobody talks nobody everybody just moves on with their life and feels like oh yeah it's done or it's whatever and it's not a big deal except big things are happening and if we don't

continue to keep the talk going on about it people forget that Chris has a trial coming up this fall or Tamara or Pat or the list goes on the four guys from Coots like the next time they have a court date for a bail potential bail hearing, Tamara and I will already be through trial.

That's ridiculous. I think one of the boys is sitting in solitary confinement locked up for 22 hours a day. In what country are we anymore? These are charges against them. Conspiracy to commit murder, I believe it is. There's been people out there that have murdered police officers and been on bail a number of weeks later. These guys are 560, 570 days sitting in a jail cell rotting.

They've lost their businesses. They've lost their homes. They've lost everything. and we continue on with life, unfortunately. Well, I guess Sean's back from holidays, folks, so let's find some of these people. Let's talk about it. Let's get to the bottom of it.

And so if you got contacts that you want to pass along, show notes, hit me up. As for Chris, I'm going to hassle him here afterwards for getting an interview with the sun because I think that'll be a lot of fun. And best of luck here coming this fall, and if there's anything we can do, you know, you got my number, and we'll help along the way. It's greatly appreciated, Sean. You were one of those friendships

that we've sparked up in the last two years that I really, I hold dear. So it's an awesome, an honor being on your show as many times as I have. Well, the honor goes both ways. You know, I tell this story lots, but you know, like, you have to remember,

like, you know, when they say this, it was a huge planned out operation, everything else. A week before you guys left, guys are like, oh, you got to interview one of these truck guys, They're doing this convoy and I'm like they're doing what. Like, okay.

And I got given a list of like four names and I picked your name by because you were Saskatchewan. That's the reason I was like, okay, there's a Saskatchewan guy on it. Okay. Called you on the phone. Maybe I texted it. I can't remember. It was so like nonchalant.

And I were doing this trucker convoy. I mean, like this was the most like within a week it went from what is this to like, holy crap. This is something. Right? And that wasn't certain. I don't know. I mean, we've talked about this every time you come on, but like, what it sparked out of Canada was, I mean, it was just the perfect moment.

It was the right idea at the right time. And as soon as everybody saw it, everybody knew it was the right idea. That's it right there. And everybody got involved and everybody moved. And people jumped on and people thought they were going to, you know, to Calgary. And pretty soon they're in Ontario. And the stories just went on and on and on and on. I didn't think I was going.

And all of a sudden, you know, one night we drive through the middle of the night, catch up to everybody in Ontario. It's like, this wasn't this well. I mean, parts of it, sure. The rest of it, no. I remember that day. I loaded a tractor in Fargo, North Dakota, the plant, brand new tractor. And I stopped in Grand Forks, North Dakota at the Simon's truck stop there. And I threw the phone on the dash, and I talked to you.

And you got booted off YouTube for a lifetime because of it, unfortunately. But you were one of the, are you now? Good. Look at it. Think about this story. They bring me back on. Say, hey, your suspension's up. And I'm like, oh, my, oh, my God.

I'm like, am I excited about this? I hate YouTube, but am I kind of excited because I'm back on YouTube? So I'm like, okay, all right. So, you know, like, do I put an interview up? Like, are they okay with everything now? Like, what has happened? Four hours, four hours after I get back on, they boot me again for a content with Peter McCullough. And I'm like, that's like a year and a half old.

I haven't even touched it. What are you talking about? So then they booted me again. And I'm like, so then I put in like, you know, this is a year old, blah, blah, blah. I put in my complaint, denied. And then, like a week later, I'm back on, but they've removed like four or five interviews now that are just gone. And I don't think yours is one of them. I think it's all doctors right now.

I think I think your interview is fine. I think. So we've been putting up little clips on YouTube. That's it because I'm like, there's no point. I was just having this conversation actually the other day. People are like, oh, you're going to start putting everything on YouTube. I'm like, why? I don't self-censor myself.

I'm going to be removed again. So we're just going to put clips up so that people can see, you know, the podcast is still there. I mean, when I interviewed Eric Payne, it was up to like 30 some thousand in the first like four days or three days. I was like, oh, crap, like people are paying attention to this. All right. Because YouTube at one point, none of that. I mean, it did take a guy named Chris Barber on the side of the road in North Dakota to really get it working, you know? Like, what a wild time, you know?

I don't know. If you would have told me at the start of the podcast, Chris, you know, you're going to get removed. Okay. For talking of like Peter McCullet? No, no. For talking to a truck driver. I would have been like, it just goes to show you the state and how ingrained.

Like it's like we don't need to go fund me. I have donated to go fund me because there's been some really good causes and people needed to help. But forever go fund me will be tainted as a woke organization that went against Canadians and actually Americans too. Gifts and go, that is a good place to go. Jacob Wells and his sister are absolutely amazing, and people that deserve to have everything that GoFund me ever could have had.

Do you have Gibbs Sango or anything like that? Or is everything running through? Well, a lot of stuff right now. And we are doing direct donations to a trust account in my lawyer's account in Ottawa. I'll send you the e-transfer email for that. People that want to go directly to the lawyers right there. That's a criminal lawyer. There's an e-transfer account set up, trust account, everything's all secure.

Nobody can accuse me of grifting on that one. Tamara obviously has their own fundraising too, and we're just working our way through this. If the funds stop, we're in trouble. Has that been one of the toughest things, Chris, everybody throwing out conspiracy, this, this, that, telling you you're making money on, like, I don't know, I'm sure you can tell a long story on it, but I assume that's got to hurt you deep inside. Well, it's something I've always been a hardworking guy. And, you know, like when I look at what the legal bills are going to be through this,

it will financially break me. I've lost, you know, because of the $400 million lawsuit that we're involved with right now, I basically don't have a credit rating. So Jonathan lost the engine in his semi here about four months, five months ago, something like that. And that's $80,000 for a motor job on Jonathan's truck. and I couldn't get a loan for it. So I had to come up with other ways to try and get a loan for it. And, you know, you run the business, you work really hard,

and pretty trucking industry. So, you know, you're not well off, as you probably know from your father growing up. You can get some money in the bank account, but as soon as the money's in the bank account, you're having a repair bill to pay for, you know, fairly shortly. So we depend on that. And yeah, and some of the biggest criticism we've had is from people, that we stood with in Ottawa there.

And that's, I think, the part of the problem that, or the 101 that hurts the most, I guess. I can deal with criticism from somebody that hates my guts or doesn't like me. It's the people that you thought you knew when they start actively going against you, that that one starts to sting a little bit. Well, I look forward to the next time you're in studio. And the next time we get to sit and have a BS session, if it comes virtually, so be it. But it'd be great to have you back in studio. better when we're sitting across from each other. Either way, best of luck on your way out to

Ottawa. And best luck with your fundraiser this weekend. I wish I could attend. I saw that and I'm like, I should be going to that. But it's funny. It's a wedding I can't miss. And so the last time he had his stag was the day you were in town for the last event I had. And I'm like, and I plan that out, you know, three months in advance. And then they put his stag on the same day. I'm like, I can't make it. No, I can't make it. So I'm making this one. Either way, best I wish I was there.

And I know it'll be a fun time. I know people will come out and support. I don't think there will be any lack of support for you on a weekend where it's going to be a fun family event. Either way, best luck with that. And look forward to the next time we sit across from each other. We will. And I'll try and line that kid up to come sit in this seat and have a chat with you while I'm

gone in Ottawa. Yeah, I look forward to that. I'm going to make them come to Lloyd or I'm going to come down there. one of the two, we're going to make sure it's in person. Yeah, for sure. Catch him when he's coming through town with this truck. You're pretty close to the Husky truck stop there for walking distance. Yeah, perfect. All right, sounds good, Chris. Thanks again. Thanks so much, Sean. Take care.

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